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Butterscotch-Biros
08/19/2009, 12:08 am
Go ahead, vote, we all want to know the general hatred is of the board, also if you have time try to say why you think that episode is the worst. :)
SHODANFreeman
08/19/2009, 09:54 am
I love all of them, but if I had to pick, it'd be Situation: Comedy. I don't know why, I just seem to enjoy that one less than the rest.
StrongBadinator
08/19/2009, 01:03 pm
yeah, it was the first episode, but i'd say Culture Shock. not as exciting as the others.
MaxFan
08/19/2009, 01:28 pm
Really the first half of season one is noticeably not as good as what comes after, but I'd say out of those, Situation: Comedy was my least favorite.
Woodsyblue
08/19/2009, 08:51 pm
I voted for Culture Shock. Bit of an unfortunate intro to the series. An episode centered around Brady Culture and the Soda Poppers. Um... no.
Thankfully Sam & Max has just been getting better and better and by the end of Season 2 it really became something special. Good job, Telltale, I highly look forward to Season 3 :D
S@bre
08/21/2009, 02:41 pm
Who was the feckless ingrate who voted for Sam & Max Hit the Road? Own up! A mob wants to lynch you.
I went for Culture Shock. Whilst adequate at the time, looking back with retrospective of the later Telltale games, it was a really naff episode.
Butterscotch-Biros
08/22/2009, 01:35 am
Who was the feckless ingrate who voted for Sam & Max Hit the Road? Own up! A mob wants to lynch you.
Ingrates now :(
I'm surprised nobody's got it in for Ice Station Santa. What's going on people? I certainly thought it to be the worst of season 2.
I went for Culture Shock. Whilst adequate at the time, looking back with retrospective of the later Telltale games, it was a really naff episode.
Yeah looking back I felt it wasn't as good as I had thought, and consequently recently bumped down from my #3 to #5 position in my favourite S+M's, but I still enjoy the logical plot, puzzles and the psychology testings.
Pantagruel's Friend
08/23/2009, 01:09 pm
I'm surprised nobody's got it in for Ice Station Santa. What's going on people? I certainly thought it to be the worst of season 2.
I, on the other hand, think it was a blistering season opener.
"A hairy... bloated... pagan god... Santa Claus!" - this is probably my favourite scene from the entirety of the two series. Also, it featured 4 different Santa Clauses (hey, is this a legal plural at all?), and the SCB. What's not to love?
but I still enjoy the logical plot, puzzles and the psychology testings.
Oh yes, the psychology puzzle was a classic! :cool:
der_ketzer
08/23/2009, 01:09 pm
Moai Better Blues:
I really dont like babies and drug abuse in video games.
guitarsareboring
08/25/2009, 03:23 pm
Moai Better Blues:
I really dont like babies and drug abuse in video games.
Almost went for that but decided on Bright Side of the Moon
WinterSnowblind
08/26/2009, 02:17 am
Ingrates now :(
I'm surprised nobody's got it in for Ice Station Santa. What's going on people? I certainly thought it to be the worst of season 2.
I enjoyed Ice-Station Santa a lot. It was the first episode I played, and I thought it was a great introduction to the series. It's certainly better than Moai Better Blues and Far Side of the Moon.
The only other episode I didn't particularly enjoy was Culture Shock, and I'd have to say that's the absolute worst. Like I said, I wasn't around at the begining, but I can't believe many were happy with that as the introduction to the new Sam & Max.
I'm surprised to see so much hate for Situation Comedy though, that was one of my favourites :)
The Highway
08/26/2009, 02:32 am
Although they are all great, my least favourite, after playing several today, would have to be The Mole, the Mob & the Meatball. I mean, even though it is fantastic... meh.
JohanShogun
08/26/2009, 05:01 am
Reality 2.0, I thought it was silly, not that funny and the plot line not corresponding the general feel of the series.
Reality 2.0, I thought it was silly, not that funny and the plot line not corresponding the general feel of the series.
I agree. Reality 2.0 sort of felt off because Sam and Max, along with every other telltale series, seems to come from a not-modern setting. Strong Bad is like an 80sfest, Wallace and Gromit is like the 60s and 70s, and TOMI is in the 17th century. I imagine Sam and Max taking place in the late eighties.
Pantagruel's Friend
08/26/2009, 10:58 am
I agree. Reality 2.0 sort of felt off because Sam and Max, along with every other telltale series, seems to come from a not-modern setting. Strong Bad is like an 80sfest, Wallace and Gromit is like the 60s and 70s, and TOMI is in the 17th century. I imagine Sam and Max taking place in the late eighties.
Well, do you know when Al Gore built the original Internet? :D
youmaycallmemurray
08/27/2009, 06:07 am
Hmm the 2 first and Moai are the ones I like the least but I picked Moai, because it was Easter Island was just plain ugly and not that interesting characters (esp the 3 babies), the surfin contest was waaay too easy, and it seemed sometimes that it was very unclear what to do.
Darth Marsden
08/27/2009, 09:14 am
M³.*
All the other episodes had their moments, but aside from Max's 'death' speech, M³ didn't have anything that really stood out for me, making it the worst.
