LeChuck's Revenge SE Cover Discussion

[PariahKing]

It needed to be done.

[Giant Tope]

thread of tears

[plrichard]

There is a God.

[PariahKing]

Blatantly Stolen Image from Below:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7624/mi2compare.jpg

[PariahKing]

thread of tearswailing and gnashing of teeth for all who enter

[Eduardo]

As mobygames doesn't allow hotlinking...

Original from http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/original-art/cover-art.shtml

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/original-art/lechucks-revenge/cover-art/lechucks-revenge_box_front_1600x2017.jpg

EDIT: And Joystiq still hasn't fixed the header I see.

[Rather Dashing]

EDIT: Okay, now it's done right..

[doodinthemood]

Wow... was anyone else forbidden from viewing the above link?
Not that it didn't work, but that it was FORBIDDEN!?

[Eduardo]

Oh, and this thread should have a poll. :)

[Laserschwert]

Do it right or don't do it at all:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7624/mi2compare.jpg

Funny how they made it more along the lines of my color scheme than the original with its brighter background:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/dos-games/1309-1.jpg

[PariahKing]

If you're going to put me in a box, you could at the very least make sure the pictures on the wall are of higher quality. I made sure to include high-resolution pictures that didn't have the gamma or whatever all out of whack in my numbered post, so you could at the very least just quote that.Give me five seconds to fix it, I'm already on it.

And you deserve this box, all life was in peril of being ended over that argument.

EDIT: Or I'll rob LS, that'll work too.

[OzzieMonkey]

What matters is the game itself, and as far as I'm concerned, the game looks fantastic and much more faithful to the original. Personally, there was only one thing I didn't like about the first SE, and that was the long pauses between lines of dialogue, but even that can be fixed just by switching to the original game and speeding up the subtitles, then going back to the SE.

I also thought that the poster looks fine, an besides, its a bloody poster! I'm not very strict when it comes to things like this, but still, I think it looks really good.

[Spadge]

As previously said, massive fail. ;)
That said, the new cover only sucks compared to the original. On it's own it's ok.

[Eduardo]

Did we really need a third thread????

[plrichard]

Ugh. Can we just let this go?

[PariahKing]

Do it right or don't do it at all:This cover incites anger, hatred and claims of serious business.

[OzzieMonkey]

PariahKing, I see your thread and raise you this
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15367

[PariahKing]

cancel MI2:SE

we're not worthy

[plrichard]

PariahKing, I see your thread and raise you this
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15367

No, you just went out of your way to clog up the boards.

[PariahKing]

The cover is bad on purpose

it's a promotional scheme

look what terror it has caused

[iambecomedeath7]

And you deserve this box, all life was in peril of being ended over that argument.


By the Great Chain! Thank mercy that you gave him this box. I would hate for all of my efforts in my great city to have been for naught. For what it's worth, I and everyone around me prefer the 'classic' box art. Anyone who prefers the redesign either has a finger in your pocket... or a pistol at your neck.

[OzzieMonkey]

cancel MI2:SE

we're not worthy

I didn't mean to make you feel that way, I just wanted to point out that as long as the game is good, and the original cover doesn't get removed from the Earth, it doesn't make a huge impact. Now, how do I delete this thread?

[PariahKing]

PariahKing, I see your thread and raise you this
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15367that opinion def. could not have fit into this thread

[doodinthemood]

Official Thread of the Month Award.

[iambecomedeath7]

that opinion def. could not have fit into this thread

PariahKing... did the word 'definitely' REALLY need to be abbreviated? Really? Laziness is a trait of the Parasite.

[OzzieMonkey]

Official Thread of the Month Award.

huh? Oh, and you can ban be in the banning game for expressing my opinion, by which I make everyone on this forum angry. I feel bad for starting up this thread. Please, don't cancel the SE, for goodness dake!

[PariahKing]

I didn't mean to make you feel that way, I just wanted to point out that as long as the game is good, and the original cover doesn't get removed from the Earth, it doesn't make a huge impact. Now, how do I delete this thread?It's more of a commentary on the situation than you.

