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Kenny..really?

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its not another "kenny is alive "thread coz i dont want him in S2 but after few times of playing I decited f kenny -im 100% behind lilly.
i agree kenny can be a great guy if you are 100% with him but..why should you do that?
berely a day after you met him there is the duck argument in the drugstore,kenny is expecting lee to have his back even if we dont know duck is bitten wich is unfair towards lee.
on the argument with lilly in e2 lilly says :everyone started hating me coz im the 1 handeling the food rations" while kenny just complaining about how shitty job she is doing..she was the 1 to step and lead.not him.

meat locker :
Larry situation was pretty much same as the bitten-duck argument :
1.they both had a risk for coming back as a walker
2.rest of the group was closed with them (walkers outsie of the drugstore/locked at the meat locker)

3-thier condition was unknown (dead larry/bitten duck)

so when it was kenny's son -he wasnt bitten
when it was lilly's dad-he is dead
he didnt do it to protect the group - for me it was like a revange for the man that wanted to kill his son - and he is (again) expecting lee to help him kill lilly's only thing she got left.

argument in ep3 he want to abandon the only shelter they got coz he thinks after 3 months of the apocolypse there are boats left..really?

I chose the "go f yourself option n ep4..didnt have any patience to his games when clem is in danger

what do you think about the man and what are your opinion about these cases I mentioned?

excuse my english btw :P

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  • @loop hole said: Personally I think the man that kidnapped Clementine had more decency and was in a bad disposition, who broke down and lost his sanity after events that Lee's people caused.

    That's where you lost me. Saying the Stranger's a better human being than Kenny is going waaaaay overboard. Both are men pushed to the brink, but the similarities end there. If Kenny's mental state was on the same level as the Stranger's, he would have immediately snapped after Duck's death and thrown Clementine off the train just to get under Lee's skin.

    Ironically, your attitude towards Kenny isn't too different from Kenny's attitude towards Lee if he doesn't side with him in the meat locker.

  • @Danno123 said: Well, I sided with Kenny on every single thing, mainly not because he was my bro, but I, well, agreed with him.
    I saved Duck.
    I killed Larry.
    I stole the supplies.
    I left Lilly.
    I killed Duck for him.
    I agreed with him in basically everything.
    So meh.

    If you sided with Kenny on every single thing you would have got the "duckapocalypse" easter on the train when duck turns and eats everyone. The one time where the game makes you disagree with Kenny is on the train because if you don't you get the game over screen. Kenny wants to go to Savannah with Duck, Lee wants Duck off the train as do the rest of the group because he is endangering them. Telltale was showing there that Kenny isn't right about everything and if we back him all the way it will be at the cost of the group. As for letting the girl suffer that was just unnecessary. You can still get lots of supplies even if you shoot her you just have to work harder at it. Kenny takes the easy options at the expense of others. Letting the girl suffer made it easier to loot supplies, killing Larry made it easier to deal with being locked in the meat locker. In the end neither proved necessary.

    I agreed with Kenny on somethings myself. I didn't go against him on everything but I showed him I had my own mind and I wasn't gonna be his or anybody's bitch. I didn't like when the game made me do all of his dirty work, there was no way I was going to when I had an option to do differently. By his dirty work I mean when he sends you out like his lackey to look for a tool to break into the St Johns secret room whilst he has the group meal, when he gets you to work out how to fix the train whilst he sits at the controls, which are just a few examples that come to mind. I know that those segments have to be done by Lee/the player but he could have at least accompanied Lee and made it look like he was helping in some way. I felt like he was the guy calling all the shots once Lilly was out of the picture. Even some of the dialogue options like when Clem asks where we would be going and Lee can respond saying whatever Kenny thinks is best.

    I don’t know, I mean being his best friend wasn’t that important to me and there is no way I would have done the things he wanted without questioning him in real life. He had his views I had mine but he still ended up looking for Clem in one of my playthroughs after I made him feel guilty about being a uncaring. In my first play through I didn’t think I should have had to persuade him to help when Omid and Christa who knew me much less were willing to help me so I told him to fuck himself and cut him off for the rest of the game.

  • I didn't agree with Kenny on everything, but it's not hard to understand the reasoning behind taking from the RV and not risking your life to help someone who was already dead.

    Tried to set some standards, but pragmatism does have its place.

  • @loop hole said: If you sided with Kenny on every single thing you would have got the "duckapocalypse" easter on the train when duck turns and eats everyone. The one time where the game makes you disagree with Kenny is on the train because if you don't you get the game over screen. Kenny wants to go to Savannah with Duck, Lee wants Duck off the train as do the rest of the group because he is endangering them. Telltale was showing there that Kenny isn't right about everything and if we back him all the way it will be at the cost of the group. As for letting the girl suffer that was just unnecessary. You can still get lots of supplies even if you shoot her you just have to work harder at it. Kenny takes the easy options at the expense of others. Letting the girl suffer made it easier to loot supplies, killing Larry made it easier to deal with being locked in the meat locker. In the end neither proved necessary.

