Why come no Monkey Island?

[tredlow]

I just realized that this is the first Monkey Island game that has nothing to do with the actual island at all!! While in the second game we didn't go to Monkey Island, Dinky Island is a small atoll off the coast of Monkey Island, connected by a series of tunnels, so it's kind of sort of connected to MI.

Not that I'm complaining about the story, which was great, but I was really hoping to see a fully 3D Monkey Island. So...

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1520/howcome.png

[Jazzy]

MI2 was retconned into having Monkey Island by CMI, at no point in MI2 itself did it ever say we were on Monkey Island.

[coolsome]

there was no metal gear in metal gear solid 3 no zelda in links awakening and the real mortal kombat tournment was only in the first game

[The Commissioner]

Monkey Island is just the name of the series. If they had called it "The Secret of Guybrush Threepwood", then there wouldn't be this discussion.

It's like Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It probably got canned because Terminator is more about John Connor, but they were stuck with the name.

[Guinea]

MI2 was retconned into having Monkey Island by CMI, at no point in MI2 itself did it ever say we were on Monkey Island.

I think you're right. Dinky Island's (or was it Inky?) tunnels only connected Dinky and Melee and for some reason in CMI they said you could also go to Monkey Island.
Also, there is a tunnel that leads from Melee to Blood Island if you trust the CMI easter egg, and Guybrush can also WALK on the sea bottom from Blood to an ALTERNATE PAST of Melee, seeing himself drown.

So yeah, this leaves us with the theory that you can actually walk from Blood to Melee (past and present) and from there to Dinky and Monkey Island. That's what I call a network.

[Overboard]

MI2 was retconned into having Monkey Island by CMI, at no point in MI2 itself did it ever say we were on Monkey Island.

No one said that MI2 went to Monkey Island. He said Dinky was a small island just in the outskirts of Monkey Island. Which is true.

Edit:

"In Curse of Monkey Island it is revealed that Dinky is in fact a small atoll off the coast of Monkey Island which led to some inconsistencies with earlier games. However, Dinky is also shown to be off the coast of Lucre Island in the in-game map of Escape from Monkey Island." - Quoted from http://www.miwiki.net/Dinky_Island

[Jazzy]

I think you're right. Dinky Island's (or was it Inky?) tunnels only connected Dinky and Melee and for some reason in CMI they said you could also go to Monkey Island.
Also, there is a tunnel that leads from Melee to Blood Island if you trust the CMI easter egg, and Guybrush can also WALK on the sea bottom from Blood to an ALTERNATE PAST of Melee, seeing himself drown.

So yeah, this leaves us with the theory that you can actually walk from Blood to Melee (past and present) and from there to Dinky and Monkey Island. That's what I call a network.

Yep, and this isn't even mentioned in MI2 itself, you only find out in CMI that they were supposedly connected.

No one said that MI2 went to Monkey Island. He said Dinky was a small island just in the outskirts of Monkey Island. Which is true.

True as of CMI, in MI2 it was never revealed that this was the case, and hence until CMI was released it appeared that MI2 had no connection to Monkey Island whatsoever.

[Falanca]

It's like Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It probably got canned because Terminator is more about John Connor, but they were stuck with the name.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare?

[jhuddy]

Well in MI 2 at the very end you were in the Carnival of the damned. isnt that on Monkey island? Seeing as how you go there again in the third one? So isnt Monkey Island in MI 2?

[Shale]

MI2 was retconned into having Monkey Island by CMI, at no point in MI2 itself did it ever say we were on Monkey Island.

Reading is fun!

[jhuddy]

oooooookkkkkkkaaaaayyyyyyy....... do you not consider MI 3 part of the series then? just because Ron Gilbert didn't create it doesnt mean its not the truth. someone had to continue the story and the creators of Curse decided to have the Carnival of the Damned on monkey island. so therefore you were on Monkey Island at the very end of MI 2.

[Ash735]

But the point was, we do not visit it in Monkey Island 2 ;) We only find out it was Monkey Island in the next game, no point in MI2 does it say Dinky Island is near Monkey Island or that we walk on Monkey Island at the end.

[apenpaap]

I think the reason we didn't go to Monkey Island is because Curse, and especially Escape, have removed all fun things from the island. Curse removed the cannibals, Escape removed Herman Toothrot, the Monkey Head, and the Caverns of Meat.

