Where the hell is Sam & Max Season 3

[Agent P29]

We have not herd anything at all about Sam & Max Season 3 What Gives

[Shwoo]

I think they pushed it back to work on some pirate game or something.

[Bruno83]

What Gives
They are currently very busy releasing some other exellent games!
A game Company should never stick to just one series you know.

Don't worry
Season 3 will come!;)

[RMJ1984]

Its not bad that Sam & Max is waiting, with the looks on how Monkey Island is, more moving just not talking, but action, more detail, im pretty sure we can expect all this and more in Sam & Max Season 3 :)

[Ribs]

It is sure to be the best season after more than a year and a half between to plan.

[Hero1]

They are in the early stages of designing Sam & Max Season 3.. I was just thinking with all the momentum monkey island has..if that finishes in november, it would be great if episode 1 of s&m s3 came out in december, so it followed on right after ToMI. I don't know if that gives them enough time though.

[corruptbiggins]

I'd imagine we'd start to hear more stuff about season 3 around the time the 4th episode of Tales is being released (around October I guess) and I wouldn't be surprised to see the first episode released in December but probably more likely early 2010.

[Shwoo]

I remember reading that they're aiming to release a new game every quarter, so it may be possible that it's out before December.

[Rather Dashing]

From what I can tell, they had at most half a year before release to work on Monkey Island. With five episodes for Tales, I could see episode 1 of Sam and Max: Season Three releasing at the tail end of that or right afterwords.

[MaxFan]

I thought I saw Jake post somewhere in all the Monkey Island discussion in not-really veiled terms that the reason Jared wasn't doing music for ToMI was because he was busy scoring up Season 3.

Ah yes, only in the Private Pirates forum, here it is (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130026&postcount=380) though it's just saying he'll be doing it as it turns out.

[adventureaddict]

I'm not too worried since TOMI is keeping me busy, but I'm sure we most definetly won't see it til the end of Wallace & Gromit..which, I'm sorry but I don't know how much longer that has to go =\
I would be delighted if it was the start of the new year. Before then is even better.


Also this:
"rhymes with schmam and schmax schmeasson schmee"
made me laugh.

[der_ketzer]

The Monkey in my pocket stole it.
And he took all my change. Bad Monkey!

[Bruno83]

@adventureaddict: There is only onle episode left to go for wallace and gromit!

[adventureaddict]

@adventureaddict: There is only onle episode left to go for wallace and gromit!

Oooh, that makes things interesting then!

[jobney76]

If it's going to be controlled like ToMI please give us the option to change the movement controls to be like Grim Fandango / Escape from Monkey Island. They were like first person shooter controls. More like driving an RC car. W = Forward, A/D rotate, S = backwards.

[Maxilyah]

I was disappointed when it had been a while since I'd heard anything about season three as well. When they said they were releasing Tales of Monkey Island, that made everything better. :)

[natlinxz]

They were like first person shooter controls. More like driving an RC car. W = Forward, A/D rotate, S = backwards.

You dissin' ma "Alone in the Dark"?

[Icedhope]

I think they pushed it back to work on some pirate game or something. Did you just refer to MI as some pirate game?

[Shwoo]

Yes, but I was joking. I'm a big Monkey Island fan.

[Icedhope]

lol I was about to say. "Who doesn't know monkey island." Yeah after MI I think sam and max will be back full force.

[roberttitus]

@adventureaddict: There is only onle episode left to go for wallace and gromit!

Which makes me very sad... It is my favorite Telltale series. Sam & Max is a close #2 though.

[Bruno83]

yeah.
Wallace and Gromit was way too short.
some more episodes wouldn't hurt.

[Homestarlover]

I heard Telltale will release it sometime this fall, but they could be wrong.

[seson3churious]

I didn't hear anything, I'm just hopping that it will come out quick because I'm felling a little dizzy :(

[Shwoo]

I heard Telltale will release it sometime this fall, but they could be wrong.
Where'd you hear that?

[Secret Fawful]

A forum member went to Comic Con and heard that we'd POSSIBLY MAYBE be seeing it around November or December.

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10858

[Chuck]

A forum member went to Comic Con and Telltale told him that we'd be seeing it around November or December.
No, actually, a forum member went to Comic Con and said that he thought the season would start at the end of the year but doesn't remember where he heard that and might have just dreamed it.

Please be careful attributing stuff to Telltale, because it gets picked up and then turned into people complaining that something hasn't happened when Telltale "promised" it would. Stuff changes all the time, so please don't take something as "Telltale said" unless it's coming from an official announcement.

[stoney1981]

As long as they release it at all :) I hope Sam & Max gets a few more seasons. And i hope it stays Point & Click. ;)

[Fury]

Telltale isn't a massive company, one game series at a time is good enough for me.

Although monkey island should NEVER STOP PRODUCTION

[stoney1981]

It´s not that small anymore. In one thread they said they have 50+ employees by now. Yes, "Tales Of Monkey Island" and "Sam & Max" should be the main series for Telltale :) I would lie if i´d say that i dont wanna see more of Sam & Max.

[Hyperkinetic_Martian]

As Sam once said, "patience is a sharp razor to swallow". I'm craving some more Sam and Max action too, but I rather have Telltale games take their sweet time to make Season 3 well worth the wait :D

[Mike Haley]

A forum member went to Comic Con and heard that we'd POSSIBLY MAYBE be seeing it around November or December.

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10858
I NEVER said November OR December. Someone may have said "possibly at the end of this year," but that is far from a confirmation. Besides, I was using subtle sarcasm in that thread. An archaic thing that I should probably avoid using on these forums from now on.

For a more definitive Comic-Con report with less BS, see my blog:
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10864

[Secret Fawful]

No, actually, a forum member went to Comic Con and said that he thought the season would start at the end of the year but doesn't remember where he heard that and might have just dreamed it.

Please be careful attributing stuff to Telltale, because it gets picked up and then turned into people complaining that something hasn't happened when Telltale "promised" it would. Stuff changes all the time, so please don't take something as "Telltale said" unless it's coming from an official announcement.

Yeah, sorry. I just misread what he said, saw that someone asked where it was said, and replied to that. I'll look closer before quoting stuff about new games.

Now I feel kinda bad about it.

[Inika_Unite77]

I heard on facebook they were working on it until they gained rights for Monkey island

[Hellerphant]

Telltale have really stepped up their abilities to develop great games, especially with the Wallace and Gromit and Tales of Monkey Island series. I'd expect when S&M Season 3 does drop we are going to be in for the most rewarding Sam & Max adventure yet....

I still love Hit the Road :)

[thatdude98]

I agree that TMI and S&M need to continue production. S&M season 3... (sighs) the possibilities.

[Homestarlover]

Where'd you hear that?

Wikipedia

[City Of Delusion]

Wikipedia

Speculation, then. I think they'll formally announce Sam & Max Season 3 around the release of ToMI episode 4 or 5, and I doubt they'll release the first episode this year. But we'll see.

[thatdude98]

Season Three... :eek:

[DDshoeshowz]

I'm just even happy that they're realeasing a third season!

[lecharles]

When they finaly do release this game, it's going to be awesome! Finaly, NO MORE SODA POPPERS! Whizzer's bladder issue jokes were starting to get old.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

Finaly, NO MORE SODA POPPERS!

Where did you hear that?

Just because they died last season, doesn't mean they can't still come back, killed-off characters have come back before remember: Hugh Bliss, SCP, Brady Culture...:rolleyes:

[Lena_P]

Considering they were burned alive in a pit of lava, I'm sure they'll return ... as Darth Poppers! There's an easter egg for the DVD release!

[Butterscotch-Biros]

There's an easter egg for the DVD release!

I'm sure. I'm sure...

[The Highway]

I'm just even happy that they're realeasing a third season!

Yeah. But if it takes more than 2 years from now, I just MIGHT lose my patience. :D

[Hero1]

Just think of it like a HBO series where sometimes you have to wait a year or two for the next season..

[Butterscotch-Biros]

Does anyone think all this speculation and all this waiting will make the series 3 feel crap and not worth it in comparison of what we thought it might have been? :(

[bobdevis]

Does anyone think all this speculation and all this waiting will make the series 3 feel crap and not worth it in comparison of what we thought it might have been? :(

Naaaah. Telltale are getting better and better. If your expectation is within reason it will be fine :)

[Shwoo]

I just hope they don't get rid of the supporting cast. I like those guys.

[Woodsyblue]

I wouldn't be surprised if the first episodes of Season 3 overlapped with the final episode(s) of TMI. Remember, they released both Season 1 and Season 2 near the end of the year. (Oct 2006 and Nov 2007 respectively.)

When they finaly do release this game, it's going to be awesome! Finaly, NO MORE SODA POPPERS! Whizzer's bladder issue jokes were starting to get old.

They weren't even funny when they were fresh :p

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I wouldn't be surprised if the first episodes of Season 3 overlapped with the final episode(s) of TMI. Remember, they released both Season 1 and Season 2 near the end of the year. (Oct 2006 and Nov 2007 respectively.)

It's likely through another perspective - TMI Season One overlapped the last episode of Wallace and Gromit Season One.

[Woodsyblue]

If we don't hear about Season 3 by the end of TMI then I think a small uprising is on the agenda :D

[Butterscotch-Biros]

Good to know. :cool:

So according to wikipedia's scheldue of TMI, we uprise December the 1st.

[Woodsyblue]

That's the plan :)

[riappi]

Where did you hear that?

