Part 5: Rise of the Pirate God

[MasterofsqueezyFurballs]

Well, that's a title that basically screams for bringing another few familiar characters back into the MI world - the (vegetarian) cannibals (Lemonhead etc.).

Or what da ya think? ;)

[Kroms]

I doubt it. Too late into the story, I think.

As much as I like the old characters, I'm much more interested in seeing new ones develop their own distinct and lovable personalities. DeSinge, Morgan, Van Winslow come to mind, as to the judge, McGillicutty, Anemone, Hemlock (how he takes care of his cat, it made me coo). These are all examples of characters I would like to see more of. (Or would have, in two cases.) I like how they turned out, mind, and I'm happy Telltale are finally figuring out how to make memorable supporting characters with so little development time, and that's why I'm so looking forward to whatever they do next.

:) Remember: you loved the vegeterian cannibals because they were original.

[Maxilyah]

Wally's the Pirate God.
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[Fealiks]

Maybe, but I doubt it... I think that Morgan is gonna come and rescue Guybrush after being brought back to life by means of DeSinge's healingy stuff... I'm also pretty sure Guybrush will be the pirate god, but we'll have to wait and see.

[darknessofheart]

Well, that's a title that basically screams for bringing another few familiar characters back into the MI world - the (vegetarian) cannibals (Lemonhead etc.).

Or what da ya think? ;)

I actually just want the next chapter focused solely on Guybrush, LeChuck, Elaine, Morgan, and the voodoo lady. A few more characters are fine, but I want as much time focused on the main characters as much as possible. That's what this whole series was building up to anyway. Throwing in old characters from the other games now would seem very forced.

[MasterofsqueezyFurballs]

Maybe, but I doubt it... I think that Morgan is gonna come and rescue Guybrush after being brought back to life by means of DeSinge's healingy stuff... I'm also pretty sure Guybrush will be the pirate god, but we'll have to wait and see.Figures, they'd only have to modify his catchphrase a little: "I am Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate god!" :D

Although...based on what I just saw at the end of part 4, I have my doubts about that. :)

Still, I'm glad they left a hint that Morgan may still be alive because I really think she's a valueable addition to the series (not just because she's sexy and as sharp / dangerous as her sword but also because we haven't seen much of her as a Guybrush-fan, yet and I feel that there's still a lot to learn about her). :)

So far I'm very happy about the way TTG handles Monkey Island. Keep it that way, guys (and girls)! Oh and don't forget to feed the monkeys that provide you with the energy you need. :D

[bugzbunny90]

is guybrush be bring back frm davieeee jones locka like capn jack sparrow ..arrgh ? :S

[MasterofsqueezyFurballs]

is guybrush be bring back frm davieeee jones locka like capn jack sparrow ..arrgh ? :SWho knows...maybe he'll meet someone on the 'other side'. ;)

:) Remember: you loved the vegeterian cannibals because they were original.And especially because of this phrase: "Is that a banana in your pocket, or are you just happy to see us?" :DI actually just want the next chapter focused solely on Guybrush, LeChuck, Elaine, Morgan, and the voodoo lady. A few more characters are fine, but I want as much time focused on the main characters as much as possible. That's what this whole series was building up to anyway. Throwing in old characters from the other games now would seem very forced.Well...now that Le Chuck has become a threat (again), it's more than likely that the Voodoo Lady, LeChuck, Elaine and Guybrush will play a big role in the next part. However, I do hope, they will also keep Stan and Morgan "too-lovely-to-die" LeFay. Just because Stan is a quite an interesting character. :)

[Gryffalio]

Guybrush should never be a "Pirate God." He's just too much of an also-ran at heart... I hope it's LeChuck!

[Maxilyah]

Who knows? Maybe it's the Voodoo Lady.

[MasterofsqueezyFurballs]

Who knows? Maybe it's the Voodoo Lady.But she said that she would only play her part in much, much larger play...and that doesn't sound like a god, to me, plus if you consider that LeCuck suck up all the pox that was set free it's more likely that he is the one. ;)

[LeChuck1986]

TT wouldn't be foolish enough to make the Voodoo Lady the Pirate God.
Than it would be a ripoff of PotC3.

[TheHutt]

I hope they bring back Earl Boen as G.P. LeChuck, like in "Trial & Execution".

[Bagge]

I hope they bring back Earl Boen as G.P. LeChuck, like in "Trial & Execution".

I think it's safe to assume that Earl Boen will do the next episode as well.

[LeChuck1986]

I think it's safe to assume that Earl Boen will do the next episode as well.

Makes you wonder why he didn't reprise his role in the Chapter 1 prologue...

[floweroftheforest]

Guybrush should never be a "Pirate God." He's just too much of an also-ran at heart... I hope it's LeChuck!its more likely to be morgan

[Gibbeynator]

The pirate god would have to be someone you'd never expect in a million years...

I think it's going to be Bosco.

[Bagge]

Makes you wonder why he didn't reprise his role in the Chapter 1 prologue...

I guess he wasn't availiable at the time. Or maybe TMI has sold a lot better than TTG expected, and the budget now allows for hireing Earl Boen?

It could be any number of things, but I'm sure he was hired by telltale to record more than 2-3 lines for one single episode.

[Saken]

its more likely to be morgan

she's not a pirate to start with

[Fabula vir]

No 'Guybrush kicks two-faced pirate butt' this time folks.
Ah the memories.

