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TWD S3 Episode 16 "Welcome to the tombs" Discussion

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I thought this episode was not as good as it could have been,but what are your thoughts?

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    I agree. It was quite anti-climatical.

    It feels as if the writers wanted Andrea's death to be the climax, but I really didn't click with it emotionally. Yeah, yeah. I didn't like Andrea, but I never really liked Merle either and his death was done really well. Andrea just felt so out of place all season that her death had, as I watched it, so little impact. Michonne's crying, however, was pretty well done.

    I wanted an epic showdown at the prison, and there wasn't one.

    The Governor also felt out of character, even for the TV series. The Governor is a calculating man. Shooting a few of his troops to bring them in line makes sense...massacring all of them doesn't. Not even for him.

    And here's another thing, how the hell did Rick make it to Woodbury before the Governor? Rick had to stop, pick up Karen, share their bloody life stories, then head Woodbury, do their thing with Andrea, while Karen was, presumably, explaining and rounding up everyone else on the bus. Where the hell was the Governor? Did he take the scenic route with Martinez? Either way, they are really stretching the Governor storyline. I was really hoping they would be back on the road after the battle.

    AMC has been promising that the finale would be super shocking, and it was really hyped up. After I watched it, I was meh. And for the record, I'm not a purist who expects the show to conform exactly to the comic. I just didn't feel the finale was well done.

    TBH, I've always felt that the show's writing has been rather inconsistent, and the finale shows this.

  • I agree wholeheartedly! It was really not up to "season finale" standards.

    I also agree with pretty much everything Double U said lol. Andrea's death scene was so dragged out! They spent the whole season making her a dumb ass, then killed her. She was given no redemption and she didn't go out in flames due to her own screw ups. I felt it was a complete let down. Kind of like the TV equivalent of blue-balling, I guess? lol

    I think that the Governor must've bailed. I was so disappointed when Rick and the group arrived back at the prison and the Governor wasn't there, gearing up to kill everyone. I was so sure he'd be circling back to the prison, killing those who were left there, and waiting for the rest to return. No such luck. Maybe in S4?

    I'm not surprised to hear that people are disappointed. My family (who haven't read the comics) are about the only ones I know that really enjoyed this season and were surprised about anything. Thus far, there has only been one thing that surprised me, which was the (SPOILER ALERT D=) really kind of pointless sex scene between Glen and Maggie. I was so sure that it was there to let Merle slip out, but nope. It was just there for the viewers' pleasure! lmao xD

  • Yeah, that's a good point Desmodus. I wonder how people who didn't know what happened in the comics would take it. But still, I just didn't think it was well done regardless. I understand AMC wants to do their own thing (and I totally agree with that), but I just don't think the season finale was executed well. It felt more like a regular episode TBH, not, like you said, up to finale standards.

    I will say I am pleasantly surprised that Hershel is alive. I like Scott Wilson's version of Hershel.

    :spoil-o: (For Comics, kinda):

    @Desmodus87 said: Thus far, there has only been one thing that surprised me, which was the (SPOILER ALERT D=) really kind of pointless sex scene between Glen and Maggie. I was so sure that it was there to let Merle slip out, but nope. It was just there for the viewers' pleasure! lmao xD

    I am willing to bet that's the set up for Maggie to get pregnant, which makes me think Glenn will get killed off next season. Or Maggie.

  • SPOILERS AHEAD FOR COMICS AND SHOW!



    I've been scared of that happening dude! I don't want either of them to die. When (insert name here ;) ) died in the comics, I was so pissed. I hope he makes it awhile longer.

    The season finale, just as much as the whole season, was poorly executed and not well written. So many holes that if you didn't read the comics you wouldn't understand or just times where it was so stupid, i.e. Andrea.

    I don't like show Hershel too much, I like his personality, but he needs to get some balls(so to speak). I just mean he needs to speak up more, he should be taking up for Rick when he needs a co-leader, for at this point there isn't much Hershel can do. Comic Hershel was pretty badass though, and it was a shame how he went out. Disappointment :/

  • @Mark$man said: SPOILERS AHEAD FOR COMICS AND SHOW!

    I've been scared of that happening dude! I don't want either of them to die. When (insert name here ;) ) died in the comics, I was so pissed. I hope he makes it awhile longer.

    The season finale, just as much as the whole season, was poorly executed and not well written. So many holes that if you didn't read the comics you wouldn't understand or just times where it was so stupid, i.e. Andrea.