Just because they died last season, doesn't mean they can't still come back, killed-off characters have come back before remember: Hugh Bliss, SCP, Brady Culture...:rolleyes:

While you make a point about death in the S&M universe, the death of the soda poppers seemed to be more of a joke between the fan base and the writers. The way the poppers were handled in season 2 was a nod to fans not liking them and with their evil villain stereo type of a last scene, them saying they would be back only to have the lava come down on them seemed to be the exclamation point of "no they won't, we get it and give in! - love, the writers."

To bring them back would take away from that punchline and considering how well it was executed, it would be shame to do that.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

While you make a point about death in the S&M universe, the death of the soda poppers seemed to be more of a joke between the fan base and the writers. The way the poppers were handled in season 2 was a nod to fans not liking them and with their evil villain stereo type of a last scene, them saying they would be back only to have the lava come down on them seemed to be the exclamation point of "no they won't, we get it and give in! - love, the writers."

To bring them back would take away from that punchline and considering how well it was executed, it would be shame to do that.

I'm just pointing out the possibility, I don't actually want them back.

[ig0rpwnwEd]

All this whining is driving me nuts! People keep asking for new series, but keep whining about the delay of this! Telltale is a small company. In order to release everything one year after the next, they'd have to at least cancel one series or abbreviate the seasons for a new series! If there really needs to be a new series, I think that they should run on a three season pattern. Three seasons come out for series x y or z, and then it goes on hiatus for two years.

[bambi]

Where the Hell ?

[Butterscotch-Biros]

If we don't hear about Season 3 by the end of TMI then I think a small uprising is on the agenda :D

Ah! Just checked Tales of Monkey Island wiki. The last episode is to be released in November/December. That's not the November projection. And as Telltale don't release their games fully into December, as the Sam and Max gaming scheldue show.

Maybe we won't get any S+M until...gulp...January...

[Hero1]

I'm gonna expect it early 2010 and if it gets released earlier I'll be pleasantly surprised

[tbm1986]

It would make sense to start releasing Season 3, considering Season 1 Episode 1 was released in 2006 and Season 2's opening episode 2008, in 2010. I think it'll be hard to beat S1&2 (S2 was slightly better for me and both better than Tales, which I think is brilliant). But the groove they're in at the moment, they're capable of great things.

After that, another Wallace & Gromit? Leisure Suit Larry? Grim Fandango? DuckTales? The end of Bone? A new Monkey Island? Something entirely new? Who knows.

[ted12]

Ditto. TTG would never deprive clamoring fans of their favorite franchise. Granted, I would like another Bone game, but Sam and Max are much more important. Also-Leisure Suit Larry? Really? Sorry that series died. Besides, I'd like something more original, anyways.

[tbm1986]

Ditto. TTG would never deprive clamoring fans of their favorite franchise. Granted, I would like another Bone game, but Sam and Max are much more important. Also-Leisure Suit Larry? Really? Sorry that series died. Besides, I'd like something more original, anyways.

Monkey Island and (as a computer game franchise) Sam & Max died too, but Telltale resurrected those.

[PimPamPet]

I don't think anyone wants to touch LSL with a ten-foot pole for a while. It's reputation has been tainted too much by the last few titles. Unless Al Lowe gets personally involved, they should just leave it be.

[Icedhope]

I don't think anyone wants to touch LSL with a ten-foot pole for a while. It's reputation has been tainted too much by the last few titles. Unless Al Lowe gets personally involved, they should just leave it be.

I don't think Al Lowe will touch it either...at least til he gets the rights back, and then we will see about a new game.

[tbm1986]

I don't think Al Lowe will touch it either...at least til he gets the rights back, and then we will see about a new game.

He never had the rights in the first place, Sierra did. Telltale must approach them, then get Al Lowe on board.

[Lena_P]

I'd kind of like to see what they could do with Bone now that they've got more freedom in how they set scenes with the W&G and ToMI interface. I know it's unpopular (so please, no flaming) but Bone is an epic-y series, so the fancy camera angles would really help it out a lot. Not to mention they've got a much better handle on what they're capable of development schedule-wise. Not that I'm expecting a reboot any time soon, I'm just saying that's a series I'd love to see them come back to eventually. It'd be a helluva yardstick.

[Megaace]

I want a second Monkey Island game.
I want a second Wallace & Gromit season.
Telltale MUST finish the Bone games.
No more Strong Bad, please.

And what Telltale really need to change themes is a sci-fi adventure. Something like The Dig 2 or a new Space Quest would be perfect...

[Sanin92]

I want a second Monkey Island game.
I want a second Wallace & Gromit season.
Telltale MUST finish the Bone games.
No more Strong Bad, please.

And what Telltale really need to change themes is a sci-fi adventure. Something like The Dig 2 or a new Space Quest would be perfect...

This man speeks truth.

More MI and Wallace, and Sam and Max are always great too.

But for heavens, no more Strongbad, pretty please.

[PimPamPet]

Now that I've finally played it recently, I think Strong Bad is "just OK". I didn't really like or dislike it. Perhaps because I wasn't familiar with the characters before. I somewhat enjoyed the game, but it didn't really compare in terms of quality to the other Telltale games I've played.

[tbm1986]

I found Strong Bad sorta funny, just not laugh-aloud funny. I found it hard to get into.

[MaxFan]

It does feel like I've been waiting for a new Sam & Max season forever already. Strong Bad was very hit and miss for me, but the same is true of the content it was based off of. Wallace and Gromit was ok but a little slow. Monkey Island has so far been pretty good (err, excellent for most developers but only pretty good for Telltale), has yet to live up to Season 2 of Sam & Max, definite potential to get there.

[Hero1]

Well Sam & Max is a particular brand of humor, you don't really get it from anywhere else. Soo this is why I'm still really excited about a new season..

[Butterscotch-Biros]

The waiting = Builds up the hype.

The hype = If increased too much, ruins your playing experience of season 3.

Angry Players = Developers making the series, make it totally different to appeal to fans.


^ I really hope this doesn't happen. :(

[tbm1986]

I hope they resume Sam & Max S3 while they're compiling the TMI DVD then announce in late Jan the new season, complete with first episode release late March.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I hope they resume Sam & Max S3 while they're compiling the TMI DVD then announce in late Jan the new season, complete with first episode release late March.

I wouldn't be happy with the late March release - I've got exams in June again, so it would interfere deeply.

[Candyghost]

A lot of MI... A season per year till end of times would be just what I need :D:D:D

Another Sam&Max and 2 titles I'd like to see them to make are of course Larry but also Indiana Jones. I just can't live with the fact Lucas makes new Indy games only for consoles and that they make them as Action Games. I just need Indiana Jones to come back with a great Adventure Game and I'm convice TTG can make something big with it.

[Trogdorman]

My only games of choice: Strong Bad and Sam and Max, and maybe Wallace and Gromit, I don't really get Monkey Island. but anyways, I can't wait for Season 3 of Sam and Max

[thatdude98]

But for heavens sake, make another Strongbad, pretty please.

Fixed. :D

I liked SBCG4AP, and I had never heard of Homestar Runner before!

[BlankCanvasDJ]

I'm a fan of Strongbad and Homestar Runner but I just could not get into the games. I dunno why. They're hilarious in little animated shorts, but over the course of a couple hours...I guess it was just hard to connect with a setting and characters that have such a small link to reality.

The games looked amazing, though.

[Randulf]

I did not know about Strong Bad before TT did the series. Now that I've played the game I found the characters endearing enough -- if not for Marzipan I'd have loved the games much more.

[seanparkerfilms]

Overall, I enjoyed the Strong Bad episodes (I think it peaked with Baddest of the Bands), but I view them as "Telltale Lite." They were fun and had some good moments, but it wasn't as great as their other stuff and I was a bit tired of it by the end. In contrast, I absolutely loved what they've done with Sam & Max and it's brightened my days many a time, and hope they work more on their "top tier" franchise (haven't played Monkey Island or Wallace & Gromit just yet). I really would rather see Telltale play to their strengths or make an original game rather than a second season of Strong Bad.

Although if they did make a second season, I probably would buy it. Wonderful hypocrite I am...

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I really would rather see Telltale play to their strengths or make an original game rather than a second season of Strong Bad.

Yeah, after seeing the improvement of Sam and Max in season 2, I just want it to get better and better, and I know it can - it has so much potential after all...

[Lemmingsmeister]

If Season 3 is as good as Season 2, I'll be happy, even if it's not "better". If it avoids all the glitzy, flashy video stuff that makes W&G and TMI unplayable on my system (I have a good system, but it's slightly deficient on the graphics front), I'll be ecstatic. Mind you, I'll buy it anyway, in hopes of having a better system soon, and to keep up my "If TellTale makes it, I'll get it" motto, but still.

[jmm]

I don't know if this was posted earlier but:

Right now, I’m currently scheduled to do the fourth episode of Sam and Max season three. It’s about time I actually got to do a Sam and Max game that actually ships.

Source: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/specialArt.cfm?artid=20105

[Shwoo]

I read that interview, but I must have missed that. Sounds like it's going to be announced really soon.

[Wapcaplet]

Right now, I’m currently scheduled to do the fourth episode of Sam and Max season three. It’s about time I actually got to do a Sam and Max game that actually ships.
Wait, what? He was a co-designer of Hit the Road!

[SHODANFreeman]

Wait, what? He was a co-designer of Hit the Road!

I think he means it as "it's been too long" rather than "I've never done it"

[Wapcaplet]

I think he means it as "it's been too long" rather than "I've never done it"
That's what I thought after further reflection. It's possible he was misquoted, too.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

If Season 3 is as good as Season 2, I'll be happy, even if it's not "better". If it avoids all the glitzy, flashy video stuff that makes W&G and TMI unplayable on my system (I have a good system, but it's slightly deficient on the graphics front), I'll be ecstatic. Mind you, I'll buy it anyway, in hopes of having a better system soon, and to keep up my "If TellTale makes it, I'll get it" motto, but still.

