Did someone say....

[Hyperkinetic_Martian]

...birthday?

I almost forgot that today (er, yesterday for some users by now) is Sam's birthday. And the ill-fated date of the cancellation of "Freelance Police". I've always chuckled at the irony :p

So happy birthday Sam! :D

First person who summons a Mariachi gets a cookie

I've also wondered as well : How did you guys decide the birthdays of the characters, as printed on the time cards in 205?

[Shwoo]

You're right, it is. And just four days before my birthday, too. That's how I can remember it. That and the fact that the date is written on a box in the office in Season One.

[Avistew]

Happy belated birthday, Sam!

[Secret Fawful]

Happy Birthday you old canine Shamus.

By the way, how does Sam have only one birthday a year if he's a dog?

[Shwoo]

I don't think dogs are allowed to warp the laws of physics by being born multiple times.

[Avistew]

Dogs have only one birthday a year. It's like people who are born on leap years (I meant on feb the 29th), their birthday is only ever four years but they celebrate four years at once.

[GinnyN]

Happy Birthday Sam ^^!

There's not equivalents? I mean, 1 Dog Year is like he was a human and lives 4 years, right? (Am I using actual words?)

[Secret Fawful]

I don't think dogs are allowed to warp the laws of physics by being born multiple times.

No, I mean, aren't their "years" significantly shorter?

[Scrawffler]

Happy birthday to Sam!

Hm, I wonder if dog years even apply to an anthropomorphic cartoon dog?

[Avistew]

More seriously, "dog years" are just an approximation. Their first year is like a human's first 20 years or something. Aren't they able to reproduce at about 6 months? That would make them around 15 human years, no?

But years are a way of counting time that doesn't depend on how long humans live (a year is a year whether you're male or female even though females statistically live longer), but on the earth revolving around the sun. The earth doesn't go faster for dogs, so no, they don't have more birthdays. But if you want to wish them a happy sixmonthiversary every six months or something, be my guest.

(And of course Sam and Max are different. They've outlived both their species' life expectancy by a lot, considering they're constantly portrayed as being around 30).

[Rather Dashing]

I've never liked dog years as an approximation either, mostly because it just doesn't work. Even in the broad strokes of the lifespan, a 15 year-old dog is 105, by this horribly simplified scale. While technically possible for humans I suppose, it's hardly as common as a dog that lasts 15 years. Also, the ages just don't work in terms of the way a dog actually ages, not even thinking about differences in breeds. The ratio changes over time, and isn't really something that can be put to a hard rule, especially for dogs as a whole(rather than a single breed).

[GinnyN]

It's just an aproximation to figure out how old a dog is quality speaking, instead of quantity. If a dog is 15 years, what's mean for the dog been 15 years old? It's like you were 60 years old. That it. Of course, the people who knows about dogs they do know this is innacurate and dogs are different of human, but, for people who has no idea, I think is alright.

[YoshiAngemon]

This might as well cover it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8CmXxHK_k)

[Avistew]

It's just an aproximation to figure out how old a dog is quality speaking, instead of quantity. If a dog is 15 years, what's mean for the dog been 15 years old? It's like you were 60 years old. That it. Of course, the people who knows about dogs they do know this is innacurate and dogs are different of human, but, for people who has no idea, I think is alright.

Except you're using a "1 year = 4 years" estimate while most people I've heard use a "1 year = 7 years" estimate.

[GinnyN]

Except you're using a "1 year = 4 years" estimate while most people I've heard use a "1 year = 7 years" estimate.

Yeah, I notice that too... I just checked with my sister and yes, I made a mistake. But anyway, the idea still remain, right?

right?

[Avistew]

Yeah, I notice that too... I just checked with my sister and yes, I made a mistake. But anyway, the idea still remain, right?

right?

Except that you'd be right that a 15 year old dog would be closer to 60 than 105. Okay, maybe more than 60, but still.

It's an approximation that works for only a few years, since before it's not enough (a one year-old dog is equivalent to more than a 7 year old human) and after it's too much (a 15 year old dog is younger than a 105 year old human).