    I agreed with Kenny on somethings myself. I didn't go against him on everything but I showed him I had my own mind and I wasn't gonna be his or anybody's bitch. I didn't like when the game made me do all of his dirty work, there was no way I was going to when I had an option to do differently. By his dirty work I mean when he sends you out like his lackey to look for a tool to break into the St Johns secret room whilst he has the group meal, when he gets you to work out how to fix the train whilst he sits at the controls, which are just a few examples that come to mind. I know that those segments have to be done by Lee/the player but he could have at least accompanied Lee and made it look like he was helping in some way. I felt like he was the guy calling all the shots once Lilly was out of the picture. Even some of the dialogue options like when Clem asks where we would be going and Lee can respond saying whatever Kenny thinks is best.

    I don’t know, I mean being his best friend wasn’t that important to me and there is no way I would have done the things he wanted without questioning him in real life. He had his views I had mine but he still ended up looking for Clem in one of my playthroughs after I made him feel guilty about being a uncaring. In my first play through I didn’t think I should have had to persuade him to help when Omid and Christa who knew me much less were willing to help me so I told him to fuck himself and cut him off for the rest of the game.

    you just don't like kenny, agreeing with him isn't being his bitch or his lackey, it sounds like if kenny told you to protect Clementine you would not do it just to prove you aren't his bitch

  • I never saw him as a bad guy, just that he wasn't able to take it after the group went through so much shit. Hell, he was THE MAN in Episode 1. Granted, he may have left Shawn to die, but he openly admits that it was HIS fault if Lee tried to save him, and pretty much takes the guilt over that to his grave. Then, when the drug store is attacked because Larry needed the medicine, Kenny is the one who steps up and saves everyone. Lilly is basically panicking over what to do with her sick dad, while Kenny makes the plan, Kenny gets everyone out of there, and Kenny comes back to save Lee after Lilly's not-so-sick dad tries to kill him. The fact that Kenny also saves Lee no matter what choices he's made in Episode 1 makes me think that he started out as a good man, but just... deteriorated? That's a good word, I suppose. Deteriorated over the course of the season as things got worse and worse for everyone.

    He can be a real ass at times, no question. I, personally, wouldn't have been his friend if he had been like he was in Episode 4 when we first met him. It was everything he and Lee had been through at that point that kept them friends in my game. As for people on Team Kenny "bending over" for him in every decision, that's not true. I genuinely agreed with him on almost everything, but not everything. I left the food and shot the girl, the latter simply because Kenny wanted me to leave her. So in spite of that, he still saves me from the door falling on me, and gives me the bro speech at the end of Episode 4. It was said earlier in this thread, but Kenny starts to come around in Episode 5. He becomes much less selfish and assholish near the end, and if he does survive into Season 2, I can see him becoming the guy he was in Episode 1, someone that his family would be proud of again.

  • @Robert Morgan said: That's where you lost me. Saying the Stranger's a better human being than Kenny is going waaaaay overboard. Both are men pushed to the brink, but the similarities end there. If Kenny's mental state was on the same level as the Stranger's, he would have immediately snapped after Duck's death and thrown Clementine off the train just to get under Lee's skin.

    Ironically, your attitude towards Kenny isn't too different from Kenny's attitude towards Lee if he doesn't side with him in the meat locker.

    No you just misunderstand me.

    My point was Kenny behaved the way he did without having any mental health issues. That was his personality. His natural state was selfish but some of the choices he made involving people he knew were damn right wicked.

    When the stranger sought revenge is was against people he did not know, did not care about, people who he blamed for the loss of his loved ones in his crazed state. What did the stranger do exactly? He lured Clem to him. He planned to harm Lee's people out of revenge but didn't get to because they ended up dying by other causes. We don't even have any proof that he even killed the living during the time between him leaving Macon and him reaching Savannah. Kenny on the other hand did/attempted countless atrocities to members of the group who he had lived with for 3 months. The way the Larry incident occurred was something that he felt he needed to keep from his wife, that says something. Kenny leaving Lee to die twice out of spite as opposed to fear says something about the man's character. Kenny telling Lee to leave the woman to suffer so they can loot more food says multitudes. Not to mention when he suggested leaving Lilly during the bandit raid, in fact he attempted it but she jumped in after he peeled out.

    I'm saying some of Kenny's actions were damn right evil at the very least inhumane and that was before he lost his wife and son, he was just drunk and defeatist after that.