Well I hope you get a new system...

I recently got a graphically extensive system, that I'm hoping season 3 can challenge - probably not, but one can hope.

[Woodsyblue]

Well I hope you get a new system...

I recently got a graphically extensive system, that I'm hoping season 3 can challenge - probably not, but one can hope.

I doubt a Telltale game will ever push a good system graphically. Most adventure gamers don't own high end systems so Telltale would be doing themselves a disservice if they made a graphical marvel.

[dfielder]

I assume they've been busy with Tales Of Monkey Island and porting Seasons 1 and 2 over to Xbox. I can't wait for some announcement though , good to see it's semi confirmed from that interview. Can't get enough of Sam and Max!

[tbm1986]

Wow, that interview was quite insightful in what Telltale are doing and how they think. Nintendo World were disrespecting both themselves and Telltale on spelling and transcription. Makes me wonder how many misquotes there are.

[SHODANFreeman]

I doubt a Telltale game will ever push a good system graphically. Most adventure gamers don't own high end systems so Telltale would be doing themselves a disservice if they made a graphical marvel.

Wallace and Gromit requires a fairly decent system to run at max settings, but if you mean they won't be putting out something like Crysis, then yeah.

[SpaceFalcon2001]

I doubt a Telltale game will ever push a good system graphically. Most adventure gamers don't own high end systems so Telltale would be doing themselves a disservice if they made a graphical marvel.

I doubt that's accurate. Most people who are into adventure gaming have probably been into gaming for a long time, and therefore probably have better computers.

That aside, adventure gaming doesn't require higher end computers because the story is more important than eyelash follicle rendering. I think adventure gaming would loose some of it's appeal if everything looked super realistic rather than just looking cool.

[Jake]

That's what I thought after further reflection. It's possible he was misquoted, too.

He's of course referring to his previous adventure game project, Sam & Max Freelance Police, which was canceled. It's been 16 years since Mike shipped a Sam & Max game with his name on it! Too long!

[Wapcaplet]

He's of course referring to his previous adventure game project, Sam & Max Freelance Police, which was canceled. It's been 16 years since Mike shipped a Sam & Max game with his name on it! Too long!
Yup, I remember when LucasArts axed it (has it already been over 5 1/2 years ago?). I thought Mike's sentence would have made more sense if the word "again" had ended it.

In any event, I'm definitely looking forward to his episode!

And why haven't you guys tracked down & hired Sean Clark yet? :)

[Hero1]

He's of course referring to his previous adventure game project, Sam & Max Freelance Police, which was canceled. It's been 16 years since Mike shipped a Sam & Max game with his name on it! Too long!

Too long for sure! Can't wait for Mike's episode :)

[lattsam]

Me too!

[tbm1986]

I can't wait for S&M3...full-stop/period.

[taumel]

I wonder if we this time get more an ongoing road movie instead of the usual going back to the office slices.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I wonder if we this time get more an ongoing road movie instead of the usual going back to the office slices.

I like the sound of that, stick with the office for the first/second episode, then ditch it in pursue of a ferrious lochs ness monster or something. Road movie would be good, the office/maybe even the street is starting to lose its appeal after all the re-plays and every single episode involving it one way or another.

[bobdevis]

I like the office. I vote for it to stay. They just need to change a bit more stuff in it every episode.

The trophy closet and the donut-mold civilization running gag were great. Same goes for the ever changing hair style of the Brady Cultures plant thingy..... and the voice mails!

Anyway, back on topic; I guess once MI is done it will be all hands on deck for S&M S3.
So episode 1 can hit the download servers in.... April... June maybe. I doubt it will be much later then that. Telltale has a strong thing going here. I doubt they will postpone.

[tbm1986]

I read in the blog the other day (I think, unless I'm tripping on lack of sleep again) that a new CSI season is coming out imminently (boooo! :mad:), so that would that hands are currently split between wrapping up MI, launching CSI and finishing ground work on Sam & Max prior to announcement/launch.

After MI? Finish CSI and (finally) announce S&M S3.

[SHODANFreeman]

I read in the blog the other day (I think, unless I'm tripping on lack of sleep again) that a new CSI season is coming out imminently (boooo! :mad:), so that would that hands are currently split between wrapping up MI, launching CSI and finishing ground work on Sam & Max prior to announcement/launch.

After MI? Finish CSI and (finally) announce S&M S3.

Um... CSI is a full retail release coming out on October 27th, it won't be monthly or anything. It's basically already done.

[tbm1986]

Um... CSI is a full retail release coming out on October 27th, it won't be monthly or anything. It's basically already done.

Oh ok. In that case, all hands will be on wrapping up MI then launching S&M S3

[Woodsyblue]

I doubt that's accurate. Most people who are into adventure gaming have probably been into gaming for a long time, and therefore probably have better computers.

That aside, adventure gaming doesn't require higher end computers because the story is more important than eyelash follicle rendering. I think adventure gaming would loose some of it's appeal if everything looked super realistic rather than just looking cool.

I don't understand. What is the association with somebody who has played games longer have with somebody owning a better computer than somebody who hasn't played games as long. To me how long you've played games and how good your system is are two totally separate things.

As people become older they become less adaptive to new things so if anything gamers who have been a while (and I mean a while) are probably less likely to have a computer that is up to date with the latest graphics cards and drivers. It's subjective though, that would just be a trend.

[bobdevis]

It's connected I guess, but very loosely.

The more you play computer games, the more you appreciate having powerful machine, the more likely you are to spend more money on a PC.
This completely ignores the console gamers, the not-so-wealthy people and the very wealthy people (who may overspend) though.

Anyway, I don't agree with the pre-premise that you have to be an old gamer to appreciate adventure games. Take a look at the ScummVM help forum. Its full of complete nabs who don't know what DOS is, or mess up simple actions like copying files. Those are NOT the old time gamers......

[Woodsyblue]

It's connected I guess, but very loosely.

The more you play computer games, the more you appreciate having powerful machine, the more likely you are to spend more money on a PC.
This completely ignores the console gamers, the not-so-wealthy people and the very wealthy people (who may overspend) though.

Anyway, I don't agree with the pre-premise that you have to be an old gamer to appreciate adventure games. Take a look at the ScummVM help forum. Its full of complete nabs who don't know what DOS is, or mess up simple actions like copying files. Those are NOT the old time gamers......

I still don't understand the logic behind thinking. Why would an older person have more appreciation for a more powerful computer? When people get older usually stuff like big dick computers take a back seat to ever expanding family commitments. Hobbies like video games lose priority to boring things like children and mortgages.

The pre-premise that you have to be old to enjoy adventure games has something to it but not the way you've worded it. You don't have to be old to appreciate adventure games, that's just silly. There are however a larger percentage of older gamers playing now because it's been ten years since adventure gaming has been relevant so most of the old fans that are coming back are, understandably, older then they were when the genre went into dormancy. I don't think anybody is saying that you have to be old to appreciate adventure games and if they are then they are idiots.

[spyrochaete]

Sam and Max Season 3 should be top priority! It's what I compare all other modern adventure games too, least of which Telltales' other series. Please, please, Telltale, make this your next project!

[Woodsyblue]

Sam and Max Season 3 should be top priority! It's what I compare all other modern adventure games too, least of which Telltales' other series. Please, please, Telltale, make this your next project!

I think it is almost confirmed as their next project. In fact, if it wasn't for ToMI, episodes of it would probably be coming out right now. I'd rather ToMI but don't worry, S&M Season 3 is coming. We'll probably be hearing an announcement at the end of the year.

[Homestarlover]

Though they are both very popular, we can all live for another......year or so for the next season. So until then......CALM DOWN!!!! (No offence).....

[Butterscotch-Biros]

So I'm abit confused...

Will this be called season 3?

Or thanks to XBLA - will it be called Sam & Max Save the Scrambling Corporate Presence

{or something like that}?

[Alucard]

I'm holding onto my free episode coupon until either sam & max 3 or loom come out

[Ashton]

I dont know about anyone else, but I'm starting to buy more into the rumor that S3 is vaporware. Accroding to several sites (nothing official I might add before TTG jumps me) is that S+M isnt selling as well as some of the other franchises and because the plot was prety well wrapped up in S2, they are going to simply "not get around to it" and release other games, letting S2 be the end of the series.

Again, this was NOT from ANYONE from TTG, it was speculation of members of several gaming sites, based on the continually changing speculated release dates of S3 from Jan 09, to Feb 09, to Aug 09, to sometime-in-2010, etc...

[Hero1]

I dont know about anyone else, but I'm starting to buy more into the rumor that S3 is vaporware.

Patience! I'm sure telltale will announce something soon.. Sam & Max is one of their strongest franchises

[Icedhope]

Patience! I'm sure telltale will announce something soon.. Sam & Max is one of their strongest franchises

I'm pretty sure, there working on it as we speak..S3 is not going to be vaporware, honestly if there was a franchise that put your company on the map, would you just say...meh..let's let ride...and do another franchise.

[tbm1986]

It's second only to MI for fan base on here. And Mike Stemmle said in an interview recently he was writing an episode.

[RMJ1984]

I'm pretty sure, there working on it as we speak..S3 is not going to be vaporware, honestly if there was a franchise that put your company on the map, would you just say...meh..let's let ride...and do another franchise.

Never say never, there was this company, it probably not well known, it was named Lucas Arts, there were the kings of Adventure games, but suddenly some wise person told them, (hey adventure gaming is dead and starwars IN!) and then they canceled it all and made alot of Starwars games to milk the cow for money and waste their skills.

