Poll: Elaine vs Morgan

[puzzlebox]

With the introduction of Morgan LeFlay, it looks like Guybrush's relationship with Elaine may be tested. Each woman seems to have a loyal band of supporters on the forum.

So what's the demographic breakdown? Do the girls want to see Guybrush be true to his wife, while the guys want to see him get with the hot totty? Let's find out...

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Wow, thanks for the awesome response! Here's the breakdown on male vs female opinions so far. Looks like the guys are fairly evenly split, while the girls overwhelmingly prefer Elaine. Very interesting!!

Males (%)
Elaine: 48
Morgan: 48
Other: 4

Females (%)
Elaine: 66
Morgan: 29
Other: 6

Stats based on 311 votes. Figures may not add to 100% due to rounding.

[BeeKay84]

Great idea to split it into male and female voters. :) I BET more male than female users will vote for Morgan. The votes for Elaine look balanced for now, but that might change over the course of a few days.

Anyways, I'm female and I think Guybrush should (and will) stay with Elaine. After all, he doesn't even notice Morgan's feelings for him.

[nitsujsedohr]

We never do until we realize we have our own. once Elaine is no longer interesting he'll be looking at Morgan like, Daammmmnnnn.

[Irishmile]

Yeah Guybrush still seems obsessed with Elaine... its all he talks about much to Morgan's disliking.... and lets not forget he had no problems trying to get Morgan to go on a date with Noogie

Elaine on the other hand? Her loyalties seem more likely to break.

[Con]

As interesting as Morgan has made the current events, I'd stay faithful to Elaine nevertheless. Morgan is still very fascinating new character but to actually ditch your wife without a reason....no can do.:cool:

[puzzlebox]

Great idea to split it into male and female voters. :) I BET more male than female users will vote for Morgan.

I bet so too! :)

At the moment ALL the females (5) have voted for Elaine, while the guys are split 58% / 42% in Elaine's favour. Will be interesting to see if that persists...

[Garenth]

Having just finished "Lair of the Leviathan" I gotta vote for Morgan. She's a great character, just very cool overall AND she supports Guybrush in a good way (at least when she's actually on his side!). Also, the fact that I don't like Elaine as much in ToMI as in the other games might have something to do with it as well (don't get me wrong, she's still a good character and all). Anyways, it will be exciting to see how it all plays out in the next episodes. :)

[Irishmile]

I can say that Morgan does give Guybrush a little more respect than Elaine gives him... that sort of thing goes a long way for a man.

But still I vote Elaine.. he worked so hard to get her he shouldn't ruin it now.

[Megaloman]

I was going to vote for Morgan (I'm Male), but then I realised she's just like the girl who's looking for excitement, not a relationship. So no reason to get a divorce, there.

...maybe the Voodoo Lady would be a better match, despite the de Cava thing.

[Angel Summoner]

Morgan is too much of a carbon copy of Elaine, so I vote for the original.

[hellary]

Morgan all the way. Elaine treats Guybrush like a second class citizen. Morgan and Guybrush work well as a team... even though she chopped his hand off.

[coolsome]

I voted winslow ^^

[Moll]

I vote Anemone!

[hellary]

I vote Anemone!

:-S

[Irishmile]

I do not like fish unless its beer battered.

[Geypi]

which (HUH?) voted for Elaine? That (WHAT!) doesn't even love Guybrush.

[Irishmile]

But how do you really feel about Elaine?

[BeeKay84]

which idiots voted for Elaine? That bitch doesn't even love Guybrush.
These "idiots" are expressing their opinions, it's called freedom of speech, in case you don't know. :rolleyes:
And in my humble opinion, Elaine does love Guybrush (though maybe not as much as he loves her). Would she have been worried sick about him after the explosion on her ship, or would she have been mad at him for losing his wedding ring (along with his hand), if she didn't love him?

[Fealiks]

Elaine treats Guybrush like crap; just wants him for his treasure. Morgan genuinely likes Guybrush. Guybrush loves Elaine.

Classic love triangle... or square if you count Winslow.

[puzzlebox]

Elaine treats Guybrush like crap; just wants him for his treasure.

Guybrush is a treasure in himself (aw). :D

Classic love triangle... or square if you count Winslow.

Pentagon... don't forget LeChuck!

[Irishmile]

I think Elaine already had more treasure than GT if anything he is the one who married up.

[Erwin]

Having Guybrush and Elaine marry in CMI took away the tension between the two characters. The unreachable governor is much more interesting than the married wife. So I'm not surprised that many people like Morgan. She's unreachable, just like Elaine used to be.

[Woodsyblue]

Eh, Elaine don't give Guybrush no respect, it's Morgan time! Plus Morgan is a far more fleshed out and interesting character.

Do I think it's actually going to happen? That's another story...

[Irishmile]

Regardless TTG can feel proud that they created an all new character that is already so beloved by rabidly faithful MI fans.

[hellary]

The thing is, I wouldn't really want Guybrush to just "get with" Morgan, it wouldn't be in his character to cheat. However, Elaine already treats him like dirt so it would be more in character for Elaine to leave Guybrush leaving him devastated and opening up a glimmer of a future with Morgan. Maybe there's some material here for Tales of Monkey Island Season 2 eh?

[Katsuro]

I really don't think Elaine will leave him...
There is certainly something fishy going on, but she seems to be honest about Guybrush. And I'll continue to believe in that until ToMI prooves me wrong.

[Spadge]

I'm rooting for Elaine. She loves Guybrush very much, she's just a bit too british and has trouble showing her feelings.
Actually, I'm hoping the next chapter would have alot of Elaine and Guybrush, so they can work out their problems and get some sparks back. I think the Young Adventurous Elaine is somewhere in there, and the Trail&Execution would bring her back.

[Fury]

Elaine treats Guybrush like crap; just wants him for his treasure. Morgan genuinely likes Guybrush. Guybrush loves Elaine.

Classic love triangle... or square if you count Winslow.

True

[Takun]

I'd still vote for Morgan. She's alot more of an interesting character really; if everyone's right about Ron Gillbert not wanting Guybrush and her to be married it would've made for alot more interesting encounters. (And imagine if the single Elaine would act a tad jelous at knowing Guybrush had been solving things with Morgan? It'd be fun to watch and at the end of it all, MI is still a comedy.)

[wisp]

i voted for elaine...her tales interpretation is quite charming actually. also, i would definitely prefer a bossy wife over some over enthusiastic fangirl, that occasionally cuts off some of my limbs, anytime.
maybe guybrush and elaine will break up, but replacing elaine with morgan wouldn't be the best choice. in that case guybrush might end with no girl at all...

[Con]

Regardless TTG can feel proud that they created an all new character that is already so beloved by rabidly faithful MI fans.

Well said.

Maybe there's some material here for Tales of Monkey Island Season 2 eh?

Definitely, but the 2 remaining episodes may be enough to end all the speculations. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

[Pantagruel's Friend]

And in my humble opinion, Elaine does love Guybrush (though maybe not as much as he loves her). Would she have been worried sick about him after the explosion on her ship, or would she have been mad at him for losing his wedding ring (along with his hand), if she didn't love him?

I think so too - she simply treats him as a kid, which is, let's admit it, not exactly inappropriate.

Regardless TTG can feel proud that they created an all new character that is already so beloved by rabidly faithful MI fans.

Good point, agreed!

[dfielder]

I just finished chapter 3 (stayed up till 6 to finish it! It was way good)

I think Guybrush should stay with Elaine in the long run , but I really like the romance between Guybrush and Morgan. So for now I would like to see how the whole thing between Morgan evolves and if they get together that would be pretty cool.

[108 Stars]

Elaine ftw. I love her voice.