[Jake]

Merged both threads into this one. Hi guys.

[Giant Tope]

Now that I look at the pics from side to side, I notice that the only problem I really have with it could be fixed if guybrush's chin was lifted a wee bit higher and have his hands placed higher on his head. Otherwise, I'm good with it. Hell, I'm good with it already.

I didn't grow up playing this game like a lot of you guys seem to have, so I guess I don't have nostalgia to factor in.

Merged both threads into this one. Hi guys.
hi

[PariahKing]

Merged both threads into this one. Hi guys.<33

[iambecomedeath7]

Merged both threads into this one. Hi guys.


But... but the Parasites... :(

[OzzieMonkey]

I am really confused now. Are people mad at me? I need to know, so I can get rid of my stupid posts.

[Fealiks]

The new cover is awesome. It's not perfect, but it's awesome. I shall refer you all to my diagram:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l167/Fealiks/opinion-1.jpg

[MusicallyInspired]

wailing and gnashing of teeth for all who enter

What, this thread or the whole message board?

[Spadge]

A wise man* once** said: "If it takes less than 2 minutes to fix something via Photoshop, that thing is not a problem, it's a gripe."


______________
*- That would be me.
**- That would be now.

[harlequ1n]

I can't believe how much the new art sucks... I hope it's a joke or something.

[Chyron8472]

@Fealiks

1) your diagram is too large

2) your diagram is too large

3) it needs numbers and/or percentages or something, and some indication of what it's a diagram about

[Friar]

For something that merely acts as a banner which i'll see once or twice when buying the gam, i think it's alright. However, it looks too much like an in-game screenshot. The original cover was a piece of artwork.

[Brainiac]

This cover incites anger, hatred and claims of serious business.

Thus proving TV Tropes was right when they mentioned Telltale's Monkey Island series and the forum presence it created under "Fan Dumb."

[Eduardo]

Oh, this keeps getting fun and fun. What's next, someone submits this to Fandom Wank?

[CaptKevinKID]

Do it right or don't do it at all:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7624/mi2compare.jpg

Funny how they made it more along the lines of my color scheme than the original with its brighter background:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/dos-games/1309-1.jpg

If you think about it the original MI2LCR game looked nothing like the cover of the box, at least this MI2LCR SE looks like the game your playing or going to play this Summer.

[LuigiHann]

http://up.ppy.sh/files/awesome2.png

;)

[MusicallyInspired]

Hah! I lold.

[Kroms]

Haha, someone should make that into a YTMND with a Vanilla Ice song.

[MonkeyMania]

This is what happened.
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/423/mi2comparelocke.jpg

[Ripcord]

Page 2 has more pathetic whinging than the rest of the week's posts combined =)

Holy crap, people =)

[Giant Tope]

I hope nobody's taking Pariah King's sarcasm seriously.

[Hayden]

Just to put in my two pence/cents, I don't mind the cover. Yes, it could be better, but it's not awful, it's not even bad. It's different, and if your going to alter the amazing piece of artwork that the cover of LeChuck's Revenge is to such a degree, then there will of course be minor problems with it and small differences that people are bound to complain about. It's unavoidable. Yes, the cover has problems, but they're not worth redoing the cover all over again for. If they do redo it, then that's fine and hats off to them, but it's not a priority and it isn't essential that they do so. I say we just deal with it.

[Ripcord]

I hope nobody's taking Pariah King's sarcasm seriously.

No, PK's stuff is funny. Many of the other comments are some of the nerdliest nerding I've seen on the Internet for quite a while. That's the ENTIRE INTERNET, which is FULL OF NERDING.

[Giant Tope]

I didn't see anything particularly nerdy. Or at least anything more than usual.

[doodinthemood]

I am really confused now. Are people mad at me? I need to know, so I can get rid of my stupid posts.

They aren't mad at you. Just some of them are jealous of you getting that award.

