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If Lilly suggested to leave Clem behind ?

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What if Lilly tells you to leave Clem behind with Kenny , Katjaa , Duck and Ben because she is a burden and that both of them have a great chance of survival together would you still go with her ?

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  • @master psychic said: Well this question is for some Lilly fans and other people that really like Lilly because they are so confident that going her is much safe than with Kenny and i want to see if they would still go with Lilly even if it means leaving Clem behind

    Since you admit you're asking this on the basis of which potential route is safer, why would leaving Clem behind make a difference? Seems like you're trying to emotionally tilt the scales to coerce the answer you want to hear, not the answer that might actually be right.

    It's not even a matter of liking Lilly (hint, I left her on the side on the road), it's the fact that Kenny's "plan" was pants on head stupid. Any alternative would've been better as far as survival goes (and that includes Clem's survival). Considering the end result of going with Kenny is that Clem ends up alone anyway and she doesn't exhibit any basic survival skills (by which I mean little stuff like how to start a fire, boil water or gather food)... and then there's the fact that she literally can't even carry her own water, well...

  • Too much attention for Lilly in last time. Why?

  • @Rommel49 said: Since you admit you're asking this on the basis of which potential route is safer, why would leaving Clem behind make a difference? Seems like you're trying to emotionally tilt the scales to coerce the answer you want to hear, not the answer that might actually be right.

    It's not even a matter of liking Lilly (hint, I left her on the side on the road), it's the fact that Kenny's "plan" was pants on head stupid. Any alternative would've been better as far as survival goes (and that includes Clem's survival). Considering the end result of going with Kenny is that Clem ends up alone anyway and she doesn't exhibit any basic survival skills (by which I mean little stuff like how to start a fire, boil water or gather food)... and then there's the fact that she literally can't even carry her own water, well...

    And how do you know that going with Lilly isn't going to be the same ending where Lee somehow gets bitten and Lilly dies somehow and Clem ends up alone , and did Lilly even say where she is going ?
    And i'm pretty sure Clem knows how to survive on her own now thanks to Lee and how do you know that she doesn't know how to make a fire , boil water or gather food , because right now she is emotionally devastated and she is in the middle of the country side , you can't expect a child to think rationally after what happened .
    I am asking this question because i want to see if people who really like Lilly would really leave Clem in the dust and go with Lilly .

  • I was told never to lay a hand on a woman, but Lilly would be an exception if she ever suggested to leave them behind.

  • @gimmeseason2 said: I was told never to lay a hand on a woman, but Lilly would be an exception if she ever suggested to leave them behind.

    Why not... just let her go? Just laugh in her face, flip her off, and leave. Let her make her "getaway" in an RV that isn't going far.

  • @master psychic said: And how do you know that going with Lilly isn't going to be the same ending where Lee somehow gets bitten and Lilly dies somehow and Clem ends up alone , and did Lilly even say where she is going ?
    And i'm pretty sure Clem knows how to survive on her own now thanks to Lee and how do you know that she doesn't know how to make a fire , boil water or gather food , because right now she is emotionally devastated and she is in the middle of the country side , you can't expect a child to think rationally after what happened .
    I am asking this question because i want to see if people who really like Lilly would really leave Clem in the dust and go with Lilly .

    Because Lilly wasn't heading towards a densely populated coastal region. We know Kenny's plan ends in failure (and to beat the "I told ya so" drum once again, I predicted its failures on this board before episode 3 was released). By definition the odds are better if the option were available to go with Lilly; it has the possibility of failure, sure, but with Kenny's plan it's a guarantee it ends in failure - we see as much. Everything else aside, possible or even probable failure is a better choice than certain failure every time.

    Lee taught Clem how to shoot, that was pretty much it. Lee could only teach her what he actually knew; when talking to the St. Johns', he'll admit that the people with actual survival experience in the group are the ones that were ex-military (which would be Lilly, Larry and Mark).

    There's no evidence that Lee even knew how to do the things I listed either. Lee's an intelligent guy, but an outdoorsman able to live off the land he ain't. We see as much by Episode 2 - he needs someone kind enough to drop a station wagon full of goodies in his path. He didn't even really think about teaching Clem how to deal with stuff on her own until about three days before his death, even if he knew these things, he didn't have the time or means to properly pass them on (e.g. how to properly clean and dress an animal she kills for food).

    Nevermind that some of these things are stuff Clem can't feasibly do on her own. In a survival scenario, a person needs a minimum of about a gallon or two (or more, depending on climate and activity) per day for hydration and sanitation, basic code states to carry atleast a three day supply: 8 lbs. per gallon x 2 = 16 lbs., x3 days = lugging around near-50 lbs. of water, when I say she literally can't carry her own water, I'm not kidding. This isn't even including other things she'd need to lug around like firewood, a cutting tool, etc.

    Considering the ridiculous leverage you try to use to get the answer you want, it's kinda telling that it actually happens when you follow Kenny.

  • It'd take one hell of a bad person to leave a mother and father while grieving over their child's imminent death to go with a person who had just killed their potential love interest or bro. It'd take an even worse person to leave a little girl behind as well. Honestly I can't believe this thread was made, no one would leave behind and backstab all those people to go with Lilly.

  • @CarScar said: It'd take one hell of a bad person to leave a mother and father while grieving over their child's imminent death to go with a person who had just killed their potential love interest or bro. It'd take an even worse person to leave a little girl behind as well. Honestly I can't believe this thread was made, no one would leave behind and backstab all those people to go with Lilly.

    Pretty much, it's why I reject the basis of the question "people say it'd be safer with Lilly than Kenny, so what if...", if you weight absurd hypotheticals on one side heavily enough odds are you're going to get the response you want, but it's worthless as an actual informative answer. It'd be like asking "would you still stick with Kenny if he deliberately infected Clementine with a terminal case of flesh-eating bacteria? Oh, and chronic halitosis too, for good measure".

    Would Lee be safer with Lilly? Definitely, simply because we know Lee ends up dead if he goes with Kenny, not might end up dead, does end up dead. Chances of survival greater than zero isn't exactly a high bar to meet. I still kicked Lilly to the curb. Your odds of survival are probably better if you let the girl at the start of Episode 3 get eaten alive rather than putting her out of her misery too; yet not everyone did it.

  • @Mark$man said: ^When you try to go with her, you tell her you'll go get Clem. She leaves you when you go to get her. Apparently she doesn't care about Clem too much.


    I think that was on purpose,she knew Lee would not leave without Clementine so it was used in a way for Lily to be alone and steal the RV while Lee was gone for the few moments.

  • Just one more reason to kill her, she is going to die the moment I see her anyway just more reasons as to why.

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