I know its a sick world, lets just hope it doesnt happen to Telltale :eek:

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oh yeah and i vote for not only office to stay, but also having the hall way, i think Telltale have learned that all those skipping around empty locations are bad, i always hated how they always like Teleport in sam and max, just having the stairs inside and hallway adds alot, and give room for even more crazy stuff :) im sure there is lots of wierd things going on in even their own building.

[Shwoo]

Again, this was NOT from ANYONE from TTG, it was speculation of members of several gaming sites, based on the continually changing speculated release dates of S3 from Jan 09, to Feb 09, to Aug 09, to sometime-in-2010, etc...
The release date was pushed back because they got the rights to Monkey Island and decided to do that first. I remember reading that in more than one place.

[Ashton]

The release date was pushed back because they got the rights to Monkey Island and decided to do that first. I remember reading that in more than one place.

My only complaint with this (other than the obvious release date being pushed back) is I'm concerned with the sheer volume of lisences they're working with. They will have to expand (or can some of the series) and if they expand that means they will need a larger payroll and they will raise the price of their games... Also untill they expand they will be spreading themselves thinner and thinner and taking longer on games or sacrificing quality...

Also it irks me personally because I left the site for just under a year because "Season 3 will be released in Jan" and I didnt want to blunder into spoilers...

[Butterscotch-Biros]

oh yeah and i vote for not only office to stay, but also having the hall way, i think Telltale have learned that all those skipping around empty locations are bad, i always hated how they always like Teleport in sam and max, just having the stairs inside and hallway adds alot, and give room for even more crazy stuff :) im sure there is lots of wierd things going on in even their own building.

I've said this in favour too, also is anyone else interested in seeing the Kitchens in Stinky's for season 3?

[Lena_P]

Okay, for people who think Season 3 is vaporware, I think this post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130026&postcount=380) pretty much dispels that rumor.

My only complaint with this (other than the obvious release date being pushed back) is I'm concerned with the sheer volume of lisences they're working with. They will have to expand (or can some of the series) and if they expand that means they will need a larger payroll and they will raise the price of their games... Also untill they expand they will be spreading themselves thinner and thinner and taking longer on games or sacrificing quality...

Actually they've done everything they've done so far while constantly expanding. A few years ago they were only 15 people and now they're something like 55 or 60. This is the third office they've grown into, and even with the recent hires over the last few months they still have positions on their jobs page that have yet to be filled. And they did all this without having to increase the prices of their games. Telltale is a new company, but it's a lot got a lot of game industry veterans working for and running the company; I think we can trust that they know how to grow their Telltale wisely.

[Ashton]

Okay, for people who think Season 3 is vaporware, I think this post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130026&postcount=380) pretty much dispels that rumor.

Actually they've done everything they've done so far while constantly expanding. A few years ago they were only 15 people and now they're something like 55 or 60. This is the third office they've grown into, and even with the recent hires over the last few months they still have positions on their jobs page that have yet to be filled. And they did all this without having to increase the prices of their games. Telltale is a new company, but it's a lot got a lot of game industry veterans working for and running the company; I think we can trust that they know how to grow their Telltale wisely.

heh heh heh, you got sucked in. That post is meant to be reasuring but you missed soemthing very important:

I think he'll be busy scoring something that rhymes with schmam and schmax schmeasson schmee,
(emphasis added)

Those two words make it into a possibility not an absolute. While I have no reason to dissbeleive Jake, I wanted to point out that was not an absolute. I hope your right though.

So far I'm pleased, but I've seen so many companies that get "too big for hteir britches" once they get established and either let quality slide or start charding mroe and more exorberant prices *couchcouchM$coughcough* excuse me, allergies ;) Seriously, I hope that doesnt happen, and so far it doesnt seem to be, but I have a nagging doubt in the back of my mind...

[GinnyN]

(emphasis added)

Those two words make it into a possibility not an absolute. While I have no reason to dissbeleive Jake, I wanted to point out that was not an absolute. I hope your right though.

Hehhh... I think he was saying that with irony. You know, saying he wasn't sure but actually he was? That looks like to me.

(By the way, even Steve Purcell said there's already work about season 3. I don't remember the exactly post, but I think is in the ToMI print post in the ToMI forum).

[Icedhope]

I know they said at Pax that some people left behind, so there was work being done on season 3.

So, yeah Season 3 is hopefully coming soon, so I can play it.

[Ashton]

You know, I jsut had a GOOD thought about this for once...

Maybe, just baybe, they are doing all this work on S3 so that they will have it all finished (or nearly finished) at one time so tehy can release them on schedule, doing little more than fixing little bugs between S3E1's release and S3E2's release, etc...?

[techie775]

Never say never, there was this company, it probably not well known, it was named Lucas Arts, there were the kings of Adventure games, but suddenly some wise person told them, (hey adventure gaming is dead and starwars IN!) and then they canceled it all and made alot of Starwars games to milk the cow for money and waste their skills.


I always considered Sierra the kings of Adventure games; They had series with 6 or 7 games and a few stand alones. They even started making adventure games before Lucasarts (King's Quest in 1983). Don't get me wrong Lucasarts did pretty good too but I never considered them big as Sierra (although they had less bugs in their games than sierra did.)

And someone suggested Telltale making another Indiana Jones adventure game. The Problem with that Idea is that series has been converted into the next 'Tomb Raider' series and I can't see Lucasarts wanting to go back into the adventure category when it's easier to stick with what they have now. But I do think that would be awesome. I loved the Last Crusade and the Fate of Atlantis games.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

So far I'm pleased, but I've seen so many companies that get "too big for hteir britches" once they get established and either let quality slide or start charding mroe and more exorberant prices *couchcouchM$coughcough* excuse me, allergies ;) Seriously, I hope that doesnt happen, and so far it doesnt seem to be, but I have a nagging doubt in the back of my mind...

Until they do something to prove otherwise, have some faith. Telltale hasn't really let us down before, there's no reason to assume they will start just because they're growing. Not every company sacrifices quality as they grow in size. Look at entertainment companies like Blizzard, Bioware, Pixar - these companies have gotten enormous compared to their beginnings, but they always ensure that any product they put out with their name on it is as high quality as possible. Not everyone makes the same mistake that Lucasarts did - particularly not companies that started out *because* of the mistakes Lucasarts made.

So, y'know...worry less.

[jmm]

Something is IN the works, that's for sure. I'm sure Telltale will announce something not too far in the future. In fact, it is very likely that before ToMI episode 5 is released, we'll know something (There is a certain holiday that's big in the US coming up this month...)
Whether that something is an existing license, a new license or a new IP...

[Icedhope]

I always considered Sierra the kings of Adventure games; They had series with 6 or 7 games and a few stand alones. They even started making adventure games before Lucasarts (King's Quest in 1983). Don't get me wrong Lucasarts did pretty good too but I never considered them big as Sierra (although they had less bugs in their games than sierra did.)

And someone suggested Telltale making another Indiana Jones adventure game. The Problem with that Idea is that series has been converted into the next 'Tomb Raider' series and I can't see Lucasarts wanting to go back into the adventure category when it's easier to stick with what they have now. But I do think that would be awesome. I loved the Last Crusade and the Fate of Atlantis games.

I agree with you 100% that, when I think of sierra I think of their adventure games, and they were the king. Lucas arts did make quality adventure games, but siera did continue their series for a lot longer and hardly cancled a series except for LSL, and SQ7 But all in all. Lucas arts are doing and developing their franchises.

[tbm1986]

I agree with you 100% that, when I think of sierra I think of their adventure games, and they were the king. Lucas arts did make quality adventure games, but siera did continue their series for a lot longer and hardly cancled a series except for LSL, and SQ7 But all in all. Lucas arts are doing and developing their franchises.

I was really looking forward to LSL8. Then we got Magna Cum Laude instead, which got dubbed by many as LSL8. I enjoyed it but it was nothing like the humorous adventure game of old. Just repetitive arcade games bordering on interactive porn.

I do hope TT tries to get a licence and succeeds, with Al Lowe aboard.

[Ashton]

Didnt somone just continue the LSL fanchise? I'd sware I saw it in a PC magazine somewhere...

I agree, sierra was the king of Adventure games. I loved Quest for Glory and SpaceQuest (kings Quest was ok, but the puzzles absolutely baffled me at times...)


we'll know something (There is a certain holiday that's big in the US coming up this month...)


Really? guess waht, there wa a big holiday in the US last month, and there's 2 big holidays next month! Holidays rarely mean anything to developers unless it involves Zombie/Monster games...

[tbm1986]

Didn't someone just continue the LSL franchise? I'd sware I saw it in a PC magazine somewhere...1

I agree, sierra was the king of Adventure games. I loved Quest for Glory and SpaceQuest (King's Quest was ok, but the puzzles absolutely baffled me at times...)



Really? guess what, there was a big holiday in the US last month, and there's 2 big holidays next month! Holidays rarely mean anything to developers unless it involves Zombie/Monster games...2

1That might just be the pathetic Box Office Bust, which abandons everything in previous incarnations. It was finished by another developer then published by Vivendi.

2You're right. Thanksgiving can hardly be connected to any of the games.

[Icedhope]

1That might just be the pathetic Box Office Bust, which abandons everything in previous incarnations. It was finished by another developer then published by Vivendi.

2You're right. Thanksgiving can hardly be connected to any of the games.

Point A. Magna Cum Laude and Box Office bust will never be considered Leisure Larry games, they are just the same the American Godzilla movie and should never be spoken of again, and I just did..so I'm flogging myself for that.

