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Sympathy for the cancer patients ?

posted by master psychic on - last edited - Viewed by 2K users

So now we know that the cancer patients never meant to harm Lee and the group but Vernon wanted the boat and he proved to be a bad apple .
So should we feel sorry for them , or continue to hate them ?

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  • I did not take anything from the wagon because Clementine said so, bu somehow I don't hate Vernon, unless he screwed his own people over, then I hate him.

  • @NotablyUnstable said: Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?

    Vernon taking the Boat was stealing, as it was in the possession of Lee's Group.

    The Station Wagon full of supplies had no known owner. It was left with the doors unlocked, the keys in the ignition and the lights on. The Stranger wasn't asking for it to be taken - he was begging for it to be taken.

    Finder's Keepers.

  • @The Law said: Finder's Keepers.

    Yes, the international law of go f*** yourself. It started pretty easy in episode 1: shoot the woman who'd been bitten or save the bullet, not hard to decide what's right or wrong in that situation. In episode 2 it was take the supplies or leave them, a decision I agonised over. In episode 3 we were given the choice to shoot a woman who was about to die a horrible death, or let her be a distraction while you get the 'much needed supplies'. In episode 4 we were confronted with Crawford and the evil that we can become, and then we were given the chance to become like them: leave Ben behind or save him. In episode 5 we weren't given the choice. Vernon made the choice to steal the boat because the only other option was to try survive in a city that was about to be completely overrun.

    We knew full well that taking the supplies was killing someone. In the same way, Vernon knew that taking the boat would probably kill everyone in Lee's group.

    Do I hate him? Hell yeah.

    If I was in his shoes, would I do the same thing?

  • @NotablyUnstable said: We knew full well that taking the supplies was killing someone.

    No we didn't, liar.

  • @NotablyUnstable said: Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?

    The station wagon was 'abandoned' for all intents and purposes. Lee's group would, unless by fate they dropped on another food cache, die of starvation without those supplies - they had to take them.

    The boat had owners which were already known and who were alive, Lee's group, Vernon was well aware of this yet still stole it.

    Two completely different scenarios.

  • @The Law said: No we didn't, liar.

    Yeah we did. No one in their right mind would have left those supplies there without meaning to come back.

    @The Law said: Lee's group would, unless by fate they dropped on another food cache, die of starvation without those supplies - they had to take them.

    If only there was a farm nearby...

  • For all we knew, the owners were dead. Nobody in their right mind would simply LEAVE those supplies like that unless they WANTED them to be taken, were dead, or simply stupid.

    And the only farm nearby was swarming with walkers. The group had barely escaped it (loosing two members, and sustaining one injured), and even if there weren't any walkers, the only readily available source of food was HUMAN FLESH.

  • @Rock114 said: For all we knew, the owners were dead. Nobody in their right mind would simply LEAVE those supplies like that unless they WANTED them to be taken, were dead, or simply stupid.

    You've got me there. Yes Campman was pretty stupid.

    @Rock114 said: And the only farm nearby was swarming with walkers. The group had barely escaped it (loosing two members, and sustaining one injured), and even if there weren't any walkers, the only readily available source of food was HUMAN FLESH.


    [LIST]
    [*]Macon was also swarming with walkers, yet at the start of episode 3 Lee and Kenny took their chances.
    [*]The group lost two members because of the St. Johns, not because of the walkers.
    [*]The St. Johns didn't have just meat at the farm, there was other food too. When you first arrive at the farm Brenda gives Carley/Doug and Ben some food that didn't look like meat, at least to me.
    [/LIST]

  • I don't hate the cancer patients; in their situation, I probably would have taken the boat too.

  • Lee and Kenny took their chances in Macon because the walkers weren't literally covering every inch of every street. You can see the size of the horde that shows up just as you are elaving the dairy, and it's pretty clear that that place won't benearly as "safe" (I use that word loosely in this case) as Macon would be. The fact that the St. Johns killed Larry and Mark doesn't matter: the group was down two members, possibly three with Kenny's wound, and it would have been unwise to go back to the dairy when walkers were swarming it. They don't even know where the St. Johns store anything other than their human flesh, which was in the meat locker, so rooting around a zombie infested dairy formerly owned by cannibals just for a few loaves of bread isn't worth it.

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