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Play as Lily in the upcoming interquel?

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Telltale stated that they would release something to help tide us over until season 2 is released. If that something is a game, then I think Lily should be the main character.

Like her or hate her, Lily was a pretty interesting character with both assets and flaws to her personality, which make her complex, which make her easy to relate to. Even if you hated her actions, we all can understand where she was coming from when she did it. it would be a true shame for Telltale to let this character fall to the wayside when her story is practically begging to be told.

The interquel could began where Lily's story ended in season 1. This could lead to her being one of the two characters Clementine see's in the distance at the end of season 1.

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  • @CarScar said: I really dislike that argument, that hating someone who killed an innocent person over an insult is not justified. I'm sorry but if anything Lilly deserves more hate. At least Kenny killed Larry for a good cause, Lilly killed Carley because she was defending a kid that's nearly pissed his pants from fear.

    And don't even say losing Larry justifies what she did. It's a zombie apocalypse, keeping your shit together is necessary. Especially if said person wants to play leader.



    Honestly, that has a lot more to do with me hating Lilly than anything else. Her murdering someone in cold blood was just the zenith of her godawful tenure as "leader". I didn't really notice it until episode three, but crazy or not, Lilly was a horrid excuse for a leader. And I'm not talking about her shooting Doug/Carley, just wanting to stay at the Motor Inn seemed crazy to me.

    All her talk about "protecting everyone" are just bald-faced lies, it's especially obvious when she says it after murdering someone. She couldn't deal with change, ever, and never took responsibility for anything, but complained about how hard it was to be in charge. She was a fucking coward who used her role as "leader" to justify sending other people to take all the risks she was afraid to take. Anyone ever take a tally of how many walkers Lilly kills on-screen? It's zero. Probably because most of the game she's hold up somewhere relatively safe while other people take all the risks.

    Right from the beginning her plan seemed to be stay in the pharmacy until it magically opens and gives her pills for her precious daddy. She bitches up a storm when Carley and Glenn save five people, saying it was an unnecessary risk, then immediately begs the same people she was just fine with leaving to die to go take an unnecessary risk to find the pharmacy keys to save the sickly older man that wanted to kill Kenny's son without even bothering to see if there was a reason for it.

    After that, Kenny takes charges, has Doug and Carley stand watch and assures Lilly they'll find a way to save the same man who wanted to kill Duck. Glenn elects to go out and find enough gas to get everyone out of Macon, Lee gives him a radio, Lilly shoots Carley... a dirty look for offhandedly referring to Kenny as "boss".


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    After that she proceeds to do jack shit until Lee gets the keys for the pharmacy. Then, because it's so important to get pills right now for the asshole with a heart condition who insists on yelling at the top of his lungs about things that don't matter, the pharmacy alarms goes off and causes a flood of dead to attack. So while Kenny is hastily working out a battle plan, Lilly whines about her dad and isn't seen again until after this is over, even though another able bodied adult would have been really useful for defending the drug store. So in a sense I blame her for killing Carley AND Doug.

    She's no better in the following episodes. She treats people as tools. Her first response to Kenny, Lee and Mark returning, the people who are actually out risking their lives trying to solve the food problem, is to yell her ass off about bringing people back. Doesn't ask if they're okay or what happened, just complains about more mouths to feed. (Who the fuck said we were going to feed them?) Then she tells Mark, one of the three people who risks his life to hunt for food while she sits on her ass safe and sound, that the only reason he's there is he had food, like she was going to kick him out now that the food was gone.

    Lilly blasts Kenny for wanting to leave the Motor Inn (ignoring the fact it was Kenny's idea to stay there in the first place) but has zero ideas on how to solve the food problem. Just that we'll "find some". (WHERE?!) She says what they have now is working, but won't shut up about there not being enough food. Does she even listen to herself? And she says the R.V. Kenny was trying to fix was a waste of time. Yeah, a working vehicle big enough to carry the whole group. COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME! Why? Because using it means Queen Lilly would have to leave the safety of her throne and put herself at risk in some way. Heavens forbid! :eek:

    Lilly's Immediate Safety > Her Father's Safety >>>>>>>> Everything Else In The World. She only goes to the St. Johns because she thought it was safer than the Motor Inn and immediately wanted to leave when she saw Mark hurt because it means she could get her hurt. Of course leaving the St. Johns was one of her only good ideas but since dear ol'daddy didn't want to offend the Georgia Chainsaw Massacre family, she completely folds and refuses to ever bring it up again. If she disagreed with daddy, he might not love her as much! Best not assert herself in the meat locker either when the elderly man with the heart condition is screaming his ass off and pounding on a door with all his might. Just tell him to "please" stop. What's the worse that can happen?