*(Or, in layman's terms, The Mole, The Mob and The Meatball)
Homestarlover
08/27/2009, 10:28 pm
I didn't like 102 as much, cause it was kinda....i don't really know the word for it....can some1 help me!!??
I didn't like 102 as much, cause it was kinda....i don't really know the word for it....can some1 help me!!??
Short? Easy? Not necessary?
SHODANFreeman
08/28/2009, 03:51 pm
M³.*
All the other episodes had their moments, but aside from Max's 'death' speech, M³ didn't have anything that really stood out for me, making it the worst.
*(Or, in layman's terms, The Mole, The Mob and The Meatball)
You can't abbreviate it as M³ because the Mole, Mob, and Meatball aren't being multiplied, they're being added. M+M+M would be more mathematically accurate.
Butterscotch-Biros
08/29/2009, 12:04 pm
You can't abbreviate it as M³ because the Mole, Mob, and Meatball aren't being multiplied, they're being added. M+M+M would be more mathematically accurate.
3M?
SHODANFreeman
08/29/2009, 05:21 pm
3M?
That would also be accurate
DrRocketGenius
08/30/2009, 12:48 pm
Moai Better Blues. The solutions were...odd, and I just didn't enjoy the story.
To the person who voted 204: why? :(
Vondur
08/30/2009, 06:00 pm
Wow I can't believe everyone is voting against Situation: Comedy, lol. That still stands as one of my favorite episodes yet. I especially loved the Midtown Cowboys puzzle. The only thing that kind of took away from the quality of that episode was the fact that the voices weren't totally matured yet. Sam sounds ok, but Max is waaay off.
I also loved Culture Shock lol.
Anyway, my vote went to Reality 2.0. I agree with whoever said it wasn't fitting for the time period of this game. I also imagine Sam and Max to be more 80's-90's oriented. The internet thing didn't go well with the feel of the game. I also just didn't care for the puzzles as much, and the text based part at the end was just downright annoying. I have to confess to using walkthroughs on a lot of that episode just to get it overwith.
seanparkerfilms
09/01/2009, 07:50 am
I voted for Situation: Comedy but I like the episode overall. It lacked the "fresh factor" that the first had, but upon replaying the first game... maybe I should voted for Culture Shock, seeing how it's only real one-upmanship of 102 is that the locations hadn't been seen before. I dunno.
For season two, I'd pick Moai Better Blues. For some reason I'm not a fan of tropical/island vacation settings. Funny stuff in there, to be sure, but I thought Ice Station Santa was way, way better. Overall, I find it a bit difficult to say what episode is worst. To me, none of them even come close to being bad!
Homestarlover
09/02/2009, 08:39 pm
Short? Easy? Not necessary?
Yeah! That'll do. Thanks!
Trica
09/03/2009, 04:05 am
Well, S&M ARE living on this century in S1, (according to Purcell's webcomic), so.. the futuristic feeling of 2.0 didn't really bother me. It was fun how they didn't really care or trust in computers, which still showed their dedication to the 80-90's. :D
Personally, I thought Reality 2.0 was fun in it's own way. I have to say that the soundtrack was a bit annoying, though.
As for the worst episode, I would point to Culture Shock. I found Soda Poppers kinda annoying. And when they were hypnotized? Double the annoying-ess. :D It just wasn't as fun as the rest of the season. (though it still had its star-moments.
purple_monkfish
09/10/2009, 10:21 am
Situation comedy, but only because of that BLOODY ANNOYING AND TEDIOUS midtown cowboys puzzle. GAH!
purple_monkfish
09/10/2009, 10:23 am
Reality 2.0 was my fave! I loved the homage to old text adventures, it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Timothy
09/10/2009, 11:03 pm
Culture Shock. It amazes me that anyone would think differently. It was awful in the same way the a six-year-old's artwork is awful; a beautiful effort, I appreciated it at the time, I would never ridicule the artist (Telltale) for it, but now that that six-year-old has grown up a bit more and is painting masterpieces, their earlier works simply cannot stand up to criticism.
The only thing I liked about that episode was Sam's "another boot to the pasty ass of crime." It was like he was letting us know, "okay, with that out of the way--let's get started!"
I'm not old enough to remember the text-based adventures of times past firsthand, and I loved Reality 2.0 and its awesomely epic ending. My sister's twelve, and also found it fascinating, fun, and scary in its own way (the silence is what did it). Leaving the whole situation to our imaginations, as well as Sam and Max's, was just a purely ingenious move...but I can see how philistines may not appreciate it. ;)
And for the record, I see each episode as a part of a whole. Which is why Situation: Comedy and Culture Shock remain at the bottom of my list. Situation: Comedy was simply unspectacular, uneventful, and really pretty unfulfilling--the color scheme of the episode was pretty bland, there were few jazzy cues from Mr. Emerson-Johnson, and Sybil had her least interesting job (besides Culture Shock, but she was just being introduced) of the whole game. The ending was pretty "meh" too, with an oddly boring buildup to a fizzling climax. There's just not much to like there, from where I stand.
