Guybrush, ditch Elaine and get Morgan! [Archive]

PetiteBiere

09/29/2009, 08:57 am

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I don't like Morgan. I think it's because she's not that funny, and feels like the token "sexy female character"; she hasn't made me laugh even once. In comparison, Morgan in the "I wonder what happens" version of chapter 3 was very funny, and I kinda wish she could be like that in the actual game, instead of just another cliché. Not to mention her Marry Sue-ish tendencies.

Elaine is way better in my opinion.

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 09:01 am

She's also a frickin' psycho who just wants to slit people's throats rather than trying conversation. She's even prepared to kill her No.1 idol just because it's her "job".

It's all she knows how to do :(

I actually feel bad for Morgan after Chapter 3. She likes Guybrush because she thinks he's a pirate mighty enough to stand up to her. She wants someone to tame her.

Steverin0

09/29/2009, 09:02 am

Shes way cuter!

+1 - hubba hubba

I'm so sad. But she is.

vashts1985

09/29/2009, 09:12 am

Sacrilege!

Rather Dashing

09/29/2009, 09:15 am

These threads are ridiculous. In the context of the game, Guybrush sees her as the cute fan who also happens to be trying to kill him. there's no romance there at all.

doodo!

09/29/2009, 09:32 am

Guybrush, ditch Elaine and get Morgan! Why can't he get both at once?:confused:

He's Guybrush ThreepWOOD. His Wood is famous all over the World!

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 09:35 am

These threads are ridiculous. In the context of the game, Guybrush sees her as the cute fan who also happens to be trying to kill him. there's no romance there at all.
I don't know about that. There's at least some sense of friendship there. I think the romantic feelings are one-sided, but I also think he likes her, he's just a bit dense.

JedExodus

09/29/2009, 09:36 am

Why can't he get both at once?:confused:

He's Guybrush ThreepWOOD. His Wood is famous all over the World!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PIheQUF6n-s/SKDC3PG9qSI/AAAAAAAABUQ/VCQUItyhrKQ/s400/pervert.jpg

Rather Dashing

09/29/2009, 09:39 am

I don't know about that. There's at least some sense of friendship there. I think the romantic feelings are one-sided, but I also think he likes her, he's just a bit dense.
He's not at all dense. One of his options to try and avoid fighting her is to flirt with her, in what is obviously a forced attempt to save his piratey life.

ToddD

09/29/2009, 09:59 am

Personally I dont think Morgan has a strong personality at all. I think Morgan is the one character they didn't develop at all. She has no story, she seems like such a robot to me. Also her voice is very college-girly

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 10:31 am

He's not at all dense. One of his options to try and avoid fighting her is to flirt with her, in what is obviously a forced attempt to save his piratey life.
Play Chapter 3 and get back to me.Personally I dont think Morgan has a strong personality at all. I think Morgan is the one character they didn't develop at all. She has no story, she seems like such a robot to me. Also her voice is very college-girly
Again, play Chapter 3. They really do spend a lot of time developing her character and a bit of backstory. You can't expect here to appear fully formed in her first appearance.

MusicallyInspired

09/29/2009, 10:59 am

doggans

09/29/2009, 02:31 pm

I actually thought Morgan was getting pretty damn obnoxious in this chapter. Too much shrill whining. At least Elaine has a sexy accent when she whines. :p

selits

09/29/2009, 02:50 pm

threesome

barchetta

09/29/2009, 02:59 pm

Oh, Elaine did whine. With human LeChuck on the ship with the monkeys!

Poor GT, didn't notice Morgan was hitting on him at the end! It was so romantic! And then ...

Ecto Cooler

09/29/2009, 03:52 pm

Morgan and Guybrush have a better chemistry so far

MasterofsqueezyFurballs

09/29/2009, 03:55 pm

I totally agree, Ecto. :)

Amaterasu

09/29/2009, 04:02 pm

Did you see her faces during the chapter?
That was so cute!
And at the end, when she was explaining Guybrush what women wants... Ahhh... I really want them to be together now...

a3HeadedMonkey

09/29/2009, 04:09 pm

Elaine is the real strong woman here, And did you see her in the cut scene pining after Guybrush? Aww! That's what we wanted TT. :)

Mo is an emotionally retarded psycho. Even at the end, once you think they may have bonded somewhat, she still cracks him over the head to take him in. Bitch!

I'm looking forward to her death in chapter 5 to ensure she never appears in a MI game again.

PS. To those that are finding a (low poly) computer character "hot". Get a life. There are real women out there & if you can't manage that, at least resort to pr0n. Finding computer characters attractive? :rolleyes: Whatever next? ¬_¬

WDeranged

09/29/2009, 04:12 pm

Whatever next? ¬_¬

People on forums telling other people to get a life :D

a3HeadedMonkey

09/29/2009, 04:14 pm

People on forums telling other people to get a life :D

Almost sounds like you're assuming I don't have one... You know what they say about assumption right?

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 04:27 pm

Mo is an emotionally retarded psycho. Even at the end, once you think they may have bonded somewhat, she still cracks him over the head to take him in. Bitch!
I knew this epsiode would polarize people on here.

She definitely is an emotional cripple. It's implied that she hasn't had an easy life, and doesn't know how to do much else but kill. Characters like this are usually sympathetic when they're men (Guts from Berserk, for example), but it a woman some don't tolerate it.

Part of the reason she's so fascinated by Guybrush to begin with, is because she hopes he'll be the strong man who can stand up to her and tame her, because she doesn't know how to do it herself. This is why she's so disappointed to learn that Guybrush is so non-confrontational.