[parabolee]

This SE looks FANTASTIC! Really really amazing, they improved EVERYTHING from the first SE, well except the cover art, I have to agree with the whiners on this one. It is a horrible insult to the original cover by Purcell.

The main issue is Guybrush's face! Although the whole thing pails in comparison to the beauty of Purcell's artwork. I have the original printed and framed in my house (thanks to Laserschwert)

The first SE cover was pretty bad too (mainly because of Guybrush's hair), so just like I did with that (http://flat-life.com/temp/Monkey-Island-SE-Poster-LSEdition-800.jpg), I took the liberty to fix/improve the cover :)

http://flat-life.com/images/monkeyisland2SE-fixed.jpg

Much better I think :)

But don't get me wrong, I'm not super upset by this. It's a downloadable game anyway and we will always have the original art, it's just a shame it's so poor in comparison to the great work done on the in game sprites and backgrounds, which all look fantastic to me.

EDIT: Link to a 3-way comparison (original, SE then my "fixed/improved" version). (http://flat-life.com/images/3way-money2.jpg)

[PariahKing]

I hope nobody's taking Pariah King's sarcasm seriously.I'm taking it seriously

...

Mathematically Named User, I like your cover fix.

[Hayden]

Wow, parabolee, you've done a great job on that!

[Friar]

Wow, parabolee, you've done a great job on that!

Yeah, it's amazing how effective just changing the filter can be! (and of course, changing guybrush).

[MusicallyInspired]

As long as we're changing stuff, I think there's a problem with LeChuck's face as well, though I have no idea what it could be. I'm no artist. Something just seems off.

[parabolee]

As long as we're changing stuff, I think there's a problem with LeChuck's face as well, though I have no idea what it could be. I'm no artist. Something just seems off.

Funny you should mention that because I was just about to post my v2 with some small improvements, the main one being LeChuck's face :-D

http://flat-life.com/images/monkeyisland2SE-fixedv2.jpg

And that 3-way again with the v2. (http://flat-life.com/images/3way-money2.jpg)

[MusicallyInspired]

Hmmm I'm not sure if it's necessarily the colour tone that needs changing. Just the facial features themselves.

[JedExodus]

But if it's a digital download it won't actually have a cover ;)

[Friar]

But if it's a digital download it won't actually have a cover ;) Quiet you.;)

I think Lechucks problem is that he's too angular.

[Laserschwert]

(thanks to Lasershwartz)
Or whatever...

[Didero]

That improved cover looks great!
I do have one suggestion: Don't save the image as JPEG. Every time you save an image like that, the quality is reduced a bit. You can already see some JPEG artifacts starting to appear just above LeChuck's head, among other places.
Try saving the image as PNG. The file may become a bit larger, but not by much, and at least the great quality of the image will be preserved.
Other than that, like I said, great cover! :)

[MusicallyInspired]

@JedExodus: Welcome to 36 hours ago.

[Sheepbrush]

LeChuck's beard look a little bit like Lego but otherwise it's good.

[Fealiks]

I just took the cover into photoshop and tried to mend LeChuck's face a little bit. I made it scarier/less goofy looking (and less simplistic and angular too). It's a bit sketchy (there are a couple of rough bits/weird brush strokes), but I only spent like 10 minutes on it to see what it'd be like :P

Here's a side-by-side comparison:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1423/lechuckcomparison.png

Unfortunately though, I'm not sure whether it fits in with the rest of the cover, but meh:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2701/lechuckfixcopy.png

I have to say though, LA's cover could have been a lot worse. I'm still pretty happy with it.


Edit: Nice cover, Parabolee! Feel free to mess around with my LeChuck to your heart's content :p

[parabolee]

That improved cover looks great!
I do have one suggestion: Don't save the image as JPEG. Every time you save an image like that, the quality is reduced a bit. You can already see some JPEG artifacts starting to appear just above LeChuck's head, among other places.
Try saving the image as PNG. The file may become a bit larger, but not by much, and at least the great quality of the image will be preserved.
Other than that, like I said, great cover! :)

Thanks

Well the artifacts are from the original (made worse by the crosshatch filer). I'm editing from PSD, so there are no losses from the original. I can export at higher quality if you like. Wait...done.

http://flat-life.com/images/monkeyisland2SE-fixedv2.jpg

Oh and Laserschwert, my bad, spelling fixed :)

[Avistew]

You guys are great.
I love the modified LeChuck face, do you think you could tinker a little bit with the beard too?

