It's ruined forever!!!

[Secret Fawful]

Hey, the spoiler topic is getting too cluttered with arguing. So I'm making this topic for all the people who didn't like Episode 4 or any of the others, to talk about their complaints and why they dislike the game and its story.

I'm going to stay out of this topic myself, but have at it. And please, try not to start fights people. I'm partly saying this as a reminder to myself, because I tend to want to defend my favorite game series. ;)

So have at it, tear into the game like no tomorrow. You ungrateful bashers. :rolleyes:

[VickyL]

xD
Nice idea. Surely if there are enough complaints that you have to open a new thread for it, there must be a reason. I think you're missing something here.

[Mataku]

I lol'd

[Bagge]

Hey, the spoiler topic is getting too cluttered with arguing. So I'm making this topic for all the people who didn't like Episode 4 or any of the others, to talk about their complaints and why they dislike the game and its story.

I'm going to stay out of this topic myself, but have at it. And please, try not to start fights people. I'm partly saying this as a reminder to myself, because I tend to want to defend my favorite game series. ;)

So have at it, tear into the game like no tomorrow. You ungrateful bashers. :rolleyes:

Although I liked chapter 4 a lot, I think a thread like this is uncalled for. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a product they paid for without being stowed away and labeled "ungrateful bashers".

[Secret Fawful]

Although I liked chapter 4 a lot, I think a thread like this is uncalled for. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a product they paid for without being stowed away and labeled "ungrateful bashers".

It was meant for the sake of humor.

[VickyL]

And fantastic humour it was too. I couldn't help letting out a smirk, and I'm one of the very people this thread is aimed at.

[gingerale]

Hah.. Well done. xD <3

[thatdude98]

Um... okay. I will have at it. WHINE! TROLL! COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN! Flame war! Blah blah blah. I want my money back! Telltale should listen to all my completely stupid and uncalled for complaints! I want episode 5 now! Blah blah blah! Attention craving! Insult, Insult, Insult! Martha, Martha, Martha!

That good? :)

[Mataku]

why are they ungrateful? I personally don't follow this notion that because you're a fan of something that means you have to follow it blindly. I also don't agree with the idea that has developed over the past few years that just because someone release an adventure game, you should immediately praise them for THAT, in order to not 'offend the genre', as if saying bad things about it will completly destroy all adventure games in the future. Whenever i dare to say something bad about some new adventure game, immediately people say 'you should thank them that they're even still making adventure games nowadays." I don't agree. If something is bad in my opinion, it's bad, and trying to ignore that just to not 'offend the genre' isn't helping anyone.

[Miaharpy]

Nice one Secret Fawful :D

[Secret Fawful]

hehehe

[Rather Dashing]

I'm not too fond of being mocked, at least when there's no wit involved, but hey, fine.

[Secret Fawful]

I'm not too fond of being mocked, at least when there's no wit involved, but hey, fine.

I'd rather be mocked by someone without any wit so I can laugh at them afterwards. ;)

[thatdude98]

I'm not too fond of being mocked, at least when there's no wit involved, but hey, fine.

That's the spirit! :D

But I don't know about "no wit". :confused: I thought an obscure reference to a 60's sitcom was pretty witty.

MARTHA, MARTHA, MARTHA!

Eh, never mind. That IS lame.

[Rather Dashing]

I'd rather be mocked by someone without any wit so I can laugh at them afterwards. ;)
Nah, if someone's going to make fun of me, I'd like for them to be smart about it. Then maybe I can see the humor in my own situation. This was just...I dunno. You saying "Ha ha, their opinion's different". I don't see a joke.

[GaryCXJk]

You know, Rather Dashing, I used to take your opinions on this board very high, but lately they've been pretty much degrading, mostly forming complaints and such. Also, if you can't spot the playful use of the word "ungrateful", especially with a freaking smiley face, which I actually took as just a passing joke and nothing serious, it tells a bit more about you than about those who made the joke.

