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We know that some characters have some level of plot armour as we play the game, but in real life, anything can happen. In life, there aren't any Season Twos to continue a character.

So, if you were Lee and knowing that Clementine will be without a protector after you're gone, which is just a few minutes away, would you do what the couple did in the mansion - putting a bullet in Clementine's head before putting one in your own?

I know it's disturbing to even think about doing that to a child, but the odds of Clem surviving are really low, unless she finds another protector like yourself, in a city of Walkers, with Vernon already out at sea, and Christa and Omid nowhere to be found.

Even assuming that you know that the Walker scent on her will offer her "invisibility" till she gets out of the city, any number of cruel things could happen to a little 9-year-old girl without a protector. She's still not ready to fend for herself yet, as she only just got rescued after being tricked into trusting Campman. She's really still just a naive little girl. Will you, out of compassion, end her life quickly and painlessly there and then?

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  • @Mark$man said: Either way, I'd want as much time with her as I could have. And I'm sure she'd like the same. (...) If I could remove the bite, I'd do it, even though I'd feel bad for removing one of her cute little arms. I'd feel bad, but it's always better than death(unless the walkers get you).

    To those statements I fully agree.

    That's the cruel thing about apocalypses, "right" and "wrong" are terms of no real meaning any more, they are replaced by "pragmatism" "optimism" and "pessimism" I try to see everything from the bright side, so I guess I would not shoot her until she really stopped breathing, we can't give up hope, because without hope... what's left in such a world? Seeing everything from the dark side won't help anything, in the end - pain or not - removing the bite is the way to go, and waiting to the very end is better than ending it too fast.
    Whether she suffers or not, when she is dead in the end, that doesn't matter any more, then it is over once and for all, and hopefully that little angel can find the peace she deserves. I'd probably get to someplace safe with her, and have a long talk, try to cheer her up and... stuff... and when everything is over, I'd make sure she wouldn't turn. But I'm still not 100% sure... only 99%

    Not a nice thing to talk or think about, I just hope it never comes to that in S2... or it will be a veeery long night.

  • @Mikejames said: So it's not a question of mercy, it's cold pragmatism?

    Ben says "Don't let them get me." You have less than a few bullets left, and there was no bloody way he was getting out of there without dying from blood loss. So you're either shooting him, or leaving him for walkers, that's the gist of it.

    I doubt that everyone who's ever burned to death just wasn't smart enough start rolling, but alright. Hopefully you have a hose on-hand, and the medical prowess to treat fourth-degree burns.

    And I'm sure Ben would take comfort in you keeping your hands clean at the potential ramification of being left in an alley to be torn apart.

    Even if those are the only options for Ben, it's clear right up to his death that killing him is not something going through his head. At most I'd give him the gun and take off, and he'll decide his own fate. With Irene, it's not my gun so it's not my decision, plain and simple. The fire situation is far too circumstantial and my reaction cannot be decided beforehand. Too many variables.

  • @zev_zev said: I will tell terrible thing, but I agree with you. This is the best way to relieve Clem from suffering, if she would be bitten.
    We have a proverb in our country: " Long goodbye - it's more tears".

    Attempts to explain to her that it will necessary, and the last goodbye, will bring her more pain, the heartache.

    But how the PC (me) will live after that?

    Not only that, but just the concept of living. Why erase her from the Earth yourself? Do you not understand the amount of power you just used? Whether one believes in gods or not; I feel one thing is certain: Death is death. The moment you pull the trigger will be her last moment. Could you deal with that? And the fact that you didn't say goodbye? Yes, it would be a very sad moment, but I think you would live happier knowing she spent her last moments with you.

    Would Clem be suffering? I think she'd feel much worse if she knew someone she loved ended her without her approval or recognition of the event, or even so much as a goodbye. I know I'd feel like shit if she could see me from the beyond. You don't just end it because it is hard, you end it when you must, when there is no other way. When she dies/and or turns, then end her life. But if she had been bitten and there was nothing I could do, I would let her last moments, her final memory, be of me taking care of her and spending time with her, being there for her until her time came. I think that would say a greater "I love you" that anything, the fact that you hold out with her knowing that she will make it. I feel that shooting her while her back was turned would make me feel like a coward and a sorry excuse for a guardian/parent. That I had killed her because I felt I wouldn't be able to handle her passing, or that she should be "put down" to keep her from pain of knowing she would die. If I chose the easy way out for her, just what would that bring? Nothing good, I'd presume. I just don't think it'd be right, for me or her.