She's also a bit hurt by the time she bonks him over the head. They share a moment earlier where you can see in her eyes she hopes Guybrush "gets it" and when she realizes he's still in love with Elaine, she's clearly hurt, so I think that's part of why she does it too.

PS. To those that are finding a (low poly) computer character "hot". Get a life. There are real women out there & if you can't manage that, at least resort to pr0n. Finding computer characters attractive? :rolleyes: Whatever next? ¬_¬
I don't think anyone here is having naughty dreams about her, but in the context of the game she's a cute character and you understand that.

Every cartoon character would look frightening and disgusting in real life, but a cartoon show you understand what they represent and don't respond with fright or disgust.

a3HeadedMonkey

09/29/2009, 04:40 pm

Every cartoon character would look frightening and disgusting in real life, but a cartoon show you understand what they represent and don't respond with fright or disgust.

I responded with fright & disgust back in the day when people used to say the PS1 render of Lara Croft was hot. I knew someone that would back her into a wall to try & get a camera close up of her triangular ass. Weird! :confused: It's like hentai... frickin' weird!!

JedExodus

09/29/2009, 04:45 pm

PS. To those that are finding a (low poly) computer character "hot". Get a life. There are real women out there & if you can't manage that, at least resort to pr0n. Finding computer characters attractive? :rolleyes: Whatever next? ¬_¬

It's the same thing as fancying Jessica Rabbit when you were wee, and if you tell me you didn't fancy Jessica Rabbit you're a liar...even if you're a girl...or gay...or never saw the film.

I'm undecided on Morgan, there's still development to be had with her as a character so I can't really judge as yet

Spadge

09/29/2009, 04:49 pm

People are just crazy. Nothing we can do about that.

I'm pretty sure Morgan is hooking up with LeChuck sooner or later. In fact I hope so. I like the current state of LeChuck and I think he can be just as great without all that boring evil voodoo crap they keep forcing on him the last 4 games.

StoutFiles

09/29/2009, 07:03 pm

Guybrush won't leave Elaine; LucasArts would not want one of their beloved gaming protagonists to cheat on his wife. Not cool.

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 09:32 pm

I responded with fright & disgust back in the day when people used to say the PS1 render of Lara Croft was hot. I knew someone that would back her into a wall to try & get a camera close up of her triangular ass. Weird! :confused: It's like hentai... frickin' weird!!
You're not understanding that the character being portrayed is not actually supposed to have a triagular ass. It's a portrayal limited by technology and abstracted by art style, but people still understand what's being portrayed about the character.

tomm03

09/29/2009, 10:33 pm

I <3 Mo!

Frogacuda

09/29/2009, 10:52 pm

Guybrush won't leave Elaine; LucasArts would not want one of their beloved gaming protagonists to cheat on his wife. Not cool.

It's true. Maybe Morgan will hook up with LeChuck.

praevalens

09/29/2009, 11:30 pm

she's definetly more piratey

JohanShogun

09/29/2009, 11:43 pm

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PIheQUF6n-s/SKDC3PG9qSI/AAAAAAAABUQ/VCQUItyhrKQ/s400/pervert.jpg

This made me laugh out loud, thanks for posting it JedExodus!

I'm going to let that be my comment on this entire topic :P

Anhi

09/30/2009, 02:35 am

Awesome what became of this thread :p

I don't think anyone here is having naughty dreams about her, but in the context of the game she's a cute character and you understand that.

Every cartoon character would look frightening and disgusting in real life, but a cartoon show you understand what they represent and don't respond with fright or disgust.

you got it totally right!

Byakko

09/30/2009, 02:41 am

I ship Elaine/GT, easy.

Except we don't really get flattering cutscenes of her except with her constantly Poxing out. Or any real cutscenes with her, period.

Morgan is growing on me. I like she's gone past the fangirl part. Now into, actually attracted to GT part.

Though I don't like older men with younger women, so in fact, that's really the thing that stops me shipping them XD

Also GT is obviously very single-minded. When he said he's a one woman man, he really means it.

If that part in Chapter 2 where he brushes off just losing his hand to catching up with Elaine because he saw LeChuck give her a flower doesn't clue anyone in.

Now if only Elaine was somewhat appealing again as a character...

PS: Nicknaming a girl Mo is just WRONG. I mean, there are adrogynous nicks and shortforms (I'm Samantha, but I go by Sam), but Mo just seems rude.

Yandros

09/30/2009, 03:02 am

It's part of sitcom formula. Notice how there was barely a thread of real storyline / character in the first episode. Then a little bit in the second episode. Now the puzzles and events are almost a backstory to the character interaction.

Throw in an impossible love-interest to give the story some flavour. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. It's like MSG for story cooking.

It's pretty obvious that in the next two episodes there will be some accidental or intentional love interaction between ML and GT, which will probably escalate when Elaine finds out, then the whole thing will be resolved at the end of episode 5.

n64play

09/30/2009, 03:29 am

Seems pretty obvious Morgan is going to end up with Le Chuck. Unless he goes all voodoo again of course

Yandros

09/30/2009, 03:42 am

Seems pretty obvious Morgan is going to end up with Le Chuck. Unless he goes all voodoo again of course

That would break the series. LeChuck will have to become a zombie pirate again since hes the major villain.

Of course ML could become a zombie too, but then LeChuck couldn't be chasing Elaine for marriage; but maybe there would be some other reason for harassing Guybrush.

a3HeadedMonkey

09/30/2009, 03:48 am

TT can't do anything that drastic to the franchise surely? I hope not at least. You should never mess with a formula too much. What happens if you get it totally wrong? You create massive plot holes that people don't like, like EMI. That had drastic changes to the overall plot like the giant monkey head & Herman Toothrot & that was a huge mistake.