I find it much easier to remember something like "dogs have a 15 year lifespan and mature at six months" or something. I might be wrong with the ages, I'm more of a cat person, but for cats that would be "cats mature at 6 months and live about 18 years". Here, now you know about how old a cat is compared to a human just by hearing an age (matures being "matures sexually", not "is a full-grown adult", by the way). Seems like a better way to estimate it than with a number that's only right half the time (if that much).

[Secret Fawful]

There's only one other explanation to solve this. Sam is a man in a dog suit.

[Avistew]

That explains so much. It's just their fetish or something. They like dressing up. Some people like dressing up as the opposite sex, some like wearing a giant dog suit, or a rabbit suit if they're a midget.

[Remolay]

Great, now you have got me thinking that Sam and Max are furries. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

[GinnyN]

Great, now you have got me thinking that Sam and Max are furries. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

At least you are getting that easier... really...

[Avistew]

Great, now you have got me thinking that Sam and Max are furries. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Well, they ARE furry.
Now I want to see fanart of them as humans.

[Remolay]

give me a couple of days...

But I'm giving max a white shirt and white pants in that case

[GinnyN]

Well, they ARE furry.
Now I want to see fanart of them as humans.

I WAS REFUSING DOING THAT SINCE I BECOME A FAN!

Now you are give me permition

[Remolay]

hey, I called it! It's my first chance to do fanart

[Avistew]

No need to argue, everyone is allowed to do their own. Or several of them.

[GinnyN]

hey, I called it! It's my first chance to do fanart

No one is stop you of doing it. Be my guest.

[Shwoo]

Now I want to see fanart of them as humans.
Did someone say fanart of them as humans (http://cheri-chan.deviantart.com/art/TEGAKI-WhatisthisIdon-teven-115178265)? There's a few around, but that's the one that captures the spirit the best, I think. I tried drawing Sam as a human, but it sucked and I suck.

Speaking of an opportunity to be self-deprecating, until recently I played Sam in a LiveJournal roleplay where all the characters have to be human, and another player drew a bunch of the characters including Sam, and here's the drawing (http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq154/CelloPhotos/INTERNETS/Landels/OKTOBERFEST%2009/8.jpg). And here's the post it was in (http://community.livejournal.com/damned_lounge/2002018.html) (image heavy). He's not wearing his normal outfit because that's another part of the roleplay's premise, but it is him.

I WAS REFUSING DOING THAT SINCE I BECOME A FAN!

Now you are give me permition
Do it do it do it.

[GinnyN]

Do it do it do it.

I warn you, my style is heavily infuenced by anime, and I'm a declared Sam fangirl: If I do him bishie as a dog, I don't know as a human...

[Chuck]

I've also wondered as well : How did you guys decide the birthdays of the characters, as printed on the time cards in 205?
Superball's is my brother's birthday.
Sam's is the date of the Freelance Police cancellation, as you mentioned.

The Soda Poppers I can't remember, actually. It was either the date that episode 102 was released on GameTap (since that's the date you travel to) or the date Season 1 was first released.

[GinnyN]

Superball's is my brother's birthday.
Sam's is the date of the Freelance Police cancellation, as you mentioned.

The Soda Poppers I can't remember, actually. It was either the date that episode 102 was released on GameTap (since that's the date you travel to) or the date Season 1 was first released.

I know that cannot be just coincidence!

[Hassat Hunter]

Great, now you have got me thinking that Sam and Max are furries. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Max: "You can kiss my cute furry bum, Sam"

I am pretty sure that (or something like it) is actually said to boot at some point somewhere 0_0.

[Shwoo]

I warn you, my style is heavily infuenced by anime, and I'm a declared Sam fangirl: If I do him bishie as a dog, I don't know as a human...
Doesn't matter whether a human Sam is attractive or not, as long as it feels like Sam. I'm asexual and can't find anyone attractive without having to think about it, but Sam's a dog. He could be as handsome as he claims he is for all we know.

Besides, I'm a big Sam fangirl too.