[Spadge]

I tried my own little edits. (See the attached image.)
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1211&d=1268423158

[parabolee]

I just took the cover into photoshop and tried to mend LeChuck's face a little bit. I made it scarier/less goofy looking (and less simplistic and angular too). It's a bit sketchy (there are a couple of rough bits/weird brush strokes), but I only spent like 10 minutes on it to see what it'd be like :P

I have to say though, LA's cover could have been a lot worse. I'm still pretty happy with it.


Edit: Nice cover, Parabolee! Feel free to mess around with my LeChuck to your heart's content :p

Nice work yourself. I have added in your new face and made a few more changes so it's fits in with mine. NOW we are getting somewhere. Sad thing is we will have to do this all again when we get our grubby mits on a nice HD version, then we can make some wallpapers :-D

http://flat-life.com/images/monkeyisland2SE-fixedv3.jpg

Oh and updated 3 headed version for comparison fetishists. (http://flat-life.com/images/3way-money2.jpg)

[Death Starfish]

I plan on using Paint Shop Pro to make a version of this cover art with no text, so I can display it alongside my original MI2 boxart poster (which also has no text, it is just the image). I very much like the idea of both posters side-by-side, old and new respectively.

Though I'm fairly adept at image manipulation, if someone else more skilled than I can find/create a non-text version of this art I'd be indebted.

I'm gonna make a start on it tonight. If my attempts are anywhere close to satsfactory I'll be sure to post it on these forums.

[parabolee]

I plan on using Paint Shop Pro to make a version of this cover art with no text, so I can display it alongside my original MI2 boxart poster (which also has no text, it is just the image). I very much like the idea of both posters side-by-side, old and new respectively.

Though I'm fairly adept at image manipulation, if someone else more skilled than I can find/create a non-text version of this art I'd be indebted.

I'm gonna make a start on it tonight. If my attempts are anywhere close to satsfactory I'll be sure to post it on these forums.

I would wait for a HD version if I were you. This one is too low resolution for printing.

[MusicallyInspired]

THIS is MUCH better! Use this face!

I still say his skin colour shouldn't change. Keep him green.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1423/lechuckcomparison.png

[Avistew]

Okay, I'd take parabolee's work on the new cover but with LeChuck in green. And the new LeChuck face from Fealiks. And not the parts that come from the old cover, I think if we're taking bits of the old cover might as well use the old cover directly, you know?
Then add Spadge's monkey and possibly his LeChuck's eyes.

I think GB still needs more work though.

[Rather Dashing]

I tried my own little edits. (See the attached image.)
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1211&d=1268423158
LOVE what you did to the monkey there. It's amazing how that relatively minor adjustment totally changes the little guy's tone.

[Fealiks]

I took on avistew's advice and re-did the beard (I didn't think it would work at first, but I think it's made the face fit in a little better). I also went over and made the face a little better (including adding things like eyebrows and Purcell's ear-ring).

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1372/lechuckfix2comparison.png

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/7941/lechuckfix2.png

[Avistew]

Okay, that new LeChuck looks really great.

[MusicallyInspired]

Doesn't look right with his eyes looking at the doll. Liked it better when he was looking at the screen.

[Giant Tope]

You know, the more you fiddle with the pic, the less it looks like the art style of the actual game, which is completely missing the point.

[Fealiks]

Doesn't look right with his eyes looking at the doll. Liked it better when he was looking at the screen.

Hang on, I'll try it like that.

[Fealiks]

Eyes looking at doll:
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/7941/lechuckfix2.png
Eyes from original:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6582/lechuckfix2comparisoney.png

[parabolee]

Cool I'll add to mine tomorrow.