[ryaninc]

However, Elaine already treats him like dirt...

As puzzlebox said over in this thread (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12794), Guybrush has done his fair share of mistreating Elaine and she's still in love with him (http://www.multiverseworks.com/wallpapers/games/monkeyisland/ToMI102_GuybrushElaine_1920x1080.jpg). Wrecked her mansion, turned her into a statue, infected the entire Caribbean with the pox, etc.

So I don't necessarily think it's fair to simply say that Elaine treats Guybrush badly. They both have their moments, which, just like any TV sitcom couple, is part of what makes them likable (and hilarious!)
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[eatonjb]

wait, wait.. we all forget the MI is a rated PG game (well it's for the kiddies too ya know)

and we cant have cheeting and the sorts..

Personaly, on another note..

I'm voting 3some.. because well,, I have a sick damn mind!

[thatdude98]

I voted for Murray.

[jmm]

Elaine ftw. I love her voice.

Lovely voice, plus who could resist her "pretty please"...

But I think they'll part ways at the end of episode 5 (But will get back together in the next game)

[Smashman2004]

I'd actually like him to get with Elayne..
(Anyone geddit? Cookies for all that do.)

[Mermaid]

My guess is he'll be with Elaine in the end.
But actually, in case Morgan is introduced to LeChuck and LeChuck will not be responding to Elaine's flirting action, this is the picture I see:

Guybrush wants Elaine
Elaine wants LeChuck
LeChuck wants Morgan
Morgan wants Guybrush.

Perfect love chaos! :D

[Smashman2004]

Bah Humbug.
LeChuck would never want Morgan..
Although Morgan and LeChuck would make an awesome pairing.

[Mermaid]

Bah Humbug.
LeChuck would never want Morgan..
Although Morgan and LeChuck would make an awesome pairing.

I'm not too sure about this anymore. Him falling in love with some other woman would free the plot from the neverending "LeChuck-after-Elaine" subject- Plus, I wonder whether that "Le" in "LeChuck" and "LeFlay" is a coincidental commonness?

[Smashman2004]

I'm not too sure about this anymore. Him falling in love with some other woman would free the plot from the neverending "LeChuck-after-Elaine" subject- Plus, I wonder whether that "Le" in "LeChuck" and "LeFlay" is a coincidental commonness?

I agree with your statement.
It's been the staple of the Monkey Island series since the beginning.
I was a bit worried when they de-voodoo'd LeChuck, to be honest I hope he gets re-voodoo'd by the end..
However your, Le note is quite interesting.

[Mermaid]

Yeah, I see what you mean. I like the human LeChuck as most of the people in here do but I really want him to have an evil master plan that involves eliminating Guybrush and winning Elaine for himself - at least for one more time. ;-)

[Smashman2004]

It a requirement of the Monkey Island series!
Much like Monkey Island its self, which appears to be lacking at the moment!

[Moll]

Yeah, I see what you mean. I like the human LeChuck as most of the people in here do but I really want him to have an evil master plan that involves eliminating Guybrush and winning Elaine for himself - at least for one more time. ;-)

Well, when Guybrush first meet LeChuck on Spoon Isle in episode 2, Lechuck is saying "Go and write with the shingle, the clam has almost grown feet." to a monkey, while LeChuck has a pretty evil facial expression, before he notices Guybrush and goes all nice.

I'm pretty sure LeChuck has something fishy going on.

[GaryCXJk]

I think Elaine should just ditch Guybrush for Morgan LeFlay, and I'm pretty sure Winslow is already smitten with LeChuck.

[Captain Mickey]

All the way for Elaine! Let's look at it this way: While Elaine did sucker punch Guybrush, Morgan hacked off his hand clean off, which in turn worried Elaine (and of course question the whereabouts of his wedding ring).

Even after punching him in the jaw, making him hang over a pit holding a heavy treasure chest to his supposed demise, and sending him off to do silly errands, Elaine loves Guybrush where as Morgan (and don't get me wrong, I think she is a very cool new character) pretty much dropped all enthusiasm when she sees Guybrush negotiating as oppose to hacking and slashing the pirates in Chap. 3. I did feel bad for Morgan when she was hitting on Guybrush and he just brushed her off like it was nothing....but I think that just proves his loyalty to Elaine, and also Elaine got pretty P.Oed at Lechuck when he took his time and she wanted to go quickly to Guybrush. And this is just a fan's perspective, but I think Elaine purposely didn't go with Guybrush because she fears that because she has the pox (her not being aware Guybrush has it as well) she would harm the one person she cares about most.

....But yeah, I'm all for Elaine. :)

[hellary]

Maybe Telltale should just program in multiple ending scenarios so as to please everyone. :rolleyes:

I know it'll end up being Elaine but I can still wish otherwise. I wouldn't want to see Morgan broken hearted again.

[LowMoralFiber]

The case for Morgan:
Telltale has been doing a lot more work to endear Morgan as a character and a love interest for Guybrush to the players then they have for Elaine, and in Ron Gilbert's interpretation of Elaine's character their relationship would never have resulted in her and Guybrush being married. That and Elaine's character has become much less dynamic since Curse...

The case for Elaine:
She's been Guybrush's lawfully wedded wife for two games now! Breaking them up would cast a pall over the previous two MI games (especially Curse) and the only way it would work would be for Elaine to leave Guybrush, since Guybrush leaving Elaine would be pretty damn out of character!

Questions, questions...

[gachupian]

Morgan i way hoter than elaine

[MusicallyInspired]

Male. Chose Morgan. It's different and would be a fresh switch up for the series.

Unless TTG comes up with a way to make us/me want Elaine again. Or at least make it acceptable to us/me by the end of the game to have Elaine back with Guybrush (or stay with Guybrush, depending on how you look at it).

[puzzlebox]

Looks like the theory was pretty much on the mark! Updated the original post with results so far. Thanks for all the responses!

[BeeKay84]

All the way for Elaine! Let's look at it this way: While Elaine did sucker punch Guybrush, Morgan hacked off his hand clean off, which in turn worried Elaine (and of course question the whereabouts of his wedding ring).

Even after punching him in the jaw, making him hang over a pit holding a heavy treasure chest to his supposed demise, and sending him off to do silly errands, Elaine loves Guybrush where as Morgan (and don't get me wrong, I think she is a very cool new character) pretty much dropped all enthusiasm when she sees Guybrush negotiating as oppose to hacking and slashing the pirates in Chap. 3. I did feel bad for Morgan when she was hitting on Guybrush and he just brushed her off like it was nothing....but I think that just proves his loyalty to Elaine, and also Elaine got pretty P.Oed at Lechuck when he took his time and she wanted to go quickly to Guybrush. And this is just a fan's perspective, but I think Elaine purposely didn't go with Guybrush because she fears that because she has the pox (her not being aware Guybrush has it as well) she would harm the one person she cares about most.

....But yeah, I'm all for Elaine. :)
Very well said. I couldn't have done it any better and I fully agree. :)

[punkmario]

If youd asked me this about a week before episode 3 came out, i would have said hed stick with elaine, seeing as my girlfriend at the time looked like elaine and for a joke i used to call her plundy bunny, well....that bitch up and cheated on me. so yknow what Guybrush, go plough that morgan chick, hell of a set on her!

>.o

[Geypi]

These "idiots" are expressing their opinions, it's called freedom of speech, in case you don't know. :rolleyes:
And in my humble opinion, Elaine does love Guybrush (though maybe not as much as he loves her). Would she have been worried sick about him after the explosion on her ship, or would she have been mad at him for losing his wedding ring (along with his hand), if she didn't love him?

oooh so freedom of speech. I guess i don't have it cause i cant even express my opinion.