[Leak]

It's like Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It probably got canned because Terminator is more about John Connor, but they were stuck with the name.
Ah, but TSCC had plenty of Sarah Connor AND Terminators. So there. :D

[Gryffalio]

Monkey Island's great 'n' all, but after the initial wanderings, the cannibals, the talking monkeys, the hell under the monkey-head, the amusement park, etc. We kinda run out of things to do on a relatively small, deserted island.

Sure, it'd be nice to see MI in ToMI standards, and not butchered like in EfMI. But given fans pretty much crucified EfMI's attempts to spice the island up, I feel it was a good call not to include Monkey Island in ToMI.... unless the unnamed island with the seagull was Monkey Island, which I hope it was just so we can say (sort of) that we've been to Monkey Island in every game.

[Bagge]

oooooookkkkkkkaaaaayyyyyyy....... do you not consider MI 3 part of the series then? just because Ron Gilbert didn't create it doesnt mean its not the truth. someone had to continue the story and the creators of Curse decided to have the Carnival of the Damned on monkey island. so therefore you were on Monkey Island at the very end of MI 2.

You are blending two arguments here. The point is that MI2 was written without including Monkey Island at all, thus negating the argument that a Monkey Island game somehow has to include the actual island.

[tredlow]

The point is that MI2 was written without including Monkey Island at all, thus negating the argument that a Monkey Island game somehow has to include the actual island.

I see your point. Though when I think of the title "Monkey Island 2: Le Chuck's Revenge", it does kinda say that, while it's part of the Monkey Island series, it's got nothing to do with Monkey Island, unlike The secret of Monkey Island, Curse of Monkey Island, and Escape from Monkey Island. Tales of Monkey Island kinda promises that the story will have something to do with Monkey Island, while in the end, there isn't.

However, excluding the second game, each game involves a secret, a curse, and escaping Monkey Island:

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9114/awellthoughtouttable.png

Therefore, the titles of the games might not have any connections to the game. Or is there?...

Mind you, this is not an actual argument. I just get a kick out of pointing out pointless details, Heh.

[trapplerton]

I see your point. Though when I think of the title "Monkey Island 2: Le Chuck's Revenge", it does kinda say that, while it's part of the Monkey Island series, it's got nothing to do with Monkey Island, unlike The secret of Monkey Island, Curse of Monkey Island, and Escape from Monkey Island. Tales of Monkey Island kinda promises that the story will have something to do with Monkey Island, while in the end, there isn't.

but the game is called "LeChucks Revenge: Monkey Island 2"...
i don't know if this actually changes anything :p

[Ravey]

but the game is called "LeChucks Revenge: Monkey Island 2"...
i don't know if this actually changes anything :p
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1039/yeahu.png

[spinflip]

I missed Monkey Island too and I feel it breaks a tradition. They just could have made the place with the rift the same underground cavern where LeChuck's ghost ship was in MI1, that would have been enough.

Actually, when I played MI2, I immediately thought that 'Dinky Island' was just a corruption of 'Monkey Island' from the many rumours about Big Whoop. When I saw Toothrot there, I took it as proof, but was afterwards confused to learn that it wasn't Monkey Island...

[SHODANFreeman]

According to the crackpot "it's a kid in a carnival" theory, every place he ever goes is "Monkey Island" since it's all just an attraction in a theme park.

(Warning: Believing the above is known to cause delusional ranting about how amazing the third game that "has yet to be made" would supposedly be based on hearsay from the guy who wrote the first two games)

[Spadge]

I'm tired of Monkey Island. I'm kind of glad we didn't go there. If we allways get the same plot, characters and villains, things get really stale. "Elaine gets in trouble, Guybrush makes a powerfull Voodoo thingy, we meet Herman, Murray, the Voodoo Lady and Stan, there's a minor villain and things end up on Monkey island with a huge bang... "
I think the writers needed to break that mold and make the game they want. I mean, look at EMI. It had so much old elements. TOMI turned out somewhere between EMI and something really really fresh and that works great. So new things are not so bad.

[seanvanaman]

i just don't think ya'll are looking hard enough for the elusive monkey island...

[Gibbeynator]

Were we on Monkey Island when we found LeChuck's belt buckle?

[Lena_P]

Since every island had a monkey on it they are all monkey islands. Technically.

[SubSidal]

i just don't think ya'll are looking hard enough for the elusive monkey island...

Haha!! I knew it! Maybe it was the island with the dead Seagul and LeChuck's treasure chest! Or... maybe the manatee mating grounds are near the coast of monkey island (wouldn't that be funny, Guybrush had all this trouble to find the place and get there and turns out he's already been there several times... :p)

[puzzlebox]

i just don't think ya'll are looking hard enough for the elusive monkey island...