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    Whoops, well there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent that I guess. Not like there was a family member present who could have talked Larry down if said family member had ever said anything in a tone greater than a stern suggestion. It’s not like Lilly knew Larry could give himself a heart attack if he didn’t shut up. It’s not like she had seen that EXACT SAME THING happen before in the previous episode. And it certainly isn’t easy to stand up to people who imitate you and tell them off. You’d need balls of steel to do something like that…


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    Oh fuck you Lilly, you pitiful worm. If the fucking spineless band geek can work up the nerve to tell off Kenny, the guy whose family he got killed, then why couldn’t you man up long enough to tell your old man to shut the fuck up and sit down? Especially to save his own life? Whatever, even if you “side” with her she lags behind and let’s Lee take all the risks. Even after she takes a damn rifle she refuses to leave the barn until the St. Johns are mostly dealt with. Fucking Doug takes a greater risk armed with nothing but a damn laser pointer, probably because he actually cares about people. Lilly probably figured she could just let everyone kill each other and shoot any St. Johns that survive when they head back to the barn.

    Her cowardice finally peaks in episode three. She puts Ben on watch, probably because there’s now people shooting back at the group and Lilly going on watch means she might actually get hurt now. She insists on staying at the motor inn despite the fact it’s falling apart, under siege by murderous bandits and whose only supplies are coming from a distant pharmacy that is now, more or less, completely empty and requires Lee and Kenny having to risk getting eaten a few dozen times per trip to even reach.

    But hey, Lilly’s fine in her room! Why leave? She even keeps that sniper rifle Lee hands her. After all, it’s more important she’s armed then someone who’d actually risk going outside long enough to defend the motor-inn. And Kenny’s just making shit up to annoy her. It’s not like he’s pointing out the shit ton of problems that staying at the Motor-Inn presents. Doesn’t she deserve a week of peace after all her hard work, a week she’d presumably spend masturbating to tear stained pictures of her father?

    Seriously, Lilly was a shitty person from the start. Her murdering Doug or Carley is just the cherry on top. And if you’re dumb enough to let her back in the R.V. (Like I was on my first playthrough) she gives you a final fuck you by stealing the R.V., even if you’ve bent over backwards for her and her dumb ass father.

    And it had nothing to do with her originally be slated to be a character from the comic. Telltale could have easily contrived things where you could talk Lilly down from stealing the R.V. if you had sided with her. Then when Kenny got the train working he’d probably elect to leave Lilly behind with the R.V. since he couldn’t take it with him and things would have worked out the same continuity wise. But they didn’t do that, because that’s not the kind of person Lilly was. She was the kind of selfish bitch who’d let people commit bloody murder, just so long it didn’t threaten her safety. Any wonder she was suppose to wind up in Woodbury eventually?

    @CarScar said: None of the characters in the Walking Dead that we dealt with were entirely irredeemable. It's part of the reason why it was such a good story.

    I'm pretty sure the St. Johns were irredeemable. The bandits, least the ones we saw the most of, were likely written to be irredeemable. And from a gameplay perspective, Lilly was irredeemable. Nothing you say or do can convince her to be a better person. And as I just suggested, there was certainly a way it could have been done that wouldn't have disrupted the comic's canon or radically changed her character. But they didn't do that, because she was written as an antagonist.

    You can argue she was a tragic villain, almost Shakespearean in a sense. Or you can say they did a great job showing her descent into darkness. I'd fully agree she's a well written character and that her presence in the game made the story much more interesting. But at the end of the day she's a villain in my book, a very interesting one that adds a lot of weight to narrative, but ultimately still a villain. And like a lot of well written villains, I can appreciate the depth of their character, while still hating their guts. :p

  • @Mornai said: It seems even more likely that she didn't care about the supplies by this little line of hers: "You can tell me it was Carley, and everything will be right as rain." Does this mean she was willing to forgive Ben even if she suspected him if he agreed to accuse Carley? It seems like she didn't really care who was the true culprit, as long as someone took the blame, and whoever did that would receive the bullet.