By the end of the season, LeChuck has to be a dead, Guybrush has to have his hand back & him & Elaine have to be happily married. It's just not worth messing with the formula that has worked for so long... No matter what some of the crazy TT fans around here might say. ¬_¬

n64play

09/30/2009, 03:52 am

Could be that Le Chuck goes zombie again, and Morgan decides to spend her time bring him down, instead of Guybrush like she was doing when we first met her. That would work then.

Merus

09/30/2009, 04:01 am

I really like Morgan as an antagonist - she's the first antagonist of the series that acknowledges that Guybrush has grown capable over the course of his adventures, and she wants some of Guybrush for herself. His heart, his actual heart, whatever she can get. Obviously, she's greedy - if Morgan gets what she wants Guybrush will in some way lose out. I'd like to see her survive the series and come back to harass Guybrush in the future, although a Monkey Island without LeChuck would be unthinkable.

I would like to see more Elaine, though. Playable Elaine, please?

Jazzy

09/30/2009, 04:04 am

By the end of the season, LeChuck has to be a dead, Guybrush has to have his hand back & him & Elaine have to be happily married. It's just not worth messing with the formula that has worked for so long... No matter what some of the crazy TT fans around here might say. ¬_¬

That would not only be dull, it would be dire. I'm sorry, but it would be detestable to me. Even TV programs have evolved beyond the self-contained, everything back to normal at the end of the episode, format over the years. Keeping things as status-quo leads to a sense of the series going nowhere, and quite often needs a serious shake up to get the staleness out.

May I add, if in ten years time I'm playing Monkey Island 15 and it's still exactly the same as it is now, then I will hold you personally responsible Monkey, and I shall exact vengeance upon you and your children, and your children's children! :mad: ;)

a3HeadedMonkey

09/30/2009, 04:04 am

Yeah, we definitely need more Elaine. All this attention on Morgan & not on Elaine is killing people's belief in them as a couple. So much so that some people are actually wanting Guybrush & Morgan to get together! :eek: NOOOO!

Come on TT, let's hurry up & cure Elaine from the pox & get them back together again.

a3HeadedMonkey

09/30/2009, 04:13 am

That would not only be dull, it would be dire. I'm sorry, but it would be detestable to me. Even TV programs have evolved beyond the self-contained, everything back to normal at the end of the episode, format over the years.

Yes & how long do those TV series' last before they run out of ideas & have to axe it? Because they certainly can't go back to the formula that worked so well after they have screwed around with it so much. The best thing is not to mess with it in the first place. You don't have to try & fix it later then.

Keeping things as status-quo leads to a sense of the series going nowhere, and quite often needs a serious shake up to get the staleness out.

May I add, if in ten years time I'm playing Monkey Island 15 and it's still exactly the same as it is now, then I will hold you personally responsible Monkey, and I shall exact vengeance upon you and your children, and your children's children! :mad: ;)

Bring it on. "Shaking up the franchise" just sounds like fucking up the franchise to me. It's why all franchises die of mediocrity in the end. They keep changing it & evolving it to keep it fresh, untill in the end, it doesn't resemble anything like what it started out as & everyone gives up on it.

Monkey Island is also bigger than any one person & it's too big for mortal men to just start toying with the formula that has worked for so long. Look what they did to MI4. You ignored that. I can't trust anyone to mess with it. I'm a firm believer of "if it isn't broke, don't fix it."

Trying to change things is what runs franchises into the ground. They have already done it once with MI & TT have managed to resurrect it. Let's not try & get them to do it again, not so soon you nutter.

Some of my favourite franchises & oldest ones all share one thing in common. They know when they have a winning formula & they know not to fuck with it.

Jazzy

09/30/2009, 04:43 am

Chill dude, the last line was a joke, hence the wink. I was just voicing my opinion the same as you, I'm sorry it's not the same. I disagree that shows get axed if they try to shake it up, how many shows just end up sliding into mediocrity, repeating the same formula again and again?

There isn't a single formula to Monkey Island, MI2 for instance had virtually nothing to do with Elaine, with LeChuck being after Guybrush only, hell even Guybrush didn't seem that bothered with Elaine himself, that broke with 'the formula'. I'm not saying that they need to shake Monkey Island up, just that they should not stick to any status quo, instead going where the story should go.

But hey, you know what you like and I know what I like, I merely responded to your statement that it had it to end your way is all. I'm sure TT will choose whichever one they feel works best.

Geypi

09/30/2009, 04:45 am

i would have to agree with you... Elaine just let's Guybrush do quests and stuff for her. Then she doesn't even want to kiss him.

Rather Dashing

09/30/2009, 04:48 am

I think the feelings are very one-sided. At this point, I'd say Guybrush would go for a "Thanks but no thanks, hey, could you not kill me? Oh. How about one date, then?"

eskimo

09/30/2009, 05:06 am

I'm cheering for Morgan. She's got an innocence to her that reminds me of how Guybrush was in the first game.

Not as a permanent replacement to Elaine, but as a fling. He's a pirate, and pirates aren't often faithful in their relationships, why should Guybrush be any different?

doggans

09/30/2009, 05:39 am

Yes & how long do those TV series' last before they run out of ideas & have to axe it? Because they certainly can't go back to the formula that worked so well after they have screwed around with it so much. The best thing is not to mess with it in the first place. You don't have to try & fix it later then..."Shaking up the franchise" just sounds like fucking up the franchise to me. It's why all franchises die of mediocrity in the end. They keep changing it & evolving it to keep it fresh, untill in the end, it doesn't resemble anything like what it started out as & everyone gives up on it.