[Uttar]

Guys, guys... This is all so obvious! the pirate god will be... Murray!
Come on, you know you want it :D

Also, Episode 5 will have to be insanely awesome to live up to Episode 4. Certainly my favorite of the series so far, grats Telltale! (Ep. 3 had some pretty great humour, but the plot/puzzles are just insanely good in Ep. 4 even relative to 1/2 IMO)

[Gryffalio]

TT wouldn't be foolish enough to make the Voodoo Lady the Pirate God.
Than it would be a ripoff of PotC3.
Ah, gotta love the irony :)

I think it's going to be Bosco.
Yes please! :D

[Saken]

i dont know how to put spoilers but here's my idea of what's going to happen
Guybrush isnt dead yet and he will be healed by it's own hand and/or, the same gadget that heals de singe...
Also i think that Elaine might be the pirate god, the giveaway at the end just adds a feel to it
I am wondering if morgan is comming back

[VickyL]

I always figured Guybrush would be the pirate god, right from when I first saw the episode titles on my download page.
Guybrush dies, only to rise again to save pirate-kind and oh my god Guybrush is the second coming of Jesus! Now THAT'S what I call a twist.

[Munky]

Nah..it's gonna be the Pyrite Parrot..they goofed with the title...it's actually 'Rise of the PARROT God' ;)

[Leak]

Nah..it's gonna be the Pyrite Parrot..they goofed with the title...it's actually 'Rise of the PYRITE God' ;)
Fixed that for you... :D

[bugzbunny90]

if hardtack or doro turns out to be pirate God i am kicking someone !

[feverfew]

I'd like Hardtack. He's so naive I gotta love him :P

[PirateyPenguin]

What if there is a "real" pirate god?

He/she/it? has decided that Lechucks powers has grown to strong and he needs to be stopped.
GT and Morgan strikes a deal with the Pirate Deity where they will be returned to life if they banish Lechuck....

hmm
Would it make sense to introduce a GOD this late in the story?
There has been no mention of a deity in this piratey universe as I know....

[feverfew]

That'd be literal Deus Ex Machina

[PirateyPenguin]

That'd be literal Deus Ex Machina

Yes it would, but since they are rumoured to go "the land of the dead" it is not THAT far fetched...

Besides if it works for Shakespeare and Stephen King (among others) ......

Not that I am a fan of such storytelling techniques.
I guess we'll see in a months time...

[Irishmile]

I imagine there may be a few people in the land of the undead that would like to have a word with Guybrush.

[Gryffalio]

Maybe the Pirate-God thing is like the Captain-of-the-Narwhal thing i.e. a king-of-the-hill contest. LeChuck was killed but then he defeated the Pirate God and now he's able to cheat death game after game because he's the Pirate God. And now Guybrush knows how to defeat him once and for all?

But then... that would really limit future series....

[Irishmile]

Or he has to appease the pirate god so he can go back to the land of the living.

[Secret Fawful]

You know, if Guybrush meets Morgan on the other side, who is to say he won't meet De Singe and be faced with a maddened ghost bent on revenge. Maybe we haven't seen the last of De Singe either.

[Miaharpy]

You know, if Guybrush meets Morgan on the other side, who is to say he won't meet De Singe and be faced with a maddened ghost bent on revenge. Maybe we haven't seen the last of De Singe either.

Well, I guess that is possible... Or De Singe will work for Lechuck since he wants 'immortality!!!!' well... something in the lines of that. LOL ^_^ But yeah, De Singe coming back would be interesting.

[Azubah]

Guybrush is going to team up, or get help from, Manny.

Too far?

[Irishmile]

maybe he will get help from the rest of Murray's body

[Munky]

Fixed that for you... :D

Haha ;)

[Gryffalio]

Well, I guess that is possible... Or De Singe will work for Lechuck since he wants 'immortality!!!!' well... something in the lines of that. LOL ^_^ But yeah, De Singe coming back would be interesting.


How did it go again? Liberté, égalité... immortalité?

[Secret Fawful]

EDIT: Alloute, I will live forever, alloute immortalité. Who live forever, moi, who will conquer nature, moi."

[Novotnus]

Something like "Allouette, liberete?, allouette, immortalite. Who live forever, moi, who will conquer nature, moi."

[my signature] : )

[Meems]

Well, I think we can probably rule out DeSinge as the pirate god, seeing as he got vapourised and all.

Unless they plan on ripping off Watchmen. Which I hope they don't.

I really wouldn't mind if we haven't seen the last of him, though.

[GuruGuru214]

I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-1-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-2-1.jpg

Here's my take on it. First and most obviously, Guybrush is going to team up with Morgan to escape the Land of the Undead. And it hadn't occurred to me until someone else said it, but the Marquis might make an appearance there as well, though I seriously doubt he'll be leaving with them.

As for the pirate god, the line about "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy" indicates to me that somehow LeChuck is going to become the Pirate God. Maybe.

Also, now that the pox is cured, I'm thinking that Guybrush's hand died and he'll be meeting up with it in the Land of the Undead.

[Secret Fawful]

I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-1-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-2-1.jpg

Here's my take on it. First and most obviously, Guybrush is going to team up with Morgan to escape the Land of the Undead. And it hadn't occurred to me until someone else said it, but the Marquis might make an appearance there as well, though I seriously doubt he'll be leaving with them.

As for the pirate god, the line about "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy" indicates to me that somehow LeChuck is going to become the Pirate God. Maybe.

Also, now that the pox is cured, I'm thinking that Guybrush's hand died and he'll be meeting up with it in the Land of the Undead.

Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?

[GuruGuru214]

Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?

If you look at it, the buildings are all wrong. It does look like Flotsam, but it also looks like early concept art. And yes, it does look magnificent.

Also, I just had a couple more thoughts about that article. First, it's possible that LeChuck either is the pirate god or made a deal with the pirate god in exchange for power.

Second, it's possible that while Morgan will appear in the episode, she won't be returned to life. It's possible that her "shining moment" of the episode is when she sacrifices herself and remains in the Land of the Undead in order to allow Guybrush to get out. Hopefully not, though. I really like Morgan.