  • @ZeroShoot said: To those statements I fully agree.

    That's the cruel thing about apocalypses, "right" and "wrong" are terms of no real meaning any more, they are replaced by "pragmatism" "optimism" and "pessimism" I try to see everything from the bright side, so I guess I would not shoot her until she really stopped breathing, we can't give up hope, because without hope... what's left in such a world? Seeing everything from the dark side won't help anything, in the end - pain or not - removing the bite is the way to go, and waiting to the very end is better than ending it too fast.
    Whether she suffers or not, when she is dead in the end, that doesn't matter any more, then it is over once and for all, and hopefully that little angel can find the peace she deserves. I'd probably get to someplace safe with her, and have a long talk, try to cheer her up and... stuff... and when everything is over, I'd make sure she wouldn't turn. But I'm still not 100% sure... only 99%

    Not a nice thing to talk or think about, I just hope it never comes to that in S2... or it will be a veeery long night.

    I agree. I am not a drinker, nor would I ever see myself as one, but that? Oye... hand me the bottle. I'll show you how fast I can chug :/

  • Hey, why all become so sad? She is alive, all is well, the second season will be in the autumn, she won't die, she will be fine, or we will boycott the Telltale =)

  • @double_u said: I can only speak for myself, but I didn't put Irene out of her misery because she was a stranger and appeared mentally unstable, all of which made her unpredictable. How do I know she won't decide, "Well, world's gone to shit. Might as well help everyone around me opt out too before I blow my own brains out!"


    Fair enough. I contemplated whether she would have any other reason to take the gun, but personally thought that she seemed sincere. Possibly because she only wanted to stay away from us and die alone at first greeting.

    @double_u said: Even if those are the only options for Ben, it's clear right up to his death that killing him is not something going through his head. At most I'd give him the gun and take off, and he'll decide his own fate. With Irene, it's not my gun so it's not my decision, plain and simple.


    Wait, you're defense is that Ben wasn't really thinking about it rationally, so it's best to give up one of the last guns, leave it on his chest, and book it.

    Die horribly or die quickly a bit sooner, there's no real choice to make there. Considering that the decision shouldn't be based on prioritizing your own complacency, all you'd be doing is forcing his last moments to be a panic of trying to muster up the willpower to pull the trigger.

  • @passerby said: We know that some characters have some level of plot armour as we play the game, but in real life, anything can happen. In life, there aren't any Season Twos to continue a character.

    So, if you were Lee and knowing that Clementine will be without a protector after you're gone, which is just a few minutes away, would you do what the couple did in the mansion - putting a bullet in Clementine's head before putting one in your own?

    I know it's disturbing to even think about doing that to a child, but the odds of Clem surviving are really low, unless she finds another protector like yourself, in a city of Walkers, with Vernon already out at sea, and Christa and Omid nowhere to be found.

    Even assuming that you know that the Walker scent on her will offer her "invisibility" till she gets out of the city, any number of cruel things could happen to a little 9-year-old girl without a protector. She's still not ready to fend for herself yet, as she only just got rescued after being tricked into trusting Campman. She's really still just a naive little girl. Will you, out of compassion, end her life quickly and painlessly there and then?

    Something that Charles said.."she's not a little girl...she's a living person". My only regret is that I can no longer be her partner but will always be her protector. Clem is armed, trained and smart. She will be fine.

  • @Mikejames said: Die horribly or die quickly a bit sooner, there's no real choice to make there. Considering that the decision shouldn't be based on prioritizing your own complacency, all you'd be doing is forcing his last moments to be a panic of trying to muster up the willpower to pull the trigger.

    I'd be very similar to Ben as a whole in a zombie apocalypse. He can't even muster the courage to cut off Lee's arm, and i wouldn't be able to either. So the options are:

    1. Ben dies with a chance to end it himself, or

    2. We both die as i hesitate the pull the trigger.

    I wouldn't be proud of it, but i would have to choose the former.

  • @zev_zev said: I will tell terrible thing, but I agree with you. This is the best way to relieve Clem from suffering, if she would be bitten.
    We have a proverb in our country: " Long goodbye - it's more tears".

    Attempts to explain to her that it will necessary, and the last goodbye, will bring her more pain, the heartache.

    But how the PC (me) will live after that?

    Not a happy thought but it is best for all. Most of all Clem. I could not let my sweet pea suffer. :(

  • Everyone says wait to the last moment....Doesn't anyone remember Kat/Duck? The last moments are not always so loving and tender.

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