So you'd rather have formulaic retreads of the same plot than stories that develop over time as characters grow? After all, there was no Monkey Island "formula" until CMI came around.

A show runs out of ideas much faster when it NEVER changes the formula, and I've noticed more franchises die when the creators try TOO hard to recapture the "magic" that made the original popular, rather than actually develop things naturally. This is what leads to the Flanderization (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization) of many a series.

THAT SAID, there are two extremes: not changing the formula at all, or forcing a change just to be "shocking"...or worse, fanservice-y. Having Guybrush suddenly dump Elaine and get together with Morgan would feel incredibly forced, like they were desperate to try something new.

But not ALL changes in all franchises are like this, and just as writers shouldn't do different things JUST for the sake of being different, they also shouldn't be scared to try different things IF it's actually a good idea that makes the story better.

nofacej

09/30/2009, 05:48 am

onlyamonkey

09/30/2009, 06:04 am

a3headedmonkey has a lot of wrong. almost everything. it's just big texts of wrong.

rootbeer

09/30/2009, 06:25 am

I'd like to see a divorce! Get Guybrush and Morgan together!

eskimo

09/30/2009, 06:29 am

If you haven't noticed, Guybrush isn't really much of a pirate.

Blasphemy!!!

onlyamonkey

09/30/2009, 06:50 am

She's made to be hot, TTG meant for it to be some kind of tension in the air, they succeeded. Personally rather her than Elaine but I they can't ditch Elaine. Would be too weird.

nofacej

09/30/2009, 07:12 am

"To have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part."

Episode 4 - The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood

eskimo

09/30/2009, 07:19 am

ToddD

09/30/2009, 07:29 am

My thoughts:

I wouldn't mind Guybrush and Elaine breaking up for a series or two, it worked for MI2. Make Elaine more elusive and capable like she used to be.

I think Morgan is a good IDEA of a character but poorly executed. She is TOO pretty and not tough enough and the voice actress is saying her lines like an entitled college girl. Give her some edge, give her a scar, take off the make up, make her ROUGH. Make us believe she is capable of her job and when confronted about it instead of whining "I'm just doing my jahhhhhbbb" she could say something witty and insulting. Think Angelina Jolie in Wanted. That's what Morgan should be like.

LeChuck has to be voodoo again at the end and will be. Case closed.

IF Morgan was badass and not just SUPPOSED to be badass but its not believable like currently (see above) then I wouldn't mind a game or half a game where Guybrush crushed on her instead of Elaine, but then Elaine did something (though not involving GB, maybe just something heroic and selfless) that made him realize he still wanted her and then was pining after again though they were broken up.

TookiGuy

09/30/2009, 07:30 am

Mmm... I like Elaine better.
Her character doesn't exactly slot in with Guybrush's as a wife all too well, but still. I like Morgan, but come on...

JedExodus

09/30/2009, 08:52 am

This thread's like a bunch of middle-aged women talking about their soaps/stories

"ohhhh she's an awful one thon, not a care for him, she's just after the plantation!" :p

thatdude98

09/30/2009, 09:44 am

This thread started off creepy and went to just plain disturbing.

Xudo

09/30/2009, 01:42 pm

I knew this epsiode would polarize people on here.

She definitely is an emotional cripple. It's implied that she hasn't had an easy life, and doesn't know how to do much else but kill. Characters like this are usually sympathetic when they're men (Guts from Berserk, for example), but it a woman some don't tolerate it.

Part of the reason she's so fascinated by Guybrush to begin with, is because she hopes he'll be the strong man who can stand up to her and tame her, because she doesn't know how to do it herself. This is why she's so disappointed to learn that Guybrush is so non-confrontational.

She's also a bit hurt by the time she bonks him over the head. They share a moment earlier where you can see in her eyes she hopes Guybrush "gets it" and when she realizes he's still in love with Elaine, she's clearly hurt, so I think that's part of why she does it too.

I don't think anyone here is having naughty dreams about her, but in the context of the game she's a cute character and you understand that.

Every cartoon character would look frightening and disgusting in real life, but a cartoon show you understand what they represent and don't respond with fright or disgust.

Well, almoast. I think Morgan is actually not looking for someone that is strong enough to tame her but for someone who's complete opposite of her but still understands her. A man that can balance her, it's like the philosophy of yin and yang. She was actually talking about herself when Guybrush asked her how to deal with the destructivly angry female manatee and the advices she gave sums up to be the qualities of Guybrush. But as you said Threepwood didn't get Morgans points and directly after she realised that Guybrushs heart was still beating strong for Elane and you could see Lafley was hurt by that.

puzzlebox

09/30/2009, 01:55 pm

LeChuck has to be voodoo again at the end and will be. Case closed.

At this stage in the game, I really want to see more human LeChuck. The "yarrrrrgh I'm going to destroy Guybrush Threepwood!" plot has already been done 4 times over, and I'm happy to see LeChuck involved in a different story arc this time around.

a3HeadedMonkey

09/30/2009, 02:44 pm

So you'd rather have formulaic retreads of the same plot than stories that develop over time as characters grow? After all, there was no Monkey Island "formula" until CMI came around.

A show runs out of ideas much faster when it NEVER changes the formula, and I've noticed more franchises die when the creators try TOO hard to recapture the "magic" that made the original popular, rather than actually develop things naturally. This is what leads to the Flanderization (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization) of many a series.

THAT SAID, there are two extremes: not changing the formula at all, or forcing a change just to be "shocking"...or worse, fanservice-y. Having Guybrush suddenly dump Elaine and get together with Morgan would feel incredibly forced, like they were desperate to try something new.