Great work on the beard!

[Otis]

lose the eyebrows, he looks like an owl with them

[parabolee]

You know, the more you fiddle with the pic, the less it looks like the art style of the actual game, which is completely missing the point.

Well he original cover didn't match the game either so...

[Fealiks]

Plus, fiddling with the art is incredibly fun :P

[Giant Tope]

Well he original cover didn't match the game either so...

*facepalm*

[Avistew]

I like the version looking at the doll rather than the screen, but I find the teeth a bit too neatly lined up. I liked the broken one, and the fact that some were bigger than others, and that they were a bit apart.

Also I'm curious if there is a way you can add the monkey Spadge did, too.

[MusicallyInspired]

The original artwork wasn't looking at the doll either. Which is why doing so looks weird to me.

[Fealiks]

I like the version looking at the doll rather than the screen, but I find the teeth a bit too neatly lined up. I liked the broken one, and the fact that some were bigger than others, and that they were a bit apart.

Also I'm curious if there is a way you can add the monkey Spadge did, too.

I redid the teeth because I thought it made him look more fierce. That's the main problem I had with the original MI2SE boxart; LeChuck didn't look as angry/scary/fierce as I would have liked him to, and the action/emotion of the scene was lost. I would imagine that LeChuck is shouting in that scene, and stabbing the voodoo doll with genuine anger, but in the MI2SE boxart, he just kind of looks like a generic cartoon villain, just hangin' out and being villainous.

I might try to make Guybrush's face better tomorrow, because I feel that some action/emotion was lost there too.

I generally just feel kind of like the serious overtones of MI2 were compromised in the MI2SE boxart, but that's just my opinion (I still liked it per se).

[Fealiks]

The original artwork wasn't looking at the doll either. Which is why doing so looks weird to me.

I'm pretty sure Purcell's LeChuck was looking at the doll (or that might just be my interpretation of it?)

[Avistew]

Honestly, if I was about to stab a voodoo doll, I'd make sure to look at it so I don't stab my hand instead.
It doesn't make sense to me that he wouldn't be looking at the doll.

[MonkeyMania]

I'm working on a CMI version.

[Fealiks]

Honestly, if I was about to stab a voodoo doll, I'd make sure to look at it so I don't stab my hand instead.
It doesn't make sense to me that he wouldn't be looking at the doll.

Well, here's the problem as I see it.

In Purcell's cover, LeChuck was holding the doll a foot or two in front of his face, and his eyes were pointed in that direction. In the MI2SE version, however, LeChuck is holding it closer to his body, but the artist still referred to Purcell's cover for the direction of the eyes, meaning that MI2SE LeChuck was looking at Purcell-cover's doll rather than his own - only a very slight difference but it bugged me a bit.

I'm working on a CMI version.

Oooh, can't wait :D

[MusicallyInspired]

Are you sure? I was almost positive the old LeChuck was looking straight at the "camera" in a "I'm about to stab this voodoo doll with great fierocity! What are YOU gonna do abouf it?" A quick glance at the first page of this thread will solve this. Perhaps my memory is faulty...

[Fealiks]

I'm pretty sure he's looking at the doll, but maybe you're right :p

[MusicallyInspired]

Looking at it again you're probably right. Or at least you could take it either way. That's the way I've been looking at it since I was a kid, though.

[taumel]

Already said that it looks too flat and rushed, makes you thinking when they are doing a Lego game. The new face looks a lot more scary.

[Irishmile]

Photoshopping is fun
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4928/97864038.jpg

[Fealiks]

Nice, your beard looks a lot more like the original. I used the MI2SE beard as a guide for mine.

[Barnabus]

I don't get the big problem. Obviously the new cover isn't in the same league as the original when taken as a self-contained piece of art. But I don't think it's even trying to compete. It's not a replacement for the original art, it's a tribute that unlike the original quite accurately reflects the art style you'll find in the actual game. Certainly nowhere near as horrible as the first special edition cover.