Point B. Thanksgiving would be an awesome time to give us an announcement on Sam&Max, they like stuffing their faces, and I'll be stuffing mine...which brings me to think that...we won't hear anything about it til December.

Point C. I love making points.

[Falanca]

Err... Back to the thread;

I find it really weird that even though there is nothing abnormal with this long time we've been waiting for S&M S3, we're given no official information whatsoever. You know, they published some trailers before S1 started being published, so S2 got a nice trailer either, but if S3 is going to be out in December we should have had a trailer or an official statement by now, at least. Dunno, 3 weeks later and it's December, and people are still trying to hunt down some clues hidden in interviews or pseudo-official writings like that to determine whether it's even REAL or not.

[Shwoo]

Not necessarily. Tales of Monkey Island was only announced a month before it was released. I do remember hearing that nothing new will be announced until Monkey Island is finished, but I don't remember where.

people are still trying to hunt down some clues hidden in interviews or pseudo-official writings like that to determine whether it's even REAL or not.
It's real and they're working on it. What's there to hunt down?

[Falanca]

It's real and they're working on it. What's there to hunt down?

We know it because some developers mentioned about working on it, like, "...aah well we also work on S&M S3, no big deal, anyway let's talk about Monkey Island again..." in some interviews. It's still not officially announced. You can't see any lines about it in Telltale's site, I mean...

[Hero1]

When they announced Monkey Island you could purchase it right away..which was pretty smart and worked quite well, maybe they will do the same with Sam & Max? So that way they can take advantage of the news

[Icedhope]

When they announced Monkey Island you could purchase it right away..which was pretty smart and worked quite well, maybe they will do the same with Sam & Max? So that way they can take advantage of the news

You know what, if we could pre-order Sam&Max and have some of the extra's they did with MI, I think it would be awesome.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

Err... Back to the thread;

I find it really weird that even though there is nothing abnormal with this long time we've been waiting for S&M S3, we're given no official information whatsoever. You know, they published some trailers before S1 started being published, so S2 got a nice trailer either, but if S3 is going to be out in December we should have had a trailer or an official statement by now, at least. Dunno, 3 weeks later and it's December, and people are still trying to hunt down some clues hidden in interviews or pseudo-official writings like that to determine whether it's even REAL or not.

They can't release S3, as the developers said in an interview I can't remember where from, they would get really bad sales from December, because they can't compete with the market at the hectic time of Christmas.

[GinnyN]

You know what, if we could pre-order Sam&Max and have some of the extra's they did with MI, I think it would be awesome.

I already had the money. Now I have to work for get a new processor for my laptop and we're done ^^!

[bambi]

You know what, if we could pre-order Sam&Max and have some of the extra's they did with MI, I think it would be awesome.

Where do I have to sign ?

[Falanca]

They can't release S3, as the developers said in an interview I can't remember where from, they would get really bad sales from December, because they can't compete with the market at the hectic time of Christmas.

No words on that. I already said that the time we've been waiting for S3 to come is understandable. I never said they should be releasing it now anyway, I'd like to have a polished up game after all.

What I tried to say is, a trailer or even a screenshot would be so great to hype the fanbase out a lil...

[Nintendo Boy1]

Ahhh so there is a Season 3. I new I wasn't crazy. Hopeful after that there will be a Season 2 of SBCG4AP...I hope

[Pantagruel's Friend]

When they announced Monkey Island you could purchase it right away..which was pretty smart and worked quite well, maybe they will do the same with Sam & Max? So that way they can take advantage of the news

Yes, the model they used with ToMI was great - I bought in instantly, for sure :)

They can't release S3, as the developers said in an interview I can't remember where from, they would get really bad sales from December, because they can't compete with the market at the hectic time of Christmas.

That also makes sense - both Season 1 and Season 2 skipped December, AFAIR.

[Randulf]

I'd love to see some progress notes or concept art; they did release these before the launch of Season 2.

[Icedhope]

I'd love to see some progress notes or concept art; they did release these before the launch of Season 2.

I'm thinking they won't realease concept art, or notes until Tales is finished.

[Ashton]

They can't release S3, as the developers said in an interview I can't remember where from, they would get really bad sales from December, because they can't compete with the market at the hectic time of Christmas.

So we're looking at *maybe* a jan-31ish release if we're lucky... (based on the post you quoted originally about the trailor comming ~3 weeks before the series)

Ahhh so there is a Season 3. I new I wasn't crazy. Hopeful after that there will be a Season 2 of SBCG4AP...I hope

Oh sure! While your waiting you might want to track down some yetti and UFOs... :rolleyes: I would bet money against S2 of SBCGFAP, I'm clinging to a single thread of hope on S+M S3, but personally with the silence from official sources and a lack of proof arts of any kind... If it's not released by july I'm joining the Vaporware camp... you'll notice there has been NO official responce from TTG in this thread... Keep in mind the reason LucusArts dropped S+M; it's a niche game genre to begin with (MMOs and FPS are practically all that's popular today) and then you go into the niche and find and even smaller niche that will, in fact, offend a lot of people NOT in the niche... Fiscally it's hardly responcible; flagship series or not. I may be pissed about not getting a new S+M season every Jan 1st (hell I'd like to have an epp a month. forever. period.) but I dont blame them at all if they drop the series for soemthing more popular and more profitable. I mean, yes, this is a nice colelction of fans here... go look at STEAM or Blizzard communities...

i;m sure somone is going to give me a lecture now about TTG being different and not caring about what's popular. frankly, I'm of two minds. Personally, I want to see S+M games. I dont give a knat's bee-hind about the others unless they should aquire the rights to Spacequest, Kingsquest, Indyana jones, or quest for Glory. Otherwise but I'm just glad somone is reviving th epoint-and-click genre. I dont care if they make spongebob and twilight games as long as they're point-and-click adventures (granted I would never even play a free sppisode of one of those games, but...). I want to see them succeed and be as financially sound so they keep encouraging people to revive this genre!

(Now if only some big player would re-start Interactive fiction... )

[GinnyN]

Oh sure! While your waiting you might want to track down some yetti and UFOs... :rolleyes: I would bet money against S2 of SBCGFAP, I'm clinging to a single thread of hope on S+M S3, but personally with the silence from official sources and a lack of proof arts of any kind... If it's not released by july I'm joining the Vaporware camp... you'll notice there has been NO official responce from TTG in this thread... Keep in mind the reason LucusArts dropped S+M; it's a niche game genre to begin with (MMOs and FPS are practically all that's popular today) and then you go into the niche and find and even smaller niche that will, in fact, offend a lot of people NOT in the niche... Fiscally it's hardly responcible; flagship series or not. I may be pissed about not getting a new S+M season every Jan 1st (hell I'd like to have an epp a month. forever. period.) but I dont blame them at all if they drop the series for soemthing more popular and more profitable. I mean, yes, this is a nice colelction of fans here... go look at STEAM or Blizzard communities...

i;m sure somone is going to give me a lecture now about TTG being different and not caring about what's popular. frankly, I'm of two minds. Personally, I want to see S+M games. I dont give a knat's bee-hind about the others unless they should aquire the rights to Spacequest, Kingsquest, Indyana jones, or quest for Glory. Otherwise but I'm just glad somone is reviving th epoint-and-click genre. I dont care if they make spongebob and twilight games as long as they're point-and-click adventures (granted I would never even play a free sppisode of one of those games, but...). I want to see them succeed and be as financially sound so they keep encouraging people to revive this genre!

(Now if only some big player would re-start Interactive fiction... )

Nah. I'm not saying Telltale is totally different: They are a company and they have to survive. But at the same time you are totally narrow the perspective: There's a part (A big part) of the consumers which is totally ignored by the Today's Game Industry. Part of them are this point and click adventure gamers who wants that games again. Telltale is serving a part of consumers who aren't satisfy with MMO or FPS and/or wants that kind of games back. If they are a niche, well, looks like they are a very profitable niche (I'm suscribed to their Jobs RSS, and they still have open positions ^^!).

About Season 3, well, at least I can get about how they work, they develop like 2 games at the same time. Now they are working in Monkey Island and then must be working in the release for the first semester of the next year. In what they are working I have no idea, and I hope they will revealed soon. If it's Sam and Max Season 3, just I hope. But with all those hints there and there, sounds fairly possible is Season 3. But, like everyone else, I have no idea.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

About Season 3, well, at least I can get about how they work, they develop like 2 games at the same time. Now they are working in Monkey Island and then must be working in the release for the first semester of the next year. In what they are working I have no idea, and I hope they will revealed soon. If it's Sam and Max Season 3, just I hope. But with all those hints there and there, sounds fairly possible is Season 3. But, like everyone else, I have no idea.

Being as it is Telltale's second most popular episodic point and click franchise, I say we have some pretty good chances. But like Telltale have being suggesting they could aqquire a new franchise, improve the ones they have that aren't selling as well as S&M, or start an original franchise of their very own (this would be really interesting and I would consider buying it).

[Icedhope]

Being as it is Telltale's second most popular episodic point and click franchise, I say we have some pretty good chances. But like Telltale have being suggesting they could aqquire a new franchise, improve the ones they have that aren't selling as well as S&M, or start an original franchise of their very own (this would be really interesting and I would consider buying it).

WHat ever telltale does I will support them whether it be a new franchise or S&M. I guess we will have to wait and see what they are releasing after tales is done, I'm hoping it will be Sam&Max, but thats for them to decide honestly.

All I know is that I'm a fan, and I will support their decision even if it clashes with mine. I'm just a fan.

