User Avatar Image

Going with Lilly is much safe than with Kenny ?

posted by master psychic on - last edited - Viewed by 325 users

Why do people assume that going with Lilly who knows where and after what she did is better than going with Kenny to Savannah ?
Some people say that Kenny caused Lee's death by going to Savannah to find a boat but remember Clem wanted to go to Savannah to find her parents , and how is going with Lilly a better solution ? She proved that she can kill anyone she doesn't like and i don't think Clementine will be thrilled to go with a woman who tortured her best friend aka Ben ( or tried to kill him if you saved Doug ) and who killed Carley because she called her the B word .
So do you guys think that going with Lilly it will be much safe for Lee and Clem than with Kenny ?

20 Comments - Linear Discussion: Classic Style
  • @Ismokeherb said: Lee's death is to be solely blamed on Clementine.

    Though i agree with most of what you said, Lee's death cannot be blamed on anything at all. It's his own fault for taking care of Clementine in the first place, it's Carley/Doug's fault for giving Clem batteries allowing her to talk with the stranger, it's Kenny's fault for taking them to Savannah, etc. There are too many variables and none of them hold more weight than the other.

  • @Mornai said: Though i agree with most of what you said, Lee's death cannot be blamed on anything at all. It's his own fault for taking care of Clementine in the first place, it's Carley/Doug's fault for giving Clem batteries allowing her to talk with the stranger, it's Kenny's fault for taking them to Savannah, etc. There are too many variables and none of them hold more weight than the other.

    Lee choosing to take care of someone, or Carley inadvertently fixing the radio (irony) are actions with indeterminate results, but I don't think that holding them at fault is the right way to put it.

    Choices have consequences, but actual accountability is more direct. I blame Ben for lying about the bandits, not Lee and Kenny for bringing him back to the motel in the first place.
    And you know, I don't place blame on a child for being kidnapped.

  • @Mikejames said: Lee choosing to take care of someone, or Carley inadvertently fixing the radio (irony) are actions with indeterminate results, but I don't think that holding them at fault is the right way to put it.

    Choices have consequences, but actual accountability is more direct. I blame Ben for lying about the bandits, not Lee and Kenny for bringing him back to the motel in the first place.
    And you know, I don't place blame on a child for being kidnapped.

    Lee asleep on sofa after their "adventure" in Crawford , and missed the moment when Clem ran away. This is another fatal little thing that killed him. From a fate not to leave, he was to die.

    About the question of the author of thread:
    Despite the fact that I love Lilly as character, I believe that under the command of Lilly, they would all have perished in the Savannah in the first few hours.

  • @Mikejames said: Lee choosing to take care of someone, or Carley inadvertently fixing the radio (irony) are actions with indeterminate results, but I don't think that holding them at fault is the right way to put it.

    Choices have consequences, but actual accountability is more direct. I blame Ben for lying about the bandits, not Lee and Kenny for bringing him back to the motel in the first place.
    And you know, I don't place blame on a child for being kidnapped.

    I wasn't saying i blame those characters for those things, i was listing them as examples of things you could blame Lee's death for(but shouldn't). Sorry if i worded it poorly.

  • @Ismokeherb said: Kenny had so much more hope than Lily, even after his family died. His plan was sound and would've actually ended up working as far it was planned until that bunch of gerry's got involved.

    That can't be said for Lily who lost her mind at the loss of a loved one. You want to stay with Lily? No way, not with her record.

    Kenny's boat fantasy predictably results in the deaths of pretty much everyone involved. Hell, the only person that we can confirm survived it was Clementine. That "plan" was basically the fevered dream of a guy who lost it. And had Vernon's group not got involved, the boat never would've been in working condition anyway.

    Fact is, Kenny never had a real plan beyond 1.) Get Boat 2.) Go to Sea 3.) ??? 4.) Profit. Chuck basically figures out as much the instant he hears it (as did I). Heading to the coast was a pants on head stupid thing to do from a survival standpoint, and always was.

    In the United States, coastal regions account for about one-fifth of the landmass but a tad bit over half the nation's total population of 300+ million (now undead) resides there. Hell, even if they made it out to sea, what then? You're surrounded by water you can't drink and you can't live on just fish... that way lies a sucky death from things like scurvy, assuming you don't die of dehydration in a couple days (because again, surrounded by water you can't drink). So you'd end up having to go back to the densely-populated coast for supplies.