Are you just teasing, Sean? So you can sit back and laugh at the pages of fevered, fantastical rantings spawned by your seemingly innocuous comment?

That would be cruel.

[Epic Kiwi]

Maybe Monkey Island gets submerged underwater during the season the game takes place, except for a small tip at the very top that sticks out. The Rock of Gelato was really Monkey Island.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/FanGuy/rockofgelato.jpg

IT WAS RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES THIS WHOLE TIME.

[Friar]

You wanted to see MI in 3d?

http://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/600x400/18/escape-from-monkey-island.825362.jpg
Here ya go.

[adventureaddict]

Were we on Monkey Island when we found LeChuck's belt buckle?

I'd like to think so. Even if I am proven wrong, in my mind I will still say it was Monkey Island.

[ShaggE]

Of course we didn't land on Monkey Island.

Monkey Island landed on US.

http://static.open.salon.com/files/malcolmx1238312470.jpg

[sharper]

I can accept that there is no Monkey Island in this series since I consider Tales of Monkey Island more of a spin off. I think of it in the same way I look at all the Legend of Zelda games where there has been no Zelda (quick eg. Majora's Mask.)

Besides, remember what Guybrush said in the last episode here. Secret's are meant to remain a secret.

[Albo Abourt]

I agree with those who say that he wanted to see Monkey Island.
The fact is this:
All titles were always consistent with the story that was told.
The Secret Of Monkey Island - The secret is there.
LeChuck's Revenge - Revenge There.
The Curse of Monkey Island - Curse there. And on Monkey Island.
Escape From Monkey Island - You must escape from monkey island
NOW

Tales of Monkey Island
Ok, the "tales" are there. But they're not "of Monkey Island" as an island. It seems inconsistent.

[Dr_Doctor]

Put some spoiler alerts dammnit!
I haven't started the 5th episode yet!!

[tredlow]

You wanted to see MI in 3d?

http://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/600x400/18/escape-from-monkey-island.825362.jpg
Here ya go.

Aaargh No!! I no want pre-rendered!!!

but the game is called "LeChucks Revenge: Monkey Island 2"...
i don't know if this actually changes anything :p

No, I meant that the phrase "Monkey Island" in the title wasn't part of the sentence. It just tells us that there's a revenge, there's LeChuck, and the series is Monkey Island. But nothing specific on Monkey Island.

Now, if it was "Revenge of LeChuck on Monkey Island", that would imply that the game has something to do with the island itself, and not just in the same series.

[doodo!]

MI-4 sort of messed up Monkey Island tm

[One-Eyed Kijin]

I'd like to think so. Even if I am proven wrong, in my mind I will still say it was Monkey Island.

If you are referring to the belt buckle in Episode 5, then I believe that was in the Flotsam forest, although it also could have been in the Spoon isle jungle.

It was not Monkey Island, I'm afraid.

[GepardenK]

In MI2 you actually went to monkey island, kind of, as Lechucks fortress is located just off the coast of monkey island. This was mentioned “in game” in MI2.

I’m also a bit disappointed with no monkey island in Tales. Especially since they had a great opportunity to pull it off:
<SPOILER> why couldn’t Lechuck`s hideout in EP5 actually be his old Monkey Island lava cave hideout from SOMI? That would have been a perfect place for the final battle on the ship, and it would have been a nice throwback to the old games! <SPOILER END>

[Gryffalio]

If you are referring to the belt buckle in Episode 5, then I believe that was in the Flotsam forest, although it also could have been in the Spoon isle jungle.

It was not Monkey Island, I'm afraid.

You can't be sure, though. Especially given all the jungles look the same in this game (or am I being junglist, saying that?!)

[DarthBo]

"monkey island" is only in the title because it's a sequel. seriously...

how lame and unoriginal would it be if we went back to the same island in every game?
Just look at what they did to monkey island in MI3 (or, from what I've heard, in MI4)

The only reason to go back to monkey island would be to reveal the secret, which only Ron Gilbert knows.

[tredlow]

The only reason to go back to monkey island would be to reveal the secret, which only Ron Gilbert knows.

If he knows it, then it wouldn't be a secret now, would it?

[spinflip]

how lame and unoriginal would it be if we went back to the same island in every game?
Well, how lame and unoriginal is it to have Stan in every game? Or always having a happy ending? Reoccurring details don't make the games boring on themselves, it's all about how these details are presented each time.

