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manicm
08/04/2009, 08:04 am
I'd like to see more adult humour here.

I've played Sam 'N Max and really enjoyed it but still feel the humour is watered down to cater for a family audience, esp. compared to the original.

And I think TOMI's humour is also watered down compared to the original.

Telltale, please for your next franchise create a more adult-oriented game. Some of us are still single you know, and don't have kids yet.

So how about some edgier, darker. more biting humour? Just one season's worth that's all.

And I don't mean every second word has to be a profanity, just something less sugar-coated.

What do others here feel?

Toothless Gibbon
08/04/2009, 08:28 am
I agree to a certain extent but it is aimed at a wide range of players, including kids, so I doubt it will have true "adult" humour.

However the series will get darker as it goes on.

youmaycallmemurray
08/04/2009, 08:44 am
I agree aswell. It's a bit too cute.

coolsome
08/04/2009, 08:45 am
pirate spunk not adult enough?

Purple Tentacle
08/04/2009, 12:30 pm
Not adult enough?


Guybrush stabs Lechuck in the first scene
Punches the first pirate he meets on Flotsam
Is locked in a chair to have his hand chopped off
Makes more than a few sexual innuendo's
The Voodoo Lady tells her love story + "Like a volcano!" line
Marquis De Singe cutting various pirate limbs off
Van Winslow's internal injury remark
Pirate spunk


If anything it's the most sinister and adult themed Monkey Island yet! If you're talking atmosphere though I too would like to see the series progress into a darker and edgier world.

A little more like MI2's Woodtick rather than MI4's Jambalaya.

bigdondoo
08/04/2009, 12:34 pm
Sam and Max lacked Adult Humor!?!

Would you like to rub my unicorn?
Does the carpet match the drapes?
The whole scene where Peepers is seducing Sybil!

As far as Tales of Monkey Island is concerned, look up. ^^^^

What the $#!% do you want!

Ash735
08/04/2009, 12:36 pm
Tales actually has a good few jokes in there which can be regarded as Adult depending on how you think, for example, when Guybrush says to LeChuck "Elaine tends to get cranky when she's tied up for more than a few hours" followed by the look she gave Guybrush, I just burst out laughing. ;)

SHODANFreeman
08/04/2009, 12:42 pm
What the $#!% do you want!

Don't forget the incessant bleeping of the little rat.

bigdondoo
08/04/2009, 12:48 pm
Don't forget the incessant bleeping of the little rat.

I love Timmy and his violent Tourette's syndrome. It's %@#$ing awesome!

wdrpgwd
08/04/2009, 01:17 pm
Max said to the little elf in the santa episode that the elf's dog got ran over and that he tried to draw a picture for him but ran out of red crayons...

hplikelike
08/04/2009, 06:06 pm
I don't think MI's watered down: it's just a different type of humor. Sorry you don't like it.

anthalont
08/05/2009, 01:00 am
Anyone remembers the "fundament" joke? :D

jp-30
08/05/2009, 01:37 am
In Raving Dead, Featherly has a german fan who likes dark meat.

Kenif
08/05/2009, 03:22 am
Sam N Max Season 1 (not played most of season 2) was absolutely hilarious and full of adult humour.

giant_frying_pan
08/05/2009, 03:58 am
So basically the original poster is looking for "mature" humour that isn't subtle.

I recommend Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude.

manicm
08/05/2009, 08:37 am
No, I'm not looking for less subtlety, but anyone who's played the original Sam 'N Max (Lucasarts) will know what I mean.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 08:40 am
Yes, but I've come to realize that there's not much point trying to explain it. Probably wouldn't describe it as "mature", but more "bizarre".

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 08:48 am
I've never played the original Sam n max, could you guys please help me understand what you're getting at? Especially since i'm planning on getting the Wii games?

The Commissioner
08/05/2009, 09:14 am
Sorry but Jurgen's nipple rings come to mind. Plus Specs' S&M demonic outfit...

bigdondoo
08/05/2009, 11:50 am
In Raving Dead, Featherly has a german fan who likes dark meat.

That's an adult joke. Hmmm. I guess I'm not old enough to get it.

