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Not killing both of the ST Johns brothers is the wrong choice...

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A majority of players chose to spare Andy ST John after they had previously killed Danny ST John. I think the choice to spare Andy is the wrong choice because there is no reason why he couldn't have escaped,it's not like he was trapped in a room,he was out in the open, plus there are weapons around the farm if he needed any, but another reason i chose not to spare him was because if he survived he will be obviously wanting revenge for the death of his mother and brother and he knows exactly where to go to find you. I know alot of people decided to not kill Andy because they were scared of what Clem would think after seeing her reaction to the death of Danny, but people have to remember that at the end of the day she is still a 8 year old little girl who doesnt always know or understand what is best for whereas Lee is a grown man who needs to do what is best for Clementine whether she agrees or likes what has to be done. Any thoughts?

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  • @Robbingrobin said: Who the fuck is Linda?

    He meant Brenda.

    Linda was one of the bandits in the forest who was killed by Carley or Lilly in ep 3

  • And no one mentions that they are cannibals. I'd kill em over and over no matter who was watching just because of that. If there is even a chance one of them gets away he will still be inclined to dine on his favorite meat, human. I can't live with the thought that there is even a tiny chance that someone else will die because of that. My first playthrough I was so angry about them (maybe because I couldn't hurt them enough) that it did affect my choice with the supplies in the car, I took those supplies - we were starving and there was no way I was even considering coming close to the St.Johns kind of desperation.

    It was a well done scene and I think shows alot about how we think and what we see as being more morally correct.

  • @Saemunder said: And no one mentions that they are cannibals. I'd kill em over and over no matter who was watching just because of that. If there is even a chance one of them gets away he will still be inclined to dine on his favorite meat, human. I can't live with the thought that there is even a tiny chance that someone else will die because of that. My first playthrough I was so angry about them (maybe because I couldn't hurt them enough) that it did affect my choice with the supplies in the car, I took those supplies - we were starving and there was no way I was even considering coming close to the St.Johns kind of desperation.

    It was a well done scene and I think shows alot about how we think and what we see as being more morally correct.

    Yeah that was pretty much my line of thinking aswell.

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    The defeated position he sank down in and the way the camera panned just really didn't look like he was about to get back up and fight the horde. To me, he was clearly grieving because he sensed something had happened to Danny and Brenda through the words of Lee (you could straight up tell him they're dead, but even if you pick the other options, his expression shows that he understands what he meant) and that's why he sank to his knees and called out to Lee to "finish" it, as in shoot him. He saw Lee pick up the shotgun; he's not dumb, if he wanted to live he wouldn't taunt an armed man like that, and even if he only said it because he knew Lee wouldn't kill him, he wouldn't have stayed in such a vulnerable position while witnessing the horde of zombies headed in his direction.

    It's the same argument as whether or not Kenny's dead - no, they did not explicitly show the zombies tearing his insides out, but it doesn't really feel necessary. The overall effect of both Kenny and Andy's last scenes are that they knowingly accepted their deaths, in my opinion. It's much more dramatic and emotional than just showing zombies chewing at their intestines.

  • @Crixus said: But you never see Andy get eaten, he could easily escape and what if he was to save Danny and then they both come for some revenge. They were evil men who for me anyways could not be allowed to live because of the threat they posed not just to me and my group but to any other survivors out there.

    I really just wasn't worried about them by the time it was over. We took their rifles, their mom got zombified, Danny's stuck in a bear trap. I wasn't worried about revenge either because the St. Johns chief weapon was deception. Now that we know who they are they wouldn't be able to get close to the Motor Inn without losing their head.

    I wasn't too worried about other survivors either because I figured the bandits would probably finish the St. Johns off. If they were still dealing with those people they're probably not going to make their payment and if not then Bandits will probably just ransack the place and kill the brothers now that the fence was broken and their was only two slightly less armed people left.

    Mostly I just wanted to go home already. :p

  • @Jaded X Gamer said: I really just wasn't worried about them by the time it was over. We took their rifles, their mom got zombified, Danny's stuck in a bear trap. I wasn't worried about revenge either because the St. Johns chief weapon was deception. Now that we know who they are they wouldn't be able to get close to the Motor Inn without losing their head.

    I wasn't too worried about other survivors either because I figured the bandits would probably finish the St. Johns off. If they were still dealing with those people they're probably not going to make their payment and if not then Bandits will probably just ransack the place and kill the brothers now that the fence was broken and their was only two slightly less armed people left.

    Mostly I just wanted to go home already. :p

    Good point but i'd be scared that they could end up like the stranger, and we both know how badly he screwed the group over

  • @Crixus said: Good point but i'd be scared that they could end up like the stranger, and we both know how badly he screwed the group over

    My cousin actually thought the guy on the radio was Andy St John since he didn't kill him. That'd be a horrible ending. Lee bursts into the Marsh House only to find Andy eating what's left of Clementine. :eek:

  • @Jaded X Gamer said: My cousin actually thought the guy on the radio was Andy St John since he didn't kill him. That'd be a horrible ending. Lee bursts into the Marsh House only to find Andy eating what's left of Clementine. :eek:

    Tell me about it, thats why i had to make sure he was dead by killing him myself! :D

  • I think that killing the brothers-cannibals it's akt of mercy, because its better death, then eating alive by walkers.

  • Danny wasn't getting out of that trap alive. Andy had given up all will to live and accepted his fate, even begging Lee to finish him.

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