[apenpaap]

Well, how lame and unoriginal is it to have Stan in every game? Or always having a happy ending? Reoccurring details don't make the games boring on themselves, it's all about how these details are presented each time.

Well, Stan still has all the things that made him so great in Secret, while the Cannibals, Monkey Head, caverns of meat, and Herman Toothrot are gone from Monkey Island. And Revenge ended with LeChuck victorious.

[Novotnus]

You can't be sure, though. Especially given all the jungles look the same in this game (or am I being junglist, saying that?!)

Every jungle in MI games look the same - check jungles on Lucre (one leading to Pete's treasure cave) and Monkey in EfMI.

[Bagge]

In MI2 you actually went to monkey island, kind of, as Lechucks fortress is located just off the coast of monkey island. This was mentioned “in game” in MI2.

No, it wasn't.
The only hint about it's location is that it takes five days of shipping to get the voodoo crate there from Scabb Island, and it takes "hours" for Guybrush to reach Dinky Island from LeChuck's fortress after being launched by the explosion.

[Danny]

Yeah, I totally missed Monkey Island. Hope the next season has it, they should connect the Voodoo Lady with the island somehow. I also hope for more islands in the future btw.

[Icedhope]

there was no metal gear in metal gear solid 3

The shagohod could be considered a metal gear.

[coolsome]

The shagohod could be considered a metal gear.

it doesnt walk so not a metal gear XD (I dont think arsenal gear is a metal gear either)

[SubSidal]

No, it wasn't.
The only hint about it's location is that it takes five days of shipping to get the voodoo crate there from Scabb Island, and it takes "hours" for Guybrush to reach Dinky Island from LeChuck's fortress after being launched by the explosion.

Actually, it was. The first time there's an interlude at LeChuck's fortress a subtitle says "Somewhere off the coast of Monkey Island". So in MI2 we don't actually go to Monkey Island but at it's coast.

[Eduardo]

Actually, it was. The first time there's an interlude at LeChuck's fortress a subtitle says "Somewhere off the coast of Monkey Island". So in MI2 we don't actually go to Monkey Island but at it's coast.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2654/fortress.png

That's what appears when the Fortress first pops up, next scene is Largo speaking with the Voodo Priest (now that's a character that could return in a hypothetical Season 2).

[GuruGuru214]

Also, if it takes hours to reach Dinky Island from the fortress and Dinky really is an atoll off the coast of Monkey, the fortress can't be anywhere near Monkey.

[SHODANFreeman]

I always thought the concept of Lechuck having a fortress was completely idiotic.

[Falanca]

I always thought the concept of Lechuck having a fortress was completely idiotic.

Well... he's a villain. I love the fact that there is no other reason to give him a hugeass fortress.

[Vainamoinen]

there was no metal gear in metal gear solid 3 no zelda in links awakening and the real mortal kombat tournment was only in the first game

I think that's exactly the point. It's normal to name a series after its first part, even though the title might be a little misleading. The "Broken Sword" adventure series does a similar thing, I think.

Also, I've heard that there was no Prince of Persia in 2008's "Prince of Persia" ...oh, and, hopefully, there was no "American Pie" in "American Pie 2". Never saw the movies, though, and never will! ;)

Popular game titles must be named in the same way as their predecessors - it's a purchase incentive after all. No one would have bought the series if it was named "Tales of Flotsam Island"!

[Scrawffler]

I wasn't sure whether or not to assume that LeChuck's ship was in the same place it was in the first game (underneath Monkey Island).

[Ash735]

I wasn't sure whether or not to assume that LeChuck's ship was in the same place it was in the first game (underneath Monkey Island).

The Gulf of Melange Islands were in the background and Winslow found the ship easy, plus LeChuck had to be in the area due to the way it remained trashed and all Red Sky like.

Saying that, since the Rock of Gelato never gets mentioned again, perhaps LeChucks ship is near The Rock of Gelato??

[Leak]

Also, I've heard that there was no Prince of Persia in 2008's "Prince of Persia"...
Oh, there was a prince, but I'm not sure if they ever said what he was prince of...

But even worse - Unreal Tournament 3 didn't have a single tournament in it... :eek:

np: Monolake - Gobi 110° 35' South 45° 58' West (Gobi. The Desert EP)

[Bagge]

Actually, it was. The first time there's an interlude at LeChuck's fortress a subtitle says "Somewhere off the coast of Monkey Island". So in MI2 we don't actually go to Monkey Island but at it's coast.