No, I'm not looking for less subtlety, but anyone who's played the original Sam 'N Max (Lucasarts) will know what I mean.

No, I don't know what you mean.

taumel
08/05/2009, 12:11 pm
Yes, a fine adult adventure would be great!

Purple Tentacle
08/05/2009, 12:13 pm
No, I'm not looking for less subtlety, but anyone who's played the original Sam 'N Max (Lucasarts) will know what I mean.
I'd actually say the original's of both Monkey Island and Sam and Max were more family friendly than the most recent series.

I will say that the original's have a very different 'feeling' or atmosphere over the more recent interpretations.

Maybe that's what you mean?

But both new series have more than enough adult humour as the many examples posted will show you:)

petethepanda
08/05/2009, 01:11 pm
I found the humor to be rather in line with the third game, which was itself different than 1 and 2's humor.

I'd like a bit more 1-ish humor, and no more "talk to the hand" "jokes," please...

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 03:51 pm
I've never played the original Sam n max, could you guys please help me understand what you're getting at? Especially since i'm planning on getting the Wii games?

OK, I'll try.
The original Sam and Max had a somehow more "untamed" humor, where they would frequently be over-the-top and downright tasteless in order to produce that atmosphere where you could expect anything. You knew that no joke would be too bad for Sam and Max.

Two scenes come to mind:

(While just chatting with Max):
Sam: There's something in my eye
Max: Just pull it out with a fork, that's what I usually do.

(While talking to a constantly swearing guy with a turban at the top of the world's biggest ball of wool, always displayed as %$§$&%§&):
Sam: At-sign, Plus-sign, Dollar-sign...
Max: And don't forget the semicolon
Guy: What are you doing?
Sam: Extensive swearing.

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:08 pm
that DOES sound kind of cool...

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:11 pm
It would really be best if you could play the old game... it's still working nicely on pretty much anything from PDA to game consoles using ScummVM...

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:13 pm
is there a Vista-compatible version?

Ash735
08/05/2009, 04:17 pm
Anything that uses ScummVM, so yeah, Windows is compatable, haha.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:21 pm
ScummVM works on pretty much anything (yes, including Vista and 7... and Linux ... and MacOS... and PalmOS... and PSP ... and ...):

What you do is you get a version of ScummVM from
http://scummvm.org/
(free and open source, like Firefox)

Then you get the normal Sam and Max game from your friendly retailer.
Install both, launch ScummVM and tell it where you've installed Samnmax to and ... that's it. Have fun playing.

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:23 pm
Ah! thanks for the link, but...now where am i going to find a retail copy of Sam and Max? I doubt very much that people still sell it...

Ash735
08/05/2009, 04:25 pm
ScummVM is tested on all products it's designed for, so yeah, there's no compatability issues with Vista nor Windows 7 in the latest SVN release.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:26 pm
There's no ScummVM Vista-edition if that's what you mean, but there's a generic Windows version and the ScummVM team updates it regularly to make sure that it works on all versions of Windows, including Vista. (I'm playing on PalmOS and Windows7 right now).

coolsome
08/05/2009, 04:32 pm
Ah! thanks for the link, but...now where am i going to find a retail copy of Sam and Max? I doubt very much that people still sell it...

I got it 4 50p second hand but the sound doesnt work

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:34 pm
Holy freakin crap on a stick, i just found a copy on E-Bay that says it can be run directly on Vista! Im gonna check this out!

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:38 pm
That usually means that you get ScummVM along with it. Be careful though: It could also mean that it's a pirate copy that somebody burned to a CD along with ScummVM and created a nice cover for. There never was an official Vista version as far as I know.

Anyway, ScummVM gives you the best experience, so why not use it?

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:43 pm
I probably will, IF i can get my hands on some of the old games that go with it...I have nothing right now.

I was never that much of a PC gamer, because all of my computers up until now weren't all that good for playing games on... :(

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:47 pm
If you have a ... how do I put this ... "enhanced" console, chances are there's also a ScummVM version for that, like PSP or PS2.