On the other hand, I had no idea anyone harbored ill will towards Bright Side of the Moon! This was the climatic finish, the penultimate grand finale! My sister and I have never witnessed such a great buildup to a villain-reveal. The sheer fun, epicness, and scope of this final chapter from a storytelling standpoint totally makes up for any shortcomings in gameplay, methinks. The genuine malice of Hugh Bliss alongside the effective feeling of peril for our normally tongue-in-cheek heroes I thought made for an amazing ride. ...gosh, I wish I could play it for the first time again.
Hugh Bliss remains one of my favorite villains of all time.
GinnyN
09/11/2009, 04:57 am
In the way I see it, I played again the Chapters in order, and the worst episodes for me are actually the ones which can't surpass the last one in exitement. I admit this "technique" left Culture Shock without competition, but they outline almost perfectly Sybill and Bosco, and, if wasn't for that, they will not as good as they was the later episodes. You can said I rate the episodes for their "job" (And I really like introduction episodes for some reason ^^!).
The season 1 started quite good and then they gets better and better. You can said the season was round. Season 2 for the other side, starts brilliant, but the Second Episode is kind of lame compared with the first. Then gets better and better. So, Moai Better Blues didn't do its job of been a bit better than Ice Station Santa, and that why, for me, its the worst episode. Probably, as a stand alone episode were better than the first three episodes of Season 1, but, didn't do it's job of keep the exitement of the first episode too well.
108 Stars
09/23/2009, 06:49 pm
I only played 2 episodes so far; Culture Shock since I could pick an episode for free, and Abe Lincoln must die since it is available as freeware.
I must say that the Lincoln episode by far surpasses Culture Shock. Culture Shock was so incredibly easy, with such a tiny game world. It was still funny, but not really well done as a game.
The Lincoln episode on the other hand got me stuck about a couple of times and was realy funny too.
You´ll kill me for this, but I must say that both of the episodes imho wipe the floor with S & M hit the road though. I could never get into that game, I really dislike it. So Telltales really are the ones who first made me appreciate the franchise at all. :)
seanparkerfilms
09/23/2009, 09:03 pm
108 Stars, I'm a heretic too. I mean, I thought Hit the Road was not a bad game, in fact I enjoyed it quite a lot, but the pacing was nowhere near the level of greatness I think Telltale has been able to achieve. Also, the fact that almost every location in the game is some kind of touristy road stop got a little bland to me before long. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of other people to agree with us, though.
108 Stars
09/24/2009, 06:51 pm
You explained it pretty well. :) Also, afaik Hit the Road was the first Scumm-game not to have the on-screen commands...and it shows. It is really kind of uncomfortable to switch between so many different actions, I often accidently try to pick up something instead of using it and vice versa. Max regularely stepping into the way is no help either; often I wanna do something with a background element, but end up using Max.
seanparkerfilms
09/24/2009, 08:25 pm
Yes... I too missed all the on-screen verb options! Telltale's single-click interface does just fine in its stead, though.
MusicallyInspired
09/24/2009, 09:48 pm
I...I can't vote in this thread.
I'm even too scared to read the current poll results so far.
riappi
10/03/2009, 12:33 pm
Moai Better Blues gets my vote. I like it once they got into the underwater part with the Sea Monkey people. I thought a lot of the cut scenes were funny and I was very happy to see little Sam sporting the little Max T-shirt.
That said, babies that talk like adults is the absolute lowest form of comedy. It's not funny with those stock trade commercials, it's not funny on Family Guy, it's not funny on the Look Who's Talking movies. There's just nothing funny about it. Also, the episode is pretty short in comparison to the rest of season 2 and some of the puzzles are kind of a stretch. For some reason I decided to shoot the Gong in Stinky's at the beginning of the game, when Sybil is being chased. I forget what gets said but whatever it was, I remember it causing me to assume there was no reason to ever go back to it when in fact I needed to.
I'm not sure why people don't like Bright Side of the Moon, I thought it was very strong finish. I'll admit I like Situation:Comedy and The Mob, the Mole and the Meatball better than most people, while disliking Abe Lincoln Must Die and Reality 2.0 more than most people. The puzzle solving in the final act of ALMD was like turning on a light switch, walking to the other side of your house to turn on another light switch, then walking back to the first side of your house to turn the first switch off and then repeating the process about 5 times. Reality 2.0 was okay but the jokes were a little cliche but it had its moments. I liked Culture Shock a lot too. Ice Station Santa was a good season opener and I think once they got to Night of the Raving Dead, every episode was raising the bar tremendously.
taumel
10/04/2009, 04:50 am
Moai Better Blues, quite a piece of crap.
Especially the first serie also had some not this exciting content but each episode had their nice moments.
Testikkeli
10/06/2009, 10:21 am
Reality 2.0, I thought it was silly, not that funny and the plot line not corresponding the general feel of the series.