[JedExodus]

It's gotta be Guybrush, he's hardly gonna stay dead, but while he is no doubt he'll be kicking ass and taking names as the pirate god

[GaryCXJk]

I have this feeling Guybrush's hand is far more important than any of us could think.

Also, my theory on the final chapter:

It starts with Guybrush standing up in a completely bright room, apparently having been lying down on the floor. He then looks around, stares at the camera, and then says:

"Hi, my name is Dominic Armato, the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. Today we're going to show you the process behind the making of Tales of Monkey Island."

Cue to a lot of people raging... in outrage.

[bobdevis]

It starts with Guybrush standing up in a completely bright room, apparently having been lying down on the floor. He then looks around, stares at the camera, and then says:

"Hi, my name is Dominic Armato, the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. Today we're going to show you the process behind the making of Tales of Monkey Island."

Unfortunately, no one can tell you how a Monkey Island game is made, you have to see it for yourself....

[Miaharpy]

So far we can see that it's mostly either 2 people Lechuck, do to all the voodoo he's absorbing... Or Guybrush do to his death and coming back alive with Morgan.. being powerful? Well, when we think about it.... at the end of chapter 4 Lechuck did absorb the voodoo, yes, but he became the same in chapter 1... And when you think of it logically, the pox came from Lechuck that is now being put back in him. So wouldn't that be about the same amount? Unless it grows when taking over a person. So it's possible that Lechuck isn't the pirate god

[Vira]

Okay, I'll roll.

My Theories:
- LeChuck's the pirate god.
- Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
- "meaningful and emotionally take on insult swordfighting" Maybe it becomes deadly in the underworld to the point where you have to insult them where it personally destroys their ego/spirit?
- The monkeys LeChuck put around the Caribbean involve his voodoo spell rise as a pirate god.
- "[Guybrush] shatters a cycle he's been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
Makes me think one of two things: LeChuck is finally destroyed for good. Maybe even the Voodoo Lady kicks the bucket. OR. My crazy pet theory about Guybrush being in a coma is actually one step closer to becoming a possibility.

If they're describing Ch.4 as "coming together" and Ch.5 as "Horrible things will happen!" then HOLY CRAP I'M PSYCHED!

[dahoughtonuk]

How about this. While Guybrush U. Threepwood did this adventure. Guybrush Q.Threepwood did the first and second. :p

[GuruGuru214]

Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.

Maybe we'll get to meet Meathook's hands and Hemlock McGee's legs?

Seriously, though, maybe Captain Marley's dead crew. Or Minnie Goodsoup and Charles DeGoulash. Perhaps Guybrush's parents? Oh, and don't forget Herman Toothrot's dead friend! That reminds me, we don't know if the vegetarian cannibals survived the eruption of Mt. Acidophilus, or if the Lost Welshman remained in the world of the living after getting lost in the mist again. Oh, and there's always the members of the Plunder Island Naturalist Society who died in the giant snake and the quicksand.

A great gag would be if Governor Phatt was there, having had a massive heart attack.

[puzzlebox]

I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-1-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/GuruGuru214/NP-Monkey-2-1.jpg

Whoa, thanks for posting that! Interesting stuff. Definitely rules out Guybrush being the pirate god.

[Zhadnost]

Maybe we'll get to meet Meathook's hands and Hemlock McGee's legs?

Or the rest of Heathook, or The foul smelling pirate or the swordmaster, thanks to an carelessly placed boulder.

[Wolfshifter]

TT wouldn't be foolish enough to make the Voodoo Lady the Pirate God.
Than it would be a ripoff of PotC3.

Which would be kind of funny, considering that Pirates of the Caribbean is a rip-off of the Monkey Island games which were inspired by the ride... In any case, I agree, that would be meh.

[GuruGuru214]

Or the rest of Heathook, or The foul smelling pirate or the swordmaster, thanks to an carelessly placed boulder.

Are you referring to sinking the Mad Monkey in the first game? Because both the ending (if you sink it, otherwise you see Herman Toothrot) and the fourth game show that all three survived that but were marooned on Monkey Island.

[OzzieMonkey]

Okay, I'll roll.

My Theories:
- LeChuck's the pirate god.
- Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
- "meaningful and emotionally take on insult swordfighting" Maybe it becomes deadly in the underworld to the point where you have to insult them where it personally destroys their ego/spirit?
- The monkeys LeChuck put around the Caribbean involve his voodoo spell rise as a pirate god.
- "[Guybrush] shatters a cycle he's been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
Makes me think one of two things: LeChuck is finally destroyed for good. Maybe even the Voodoo Lady kicks the bucket. OR. My crazy pet theory about Guybrush being in a coma is actually one step closer to becoming a possibility.

If they're describing Ch.4 as "coming together" and Ch.5 as "Horrible things will happen!" then HOLY CRAP I'M PSYCHED!

I fully agree with you about this. I also have a feeling though that this cycle Guybrush breaks might be never finding the secret of monkey island, and we'll finally find out!

[Hayden]

Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?

Hopefully a larger and interactive image can be the next treasure hunting prize! Please telltale, PLEASE!!

[Meems]

Could this breaking the cycle thing be related to LeChuck's claim that the Voodoo Lady is behind it all? I mean, LeChuck might have been lying, but she never denied it, so it's possible he was telling the truth after all.

Maybe Guybrush is finally breaking free from her control.

[GaryCXJk]

Maybe Guybrush didn't even exist!

[monkey_05_06]

TT wouldn't be foolish enough to make the Voodoo Lady the Pirate God.
Than it would be a ripoff of PotC3.

Ah, gotta love the irony :)

Which would be kind of funny, considering that Pirates of the Caribbean is a rip-off of the Monkey Island games which were inspired by the ride... In any case, I agree, that would be meh.