[Irishmile]

All joking aside some people here may not have freedom of speech.... I.E. people from China do not get to view youtube videos they are blocked by their government.

[dahoughtonuk]

For me it's always been about how they're acting. Guybrush is loyal to Elaine which is definelty good. Now an exotic young girl, who reminds him of the woman he fell in love with appears, and actually has interest in him. Is Guybrush attracted? Certainly. In love? Certainly not.

Elaine does care for Guybrush, but it seems weird to yell at someone for losing a wedding ring when the bigger problem is he lost a hand and then hand your ring back. We're starting to wonder what type of love she has for Guybrush. She's worried, yes, but it's looking less like a wife and more like a mother or big sis.

Morgan's downside is her obsessiveness, and mood swings. To be fair we've seen a lot of her character. We have seen her already deal with a false image she had.

If I voted, my bet at the moment would be neither. Morgan needs to face a bit more of herself, and Elaine needs to show plainly even if subtly that not only does she love Guybrush, she is in love with him.

You know this explains the neccessity for 'Execution of Guybrush Threepwood'. Something to get past Elaine's reserve perhaps.

Me, I want Guybrush to win.

[Mermaid]

Well put dahoughtonuk! Really well put!

[shref]

depends if she actually starts cheating on him with lechuck or not. if so, drop her and get some better booty, aka morgan

[Aiursrage2k]

After all the trouble I went through in the original remake of MI he better stay with Elaine :mad:

[OldSchoolC]

I'm surprised so few female gamers are voting in this channel... I wonder if a greater percentage of guys that play the MI series use the forums or if there just aren't that many women who play MI.

(I personally know 2 women that are fans of it, and only one other guy, so I find this surprising)

[nadir]

Guybrush is devoted to Elaine, who despite acting a little odd towards him this whole season is possibly the only woman in the Caribbean able to tollerate his ineptitude.

Morgan is just an infatuated fan girl who is gradually becoming more and more disillusioned as she gets to know the true Guybrush. I think the old LeChuck is probably better suited to her. Also in ep 3 if you try give her Guybrush picture back she refuses and then talks about getting a full colour LeChuck, could be seen as a bit of fore shadowing.

[Irishmile]

She would make an awesome LeChuck henchwomen

[GaryCXJk]

Yeah, no. I think she'll either stay bounty hunter, become a model of Playbounty (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IncrediblyLamePun), or just end up dead.

[Fury]

Ooo.. Soon elaine will lose!

[108 Stars]

Disgusting how people are abandoning lovely Elaine after all that time for that barbaric wannabe-pirate-hunter! :P

[BeeKay84]

Disgusting how people are abandoning lovely Elaine after all that time for that barbaric wannabe-pirate-hunter! :P
*applauds* Very well spoken!

[ryaninc]

*applauds* Very well spoken!

Agreed, definitely well put. And I agree completely. :)

[Smashman2004]

Morgan LeFlay (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fangirl)
Factual and true.

[nadir]

Disgusting how people are abandoning lovely Elaine after all that time for that barbaric wannabe-pirate-hunter! :P

Yeh, I'm surpised people are so easily won over too.

[LowMoralFiber]

Here's an interesting query... Out of CMI, EMI and TMI (so far) how many times has Elaine been truly affectionate towards Guybrush? How many times has she been physically or verbally abusive towards him? If memory serves, we're not looking at too even of a ratio...

Not to say that Morgan is any better since she's sliced off his hand and knocked him out (but then again, she isn't his wife...)

[Takun]

Here's an interesting query... Out of CMI, EMI and TMI (so far) how many times has Elaine been truly affectionate towards Guybrush? How many times has she been physically or verbally abusive towards him? If memory serves, we're not looking at too even of a ratio...

Not to say that Morgan is any better since she's sliced off his hand and knocked him out (but then again, she isn't his wife...)

That sort've reminds me of that Chef in South Park query. "How many times has Chef helped us out with our problems?" "Four."

Having never played CMI, I've got to stop and think. Theres that little cuddle in the opening cinematic of EMI and then... then.. theeeeen... don't help me on this, I'm sure I'll get it....


Here's something people have kinda forgotten about. Remember Elaine's reaction when LeChuck lost his voodoo curses?
"Woof."

[Byakko]

The lack of females playing MI is ... interesting =S

Here's an interesting query... Out of CMI, EMI and TMI (so far) how many times has Elaine been truly affectionate towards Guybrush? How many times has she been physically or verbally abusive towards him? If memory serves, we're not looking at too even of a ratio...

Not to say that Morgan is any better since she's sliced off his hand and knocked him out (but then again, she isn't his wife...)

Not to put too fine a point on it but...maybe..Guybrush...likes it...that way...o_x

Btw, I'm so far noting this whole game feels a lot like Guybrush's quest to getting laid (after his long trip of creating the Voodoo Cutlass, which I'm assuming took at least 3 months or sth), specifically with Elaine (I mean end of Chapter 2, the reward for all his efforts? He wanted some snuggling goddammit, give that man some snuggling D=)

Dude's incredibly single-minded so far with that quest o_O

[DazS]

Elaine just wants the whole situation to be finished so she can go back to semi-peaceful times with Guybrush.
If that means she has to make him do something he doesn't want to do, then so be it.

[MaxFan]

Btw, I'm so far noting this whole game feels a lot like Guybrush's quest to getting laid (after his long trip of creating the Voodoo Cutlass, which I'm assuming took at least 3 months or sth), specifically with Elaine (I mean end of Chapter 2, the reward for all his efforts? He wanted some snuggling goddammit, give that man some snuggling D=)

Seriously, she said she'd make things worth his while...

[moo535]

i'm male and i voted elaine. too much out o character for guybrush to leave her. but i feel sorry for morgan. i hope she gets someone too, preferably not setup as the tragedy ending and a wedge between elaine and guybrush.

especially if elaine starts abusing guybrush about spending x amount of time alone with a strange woman....you know...as opposed to her spending as much if not more time alone with lechuck.

[Zethos]

I don't get why everyone thinks Elaine treats Guybrush badly I mean remember the honeymoon reference, Maybe its only when things need to get done. Cause it is pretty clear that Guybrush is easily distracted all the time.

And Im a male who voted for him to stay with Elaine

[PainDealer]

Guybrush should stay with Elaine so I can grab Morgan :D

[floweroftheforest]

Elaine is definitely the love of guybrushes life.
She gave up her credibility as governor for the love of him.
Morgan however had no qualms whatsoever to cutting off his hand to achieve her aims and to get noticed in her career.
What else would she cut off to further her ambitions one asks oneself.;)

[Irishmile]

Yeah I still do not see GT leaving Elaine he is so enamored with her its all he can think, and talk about.

[nitsujsedohr]

Well, I want Guybrush to do the Manly Piratey thing and Grab ahold of Morgan. I think after he is risen from the dead with the Pox he will, then Elanie and LeChuck will have to fight a Truly unhinged Guybrush. I think Guybrush could become unstoppable if he turn into a Remorseless Zombie Pirate

[wkjezz]

I have to say, giving Guybrush more prosperity would be great, and Telltale are playing on our interest between Guybrush and Morgan.

If you were a man, what would you prefer?

Spend the rest of your life with someone who thinks you're great, but is trying to kill you (sort of) (Which incidentally the "Rest of your life" would not be too grand of an endeavor should your oppressor win)

or


Spend the rest of your life with someone who patronizes and berates you, but is not trying to kill you (at least) yet has kind of a thing for the undead (sort of) pirate meanie pants you though so hard to quash... 4 times (Which incidentally the first part of that sums up marriage pretty good)

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

Morgan all the way.

