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Why was Katjaa so selfish towards the end?

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Don't get me wrong I view Katjaa as the heart of the group and the most level headed person there. Which really confuses me on why she would kill herself.

I get why she would want to die, but basically she shoots herself because Kenny has changed and she couldn't lose her son?

Duck was about to die and she couldn't deal with it. So either she took him into the woods and shot herself leaving a bitten Duck for Kenny to deal with, or she shot herself in front of Kenny because she couldn't live without Duck and the man Kenny was changing into.

All of this just seemed out of character for her. I could see her shooting Duck and then herself out of guilt, but the way she just left Kenny to deal with everything didn't seem like the Katjaa we were shown the previous two episodes.

Anyone else think this was weird?

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  • @Bioshock Infinite WD said: I think it was not out of character, she loved her son more then life it's self, it makes sense to me.


    And finding out that her husband abandoned his humanity and concealed from her what he did in the meat locker probably didn't help matters either.

  • @NotablyUnstable said: In some ways Kenny was the strongest of the group. He managed to deal with the death of his wife and son, and continued to be a badass. If we lost Clementine instead of Duck, how many people do you think wouldn't be able to continue? I'm guessing a lot, myself included.

    Katjaa couldn't deal with a world without her son. Kenny had already changed so much. If you compare the Kenny from the farm in episode 1 to the Kenny at the start of episode 3, they seem like two different people. Perhaps she knew Kenny would be strong enough to continue without her, and that saddened her even more.

    One Kenny was no badass, he got his ass kicked in every altercation he was in, he got owned by a chick and the elderly,not to mention the ass whoopin he got from me.

    secondly Kenny didn't get over losing his wife and son. In Kenny's defence it was only a couple of days before his last scene so he can't be expected to. Kenny managed because of the support from Lee and the hope that Clementine renewed when she found the boat. Had it not been for that he would have drunk himself into oblivion.

  • @MickH said: Have you always been a closet psychopath or would you be looking at exploring it as a new career move? :D

    looooool yep, it could be something new you know? "providence"?

  • @loop hole said: Dude! Kenny was an ass long before he lost his wife and son. He was an ass when he tried to drive off and leave Lilly when the motor inn was being overrun before she snapped and did something punish worthy. He was an ass when he left Lee to die in the drugstore. He was an ass when he told Lee to let the woman in the street suffer so they good use her dying screams to draw out the hidden walkers. He was an ass when he left Lee to die in the barn after Lee tried to save Larry. He was an ass when he sent Lee to do all the risky,dirty work like investigating the ST John's hidden room whilst he put his feet up and had dinner with the group. Oh yeah and he was an ass when he ran off and left Lee struggling to help Sean when he could have simply told his son to run in the direction of his mother and Clementine.

    If Kenny is so strong why did he turn to drink? (Chuck drank but he never got drunk.) He wasn't the only person to have lost some one. When Ben tells him what he's been through, he himself accepted that Ben had it worse than him since he never had any time with his family at all after the apocalypse. Ben's outburst is what gave Kenny the wakeup call and stopped him from being self-absorbed and focusing on what he has lost. That was the defining moment where Kenny became heroic and redeemed himself by putting someone before himself for once. When he stayed with Ben so the walkers didn't get him.

    kenny didn't leave Lilly he was driving so he could have if he wanted to plus Lilly looked like she was hesitating as to whether to leave or not, Lee didn't die kenny just didn't help a guy that wouldn't help him,
    killing a woman and putting yourself in danger is no better or worse than letting her die, she dies either way, Lee was winning the fight and plus Lee didn't help kenny (in the scenario you are talking about), getting lee to check the barn wasn't making him do dirty work, it was just not leaving his family with people he suspects are bad guys to check out a barn that may possibly have some evidence of them being bad guys and kenny dropping Duck to save a stranger never crossed my mind, why would a parent take a risk like that? kenny just has survivor's guilt.