[Edward VanHelgen]

yes barnabus, but the discussision won't harm anyone right? i mean, if someone really hates this thread - and i think there are very well constructed arguments and interesting things to read here, then maybe its the best not to pay attention to thread at all :D

[Edgy_McSpoon]

I might as well add my two cents into this, since I have a tiny slice of time to do so.

The reason why I was taken aback by the remade boxart was not only because it derived itself from an already successful piece of work, but because they found a need to do so without the proper eye for composition. Argue all you like about whether a download-based game needs boxart, but with the way Steam's new UI is going and (in my opinion) the possibility of releasing these on a collectors DVD, cover art means a lot for promotional purposes.

Let's address the main reason they would re-do the original artwork for MI:SE2: to match the style of the game. Sure, I get that, and they did it for the last SE too, that one I didn't have too much of a problem with, I still prefer Steve's original, but the remake wasn't too shabby. Matching artwork to display the game's highly stylized interpretation is a good thing, if done properly. However, given the "need" to remake a cover and then creating something that upsets the few of us, shouldn't be closed off from our opinions.

Now, the renditions people are creating, imo, are no better or worse than the remade cover. It isn't just about the lack of details, in fact, I am intrigued by the stylized choices made by the artist. This is about the overall impact and impression it leaves on people, whether or not they've seen the original artwork.

Steve created something that was alive and active in the original composition, but the remade version feels dead. Guybrush cups his hands around his ears and bends his knees, but doesn't come across as upset. LeChuck holds a voodoo doll so loosely it looks like he's just there posing for a photograph. The whole impression it looks like is someone just took the original and was more concerned about sticking elements in their relevant places without taking time to understand or work out how to make the same elements feel the same.

The positioning of the elements, the choice to skew elements, it's almost as if the artist was just looking at was there and not WHY it was there. There is a similar issue in classical animation, where if the finished line is not done properly, it will lack all life that the rough animation had. The same can be said about the remade copy. Sure, the location of elements is similar, but the overall shape and composition has changed drastically. I personally think that the new design could be redone to be made better, just with a better focus on how those elements work.

Does this post or thread seem overboard to artists and non-artists not moved by the change? Perhaps. Whatever way the new box art will be used is irrelevant to the argument I am making. For this is a promotional element that LucasArts chose to release officially, and that it should be open to opinion from those of us who are concerned about the stylization. This does not impact my overall opinion of the new game's style, as I'll be interested in seeing how it works in upcoming videos and the actual game.

However, I do want to wish one last thing, and that would be either to redo the redone artwork or release another piece of art with the new title on it. Either option is most likely financially impossible, but with such an awesome original cover that MI:2 had, I think it's a disservice to create such a lifeless rendition.

[parabolee]

I don't get the big problem. Obviously the new cover isn't in the same league as the original when taken as a self-contained piece of art. But I don't think it's even trying to compete. It's not a replacement for the original art, it's a tribute that unlike the original quite accurately reflects the art style you'll find in the actual game. Certainly nowhere near as horrible as the first special edition cover.

I'd agre with this, and I did say that I at least did not think it was a big deal. But that Guybrush face is so bad. And now I've seen Fealiks LeChuck it's hard to look at the new one.

But truth be told, I don't care, the SE looks amazing and I'll always have Purcell's cover. Which is incidentally my favourite video game cover of all time, which is probably why the new one hurts my heart so much to look at it.

[Irishmile]

I actually do not mind the SE cover... obviously its not as good as Steve's but come on Purcell is like a Demigod ... think Heracles if instead of being strong he was good at art.

I just like playing around in photoshop..

[parabolee]

I actually do not mind the SE cover... obviously its not as good as Steve's but come on Purcell is like a Demigod ... think Heracles if instead of being strong he was good at art.

I just like playing around in photoshop..

I mostly agree (especially about Steve), but the SE looks so damned amazing, and such an improvement over the original (because of the originals technical limitations of course, not because the new art is better than what Steve could do in HD) it's such a shame the cover is so much lesser than the original.