On a side note, the ratio of males to females at this point is 7:1.

[Irishmile]

Lucky girls get to hang out with all of us manly men.

[dahoughtonuk]

I felt telltale are doing a good job in keeping the question open. Morgan's flaws have finally been shown so know we need to know more about Elaine. Now the pics show what happens but not why

the set up of the swordfight will show which way the leaning will go. We don't know why Morgan and Elaine are fighting.

Is Elaine 'rescuing' Guybrush?
Is Morgan 'defending' him?
Is it both? (thus boosting Elaine without damaging Morgan more)


I also added a riduiculous theory in the shocking truth. Emphasing I didn't believe it but supposed Morgan does:


Guybrush is used as a stalking horse against Elaine's first unsuccessful victim, and sent on a wild goose chase to Monkey Island where all who have gone have died. Against all odds he survives and is about to defeat Le Chuck when Elaine intervenes giving Le Chuck a new focus for his anger.

[wkjezz]

Wax lips and gopher repellent... that's all a Pirate needs

[techie775]

I lost all respect and sympathy for Morgan as a character in Chapter 3. She claims Guybrush is her idol, but when the chance comes along, she's slices off his hand, and later knocks him out to send him back to the pyscho doc. Neither one of those actions are very good at getting Guybrush to be your boyfriend or friend (which in the one cutscene it looked like she wanted). Doesn't she have any values at all besides a piece of eight?

[wkjezz]

It's the code! She is hopelessly dedicated to her job >.<

[Irishmile]

After she completes her obligation all bets may be off.... she may turn right around and help Guybrush free himself

[LordSky]

Elaine and Guybrush are drawn too old for my taste, while Morgan is much younger and cuter so it's hard to vote for Elaine. I definitely do not like Elaine's rosy cheek.

[Gryffalio]

Elaine isn't drawn that old. The vocals do give away that the age of the voice-actor here and there, and this unfortunately makes it feel like she's older than her character would seem if you turned the audio off.

[Irishmile]

Yeah I noticed that about Alexandra's voice too. But only when she is in her evil mode... So maybe we can chalk it up to being poxed up.

[PirateUnwritten]

Like i said in other threads in this forum:
Morgan is much cuter and she have tons of energy to make Monkey island fun. Elaine had her moment, now ditch her Telltale!


http://gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/mi103_morganguybrush.jpg

[Gryffalio]

I'm Guybrush Threepwood the fickle, womanising epitome of the 21st-century West.

... bit of a mouthful don't you think? :)

[Irishmile]

I'm still an Elaine man.... Gotta love a gal that loves your flaws as well as your strengths.. I do rather like Morgan as a character though.

[Lup]

In my opinion Morgan IS cuter and has a great dangerous charme. BUT elaine and guybrush belong together... too bad for you guybrush! ;P
Im wondering why the designed Elaine so much uglier than Morgan i mean come on!? xD oh and i hate her accent! o..O

[puzzlebox]

After this chapter I think it's even more evident that Guybrush is a one-woman man - and that woman is Elaine. Even when she's "poxing out" at him and says some pretty mean stuff, he doesn't get mad (well... maybe a little bit hurt... but he hides it well). He just says "I know that's the pox talking, but you are going to owe me SO many smooches when this is all over." Aww.

Guybrush and Elaine are rock solid.

[Irishmile]

i hate her accent! o..O

GASP!!!! close that can of worms....!

[Rather Dashing]

I have no idea how anyone can be vouching for a Morgan/Guybrush relationship after the final scene of Episode 4 unless they're completely callous and misogynistic.

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

Im wondering why the designed Elaine so much uglier than Morgan i mean come on!? xD

Actually I don't understand the people who say Elaine would be ugly in ToMI. I think they are good-looking in different ways. Morgan is more the "hot" type, while Elaine seems more like the "cosy" (not the best word to describe what I'm trying to express) type. And in regard of a serious relationship I would prefer the second one (if I would have to choose).
And although it seems like Morgan is treating Guybrush better than Elaine does, the constellation between Guybrush and Elaine fits more than Guybrush/Morgan in my opinion.
Just imagine a relationship of Morgan and Guybrush... I'm getting a quite boring picture here, at least after a while. I think Guybrush and Elaine have some special something with each other. It's more a deeper friendship and longer lasting love than an infatuation - this stage of their relationship has already passed, successful.

[Irishmile]

I get what you are saying... Morgan is the vixen that you want to have fun with... Elaine is the cutey you want to marry and introduce to your mom.

I have known plenty of Morgans and Elaines in my day I think I ended up marrying a mix of the two.

[feverfew]

Yup.

But I still vouch for their friendship, together with a serious talk about Morgan's motives, her final help... Guybrush could express his gratitude too.

I mean, c'mon people, if there is another woman in the set, we don't have to drag her to bed. They can be ass-kicking friends ;)

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

I get what you are saying... Morgan is the vixen that you want to have fun with... Elaine is the cutey you want to marry and introduce to your mom.

I have known plenty of Morgans and Elaines in my day I think I ended up marrying a mix of the two.

Well, congratulations then! ;)

And yeah, that's my point.

[feverfew]

I get what you are saying... Morgan is the vixen that you want to have fun with... Elaine is the cutey you want to marry and introduce to your mom.


Which part of "ravish me silly" or all that cat fighting sounds "cutey"? Just curious ;)

[feverfew]

I have no idea how anyone can be vouching for a Morgan/Guybrush relationship after the final scene of Episode 4 unless they're completely callous and misogynistic.

Yup.

But I still vouch for their friendship, together with a serious talk about Morgan's motives, her final help... Guybrush could express his gratitude too.

I mean, c'mon people, if there is another woman in the set, we don't have to drag her to bed. They can be ass-kicking friends

[bobtheskutter]

The lack of female voters is quite dispiriting.

Morgan is almost half Guybrush's age, surely. She's certainly naive and still finding her feet in life. Guybrush and Elaine seem to have a great partnership where they are both equally capable of commandeering and captaining ships and finding booty. Okay, Elaine treats Guybrush as if he's a little lacking in the hero department but she still married him which says something for her good taste, right?

Ten years of marriage says they are doing something right.

(Though there was a study recently that said that the average lifespan for a marriage that ends in divorce is 11 years...).

[upperchuck]

This thread is honest to God disgusting. They're a married couple and been that way for like 10 years now... I think some people are being very immature here and not very realistic. This game isn't called Pimp Sugar Daddy of the Caribbean...

[dahoughtonuk]

Some people have Wiis

Spoilers for Episode 4 We needed to see why Elaine married Guybrush and this shows us why.

Episode 4 did a good job in showing several things.

1) A lot of Elaine's attitude was due to the pox.
2) Morgan felt guilty but not that guilty.
3) Elaine is in love with Guybrush

Chapter 4 gave Elaine what she needed. The pox seems to amplify negative traits. So the jealous flip-out and the anger at the abandonments.

The pain in her voice also helped after Guybrush's execution. And more importantly, looking to Guybrush for comfort when cured.

[Leak]

They're a married couple and been that way for like 10 years now...
I believe the word you're looking for is "affair" followed by "divorce".

(Before you ask - yes, that's exactly what happened in my family... :()

np: Easy Star All-Stars - Exit Music (For A Dub) (Radiodread)

[upperchuck]

I believe the word you're looking for is "affair" followed by "divorce".

(Before you ask - yes, that's exactly what happened in my family... :()

np: Easy Star All-Stars - Exit Music (For A Dub) (Radiodread)

Mine too, it doesn't belong in a adventure/ family comedy game...:rolleyes:

[Irishmile]

I think 40% of modern marriages end in "affair" followed by "divorce"

The human race has gotten way too selfish.