RankoSao
08/05/2009, 04:54 pm
I don't really like to enhance my consoles..I'm too worried that it'll mess them up. :(

That's one of the reasons i like my DS so much, because i can play import games without needing any of that.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 04:55 pm
Same with my PS3 :) (although I always manage to mess it up anyway, right now it's the drive mechanics)

Shwoo
08/05/2009, 04:57 pm
Referring to Hit the Road as the original Sam & Max is a pet peeve of mine. You can't play the original Sam & Max, you have to read it. And from what I understand, the Telltale episodes are based on that, not Hit the Road.

Anyway, I remember Hit the Road as being pretty family friendly other than the spoon bending guy. Not to the extent of the cartoon, but more so than the the comics and the current games. Here's an over the top and tasteless throwaway part in the Telltale games.

Sam: What do you think of this computer matchmaking business?
Max: It's an abomination! People should find dates the old-fashioned way.
Sam: A chloroformed rag and a dark alley?
Max: What can I say? I'm set in my ways.

And in that same episode, Max tells a dirty and mostly bleeped joke about the Pope, Chester A. Arthur, and a candiru fish.

Also, the line was "swearing in longhand", not "extensive swearing". I don't know if you played it in a different language, I just mentioned it because it changes the meaning of the joke a little.

I was about to say not to judge TOMI on its first episode alone, but then I remembered the Marquis de Singe idol puzzle. You really can't say the episode is lacking in adult humour.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 05:04 pm
I've played it in German, so yes I should have looked it up instead of trying to translate what I remember.

The comics are definitely even more untamed and aggressive, but I'd say that SnMHtR is the closest thing we can get in videogame form.

P.S. (except maybe Day of the Tentacle)

alexonfyre
08/05/2009, 05:09 pm
I played all of the originals, and I also have no idea what you mean. I think the new ones and old ones were both built to be played by young people, while having mature jokes for adults playing as well. I also remember the joke as swearing in longhand, for what it is worth.

hansschmucker
08/05/2009, 05:14 pm
I said, for lack of a better word, "bizarre". Not "mature". I think there's a difference and I think at least some people got it, judging by the reactions on the previous page.

P.S. and I already apologized for mistranslating.

MusicallyInspired
08/05/2009, 05:33 pm
I played all of the originals, and I also have no idea what you mean. I think the new ones and old ones were both built to be played by young people, while having mature jokes for adults playing as well. I also remember the joke as swearing in longhand, for what it is worth.

Sam: "Percent sign ampersand dollar sign!"
Max: "And colon semi-colon, too!"
Guy: "What are you &#*in' doing?"
Sam: "Swearing in longhand, asterisk-mouth."

thatdude98
08/05/2009, 07:35 pm
I'd like to see more adult humor here.

I've played Sam 'N Max and really enjoyed it but still feel the humor is watered down to cater for a family audience, esp. compared to the original.

And I think TOMI's humor is also watered down compared to the original.

Telltale, please for your next franchise create a more adult-oriented game. Some of us are still single you know, and don't have kids yet.

So how about some edgier, darker. more biting humor? Just one season's worth that's all.

And I don't mean every second word has to be a profanity, just something less sugar-coated.

What do others here feel?

N-O. No. I like it that they try to make their games more family oriented. Hasn't Monkey Island (not so sure about sam and max) always tried to be more for a family audience? Besides, are you saying that you'd like an 'M' season of Sam and Max with humor like South Park? I'm sorry, but I'd rather not feel dirty when playing one of my favorite games.

bigdondoo
08/06/2009, 10:47 am
...but I'd say that SnMHtR is the closest thing we can get in videogame form...

P.S. (except maybe Day of the Tentacle)

It took me 5 minutes to figure out what SnMHtR was. Seriously, I #$%^@$@ hate abbreviations.

Barnabus
08/06/2009, 11:22 am
I said, for lack of a better word, "bizarre". Not "mature". I think there's a difference and I think at least some people got it, judging by the reactions on the previous page.

P.S. and I already apologized for mistranslating.

I totally agree with you. I think when people hear 'adult' humour in this discussion they assume you mean innuendo, crude jokes etc, which isn't what I think any of these games need at all. When I say I wish the humour was more 'adult' I mean I wish it had more bite, wit, and edge.

