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Not killing both of the ST Johns brothers is the wrong choice...

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A majority of players chose to spare Andy ST John after they had previously killed Danny ST John. I think the choice to spare Andy is the wrong choice because there is no reason why he couldn't have escaped,it's not like he was trapped in a room,he was out in the open, plus there are weapons around the farm if he needed any, but another reason i chose not to spare him was because if he survived he will be obviously wanting revenge for the death of his mother and brother and he knows exactly where to go to find you. I know alot of people decided to not kill Andy because they were scared of what Clem would think after seeing her reaction to the death of Danny, but people have to remember that at the end of the day she is still a 8 year old little girl who doesnt always know or understand what is best for whereas Lee is a grown man who needs to do what is best for Clementine whether she agrees or likes what has to be done. Any thoughts?

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  • It's all down to the journey isn't it? The game isn't so much about how it ends but rather how we feel about what we did, much like real life.

    Maybe killing them is merciful, personally I'd love to watch them get torn to shreds by walkers but I'm satisfied knowing they are dead.

    Koi is right though, they pretty much are defeated. I doubt even if everything went well for them that between the incoming walkers and the bandits they would present much of a threat to anyone anymore.

  • Honestly I thought killing Andy was the only choice! After killing his brother and mother, then telling him they are dead, which he would only guess you did it! Killing him was probably the most humane thing to do in that scenario giving the events surrounding. He knew he was defeated and well after the ass whooping he takes he wanted to die, which is why he asked Lee to "come back and face me like a man" or something of that variation. If you didn't kill Andy it would be the equivalent of Charles Manson making you watch as he slaughters your family then just leaves you alive to tell the story which no one ends up believing.

  • No way Andy survives. He lost his will to live. Not to mention I totally destroyed his face, and no one wants to survive looking like that.

  • I spared both of them in my first(canon) playthrough, and I spared Andy on my second one but killed Danny. I think it would've been best if I killed them both instead of just one .______. It is likely that he could've outrun the walkers and seek for revenge. Doesn't matter, Lee's dead anyways =.=

  • Nah, I had seen enough bloodshed in the meat locker when Kenny killed Larry. I spared Danny. I also spared Andy because he wanted Lee to kill him. Besides, I pushed him to the electric fence. He wouldn't be going anywhere in his condition.

  • @double_u said: When Andy St. John challenged Lee "to fight him like a man" he was basically asking to get killed. He was already badly injured from the initial beating. The whole group was there to back Lee up as well. There was no way he could've beat Lee, and he knew it. It was kinda like a "suicide by cop" scenario. From that scene, I decided that Andy was broken and wanted to die. So, I decided to let the walkers finish him. It was basically two birds with one stone IMHO - walkers still kill Andy while I walk away looking like the better man to my group, especially for Clem. However, if there were no walkers converging on the farm, I would've killed Andy just to be safe and out of retribution.

    The final scene at the diary farm is a really good scene.

    But you don't see the walkers getting in until AFTER you make the choice, at the time when you leave him you have no reason to think he'll die shortly anyway.

  • @Yertos said: But you don't see the walkers getting in until AFTER you make the choice, at the time when you leave him you have no reason to think he'll die shortly anyway.

    Thank you! I have seen way too many people say "the walkers would have gotten him anyway". They don't have psychic powers. They didn't know the walkers would come and get him if they left him.

  • @dustpuffs said: Thank you! I have seen way too many people say "the walkers would have gotten him anyway". They don't have psychic powers. They didn't know the walkers would come and get him if they left him.

    There's no reason not to think they wouldn't. There are a minimum of two gunshots fired, and they're a decent distance apart from each other. That's plenty of time for walkers to arrive. It's also proven that they're already in the vicinity before the fight begins(one walks up to the fence before being taken down with an axe or something by Carley, unsure in Doug's case). On top of that, we already know they can topple the fences if enough of them pile onto it.

    What do you think Andy's immediate goal would be if spared? Charge after Lee and his group of several armed adults, go searching for his zombified mother(i doubt he would be able to kill her upon recognition, at least initially), search for his brother who is in a trap with no release latch(and may already be dead/walker) or quickly get gas to the generators so the walkers don't get in.

    He has the potential to be shot in the ear(?) and either severely beaten or(in my case) electrified on the fence. That would probably put him into a somewhat weakened state, and with walkers already in the area it makes sense that he'd die before he could recover. On top of that he doesn't see Danny or Brenda, only what Lee says(They're dead/They're not coming). He would probably look for them to try to save them, and likely be killed by them.

  • Well, I reasoned like this:
    When I had to decide what to do with Danny, I offed him right away. He was still a threat in a beartrap, he could have shouted and warned his brother, gotten loose and found a gun etc. He was a threat. I neutralized that threat.

    When I had to decide what to do with Andy, he wasn't a threat anymore. He was defenseless. I decided that I don't do senseless murders. It's not like a walker more or less will make any impact on everyday life. What will make an impact on everyday life is the whole group watching me killing someone where it's not required.

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    I usually start to walk away after beating him to a pulp, then turn back and spartan kick him into the fence. Feels good, man.

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