Just finished this episode and really hated it!
edit: also I almost punched my monitor because I couldn't skip the musical part in the Abe Lincoln episode.
kksmith
10/07/2009, 10:51 am
Having not really played Season 1 (except Culture Shock) I had to go with Moai Better Blues as well. I agree with the others - I didn't like the babies at all. And the gong puzzle was the first time I actually had to look up hints, because that was completely out there and frankly, still makes no sense to me (I guess it's supposed to be like the stop sign? I still don't know). On the flip side, the "Max as the High Priest" puzzles felt way too obvious.
I will give it credit for having a funny bit with the COPS and their "amazing, completely original idea music game!" though :)
Pantagruel's Friend
10/07/2009, 01:16 pm
I guess it's supposed to be like the stop sign?
No, it was the color that mattered - gold gong summoned gold triangle, silver gong summoned silver triangle - if you wanted to get the red triangle closer to Stinky's, then you needed a red gong. It was logical in a Sam&Max kind of way...
Butterscotch-Biros
10/08/2009, 08:50 am
No, it was the color that mattered - gold gong summoned gold triangle, silver gong summoned silver triangle - if you wanted to get the red triangle closer to Stinky's, then you needed a red gong. It was logical in a Sam&Max kind of way...
Yeah, I found it tough, but I still figured it out without hints.
It was very rewarding looking for some kind of portal device, only to find it had been lurking in Stinky's
doodo!
10/09/2009, 11:34 am
I'm playing Moai Better Blues and looking for some bassalt.
Butterscotch-Biros
10/09/2009, 11:59 am
I'm playing Moai Better Blues and looking for some bassalt.
Then find it. :p
HitTheRoad
10/09/2009, 08:24 pm
Well now, my vote just made Moai a clean 25%. :D
There's just something a bit off about Moai. It's not bad, by any stretch; to call it "the worst" episode is much like talking about "the cheapest" Ferrari - It's great in it's own right but is far less great than it's counterparts. I just found a couple of the puzzles to be boring and the babies to be tremendously irritating. But it had it's moments, such as the stoned Easter Island statue. Classic. :)
I'm surprised to see so little love for Culture Shock, personally. I had remembered Sam & Max from times past, but Culture Shock renewed my love for the duo. Someone please tell me that I'm not alone in thinking that having a grown hippie child star use hypnosis on annoying television brats to vandalize towns as a propagandistic measure for personal gain is an absolutely fantastic way to begin a series about a justice-loving six-foot dog and his violently unstable hyperkinetic rabbity-thing of a partner. Have I made my point clear?
And whoever voted 204: seriously? I mean, to each his own, but I'd like to know why. I thought it was pure gold (my favorite episode, in fact).
seanparkerfilms
10/10/2009, 11:24 pm
I certainly enjoyed Culture Shock on the first playthrough, but I didn't think it held up quite as well as the others. Not a bad game by any means, but harder to get into when you know the best stuff is a ways off. But yes, your plot synopsis is right on the money. It had a wacko charm that was a nice way to start things off.
Testikkeli
10/11/2009, 12:44 am
I just got done with Moai, and I actually really liked it :) 2.0 is still the worst for me... I also didn't care for the Night of the Raving Dead that much.
doodo!
10/11/2009, 05:49 am
I just got done with Moai, and I actually really liked it :) 2.0 is still the worst for me... I also didn't care for the Night of the Raving Dead that much.
I sort of like it only because everyone else hates it, probably. It's not the worse thing I've ever played. I liked the sea cave and the game had its momments. The part of the game that took me a while was actually getting the *spoilers*
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But I got through it, with just a few hints :p I just don't have time to play these games as much as I used to anymore. It may seem I have a lot of free time because of my post count but I am doing other things most the time in those moments in between, seconds in between. Today is a weekend day though, so....most of my school work is done on a computer...
Butterscotch-Biros
10/12/2009, 12:59 pm
I actually find it to be the best episode of season 2 (as you can see from my ratings below). It's got everything - great sound, great puzzles, quite funny - ok the island location is abit drab, but that's my only gripe at it.
Meltac
10/18/2009, 07:25 am
Hmm, I haven't played Season 2 yet, so I can't say anything about that. My vote probably ends up with Culture Shock. Because it simply isn't as funny/good/? as the others. The other episodes is just better, but that is probably because the characters has been introduced, you know the people, you know the setting etc. etc. But don't get me wrong, it isn't a bad episode, far from being it, but it just isn't as good as the others.
War Wolves
01/12/2010, 12:42 pm
Reality 2.0. Its just thrown together for me. It took the least amout of time for me to beat, didnt have as much pointless banter as any other episode, and the slime was horrible...
Horrible... Creature...
Hassat Hunter
01/12/2010, 01:22 pm
Moai Better Blues (apparently I aren't the only one, it's in the lead)
Horrible... just horrible. I can understand Culture Shock being less when it's the very very first, but this humourless annoying piece is no excuse after the very nice Ice Station Santa.
Good thing it's the only smudge on season 2 though.
Zonino
01/12/2010, 01:36 pm
I can see what people are getting at with Moai Better Blues. The triangle puzzle was pretty dependent on you remembering ALL the information Bosco tells you right at the start in one of his rants. I had forgot and it took random clicking on things before I figured out how to get the Bassalt sandwich.