[Lena_P]

Personally, I want a month of hype and speculation after the announcement of a new S&M season, the same as there was around Tales. Let the new fans that came in for Tales get a taste of what's to come with Sam and Max, trailers, concept art, the whole shebang. So I think offering a pre-order deal in December (so people can still ask for the game for Christmas) with the actual release in mid to late January (so people can afford to buy the game after Christmas) would be ideal. Then again what do I know from marketing?

[bambi]

Post-Holiday sales are bad.

Pre-ordering is not selling as well on Holidays. Guess people want to spend their holiday with more than an IOU a Game paper :D

TTG shouldn't miss out on the Holiday if they are even a tiny bit of smart :D
And they wont! Promise. (Just doesn't make sense really.)

[Icedhope]

Post-Holiday sales are bad.

Pre-ordering is not selling as well on Holidays. Guess people want to spend their holiday with more than an IOU a Game paper :D

TTG shouldn't miss out on the Holiday if they are even a tiny bit of smart :D
And they wont! Promise. (Just doesn't make sense really.)

Well, honestly...they aren't as big as some of the competion out there, but then again, there really is no one out there offering adventure games either.
Lena is right though. They should hype up season 3, Like tales.

[EMAN528]

I'm thinking they won't realease concept art, or notes until Tales is finished.

I don't know if this has already been said, but if that is true this will be the first time since the end of S&M season 1 that a season will end without another project having been offically announced as being in the works and releasing soon.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I don't know if this has already been said, but if that is true this will be the first time since the end of S&M season 1 that a season will end without another project having been offically announced as being in the works and releasing soon.

Wow, that's a long time ago - I forgot how busy Telltale have become lately...

[City Of Delusion]

Well, considering Deadly Intent is marching towards the shop shelves, I would imagine it's full steam ahead for the development of Season Three. However, I think Telltale will miss 2009 for S3.

I predict a formal announcement with trailer within two weeks after the release of ToMI 105 (i.e. around Christmas), with episodes being released from late Feburary. Then Telltale announces a more serious franchise for release from July.

[GerryWaz]

http://www.incgamers.com/News/19576/telltale-games-announcement-soon

[xbskid]

Its not bad that Sam & Max is waiting, with the looks on how Monkey Island is, more moving just not talking, but action, more detail, im pretty sure we can expect all this and more in Sam & Max Season 3 :)
I hope you're not including Tales of Monkey Island's movement controls in that expectation.

[Icedhope]

I hope you're not including Tales of Monkey Island's movement controls in that expectation.


I expect nothing from the best, with season 3. But I've noticed a trend with threes. Ex: PA3, Half Life Episode 3, and Sam&Max season 3. There is no, word of them, and they are kept in the dark..but I have no fear, that Sam&Max will be back, and I know it will be worth the wait.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

I hope you're not including Tales of Monkey Island's movement controls in that expectation.

http://i29.tinypic.com/velmo8.gif

[RMJ1984]

Hehe yeah, i must admit thhe control will always be a step in the wrong direction, some point and click and way way better UI. The UI in TOMI was just way to big, clunky and wierd.

I must say i sure do miss the "Look at" "Pull" and kinda options, that really added another layer to the old scumm games, without it being overly complex.

[GinnyN]

Probably I'm the only one in this camp, but I like the direct control with the keyboard. (And I hate the verb based system, but that probably just me).

The thing I don't get is why they can't also code the old way if its still working for the hot spots. That all my gripe about it.

[Icedhope]

Hehe yeah, i must admit thhe control will always be a step in the wrong direction, some point and click and way way better UI. The UI in TOMI was just way to big, clunky and wierd.

I must say i sure do miss the "Look at" "Pull" and kinda options, that really added another layer to the old scumm games, without it being overly complex.

I will agree, I miss it but I don't. I find the controls, in ToMI easier to use, and gives for some cinematic feel but sometimes on a rare occasion mess with you.
Whatever control scheme they have...it will probably be for the better.

[tbm1986]

I've got used to all the different controls over the years and I still prefer the one LucasArts used for Full Throttle and CMI. The shoehorned-in verb selection in SMI: SE was so bad for me, I went back to old mode every time I needed to do something other than walk. I've got used to Tales' interface but it's more my machine being slow that makes the cursor jump all over the place. I liked the Sam & Max Season 2 interface a lot.

I'm glad the likes of Maniac Mansion/Zakk McKracken/Last Crusade, Sam & Max Hit the Road and EMI have been put to rest. I found those a pain in the arse.

[doodo!]

Yes, where it is, I finally went back to season 2 and I'm almost finished with it.

[Icedhope]

Yes, where it is, I finally went back to season 2 and I'm almost finished with it.


i'm starting, both seasons over now.

[Falanca]

It's been a while, so much that data of the some episodes are corrupted. Night of the Raving Dead gives me an audio error, and Chariots of the Dogs simply does not open (which is my favorite episode, gee).

[SHODANFreeman]

Probably I'm the only one in this camp, but I like the direct control with the keyboard. (And I hate the verb based system, but that probably just me).

The thing I don't get is why they can't also code the old way if its still working for the hot spots. That all my gripe about it.

I prefer direct control by far, to the point that playing a game with point and click movement feels as ancient as using a text parser at this point.

[Icedhope]

I prefer direct control by far, to the point that playing a game with point and click movement feels as ancient as using a text parser at this point.

Agree.

[Ashton]

I acctually prefer a hybrid control like Sierra used (icons for "look", "walk", "do", "inventory" and "setup") However I have nothing the current TTG setup of one click does everything. I'm not much for drect-control in a point-and-click adventure in part because you may end up running all the time to try and find the secrets. (I'm currently playing a JRPG for Xbox 360 called "Blue Dragon" and nearly everyfreakin' item on the screen could be a hidden container! I spend HOURS every time I get to a new city just running upto items and pressing the 'search/action' button!)

The text parsers were a lot more fun because, if sued correctly, a LOT more humor could be crammed in. (like clicking "talk" then an inanimate object and getting "the chair doesnt seem to be much of a conversationist" or "eat" and clicking a character on the screen "he doesnt like me much, so I'd probably have indijestion") But it was very frustrating going through 15 menu choices to figure out just which one worked (akin to the old "guess the verb" in Interactive Fiction -
>Take the box
What?
>Pick up the box
What?
>get the box
Box aquired
Though I still love IF to death!)

I think TTG has a very good system that's not too complicated and most people can relate to.

[Icedhope]

I acctually prefer a hybrid control like Sierra used (icons for "look", "walk", "do", "inventory" and "setup") However I have nothing the current TTG setup of one click does everything. I'm not much for drect-control in a point-and-click adventure in part because you may end up running all the time to try and find the secrets. (I'm currently playing a JRPG for Xbox 360 called "Blue Dragon" and nearly everyfreakin' item on the screen could be a hidden container! I spend HOURS every time I get to a new city just running upto items and pressing the 'search/action' button!)

The text parsers were a lot more fun because, if sued correctly, a LOT more humor could be crammed in. (like clicking "talk" then an inanimate object and getting "the chair doesnt seem to be much of a conversationist" or "eat" and clicking a character on the screen "he doesnt like me much, so I'd probably have indijestion") But it was very frustrating going through 15 menu choices to figure out just which one worked (akin to the old "guess the verb" in Interactive Fiction -
>Take the box
What?
>Pick up the box
What?
>get the box
Box aquired
Though I still love IF to death!)

I think TTG has a very good system that's not too complicated and most people can relate to.

I would love for them to use the old interface that sierra used to use, but some times it was a little frustrating, but it was still fun as hell.

[SHODANFreeman]

I acctually prefer a hybrid control like Sierra used (icons for "look", "walk", "do", "inventory" and "setup") However I have nothing the current TTG setup of one click does everything. I'm not much for drect-control in a point-and-click adventure in part because you may end up running all the time to try and find the secrets. (I'm currently playing a JRPG for Xbox 360 called "Blue Dragon" and nearly everyfreakin' item on the screen could be a hidden container! I spend HOURS every time I get to a new city just running upto items and pressing the 'search/action' button!)

That's why I love TTG's current control scheme, using the mouse to look for and click on hotspots (or just pressing F4 in TMI or Tab in W&G to bring up the hotspots) and the keyboard to move the character from screen to screen.

[Icedhope]

I don't know, I'm at a mix for controls, I guess what will work will work for telltale and fans.

[behe101]

Why can't we have both? Direct control for those who want it, but still being able to move using point 'n' click? There was the makings of that in Wallace and Gromit.

Just don't ever do the drag and move thing again. That was terrible.

[Butterscotch-Biros]

i'm starting, both seasons over now.

Yeah, I've been slowly doing it since September - forgot how good the second half of season one was, and how medicore Ice Station Santa - but of course those are my views, don't kill me for it. :p

It's been a while, so much that data of the some episodes are corrupted. Night of the Raving Dead gives me an audio error, and Chariots of the Dogs simply does not open (which is my favorite episode, gee).

Sorry to hear that - can't you re-download the episode from Telltale free of charge?

[Falanca]

I did. Night's fine now. Chariots still doesn't seem to work :/ Pret-ty weird. Oh well...

[tbm1986]

Why can't we have both? Direct control for those who want it, but still being able to move using point 'n' click? There was the makings of that in Wallace and Gromit.

Just don't ever do the drag and move thing again. That was terrible.

I feel very differently. The mouse didn't work for navigation for me, and I'd rather use the arrow keys for 2D platform games than 3D adventure ones. I found Wallace & Gromit cringeworthy.

Sam & Max and Tales controls I rather liked. Besides, you can use the keyboard for navigation in Tales (or at least you can in my copies of Narwhal and Spinner Cay, not tried it in Leviathan or Trial).