I mean, everybody IS entitled to their opinions. I myself wasn't too fond of the "look the other way" puzzle myself in chapter two, seeing as it wasn't really all that obvious. However, you won't see me tearing the series a second bunghole because of that and expect others to do the same.

And, again, the "ungrateful" part was not a lash. It was a joke.

Also, I expected a link to that other site (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER).

[Rather Dashing]

You know, Rather Dashing, I used to take your opinions on this board very high, but lately they've been pretty much degrading, mostly forming complaints and such.
My opinion's probably are being expressed a bit too caustically, because I just expected so much more after the excellent and jaw-dropping Episode 3. But the episode did drop off as being really flat to me, and the dramatic moments just felt like they were designed to tell us they didn't matter before the next episode even started. It felt weak, and it sort of made the whole episode feel very bland to me, despite having some of the most excellent puzzles in the season.

Also, if you can't spot the playful use of the word "ungrateful", especially with a freaking smiley face, which I actually took as just a passing joke and nothing serious, it tells a bit more about you than about those who made the joke.
Eh, a joke at(mostly) my expense. And I don't like these complaining about complainers threads too much to start with. :)

I mean, everybody IS entitled to their opinions. I myself wasn't too fond of the "look the other way" puzzle myself in chapter two, seeing as it wasn't really all that obvious. However, you won't see me tearing the series a second bunghole because of that and expect others to do the same.
Hey, woah, when did I say Tales as a whole was a bunghole?

[also, I loved that puzzle]

[Secret Fawful]

Also, I expected a link to that other site (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER). I almost did link to that! :D


Eh, a joke at(mostly) my expense. And I don't like these complaining about complainers threads too much to start with. :)

Dude I said I was gonna stay out of this but I have to clear this up. That was aimed in general, definitely NOT straight at you. If you still think it was, you are entitled to think that. But it wasn't. :)

[Rather Dashing]

Dude I said I was gonna stay out of this
You've been doing a TERRIBLE job of that, my friend. ;)

but I have to clear this up. That was aimed in general, definitely NOT straight at you. If you still think it was, you are entitled to think that. But it wasn't. :)
Maybe I was a bit vain in that respect. :o

[Epic Kiwi]

It's not dark enough. I demand it to be so dark that you can't even see anything, maybe in the next episode they can be stuck inside a cave with no lanterns or torches. Also, more characters have to die. Like, everyone. That'd be the best Monkey Island game ever imo.

[Rather Dashing]

It's not dark enough. I demand it to be so dark that you can't even see anything, maybe in the next episode they can be stuck inside a cave with no lanterns or torches. Also, more characters have to die. Like, everyone. That'd be the best Monkey Island game ever imo.
Hey, it worked for Mostly Harmless. :)

[Epic Kiwi]

Hey, it worked for Mostly Harmless. :)
But I could see the words on the page as I read the book! It wasn't dark enough. :[

[Ignatius]

Well, i feel part of the dissapointed minority so i will sit here twisting my evil moustache.

[Rather Dashing]

But I could see the words on the page as I read the book! It wasn't dark enough. :[
You should have read it like I did. I traveled to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in a submarine with absolutely no lighting...I read the novel by means of a pair of night-vision goggles.

[Epic Kiwi]

And what's with this "stabbed in the stomach but no blood" business? I demand buckets-- HUGE buckets-- of glorious red blood that gushes from the bodies of LeChuck's victims as they scream in agony. And when the blood spills all over, it has to fly out in an arc in slow motion for grisly effect.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to see the blood, since it's pitch black. But it'd still be there.

[Rather Dashing]

And what's with this "stabbed in the stomach but no blood" business? I demand buckets-- HUGE buckets-- of glorious red blood that gushes from the bodies of LeChuck's victims as they scream in agony. And when the blood spills all over, it has to fly out in an arc in slow motion for grisly effect.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to see the blood, since it's pitch black. But it'd still be there.
You're obviously not hardcore enough to know that what we need to see isn't just BLOOD, but entrails as well.

