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Ben POSSIBLY saved the life of Kenny, Lee, Lilly and clem

posted by KilledLarry on - last edited - Viewed by 790 users

i say possibly because it can and no doubt wull be debated, think about it.

Had he not met Lee in the woods, he would never have told them about the fact that you dont need to get bit to turn, and im sure the St johns would have still came to the motor inn if ben was not around, meaning Lee would have still been in the situation with the meat locker, accept they would not have killed larry, Larry MAY have come back, and while everyone was confused about what the hell was going on, larry would have most likley bit lilly....and then who knows what would have happend after that?

But at the same time, i truley beleive that even the SMALLESTS thing can change the outcome of a day, week or a month....if that makes sense? so who knows.

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  • If they never met Ben they wouldn't have been told that you come back from death as a walker even if your not bitten. Kenny wouldn't have been as scared as he was in the meat locker and would of acted more rationally. He could have helped Lee remove the vent instead of panicking about the probability of Larry reanimating.

    In my opinion Larry could have been revived, the same way Maggie was revived with CPR in the graphic novel and if Ben hadn't returned with Lee to the motor inn, Larry would have survived beyond the dairy farm and Lilly wouldn't have snapped and killed Carly. They wouldn't have been as vulnerable to bandit attacks as someone more suitable would have been on watch. They probably wouldn't of had to leave and go to Savannah since that was Kenny's plan and the majority were happy to stay at the motor inn and didn't want to go unless they knew where they were going to, including Clem.

    Personally I don't think Ben saved anyone. Rick's group went a lot longer than 3 months before they learned that is wasn't the bites that turn you and they did alright. They didn't learn about everyone being infected until they got to the prison. If the ST Johns shot Larry or shanked him before putting him in the meat locker then I would say Ben's info would have been life saving but considering Larry wasn't confirmed dead I would say the info caused more harm than good since it created panic.

    Come to think of it even if the group never met Ben Lee would have no doubt learned from Danny at Joleen's camp that you have to destroy the brain since he knew to shoot Joleen in her head. Danny seemed to know that people turn even if they don't die from being bitten that is why the cannibals were keeping their victims alive when they were feeding of them.

  • @DomeWing333 said: That...doesn't really follow. How does Ben not being there = nothing happening to the dairy? Ben had almost nothing to do with the dairy being overrun and the bandits attacking.



    Ben was giving the bandits food from the inn bud. Did you ever play the game?

  • @loop hole said: If they never met Ben they wouldn't have been told that you come back from death as a walker even if your not bitten. Kenny wouldn't have been as scared as he was in the meat locker and would of acted more rationally. He could have helped Lee remove the vent instead of panicking about the probability of Larry reanimating.

    In my opinion Larry could have been revived, the same way Maggie was revived with CPR in the graphic novel and if Ben hadn't returned with Lee to the motor inn, Larry would have survived beyond the dairy farm and Lilly wouldn't have snapped and killed Carly. They wouldn't have been as vulnerable to bandit attacks as someone more suitable would have been on watch. They probably wouldn't of had to leave and go to Savannah since that was Kenny's plan and the majority were happy to stay at the motor inn and didn't want to go unless they knew where they were going to, including Clem.



    The part with Larry being alive and Lilly not snapping and killing Carley/Doug doesn't really have anything to do with them being forced to leave the motor inn. As long as the farm fell, the bandits were going to attack and drive them out.

    The only part of this that kinda works as an argument for Ben being the cause of the trouble is the part about him being on watch. Even then, it's a bit of a stretch to say the bandits wouldn't have been a problem if only Lee's group had had a different set of eyes watching the bandits shoot volleys of arrows at their walls. The bandits would have only been more aggressive if Ben didn't slip them supplies. Hell, by doing so, Ben might have actually bought the group enough time to get the RV working (it was still barely working when they escaped, who knows what state it was in a few days before).

  • @Ehkay said: Ben was giving the bandits food from the inn bud. Did you ever play the game?



    He was giving them food from the inn (drugs, actually) because the bandits were attacking, not the other way around. The only reason the bandits started attacking was because they couldn't get food from the farm anymore...because Lee fucked up the St. Johns...which Ben had nothing to do with.

  • Okay so tell me how did he save them then? Because of him Lilly left who could have kept us alive and the inn was an amazing defense and it is his fault that we were forced to move.

  • @Bad_Luck_Ben said: Ben did NOT killed Kenny's family. In fact he delayed their inevitable deaths. Ben's stealing supply prevented the bandits from attacking for some time. Had he not done it, the bandits would have attacked the camp from the beginning, so the outcome is still the same, but sooner.
    Second, in Crawford Ben didn't intentionally let the walker in. I suppose the zombies weren't there when Ben took the axe and he didn't know the zombies were on the other side because if they were Ben wouldn't have taken it and he would have been killed right after he did it. Also Brie would have become a traitor along with the rest of the cancer survivals so i don't see anything wrong with Ben letting her die.