Not a huge deal, and I agree it's also because Photoshop is fun. But for myself, I would like a version of the SE cover I can look at and not wince.

With the Guybrush head swap, the brushstroke filter and the improved LeChuck, I have that. And I'm happy. I don't think I am going to do any more on it though until we get a HD version to work with. Then I'll go crazy making it perfect. And it's just for me, I share it on the forums in case anyone else likes it. And it's fun to collaborate on something among MI fans.

At the end of the day I have nothing to do but drool over the few screens we have of MI2 SE until they release it. This gives me an outlet. Although I should be working lol! I just want a kickass SE wallpaper :-D

[LuigiHann]

Don't worry guys, I got this one

http://up.ppy.sh/files/ithinkifixedit.png

[light_rises]

^ ... I can't stop laughing. That never happens. Never.

Here, LuigiHann, have an internet.

[MusicallyInspired]

Hahaha that's great. That SMI:SE Guybrush face is going to become a meme.

[OzzieMonkey]

Don't worry guys, I got this one

http://up.ppy.sh/files/ithinkifixedit.png

Lol. It looks like guybrush is actually 'putting on' his head.

[SHODANFreeman]

Hahaha that's great. That SMI:SE Guybrush face is going to become a meme.

Not anymore, now it'd be forced and thus lame. :(

[taumel]

I don't get the big problem. Obviously the new cover isn't in the same league as the original when taken as a self-contained piece of art. But I don't think it's even trying to compete. It's not a replacement for the original art, it's a tribute that unlike the original quite accurately reflects the art style you'll find in the actual game. Certainly nowhere near as horrible as the first special edition cover.
I agree that this time it looks better and less annoying but the part that still confuses me is why don't they spend a world class game some world class art? Is the budget really so tight? Especially with the success they had with the first second edition, although i'm more thinking of the ingame graphics but as the cover results from that...

[Fealiks]

I agree with most of what Edgy McSpoon said. My main problem with the SE cover art was that the emotion, the drama and the "mid-action" sense from the original have all been dulled down. Faces convey a lot of emotion, and I think that (along with the lighting) the stylized faces of the new one lose a lot of emotion.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm still very happy with the special edition cover. The first time I saw it, it made me really excited. This is in no way a "fuck you" to the original SE cover artist because I think they did a pretty good job overall, there are just things they could have done better.

And, like parabolee said, this is mainly for my own amusement. I think it's important in a community that we can do collaborative stuff like this, and it's fun for the individual to do things like this in photoshop (or gimp or dogwaffle... I don't discriminate :p). If the original artist happens to see any of this, I don't want them to think "oh crap, the fans hate my art" because that's not it at all. I mean, look at Purcell's cover and how Laserschwert altered that - was that a slight against Purcell? I think not. Granted, that was slightly different since he was editing the published versions rather than the art itself, but the fact remains that you don't have to be enraged by something to want to change it.

[Irishmile]

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6449/fixedit.jpg

[Rather Dashing]

Okay, THAT got some out-loud laughter from me.

[Jen Kollic]

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6449/fixedit.jpg

The only way that image could be improved would be if you gave that hairstyle to all the skull-headed pins as well. And the monkey holding the '2' in the title.

[Hayden]

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6449/fixedit.jpg

Horrifyingly excellent :D!

[Fealiks]

THAT should be the new official cover.

[Hayden]

No, no it shouldn't.

[Irishmile]

I do think its hilarious that the first thing we all complain about with the special editions is hairdos and beards... Lucasarts must think we are all nuts... But really this is a franchise that includes pirate barbers they should know better...

I kind of hope they continue this trend with future Special Editions... I hope they give Bernard a Kid n Play flat top if they make Maniac Mansion a SE.

[Edward VanHelgen]

Luigi and Irishmile, you are my gods

[light_rises]

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6449/fixedit.jpg

... And thus this thread takes its turn for the awesome and jackknifes into a turn for the transcendent.