    And that really pissed me off.

  • @Jaded X Gamer said:


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    And his epitaph would be.....

    Ben finally grew a pair.... and then died. L.O.L.

  • Alright, we've got extreme hatred for Lilly, Larry, Omid, Christa & Kenny. Halfway there, folks! :p

  • @Jaded X Gamer said: Honestly, that has a lot more to do with me hating Lilly than anything else. Her murdering someone in cold blood was just the zenith of her godawful tenure as "leader". I didn't really notice it until episode three, but crazy or not, Lilly was a horrid excuse for a leader. And I'm not talking about her shooting Doug/Carley, just wanting to stay at the Motor Inn seemed crazy to me.

    All her talk about "protecting everyone" are just bald-faced lies, it's especially obvious when she says it after murdering someone. She couldn't deal with change, ever, and never took responsibility for anything, but complained about how hard it was to be in charge. She was a fucking coward who used her role as "leader" to justify sending other people to take all the risks she was afraid to take. Anyone ever take a tally of how many walkers Lilly kills on-screen? It's zero. Probably because most of the game she's hold up somewhere relatively safe while other people take all the risks.

    Right from the beginning her plan seemed to be stay in the pharmacy until it magically opens and gives her pills for her precious daddy. She bitches up a storm when Carley and Glenn save five people, saying it was an unnecessary risk, then immediately begs the same people she was just fine with leaving to die to go take an unnecessary risk to find the pharmacy keys to save the sickly older man that wanted to kill Kenny's son without even bothering to see if there was a reason for it.

    After that, Kenny takes charges, has Doug and Carley stand watch and assures Lilly they'll find a way to save the same man who wanted to kill Duck. Glenn elects to go out and find enough gas to get everyone out of Macon, Lee gives him a radio, Lilly shoots Carley... a dirty look for offhandedly referring to Kenny as "boss".


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    After that she proceeds to do jack shit until Lee gets the keys for the pharmacy. Then, because it's so important to get pills right now for the asshole with a heart condition who insists on yelling at the top of his lungs about things that don't matter, the pharmacy alarms goes off and causes a flood of dead to attack. So while Kenny is hastily working out a battle plan, Lilly whines about her dad and isn't seen again until after this is over, even though another able bodied adult would have been really useful for defending the drug store. So in a sense I blame her for killing Carley AND Doug.

    She's no better in the following episodes. She treats people as tools. Her first response to Kenny, Lee and Mark returning, the people who are actually out risking their lives trying to solve the food problem, is to yell her ass off about bringing people back. Doesn't ask if they're okay or what happened, just complains about more mouths to feed. (Who the fuck said we were going to feed them?) Then she tells Mark, one of the three people who risks his life to hunt for food while she sits on her ass safe and sound, that the only reason he's there is he had food, like she was going to kick him out now that the food was gone.

    Lilly blasts Kenny for wanting to leave the Motor Inn (ignoring the fact it was Kenny's idea to stay there in the first place) but has zero ideas on how to solve the food problem. Just that we'll "find some". (WHERE?!) She says what they have now is working, but won't shut up about there not being enough food. Does she even listen to herself? And she says the R.V. Kenny was trying to fix was a waste of time. Yeah, a working vehicle big enough to carry the whole group. COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME! Why? Because using it means Queen Lilly would have to leave the safety of her throne and put herself at risk in some way. Heavens forbid! :eek:

    Lilly's Immediate Safety > Her Father's Safety >>>>>>>> Everything Else In The World. She only goes to the St. Johns because she thought it was safer than the Motor Inn and immediately wanted to leave when she saw Mark hurt because it means she could get her hurt. Of course leaving the St. Johns was one of her only good ideas but since dear ol'daddy didn't want to offend the Georgia Chainsaw Massacre family, she completely folds and refuses to ever bring it up again. If she disagreed with daddy, he might not love her as much! Best not assert herself in the meat locker either when the elderly man with the heart condition is screaming his ass off and pounding on a door with all his might. Just tell him to "please" stop. What's the worse that can happen?