But not ALL changes in all franchises are like this, and just as writers shouldn't do different things JUST for the sake of being different, they also shouldn't be scared to try different things IF it's actually a good idea that makes the story better.

Great post dude. Couldn't have put it better myself, but I'm just too scared of the 'changing it for fan service' one. I know it happens & far too often. It's exactly what happened with Escape. They shook it up for the sake of it & if they did anything like that in Tales, I'd feel the same. Done just because of some of the people here on the forums or just to shock.

Like you pointed out with MI2, changes were made that felt natural. None of the suggestions I've heard here sound right at all though, but if they were a natural idea by the devs that truly felt real & not forced, I'm on board. It's a risky subject for me all the same though. You are messing with my No.1 video game love... careful Telltale. ¬ . ¬

@onlyamonkey. Constructive debate there.
*slow applause*

TofuHead

09/30/2009, 07:02 pm

She's also a frickin' psycho who just wants to slit people's throats rather than trying conversation. She's even prepared to kill her No.1 idol just because it's her "job".

What a bunny boiler. Stick with Elaine GT, she's good for you! :)

Except she told him she was that way because it was the only way she knows, and that she's basically misunderstood? You could see in her expressions that she was reaching out to him and was sincerely crestfallen when he totally missed it.

Fury

09/30/2009, 09:31 pm

GT + ML

Elaine can run off with human LeChuck for all I care. She's getting annoying. Unless they do something with the story to make Morgan more detestable and Elaine more likable and less bossy, that's how I hope it'll play out. We'll find out. The story can go any which way at this point.

Yeah, Morgan is awesome but they've made Elaine crap.

If you look back at the series, Elaine never really loved Guybrush anyway, especially in MI2. It always struck me as a one-sided marriage.

GT + ML FTW!

dahoughtonuk

09/30/2009, 11:03 pm

The bossiness isn't really the problem. Spoilers for Leviathan: Decava listed Guybrush's turn on as assertive women. So Elaine, Morgan and, unfortunatley for Guybriush, Voodoo Lady fit

It's the confusing actions both Elaine and Morgan are taking around Guybrush. We see more of the positve with Morgan, and more of the negative with Elaine. But we don't know how much of Elaine's negative reactions are due to the pox and how much of Morgan's positive are due to her hero worship.

Spoilers for Leviathan:We find out a lot of Morgan's positive attidude comes from her hero worship. And this leaves a big question..

doodinthemood

10/01/2009, 12:57 am

Elaine's the only one who would ever give him a shoulder to cry on when times are tough.

hamzie

10/01/2009, 01:19 am

In the end - would lucas arts allow such a massive storyline change?

doodinthemood

10/01/2009, 01:32 am

Oh it's always Lucas with you. If telltale have any heart, they'll think of Guybrush's needs and emotions, and not let Lucas get in the way of that.

Jazzy

10/01/2009, 02:28 am

Overall, I think Guybrush should ditch Elaine and run off with Wally. The two of them both share the same personality traits, such as naivety, a sense of innocence, and a desire to be a pirate (remember CoMI intro). GT would help bring Wally out of his shell and Wally would help give GT common sense and restraint.

This was meant as a joke, but I think I might have just succeeded in convincing myself... :'(

Anhi

10/01/2009, 02:38 am

Gay relationship will spice it up allright, but.. wally is a kid!

doodinthemood

10/01/2009, 02:40 am

Is he? I actually just thought wally was a small man...

Well, paedo relationship will spice it up much more than anyone would want XD

loaldnt

10/01/2009, 02:41 am

Shes way cuter!

Quote. I love leflay, not only as a woman, but as a character. I found her a lot more interesting than that boring corpse of Elaine. And, in capter 3

/spoiler

we can see as morgan has fallen in love a little with guybrush. They're so cute :)

SupahFly

10/01/2009, 03:08 am

Almost sounds like you're assuming I don't have one... You know what they say about assumption right?

Assume makes an ass of u and me? :) Anyway, Morgan, ditch anyone and get me! :D

BobTGoldfish

10/01/2009, 03:19 am

It's interesting

In SoMI, when The 'Brush fell in love with Elaine it was a pretty Physical attraction (there was no-way they got to know each other by the end of SoMI)
But within the space of 2 chapters of one game, Morgan has shown more genuine interest, and more true affection for The 'Brush than (I personally think) Elaine has in 4 and a half games. (in EMI she is active with him, BUT shes very condescending about it.)

Jazzy

10/01/2009, 03:21 am

Is he? I actually just thought wally was a small man...

Well, paedo relationship will spice it up much more than anyone would want XD

Right, so we got Wally and Guybrush paired up, Elaine and Morgan are the next obvious pair which is why I propose Elaine and Captain Kate instead to shake things up more (plus they both have red hair, so they could pull off the whole twin thing), LeChuck and the Voodoo Lady, as a big woman needs a big man to tame her and to get the mojo flowing. Bob and Murray would work well together, as Bob know's how to handle a skull, Morgan should be paired up with the whole Monkey-Island cannibal village, she looks like the sort who would enjoy that, while Herman should definitely go with the merfolk, so that when we encounter him at another island he can sound even more like a demented madman going on about mermaids and the like.

MusicallyInspired

10/01/2009, 07:41 am

Ron Gilbert never wanted Guybrush and Elaine together. And he had ideas for Elaine during the brainstorming session. They might just split up. On the other hand, it might just be something to make everybody freak out and then put them back together again. Either way, I'll accept whatever happens as long as it's delivered well. So far they are doing a great job of putting Morgan and Guybrush together if that's where they're going. If they're just doing it as a distraction then I'm sure TTG will deliver some good stories in Chapters 5 & 6 to change the way I feel again and put Guybrush and Elaine back together and not want to see Morgan with Guybrush.