Secret Fawful
01/12/2010, 01:39 pm
I hated Night of the Raving Dead. I couldn't even bring myself to finish it. I always wanted to see Sam and Max tackle a haunted castle and see their take on spooky goings ons, but it just wasn't the spooky adventure I was hoping for.
And Jurgen grates a bit on my nerves.
DJ Teh Cheat
01/12/2010, 01:57 pm
Moai Better Blues is obviously the worst.
Then again, I've only played 1 episode of Season 1 & almost all of Season 2.
Falanca
01/12/2010, 02:09 pm
I hated Night of the Raving Dead. I couldn't even bring myself to finish it. I always wanted to see Sam and Max tackle a haunted castle and see their take on spooky goings ons, but it just wasn't the spooky adventure I was hoping for.
And Jurgen grates a bit on my nerves.
Well, having a disco mat, a DJ booth and a disco ball in a castle is just a little funny when you first hear of it, but it doesn't seem so random (it's a gag about how hip the recent vampires are, therefore it's a joke based on popular events, not randomly awesome things) for a Sam and Max material. I loved Jurgen though, possibly because of his accent. Also the monster puzzle just irritated me. I actually don't like the monster, at all. I can even say he ruined What's New, Beelzebub for me. Well, apart from Soda Poppers...
Anyway, I said Situation: Comedy. I could've said Hit the Road though...
Teeth
01/12/2010, 02:15 pm
I'd say Culture Shock or The Mole, The Mob and The Meatball would be my least favourites. Though they're still brilliant games that I have a lot of fun playing.
I didn't like Moai Better Blues at first, but now I love it and I don't feel it deserves all the abuse it gets. It's a bit short, but it's still a lot better than all of Season 1 in my opinion. The problem is is that all the other Season 2 episodes are absolute gems and therefore Moai pales in comparison.
I also think Abe Lincoln Must Die! is a bit overrated, but I'm not too keen on political humour and I'm not from America. :p
Falanca
01/12/2010, 02:18 pm
It's just that Moai is... ugly. Babies are ugly, Moai heads are ugly, ocean chimps are ugly. Other than that, it's awesome. I love the usage of Bermuda Triangle.
Secret Fawful
01/12/2010, 05:17 pm
Well, having a disco mat, a DJ booth and a disco ball in a castle is just a little funny when you first hear of it, but it doesn't seem so random (it's a gag about how hip the recent vampires are, therefore it's a joke based on popular events, not randomly awesome things) for a Sam and Max material. I loved Jurgen though, possibly because of his accent. Also the monster puzzle just irritated me. I actually don't like the monster, at all. I can even say he ruined What's New, Beelzebub for me. Well, apart from Soda Poppers...
Anyway, I said Situation: Comedy. I could've said Hit the Road though...
I didn't get that disco thing until now, thanks.
Falanca
01/12/2010, 05:22 pm
Uh.. erm... I wasn't... trying to lecture or anything. 'Was just trying to explain the difference between this theme used in that game and other materials used in various Sam and Max media, you know, to get to a point to say it's not qualified enough. Sorry if I said... anything... you know...
Hassat Hunter
01/12/2010, 10:47 pm
I doubt it is the way you say it is, but then again I have no problems with Raving Dead or Reality 2.0. They're some of my most loved episodes after all (Reality THE one from Season 1)...
Also, I don't disco's are really that hip anymore since like, the 70's. It's just a funny take on vampiremovies.
Zonino
01/13/2010, 07:16 am
I doubt it is the way you say it is, but then again I have no problems with Raving Dead or Reality 2.0. They're some of my most loved episodes after all (Reality THE one from Season 1)...
Also, I don't disco's are really that hip anymore since like, the 70's. It's just a funny take on vampiremovies.
That's the point isn't it? Jurgen's trying to look hip and cool, but he's raving in what is essentially a medieval disco. I still think he's an interesting character though, even though I can't stop looking at the nipple rings.
Also for the arguments about how things like reality 2.0 don't fit in; remember that it's Comic book time that's used here. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime
Time passes, but people don't age, or they age slowly. And that's how you fit Sam and Max into a modern setting. That, or you could have them buried alive in some sort of suspended animation for 10 years in England.
War Wolves
01/13/2010, 11:01 am
POST FROM ZONINO:
That's the point isn't it? Jurgen's trying to look hip and cool, but he's raving in what is essentially a medieval disco. I still think he's an interesting character though, even though I can't stop looking at the nipple rings.
POST END FROM ZONINO.
Max:"I never knew Vampires were so... Fruity.:p"
Sam:"Not all Vampires. Just The European ones.:D"
Hyperkinetic_Martian
01/13/2010, 12:34 pm
Max:"I never knew Vampires were so... Fruity.:p"
Sam:"Not all Vampires. Just The European ones.:D"
And the American ones are sparkly and stereotypically obsessive :p
In response to the thread's question, I voted "Culture Shock", not really because of the Soda Poppers and Brady Culture but because of the voices. To me they just seemed...weak and for the most part not really emotional, especially Sam's, who is my favorite of the duo (I mean, I know he's supposed to sound somewhat deadpan, but somehow David's performance in this episode just didn't cut it for me) The episode was fun and humorous in itself, but the voices...Ugh. And I'm HIGHLY critical when it comes to voice acting in any entertainment medium. Maybe it's because my first exposure to the series was "201" when things were more polished.