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    Whoops, well there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent that I guess. Not like there was a family member present who could have talked Larry down if said family member had ever said anything in a tone greater than a stern suggestion. It’s not like Lilly knew Larry could give himself a heart attack if he didn’t shut up. It’s not like she had seen that EXACT SAME THING happen before in the previous episode. And it certainly isn’t easy to stand up to people who imitate you and tell them off. You’d need balls of steel to do something like that…


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    Oh fuck you Lilly, you pitiful worm. If the fucking spineless band geek can work up the nerve to tell off Kenny, the guy whose family he got killed, then why couldn’t you man up long enough to tell your old man to shut the fuck up and sit down? Especially to save his own life? Whatever, even if you “side” with her she lags behind and let’s Lee take all the risks. Even after she takes a damn rifle she refuses to leave the barn until the St. Johns are mostly dealt with. Fucking Doug takes a greater risk armed with nothing but a damn laser pointer, probably because he actually cares about people. Lilly probably figured she could just let everyone kill each other and shoot any St. Johns that survive when they head back to the barn.

    Her cowardice finally peaks in episode three. She puts Ben on watch, probably because there’s now people shooting back at the group and Lilly going on watch means she might actually get hurt now. She insists on staying at the motor inn despite the fact it’s falling apart, under siege by murderous bandits and whose only supplies are coming from a distant pharmacy that is now, more or less, completely empty and requires Lee and Kenny having to risk getting eaten a few dozen times per trip to even reach.

    But hey, Lilly’s fine in her room! Why leave? She even keeps that sniper rifle Lee hands her. After all, it’s more important she’s armed then someone who’d actually risk going outside long enough to defend the motor-inn. And Kenny’s just making shit up to annoy her. It’s not like he’s pointing out the shit ton of problems that staying at the Motor-Inn presents. Doesn’t she deserve a week of peace after all her hard work, a week she’d presumably spend masturbating to tear stained pictures of her father?

    Seriously, Lilly was a shitty person from the start. Her murdering Doug or Carley is just the cherry on top. And if you’re dumb enough to let her back in the R.V. (Like I was on my first playthrough) she gives you a final fuck you by stealing the R.V., even if you’ve bent over backwards for her and her dumb ass father.

    And it had nothing to do with her originally be slated to be a character from the comic. Telltale could have easily contrived things where you could talk Lilly down from stealing the R.V. if you had sided with her. Then when Kenny got the train working he’d probably elect to leave Lilly behind with the R.V. since he couldn’t take it with him and things would have worked out the same continuity wise. But they didn’t do that, because that’s not the kind of person Lilly was. She was the kind of selfish bitch who’d let people commit bloody murder, just so long it didn’t threaten her safety. Any wonder she was suppose to wind up in Woodbury eventually?



    I'm pretty sure the St. Johns were irredeemable. The bandits, least the ones we saw the most of, were likely written to be irredeemable. And from a gameplay perspective, Lilly was irredeemable. Nothing you say or do can convince her to be a better person. And as I just suggested, there was certainly a way it could have been done that wouldn't have disrupted the comic's canon or radically changed her character. But they didn't do that, because she was written as an antagonist.

    You can argue she was a tragic villain, almost Shakespearean in a sense. Or you can say they did a great job showing her descent into darkness. I'd fully agree she's a well written character and that her presence in the game made the story much more interesting. But at the end of the day she's a villain in my book, a very interesting one that adds a lot of weight to narrative, but ultimately still a villain. And like a lot of well written villains, I can appreciate the depth of their character, while still hating their guts. :p



    THANK YOU! And I doubt that's even all of it, considering you missed how like Mornai says, went against Carley and bribed Ben that everything would be okay if he admitted she was guilty. Also that she complains about you arguing with her father when he can't shut the hell up, and constantly threatens everyone he comes into contact with. Also, she gives you a 'pissed off' look for signaling her to stay away while talking to Glenn. Also, when she sits there with a rifle in her hands that easily could have come in handy to kill Andy and/or St. John, and will fucking sit there and watch you struggling with Andy. No matter what you decide, she'll flip out on you like a bitch. I agree she is a coward, and even shoots Carley when HER BACK WAS TURNED! I understand how those who kiss up to her don't mind her too much, but Jesus Christ I can't see how people defend her in general.