Good storytelling tells you what you want to see happen in the story. Whether as the final outcome or just a distraction.

puzzlebox

10/01/2009, 07:51 am

Good storytelling tells you what you want to see happen in the story. Whether as the final outcome or just a distraction.

Definitely!

I think people are rooting for Morgan now because she's been given a fair amount of character development and shown an interesting combination of spunk and vulnerability. But Guybrush and Elaine have pretty much done nothing but pine for each other the whole time they've been apart (maybe not so much in Elaine's case, but it seems all Guybrush can think about is getting back to his old ball-and-chain).

For these reasons I think Morgan will get some kind of resolution by the end of Tales, it just won't be with Guybrush.

Fefe

10/01/2009, 07:58 am

I've read some of this thread and just had a feeling that many people here are MUCH too young to have actually played the original MI games when they were released :) No problem with that of course, a franchise always needs new fans (and keeping the old ones too).

I'm not afraid of some changes in the formula, but I hope TTG won't make a soap opera out of it. An Elaine-Guybrush-Morgan "triangle" scene is quite possible, probably there'll be one moment when Guybrush will think about changing to Morgan, but then he won't. It just wouldn't fit in the picture.

Btw I agree that Morgan is DAMN sexy (yes, I think drawn and animated girls can be really sexy, call me a pervert). Those who created her might have a slight interest in S/M culture :)

MusicallyInspired

10/01/2009, 08:08 am

Guybrush running off with Morgan would totally fit the picture. You just don't want it to :).

Fabula vir

10/01/2009, 08:11 am

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't tried giving Morgan the ring a few times...

puzzlebox

10/01/2009, 09:16 am

Guybrush running off with Morgan would totally fit the picture. You just don't want it to :).

True - confirmation bias at its best. :D

dahoughtonuk

10/01/2009, 11:56 am

I think the major problem is we know more about Morgan than we do about Elaine. Elaine is a cypher. We have no contrast. Thus Telltale have hit a problem. If they develop Elaine too much will she be recognisable as Elaine? If they don't do it enough, people might lean to Morgan despite Guybrush's desire for his wife.

It takes two people to make a marriage work but it only takes one person to make it fail. And Guybrush for the moment seems to be the only person actually working on the relationship.

I'd like to see Elaine working on the marriage, since it seems to be only Guybrush who is ever working on it. (And I don't want Morgan to be a Rebound fling, which at the moment seems to be heading that way. Assuming Guybrush survives= BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!)

doggans

10/01/2009, 12:01 pm

It takes two people to make a marriage work but it only takes one person to make it fail. And Guybrush for the moment seems to be the only person actually working on the relationship.

Elaine started out pretty eager to ditch the monkeys and look for Guybrush in Chapter 3. Of course, she "calms down" after that...

Ecto Cooler

10/01/2009, 12:23 pm

I have a feeling it will get very interesting in the next chapter.

dahoughtonuk

10/01/2009, 01:35 pm

Elaine started out pretty eager to ditch the monkeys and look for Guybrush in Chapter 3. Of course, she "calms down" after that...

Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough [And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women

Frogacuda

10/01/2009, 01:52 pm

Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough [And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women

That's very interesting. I hadn't noticed that. I wonder if this might imply the possibility of multiple endings...

Rather Dashing

10/01/2009, 02:05 pm

Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough [And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women
Huh? I did get the cutscene, and mine said Assertive Women. I think it's random, like the rest of the things seem to be.

dahoughtonuk

10/01/2009, 09:26 pm

Fair enough. It just seemed like that on my play throughs.

Kyote

10/02/2009, 06:37 am

Of course they won't split up. Elaine's flirtation with LeChuck, Morgan and Guybrush's attraction, it's narrative tension and creates interest in the reader/player. It's as old as fiction itself, it's just a 'will they or won't they' draw to emotionally invest the player.

MusicallyInspired

10/02/2009, 06:40 am

Well, they still have to make us want to see them get back together before they put them back together....which isn't happening with me yet. I saw it as tension on the Chapter 1 cliffhanger, but not anymore. Now it just seems the logical flow of the story. You gotta make me miss them together if you want to create tension, which is now gone for me.

Kyote

10/02/2009, 06:46 am

MusicallyInspired

10/02/2009, 06:49 am

I know. I'm just saying so far I wouldn't call it tension. If they do put them back together I'll be disappointed, honestly. That doesn't show very much progression in the series as a whole. I like change in games. This would be a great dramatic change. A saga needs to evolve not repeat history.

Kyote

10/02/2009, 06:51 am

It's not a repeat if they have a brief period of trouble due to each being attracted, then end up back together with a stronger relationship for the period apart and not sleeping with someone else...that's evolution too. They can in fact, evolve and progress the relationship without satisfying everyone's fanboy urges for the new flavor of the month, aka, Morgan. The story resolving itself with the two back together is far more satisfying for all the tension it's been through than seeing their relationship end would be.

MusicallyInspired

10/02/2009, 06:57 am

I disagree. :p

Kyote

10/02/2009, 06:59 am

Then we shall have to agree to disagree ;)

Jazzy

10/02/2009, 07:11 am

story is all about progression, and they simply haven't reached that point yet...they WILL, of course.