For the record the PotC movies are in no way a rip-off of the MI series. It might be fair to say that the one might have influenced the other. There are unique elements of MI that could reasonably be taken as having been "ripped off" by the PotC movies, but overall the movies and the MI series are drastically, dramatically different.

As Wolfshifter said the MI series was originally inspired by the PotC ride at Disney World. The movies also took their inspiration primarily from the ride. It doesn't mean they all ripped each other off. Sure they share similar themes, ideas, elements, etc. but that does not constitute the "ripping off" of something.

For example to me the movie "War of the Worlds" (2005 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407304/)) is a rip-off of the storyline (The War of the Worlds) by H.G. Wells. Those who have read the book will know what I mean. Basically Spielburg took the alien robots, modified them slightly, threw the rest of the book straight into the waste bin and said, "Look at what I can do!" I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.

So I have a clear understanding of what a ripping off is. PotC (the films) did not in any way claim to be MI:The Movie. None of the characters are in and of themselves Guybrush Threepwood. None of the characters are a clone of Elaine Marley. Barbosa closely mirrors the idea of LeChuck (physically) but what about his motives? Barbosa was driven entirely by greed. LeChuck at least originally set out to solve The Secret of Monkey Island™ as a way of winning over (then) Gov. Marley.

Just because there are similarities, just because connections can be made, and so forth, this does not mean PotC was a rip-off of MI. It never was. It's probably the closest we'll ever see to MI:The [Live-Action] Movie, but that's okay. I love PotC for what it is. Just as I love MI for what it is. And they are both quite different.

The reason the Voodoo Lady cannot be the pirate god is because she is not a pirate. If she were she would have been affected by the pox. The only pirate not affected by the pox was LeChuck and that's because it is from him that it originated. The evil mojo was expunged from his body, effectively immunizing him from the plague unleashed upon the rest of the Caribbean. It's the same reason Morgan cannot rise as the pirate god.

Not to mention the simple fact of "god" being a gender-specific noun. If the "pirate god" were a female it wouldn't be a pirate "god". It would be a pirate "goddess".

Also the interview which has already been labeled as spoiler-ific reveals this: "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy". So basically:

MI throughout the series have had very few characters actually revealed as "bad guys". LeChuck of course being the most prominent, then the Marquis De Singe, Ozzie Mandrill, Largo LeGrande, and the Voodoo Priest serving LeChuck (in LCR). Those are the only characters ever really revealed as being "bad guys" or having evil intent. The Voodoo Priest I only added coz of DC who I don't think even comes here. :P So unless TT is planning on not only introducing a brand new bad guy, but also making them the ultimate bad guy all within this next episode, it has to be one of these characters. Period.

Now I think most people (especially given the above information) are of the impression that LeChuck will rise as the pirate god. This is my impression too, though De Singe might make a come-back. Death never stopped LeChuck. :p

That's enough ranting for now. :cool:

[wefeelgroove]

Could this breaking the cycle thing be related to LeChuck's claim that the Voodoo Lady is behind it all? I mean, LeChuck might have been lying, but she never denied it, so it's possible he was telling the truth after all.

Maybe Guybrush is finally breaking free from her control.

That's what I'm thinking, too. Just the fact that she doesn't deny it is what gets to me. If LeChuck WAS lying, she was still being manipulative by making Guybrush think he was telling the truth. She's always the one who points Guybrush in the direction he needs to go, and after the main trio she's probably the most prominent character/part of the plot in the entire series.

[Gryffalio]

For the record the PotC movies are in no way a rip-off of the MI series. It might be fair to say that the one might have influenced the other. There are unique elements of MI that could reasonably be taken as having been "ripped off" by the PotC movies, but overall the movies and the MI series are drastically, dramatically different.

As Wolfshifter said the MI series was originally inspired by the PotC ride at Disney World. The movies also took their inspiration primarily from the ride. It doesn't mean they all ripped each other off. Sure they share similar themes, ideas, elements, etc. but that does not constitute the "ripping off" of something.

For example to me the movie "War of the Worlds" (2005 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407304/)) is a rip-off of the storyline (The War of the Worlds) by H.G. Wells. Those who have read the book will know what I mean. Basically Spielburg took the alien robots, modified them slightly, threw the rest of the book straight into the waste bin and said, "Look at what I can do!" I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.

So I have a clear understanding of what a ripping off is. PotC (the films) did not in any way claim to be MI:The Movie. None of the characters are in and of themselves Guybrush Threepwood. None of the characters are a clone of Elaine Marley. Barbosa closely mirrors the idea of LeChuck (physically) but what about his motives? Barbosa was driven entirely by greed. LeChuck at least originally set out to solve The Secret of Monkey Island™ as a way of winning over (then) Gov. Marley.

Just because there are similarities, just because connections can be made, and so forth, this does not mean PotC was a rip-off of MI. It never was. It's probably the closest we'll ever see to MI:The [Live-Action] Movie, but that's okay. I love PotC for what it is. Just as I love MI for what it is. And they are both quite different.

The reason the Voodoo Lady cannot be the pirate god is because she is not a pirate. If she were she would have been affected by the pox. The only pirate not affected by the pox was LeChuck and that's because it is from him that it originated. The evil mojo was expunged from his body, effectively immunizing him from the plague unleashed upon the rest of the Caribbean. It's the same reason Morgan cannot rise as the pirate god.

Not to mention the simple fact of "god" being a gender-specific noun. If the "pirate god" were a female it wouldn't be a pirate "god". It would be a pirate "goddess".

Also the interview which has already been labeled as spoiler-ific reveals this: "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy". So basically:

MI throughout the series have had very few characters actually revealed as "bad guys". LeChuck of course being the most prominent, then the Marquis De Singe, Ozzie Mandrill, Largo LeGrande, and the Voodoo Priest serving LeChuck (in LCR). Those are the only characters ever really revealed as being "bad guys" or having evil intent. The Voodoo Priest I only added coz of DC who I don't think even comes here. :P So unless TT is planning on not only introducing a brand new bad guy, but also making them the ultimate bad guy all within this next episode, it has to be one of these characters. Period.