    Jaded, I completely agree with you, and I'm glad you wrote all this, because maybe some people will understand why Lilly is such a disliked person. I'm sure they'll find excuses though.

    One more thing: Larry who was unable to walk comes back and punches you in the face? Where was Lilly guys? "I have to get my dad out of here!" Well... he's fine now... why aren't you helping? One more hand inside the store could have saved a life. Two hands would have been even better. Lilly haters :P

  • @Mornai said: Alright, we've got extreme hatred for Lilly, Larry, Omid, Christa & Kenny. Halfway there, folks! :p



    What'd Omid and Christa do? I thought they were decent. And Kenny's my bro... :/

  • @DreadMagus said: And his epitaph would be.....

    Ben finally grew a pair.... and then died. L.O.L.



    I always preferred a perversion of that famous line from the Grinch Who Stole Christmas.

    "And it was said that Ben's balls grew three sizes that day!"

    But I draw the line at seeing a graphic of an X-Ray machine displaying that. :p

  • @Jaded X Gamer said: Honestly, that has a lot more to do with me hating Lilly than anything else. Her murdering someone in cold blood was just the zenith of her godawful tenure as "leader". I didn't really notice it until episode three, but crazy or not, Lilly was a horrid excuse for a leader. And I'm not talking about her shooting Doug/Carley, just wanting to stay at the Motor Inn seemed crazy to me.

    .......snip..........snip........snip.......snippity-snip-snip....................

    You can argue she was a tragic villain, almost Shakespearean in a sense. Or you can say they did a great job showing her descent into darkness. I'd fully agree she's a well written character and that her presence in the game made the story much more interesting. But at the end of the day she's a villain in my book, a very interesting one that adds a lot of weight to narrative, but ultimately still a villain. And like a lot of well written villains, I can appreciate the depth of their character, while still hating their guts. :p



    Mmmmmm... That's some mighty fine jade gold right there. 56785 karat. 100% pure. Perfectly shaped to look like the face of one Lilly Caul with a fist indentation squarely on the nose. No other beauty exists in the world. You are a fine craftsman, my friend.

  • @Jaded X Gamer said:
    Lilly blasts Kenny for wanting to leave the Motor Inn (ignoring the fact it was Kenny's idea to stay there in the first place) but has zero ideas on how to solve the food problem. Just that we'll "find some". (WHERE?!) She says what they have now is working, but won't shut up about there not being enough food. Does she even listen to herself?


    This is valid for the most part.

    I'm pretty sure the St. Johns were irredeemable. The bandits, least the ones we saw the most of, were likely written to be irredeemable. And from a gameplay perspective, Lilly was irredeemable. Nothing you say or do can convince her to be a better person. And as I just suggested, there was certainly a way it could have been done that wouldn't have disrupted the comic's canon or radically changed her character. But they didn't do that, because she was written as an antagonist.
    Good points. I had forgotten about the St. Johns. I still don't think Lilly is irredeemable but your right she certainly isn't redeemable from a gameplay point of view, at least this season.

    You can argue she was a tragic villain, almost Shakespearean in a sense. Or you can say they did a great job showing her descent into darkness. I'd fully agree she's a well written character and that her presence in the game made the story much more interesting. But at the end of the day she's a villain in my book, a very interesting one that adds a lot of weight to narrative, but ultimately still a villain. And like a lot of well written villains, I can appreciate the depth of their character, while still hating their guts. :p
    Sure she was a great character. I do see why you view her as a villain but I don't think it's a fair assumption. In the same way that I don't think it's fair to view Kenny as a villain. Both characters were designed to test you and potentially push you into making choices that weren't ethical. Again most interesting scenario for me would be that it's somehow Lilly and Kenny on that hill. I know a lot of people think that's too unrealistic but at this point putting those characters back together again now that they've both lost everything, when a bit of time has past is the most interesting way to start off season 2.

  • @Mark$man said: What'd Omid and Christa do? I thought they were decent. And Kenny's my bro... :/



    I don't know, but GREYxDUZxKRUSH really hates them. I liked Kenny too, but I've seen people who were really pissed at him at times.

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