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Better With a Gun: Carly or Lilly

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Who had better aim with a gun? Carly or Lilly

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  • Both are good with guns but I think Carley could take out Lilly if she had the chance.

  • @T800kaz said: Both are good with guns but I think Carley could take out Lilly if she had the chance.

    IE, if Lilly doesn't draw when everyone's back is turned.

  • I agree with Mornai's point that comparing a pistol versus a rifle user isn't exactly the same. So instead of comparing them simply on the basis of marksmanship, I'll try and evaluate them on the basis of their tactical shooting, situational awareness, grit, etc.

    Carley has shown her capabilities with fire and movement. When she rescued Lee both inside and outside the pharmacy, she was able to move quickly to exactly where she needed to be to deliver firepower in a dynamic situation. She also repeated this when Mr. Parker turned. She was the one who saved the day again. At the farm, she also showed she could rely on stealth to get in position though she did missed the shot.

    Probably one of the best examples of Carley being calm in a dangerous situation was when the bandits stormed the inn. She was able to react to a changing situation very smoothly by grabbing a pistol from a dead bandit and quickly killing two of them in rapid succession. This is the sign of a good gunfighter. Carley was right in the middle of a very dangerous and frightening situation, but she fought right back the moment the opportunity was available.

    Carley's situational awareness is also high. She was the only person who noticed the St. John's outside the inn despite being at ground level and the group being distracted by a stupid argument. Lilly, who was on watch duty, failed to notice that people were right outside. The one time Carley's situational awareness failed her was when someone she trusted betrayed her (Lilly at the RV) because of an argument.

    One of the biggest mistakes she made was not being near her source of ammo during the pharmacy defence. To her credit, she did make a tactical reload before the fighting start. It was possible she underestimated a melee based enemy, and didn't expect one to basically crawl up to her.

    Lilly also demonstrated her ability to move where firepower was needed during the bandit attack. And somehow (and frankly, I couldn't even figure out how), she managed to sneak around and flank the bandits. She gets big credits for this.

    At the farm, she missed the shot with a rifle against Danny. So in this case, I'd say Lilly and Carley are even, because despite the miss, Lilly and Carley were able to sneak up on an opponent again which at least demonstrates knowing when and where to be when shooting.

    The biggest err on Lilly's part, IMO, is when she didn't shoot Mr. Parker when he turned on the pick-up truck. As soon as Lee fell off the truck, Lilly definitely had a clear shot on the walker, especially from an elevated position on top of the RV. Considering you could totally side with her in the game, I cannot accept that she purposely chose not to shoot at this point. Heck, even Larry comes to your rescue if he had the axe. I can only surmise that Lilly froze during a dynamic situation. Whereas the bandit attack on the inn occurred when Lilly was safely hidden away which gave her time to react, this walker attacked occurred right in front of her when she was the first line of defence. In fact, it was ultimately Carley who had to run all the way around the RV to come to the rescue.

    Another point we should consider is mental stability. I will always trust someone who is mentally stable (Carley) with a gun over someone who isn't (Lilly). Even when Lilly was stable, she was still a very hot-headed person.

    Given these comparisons, while I think both Carley and Lilly are both knowledgable in tactical shooting, Carley is the only who demonstrated consistently that she can keep fighting no matter what. Lilly didn't. If I have missed any possible examples, I'd love to hear them to keep comparing.

    At the end of the day, it's important to remember that accurate shooting is important, but combat is dynamic, changing, and scary. Aim is affected by all of these.

  • ^Lilly did not sneak up on Andy. Andy seemed to know she was aiming at him, and she still did not kill him with a straight shot. I think Andy wasn't expecting anyone to intervene in a solo fight(one-on-one). However, Lee shouting "Lilly, HELP!" kinda lost her cover.

  • @DreadMagus said: Rose colored glasses?

    Or blood-splattered. Carley wracks up a bigger on-screen body count in the first episode than a lot characters did all season.

    At least two zombies outside the drug store, one inside the store, one at the motel, two more right after the window breaks, two more when she reloads her gun and that's not even counting the dozen or so off-screen when you're constantly hearing gunshots followed by splat sounds. All in the first episode, in a span of a few hours.

    Compare that to Lilly possibly nicking Andy St. John, one bandit and one beloved member of the group, which in Doug's case she hit because she couldn't shoot straight.

  • @Mornai said: Lilly's better with rifles, Carley is better with pistols.

    If this is true Carley is the better marksmen. Pistols are less accurate than rifles.

  • @GREYxDUZxKRUSH said: If this is true Carley is the better marksmen. Pistols are less accurate than rifles.

    While I agree that Carley is the better shooter, to be fair, I don't we've seen Lilly use a pistol except for the sucker punch at the RV, so it's hard to compare.

  • I'd have to say Carley. While Lilly DID have the training, her military career was spent sitting in a chair and dealing with people all day. Carley has been able to make, more or less, consistent headshots since the moment we met her. The only shot I've seen her miss is Andy, and she was still able to get him in the head (or ear, but close enough).

  • @double_u said: While I agree that Carley is the better shooter, to be fair, I don't we've seen Lilly use a pistol except for the sucker punch at the RV, so it's hard to compare.

    There's also the fact that Carley's targets were a lot closer on average.

    @double_u said: I'd have to say Carley. While Lilly DID have the training, her military career was spent sitting in a chair and dealing with people all day. Carley has been able to make, more or less, consistent headshots since the moment we met her. The only shot I've seen her miss is Andy, and she was still able to get him in the head (or ear, but close enough).

    If Chair Force is anything like Army, it wouldn't really matter. She'd still need to go through a qualification course on a semi-regular basis.

  • I don't recall either of them ever totally missing a target.

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