Case in point: I loved MI2 when I was younger, yet when I replayed it years later at age 25 it didn't feel watered down to cater for a young audience at all, it felt sharp, slyly witty and with a slightly surreal, chaotic air about it - pretty much exactly how I like my humour as an adult. I do find the games from MI3 onwards, including episode 1 of Tales sadly, to be overly gentle and relatively toothless.

bobhobbit
08/06/2009, 01:14 pm
I totally agree with you. I think when people hear 'adult' humour in this discussion they assume you mean innuendo, crude jokes etc, which isn't what I think any of these games need at all. When I say I wish the humour was more 'adult' I mean I wish it had more bite, wit, and edge.

Case in point: I loved MI2 when I was younger, yet when I replayed it years later at age 25 it didn't feel watered down to cater for a young audience at all, it felt sharp, slyly witty and with a slightly surreal, chaotic air about it - pretty much exactly how I like my humour as an adult. I do find the games from MI3 onwards, including episode 1 of Tales sadly, to be overly gentle and relatively toothless.

Well, MI2 was certainly not above a crude joke every now and then.

Mr. Willy Gorilla
Arrested for grinding his organ in public.

hansschmucker
08/06/2009, 01:38 pm
It took me 5 minutes to figure out what SnMHtR was. Seriously, I #$%^@$@ hate abbreviations.

Sorry about that... I don't even remember why I didn't write it out.

dumpling321
08/06/2009, 01:44 pm
I love Timmy and his violent Tourette's syndrome. It's %@#$ing awesome!

HEY!! i personally HAVE tourette syndrome and i don't find that funny...

okay well actually i do, it's funny because it's all sooo true xD i found it even funnier when they dropped the censorship and he wasn't really saying anything truly bad... i hate to say it but i hope he never gets that surgery for his terminal touretts xD

Nimeni
08/06/2009, 02:00 pm
I really don't think I'd care for something more "explicit." I like where it is as far as that goes. And yes, I'm young and single. So I don't think you can widely say that audience wants that. Frankly, the last thing I want is a repeat Leisure-Suit-Larry scenario where a humorous medium turns into something entirely different.

Zany-er, on the other hand, I would go for. The cartoons were crazy-off-the-wall, which I loved. Same with the books. The jokes didn't feel lude because they were so ridiculous. Like Sam's ramblings about sailors mistaking seals for mermaids, leading up to awkward moments.

I DO wish Sam and Max were more off the wall, though. I just don't see Telltale's Max saying things like, "I had no idea my skull was threaded for easy access!"

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 02:09 pm
I think the humor in the first two was kind of mean and cynical (especially LR), but I mean that in a good way.

Barnabus
08/06/2009, 03:31 pm
Yes, the more meanness and cynicism in Monkey Island the better as far as I'm concerned! And the more chaos, surreality and insanity in Sam and Max the better.

thatdude98
08/06/2009, 05:17 pm
Yes, the more meanness and cynicism in Monkey Island the better as far as I'm concerned! And the more chaos, surreality and insanity in Sam and Max the better.

But didn't you feel piteous for some of them? The characters receiving the meanness, i mean?

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 05:49 pm
But didn't you feel piteous for some of them? The characters receiving the meanness, i mean?

That's some mighty liberal talk for a conservative republican! No, but seriously, I think a lot of the cynicism was directed at the player. The TM's, the Loom sales pitch, lines like (probably paraphrasing) "I can't help but feel like I've just been ripped off. I'm sure you're feeling something similar," and of course the final dialogue option, "never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."

After replaying the SE, I noticed how Guybrush's dialogue options sort of allow you to choose his personality. Wannabe tough guy, innocent moron (to Shinetop: "oh, did you hear something back here too?"), or snarky jerk. In LR, I thought the snarky jerk version came to the fore a bit, while wannabe tough guy and innocent moron kind of melded into clueless cad. The Elaine reunion on Booty Island springs to mind, with all the hilariously offensive dialogue options. You finally succeed in sweet-talking her, only to reveal that all you care about is her Big Whoop map piece.