[...also, um, I''m actually pretty annoyed whenever someone gets stabbed and there's no blood. I mean, seriously? If you don't want to include the blood that comes with a stab wound, don't include a stabbing!]

[Epic Kiwi]

You're obviously not hardcore enough to know that what we need to see isn't just BLOOD, but entrails as well.

[...also, um, I''m actually pretty annoyed whenever someone gets stabbed and there's no blood. I mean, seriously? If you don't want to include the blood that comes with a stab wound, don't include a stabbing!]

Right you are. Remember the "That's disgusting" scene at the beginning of Dino Crisis, where the guy's been ripped in two and his blood and guts are spread all over the ground? We need more moments like that. Except you'd actually see the murder happening.

Oh, except you wouldn't. Because it's so dark.

[Byakko]

When GB pulled the sword out, the lack of blood made me think GB would find out it was a falsely and cleverly placed sword MEANT to make Morgan look like she was dying and THEN she'll do something...SURPRISING.

Apparently the squelching sound meant it really got pulled out, yet lacks blood. I conclude all the TOMI characters run on pure sugar.

[Jake]

When GB pulled the sword out, the lack of blood made me think GB would find out it was a falsely and cleverly placed sword MEANT to make Morgan look like she was dying and THEN she'll do something...SURPRISING.

Apparently the squelching sound meant it really got pulled out, yet lacks blood. I conclude all the TOMI characters run on pure sugar.

The characters run on pure E+ to T rating.

[Rather Dashing]

The characters run on pure E+ to T rating.
Is that similar to gumdrops and rainbows?

...wait, you're not allowed cartoon blood on a T rating?

[coolsome]

Is that similar to gumdrops and rainbows?

...wait, you're not allowed cartoon blood on a T rating?


DeSinge had blood when u cut his cheek

[Maxilyah]

I don't understand that. I see blood all the time in Disney shows...

[LowMoralFiber]

Blood would probably push Tales into "M" territory, since it's already full of alcohol, sex and violence.

Besides, DeSinge mentioned that there was blood all over the place in his lab, so we just have to pretend...

[coolsome]

hey wouldnt an M rated option on the disc be awsome!!

[GaryCXJk]

Just putting anything M-rated as something optional would pull the whole disc into M-rating.

[Secret Fawful]

You've been doing a TERRIBLE job of that, my friend. ;)
Ah, you're right. I give up. :p

And what's with this "stabbed in the stomach but no blood" business? I demand buckets-- HUGE buckets-- of glorious red blood that gushes from the bodies of LeChuck's victims as they scream in agony. And when the blood spills all over, it has to fly out in an arc in slow motion for grisly effect.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to see the blood, since it's pitch black. But it'd still be there.

LOL!

[Takun]

Nah, if someone's going to make fun of me, I'd like for them to be smart about it.


Fair enough.

Rather Dashing: The more handsome brother of Rather Plain, but nowhere near as successful as their uncle, Rather Rich.

[Byakko]

Blood would probably push Tales into "M" territory, since it's already full of alcohol, sex and violence.

Besides, DeSinge mentioned that there was blood all over the place in his lab, so we just have to pretend...

Mentioning/alluding/making-rather-comical-euphemisms-for sex doesn't count. The act itself would have to be present. I mean the closest would prolly be what can only be described as Evil Elaine molesting Guybrush in her intro.

And I'm still not even sure there's anything can be called an 'adult situation' in the game. It's not that the situations aren't 'adult', it's whether we can say that with a straight face when the solution to said situation is 'use monkey with'.

[Clord]

Adventure games are so last Millennium, RPG genre took mostly over and have some puzzles too.

[Gryffalio]

This was just...I dunno. You saying "Ha ha, their opinion's different". I don't see a joke.

This is a Monkey Island forum and you are expecting witty, well considered and 4-dimensioned jokes?