Falanca
01/13/2010, 04:06 pm
And I'm HIGHLY critical when it comes to voice acting in any entertainment medium. Maybe it's because my first exposure to the series was "201" when things were more polished.
I kinda think their performance in the Season Two is a little weaker. Not too apparent, but still. I always prefer Sam's calm manners (apart from the "Holy...!" lines) over the more, a little out of character and over the top performances where we're suggested to believe that Sam is, in fact, surprised about something when saying that line. An example is in What's New, Beelzebub, where Sam talks to Brady Culture. Brady Culture mentions about how great is having a full-time job in hell, then Sam responds to this with generic line of "I started a very long and monotonous sentence to hide my astonishment and dismay and when this sentence ends, I'll continue with a very short line that suggests that I'm, in fact, surprised. WHHHAAAAAAT?!?!". That "WHAAAT" part just made me feel... bad.
Yep. I exaggerate things a little.
Hyperkinetic_Martian
01/13/2010, 08:16 pm
I kinda think their performance in the Season Two is a little weaker. Not too apparent, but still. I always prefer Sam's calm manners (apart from the "Holy...!" lines) over the more, a little out of character and over the top performances where we're suggested to believe that Sam is, in fact, surprised about something when saying that line. An example is in What's New, Beelzebub, where Sam talks to Brady Culture. Brady Culture mentions about how great is having a full-time job in hell, then Sam responds to this with generic line of "I started a very long and monotonous sentence to hide my astonishment and dismay and when this sentence ends, I'll continue with a very short line that suggests that I'm, in fact, surprised. WHHHAAAAAAT?!?!". That "WHAAAT" part just made me feel... bad.
Yep. I exaggerate things a little.
I think I may be the opposite: for me, the voices in the 2nd Season were a vast improvement over the 1st. I actually enjoy Sam's "over the top" moments. To me, his current voice has a mix of the monotonous deadpan that his character is known for and a dash of emotion that leads to those "over the top" moments. Something about the way it's pulled off, I don't know....I just clicks and fits his character for me.
I know, I'm really weird but to each his (or her) own I guess ^_^
LikaLaruku
01/15/2010, 08:37 am
I find that when I replay an episode, I will like it more or less than the previous time I played it & never be equal. I also have the blissful ability to actually forget how the episodes ends & totally forgot about the Soda Poppers in the last episode.
Okey, like every time I play S&M, I find more & more references to the graphic novel, the LucasArts game, & previous episodes & seasons, but now I'm looking for refs to the cartoon series, which if you'd asked me last year, I'd have said that the entire series was worse than the least interesting episode of the TellTale series, which for me was Moai Better Blues.
I loved the cartoon as a kid, hated it when I tried to rewatch it in 2008, still hated it in 2009, but when I tried rewatching it again today (in a good mood with severly lowered expectations) I loved it. It's the damndest thing I can't explain. How can you like something then hate it then like it again? I'm sure a few of you might have had that issue with at least one episode of the game series.
Hyperkinetic_Martian
01/15/2010, 12:41 pm
I loved the cartoon as a kid, hated it when I tried to rewatch it in 2008, still hated it in 2009, but when I tried rewatching it again today (in a good mood with severly lowered expectations) I loved it. It's the damndest thing I can't explain. How can you like something then hate it then like it again? I'm sure a few of you might have had that issue with at least one episode of the game series.
Oooh, I hear ya. This happened to me with "Situation: Comedy". When I first played it through, I didn't enjoy it and proclaimed it my least favorite of the season. Recently however, I started playing through the first season again and this time around, I actually enjoyed the episode. I think it was due to the lack of frustration I had experienced the first time around and to the fact I did more aimless actions to milk out potential lines I may've missed before. In addition, I also recall myself paying more attention to the references the episode made to the TV pop culture, which gave me more grins and giggles this time around.
That or I was in an exceptionally good mood because I had ordered the Season 2 DVD that day :D
Coolgamer
02/05/2010, 11:19 pm
Moai Better Blues. I HATED this episode with a passion. The talking babies just killed it for me. The puzzles also seemed either overly simple or terribly complex.
Favorite episodes? Oddly enough, Reality 2.0, followed by Night of the Raving Dead.
Reality 2.0 had EVERYTHING for me, and I mean EVERYTHING. I honestly wish the internet would come back as a character. I was so sad when "she" died... it fueled my rage in fighting the final season's boss.
Falanca
02/06/2010, 01:27 am
Moai Better Blues. I HATED this episode with a passion. The talking babies just killed it for me. The puzzles also seemed either overly simple or terribly complex.
Favorite episodes? Oddly enough, Reality 2.0, followed by Night of the Raving Dead.
Reality 2.0 had EVERYTHING for me, and I mean EVERYTHING. I honestly wish the internet would come back as a character. I was so sad when "she" died... it fueled my rage in fighting the final season's boss.
