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I've made analysis posts about different characters

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Does anyone want to read them?

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  • There's a TVtropes page on Mauve Shirts, if you're interested in reading a bit more into it.

    These are some really good analyses, Visam! Keep up the good work. :)

  • @Audren said: There's a TVtropes page on Mauve Shirts, if you're interested in reading a bit more into it.

    These are some really good analyses, Visam! Keep up the good work. :)



    Ah Tvtropes. Love that place.

    And thank you. I plan to make more when I can come up with more things to write about. I wanted to make an analysis post about Doug but for the life of me I can't think of anything to write.

  • I am sure you will figure out a angel for Doug, you could do something for Carley also.

  • @Visambros said: Why Ben screamed for help

    trigger warning: suicide

    A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.

    But what about from a plot perspective?

    Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.

    By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.

    So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.

    And then Lee drops him.

    There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.

    When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.

    So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.

    But it’s too late.



    yeah i always thought of ben as being depressed, his desire to make Lee drop him wasn't some redeeming altruistic act of self sacrifice for the good of the group, Ben just simply felt worthless and thought being dead would be better than being alive

  • @Visambros said: Why Ben screamed for help

    trigger warning: suicide

    A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.

    But what about from a plot perspective?

    Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.

    By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.

    So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.

    And then Lee drops him.

    There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.

    When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.

    So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.

    But it’s too late.



    Glad I pulled him up then. I've seen people drop him, I've seen him scream as he falls to his death, I've seen his head move slightly to show he's still alive, only to be eaten by walkers. Hire this guy TellTale, do it!

  • Someone asked this on Tumblr (original post here)

    No, but you know what really surprised me.

    80% of people spared Andy St. John and only 62% of people saved Ben.

    Like, Ben’s a complete passenger and he accidentally killed a bunch of people, but the St. Johns killed even more people deliberately, tricked most of the group into eating Mark’s legs, caused the death of Larry and were planning to kill the group and trade their meat. Plus Andy himself grabbed Clementine by the hair and held a gun against her head.

    Can someone please explain this to me?


    So I answered them

    I can’t give you a definite answer, but I can try to explain what I think the reason for this is.

    Killing or sparing the St. John brothers is, to many people, about succumbing to the darkness that comes with taking revenge. If you choose to kill Danny and Andy, though you will not be as bad as them, a piece of your morality will be lost. Clementine witnessing what you did also plays a factor for people’s choices.

    Killing Ben, on the other hand, is influenced by perceiving him as a long term detriment to the group. In the entire game, Ben does more harm than good despite meaning well. Dropping him at the bell tower is seen, to some people, as getting rid of a dangerous burden. Also, Clementine isn’t around when you get to drop him and you don’t have to tell her what you did.

    In short:
    Killing/Saving the St. Johns = taking revenge or keeping your morals.

    Killing/Saving Ben = necessary evil or second chance

  • Someone on tumblr said this (Original post here)

    "nate only killed those old people because the guy was shooting at him first for no reason!"

    ok but

    the game heavily implies that nate had been at the pit stop at some point before he came across russell

    [I][LIST]
    [*][I]when nate is trying to convince you to run over to the truck after the first few shots are fired, if you choose, “i’m gonna get shot!”, nate replies: “no you won’t! this guy can’t hit the broad side of a barn!” he seems to know the skill of the sniper (or even the fact that the sniper is an old man), despite only coming across him less than a minute prior.

    [*]he seems to know his way around the gas station pretty well, even though he claims he and russ had never been there before and were just “passing through like anyone else.” he knows exactly where to go to take cover from walt’s bullets, and starts almost instinctively walking to the back lot of the diner before russell can even dust himself off. the whole thing just seems very routine, like nate had gone through it before.
    [*]the most important tip-off is when russell asks nate what walt is talking about when he accuses nate of attacking them once before. russell says, “a mask? what’s this guy talking about?” nate replies, “fuck if i know, he’s crazy.” russell isn’t convinced, and asks in a very accusatory tone, “have you been here before?” nate doesn’t deny it. he doesn’t say, “no” or “hell no, man!” or anything of that sort. he says, “russell, don’t you start.”
    [*]i guess my question is: why would telltale even have russell ask nate if he had been there before if they didn’t want to imply that nate had? why would they have nate reply with dodgy answers if they didn’t want to insinuate that he had something to hide?
    [/LIST][/I]

    we don’t know much about nate’s past or what he had been up to before he came across russell, but i think it’s safe to say that, given the game’s implications, he had come across walt and his wife at least once before the confrontation in russell’s story. then, once he picked up russ, had gone back to do exactly what walt had accused him of: finish them off and take all their stuff.[/I]

    This is the rebuttal I made

    You make very good points, but I would like to make a rebuttal if you don’t mind.

    [LIST]
    [*]Nate does say that the old man can’t hit very well, but he is wrong. Walt is actually a very skilled shooter. He was able to blow out the tires of Nate’s truck very quickly when Nate and Russell were pushing it; if Russell doesn’t cover for Nate he gets shot pretty fast, which means that Walt can hit a moving target from quite a distance away; and if Russell stands still while trying to go from cover to cover, the man will shoot him pretty quickly as well. He shouldn’t be able to do that if he “can’t hit the board side of a barn”.
    [*]If you look at the layout of both in and outside of the diner and gas station, you’d see that it is not very complicated at all. Just a quick look around and Nate would be able to see where to take cover. And when he was covering for Russell, he would have seen Walt shooting from the diner and know to go there.
    [*]Telltale would have Russell accuse Nate because that’s one of the ways you can play him. In Russell’s story, you can either be friendly towards Nate or very antagonistic and distrustful. Him asking Nate if he’s been there before would be showing his lack to confidence in the other man. Also, Nate has already said that he hasn’t been there to Walt, so he doesn’t need to say no when Russell asks him if he’s been there before.
    [/LIST]

    If you look at it the with the evidence you put, then it would seem that Nate was there before. But it you look at all the things I’ve said, it wouldn’t seem likely at all. We really don’t know. Maybe it’ll be revealed in season two.

  • Yet another great post, you really need to do more of those, I just love it.

  • I'd agree that there's nothing conclusive proving whether Nate's been there before one way or another. Nate may well have dismissed Walt's accuracy in an attempt to comfort Russell and encourage him to run for it. Nate does seem to care for Russell, albeit in an odd sort of way.

    The gas station doesn't look very complicated, that is true, but Nate still seems to have a pretty good grasp on how to get around there. He wouldn't exactly have a whole lot of time to survey the area, after all.

    Ultimately, I believe that Nate had been there before, but it's far from certain. Perhaps we'll find out in Season 2, perhaps not.

  • It has both pros and cons, but even if he was not there it still makes him a asshole for just killing those folk, and how eager he was to kill them good be a clue.

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