Exactly. The whole point has been to make us think that there is a real danger of Guybrush and Elaine will break up, chapter 4 I'm guessing we'll start see the resolution, including seeing Elaine back in a better light. Either that, or Guybrush will run off with Morgan, in which case we'll still be shown Elaine in a better light just to drive that knife of guilt into the player. Or maybe Elaine, consumed by the pox, will run off with LeChuck, leaving Guybrush alone with neither of them! Telltale seem to be the types to stick some twist on it at any rate!

Will

10/02/2009, 08:53 am

Telltale seem to be the types to stick some twist on it at any rate!

Yeah, we even hired M. Night Shyamalan to write the final episode. Here's a hint ... stay away from the couscous!

Fabula vir

10/02/2009, 08:58 am

Yeah, we even hired M. Night Shyamalan to write the final episode. Here's a hint ... stay away from the couscous!

Writing GOLD.

HaggisMcMutton

10/02/2009, 11:00 am

Macco

10/02/2009, 11:10 am

Maybe a certain pirate will have a girl in every harbour. Or at least in two ;)

HaggisMcMutton

10/02/2009, 11:11 am

Maybe a certain pirate will have a girl in every harbour. Or at least in two ;)

Haha, yeah maybe Guybrush is a player and we dont even know!

Con

10/02/2009, 02:35 pm

Well, almoast. I think Morgan is actually not looking for someone that is strong enough to tame her but for someone who's complete opposite of her but still understands her. A man that can balance her, it's like the philosophy of yin and yang. She was actually talking about herself when Guybrush asked her how to deal with the destructivly angry female manatee and the advices she gave sums up to be the qualities of Guybrush. But as you said Threepwood didn't get Morgans points and directly after she realised that Guybrushs heart was still beating strong for Elane and you could see Lafley was hurt by that.

Agree. Also one thing made me wonder: during the chapter 3 when GT is supposed to learn the manatee language in Flotsam he asks Morgan's help in getting to the isle, but she responded somewhat worried about "GT getting dissected" and offers the voodoo-solution tho bringing him to the Marquis is her main goal, and that was after her disappointment; think she'd still turn him in in chapter 4?

techie775

10/02/2009, 03:37 pm

I actually liked Morgan in ch3. Despite her having a interest in bringing Guybrush into DeSinge and knocking him out in the end, how she acts during the chapter makes feel sympathetic for her characters interest in Guybrush. Him being married to Elaine doesn't help. But I do think Morgan helped Guybrush out more in this chapter than Elaine did in all four games (saved from fester in mansion, saved from Lechuck and a sword in the beginning in three, gave him a ship in mi4 and gave him that gov symbol). I like Elaine, I just wish they worked as partners more than instead of Guybrush being Elaine's errand boy. I hope Morgan has a happy ending (and that's not just because she's hot) instead of being blown in the air like Lechuck.

Anhi

10/08/2009, 02:39 am

<3 all the spinoff threads of this :p

doodo!

10/08/2009, 07:04 am

Well, just as long as he doesn't get screwed in a figurative sense. I wouldn't be too big with the whole socilogical divorce thing...and all that sort of BS. I'd rather a comedy game stay a comedy game and not get into questionable territory. Maybe...maybe a hint of a three some at the end of the game...MAYBE

Rather Dashing

10/08/2009, 11:47 am

Agree. Also one thing made me wonder: during the chapter 3 when GT is supposed to learn the manatee language in Flotsam he asks Morgan's help in getting to the isle, but she responded somewhat worried about "GT getting dissected" and offers the voodoo-solution tho bringing him to the Marquis is her main goal, and that was after her disappointment; think she'd still turn him in in chapter 4?
There's no way she'd know about the voodoo solution. Though on the developer level it's obviously a hint, she more or less was saying that there was no way he could actually set foot on Flotsam.

She still knocked Guybrush and Winslow out, and the next episode will still include a trial on Flotsam. I don't see how she won't turn him in, unless she's actually trying to sail him away from Flotsam and something gets in their way.

Takun

10/08/2009, 11:53 am

Rather Dashing

10/08/2009, 12:12 pm

Don't forget, Guybrush is cured of the pox, making him useless as an experiment to de Singe. It may just be a case of wanting some kind of reward for it all. (I think she knocked him out from frustration, he didn't get {or just ignored} all the hints she dropped.)
She continued to knock out Winslow and take over the ship after the credits.

Also, Guybrush probably wasn't useful due to the pox. There were plenty of pirates that had it that DeSinge could capture. Though the sponge MAY have sucked up what makes Guybrush important, I think it's more likely that the Cutlass of Kaflu and/or the fact that he has some sort of magical voodoo destiny or SOMETHING else that is likely connected to him starting this whole mess makes him important.

Con

10/08/2009, 12:14 pm

There's no way she'd know about the voodoo solution. Though on the developer level it's obviously a hint, she more or less was saying that there was no way he could actually set foot on Flotsam.

She still knocked Guybrush and Winslow out, and the next episode will still include a trial on Flotsam. I don't see how she won't turn him in, unless she's actually trying to sail him away from Flotsam and something gets in their way.

Hm, what I meant was 'another solution', the one we know as the 'voodoo-solution'. Thought it'd be simple enough, sorry.

I'd say knocking GT out was the only option for not answering her call even if she'd not turn him in, and maybe she just dislikes Winslow or maybe she's having her period...heck I'm only guessing but it does indeed seem obvious wut you said. But had he answered her the way she'd had wanted, who knows if she had chosen to let it be. :confused:

Con

10/08/2009, 12:19 pm

Takun

10/08/2009, 03:22 pm

I agree with the frustrating part, that's my guess as well. But the bounty still exists for Guybrush, poxed or not, eh?