    I don't like show Hershel too much, I like his personality, but he needs to get some balls(so to speak). I just mean he needs to speak up more, he should be taking up for Rick when he needs a co-leader, for at this point there isn't much Hershel can do. Comic Hershel was pretty badass though, and it was a shame how he went out. Disappointment :/

    Hershel mowing down a herd with his infinite ammo shotgun in "Beside the Dying Fire" wasn't badass enough?

  • I waned an epic showdown at the prison, but we didn't get that. I had pretty much no feels during this episode. The last one, with Merle's last stand, was done very well. This just didn't feel too much like a season finale. And I was very disappointed when The Governor channeled his inner Lilly during the scene on the road. He screwed up a good thing he had going (Woodbury) by slaughtering all of his people. Also, Carl is a psychopath. Yikes.

    Things I did like? Tyreese joined the prison group now. It's about time Coach became a part of Rick's group after so long in Woodbury.

  • So..What a let down. This is what I get for hoping that the prison assault would be like the comics. Oh well.

    Anyways, Andrea is dead. I hoped that she would make it pass the season and have more of a relationship with Michonne and the rest of the group.

    And then we have Tyreese and a whole new crew of people joining the prison. I'm betting that Karen is comic Jessie and will have a relationship with Rick.

    I'm curious where the Governor storyline is going. He just wiped out nearly his whole town, so it's pretty safe to say that he will not be coming after the prison with a ton of survivors. Unless he somehow meets the Hunters or Randall's group and forms an alliance with them.

    And I thought we'd never see comic Carl so soon. Carl's development in the tv show was very rapid. We got to see the full brunt of his character in the finale.

    And so...I have no idea where season 4 is going to go. I was hoping for Alexandria, but I don't think so.

  • @Rock114 said: I waned an epic showdown at the prison, but we didn't get that. I had pretty much no feels during this episode. The last one, with Merle's last stand, was done very well. This just didn't feel too much like a season finale. And I was very disappointed when The Governor channeled his inner Lilly during the scene on the road. He screwed up a good thing he had going (Woodbury) by slaughtering all of his people. Also, Carl is a psychopath. Yikes.

    Things I did like? Tyreese joined the prison group now. It's about time Coach became a part of Rick's group after so long in Woodbury.

    I didn't care about an epic showdown. I don't want a hollywood action movie... I just want the governor to be dead already. His narrow escapes from death; like when he was surrounded by walkers and being stabbed in the face; seem unrealistic (even for a zombie show).

  • @double_u said: :spoil-o:

    I agree. It was quite anti-climatical.

    It feels as if the writers wanted Andrea's death to be the climax, but I really didn't click with it emotionally. Yeah, yeah. I didn't like Andrea, but I never really liked Merle either and his death was done really well. Andrea just felt so out of place all season that her death had, as I watched it, so little impact. Michonne's crying, however, was pretty well done.

    I wanted an epic showdown at the prison, and there wasn't one.

    The Governor also felt out of character, even for the TV series. The Governor is a calculating man. Shooting a few of his troops to bring them in line makes sense...massacring all of them doesn't. Not even for him.

    And here's another thing, how the hell did Rick make it to Woodbury before the Governor? Rick had to stop, pick up Karen, share their bloody life stories, then head Woodbury, do their thing with Andrea, while Karen was, presumably, explaining and rounding up everyone else on the bus. Where the hell was the Governor? Did he take the scenic route with Martinez? Either way, they are really stretching the Governor storyline. I was really hoping they would be back on the road after the battle.

    AMC has been promising that the finale would be super shocking, and it was really hyped up. After I watched it, I was meh. And for the record, I'm not a purist who expects the show to conform exactly to the comic. I just didn't feel the finale was well done.

    TBH, I've always felt that the show's writing has been rather inconsistent, and the finale shows this.

    Actually, even just shooting a few of his guys (while they're already basically routing, no less) was a pants on head stupid thing to do. It's only ever been remotely effective when the followers actually understand that they'll get shot for retreating before a battle starts, not during or after.

    My guess is the governor didn't even go back to Woodbury, he basically just took his ball and went... somewhere. Besides, it'd be kinda hard to explain what happened to the other couple dozen people that went with him when he got back "Oh, they uh... all fell down the stairs".

    The thing I find kinda funny is people are so upset about Carl shooting the kid; that was a clean shoot in my view. Somebody has a weapon pointed anywhere in my general direction after being told to drop it? He's dead. We were taught that somebody doesn't stop being a combatant as long as they're still armed.

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