[Hyperkinetic_Martian]

This might as well cover it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8CmXxHK_k)

And we have a winner, ladies and gentlemen! *gives cookie*

I warn you, my style is heavily infuenced by anime, and I'm a declared Sam fangirl

That makes two of us! (three on the fangirl factor) Are you my long lost twin? :p

You know, I never really took into consideration the whole "dog year" thing. I guess his anthropomorphism translates for me as him being more "human" than "dog". Or the fur suit thing.

I prefer the former.

[Remolay]

warning before I post it, my fan art looks like crap, and Max is mad about it. I am not responsible for any Max related injuries you may receive.

(it's not quite done yet)

[Secret Fawful]

Did someone say fanart of them as humans (http://cheri-chan.deviantart.com/art/TEGAKI-WhatisthisIdon-teven-115178265)

Is it just me or do they look like clones of Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes. I like Sam's look the best.

BTW, after reading what Sam's birthday is, man. He has the worst birthday ever.

[Murray the Chao]

Did somebody say... birthday?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/MithosYggdrasil/Sam%20and%20Max/Mariachi.jpg

[GinnyN]

Here's we go. I guess (http://ginny-n.deviantart.com/art/SnN-I-have-five-Fingers-156509304)

[Cheri]

Did someone say fanart of them as humans (http://cheri-chan.deviantart.com/art/TEGAKI-WhatisthisIdon-teven-115178265)? There's a few around, but that's the one that captures the spirit the best, I think.

Never thought I'd see the day where my art was posted (and praised!) on a forum without me posting it. I'm flattered.

[GinnyN]

Never thought I'd see the day where my art was posted (and praised!) on a forum without me posting it. I'm flattered.

Heeehhhh WELCOME!

[Avistew]

Nice, Ginny :)

[Lena_P]

Here's we go. I guess (http://ginny-n.deviantart.com/art/SnN-I-have-five-Fingers-156509304)

Is it just me, or does Max actually look more adorable as a Human? It's probably just because he looks about 5, but still, great job :)

[Rather Dashing]

If I had any artistic skills, I'd likely go for more of a film noir style. But, well, this is the internet, and this is fanart, so what can ya do.

Otherwise, I dunno. I envision Max as more of a midget than a child. :P

[Remolay]

gah, I really want to see it but my parents wont let me on deviant art

[splash1]

gah, I really want to see it but my parents wont let me on deviant art

It's a frightening picture which describes Sam & Max as human teenagers, I wouldn't recommend viewing it... For your own safety.

[Avistew]

gah, I really want to see it but my parents wont let me on deviant art

Okay, that's just weird. It's only a website where people post their art, why wouldn't your parents let you on it? Are you not allowed on the fanart thread in this forum either?

[GinnyN]

I tried to keep their body structure while doing the desings, and Max has the structure of a small child, at least for me. He has a button nose, so I keep it, he has those childlike eyes, and I keep them too. The problem is, maybe, those traits are for Rabbits more than for humans, and for match those traits I reduced his age considerably. Anyway, my sister found Max scary for his teeth, so, probably we are also used to.

The only artistic licence I took was Sam's Eyes: Thanks for the resolution you can't notice, but one is blue and the other brown, just for the heck of it. We, somehow, knew about Max's Eyes colors, but not Sam's, and it's not that uncommon for dogs have two different colors, so, whathever.

[GinnyN]

gah, I really want to see it but my parents wont let me on deviant art

I didn't want to, but your parents are forcing me:

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/066/9/3/SnN___I_have_five_Fingers_by_Ginny_N.jpg

By the way, DeviantArt has a good adult filter, and it's for default for guests, so, I don't get it also. But, anyway, in a way, I understand.

[Remolay]

awesome. much better than mine for sure. I'll post it as soon as I can find my coloured pencils. my verson of max is angry at me for making them look like crap and has hair for his bunny ears

[Avistew]

I think it might be either the name, or a previous bad experience of some sort.

And I thought Max looking young was due to the style. Not that it's a problem that he looks like a child, I find it fitting.

[splash1]

And I thought Max looking young was due to the style. Not that it's a problem that he looks like a child, I find it fitting.

He reminds more of an overbearing 12 year old than a exetremely spastic 5 year old.