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

This thread is honest to God disgusting. They're a married couple and been that way for like 10 years now... I think some people are being very immature here and not very realistic. This game isn't called Pimp Sugar Daddy of the Caribbean...

I totally agree with you, that this affair/divorce kind of stuff doesn't belong into this sort of games. But your argumentation for itself lacks any reason.
When a relationship doesn't work anymore (of course after several attempts to "save" it), it's better to let go. (BUT that's not the case with Guybrush and Elaine in my opinion!)
So the "they are married for ten years and so they have to stay this way"-attitude is in a way more immature and unrealistic in my point of view.

[Rather Dashing]

I think 40% of modern marriages end in "affair" followed by "divorce"

The human race has gotten way too selfish.
Actually? Just more honest. In the past, there were affairs, but the couple would stay together for appearances or because if they didn't then they would be shunned. It was a matter of cultural repression. The human race has always been just about as shallow, and the past is nothing to be too romantic about.

[Gryffalio]

I think 40% of modern marriages end in "affair" followed by "divorce"

The human race has gotten way too selfish.

Nah! It's just that it's stopped thinking that if it does selfish stuff it'll end up being poked in private areas by demons with tridents and hacksaws for all eternity.

If you don't scare a kid he'll do whatever he wants. Exactly the same on the macro-scale :)

[LowMoralFiber]

Actually, there's a post by Jake in the Guybrush's age topic where he said that his read on the "ten years of plunder" line was that it had been ten years since they met in Secret, not ten years since they've been married. I'm guessing it's more like five or six years, not that that changes very much.

Really, I blame Escape for people wanting to see Guybrush and Elaine broken up. That game pretty much assassinated her character by portraying her as an abusive and condescending b-word...

[Gryffalio]

Really, I blame Escape for people wanting to see Guybrush and Elaine broken up. That game pretty much assassinated her character by portraying her as an abusive and condescending b-word...

I didn't think she was that bad in EfMI...

[Woodsyblue]

I didn't think she was that bad in EfMI...

She's pretty bad. They portrayed her as conceited and self-obsessed, though still capable. That whole bit at the start when they are about to arrive at Melee Island both her and Guybrush are acting really selfish and unlikable. That was one of the EMI criticisms that got washed away and semi-forgotten by the sea of giant monkey robots, frustrating and unfun substitutes for insult sword fighting, and illogical contradictory plot twists involving certain hermits.

[Miaharpy]

Sure Morgan is cute and all, but think about it... Future Monkey Island games wouldn't really be one if they get rid of Elaine. She's been there ever since the 1st game. They just add Morgan for a love triangle effect and guess what we are doing now.... We are actually discussing who Guybrush should be with, lol.

Elaine is most likely going to stay with Guybrush.

[GuruGuru214]

She's pretty bad. They portrayed her as conceited and self-obsessed, though still capable. That whole bit at the start when they are about to arrive at Melee Island both her and Guybrush are acting really selfish and unlikable. That was one of the EMI criticisms that got washed away and semi-forgotten by the sea of giant monkey robots, frustrating and unfun substitutes for insult sword fighting, and illogical contradictory plot twists involving certain hermits.

You're spoiler tagging for a nine year old game. wtf?

Speaking of spoilers, who wants some confirmation that Guybrush and Elaine are staying together? Be warned, these Nintendo Power interview scans include other chapter 5 spoilers.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-1-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-2-1.jpg

Yes, I know the spoiler tags don't change the link text to white, so if you didn't view the spoiler, don't click the links.

While I do agree that I couldn't see Guybrush and Elaine splitting, I really do like Morgan a lot, and I'd really hate to see her finish the game empty-handed. Maybe she should look up Guybrush Q. Theepwood? You know, assuming he hasn't already hooked up with Elayne.

[Gryffalio]

She's pretty bad. They portrayed her as conceited and self-obsessed, though still capable. That whole bit at the start when they are about to arrive at Melee Island both her and Guybrush are acting really selfish and unlikable. That was one of the EMI criticisms that got washed away and semi-forgotten by the sea of giant monkey robots, frustrating and unfun substitutes for insult sword fighting, and illogical contradictory plot twists involving certain hermits.

As a guy who grew up in a large conceited Catholic family (well you've got to be with so many people vying for affection & attention), I didn't mind that so much. Y'know, although I am far from being a defender of EfMI, some of these terrible plot-twists were talked about when the untarnishable Ron Gilbert was still the head-Pirate.


By far the worst thing for me was that Guybrush's expressions were stupid. I explained it all away in my head that he'd gotten into a fight with a botoxer on Lovely Island during his honeymoon... But now i'm getting off-topic.

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

Maybe she should look up Guybrush Q. Theepwood? You know, assuming he hasn't already hooked up with Elayne.

Haha! I liked that one.

[Woodsyblue]

You're spoiler tagging for a nine year old game. wtf?

Wow! Way to be unnecessarily judgmental! There are still plenty of people on these forums who haven't played EMI and might have renewed interest in the title now that Monkey Island is back. I figured that putting spoiler tags wasn't exactly going to hurt anyone who had played the game and there might a few people out there that don't want to know this information. That sounds suspiciously like the actual purpose of spoiler tags.

I apologize to all the people who have been offended by me adding spoiler tags and I hope that one day you will find room in your heart to forgive me and this terrible crime that I have committed :rolleyes:

[GuruGuru214]

Wow! Way to be unnecessarily judgmental! There are still plenty of people on these forums who haven't played EMI and might have renewed interest in the title now that Monkey Island is back. I figured that putting spoiler tags wasn't exactly going to hurt anyone who had played the game and there might a few people out there that don't want to know this information. That sounds suspiciously like the actual purpose of spoiler tags.

I apologize to all the people who have been offended by me adding spoiler tags and I hope that one day you will find room in your heart to forgive me and this terrible crime that I have committed :rolleyes:

Jeez, I was only teasing. That's one thing I hate about the internet, it's so much harder to detect sarcasm. I apologize for my poor taste in humor, and while I totally understand your concern with new fans of the series, I fear that your attempts are for naught with all the other people here throwing around MI4 spoilers like crazy, though perhaps you can set an example.

[hellary]

Just finished Chapter Four. I still vote Morgan.

Cudos to Tell Tale. When Morgan was stabbed by DeSinge I felt outraged. The subtle tone change in Guybrush's voice in the room after that also conveyed very well how depressed he felt about it. I ended up staying up for a couple of hours extra after that so as to try to find out if there'd be a way to save Morgan. Maybe Chapter 5 will have Guybrush and Morgan working together in the underworld? I still don't like Elaine and I really wanted her to go off with LeChuck.

[upperchuck]

Just finished Chapter Four. I still vote Morgan.

Cudos to Tell Tale. When Morgan was stabbed by DeSinge I felt outraged. The subtle tone change in Guybrush's voice in the room after that also conveyed very well how depressed he felt about it. I ended up staying up for a couple of hours extra after that so as to try to find out if there'd be a way to save Morgan. Maybe Chapter 5 will have Guybrush and Morgan working together in the underworld? I still don't like Elaine and I really wanted her to go off with LeChuck.

I think that's because she is a child...and he felt bad about it?? People in here don't seem to use their brains and hearts to think...everything has to be sexual or a sign of romantic interest when anyone shows any affection...:rolleyes:

I think the ending of chapter 4 , Guybrush's and Elaine's finale scene in that episode tells everything we need to know about their love for one another.

[PecanBlue]

In the case of this poll, I don't see how it matters what gender we are, but okay. :\

I voted Elaine because she and Guybrush have always been funny together and entertaining to watch. I don't feel the same with Morgan, and I don't find her as endearing. Guybrush and Elaine are total opposites but the chemistry is just there. Attractions can't really be explained, they just exist.