[TofuHead]

I FOR ONE FEEL LIKE MONKEY ISLAND IS THE WORST FRANCHISE EVER!!one

[bobdevis]

I don't like De Singe. He is too much a stereotypical bad guy.
The script does a very good job in letting you wander about everyone's motives. Elane, LeChuck, Morgan and the Voodoo Lady can be suspected of double agenda's all though the episodes.
De Singe on the other hand was/is the same boring megalomaniac all the time. He is not even charismatic with his wimpy attitude.
I loves this episode and all the plot twists. I just think TTG could have done a waaaay better job with De Singe.

[Amaterasu]

The characters run on pure E+ to T rating.

Yet allowing Elaine to say: "What else is she HANDY with?!" is alright? XD

[GaryCXJk]

I find it outrageous that Telltale would allow such a bug in Stan's coat! I mean, his textures don't move correctly! It's as if it's standing still!

[thatdude98]

Blood would probably push Tales into "M" territory, since it's already full of alcohol, sex and violence.

Besides, DeSinge mentioned that there was blood all over the place in his lab, so we just have to pretend...

If it turned 'M' I'd lose most, if not all, my respect for the game.

[NubiS]

Was disappointed with this episode. Too short, quite easy (all the puzzles were very obvious) and only one location. The ending didn't have much impact consequentially, though I'm intrigued about #5 now... I hope it will be better. The others were.

[Kroms]

De Singe on the other hand was/is the same boring megalomaniac all the time. He is not even charismatic with his wimpy attitude.
I loves this episode and all the plot twists. I just think TTG could have done a waaaay better job with De Singe.

He's trying to discover the secrets of immortality, for science. It's a good explanation, since he thinks the ends are worth the means.

[VickyL]

mmmmm Science.

I think he's pretty awesome actually. But maybe I'm biased because we can curse him with innumerable voodoo wedgies in ep.3.

[Shen-Zhi]

Hey, the spoiler topic is getting too cluttered with arguing. So I'm making this topic for all the people who didn't like Episode 4 or any of the others, to talk about their complaints and why they dislike the game and its story.

I'm going to stay out of this topic myself, but have at it. And please, try not to start fights people. I'm partly saying this as a reminder to myself, because I tend to want to defend my favorite game series. ;)

So have at it, tear into the game like no tomorrow. You ungrateful bashers. :rolleyes:

you fight like a cow!

[Rather Dashing]

Fair enough.

Rather Dashing: The more handsome brother of Rather Plain, but nowhere near as successful as their uncle, Rather Rich.
I laughed. :D


This is a Monkey Island forum and you are expecting witty, well considered and 4-dimensioned jokes?
Yes. Yes I do.

If it turned 'M' I'd lose most, if not all, my respect for the game.
Why? That...makes no sense. Now granted, the VAST MAJORITY of games with the "M" ESRB rating are given it because they're marketing to teens and college frat boy types, but if they actually used the rating to create something compelling and dramatic? I've seen it done, many times.

Now, it would probably be a terrible financial decision, but I don't see how not limiting their content is a bad ARTISTIC decision.

[bobdevis]

Why? That...makes no sense. Now granted, the VAST MAJORITY of games with the "M" ESRB rating are given it because they're marketing to teens and college frat boy types, but if they actually used the rating to create something compelling and dramatic? I've seen it done, many times.

Now, it would probably be a terrible financial decision, but I don't see how not limiting their content is a bad ARTISTIC decision.

Hmmm. What about a ToMI nude patch?
BRB... figuring out how to unpack and repack the game data archives....

[Irishmile]

Doodo?

[Wusodoolo]

All I'm mad about is that they killed the parrot. Though seeing as it has been melted and shaped into a turtle and still came back ok, I'm sure that being mashed into a paste will not remove it forever. If it does get reformed, i hope it doesn't get any of those De Singe particles mixed up. I do not want a pyrite De Singe Parrot.

