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Molly was the one character where Telltale stumbled

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Overall I loved TWD and most of the characters in it. In fact I'd go so far as to say that The Walking Dead is one of the most memorable games I've ever played.

But I think Telltale stumbled a bit with Molly. The great thing about all the other characters in TWD is that they are entirely believable. They seem like real people just caught up in extraordinary circumstances. The one exception to that is Molly.

The ninja acrobatics and the ability to apparently vanish killed immersion a bit. They should have toned that down a bit and made her bad@ssery a bit more grounded in reality. No acrobatics that a real person couldn't pull off, no Houdini disappearing acts, and no using a claw hammer like a superhero grappling hook.

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  • @Kaserkin said: Lee's group and Vernon's make-a-wish invalids survived for over 3 months without being like Molly. She's like the video game version of Michonne, another character I really don't like, along with many of the current comic survivors.

    And, as I and others pointed out, Molly was relatively safe and secure behind the walls of Crawford up until a few days before it fell. Hell, as far as we can tell, Vernon's group actually survived longer outside the walls (apart from the poor folks that probably became part of the barricade by Molly's account) than Molly did... considering the cancer patients evidently lacked the option to trade sexual favors to get favors from Dr. Logan.

    The fact that Crawford was pretty much packed with undead is a pretty big clue they didn't spend much time risking their asses outside of camp. Likewise for the fact that the only living residents we see are those who were forced out of the community.

    @Kaserkin said: What people do you think survive the longest inside the world like the walking dead? :confused:

    As the old saying goes "90% of survival is mental". This has held true pretty much since the dawn of man; being a "badass" doesn't matter anywhere near as much in that regard. For the most part, it's a thinking person's game. Our ancestors didn't survive and climb to the top of the food chain by beating Sabre Toothed Tigers and Mammoths to death with their bare hands.

  • Why wouldn't people that can jump and do stuff like that be most probable to survive? have you seen the street jumping stuff people post on youtube?

  • Just pulled this from where I posted it in another thread based on speculation of the protagonist for Season Two, but I believe it's very relevant here:
    @BlackBoxx said: But that kills the mood the game series is supposed to set. Molly is extremely competent, which makes it hard to believe anything could actually happen to her without the situation being incredibly "gamed up". She wouldn't allow for tension the way Lee did with the encounter with Sandra, or the police officer who was escorting him to Macon.
    Well that's just the thing: That's not true. Although Molly seems fairly capable, and acts like she's the toughest one in the room, she is only used to working alone. She doesn't work with anyone else and that is her greatest weakness, no matter how strong of a fighter she is, she is inexperienced when it comes to interaction with other survivors. Which is why I think having her as the playable character of Season Two would be so interesting, dealing with the isolated state of mind she has placed herself in since her sister's death crumbling as she becomes part of a group. She is also largely undefined excluding her backstory, while she has a bit of a fiery personality, her moral outlook is still largely ambiguous and able to be molded to the player's choices. And I think that given what happens in Episode Five with the horde shambling into Savannah, she probably will leave the city and run into Clementine, Christa, and Omid no matter what. And I believe that her previous interaction with them is a much stronger starting point for a second season than having to be someone entirely new with no experience whatsoever with the characters we've come to know and love from the first season. The fact remains, the players know exactly who these people are, they are going to make choices based upon that. Thusly, Molly's relative familiarity with them would greatly add some connectivity to the series and would in my opinion prevent any chance of The Walking Dead: Season Two: Some Random Person Comes Along Spends About Two Episodes Getting To Know The Characters We Already Know And Gets Into Shenanigans With The Group Alongside New Characters That Our New Character Apparently Knows That We As The Player Don't. I really hope she is the protagonist simply because she's a very interesting character with a defined background (much like Lee was at the beginning of the game) and yet still not one person can with much sense of accuracy say what she's going to do. In this, she has a great potential for player input to define who she is and what she will do when faced with the choices and responsibilities of working with a group and caring about more than just survival. I feel as though up until she meets Lee in Episode Four, Molly has been surviving for the sake of survival, for her sister. And when she sees the few glimpses of humanity in the group, and finds her sister's picture/ultimately gets her "revenge" on Crawford, she really is at a loss as to where she is supposed to go and what she is supposed to do. And I believe she leaves because she is afraid to face that humanity that she previously felt was lost in the world, she is scared of hope because she is afraid that she will lose it, and that is a character conflict that would be very powerful if they use her as a protagonist. I'm really hoping for Molly, but if she isn't I won't be too disappointed, because whatever Telltale decides I am sure it will be a story to remember...
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    BUT PLEASE LET IT BE MOLLY!

    Molly was by far my favorite character, and I actually felt more connected to her emotionally than I was to Lee, even for the short time we see her. She acts so strong and cold, but behind that there's a lot more to her, a lot of pain and a lot of confusion.

  • @onlyamonkey said: Why wouldn't people that can jump and do stuff like that be most probable to survive? have you seen the street jumping stuff people post on youtube?

    See above to the post above yours. In actual survival situations, running and jumping everywhere like Molly does isn't all that conducive to actually staying alive (and it's hardly necessary given how slowly Walkers move). It's actually detrimental since it expends more energy and fluids (which means needing more food and water) when they need to be conserved. The people that do so just open themselves up to dying from pretty much every other cause: dehydration, starvation, injury/infection resulting from one of their stunts, etc. This is especially true in warmer climates like a desert or say, Georgia.