Exactly why i think she'sbringing him in. Its gonna be called the Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood. Those happen when you get arrested: I doubt de Singe would be giving our Mighty Pirate™ a trial before strapping him to a table. As for her knocking out Winslow, lets face it, he's pretty loyal to Cap'n Threepwood. You can't very well take over a ship by only knocking out half of the loyal crew.

Con

10/09/2009, 12:36 am

Now you lost me...first you said she knocked him out from frustration and while pox-free, the marquis wouldn't pay her the bounty (or have I misunderstood?),
and then...:confused:

Takun

10/09/2009, 01:09 am

Now you lost me...first you said she knocked him out from frustration and while pox-free, the marquis wouldn't pay her the bounty (or have I misunderstood?),
and then...:confused:

Well, yeah. Im pretty sure she knocked him out of frustration because he managed to put the sponge and curing Elaine first, and she's taking him back to Flotsam now. If nothing else, she has her pride about finishing a job.

But I dont think she'll hand him over to de Singe. He doesnt have the pox anymore, so he might not be as valuable to the Marquis, and even if the doctor does still over a reward to strap him to the table, frustrated or not, I think she'd sooner just hand him to the local jail and just get his Wanted bounty instead. (If you examine the signed photo she drops, Guybrush notes that its either from an article about after he saved a villiage or Morgan's clipped it from one of his wanted posters, so theres some reward offered for bringing him in.)

This is just my speculation, but she probably thinks Guybrush-would-make-a-better-pastry-chef Threepwood would probably just be given small jail time, but just how many things has he wrecked, lied about or stolen? (I imagine that Note of Credit back in Secret mightve been the first thing to lead to his Wanted! poster.) It'll probably snow ball until its not just the Trial, but the Trial and Execution of GT.

But really, this is all just my guesswork so yknow.. don't put too much stock into it.

Con

10/09/2009, 03:48 am

Takun

10/09/2009, 03:53 am

Hmm but the bounty was placed by the Marquis, not the court, and I still can't think of any crime Guybrush would have committed while on Flotsam.
She went after Guybrush when Marquis contacted her so my guess would be she doesn't even know of any other bounty.

So unless she's turning him in to Marquis, she's some ace up her sleeve or then some unknown event takes place before they reach Flotsam.

Apart from releasing the pox in the first place (yeah, they'd be mean about that), firing cannonballs, breaking glass unicorns, stealing glass breakers,using a fake ID to enter a private club, starting a bar fight, throwing bombs at the single ship, disturbing the peace and injuring a captain? Yeah, Guybrush was a good boy on Flotsam, hah.

Besides, I think most courts are willing to hold a wanted pirate.

Con

10/09/2009, 04:04 am

Takun

10/09/2009, 04:09 am

The pox was pure accident and there were no witnesses for breaking the unicorns nor stealing the horn. Seizing the ship was more of a entertainment as far as I know; the townsfolk built the ship so that everyone had a chance to become captain. The fight was due to his pox ridden hand which he could easily prove. Moreover if people were to sue each other in a piratetown every time a fight would break out, they would need more jails than residences.

I think your taking things a little too literal. It wouldn't be hard to pin the blame on guybrush. He knew the "death cloud" was the Pox of LeChuck as soon as he saw it, so theres a connection there, and youve made a double-sided argument there itself. If he had the pox, he was innocent of the fight but they'd probably just as easily blame him for the outbreak. If he wasn't at fault, he did the punch up himself.

Lets face it, a few things went topsy turvey on Flotsam the instant Guybrush washed up on shore and punched a guy right in his "Poor Pirate Nose". More often than not, most people are keen to look for a scape goat than anything. (And if everyone's guess is right and his lawyer is Stan, I can't see how any plea of innocence will help him.)

Con

10/09/2009, 04:17 am

Sure so you agree the law on some forsaken Island wouldn't be even close to the laws we have nowadays.

The pox is another matter, but I don't follow your point:

"He knew the "death cloud" was the Pox of LeChuck as soon as he saw it, so theres a connection there, and youve made a double-sided argument there itself."

Takun

10/09/2009, 04:23 am

Sure so you agree the law on some forsaken Island wouldn't be even close to the laws we have nowadays.

The pox is another matter, but I don't follow your point:

Well, I cant remember a law that punished people with hanging and drawn and quartering... but then again, Monkey Island isn't set in this day and age.

As for my point, wouldn't GT being able to correctly identify it as the pox prove he had some prior entanglement with it? Anyway, six of one, half a dozen of the other. If your a wanted pirate on one island, your pretty much a wanted pirate by the law on any island. (MI4 settled that with the policeman decided to check Guybrush's history "just to check to find out what you've been up to." Threepwood was looking pretty nervous until the cop decided he looked too harmless to be a threat.

Con

10/09/2009, 04:32 am

but then again, Monkey Island isn't set in this day and age.

Exactly: While you considered firing a cannon and fighting against law, I'd say you were refering to today's world.

Just having something to do with the pox doesn't mean you're the one to blame, eh? It all began while he was trying to get rid of LeChuck, the most notorious evil zombie pirate. I'd blame Lechuck for simply extracting the pox free. But if you could prove it was Guybrush who released the winds, now that would be another thing.

Con

10/09/2009, 04:41 am

If your a wanted pirate on one island, your pretty much a wanted pirate by the law on any island. (MI4 settled that with the policeman decided to check Guybrush's history "just to check to find out what you've been up to." Threepwood was looking pretty nervous until the cop decided he looked too harmless to be a threat.

Aye, but since the visit at Lurce Island it's been loong time and they'd get on his trail now? More than mere Police I'd expect Morgan to be at his throat for that.