Now I think most people (especially given the above information) are of the impression that LeChuck will rise as the pirate god. This is my impression too, though De Singe might make a come-back. Death never stopped LeChuck. :p

That's enough ranting for now. :cool:

It depends what you call a rip-off. PotC used some writers etc. who were working on the doomed MI cartoon, and by the sounds of a few interviews some of the story in PotC is taken pretty much straight from that project.
I'm not saying PotC is bad, or a clone of MI.

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

I think these are the most interesting quotes, especially the second one.

"How will Guybrush get back and defeat the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy?"

"In episode five you'll see how Guybrush climbs his way out of the worst situation he has ever been put in and manages to shatter a cycle that he has been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything you think you know about Monkey Island."

"And we did set up one very cool ending...when we sat down with [original Secret of Monkey Island creator] Ron Gilbert. People will be very happy with how that comes across. It will cement Elaine and Guybrush as the power couple of the Caribbean."

Regarding the first quote:

If Guybrush has to "get back" to defeat someone who's become an "ultimate, ultimate bad guy," then seems logical to me that Guybrush will spend most of chapter five trying to get back from the "Land of the Dead" to defeat the re-demonized LeChuck.

About the second quote:

There are only three cycles that Guybrush has been on since the very first Monkey Island game: (1) Defeating LeChuck and (2) saving Elaine, and (3) receiving quests from the Voodoo Lady. If one of these cycles is about to shatter, then it will likely be receiving quests from the Voodoo Lady.

And finally, the third quote:

I have no idea what this means. Guybrush and Elaine are already married, so how can you cement them as "the power couple of the caribbean?"

[Jazzy]

I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.



Considering that he only managed to write the very first draft of the initial script before dying from a heart attack, and considering how many changes a script can go from one stage to the next (as in, it can be completely rewritten), I'm guessing he didn't have as much influence on the film as they may claim. The studio executives probably drove him to heart attack with all the changes they wanted, and then took his death as an oppurtunity to do so, but that's just theorycrafting on my part.

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread, carry on. :D

[Matrinka]

On a side note... there isn't a voodoo lady on the PotC ride. So, there isn't a swampy voodoo shack out on stilts in the swamp. Nor is there a coffin-boat. Or fruit-loving cannibals. While the ride is fun, it isn't exactly funny. Just sayin'.

Anyway... I for one hope that the monkeys and Elaine keep all the root-beer away from LeChuck in episode 5.

[GaryCXJk]

I just realized something.

The very last episode cannot take place in the afterlife for a long time. Most of the game probably has to be spent alive.

Unless...

Guybrush has the chance to do everything right from the start, he gets sent back in time to do it all right, by not showboating in the first place. This however does have the strange side-effect of Morgan LeFlay not meeting her biggest idol. Also, there were some other small things that need to be resolved in the last game in the land of the living.

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

I just realized something.

The very last episode cannot take place in the afterlife for a long time. Most of the game probably has to be spent alive.



Huh? Why not? I think the majority of it will be spent in the Land of the Dead. I mean, you're right, there has to be some resolution in the "land of the living, but I think this will come at the very end of chapter five.

[GaryCXJk]

There are too many open plot points for that.

First of all, the return of LeChuck. It can't be all that easy to find something in the afterlife that could kill LeChuck. It is quite possible he goes trough some land of the living to even find the ingredients for it. There has to be some conflict to even get the means to kill LeChuck. Second, the purpose of all the things done by the antagonist. Aside from dealing with LeChuck, Guybrush also has to take care of the monkeys. There is a huge possibility LeChuck has rigged them monkeys with something bad, and Guybrush can't outright kill them. Finally, I'm going to bed to think up the final point I wanted to make.

[techie775]

well I'm really hoping they include Morgan in chapter 5 seeing how she's played a big part in the last three chapters. Despite hating her at the end of chapter 3, I could see how she was fighting her demons in Chapter 4 and felt terrible for what she had done. And when she tried to help Guybrush by getting his hand back, she ends up dying for it. I don't expect her to end up with Guybrush romantically but she could at least come back and be his friend or ally. And yes I'm still wondering how true LeChuck's journal about the voodoo lady was.

[Maxilyah]

Maybe you have to switch between Guybrush and Elaine. It might not be a willing thing, though. One moment, you could be battling LeChuck, and the next it's a "meanwhile, this is happening" and all of a sudden, you're Guybrush again.
Or at least it'll give us a few cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine fighting.
I really like the idea of the "Land of the Dead". Just as long as it's less like "What's New Beelzebub?" and more like the monkey-head cave in SoMI.
I think Morgan will play a big role in this episode. But if her body was gone, it makes me wonder if you'll actually see her in the Land of the Dead, or if she's actually still alive. It'd be quite a twist if she hasn't died and has to team up with Elaine.

[rugby]

i don't know if this belongs here but i just noticed that the name of the "pirate god" mentioned by the voodoo lady is NOR TREBLIG. ron gilbert spelled backwards. heh. mind-blowing. maybe ron gilbert is the pirate god in the 5th episode?

[GuruGuru214]

Maybe you have to switch between Guybrush and Elaine. It might not be a willing thing, though. One moment, you could be battling LeChuck, and the next it's a "meanwhile, this is happening" and all of a sudden, you're Guybrush again.
Or at least it'll give us a few cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine fighting.
I really like the idea of the "Land of the Dead". Just as long as it's less like "What's New Beelzebub?" and more like the monkey-head cave in SoMI.
I think Morgan will play a big role in this episode. But if her body was gone, it makes me wonder if you'll actually see her in the Land of the Dead, or if she's actually still alive. It'd be quite a twist if she hasn't died and has to team up with Elaine.