  • I keep seeing references to Michonne being an unbelievable character, and I am so surprised. I don't know if it's because she's a woman, black, or American that everyone finds her so unbelievable. Her back story is that she had a neighbor who collected swords. While she was in college she took fencing (and it's hinted pretty heavily that she was good at it). So when shit hit the fan, she got a sword from the neighbor's house and used it because it was natural and easy for her.
    Would it be more believable that she could use a sword if she was an Asian transfer student from Japan that just happened to bring swords with her/him just in case?

    Having said all that -

    I find Molly to be believable enough. I didn't like her, but it was more a personality thing. But the parkour she does, the "disappearing acts" and whatnot - are all entirely believable. ESPECIALLY when you consider she's been surviving more or less on her own most of the ZA in a highly infested city. If she wasn't good at sneaking quietly and pulling herself out of tight situations (quite literally), I'm pretty sure she'd be dead.
    I even understand her bailing on the group. She didn't strike me as a family/group sort of person. And that's the main reason I don't think her and Clem will be the main focus of season 2. At least not together as a duo or group.
    Molly isn't the mothering type. I think the only reason she would keep Clem around is because Clem would represent the last of her humanity. But I don't think she'd want to change for Clem and I do think that, at her base nature, she'd be inclined to leave Clem behind if it might cause her own death not to.

  • @Desmodus87 said: I keep seeing references to Michonne being an unbelievable character, and I am so surprised. I don't know if it's because she's a woman, black, or American that everyone finds her so unbelievable. Her back story is that she had a neighbor who collected swords. While she was in college she took fencing (and it's hinted pretty heavily that she was good at it). So when shit hit the fan, she got a sword from the neighbor's house and used it because it was natural and easy for her.
    Would it be more believable that she could use a sword if she was an Asian transfer student from Japan that just happened to bring swords with her/him just in case?

    1. Fine. She has a neighbor who collects swords. She's still a fucking LAWYER. Maybe if she was an actor, or a fencing teacher it would be fine. However...
    2. Fencing doesn't teach you how to use katanas. It teaches you to use rapiers and similar weapons. Generally stabbing weapons, not slashing weapons like katanas.

    I personally don't like her because along with the highly improbable skills, she's also a Mary-Sue personality wise. (I haven't read all of the comics, so I'm mostly going off the TV show and what little bits of the comics I've read.)
    1. She was nice enough to pick up Andrea in the middle of the forest, but then she was suspicious of the Governor without any provocation and no reason to think that the Governor was evil.
    2. She figured out to cut off the arms and jaws of her boyfriend and his best friend, and then later killed them with no remorse.
    3. She seduced Tyreese almost instantly. Tyreese gave almost no struggle against her. Which makes no sense considering everything before that.

    And also, don't just start randomly calling people racist because they don't agree with you. That's a surefire way of being identified as an asshole.

  • @LauriNicole said: ^I did find it weird how Kenny never manages to lift Lee off the ground yet a girl could easily.

    Kenny is a lot older than Molly. Plus, she seems to be able to pull herself up easily using the hook. So I assume with more effort, she could pull up Lee.

  • @Toasty said: Kenny is a lot older than Molly. Plus, she seems to be able to pull herself up easily using the hook. So I assume with more effort, she could pull up Lee.

    + He was shot in the chest.

  • Well, okay, here's my stand on this. If you're going to survive in a Zombie Apocolypse, you can't be the fat guy who sits in his basement and plays WoW all day. (Probably not, anyway. Maybe you'll fight them off with that golden Lord of The Rings dagger. Who knows.)

    But really, the fact that she WAS able to do those things, explains COMPLETELY why she was there, and why she was surviving easily. If you're a cripple, I don't expect you to be alive in this world. I think Molly is actually far more believable, due to the fact that she proves she knows how to survive. Someone like Omid or Christa? How are they doing it? I don't really understand.

    Overall, Molly being a badass is why she's alive. So, yeah.

  • @goodguy211 said: Well, okay, here's my stand on this. If you're going to survive in a Zombie Apocolypse, you can't be the fat guy who sits in his basement and plays WoW all day. (Probably not, anyway. Maybe you'll fight them off with that golden Lord of The Rings dagger. Who knows.)

    If it has +20 strength and +20 agility, you will survive anything! :D

    @goodguy211 said:
    But really, the fact that she WAS able to do those things, explains COMPLETELY why she was there, and why she was surviving easily. If you're a cripple, I don't expect you to be alive in this world. I think Molly is actually far more believable, due to the fact that she proves she knows how to survive. Someone like Omid or Christa? How are they doing it? I don't really understand.

    Ok, let's say she can do all the stunts, but what makes her unbelievable is that she can do it consistently without getting hurt. Someone compared her to Jackie Chan earlier in the thread, but Jackie Chan being a professional stunt performer all his life had suffered numerous injuries within the somewhat controlled setting of a movie set and receiving immediate first class medical treatment.

    Heck, I sprained a calf muscle last week on a jog, and I was limping all week with a minor injury.

    Now imagine the stuff Molly does in a dangerous city with no medical services. She's pretty much guaranteed minor injuries at the very least and probably some serious ones like Jackie Chan has suffered. And I am pretty sure anyone with a limp is pretty much a walker happy meal in a ZA.

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