WedgeWalker
08/06/2009, 07:24 pm
I'm ok with the tone of the humor in TMI Ep 1. I find it to be a nice balance.

I thought it was quite funny.

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 07:32 pm
I'm ok with the tone of the humor in TMI Ep 1. I find it to be a nice balance.

I thought it was quite funny.

Agreed. I think the MI world and cast is pretty flexible to tonal interpretation (can't believe I just said "tonal interpretation"), compared to, say, Sam & Max or Wallace & Gromit, which have pretty specific tones that are sorta nail or fail. Above all, I think the spirit of MI is what must be retained in any future incarnations.

Ezny
08/06/2009, 07:42 pm
I don't think this is a valid complaint because I dont remember any of the other MI games to be THAT edgy, and I just replayed 1 and 3 last month..

Sure there's a little innuendo here and there but I dont really think the MI series has really ever had the blunt type of somewhat adult humor of Sam & Max. As for S&M Season two, there's been a couple times where I turned the volume down a notch so my neighbors didnt think I was a nutcase lol. Play that one if you haven't already...

But I'm assuming you already have and there was something to complain about, right? :D :o

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 07:50 pm
I don't think this is a valid complaint because I dont remember any of the other MI games to be THAT edgy, and I just replayed 1 and 3 last month..

You mean the OP? I don't think it was a complaint so much as one person's opinion, and he politely asked what everyone else thought at the end of his post. Seems like he was just trying to get a discussion going about what type of humor is appropriate in MI, how far can it be taken? That sort of thing. I think it's totally valid, and an interesting topic to boot.

Ezny
08/06/2009, 07:52 pm
Oh I thought he was complaining. I'm always open for discussion. My bad

Ezny
08/06/2009, 07:56 pm
As for the older Sam & Max games, I tried to find some a few years back when I had run out of adventure games to play, but I couldnt find a single one so I dont what they're like but I know they've been out for a long time, even before the first Monkey Island if I'm not mistaken...

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 07:57 pm
No worries. You made some good points in your post too

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 07:59 pm
As for the older Sam & Max games, I tried to find some a few years back when I had run out of adventure games to play, but I couldnt find a single one so I dont what they're like but I know they've been out for a long time, even before the first Monkey Island if I'm not mistaken...

Nope, there's only one older game, Sam & Max Hit the Road, released in '93 I believe. Still have the original copy I bought for my 486

Ezny
08/06/2009, 08:19 pm
Cool, thank you. That's surprising to hear there was only one other game before season 1 and 2. Maybe I'll find it someday.

agcereniv
08/06/2009, 09:29 pm
I would actually have to say that the starting post caught me a bit off guard... the clarifications have helped, but I'm probably like many of the other commentators in that I literally grew up with the MI games, starting on our Commodore Amiga 64 for MI 1&2, then to my PC for 3&4 (which I'd personally like to take a red-hot poker to the parts of my brain 4 is stored in). After waiting years, I'm glad to say that Ep1 looks to redeem the franchise, and I had several chuckles and even a couple of outright laughs. I found the humor to be spot on and with appropriate ties to 1,2&3.

BTW, as the ADD has kicked in, I'm surprised no one has brought up the whole use of the Deep Throat reference - which, while clearly in reference to Watergate, it was used there in reference to truly adult material. Again, I know this has been clarified, but thought I would throw it out there.

I digress. What I am meaning to say is there there are several jokes that I know my (substantially) younger brother would not get that I do. Or, if he did, would not appreciate fully. And, as another has pointed out, we're only in Ep1. The titles alone seem to indicate that the plot gets edgier as we go.

So, like fine wine, give it some time, let it breathe, then take it slow - one swallow at a time.

agcereniv
08/06/2009, 09:35 pm
Another thought - it took me a few minutes to get it when I first played through, but consider the whole reference to the wind gods... each of those were allegories that it would take an older mind to infer. Also, the underpants and the bomb. And the glass unicorns. And the shocking monkey. And the references to grog vs root beer (or was it lite grog - need to play it again). Or the seeming attraction of Elaine to a human LeChuck. Or the porcelain "action figures" (a bit of cultural commentary).