    The kidnapper in his twisted view believed he was the good guy saving Clem from a group that did wicked things because of what Clem was telling him. He was mostly after Kenny because what Clem told him and the way she said it. He knew Kenny was the most vocal and persuasive regarding the theft of his belongings.

    So in a nut shell i'm comparing the villains motivations and what we learn of his personality to what we experience of Kenny's behaviour and the incite we get of his personality and by that I say Kenny was less decent. The kidnapper had bad intentions but he was only really a problem from ep4-ep5. Kenny was a thorn in my side from ep2 onwards and many will agree that he was very much key in the break -down of the group with the meat locker incident. Not because Larry died but because of the way the situation was handled.

  • @thestalkinghead said: you just don't like kenny, agreeing with him isn't being his bitch or his lackey, it sounds like if kenny told you to protect Clementine you would not do it just to prove you aren't his bitch

    It is if what he tells you to do go against your morals and your gut feeling and you go with the flow anyway and it definitely is when you are carrying out instructions like a hench man or an employee. Am I really the only person noticing Kenny sending Lee into dangerous situations and hanging back in safe places? When Kenny storms out of the meat locker he wants to get the riffle leaning against the door near Danny but if you notice he stops part way so Lee will get the riffle for him even though Lee was against the idea, we are forced to attempt it any way. Then when he is in the barn stall he tells Lee to check to see where Danny is. Why doesn't he do it? He says he will back Lee up even if he is pissed at him about the meat locker incident but he only helps Lee is Lee didn't try and save Larry. That snake like behaviour. Then in ep 4 he tells Lee to sneak up on the person he suspects might be the guy on the radio, whilst he waits in the alley way. He says he will back Lee up but if you fail the fight sequence, Molly raises Hilda to kill you and the only thing that saves you is Clementine screaming no. Where was Kenny? Can you imagine how those scenarios would have played out if Carly was with Lee. Danny would have been shot on the spot, and Carly would have warned Molly off.

    What I find funny is when I have seen youtube playthroughs were Kenny has beaten the snot out of Lee, left him with a black eye and the player is still kissing Kenny’s arse.

    So yes, I do dislike Kenny but I think my reasons are valid, however I wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face, I wouldn't disagree with him just because I didn't like the way he behaved towards me earlier.

  • @loop hole said: It is if what he tells you to do go against your morals and your gut feeling and you go with the flow anyway and it definitely is when you are carrying out instructions like a hench man or an employee. Am I really the only person noticing Kenny sending Lee into dangerous situations and hanging back in safe places? When Kenny storms out of the meat locker he wants to get the riffle leaning against the door near Danny but if you notice he stops part way so Lee will get the riffle for him even though Lee was against the idea, we are forced to attempt it any way. Then when he is in the barn stall he tells Lee to check to see where Danny is. Why doesn't he do it? He says he will back Lee up even if he is pissed at him about the meat locker incident but he only helps Lee is Lee didn't try and save Larry. That snake like behaviour. Then in ep 4 he tells Lee to sneak up on the person he suspects might be the guy on the radio, whilst he waits in the alley way. He says he will back Lee up but if you fail the fight sequence, Molly raises Hilda to kill you and the only thing that saves you is Clementine screaming no. Where was Kenny? Can you imagine how those scenarios would have played out if Carly was with Lee. Danny would have been shot on the spot, and Carly would have warned Molly off.

    What I find funny is when I have seen youtube playthroughs were Kenny has beaten the snot out of Lee, left him with a black eye and the player is still kissing Kenny’s arse.

    So yes, I do dislike Kenny but I think my reasons are valid, however I wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face, I wouldn't disagree with him just because I didn't like the way he behaved towards me earlier.

    this whole lackey/henchman argument is weak, he just knows Lee is capable of doing the things he suggest which is why he is a good leader and my Lee wanted to do them anyway, you just don't know what a bro is and your dislike for Kenny is clouding your judgement

  • Kenny is far from being a "bro" - he was just looking for someone to have his back even if he is wrong. if he was a bro he would understand lee can make his decisions by himself and not acting like a little crying boy when lee doesnt agree with him
    adding some points on edit : I chose the "go f yourself" option in ep 4 because he puts clem in damger to many times for me to let him come & he was an a$$hole to me so.. :P

    he left lee for dead in ep3 without thinking about what happends if the walkers would have kill lee - no guardian for clem,Lilly wasnt in shape to guard any1 and kenny got his family.
    when the "speach" comes in ep4 I thought "does he really going to play with me those games of "u werent/were there so im not coming?" really? when clementine's life are on the line?

  • What exactly is a 'bro'?

    I keep hearing that word around the forum and it almost always refers to Kenny.

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