Hey, we think alike! So much that it's so terribly scary.
Coolgamer
02/06/2010, 01:46 am
Hey, we think alike! So much that it's so terribly scary.
Honestly, Night of the Raving Dead is one of my favorites simply because I used to be big on the rave scene. The parody was excellent, and I laughed more then a few times at the targeted jokes. (The pacifier in the demon skull, the lines regarding bottled water and glow-sticks... classic.)
Moai had, well... let me think.
Stoner humor, which when done well isn't that bad, but it just seemed out of place in the S&M world.
Talking babies, baby jokes, and jokes about famous people BEING babies. Um, no. NO. N-O. Nyet. Negatory. NEIN!
Bermuda triangle jokes. Funny, but can't save this episode.
Major problem: IT'S ON AN ISLAND. This automatically makes us realize we have a limited amount of space to explore, making us adventure gamers feel "trapped", while the other games created an illusion of areas beyond the playable ones.
Falanca
02/06/2010, 02:18 am
Well, Reality 2.0 had that "trapped" feeling. With the whole "some areas are still being worked on" and "404 Street Not Found" things, background being totally black and all that.
Coolgamer
02/06/2010, 03:49 am
Well, Reality 2.0 had that "trapped" feeling. With the whole "some areas are still being worked on" and "404 Street Not Found" things, background being totally black and all that.
Yeah, but that was a joke referencing the same areas you couldn't get to in normal reality.
Butterscotch-Biros
02/06/2010, 04:15 am
Major problem: IT'S ON AN ISLAND.
Actually that was a benefit for me, it felt like a vacation and not having to worry about a million locations to keep going to-ing and fro-ing through (Situation: Comedy) was quite a relief.
Furthermore, the funky holiday music sealed the vacation feel of this episode, one of my honest favourites of the series.
Trogdorman
02/06/2010, 04:30 am
I could never choose a worst episode: especially for a series as excellent as Sam & Max, but if I have to: it would be Culture Shock just because of the actor for Max
Hassat Hunter
02/06/2010, 05:36 am
Hey, we think alike! So much that it's so terribly scary.
Must be your evil other-half lost during that mysterious split, remember?
jokes about famous people BEING babies.
They were famous?
Avistew
02/06/2010, 05:50 am
Wow, I didn't realise people disliked Moai so much. I really liked it: you could become kids and ask people annoying questions :D
I wish you could have annoyed Bosco too though.
Butterscotch-Biros
02/06/2010, 07:57 am
Wow, I didn't realise people disliked Moai so much. I really liked it: you could become kids and ask people annoying questions :D
I agree, they need more transformations like that and the body switch in Night of the Raving Dead.
Avistew
02/06/2010, 08:10 am
I agree, they need more transformations like that and the body switch in Night of the Raving Dead.
Well, apparently Max can shapeshift in 2010... I can't wait to see the result!
Butterscotch-Biros
02/06/2010, 01:10 pm
Well, apparently Max can shapeshift in 2010... I can't wait to see the result!
Oh yeah I forgot about that, yeah me too - although I hope that they don't forget about his normal character design! :D
Coolgamer
02/06/2010, 02:15 pm
Actually, revising my statement before. Favorites in order:
Reality 2.0, Abe Lincoln Must Die!, Raving Dead.
I'm a big politics wonk.
AlmostApollo
02/06/2010, 02:33 pm
There were bad episodes? Who knew.
PariahKing
02/06/2010, 02:36 pm
Moai Better Blues deserves the top spot, although I don't think Culture Shock is worse than MMM or Situation: Comedy.
fortunesfool
02/06/2010, 04:11 pm
Any episodes that had the soda poppers in them
Falanca
02/06/2010, 04:49 pm
Any episodes that had the soda poppers in them
That's harsh.
I mean, you just said more than half of the entire series of Sam and Max is bad!
Hayden
02/06/2010, 06:56 pm
The episodes with the Soda Poppers in them are good, but they'd be much, much better without them. I want all three of them to die in a horrible car/train/bus/truck/motorcycle/helicopter accident.
Chuck
02/06/2010, 11:39 pm
The episodes with the Soda Poppers in them are good, but they'd be much, much better without them. I want all three of them to die in a horrible car/train/bus/truck/motorcycle/helicopter accident.
I'd rather they drowned in lava.
I'd rather they drowned in lava.
Even though seeing them in pain and agony would be nice, their screaming and whining while burning up would destroy the moment. :(
Kroms
02/07/2010, 03:55 am
I could never choose a worst episode: especially for a series as excellent as Sam & Max, but if I have to: it would be Culture Shock just because of the actor for Max
Andrew Chaikin did a good job, I think. Especially when you consider he's also Coronado De Cava.
LowMoralFiber
02/07/2010, 11:15 am
Andrew Chaikin did a good job, I think. Especially when you consider he's also Coronado De Cava.
I never even realized that they switched voices between episodes!
mazda charles
02/09/2010, 12:09 am
I'd rather they drowned in lava.
they do!
Falanca
02/09/2010, 01:05 am
they do!
Gasp!