I'm just going off my recollection from binging on the episode when it first came out, but that is what I remember - I'm sure there are important details I'm leaving out, but, as I said, that's off the cuff.

Juicius Maximus
08/06/2009, 09:53 pm
Just a side note, but I believe all those wind god names (as well as book titles on voodoo lady's shelf) were handpicked by the staff from user submissions. (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9029) Entered a few myself, but alas, no such luck. Maybe next time!

Randulf
08/07/2009, 06:35 pm
There is also same-sex attraction in Sam and Max: Harry Moleman has a great time frisking Sam, although he is "not that desperate" to rub Sam's unicorn. Too bad he is to ruin his cred by attempting to date Sybil.

thatdude98
08/08/2009, 08:56 am
There is also same-sex attraction in Sam and Max: Harry Moleman has a great time frisking Sam, although he is "not that desperate" to rub Sam's unicorn. Too bad he is to ruin his cred by attempting to date Sybil.

Yeah, people claim that the new sam and maxes are 'watered down', but if you play season two it's overloaded with a lot of humor that's downright adult. Season one had a lot of 'adult' humor, too. I couldn't imagine kids younger than 13 playing either.

youmaycallmemurray
08/09/2009, 03:35 pm
It's more of the general tone of the game and art direction that I would like a bit "darker" and mature. I'd say Sam N' Max does it just right.

Jace Taran
08/09/2009, 09:02 pm
Yeah, people claim that the new sam and maxes are 'watered down', but if you play season two it's overloaded with a lot of humor that's downright adult. Season one had a lot of 'adult' humor, too. I couldn't imagine kids younger than 13 playing either.

Exactly. Episode 204, especially. It's full of stuff that is sexual in nature pretty much no matter where your mind is (ie, you don't have to be a gutter-minded individual).

-You can change the personality of the ship's computer AI to "suggestive", and then everything it says has innuendo, especially if you ask it how to use the time machine.

-When you look at the letter from JFK to his mistress Maxine (found at Stinky's Diner during the 80s), it's FULL of very, very suggestive innuendos. Look at it both before and after you get it out of the frame, and you get a completely new set of innuendos. "And don't forget to wear that dress, the one that lets me see your..." Sam:"Wow! I didn't think they knew that word back then!" Then "And sweet caresses down your...".

-Then there's Momma Bosco and her baby making machine, as well as her crush on Max.

And that wasn't even all of it. Seriously, that episode was pretty twisted when it comes to adult humor.

hansschmucker
08/09/2009, 09:42 pm
*sigh* we're not talking about sexual stuff.

thatdude98
08/09/2009, 09:49 pm
*sigh* we're not talking about sexual stuff.

well usually 'adult' humor is referred to as profanity, sex, gratuitous violence, etc. It confused me when the OP said it. Darker humor is just called darker humor, right?

hansschmucker
08/09/2009, 10:14 pm
Poor choice of words indeed, but I didn't think it was particularly hard to understand for somebody who played DOTT and SamnMax, since there were hardly any sexual jokes in either one.

thatdude98
08/10/2009, 08:05 am
Poor choice of words indeed, but I didn't think it was particularly hard to understand for somebody who played DOTT and SamnMax, since there were hardly any sexual jokes in either one.

Yes. There weren't.

Jace Taran
08/10/2009, 08:49 am
I know we weren't talking about sexual humor necessarily, but the reason I pointed that stuff out was to refute the OP's point that the newer Sam and Max is "watered down for families." I also know that there weren't really any sexual jokes in Hit the Road, but that wasn't my point.

SubSidal
08/10/2009, 01:14 pm
The Marquis-in-the-idol puzzle was clearly intended to have sexual connotations...

hansschmucker
08/10/2009, 02:02 pm
"The neverending sto-o-oryyyyy...."

bigdondoo
08/10/2009, 02:03 pm
Don't look at me. You sort of started it.

hansschmucker
08/10/2009, 02:06 pm
W-w-what? How come I should be the one responsible for this mess?