    i don't know if you ever drink alcohol but the point of drinking it is to get drunk (Chuck was probably always drunk) and getting drunk after losing your entire family in front of you is an understandable but not advisable thing to do in a zombie apocalypse, and i don't think kenny actually thought Ben's story was worse than his but it made him realise other people are really unhappy as well so maybe he should rethink how he treats him

  • @thestalkinghead said: kenny didn't leave Lilly he was driving so he could have if he wanted to plus Lilly looked like she was hesitating as to whether to leave or not, Lee didn't die kenny just didn't help a guy that wouldn't help him,
    killing a woman and putting yourself in danger is no better or worse than letting her die, she dies either way, Lee was winning the fight and plus Lee didn't help kenny (in the scenario you are talking about), getting lee to check the barn wasn't making him do dirty work, it was just not leaving his family with people he suspects are bad guys to check out a barn that may possibly have some evidence of them being bad guys and kenny dropping Duck to save a stranger never crossed my mind, why would a parent take a risk like that? kenny just has survivor's guilt.

    i don't know if you ever drink alcohol but the point of drinking it is to get drunk (Chuck was probably always drunk) and getting drunk after losing your entire family in front of you is an understandable but not advisable thing to do in a zombie apocalypse, and i don't think kenny actually thought Ben's story was worse than his but it made him realise other people are really unhappy as well so maybe he should rethink how he treats him

    He was going to leave Lilly. If you have Doug with you, you get a scene where Lee tells Kenny to "hurry up with that thing" with a shot of Kenny struggling to start the up the RV. Also ,from his seat in the front he had no way of seeing where Lilly was while he was working and therefore didn't know she was coming when he started driving. It's interesting what people think of Beatrice's situation though. If it were me, I'd shoot her without hesitation. Can you imagine being slowly ripped apart and devoured? She was screaming for like five minutes. So for me, Kenny was an ass there. And Lee was not winning against Andy, he would've been shot if Lilly hadn't saved him. Besides, how is Kenny not an asshole for letting his friend die over one disagreement and ignoring all the times Lee saved his family?

    If he only realized other people have it just as bad a little sooner, hell if he just thought about anyone other than his family for once, he wouldn't have been such an ass.:(

  • Well, he actually did think of others in Episode 1. Unfortunately, it wasn't until a few moments before his "death" in Episode 5 that he started doing it again. Even though I was his best friend, there were some moments where he really was a huge jerk to others.

  • @MerakMissile2 said: He was going to leave Lilly. If you have Doug with you, you get a scene where Lee tells Kenny to "hurry up with that thing" with a shot of Kenny struggling to start the up the RV. Also ,from his seat in the front he had no way of seeing where Lilly was while he was working and therefore didn't know she was coming when he started driving. It's interesting what people think of Beatrice's situation though. If it were me, I'd shoot her without hesitation. Can you imagine being slowly ripped apart and devoured? She was screaming for like five minutes. So for me, Kenny was an ass there. And Lee was not winning against Andy, he would've been shot if Lilly hadn't saved him. Besides, how is Kenny not an asshole for letting his friend die over one disagreement and ignoring all the times Lee saved his family?

    If he only realized other people have it just as bad a little sooner, hell if he just thought about anyone other than his family for once, he wouldn't have been such an ass.:(

    he was in the driver seat he could have drove off at any time but he didn't, and if you think Lee needed Lilly to save him, that means that lilly is an ass for not saving him when you side with kenny, and as i said Lee didn't die any of the times Kenny didn't help so although help would be helpful he didn't actually need it.

    the way i see it with beatrice is that if time could have been paused and the neutral god of judgement could be summoned to decide (after a debate) on whether kenny and lee should risk their life and shoot her or let her die slower, i believe the neutral god of judgement would decide that stopping a few extra minutes of pain was not worth risking the lives of kenny and Lee and the supplies of the entire group, beatrice would be declared selfish and left to die by zombie and kenny and lee would get all the supplies.

    you can't remember pain if you are dead and she was dead either way.