I also don't understand the people who mention Elaine doesn't respect him as a pirate. What was that whole "you don't spend several years at the side of Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate, without picking up a few tricks" about, then?

[Lup]

i think most people prefer morgan because elaine is presented not as good as in earlier parts of MI. I mean lets take MI3 as an example: Elaine is full of spirits and you just have to like her.
As I experienced Elaine in ToMI til now she is more like that girlfriend you have since 5 years and she's only gettin on your nervs and you asked yourself what you actually like on her...

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

In the case of this poll, I don't see how it matters what gender we are, but okay. :\

I think the present result makes it quite obvious. If I had to guess how different genders would vote I would anticipate the same pattern we see right now. Women like faithful relationships, men are more likely attracted by the "hot and young adventure" :rolleyes: ... While I'm glad that the men are far less agreed about that.

In my opinion women understand the subtlety and quiet consensus between Guybrush and Elaine way better, which is clearly there, I think.

Like I already stated in this poll: I can't quite follow why you seriously vote for Morgan. Not only because of the strong relationship between Elaine and Guybrush (which survived everything that happened by now), but also because of the (in my opinion) boring outlooks of a relationship between Morgan and Guybrush after, let's say, two month. <yaaaawn> "Yeah, it was nice, but, you know... yeah."

Long story short: I like the gender differentiation and find it rather interesting than unnecessary.

[BeeKay84]

People in here don't seem to use their brains and hearts to think...everything has to be sexual or a sign of romantic interest when anyone shows any affection...:rolleyes:

I think the ending of chapter 4 , Guybrush's and Elaine's finale scene in that episode tells everything we need to know about their love for one another.
I voted Elaine because she and Guybrush have always been funny together and entertaining to watch. I don't feel the same with Morgan, and I don't find her as endearing. Guybrush and Elaine are total opposites but the chemistry is just there. Attractions can't really be explained, they just exist.

I also don't understand the people who mention Elaine doesn't respect him as a pirate. What was that whole "you don't spend several years at the side of Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate, without picking up a few tricks" about, then?
I couldn't agree more with both of you. Chapter Four made it clear that Guybrush and Elaine love each other and none else. Guybrush was oblivious to Morgan's approaches, and in the end he only saw her betrayal, but when he saw her dying in De Singe's lab, he probably felt guilty because Morgan was trying to get his hand back. And Elaine told LeChuck to go to hell (no wonder, he just killed her husband!). I rest my case.

And GuruGuru214's spoilers really make me look forward to Chapter Five! ;)

[nitsujsedohr]

I think that's because she is a child...and he felt bad about it?? People in here don't seem to use their brains and hearts to think...everything has to be sexual or a sign of romantic interest when anyone shows any affection...:rolleyes:

I think the ending of chapter 4 , Guybrush's and Elaine's finale scene in that episode tells everything we need to know about their love for one another.

Sorry, I tend to think more with my genitals than anything that really matters. I know what you mean though, Guybrush was sad because he just lost his BIGGEST fan. Guybrush may have disagreed with her choices, but she didn't have to die for them.

[GuruGuru214]

i think most people prefer morgan because elaine is presented not as good as in earlier parts of MI. I mean lets take MI3 as an example: Elaine is full of spirits and you just have to like her.
As I experienced Elaine in ToMI til now she is more like that girlfriend you have since 5 years and she's only gettin on your nervs and you asked yourself what you actually like on her...

This, though I think that in part it's because the pox made her far less agreeable than she normally would've been. She was just as great as before in the final cutscene, after she was cured of the pox.

I think the other advantage Morgan has is sympathy. We see through chapters 3 and 4 that she's not as happy with her profession and lifestyle as she originally made it seem. I know that at least in my case, it's not so much that I want Guybrush to get Morgan as it is that I just don't want to see Morgan end up alone.

I did vote for Elaine, though.

[Gryffalio]

I think the present result makes it quite obvious. If I had to guess how different genders would vote I would anticipate the same pattern we see right now. Women like faithful relationships, men are more likely attracted by the "hot and young adventure" :rolleyes: ... While I'm glad that the men are far less agreed about that.

In my opinion women understand the subtlety and quiet consensus between Guybrush and Elaine way better, which is clearly there, I think.

Like I already stated in this poll: I can't quite follow why you seriously vote for Morgan. Not only because of the strong relationship between Elaine and Guybrush (which survived everything that happened by now), but also because of the (in my opinion) boring outlooks of a relationship between Morgan and Guybrush after, let's say, two month. <yaaaawn> "Yeah, it was nice, but, you know... yeah."

Long story short: I like the gender differentiation and find it rather interesting than unnecessary.



I voted that Guybrush should get with Morgan, but only to pep up the dynamic further (though i'm not sure it's right for MI). If I were Guybrush i'd stay with Elaine for exactly the reasons you state! Elaine's relationship with Guybrush is made for longevity; within five years Morgan will get bored with her hero and will be gallivanting off through the Caribbean, leaving a bitter 30-something Guybrush. :)

And looking at the post that's popped up above mine, this seems to be the difference in men's opinions. Some see the sensitive side of Morgan, some see the sexy side, some don't like Elaine, some don't like Morgan, and some still see the reason why Elaine was the "Morgan" in the older games.
The sexy-side seems to be a heavy factor, and one which doesn't play with the majority of women, so it does give more fair results.

[GBTW]

Guybrush with Elaine.

Me with Morgan.

:p

I hope she's still alive.

[Gryffalio]

Guybrush with Elaine.

Me with Morgan.

:p

I hope she's still alive.

Necrophilia, dude: not good!

[Novotnus]

I hope she's still alive.

You must check... the hard way.

[upperchuck]

You must check... the hard way.

... :eek:

I never knew that fans of the franchise were like this...:o

[Lup]

it's not so much that I want Guybrush to get Morgan as it is that I just don't want to see Morgan end up alone.


exactly!

[Tim]

... :eek:

I never knew that fans of the franchise were like this...:o

To hop between threads.. that was indeed disturbing. I sincerely hope the hard way is by stabbing her once more to ensure she's utterly dead.. :rolleyes:


it's not so much that I want Guybrush to get Morgan as it is that I just don't want to see Morgan end up alone.


And that exactly! It was a saddening moment to see her sobbing away in Club 41, while Guybrush could only rant on about the betrayal, even though she was clearly unhappy

[Rather Dashing]

Guybrush:

-Lost a hand
-Got mocked his every action, because he wasn't being "mighty" or "piratey" enough
-Built trust, and then was betrayed.
-By being knocked out.
-And having his ship stolen.
-And being kidnapped.
-To be delivered to a man that she believed would kill him.
-For money.

Morgan:

-Got lots of money
-Feels sad
-But not QUITE sad enough to help Guybrush at all during his trial.

No, there is no gender bias in our reactions to people's situations at all. =P

[GuruGuru214]

Guybrush:

-Lost a hand
-Got mocked his every action, because he wasn't being "mighty" or "piratey" enough
-Built trust, and then was betrayed.
-By being knocked out.
-And having his ship stolen.
-And being kidnapped.
-To be delivered to a man that she believed would kill him.
-For money.

Morgan:

-Got lots of money
-Feels sad
-But not QUITE sad enough to help Guybrush at all during his trial.

No, there is no gender bias in our reactions to people's situations at all. =P

Guybrush got screwed over more or less just as bad as he does in every other adventure (how many times has his crew mutinied?). Morgan sees that a very large portion of his misfortune this time around is her fault, but in order to stick to the standards of her profession, she can't do a thing about it. The majority of Morgan's story in this chapter was a slow realization that she wasn't willing to accept the cost of the way she was living her life, and when she finally worked up the nerve to change (in essence, admitting that everything she knew was wrong), she paid the ultimate price for it.