[GinnyN]

And I thought Max looking young was due to the style. Not that it's a problem that he looks like a child, I find it fitting.

Well... that too.

[Shwoo]

Here's we go. I guess (http://ginny-n.deviantart.com/art/SnN-I-have-five-Fingers-156509304)
That's not terrible at all. It's the other thing. Awesome.

Never thought I'd see the day where my art was posted (and praised!) on a forum without me posting it. I'm flattered.
I'm glad. I really like your Sam & Max art.

The only artistic licence I took was Sam's Eyes: Thanks for the resolution you can't notice, but one is blue and the other brown, just for the heck of it. We, somehow, knew about Max's Eyes colors, but not Sam's, and it's not that uncommon for dogs have two different colors, so, whathever.
I did that too. Then I found out that it's only common in dogs with speckled coats, not one solid colour like Sam is. I don't care, I still like it.

When is Max's eye colour mentions? I think if he was a human, his eyes would be blue or pink, because he appears to be albino, although there is a breed of rabbit that's white all over without being albino.

[GinnyN]

When is Max's eye colour mentions? I think if he was a human, his eyes would be blue or pink, because he appears to be albino, although there is a breed of rabbit that's white all over without being albino.

I read the mention in the Wiki, so, I don't know where. Anyway, in the Season 2 DVD Cover, his eyes are Red, so, red will be.

I did that too. Then I found out that it's only common in dogs with speckled coats, not one solid colour like Sam is. I don't care, I still like it.

To be fair, the only dog I knew with two eyes color was a stray one my mom feed on workdays (They come to work she said). She, the dog, has one eye white and the another brown. Later we discover that was actually the white one has Cataract and maybe she was actually blind in that eye. But I loved the idea the first time I hear it and I put them in any character I like and it's seem plausible of doing so (Fantasy races and dogs =P).

[Avistew]

I thought only Huskies had differently-coloured eyes, for some reason.
Either way, since it happens to humans, why not. Although since Sam has brown fur, I'd give him brown or black eyes, I think. That is, if I ever get down to drawing them as humans.

[GinnyN]

I thought only Huskies had differently-coloured eyes, for some reason.

She was that mixed breed which look a lot like a German Sheeper. Here we call it "Cop Breed".

Either way, since it happens to humans, why not. Although since Sam has brown fur, I'd give him brown or black eyes, I think. That is, if I ever get down to drawing them as humans.

I never knew about anyone or anything which is not normal for them to have black eyes. I guess the safer bet is brown eyes.

Edit: Now I think I know why Max looks so young: I also tried to keep his watermelon head shape!

[Hyperkinetic_Martian]

Edit: Now I think I know why Max looks so young: I also tried to keep his watermelon head shape!

Is it just me, or do characters with over-sized heads tend to appear (at the first impression at least) a bit more "childish" than those with small or normal-sized heads?

Oh, and I got to say that I really like your art GinnyN! ^^

[GinnyN]

Is it just me, or do characters with over-sized heads tend to appear (at the first impression at least) a bit more "childish" than those with small or normal-sized heads?

That it because childrens have big, rounded heads with big eyes. But I'm still concerned of why he looks so young... I mean, around 5? but how?

Oh, and I got to say that I really like your art GinnyN! ^^

Thanks you very much

[Avistew]

Is it just me, or do characters with over-sized heads tend to appear (at the first impression at least) a bit more "childish" than those with small or normal-sized heads?

That's normal. People's heads grow less than the rest of their body, so the head/body ratio is higher the younger you are.

[Hyperkinetic_Martian]

That it because childrens have big, rounded heads with big eyes. But I'm still concerned of why he looks so young... I mean, around 5? but how?



Thanks you very much

Hmmm.. Maybe by the laws of existence, Max is just adorable, regardless if he's in lagomorphic or human form..?

And you're very welcome ^^

That's normal. People's heads grow less than the rest of their body, so the head/body ratio is higher the younger you are.

At first I thought it was because of my unhealthy dosage of anime when I younger but now that I think about it, I think observations of both realms combined into my psyche :)