Lena_P
02/09/2010, 02:11 am
they do!
I'm preeeeeeety sure Chuck knew that already ...
Aaaaand ... I liked the soda poppers. Yes they were annoying, but that was the point. Then again I also love Jurgen. He's such a perfect little poser :) (I wish he had become the Sam and Max butt monkey ... eww! No, not that kind of butt monkey, the bad-karma-magnet kind. Get your minds out of the gutter!)
Kroms
02/09/2010, 02:58 am
Wait, wait: Jurgen wasn't really a vampire? Wha-? Have I misunderstood something? Maybe my memory's just decided to go on sabbatical?
Pantagruel's Friend
02/09/2010, 03:48 am
Wait, wait: Jurgen wasn't really a vampire? Wha-? Have I misunderstood something? Maybe my memory's just decided to go on sabbatical?
Who says a vampire can't be a poser? :)
@Lena: I thought I was the only one who thought that the Soda Poppers were funny...
Shwoo
02/09/2010, 03:52 am
I bet he's not even German. That would explain... a lot, actually.
I liked the Soda Poppers and found them funny as well. The vitriol confuses me a bit. They're not that annoying.
Falanca
02/09/2010, 04:01 am
Inconsistence time!
I starting to believe I am the only one who truly hated Soda Poppers now.
Tjibbbe
02/09/2010, 04:14 am
Inconsistence time!
I starting to believe I am the only one who truly hated Soda Poppers now.
Say what you want about the other Poppers, but Whizzer is the man. I can never get enough of that excellent man and his glorious bladder.
Shwoo
02/09/2010, 04:20 am
Inconsistence time!
I starting to believe I am the only one who truly hated Soda Poppers now.
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1144&d=1265721516
Falanca
02/09/2010, 04:21 am
And there goes. I hate them because they are not equal in theirselves! I mean... Even the true fans (or 'I didn't hate them' people, well, by comparison they're worthy enough to be called true fans) don't like Specs! I know he doesn't have the greatest catchphrase, but he doesn't need it!
He's an artist! Not a drippy sink or a crybaby! He was the most menacing of the brothers. I would be happier if he turned out to be the ONLY villain of the second season. That would be interesting. And it'd result with less scenes of fire-peeing.
*spoilery picture*
Look how intimidating he looks, I mean!
Thanks Shwoo. Nice timing. I was being lazy even to point this out.
Avistew
02/09/2010, 04:41 am
Even the true fans (or 'I didn't hate them' people, well, by comparison they're worthy enough to be called true fans) don't like Specs!
Hey, Specs my favourite.
I did find them annoying. Not hate-like annoying, but annoying in the proper amount considering it's the point of them. Peepers annoyed me the most I'd say.
Still, I'm glad to move on to other characters.
Hassat Hunter
02/09/2010, 06:34 am
Leave the dead alone! (unless they are called Bosco, Guybrush Treepwood or Morgan of course)
Pantagruel's Friend
02/09/2010, 12:41 pm
uh. this thread is starting to scare me, somehow ;)
puzzlebox
02/09/2010, 03:02 pm
Hey, Specs my favourite.
Likewise! Or, perhaps more correctly, Specs was the one I hated least.
On the whole I found the Poppers supremely annoying, to the point where I turned subtitles on and sound off whenever I had to interact with them for a prolonged period.
Avistew
02/10/2010, 01:28 am
Likewise! Or, perhaps more correctly, Specs was the one I hated least.
Same here :P (Well, replace "hated" with "disliked").
I think his voice was the least annoying.
Lena_P
02/10/2010, 04:38 am
@Kroms No, he is a vampire, I just meant he's trying so darn hard to be "cool" and "trendy" ... when he's one of the Undead with a zombie army and ancient castle complete with secret laboratory. Dude reeeally doesn't need to try so hard.
And whoever put Specs in bondage gear with the little shorts is a genius.
Hyperkinetic_Martian
02/10/2010, 09:10 pm
And whoever put Specs in bondage gear with the little shorts is a genius.
I don't know whether if I should be amused or mortified...
Hayden
02/15/2010, 12:05 am
I don't know whether if I should be amused or mortified...
You can just be amuortifised.
That is an actual word. It's in the dictionary, unlike 'gullible'.
Avistew
02/15/2010, 09:44 am
You can just be amuortifised.
That is an actual word. It's in the dictionary, unlike 'gullible'.
Tss, people won't find it if you misspell it! It's "amourtsified"
fruust
02/15/2010, 05:33 pm
must say i loved reality 2.0. all the homages to classic games just made my day like "look max, it'sa me-a sam!"
edit: on the other hand i really loathed the "boss battle" in bright side of the moon and didn't feel like i had achieved anything after i finished the game. that episode also had so many puzzles that had had solutions so obvious they felt unneccesary.
Falanca
02/15/2010, 06:02 pm
The boss battle in What's New Beelzebub was easier IMO.
I really enjoyed Bright Side of the Moon. It was so villainy and all. The puzzles are rather easy, yes, but the storytelling was the best of the entire season.
Also, gotta love the torture machines in the boss battle.
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