From what I understand, the Land of the Undead is supposed to have a pretty good voodoo theme to it. At least, that's the impression the interview gave me. Too bad that means a Manny Calavera cameo would feel terribly out of place there, but on the other hand, that would've felt out of place to me anyway.

Also, TTG, there had better be mushrooms there.

[bobhobbit]

I really hope that Telltale's definition of HORRIBLE THINGS doesn't include a giant robotic monkey head...

[GuruGuru214]

I really hope that Telltale's definition of HORRIBLE THINGS doesn't include a giant robotic monkey head...

I think we all define that as HORRIBLE THINGS, but I think he meant HORRIBLE in a different sense.

[dthoupis]

Ron Gilbert said many times that the secret is HIS to reveal should he make a Monkey Island game again and of course in recent interview he did say that he would LOVE to make another Monkey Island game which might mean that MI5 might be finally Ron Gilberts with Lucasarts. In any case it was said many times that Tales of MI take place after the hypothetical MI5 which is what Ron Gilbert brainstormed in early sessions. Now it is said that Ron gave his input as to the ending of the 5th chapter. At least they should add a smirky line in the dialogue saying if its Ron Gilberts' true Secret of Monkey Island should they reveal anything groundbreaking or not. In any case the series get better everytime and well done to TellTales.

[LeChuck315]

I don't know if this is considered spoilers but it's about LeChuck.

I'm wondering if this will be the final end of LeChuck.

I hope not.

[GuruGuru214]

I don't know if this is considered spoilers but it's about LeChuck.

I'm wondering if this will be the final end of LeChuck.

I hope not.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but I also can't imagine them doing that. The whole series is about Guybrush vs. LeChuck. You can't break that cycle without breaking the series.

[Meems]

It's not a good idea to let the series drag on past it's natural end, so maybe they really are going for a grand finale here. But I doubt it--I don't think LucasArtswould let them.

I hope so, anyway. Natural end or not, I wants me more Monkey Island.

[GBTW]

i don't know if this belongs here but i just noticed that the name of the "pirate god" mentioned by the voodoo lady is NOR TREBLIG. Ron Gilbert spelled backwards. heh. mind-blowing.

Well spotted! LOL!

[flying sheep]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but I also can't imagine them doing that. The whole series is about Guybrush vs. LeChuck. You can't break that cycle without breaking the series.
why not?
there are many things to do in the caribbean and many lesser bad guys which can develop.

but i agree, it is satisfying to find out at every end of a game, that lechuck was behind it all and you can kill him once again…

[GuruGuru214]

why not?
there are many things to do in the caribbean and many lesser bad guys which can develop.

That's like going on a Zelda forum and saying "Go ahead, permanently off Ganon. Let's give Vaati a chance to shine." Link and Ganon, Guybrush and LeChuck, they're fated enemies, destined to clash time and again. Mess with that and...well...

http://www.sara.to/sigure/game/g17/p03.jpg

And I bet you thought Escape from Monkey Island was bad. Monkey Island's black sheep is nothing compared to Zelda's.

Yes, I am well aware that the image of CD-i Link has absolutely nothing to do with the presence or absence of Ganon in those games, I just couldn't help it. Besides, a screenshot of Four Swords or The Minish Cap just doesn't have the same effect.

[Zhadnost]

Are you referring to sinking the Mad Monkey in the first game? Because both the ending (if you sink it, otherwise you see Herman Toothrot) and the fourth game show that all three survived that but were marooned on Monkey Island.

I know there are 2 endings but I thught there was a reference in CMI that suggested it sank.

[upperchuck]

Well spotted! LOL!

Wait, does that mean that RON Gilbert has full control the next chapter!?:eek:

[GuruGuru214]

I know there are 2 endings but I thught there was a reference in CMI that suggested it sank.

I don't remember a reference in Curse, but in Escape, Guybrush's original crew complains a lot about him stranding them on Monkey Island, indicating that the boat sank, but they still all survived.

Also, I don't know what I was thinking, but the boat in Secret was the Sea Monkey.

[der_ketzer]

i don't know if this belongs here but i just noticed that the name of the "pirate god" mentioned by the voodoo lady is NOR TREBLIG. ron gilbert spelled backwards.
he even had a shrine in her shack in Episode 1.

[rugby]

Link and Ganon, Guybrush and LeChuck, they're fated enemies, destined to clash time and again. Mess with that and...well...

That just reminded me of a line from The Dark Knight that goes something like "this is what happens when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object." :D

The never-ending struggle is what makes it so entertaining...No more conflict, no more fun.

[ReDi]

Assuming that there will be a second ToMI, neither LeChuck nor Guybrush can become the Pirate God because then there will be no more Guybrush vs LeChuck. Hence, I think it will be someone else, but that someone else can do nothing against the Pox controlling LeChuck despite being a god, and the saga continues.

[ReDi]

How about Guybrush and Morgan 'getting together' in the Land of the Undead and producing a Pirate God? :eek:

[flying sheep]

lol, sex would be the next logical step after introducing death in a monkey island game
(ok, i forgot telltale is american and american politicians let watch their 10-year-olds bloody gore but NEVER a nipple. what a country! i hate this catholic double standards)

[upperchuck]

lol, sex would be the next logical step after introducing death in a monkey island game
(ok, i forgot telltale is american and american politicians let watch their 10-year-olds bloody gore but NEVER a nipple. what a country! i hate this catholic double standards)

I see nipples all the time and American porn makes most other countries look like saints. Death is a natural part of life, cheating on your wife, not so much...I wouldn't call it a double standard, just a standard for descent clean families. Monkey Island is a family game not a porno or Rated R movie. :rolleyes:

[Terr002]

I'd like to quote the Voodoo Lady in Episode 4:
Guybrush: You've been lying to me about LeChuck all these years!
Voodoo Lady: My ways are my own, Guybrush Threepwood, but rest assured, I have never lied to you.
Guybrush: You're lying right now! All this time I thought LeChuck was an inhuman monster... well, actually he was an inhuman monster, but only because you MADE him this way!
Voodoo Lady: Did I? Or was I merely playing my role in a much larger play?
Guybrush: Stop trying to confuse me! We're tired of being puppets in your chess game!
Voodoo Lady: This is no game, Threepwood!