[The Commissioner]

Why can't we have both? Direct control for those who want it, but still being able to move using point 'n' click? There was the makings of that in Wallace and Gromit.

Just don't ever do the drag and move thing again. That was terrible.

Because that negates the reason why the dropped it on purpose. The save time by not having to program hotspots everywhere and they don't have to restrict the camera to certain angles where the floor needs to always be visible. And there are other puzzle related benefits too which are better suited to drag/keyboard like the walking in a circle around the calendar or walking around on the rug to build up static electricity.

It's the same as why games are 3D instead of 2D - it's faster for them to build a 3D character once and have the computer move that around and animate using keyframes and computations and whatever in real-time. For 2D art you have to have artists draw every frame of a sprite and animation. You don't get to switch camera angles in 2D.

At some point you just have to ditch the old ways and enjoy the new ways. The game is still fun because it's monkey island and not the way it looks or the controls that are important. There are reasons behind everything.

[GinnyN]

Because that negates the reason why the dropped it on purpose. The save time by not having to program hotspots everywhere and they don't have to restrict the camera to certain angles where the floor needs to always be visible. And there are other puzzle related benefits too which are better suited to drag/keyboard like the walking in a circle around the calendar or walking around on the rug to build up static electricity.

I always believed it was because would be easier to port them from PC to Consoles, because they have to just map the controls to the controller buttons.

By the way, I think the controls comes with the Telltale Tool (You know, the development framework they use) and they don't have to actually code the controls all the time for every game. Of course, must be a real pain have to code the 2 controls in the framework, but probably they can do it for the next iteration of the Telltale Tool. I mean... Why not? (By the way, I'll say it again, I'm just guessing)

[lecharles]

I like the control system they have now, but I think i liked the old SCUMM controls better
mostly because the inventory was always visible, and item combinations were easier

[Falanca]

Inventory wasn't automaticly visible on Hit the Road though, so if we're talking about Sam and Max, it's pretty much like that for the whole franchise.

[tbm1986]

I'm glad you said old not ancient because the interface for McKraken, Maniac Mansion and Indy1 were horrible

[Icedhope]

I'm glad you said old not ancient because the interface for McKraken, Maniac Mansion and Indy1 were horrible

Yeah, they were..but Lucas art seemed to simplify as time went on, I think they had it perfect for hit the road.

But maybe that's because I liked the sierra esque interface.

[tbm1986]

Yeah, they were..but Lucas art seemed to simplify as time went on, I think they had it perfect for hit the road.

But maybe that's because I liked the sierra esque interface.

That's funny because I hated the HTR/more recent Sierra interface. Right-click for default action and either inventory at bottom of screen or tab, for me.

The best interfaces (I think) were MI2/MI1CD/Indy2 and CMI/Full Throttle. Those were easy.

[Kroms]

That's funny because I hated the HTR/more recent Sierra interface. Right-click for default action and either inventory at bottom of screen or tab, for me.

The best interfaces (I think) were MI2/MI1CD/Indy2 and CMI/Full Throttle. Those were easy.

I prefer the CMI/Full Throttle ones myself. I played SMI in 2006, and there were just wayyy too many verbs: that early SCUMM system hasn't aged very well at all. I got stumped on a few puzzles that I knew the answer to, but hadn't tried the correct verb with.

[Rather Dashing]

The best interfaces (I think) were MI2/MI1CD/Indy2 and CMI/Full Throttle. Those were easy.
Nah, best interfaces were King's Quest and Space Quest. Maybe the Infocom parser. Man, that was an awesome parser.

[Ashton]

Nah, best interfaces were King's Quest and Space Quest. Maybe the Infocom parser. Man, that was an awesome parser.

I'd also throw in Quest For Glory (III, IV, V) because it handled combat well

oh man... Infocom Parser... so you want to turn S+M into ZORK I? *evilgrin* oh the fun back in the day on my Comadore 64 typing "Kill Thief" all night....

[lecharles]

I prefer the CMI/Full Throttle ones myself. I played SMI in 2006, and there were just wayyy too many verbs: that early SCUMM system hasn't aged very well at all. I got stumped on a few puzzles that I knew the answer to, but hadn't tried the correct verb with.

I liked that they had all those verbs. It allowed for so many more jokes.

"I don't wanna pick him up. I don't think he likes me that way"

*Guybrush drowns*
*BOB* *FLOAT* *ROT* *DECAY*

lol

[Icedhope]

I liked that they had all those verbs. It allowed for so many more jokes.

"I don't wanna pick him up. I don't think he likes me that way"

*Guybrush drowns*
*BOB* *FLOAT* *ROT* *DECAY*

lol

See thats what makes me torn between LA and Sierra, but as for sam and max I think the way they have it now works perfectly. But we will see when the time comes.

[Magic Emperor]

The Curse of Monkey Island is probably my favorite interface.

[behe101]

...does nobody seem to like the simple beauty of the point and click interface?

You know, where you POINT with your MOUSE...
and you CLICK with your MOUSE BUTTON...

...and nobody has to grapple with these frankly bloody awful substitutes.

I don't want to have so-called "direct control", I don't want that utterly stupid click-drag-move control, I want to put my mouse cursor over something, click on it, and it will be interacted with.

Is that too much to ask?

Please?

[danewsh]

Last ToMI slated for Dec 8th. Can an announcement for Sam & Max S3 be far behind? I've been playing all these with my kids and I think it's all they want for Xmas is a S&M announcement. My son can recite most of Max's jokes...and still has room in his brain to remember his homework!...sometimes.. :(

[light_rises]

Last ToMI slated for Dec 8th. Can an announcement for Sam & Max S3 be far behind? I've been playing all these with my kids and I think it's all they want for Xmas is a S&M announcement.

I want the same thing for Christmas too. *sniffle* Man, do I miss those guys ... :(

[Rather Dashing]

Is that too much to ask?
Well, as far as Telltale is concerned....yes.

[danewsh]

I like the control system they have now, but I think i liked the old SCUMM controls better
mostly because the inventory was always visible, and item combinations were easier

Controls for Sam and Max:Like.
Controls for MI:Like
Controls for W&G: I've got an issue with the white rectangle always highlighting objects in the room as you walk around. It's like a hint you can't turn off. I feel sometimes like I've been gypped out of finding something on my own.

[lecharles]

but anyway, back to S&M season 3.
1 day till tales is done, and another day or two to play it. after that, if S&M isn't announced, there will be nothing we currently know about future tell tale projects, and my life will be empty

[Icedhope]

No, not so much empty as disappointed. But Telltale usually does a good job, so I'm waiting for what they have next.

[Hero1]

Well a huge amount of people are gonna hit the Telltale site tomorrow.. it would be a good day to announce something.

[Icedhope]

Well a huge amount of people are gonna hit the Telltale site tomorrow.. it would be a good day to announce something.

As by a lot of people you mean the people who regularly hit the site on a day to day basis or newcomers and such?

I wouldn't bet on them announcing anything tomorrow, because there is still a lot of hype of Ch.5...I'm saying will know something by at least the end of the month to the middle of january.

[Flocke]

The Curse of Monkey Island is probably my favorite interface.

This. =)

As for Sam & Max Season Three... What gives? D= Why hasn't it been announced yet? D=
Hopefully Season Three will be made... If there is no announcement about Season Three after the newest Monkey Island episode, I think I'll... Err, just wait patiently. ^^;

[amir90p]

"I don't wanna pick him up. I don't think he likes me that way"

[Rather Dashing]

"I don't wanna pick him up. I don't think he likes me that way"
While that's perhaps chuckle-worthy, it's been done a million times over. If there is a verb joke that can be added, it was likely used in the Infocom parser. If it wasn't done by them, then Sierra or LucasArts did it. As fun as the few times the verbs actually provided new content were, it generally was just "I can't pick that up!", or "I don't want to look at that.", or "No, I'd rather not."

[Frogacuda]

Lookie lookie...

http://www.telltalegames.com/samandmax2010

[Ashton]

I'll be damned, I thought they gave up on Sam and Max... crap, that means I'm gonna have to leave the forum... such a bittersweet turn...

[Sausy Gibbon]

The promo alures me with its crypticness (actually a word?)

[Icedhope]

It means, that they'll be coming either the begining of 2010 or mid...I'm thinking.

[Hero1]

Does that background image mean they venture into space this season? [not in a bsotm/cotd way]

[splash1]

At last! 2010 will reveal Max's psychic powers! And... More?

[adventureaddict]

Does that background image mean they venture into space this season? [not in a bsotm/cotd way]

Well, I -think- that's a spaceship.

[Icedhope]

Wooo! SAM AND MAX ARE BACK!

[SHODANFreeman]

Don't forget to scavenge some Easter eggs from the 2010 page...

[Shwoo]

Lookie lookie...

http://www.telltalegames.com/samandmax2010
Oh, there the hell Sam & Max Season 3 is.

[Thespis]

Well, I -think- that's a spaceship.

I'm pretty sure that's a rocket (or bomb?) launcher. You can see the trigger, the scope, and the front looks kind of like one of these:

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Fission/Images/fatman.jpg

[Ashton]

I'm rather confused. From the audio this sounds less and less like the previous Sam and Max games. IT sounds much more serious, and hte comment about "...no longer can you... unleash witty comments..." sounds like they're going to make it even more serious.

Honestly it seems more like a JRPG than a point-and-click adventure game...

[Rather Dashing]

I'm rather confused. From the audio this sounds less and less like the previous Sam and Max games. IT sounds much more serious, and hte comment about "...no longer can you... unleash witty comments..." sounds like they're going to make it even more serious.

Honestly it seems more like a JRPG than a point-and-click adventure game...
...Deja vu.