Jace Taran
08/10/2009, 02:32 pm
Because he said so, obviously. :p

Purple Tentacle
08/10/2009, 02:42 pm
Adult humour I would have thought was 'humour suitable only for adults' or 'adult content'. That's why everyone (including myself) keeps bringing up examples of sexual innuendo, violence, swearing etc in both MI and S&M.

So now I understand what was meant by 'watered down' I disagree.

A lot of us who played these games were still kids ourselves when the original games were released and i'd argue they were just as family friendly then as they are now.

You could argue that you thought the writing in the original games was wittier and the jokes more intelligent (note: Not my opinion, loving it all) if that's how you feel but there was still always a mixture for everyone to enjoy.

The puzzles aren't as difficult in the most recent series but the reasons for that have been explained by TTG on numourous occasions. Actually for the most part they're probably easier because you can solve them via logic rather than guessing games.

No more Use Biscuit Cutter on rubber tree for example:confused:

So while I can see significant differences between old and new, I wouldn't say anything has really become more family friendly. Just atmosphere feels a little different (compare Melee Island to Flotsam) and some of the characters a little less pirate-y (compare Mancomb to Gaffer).

That's not to say the new characters and environments weren't enjoyable and well done, but even the most hardcore of fans can't deny a big difference between them.

Toothless Gibbon
08/10/2009, 02:47 pm
I think I'll reserve judgement on this until I've played the whole season.

MrFerder
08/10/2009, 04:57 pm
Just played Lechuck's Revenge again. The biggest difference to how the humour is handled in it compared to Tales (and maybe Curse and Escape, I can't remember) is that there were multiple ways to say things to people, with each option being more outrageous then the last. You could choose to make Guybrush act either moderately polite or fairly cheeky and uncaring about whether he was being rude or offensive (which was probably one of the funnest aspects of the game).
In Tales, though, even if these options came up none of them could be used. Guybrush would always just say the polite, if somewhat sarcastic, option. The only time this happens in Lechuck's Revenge is when he is talking to LeChuck and that's just because he's too scared stiff to make a joke.
I wonder if it's because they could get away with more dialogue options in a text-based game rather than a voice-based game, since they weren't paying for actor recordings.

alexonfyre
08/10/2009, 07:18 pm
I don't think this is a valid complaint because I dont remember any of the other MI games to be THAT edgy, and I just replayed 1 and 3 last month..

Sure there's a little innuendo here and there but I dont really think the MI series has really ever had the blunt type of somewhat adult humor of Sam & Max. As for S&M Season two, there's been a couple times where I turned the volume down a notch so my neighbors didnt think I was a nutcase lol. Play that one if you haven't already...

But I'm assuming you already have and there was something to complain about, right? :D :o

I wanna second this, I am playing through SnMS2 right now and it is VULGAR! I like it, but wow, I would feel very uncomfortable playing with my mother , unlike Monkey Island. If you want dry, sardonic wit and slapstick cartoon kitsch all in one package, play the first couple of episodes of that.

Toothless Gibbon
08/10/2009, 10:13 pm
Just played Lechuck's Revenge again. The biggest difference to how the humour is handled in it compared to Tales (and maybe Curse and Escape, I can't remember) is that there were multiple ways to say things to people, with each option being more outrageous then the last. You could choose to make Guybrush act either moderately polite or fairly cheeky and uncaring about whether he was being rude or offensive (which was probably one of the funnest aspects of the game).
In Tales, though, even if these options came up none of them could be used. Guybrush would always just say the polite, if somewhat sarcastic, option. The only time this happens in Lechuck's Revenge is when he is talking to LeChuck and that's just because he's too scared stiff to make a joke.
I wonder if it's because they could get away with more dialogue options in a text-based game rather than a voice-based game, since they weren't paying for actor recordings.

It doesn't actually make any difference which option you choose though does it?

MrFerder
08/11/2009, 08:42 am
It doesn't actually make any difference which option you choose though does it?
Yes, the character would have a different reply depending on what you said. This game the potential for the game to play a little differently every time you played it (at least as far as dialogue is concerned, the story or actions never could be changed). In most of the newer games, you'll usualy get a chance to hear almost every line of recorded dialogue the first time through.