I have the feeling there is a much higher power than the Voodoo Lady who is controlling all the events. The diary is merely a copy of the Pirate God's plans and the Voodoo Lady was instructed to bring these events in play.
I don't think the Pirate God is someone we've met before. None of the other characters are mysterious enough if you ask me.

[Irishmile]

I like LeChuck just as much as I like Guybrush, so they better not kill him off permanently.

[Gryffalio]

(ok, i forgot telltale is american and american politicians let watch their 10-year-olds bloody gore but NEVER a nipple. what a country! i hate this catholic double standards)

Catholic? I hate the WASP/Puritan double-standards! ;)

So, put into context nicely by Terr002, it's suddenly struck me how obvious it was from the outset that TTG were setting up for a cliffhanger of some kind... hmm.

[Bagge]

I see nipples all the time and American porn makes most other countries look like saints. Death is a natural part of life, cheating on your wife, not so much...I wouldn't call it a double standard, just a standard for descent clean families. Monkey Island is a family game not a porno or Rated R movie. :rolleyes:


How do you figure sex equals cheating on your wife? It's absolutely possible to turn your argument on it's head and say "Procreating is a natural part of life, killing random strangers, not so much."

[flying sheep]

American porn makes most other countries look like saints.
…while american politicians tell how bad porn is for your morality. if that aren’t double standards…

and, btw., polygamic relationships are the much older and more common form of human social life. monogamy is a rather new development.

back to MI, i don’t think guybrush and morgan will share much more than a kiss. (which is normal for today’s moral standards, but not for the ones of the century the game is playing in: aristocratics made marriages of convenience back then and pirates fucked everything that walked and had enough pounds of makeup in the face)

[Farlander]

pirates fucked everything that walked and had enough pounds of makeup in the face)

Now I understand the reason why DeSinge wants to cut any pirate's limb he's able to get to.

[dahoughtonuk]

It depends what end of the pirate spectrum you are. It ranges from a relatively honourable, almost privateer type (Guybrush Threepwood) to so powerful he can break even the informal rules of pirates and get away with it (LeChuck).

There is a fair range between the two though. Most pirates are somewhere between. And personal honour is probably why Morgan doesn't get what she half-wants from Guybrush Threepwood Mighty Pirate TM

[Mc_Pack]

OMG its so obvious !

its Murray the Evil Skull!!!!

[onlyamonkey]

Winslow, the pirate God.

[TioAlli]

dont know, but i think this last chapter will connect somehow with the end of monkey island 2.

[jmm]

OMG its so obvious !

its Murray the Evil Skull!!!!

Nah, everyone knows it's the anchor

[Deepone]

It is obvious what will happen..
Guybrush will come to the land of the dead, which lies somewhere on Monkey Island, where he needs to escape from..
Hint: Every MI game's last chapter happens on Monkey Island :p

About the pirate god.. Im pretty sure its LeChuck. It all was his plan from the start to absorb all of the pox to become very mighty.

[coolsome]

It is obvious what will happen..
Guybrush will come to the land of the dead, which lies somewhere on Monkey Island, where he needs to escape from..
Hint: Every MI game's last chapter happens on Monkey Island :p

About the pirate god.. Im pretty sure its LeChuck. It all was his plan from the start to absorb all of the pox to become very mighty.

MI4 last chapter was on meelee with the robot and staue XP

[Falanca]

Im pretty sure its LeChuck. It all was his plan from the start to absorb all of the pox to become very mighty.

Though, technically, didn't he just absorb the pox that set free from him anyway? So isn't he just as powerful as he was in the very start of the first episode?

However, I do hope, they will also keep Stan and Morgan "too-lovely-to-die" LeFay.

I second that, especially the spoiler part.

[Farlander]

MI4 last chapter was on meelee with the robot and staue XP

So was MI1, by the way. Only no robots.
And MI2, (considering CoMI retcon), had only the last cutscene on Monkey Island.
So, really, only CoMI had it's last chapters taking place on Monkey Island.

[Plunder Bunny]

I think it's going to be Bosco.

Haha, I knew there was something special about him... Brilliant :P

[Plunder Bunny]

MI4 last chapter was on meelee with the robot and staue XP

Yes but MI4 destroyed the Monkey Island story line and therefore dosn't exist in my eyes... *closes eyes and sticks fingers in ears* La la la I can't hear you!

[Karl]

Hm, this is a bit fat-fetched, but I think Guybrush will be brought back to life due to the voodoo magic of the Pyrite Parrot (who is now "scattered throughout the planet") Possibly being the pirate god himself? Dunno. If this is true, I don't think Morgan's dead. We'll just have to see.

[Zhadnost]

Though, technically, didn't he just absorb the pox that set free from him anyway? So isn't he just as powerful as he was in the very start of the first episode?



I second that, especially the spoiler part.

I was under the impression that when someone was infected with the pox it grew within them, so therefore when Lechuck got it back, he got a lot more voodoo than he let out in the first place.

[Toothless Gibbon]

I think it's Guybrush himself now!

[Trenchfoot]

If the Pirate God is someone new, I wonder if they will make it an omnipotent god or a more friendly god like the Genie from Aladdin.
Hmmm...