You should check your facts before making specific claims like that. Nothing at all indicates that LeChuck's fortress is anywhere near Monkey Island.

[Ignatius]

What about LeChuck trying to open the Crossroads with the key to the Monkey Head?

To me thats the most direct connection (if any) to Monkey Island.

You know.....the monkey head was the entrance to those hellish caves....and monkeys also works as keys to open the crossroads.....and.....and....and i probably should stop babbling nonsense and go to sleep?

[Meems]

What about LeChuck trying to open the Crossroads with the key to the Monkey Head?


Wha? When did he try that?

Did I miss a chapter?

[Ignatius]

Wha? When did he try that?

Did I miss a chapter?


http://i47.tinypic.com/2d6lahw.jpg
There.
If thats not the monkey head key, then i dont know what is it.

[Andorxor]

Thats his hand,because Le'Chuck is really Ruffy from One Piece and he uses his gumgum powers to break into the crossroads

[xzodia]

but the monkey head key is blue...=P

[GaryCXJk]

Thats his hand,because Le'Chuck is really Ruffy from One Piece and he uses his gumgum powers to break into the crossroads
In official translations he's still called "Luffy".

[Rather Dashing]

In official translations he's still called "Luffy".
Either is an aceptable romanization of ルフィ. Generally either is acceptable, barring extraneous circumstances like the name being a play off of a word in another language. Even romanizations in the text itself is generally not reliable, because the Japanese can be...somewhat poor at romanizing their own language, and they can also be inconsistant(Akira Toriyama of Dragonball fame has spelled Goku as Gokuh, Goku, Gokou, and Gokuu in various chapter title pages and promitional media).

[wefeelgroove]

Personally, after spending the entire season exploring a completely new and different set of islands with little to no reference to past locations, I feel like Monkey Island just for the sake of having it would have felt a little forced. I figure that "Tales of Monkey Island" insinuates that these are stories set in the same universe.

And don't forget the sequel hook after the chapter 5 credits. Who says Monkey Island won't be in a future season?

[ATMachine]

I personally liked that the writers didn't shoehorn an unnecessary visit to Monkey Island into the storyline. Such a trip would've felt forced in for the sake of a callback to previous games, most likely. The MI2 team also deliberately avoided revisiting locations from MI1 and the game was much the better for it.

(First person to counter with "But CMI said..." gets a kick in the fundament. :mad: )

[Rather Dashing]

(First person to counter with "But CMI said..." gets a kick in the fundament. :mad: )
We at the VERY LEAST get to assume that the sequel to Tales will reveal that(*gasp!*) "______ WAS MONKEY ISLAND ALL ALONG!", in an idiotic and overly cartoony sequence which so heavily outweighs the good aspects of the game that it almost single-handedly ruins the whole thing.

[SHODANFreeman]

We at the VERY LEAST get to assume that the sequel to Tales will reveal that(*gasp!*) "______ WAS MONKEY ISLAND ALL ALONG!", in an idiotic and overly cartoony sequence which so heavily outweighs the good aspects of the game that it almost single-handedly ruins the whole thing.

Monkey Island 2 is the second worst Monkey Island game I've ever played.

[Rather Dashing]

Monkey Island 2 is the second worst Monkey Island game I've ever played.
...Okay?

I could say "I don't like rutabagas", but I'm not sure how that's relevant either.

[SHODANFreeman]

...Okay?

I could say "I don't like rutabagas", but I'm not sure how that's relevant either.

I also dislike rutabagas. And I once purchased a CD on ebay but never received it.

[StoutFiles]

there was no metal gear in metal gear solid 3 no zelda in links awakening and the real mortal kombat tournment was only in the first game


Shagohad(sp?) was a Metal Gear. It was the very first.

Zelda is mentioned at the beginning. She wasn't physically there though.

True about MK.

[SHODANFreeman]

Shagohad(sp?) was a Metal Gear. It was the very first.

Zelda is mentioned at the beginning. She wasn't physically there though.

True about MK.

Link's Awakening didn't even happen.

[GuruGuru214]

Zelda wasn't in Majora's Mask either, other than a memory. And the end of Link's Awakening happened.

Also, Samus drove the Metroid species to extinction but we're still calling that one Metroid, the only brothers in Super Smash Bros. are Mario, Luigi, and Popo (not to mention that Peach, Zelda, Samus, and Nana are girls), Kingdom Hearts didn't make an appearance in Chain of Memories, and they're all called Final Fantasy even though none of them are ever the last one.