Up until this point, Guybrush's story was basically the same "well how the heck is he gonna get out of this one?" it always is, albeit with a bit of a twist from the betrayal aspect of it. Plus Guybrush (for the most part) takes his misfortunes in stride better than Morgan does, possibly because this is pretty much how his life always is. Smile and the world smiles with you and all that.

But really, you can spin it whatever way you want to depict either character as having the sadder story.

[Hayden]

I really like Morgan and I think she's definitely one of the best and most interesting MI characters ever. But Guybrush should not ditch Elaine for her! Elaine is perfect wife for Guybrush because she is caring, clever, responsible and not reckless - Guybrush needs someone like her. Because I don't want Morgan to disappear forever, I think she should just be a crew member.

[Jazzy]

I think the present result makes it quite obvious. If I had to guess how different genders would vote I would anticipate the same pattern we see right now. Women like faithful relationships, men are more likely attracted by the "hot and young adventure" :rolleyes: ... While I'm glad that the men are far less agreed about that.

I have to disagree that that's the only reason. Sure there are probably some who are, but I think alot of the men also felt that Elaine was not a good fit and seemed to just be pushing Guybrush around while the women were just seeing him being a 'good husband', aka 'doing what he's told', as despite what many of them say women do love to be in command. *Me awaits the onslaught for that* Both men and women like to be the centre of attention from their significant others, Guybrush gave attention to Elaine which is why women like him so, while men disliked Elaine because of how it appeared that she didn't give him attention.

As for actual voting, I'm not gonna vote at all, since I'm more inclined to go with the story and see what happens, I have no personal investment beyond what makes the story good and fits, and so far I haven't seen anything yet to swing me one way or the other. I'll admit that Morgan did have more sympathy from me at first, but alot of that was because she had significantly more screentime so we got to know her better whereas Elaine had been shown to be a bit more 1 dimensional and self-absorbed, however in ep4 this shifted when Elaine bashed down the doors and charged in like a demented pirate queen. She suddenly had alot of character development for me, and while she seemed to view Guybrush as a possession rather than a person (yeah pox blah blah blah) I actually liked that, gave her a more piratey feeling, but then again maybe I'm just strange. ;)

[Woodsyblue]

Jeez, I was only teasing. That's one thing I hate about the internet, it's so much harder to detect sarcasm. I apologize for my poor taste in humor, and while I totally understand your concern with new fans of the series, I fear that your attempts are for naught with all the other people here throwing around MI4 spoilers like crazy, though perhaps you can set an example.

Wow, that was intended to be sarcasm :eek: No offense but I think you need to work on your sarcasm :p I know people go spilling those facts all over the place and personally I don't like it, that's why I use spoiler tags maybe more often that would be normal. It probably doesn't make any difference in the grand scheme of things but it helps me sleep at night :)

[GuruGuru214]

Wow, that was intended to be sarcasm :eek: No offense but I think you need to work on your sarcasm :p I know people go spilling those facts all over the place and personally I don't like it, that's why I use spoiler tags maybe more often that would be normal. It probably doesn't make any difference in the grand scheme of things but it helps me sleep at night :)

Well, hey, look on the bright side of our misunderstanding, it got a little bit of discussion going about it, which raises a little more awareness about what you're doing and why you're doing it.

[Woodsyblue]

Well, hey, look on the bright side of our misunderstanding, it got a little bit of discussion going about it, which raises a little more awareness about what you're doing and why you're doing it.

Maybe I should start a charity to seek awareness :D Spoiler Tags United! We help those who have been traumatized by reading spoilerrific information in internet forums not marked in proper spoiler tags. Please, give generously, and remember: Bruce Willis was dead the whole time. Whoops, my bad :o

[GuruGuru214]

Maybe I should start a charity to seek awareness :D Spoiler Tags United! We help those who have been traumatized by reading spoilerrific information in internet forums not marked in proper spoiler tags. Please, give generously, and remember: Bruce Willis was dead the whole time. Whoops, my bad :o

Somehow, I feel like the wrong person to discuss this with you, given how I've been posting those spoilerific Nintendo Power scans all over these forums. Though I suppose I do give fair warning that they spoil bits of chapter 5...

[Tacobob]

On a side note, the actress (Nicki Rapp) who does the voice of Morgan has a blog. Hmmm, she also did the voices of characters in the Sims series of games.

http://nickirapp.blogspot.com/

[Sir Jonathan VanBradford]

I have to disagree that that's the only reason. Sure there are probably some who are, but I think alot of the men also felt that Elaine was not a good fit and seemed to just be pushing Guybrush around while the women were just seeing him being a 'good husband', aka 'doing what he's told', as despite what many of them say women do love to be in command. *Me awaits the onslaught for that* Both men and women like to be the centre of attention from their significant others, Guybrush gave attention to Elaine which is why women like him so, while men disliked Elaine because of how it appeared that she didn't give him attention.

As for actual voting, I'm not gonna vote at all, since I'm more inclined to go with the story and see what happens, I have no personal investment beyond what makes the story good and fits, and so far I haven't seen anything yet to swing me one way or the other. I'll admit that Morgan did have more sympathy from me at first, but alot of that was because she had significantly more screentime so we got to know her better whereas Elaine had been shown to be a bit more 1 dimensional and self-absorbed, however in ep4 this shifted when Elaine bashed down the doors and charged in like a demented pirate queen. She suddenly had alot of character development for me, and while she seemed to view Guybrush as a possession rather than a person (yeah pox blah blah blah) I actually liked that, gave her a more piratey feeling, but then again maybe I'm just strange. ;)

Oh, I didn't want to imply this "hot young adventure" was the only reason for the present voting result. Of course it isn't. But certainly many of whom are attracted by these characteristics of Morgan aren't aware of that. I just think that many men voting for Morgan have a little crush on her, because she is so cute and exciting and pitiable in the fourth episode and of course - in general seems like an adorable person, you would like to make happy.

And it's beyond all question, that your decision depends on the picture you have of Elaine. For my part I never disliked her like many others seem to do. Actually not at all, I love her character. As well as the kind of relationship Guybrush has with her... But I'm going replay right now. I think I already wrote all that in a prior post (or two).

And about this "being in command"-stuff: If I take a look at the gender ratio in this forum you're pretty much out of danger. ;)
By the way, I never thought Elaine was in command of Guybrush. Nor the other way around.

Like you I am going to see what happens. But that doesn't change the fact, that everybody has a tendency in which way he/she would like it to see. I can hardly imagine anybody wouldn't care.

And I just want to make that point again: I'm not judging anyone for wanting Morgan to be with Guybrush. I just wouldn't like it and am trying to explain why.

Soooo... In the end we should just enjoy whatever the outcome is. I don't think anybody will be seriously disappointed. At least I hope so.

[Jazzy]

Oh, I didn't want to imply this "hot young adventure" was the only reason for the present voting result. Of course it isn't. But certainly many of whom are attracted by these characteristics of Morgan aren't aware of that. I just think that many men voting for Morgan have a little crush on her, because she is so cute and exciting and pitiable in the fourth episode and of course - in general seems like an adorable person, you would like to make happy.

And it's beyond all question, that your decision depends on the picture you have of Elaine. For my part I never disliked her like many others seem to do. Actually not at all, I love her character. As well as the kind of relationship Guybrush has with her... But I'm going replay right now. I think I already wrote all that in a prior post (or two).