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8861/dibujoelm.jpg

:p

[Jake]

Hint: Every MI game's last chapter happens on Monkey Island :p

Monkey Island 2 didn't! That game also didn't have insult swordfighting or crew gathering. Sorta kinda like how Empire Strikes Back didn't have a Death Star but was still plenty of Star Wars.

[GuruGuru214]

Monkey Island 2 didn't! That game also didn't have insult swordfighting or crew gathering. Sorta kinda like how Empire Strikes Back didn't have a Death Star but was still plenty of Star Wars.

Well, as a stand-alone game it didn't, but as part of the larger series, the third game retconned the ending of MI2 to take place on Monkey Island.

[shovell]

If the Pirate God is someone new, I wonder if they will make it an omnipotent god or a more friendly god like the Genie from Aladdin.
Hmmm...

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8861/dibujoelm.jpg

:p

I'm hoping for a Aladdin-esc Genie!

[Toothless Gibbon]

Monkey Island 2 didn't! That game also didn't have insult swordfighting or crew gathering. Sorta kinda like how Empire Strikes Back didn't have a Death Star but was still plenty of Star Wars.

That analogy would worked better if the series esd called Death Star but good point! :D

[shovell]

*closes eyes and sticks fingers in ears* La la la I can't hear you!

Always one of the best responses in an argument XD

[Irishmile]

wouldn't it be interesting if when GT finally comes back some significant amount of time has passed in the real world.

[Toothless Gibbon]

wouldn't it be interesting if when GT finally comes back some significant amount of time has passed in the real world.

Like 9 years?

Oh, you mean the in-game real world...

[Irishmile]

LOL yeah...

[eskimo]

Alright, I've had enough the speculation.

The truth is: I'm the pirate god.. There. YOU HAPPY NOW???

[Icedhope]

OMG its so obvious !

its Murray the Evil Skull!!!!

That would be the demonic skull, sir.

[GuruGuru214]

Alright, I've had enough the speculation.

The truth is: I'm the pirate god.. There. YOU HAPPY NOW???

You're so pale, you make snow look tan!

[Darkcree]

The answer to who the Pirate God is can't really be LeChuck. It's so blindingly obvious that it wouldn't be funny, OR Monkey-Island-esque.
The God-like powers would be transferred in a beam or something of the sort, then Winslow or someone will unwittingly stand in front of it.
It's got to be obscure.

[Mermaid]

The answer to who the Pirate God is can't really be LeChuck. It's so blindingly obvious that it wouldn't be funny, OR Monkey-Island-esque.

Wasn't it also blindingly obvious that the mysterious woman who threatened Guybrush with her sword at the end of EP1 had to be Morgan LeFlay? And look where all the speculation went...!

[Teeth]

Anyone else wondering if they'll do a Doctor Who and have another Guybrush cloned from his severed hand?

[Mermaid]

About that hand...at first it worked AGAINST Guybrush, slapping him and trying to stop him from doing things. I assumed that this was because it was possessed with LeChuck's will or something.
With DeSinge menacing Guybrush, the hand suddenly works FOR Guybrush (okay, it failed to open the clamshell locks, but still.)

So WHO controls Lefty? Is Lefty to become the pirate god??

[Alcoremortis]

Anyone else wondering if they'll do a Doctor Who and have another Guybrush cloned from his severed hand?

Yes.

[CautiousPaul]

Think LeChucks original mission involving all the monkeys will come into play (probably some ritual to attract the pirate god?)

Ive got a strange feeling that the ending of the 4th Episode with elaine and lechuck squaring off will start the 5th episode, and there will be a huge twist, with Elaine dropping her sword, lechuck dropping his and the two of them embrace!!!

You then will play the dead threepwood who will meet up with morgan in heaven/hell, more co-operation between the two (the voodoo lady appears somehow!!) as well as the REAL MURRAY!!!!!

Threepwood will play out this level trying to get back to his original form, and will think he has been successful (as will the player), but the cutscene shows that Van Winslow found Guybrush and by using the live hand and desinge's equipment he managed to bring Guybrush back to life! (Van Winslow has also picked up Morgans body).

Then Guybrush goes on the hunt for LeChuck thinking he took Elaine.....the ending will involve the truth coming out that Elaine is the mastermind, and then some huge ending twist.

[Mermaid]

Ive got a strange feeling that the ending of the 4th Episode with elaine and lechuck squaring off will start the 5th episode, and there will be a huge twist, with Elaine dropping her sword, lechuck dropping his and the two of them embrace!!!

You then will play the dead threepwood who will meet up with morgan in heaven/hell, more co-operation between the two (the voodoo lady appears somehow!!) as well as the REAL MURRAY!!!!!

Threepwood will play out this level trying to get back to his original form, and will think he has been successful (as will the player), but the cutscene shows that Van Winslow found Guybrush and by using the live hand and desinge's equipment he managed to bring Guybrush back to life! (Van Winslow has also picked up Morgans body).

Then Guybrush goes on the hunt for LeChuck thinking he took Elaine.....the ending will involve the truth coming out that Elaine is the mastermind, and then some huge ending twist.

I also think we haven't seen the last of Murray. His longed for reappearance seemed a little short for my taste. His presence might ensure that there will be a few laughs in the final chapter to "loosen up" the rather dark atmosphere.

There were a couple of moments in which I thought of Elaine being the mastermind as well. Especially when LeChuck reveals the "truth" about the Voodoo lady being behind all the bad things he did. He finishes his speech with "It's all because of her" but that could also be referred to Elaine as he was talking about his obsession with her just before. Anyone else noticed that?

[guitarsareboring]

I'm still hoping it's been a typo all this time and it's actually 'Rise of the Pyrite God'.

[Novotnus]

REAL MURRAY!!!!!

He's already with the Pirate God (using his Treasure Crab avatar).