    He got Katjaa and Duck killed, as well as Brie and Chuck. You even said it yourself, he was stealing from the group. The fact that he may have prevented the bandit's attack by doing it means nothing, because he was stealing valuable supplies from the group without anyone knowing. What if Lilly got shot during one of the bandit's attacks (because they HAD attacked before), or Clem got sick? Maybe Kenny's gunshot wound gets infected. The group goes to get medicine for any of those, and what do you know, they don't have any. Because Ben was too busy stealing it from them, someone else would have died. The fact that he didn't bother to let anyone know what he was doing could have gotten them all killed (and did, in Kat and Duck's case).

    Ben abandons a little girl to die in the street, after being explicitly told by Lee to save her. Chuck has to jump in and save the day, and we all know what happened to him. Also, the fact that Vernon's group would have stolen the boat the next day does not excuse Ben's letting in the walkers. You couldn't know that at the time. He gets her, and possibly even Molly, killed due to his own incompetence. The fact that he didn't intentionally let the walkers in means absolutely nothing. Barely an hour earlier, he had fled, along with everyone else, up those very same stairs to flee a horde of walkers. He removes it from those very same doors after they are covered in blood, and are now barricaded. Let's not also forget that the hatchet that he took from the handles was the very same one that he handed to Lee back at the house, right before they set out for Crawford. There is no way any normal, competent person would have made that same mistake!

    I'm not saying that Ben is a bad guy, but I AM saying that he deserves a great deal of the hate he gets. He may never have intended for anything bad to happen, but the facts remain that nearly everything he does, he fails at, if not getting someone killed in the process.

  • He also may have saved Mark, Lee, and Kenny as if none of his group met up with them, they may have kept going after the bear trap. This could cause them to meet a fatal end by the bandits who Ben and his crew were fleeing from.

  • @Ehkay said: Okay so tell me how did he save them then? Because of him Lilly left who could have kept us alive and the inn was an amazing defense and it is his fault that we were forced to move.



    See, you keep saying that and I keep telling you that there's no reason to think it would have played out any better if he weren't there. The bandits were getting desperate. They were going to force the group to move sooner or later. All Ben did by slipping the bandits supplies was potentially move it to "later."

    And I'm not even arguing that Ben did save the group. I'm just saying that blaming him for the bandits attacking doesn't make sense given the situation they were in. However, I do think that him telling the group that you turn no matter what was overall helpful because that kind of knowledge is pretty crucial in a zombie apocalypse. Maybe it kept Larry from being saved, maybe it kept Larry from turning unexpectedly in the meat locker and killing everyone. Who knows? The point is, Ben wasn't the one who dropped the salt-lick on Larry's head. That was all Kenny (and maybe Lee if you're like me.) And blaming Ben for Kenny acting irrationally is...well, irrational.

  • Sadly telling them about turning was literally the only thing he did for the group aside from being on watch a few times or being an extra gun during the raid on the mansion EP5.

  • @Rock114 said: He got Katjaa and Duck killed, as well as Brie and Chuck. You even said it yourself, he was stealing from the group. The fact that he may have prevented the bandit's attack by doing it means nothing, because he was stealing valuable supplies from the group without anyone knowing. What if Lilly got shot during one of the bandit's attacks (because they HAD attacked before), or Clem got sick? Maybe Kenny's gunshot wound gets infected. The group goes to get medicine for any of those, and what do you know, they don't have any. Because Ben was too busy stealing it from them, someone else would have died. The fact that he didn't bother to let anyone know what he was doing could have gotten them all killed (and did, in Kat and Duck's case).

    Ben abandons a little girl to die in the street, after being explicitly told by Lee to save her. Chuck has to jump in and save the day, and we all know what happened to him. Also, the fact that Vernon's group would have stolen the boat the next day does not excuse Ben's letting in the walkers. You couldn't know that at the time. He gets her, and possibly even Molly, killed due to his own incompetence. The fact that he didn't intentionally let the walkers in means absolutely nothing. Barely an hour earlier, he had fled, along with everyone else, up those very same stairs to flee a horde of walkers. He removes it from those very same doors after they are covered in blood, and are now barricaded. Let's not also forget that the hatchet that he took from the handles was the very same one that he handed to Lee back at the house, right before they set out for Crawford. There is no way any normal, competent person would have made that same mistake!

    I'm not saying that Ben is a bad guy, but I AM saying that he deserves a great deal of the hate he gets. He may never have intended for anything bad to happen, but the facts remain that nearly everything he does, he fails at, if not getting someone killed in the process.



    He failed at things because he was a kid. Lee also stated that you shouldn't expect him to act like an adult because he's not. Also, it was not entirely his fault that the group got in that situation. It was the group's fault for killing the st.John which lead to the bandits' attack. It was Kenny and/or Lee fault for killing Larry which made Lily snapped. It was Kenny's fault for insisting on getting a boat, which lead the group to Savanna. It was Kenny and Omid's fault that the group had to go to Crawford. It was Clementine's fault that Kenny and/or Ben died and Lee got bit and died. So yeah, every single one of them made the situation, don't just blame it on Ben.

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