[MaxTheRabbitThing]

We'll get it in spring of 2010 ^^

[Lena_P]

I bet, I mean, predict the first episode comes out on Janurary 7, 2010 at 18:45 PST.

[MaxTheRabbitThing]

I bet, I mean, predict the first episode comes out on Janurary 7, 2010 at 18:45 PST.

Hugh Bliss, The emo Vampire, The Soda Poppers, and The marachi bands team up against Sam & Max and try to destroy them. That's all.

[Secret Fawful]

Somehow I bet on March for a release date. Dunno why I just do. I don't expect more info until after Christmas or after New Year.

[City Of Delusion]

I'm rather confused. From the audio this sounds less and less like the previous Sam and Max games. IT sounds much more serious, and hte comment about "...no longer can you... unleash witty comments..." sounds like they're going to make it even more serious.

Honestly it seems more like a JRPG than a point-and-click adventure game...

Watch the Season Two teaser trailer again.

[adventureaddict]

I bet, I mean, predict the first episode comes out on Janurary 7, 2010 at 18:45 PST.

Oh god I hope they don't guarentee monthly releases again! I don't think my poor heart could take all that excitement. =P

[Shwoo]

They've always done monthly releases...

[adventureaddict]

Oh huh. I guess I just never noticed it before. =\

[Ashton]

I bet, I mean, predict the first episode comes out on Janurary 7, 2010 at 18:45 PST.

I'm betting midnight, Dec 26th, 2010. else Dec 1st 2010 (for a nice holiday stocking stuffer!)

Watch the Season Two teaser trailer again.

Season 2 trailor was silly as everything. Oddly enough it had nothing to do with S2 except the appearance of the maimtron and showing us a glimpse in stinky's and bosco's

[Falanca]

Season 2 trailor was silly as everything.

We're talking about Sam and Max. It's not a problem. It's a norm.

[adventureaddict]

I'm betting midnight, Dec 26th, 2010. else Dec 1st 2010 (for a nice holiday stocking stuffer!)



D=
You are wrong!
...Please be wrong?
Although late 2010 would give Telltale plenty of time to do something new in the mean time.

But...but you're wrong!

[Lena_P]

I'm betting midnight, Dec 26th, 2010. else Dec 1st 2010 (for a nice holiday stocking stuffer!)


Okay, be honest. You don't really want them to make season three, do you?

[Ashton]

Okay, be honest. You don't really want them to make season three, do you?

ehhh... 70% of me does, but to be honest 30% says that the series ended brilliantly without major holes in the plot any worse than in the comics, and I think the longer soemthing continues the worse it gets untill it's a chore (for example, a certain Anime I used to watch was my FAVORITE... untill epp 75 then it was just in my top 10, by pp 125 it was just one I liked, by 200 I only watched it when I had nothign else, and by 275 I stopped watching it entirely... and AFIK it's run atleast 100 more epps since then)

It's more I like to taunt TTG and it's forumites so that they have to counter so people dont get mad, and thus they release more information, it's psycology (though not that they know it probably wont work anymore...)

[Lena_P]

Well, since they've only made 11 episodes so far I don't think we have to worry about the series going stale quite yet. Especially since, you know, "plot holes" aren't exactly a problem in the Sam and Max "universe" anyway. They have all the narrative consistency of a fever dream.

[Ashton]

Well, since they've only made 11 episodes so far I don't think we have to worry about the series going stale quite yet. Especially since, you know, "plot holes" aren't exactly a problem in the Sam and Max "universe" anyway. They have all the narrative consistency of a fever dream.

That's part of the reason S1+S2 impressed me, they left no major plot holes (well except why the government is watching bosco which imo isnt major and Just who is agent superball since he can time-travel and, again, this is a minor issue - most of hte big holes were filled in)

Part of my point is S2 tied everything up so nicely, it seemed the perfect stopping point, I only hope they make the true ending have such a perfect stop-point (and not "...and they all die!" type ending) I've seen waaaaaay too many series end with MAJOR holes in the plot, like they literally stopped in the middle of the story with a cheasy "and we'll get through it all if we work together" line despite NONE of the major characters' quests being even 1/2 completed! I'd rather see the series end earlier on a good note than later on a bad one.

[Falanca]

No plot holes? And you say it's good?


Sam and Max should... MUST have plotholes.

[Icedhope]

Somehow I bet on March for a release date. Dunno why I just do. I don't expect more info until after Christmas or after New Year.

Middle of january that my prediction.

[splash1]

Well, last time it took 4 months since the announcement for the first Episode of Season 2 to pop out, so I'm guessing some time in April, and if not I will explode and post the video on youtube.

[Icedhope]

Well, last time it took 4 months since the announcement for the first Episode of Season 2 to pop out, so I'm guessing some time in April, and if not I will explode and post the video on youtube.

I don't think they'll wait that long, I mean.. they might, but I'm leaning on no.

[adventureaddict]

Nah, Telltale have grown alot since then, a 4 month wait is unlikely.

[Icedhope]

Nah, Telltale have grown alot since then, a 4 month wait is unlikely.


Yep, so I'm guessing we won't have to wait to long at all.

[pspcoolkid]

@adventureaddict: There is only onle episode left to go for wallace and gromit!
I thought they are releasing only 4 episodes as i think it says get all 4 episodes from season 1 on telltales website but ok i can't wait for the next sam and max episode

[adventureaddict]

I thought they are releasing only 4 episodes as i think it says get all 4 episodes from season 1 on telltales website but ok i can't wait for the next sam and max episode

That was written when there was only 3 episodes out. ;)

[Icedhope]

So...who wants to take a guess that sam and max, will be awesome..aslo I'm writing this because i'm at work, and I have nothing better to post yet.

[adventureaddict]

I will guess that...

It will be awesome!

(Hope you're having fun at work!)

[Icedhope]

I will guess that...

It will be awesome!

(Hope you're having fun at work!)


Yep, so much fun...just walking around a building.

Walk around

Post

Walk around

post

[tredlow]

Sam with a mustache? This will be the greatest game of all eternity!!!!

[Lena_P]

Part of my point is S2 tied everything up so nicely, it seemed the perfect stopping point, I only hope they make the true ending have such a perfect stop-point (and not "...and they all die!" type ending) I've seen waaaaaay too many series end with MAJOR holes in the plot, like they literally stopped in the middle of the story with a cheasy "and we'll get through it all if we work together" line despite NONE of the major characters' quests being even 1/2 completed! I'd rather see the series end earlier on a good note than later on a bad one.

...

Have you read any of the original comics? Seriously, Sam and Max have never belonged to that type of story, it would just be ... weird.

[Ashton]

...

Have you read any of the original comics? Seriously, Sam and Max have never belonged to that type of story, it would just be ... weird.

I was using that as an example... sorry... REALLY good series pissed me off with that "ending" so it's still a bit of a fresh wound in my mind...

Seriously, though, S2 ended so perfectly that it would have been a good palce to leave the series. Nobody can deny that part. I dred season X will suddenly end with only 3 of 5 eppisodes or soemthing...

And acctually some of the comics did have a serious sub-plot to them, but it was played so wacky that nobody took it seriously.

[Icedhope]

I was using that as an example... sorry... REALLY good series pissed me off with that "ending" so it's still a bit of a fresh wound in my mind...

Seriously, though, S2 ended so perfectly that it would have been a good palce to leave the series. Nobody can deny that part. I dred season X will suddenly end with only 3 of 5 eppisodes or soemthing...

And acctually some of the comics did have a serious sub-plot to them, but it was played so wacky that nobody took it seriously.


I guess it's all on perception, season 2 did have a good ending, but it still left me wanting more.

I mean honestly, Steve Purcell and Telltale will know how to end the series.

[HappyCoincidence]

I don't really know/care about spoiler tags, so you're warned.

I don't know about S2 having a perfect ultimate ending. I mean it was perfect for the storyline. It doesn't mean they shouldn't tread forth.

The two seasons have nothing to do with each other. They're independent save for some characters and throwbacks. It was funny how some characters had a bigger role, but it's not like Season 1 had gaping plot holes or hinted towards anything which wasn't answered perfectly only because of Season 2. Admittedly, the time-travel to S1 episodes in S2 was cute, but obviously not part of a plot set in motion from the beginning. It took a couple of characters' roles a bit further, and this will hopefully be done in S3, because we love familiarity and posing questions like "What if so-and-so did such-and-such?" ...and what's-her-face, and cheerleader, and the ugly one.
Season 2 started a new storyline with many of the characters introduced in S1, but mostly new characters. Season 1 wrapped up its story just as well, there just weren't as many factors at play and weren't as large episodes for us to feel as awesome as at the end of What's New Beelzebub?

I've been watching Curb Your Enthusiasm a lot lately and that's what it is. Each Season is a story. There may be a very passing reference to a previous season's episode, but it is not the Season Finales and Premiers of Friends or Lost where we are left wondering or building towards something over an entire series.

And are you SERIOUSLY talking about when to end the series? One step at a time, people.

[HappyCoincidence]

IMPORTANT

I didn't actually compare Friends and Lost. That's the only similarity between them. I just miss Lost so much, I try to throw it into every conversation. Ugh, 7 and a half weeks...

[Ashton]

I'd LOVE to see each season slowly add soemthing ot he plot and have the whole series end with a BLAST that ties together all 7, 10, or 3,000 seasons!

Likewise unlike some her eI would HATE to see a reboot each season. I dont gennerally like truely episodic content (despite the name, TTG's series are Serials, not Episodes)

((on a side note, I loved LOST, I just think they went a little too far and should have ended it a season or so sooner with a slightly less insane plot))