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Poker night 2 cheats outrageously

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The odds against what the computer is getting is so astronomical I can only assume it is cheating. I lose every showdown no matter what the odds are - as an example, I went up against one of the computers with a hand that had the same high card and a higher low card, such as

Ace - king

and the computer had

ace - 2

and then on the flop there were two 2's. This happened literally 3 times in a row (not aces and twos every time, but we both had the same high card and I had a better low). Then the very next hand one of the cpus went blind all in before the flop and got a royal flush. I have played poker for many years and I've never seen anyone get a royal flush before, getting it blind is ridiculous. I played one tournament where I lost 9 showdowns in a row where my "chances" were over 75% before the flop.

Why would anyone ever want to play a poker game that cheats? What is wrong with you, telltale?

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  • I wish I'd been keeping track because anecdotally the odds seem dodgy to me too.

    I'm fully willing to chalk it up to being a sucky poker player. I learned hold 'em for the first time in order to play PN1, I know I'm not good at it. But it just seems like the same things happen a lot. In PN1, it seems like an unusual number of times in showdowns, the character and I would both have pairs and mine would be higher, but the character would end up getting three of a kind. In PN1, it also seemed like characters would go all-in on nothing and get something in the last two cards strangely often. I'm not seeing that one as much in PN2, partly because Ash and Brock will go all-in on nothing a lot and it stays nothing what seems like a fair amount of the time.

    Still, I feel like all-ins get weird sometimes. In a recent game when it was down to me and Claptrap and I had $75K+, Claptrap kept going all-in before the flop, which seemed foolish, and I'd read in reviews/tips that he's the most sensible, least erratic player, so I thought he must have something. But at the fourth all-in I figured sensible or not, he must be bluffing to steal the blinds, so I called him-- and he had a pair of aces for his hole cards. Next hand, he went all-in before the flop again, so I called him again. He had another pair for his hole cards, don't remember what now, but seriously. Twice in a row. And he had gone all-in three times before that-- so first he bluffed three times on nothing, presumably, and then he just happened to have pairs for his hole cards the two times I called?

    I just came to the forums because it's down to me and Brock, and I was at $78K. Brock went all-in with a King and a two, I called with a pair of sixes. The flop doesn't help anyone; it looks good for me til... last card was another King, so Brock just doubled his money. It's not so unusual for Brock to go all-in with just a King in his hand, but those last-card saves do seem to happen weirdly often, especially when it's down to player vs. one character.

    You can't beat this kind of thing for drama. If you were watching the game as a spectator, I think having these reversals on the last card would make it more exciting, and that's what I wonder-- if there's something in the programming to add to the drama by making the last card decisive more often, but it's not working quite like it should... or maybe the computer players just take advantage of it more often because they're more aggressive than the player, who's more likely to fold before the magical last card.

    I don't know. I see other people are in the forums complaining that PN2 isn't hard ENOUGH, so I feel for the developers. Clearly there's no pleasing everybody. I do really miss having Normal and Hard mode, though, and being able to turn down the chatter. I don't want to shut everyone up entirely and play in total grim silence, but the long dialogues are repetitive.

  • The forums went down while I was writing the above, so I started another game.

    In the second hand: Claptrap, Brock and I get into a showdown, both Claptrap and Brock have low miscellaneous hole cards, mine are both face cards. Pair of twos on the table, and I have an Ace high, so it looks like I'm going to win... til Brock gets a ten on the last card to match the ten in his hand, and takes the pot.

    Later, it's me, Claptrap and Sam. Claptrap folds, Sam is down to $6K and he goes all in on a 4 and a 2 after the flop, when there's nothing out there remotely useful to him but a 5. I have a King in my hand and one in the flop, so I call him. I have a pair of Kings, his odds are in the teens... and then the last two cards are a 6 and a 3, giving Sam a straight.

    Same game eventually comes down to me and Sam. Sam has $11k and goes all-in before the flop on a Jack and a 2 of different suits. I call him with a Jack and a 4, same suit. A Jack goes down in the flop, looks like a win for me... nope, the last card is a 2.

    It's not just that characters get the cards they need... it's that it keeps happening on the last card for what subjectively feels like an improbable amount of the time.

    Or maybe I just notice the 'last card wins' effect more often because it's more dramatic when it happens. I really don't know.

  • @superpanic said: Or maybe I just notice the 'last card wins' effect more often because it's more dramatic when it happens. I really don't know.