  • @thestalkinghead said: he was in the driver seat he could have drove off at any time but he didn't, and if you think Lee needed Lilly to save him, that means that lilly is an ass for not saving him when you side with kenny, and as i said Lee didn't die any of the times Kenny didn't help so although help would be helpful he didn't actually need it.

    the way i see it with beatrice is that if time could have been paused and the neutral god of judgement could be summoned to decide (after a debate) on whether kenny and lee should risk their life and shoot her or let her die slower, i believe the neutral god of judgement would decide that stopping a few extra minutes of pain was not worth risking the lives of kenny and Lee and the supplies of the entire group, beatrice would be declared selfish and left to die by zombie and kenny and lee would get all the supplies.

    you can't remember pain if you are dead and she was dead either way.

    Like I said, he didn't drive off because he was still starting up the RV. And while I was ticked off that Lilly left Lee to die if you side with Kenny, I think doing so for crushing your father's head is much more understandable than doing so for disagreeing with you in one situation ,especially if Lee had already helped your family multiple times before. And Kenny isn't omniscient. He didn't know Lee would have survived without his help and left him fully aware that he could've die without him.

    The Beatrice thing really is interesting because so many people have such different opinions, huh?:D The way I see it, ol' judgement god would have decided a bit more trouble and risk for two able bodied adults was fair trade to make sure someone could avoid an excruciatingly painful and slow death.

  • With the RV situation, I think Kenny saying "Leave her" was something more along the lines of "If she won't get in, we won't stay for her" than "I hate that bitch, don't let her in." Even Lee is willing to leave her during the raid because instead of getting ready to leave, she's nearly in a trance shooting at the bandits. He says it's her last chance to get on, which is what finally snaps her out of it.

    Kenny leaving Lee to die in the drug store isn't very understandable, even if Lee survives anyway. There's nothing stopping Kenny from helping him but Kenny's personal feelings, and he lets his grudge get in the way of helping a group member. Not cool.

    Personally, I think leaving Beatrice is the lesser of two evils, since the group needs supplies. If it were possible, I'd have run out there and saved her, but after she got bitten, she was dead. The group needed as many supplies as it could get, and wasting those supplies just to end somebody's life a minute or so sooner isn't really worth it in my opinion.

  • @MerakMissile2 said: Like I said, he didn't drive off because he was still starting up the RV. And while I was ticked off that Lilly left Lee to die if you side with Kenny, I think doing so for crushing your father's head is much more understandable than doing so for disagreeing with you in one situation ,especially if Lee had already helped your family multiple times before. And Kenny isn't omniscient. He didn't know Lee would have survived without his help and left him fully aware that he could've die without him.

    The Beatrice thing really is interesting because so many people have such different opinions, huh?:D The way I see it, ol' judgement god would have decided a bit more trouble and risk for two able bodied adults was fair trade to make sure someone could avoid an excruciatingly painful and slow death.

    about the larry situation, you can't have it both ways, you can't decide to try and save Larry then go up to Kenny and say "sorry i made you do that alone and that i made you the bad guy, but you made the right choice in the end, please be my pal" what you do when you try to save larry is basically say to kenny that "the slim chance that larry may live is more important than the lives of everybody in the room and especially more important than your family who is potentially being killed right now"

    personally if i was in a position where i had to do what kenny did (and i believed 100% i had to do it just like kenny did at the time) and my 'friend' just says "no i'm not willing to make these kind of choices i will try the easy but potentially deadly option and forget about your family" i would be pissed at them and be all like "oh, did that door fall on you? and there is a zombie on top of it? well, i may just take the easy option a see if you can get yourself out of it"

    the beatrice thing is just a point of view thing i guess, but lee shooting could have just made all the zombies pile into the pharmacy or make it impossible to get into the pharmacy, and if i were in the position of Beatrice and i was fighting my case to the neutral god of judgement it would be my weakest and most cowardly argument to say that it was worth the risk of two people dying to save me pain, i would just (reluctantly) concede and made sure i made even more noise

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