    If your plan to avoid flesh-eating undead involves going to where you're going to run into more of them than anywhere else, it's a bad plan. That's not to say Lilly's a great alternative, just that damn near any alternative to Kenny's plan was better... it gets you killed about as quickly as an absence of water would.

  • @zev_zev said: Lee asleep on sofa after their "adventure" in Crawford , and missed the moment when Clem ran away. This is another fatal little thing that killed him. From a fate not to leave, he was to die.

    About the question of the author of thread:
    Despite the fact that I love Lilly as character, I believe that under the command of Lilly, they would all have perished in the Savannah in the first few hours.


    The little things add up. If only Savannah had fallen on the day after trash collection..

    Considering that Lilly was against the boat plan from the start, part of me imagines the group splitting up even if she didn't shoot someone.

    @zev_zev said: I wasn't saying i blame those characters for those things, i was listing them as examples of things you could blame Lee's death for(but shouldn't). Sorry if i worded it poorly.


    Ah, fair enough.

  • @Rommel49 said: Kenny's boat fantasy predictably results in the deaths of pretty much everyone involved. Hell, the only person that we can confirm survived it was Clementine. That "plan" was basically the fevered dream of a guy who lost it. And had Vernon's group not got involved, the boat never would've been in working condition anyway.

    Fact is, Kenny never had a real plan beyond 1.) Get Boat 2.) Go to Sea 3.) ??? 4.) Profit. Chuck basically figures out as much the instant he hears it (as did I). Heading to the coast was a pants on head stupid thing to do from a survival standpoint, and always was.

    In the United States, coastal regions account for about one-fifth of the landmass but a tad bit over half the nation's total population of 300+ million (now undead) resides there. Hell, even if they made it out to sea, what then? You're surrounded by water you can't drink and you can't live on just fish... that way lies a sucky death from things like scurvy, assuming you don't die of dehydration in a couple days (because again, surrounded by water you can't drink). So you'd end up having to go back to the densely-populated coast for supplies.

    If your plan to avoid flesh-eating undead involves going to where you're going to run into more of them than anywhere else, it's a bad plan. That's not to say Lilly's a great alternative, just that damn near any alternative to Kenny's plan was better... it gets you killed about as quickly as an absence of water would.

    I know his plan was shit... He was still a better leader.

    Also good to see the small troll I put in my post got a few bites.

  • If there is a blame on anyone for Lee's death, it was Lee himself. He decided to care for the little girl, and yet could not tell her the truth about her parents. Then, knowing the troubles and dangers, whether her parents magically survived or not, he went to Savannah where they were last known to be. He never, not even once, checks that walkie-talkie to see if it works; he isn't even curious or suspicious of Clem talking into it. When he finds out Clem has been talking to a nut-job, he still gives her too much freedom, has no one watching her(except BEN), and after upsetting her too much leaves the walkie-talkie with her and falls asleep. BIG MISTAKE. Then he goes out to find her alone, and isn't careful during a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE. He didn't even think about removing the hand until others suggest it for him. I mean, everyone else thinks of it, no matter who you bring. So why didn't Lee think of it? To top it all off, he is too concerned for Clementine that he doesn't concern himself with the well-being of the others. As much as I love Lee as a character, Jesus does he lack common sense sometimes...

  • @master psychic said: Why do people assume that going with Lilly who knows where and after what she did is better than going with Kenny to Savannah ?
    Some people say that Kenny caused Lee's death by going to Savannah to find a boat but remember Clem wanted to go to Savannah to find her parents , and how is going with Lilly a better solution ? She proved that she can kill anyone she doesn't like and i don't think Clementine will be thrilled to go with a woman who tortured her best friend aka Ben ( or tried to kill him if you saved Doug ) and who killed Carley because she called her the B word .
    So do you guys think that going with Lilly it will be much safe for Lee and Clem than with Kenny ?

    It all goes back to that meat locker. I chose to help Lilly and we were already becoming good friends prior to the meat locker incident. For me the choice is clear, Lilly saved my life on several occasions and Kenny has consistently left me to die multiple times. Regardless of what peoples opinion of Lilly may be, I trust her more than Kenny or traitor Ben.

  • I would not go with Lilly if my life depended on it, she would kill me for the meat locker so I would stay with Kenny my bro just like I did.

Add Comment