    I had that suspicion too, which is why I started jotting down the players hands and actions to try and remove personal bias and stick with numbers. I've helped develop software before, so I know how one little thing can cause unexpected havoc. I want to love this game, it has great charm. Like, ten times more charming than Arnold from Green Acres. I just feel as though I'm getting shafted left and right which makes it hard to want to play.

  • That is just poker. There have been countless times I have hit a straight or a flush on the river. It is a game about playing hands your mind knows are great and following your gut on occasions, you think they might be great. I have won several hands from both ends of the spectrum.
    Frankly the game would be boring if the guy with 5% always lost. IF you really are putting that much faith in to the numbers and not the strategy, you deserve to lose. I am a xcom die and I can tell you one thing for certain: percentages dont mean sh*t, unless they are 100 or 0.
    The guy with a pair of 2s has just as much chance at winning as the girl with pocket aces.

  • @OneTimeThing said: That is just poker. There have been countless times I have hit a straight or a flush on the river. It is a game about playing hands your mind knows are great and following your gut on occasions, you think they might be great. I have won several hands from both ends of the spectrum.
    Frankly the game would be boring if the guy with 5% always lost. IF you really are putting that much faith in to the numbers and not the strategy, you deserve to lose. I am a xcom die and I can tell you one thing for certain: percentages dont mean sh*t, unless they are 100 or 0.
    The guy with a pair of 2s has just as much chance at winning as the girl with pocket aces.

    Your opinion is super important to someone. I'm using mathematical modeling to see if there is an error somewhere. Yes poker is supposed to be random. That's the problem, a lot of the outcomes don't seem very random. When I watch a game where I fold versus one where I don't fold I see the dealt cards proportionately favor everyone not you. Saying I deserve to lose because I'm using analysis to try and figure something out is ridiculous. Playing poker, whether you admit it or not is all about judging probability and percentage.

    What are the chances I will be dealt X card to make this combo?
    What is the chance he is bluffing?
    What is the chance he is holding a better hand?

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    ttg_Stemmle Telltale Staff

    Speaking as someone who waded through much more of the poker code than our lead programmer was probably comfortable with, I can say this with a nigh-absolute degree of certainty: The amount of extra work that would be required to make the the game cheat (even a little bit) would've prohibitively annoying.

    And like Jake said, cheating would gain us nothing.

    Mike "Winners Never Cheat" Stemmle

  • From my experience, it seems to be this:

    Once the table is down to 2, if you get too far ahead of the other guy he will go all in before the flop every hand. He will do this until he is "back in the game", ie pretty even on chips. If you call him at all during this he will automatically win with magically awesome flops.

    I honestly wouldn't even be as mad if GlaDos was explicitly cheating - they could work hat into the dialog, it would be funny. But they don't so its obviously just some garbage in there to make the game harder because they didn't want to code the AI better.

  • I'm over 2:1, or 200% in showdowns. My stats are similar to NATI. Nothing feels fishy to me about the programming. I've only felt screwed once in 17.5hrs of gameplay. Holding two kings, 2-K-8 is flopped. Went down to a showdown right there with Ash holding 2-6. What were the turn and river? 2-2. Three kings to four deuces. It happens in poker. Sometimes, you're just bent over the table to take it.

    I'm a few years out of the game, but I used to be great, titles and what-not a decade or so ago. I know a little something about poker. Oh and by the way, that was the highest hand I've seen the CPU players have outside of Omaha.

  • I have to agree. The game is cheating against me like there is no tomorrow.

    The game keeps giving me bad cards (2,5,jack,8 and nine are the ones ive seen the most) while for example, ClapTrap almost every time has a pair in he's little robot hands. In last game he had 2 aces while i had 2 and five.

    Ive never seen Sam get anything else than Flush or Straight
    Brock keeps getting 2 pairs or Full Houses.
    Ash keeps getting 3 of a kind or 2 pairs.
    For me, its extremely rare to even get a pair.
    I dont know what is up with this game. Or why do i keep getting bad cards.
    And when it comes to 1v1, it seems that i never get pairs. This was proved in the latest 1v1 against Brock. He got 3 pairs in a row, i got 0.

  • And another thing. I dont think the game fully understands some things.

    In one tournament, me and Ash had same cards. And the 5h card was an ace.
    Suddenly, Ash won with and Ace kicker, even tho we had the same cards (10 and 5)

    I mean, come on!

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