[feverfew]

All I'm mad about is that they killed the parrot. Though seeing as it has been melted and shaped into a turtle and still came back ok, I'm sure that being mashed into a paste will not remove it forever. If it does get reformed, i hope it doesn't get any of those De Singe particles mixed up. I do not want a pyrite De Singe Parrot.

That's the stuff really horrible dreams are made of.

[LowMoralFiber]

"Squawk! C'est moi! Guybrush Threepwood! Pirate tres forte!"

[bobdevis]

How did De Singe actually end up having the parrot?
Guybrush lost it while being swallowed by the manatee, right?

[Rather Dashing]

Hmmm. What about a ToMI nude patch?
BRB... figuring out how to unpack and repack the game data archives....
As far as I know, the only known unpacker was discontinued several games before Tales came out, and it doesn't work.

[Irishmile]

So would De Singe like being chewed up into bits being a masochist and all?

[bai_ganyo]

It was meant for the sake of humor.

When I opened a thread calling people 'mislead sheep', I even got a warning from Telltale.
This is ridiculous. Go cry on somebody else's shoulder. No sence for humor and no backbone whatsoever.

I love this series by the way, especially the last two chapters.

[Gryffalio]

There wasn't enough cheese.

Okay. There. I said it.

And also there should have been more gratuitous insult-flinging and conversations should have been concluded by sword-fighting to the death.

For shame, TTG!

[Secret Fawful]

When I opened a thread calling people 'mislead sheep', I even got a warning from Telltale.
This is ridiculous. Go cry on somebody else's shoulder. No sence for humor and no backbone whatsoever.

I love this series by the way, especially the last two chapters.

*sniff* Okay.

BRB looking to see if someone tossed out a perfectly good shoulder I can use.

[Epic Kiwi]

Hmmm. What about a ToMI nude patch?
BRB... figuring out how to unpack and repack the game data archives....
<insert Hot Grog Mod joke here>

[Novotnus]

Hmmm. What about a ToMI nude patch?


Hmm, that would be quite a revelation to see LeChuck's... What was Whizzer's real name again?

[darknessofheart]

I think this game needs more skulls and skeletons, a couple dozen every chapter isn't enough. We must have more suggested violence and death.

[Irishmile]

I think if they gave LeChuck an undead pirate crew again it would go a long way to accomplishing that

[darknessofheart]

I think if they gave LeChuck an undead pirate crew again it would go a long way to accomplishing that

Yeah that would do it. In all seriousness though, I think there is more than enough corpses and skeletons in the series. People seem to lose their lives in the Caribbean in this series as often as the earth spinning. Seems exceptionally easy to have one's life end by various means in Monkey Island games.

[thatdude98]

Hmmm. What about a ToMI nude patch?
.

I think someone's played Oblivion.

[thatdude98]

Why? That...makes no sense. Now granted, the VAST MAJORITY of games with the "M" ESRB rating are given it because they're marketing to teens and college frat boy types, but if they actually used the rating to create something compelling and dramatic? I've seen it done, many times.

Now, it would probably be a terrible financial decision, but I don't see how not limiting their content is a bad ARTISTIC decision.

Well, if they made something like Dreamfall, I'd be okay. But usually games with an 'M' rating are needlessly violent. I was surprised when I started hearing Sam and Max like humor in TMI here. If they turned it into an 'M' game, it would probably be just as you said, "They're marketing to teens and college frat boy types." In my opinion, that's not how games should be.

[Toothless Gibbon]

Wait a sec.. some people DIDN'T like this chapter?

The internet never fails to amaze me.

[Takun]

I laughed. :D

That makes it all worth while, lol.

[Rather Dashing]

Wait a sec.. some people DIDN'T like this chapter?

The internet never fails to amaze me.
"Didn't like" is a wrong word(at least, for me). More like "really disliked certain aspects". I liked it, but due to some really glaring annoyances it's my least favorite episode so far. Still nowhere near being considered "Bad", though. Just "Wow, I expected better".

...Oh, and the majority of the complaints in this thread are jokes.