And about this "being in command"-stuff: If I take a look at the gender ratio in this forum you're pretty much out of danger. ;)
By the way, I never thought Elaine was in command of Guybrush. Nor the other way around.

Like you I am going to see what happens. But that doesn't change the fact, that everybody has a tendency in which way he/she would like it to see. I can hardly imagine anybody wouldn't care.

And I just want to make that point again: I'm not judging anyone for wanting Morgan to be with Guybrush. I just wouldn't like it and am trying to explain why.

Soooo... In the end we should just enjoy whatever the outcome is. I don't think anybody will be seriously disappointed. At least I hope so.

I think we'll have to agree to...agree! :D Just thought I'd point out the other reasons, and some people apparently like dominant women anyway, so that's not necessarily a bad thing...

As to the ratio of men to women, as long as there is at least one woman who might get offended, you're never safe! :eek:

[Giant Tope]

I didn't know that I was in the minority before I started getting into the forums. I always personally thought that Elaine and Guybrush were the cutest couple in all of gaming. They're both very flawed individuals, yet its still evident that they are absolutely in love with each other. Although they work well independently, they are still part of each other and it seems that that'll never change. She's the sweet one and he's the charming one. They're perfect for each other.

I'm not going to go out and say that Morgan's a terrible person, as she's definitely regretful for the things she's done, she's just not the right person for Guybrush. She's pretty young and I see her as more having a crush on her idol, which isn't that all that farfetched.

And to put it out there, I'm not really partial to either of the lasses. I just think that it's pretty obvious that Guybrush works well with Elaine and vise-versa.

[GBTW]

Necrophilia, dude: not good!

I would have saved her before the end of chapter 4 if I could :p:p:p:p:p

In my hopes she's not dead anyway ;)

[Erfa]

While I love the chemistry between Guybrush and Morgan, Guybrush should definitely go for Elaine in the end.

Too bad Morgan is fictional (and a cartoon), otherwise, she could have been with me. ^_^

[rugby]

I love both characters. Both are strong-willed, kickass and beautiful ladies. But Guybrush and Elaine have been an item since the beginning. I just can't see how a relationship that started with a romantic idol-thievery incident could end in a split over another woman. :D Besides, Elaine is smarter and more level-headed, Morgan is more emotionally-driven and unstable even though she pretends to be cold and calculating.

And Guybrush is just sickeningly smitten with his wife, following her around like a puppy-dog. It's hard to imagine he'd leave her.

I'm a girl, by the way, and I voted for Elaine. :)

[Pantagruel's Friend]

I have no idea how anyone can be vouching for a Morgan/Guybrush relationship after the final scene of Episode 4 unless they're completely callous and misogynistic.

Why? It makes sense - they're both dead...
Sorry, I know it's bad taste, but I couldn't let this by :)

[Gryffalio]

Why? It makes sense - they're both dead...
Sorry, I know it's bad taste, but I couldn't let this by :)

necrophilia is okay, so long as you're dead too! :p

[techie775]

I still vote for Elaine and Guybrush to be a couple. Morgan seemed conflicted and had trouble figuring out what she wanted. Elaine's only excuse was the pox but otherwise I don't think she would ever stab Guybrush in the back and risk him dying like Morgan did. I'd enjoy it if Morgan got a happy ending cause she seems like a complex and interesting character. I was hoping Morgan would fix some of her betrayal during the trial. I just hope they don't turn Morgan into LeChuck's undead bride or minion to end this "love fight" or whatever you want to call it.

[GuruGuru214]

Besides, Elaine is smarter and more level-headed, Morgan is more emotionally-driven and unstable even though she pretends to be cold and calculating.

You're saying Elaine is more level-headed after seeing what she did in this chapter? :p

Seriously though, now that she's cured of the pox, I have to say you're right. But before that happened...yeesh.

[rugby]

You're saying Elaine is more level-headed after seeing what she did in this chapter? :p

Seriously though, now that she's cured of the pox, I have to say you're right. But before that happened...yeesh.

Oh, sorry, I should have specified "pox-free" Elaine. :D

[Pantagruel's Friend]

necrophilia is okay, so long as you're dead too! :p

Thank you. Now I'll sleep well :D

[wavefunction]

Winslow

[GuruGuru214]

So I'm running the series again, and here's where I am right now.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/OtherFish.png

I have to admit, when I saw that last line again, I thought "Morgan". That said, I still think he and Elaine make the better couple, despite this rough spot. But hey, what if, right?

And speaking of Morgan...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/chest.png

[Gryffalio]

Yeah. I liked Elaine in MI1/2. People complain how EfMI ruined her character, but when you consider she was always pushy and self-contained in the first two games EfMI was actually more true to her character (in a way) than the others.

That said, Elaine's character has changed from CoMI onwards and now (given what's happened in the meantime) it's unlikely Guybrush would ever think about other fish in the sea. They've probably been together for going on a decade after all!

[sepphi]

Morgan easily, for some reason it just hurts inside when he's mean to her :P She's just too adorable! Don't really like Elaine much really. Would be great to get the choice in the game somewhere, but for some reason I don't think that'll happen :P


And for the record I'm a guy :P

[mikael]

Should have a poll option for Guybrush being single.. :rolleyes:
Between Morgan and Elaine I'd say Morgan though, as Elaine has changed too much from the first Monkey Islands.

[Gryffalio]

Guybrush enters a monastery should have been in there. I reckon he'd be all for the First Church of LeChuck

[meander]

When I voted on the poll, I went for Morgan, because Elaine was seriously getting on my nerves with hanging out with LeChuck, and because Morgan is awesome.

But after episode 4... yeah. Never going to happen. But I reckon Guybrush and Morgan can be friends... maybe.

[munak991]

Morgan Morgan Morgan!

[Dea ex Machina]

I'm female, I voted Elaine, I spent three bloody games trying to get them together and I will be DARNED if I let all that effort and history get undone for a groupie I barely know!

I like Morgan, she's a Guybrush Fangirl, I'M a Guybrush Fangirl, we're cool, she's one of us. BUT. Morgan has a crush on the Famous Guybrush Threepwood, Mighty Pirate. Elaine loved him when he was just That Kid Who Washed Ashore and Tried to Burgle My House. That should count for something.

[dahoughtonuk]

That could have been the original problem. Elaine loves the kid who washed ashore. Morgan likes the Mighty Pirate.

So the first thing Telltale did was show us Elaine liked the MIghty Pirate as well.

[GuruGuru214]

What's funny to me about all this is that while we're arguing about this, even Morgan is being a realist about it. If I remember, she said from the beginning of Lair of the Leviathan that she knew Guybrush had a wife and was off the table, and even if she held out any illusions of being able to have a relationship with him, I doubt any of those remained past the point where he was totally oblivious that they were flirting.

I think through episode 4, we weren't seeing Morgan view Guybrush as a potential love interest anymore, but as someone who had only treated her as a friend (albeit a friend he didn't trust very much, and with good reason) who she let down and betrayed. I still want to see Morgan finish the game with a happy ending, but at this point I don't think she would find that happy ending with Guybrush.

[dahoughtonuk]

Hey I agree. It's the important differences that were needed.

Morgan had to knock down one of the three planks for a relationship and do it so badly it would take a long time to repair it even if she could.
Guybrush would be pretty close to Elaine obsessed, but had to still go after her with what seemed to be good reason. (After all he was getting a bit too close to LeChuck's level of obsession)
Elaine had to show she also still loved the entirety of Guybrush. Kid as well as mighty pirate. (Nice change from where we exited CoMI)

Tales 4 did everything we needed to settle things. I suspect Morgan held out some hope during Lair, more than she wanted to admit, and even a little during Trial. But deep down she knows it's Elaine for Guybrush.