With that bit of gratuitous hyperbole out of the way, I bestow upon Irishmile an internet as well. May you use it well.

[Hayden]

May you use it well.

What good would that do?

[Irishmile]

Thank you, I broke my last one

[Irishmile]

This was requested
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4788/mi2she.jpg

[Majus]

Thanks man!

[Secret Fawful]

This was requested
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4788/mi2she.jpg

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/2009/03/11/470_354_ice.jpg

Hmmm...

[Laserschwert]

:cool:

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

Brilliant. You win this blue ribbon.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/vO/blue-ribbon-1108-lg.jpg

[Fealiks]

When is MI2:LR:SHE being released? I need to save up.

[Avistew]

When is MI2:LR:SHE being released? I need to save up.

Quick, everyone! Make a gender-bender version of the cover!

(Special Hair Edition, I know).

[LuigiHann]

No points awarded until you make LeChuck's beard into giant, upside-down Guybrush hair

[Chyron8472]

Blue Ribbon indeed. I was LOL'ing IRL for a while after seeing that "box art." :D

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7798/47351091.png



EDIT: Hey, wait! You forgot to give hair to the monkey holding the 2 in the title!

[Duate]

is there going to be a boxed version? of either special edition?

i like to have boxes of games, and i havent seen any for the SE yet

do i have to make my own?!

[MusicallyInspired]

do i have to make my own?!

For now, yes. There are no plans for any physical releases yet.

[Chyron8472]

is there going to be a boxed version? of either special edition?

i like to have boxes of games, and i havent seen any for the SE yet

do i have to make my own?!


Well...

Secret Special Edition is coming to the Telltale Store, from what I hear.

I don't know where his information comes from, but if it's true, then I would hazard a bet that Telltale would sell hardcopies.

[parabolee]

Well...



I don't know where his information comes from, but if it's true, then I would hazard a bet that Telltale would sell hardcopies.

Man that would be awesome! Well it would if they got Steve Purcell to do a Limited Edition cover for it!

[PecanBlue]

This was requested
HAIR

This made me laugh to tears, well played sir.

[Duate]

i'm gunna make some boxes today then!

unless i dont

[Chyron8472]

okay, so back on topic...

I like this alot.

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/470/32912962.png

[SM_Unlimited]

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/470/32912962.png

Thats so much better than the darwinian version of lechuck!

[PariahKing]

okay, so back on topic...

I like this alot.

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/470/32912962.pngCould the uncropped version of this be posted, please?

[parabolee]

Could the uncropped version of this be posted, please?

I'll post it tomorrow, although note that is the older version of Guybrush (some fixes to hair/head done later). Also I'm fine with the original beard, but Fealiks version does look great.

Really waiting for a HD version to work with :)

[MonkeyMania]

The monkey is like, "Aww, poor voodoo doll Guybrush."

[SHODANFreeman]

Really waiting for a HD version to work with :)

http://www.mixnmojo.com/galleries/527/full20100310224600.png ?

[Chyron8472]

I'll post it tomorrow

It's tomorrow now. Hop to it! Chop, chop! :D

[parabolee]

http://www.mixnmojo.com/galleries/527/full20100310224600.png ?

Thanks :)

[Fealiks]

I'm working on my own version of the cover art at the minute. It's based on Purcell's art but with more nods to the in-game sprites (I drew it from scratch though). I'm not sure whether to post it in this thread or the art thread when it's finished, though (which won't be for a while probably).

[Rather Dashing]

I'm working on my own version of the cover art at the minute. It's based on Purcell's art but with more nods to the in-game sprites (I drew it from scratch though). I'm not sure whether to post it in this thread or the art thread when it's finished, though (which won't be for a while probably).
Both!

[Chyron8472]

Maybe you should post it here as you work on it, and then put the final product on the Art thread when you're done.

That is to say, I'm all for taking the time to make it look good, but I'm also impatient to know how it's going. :)

[Fealiks]

Sounds good to me.

Here's a work-in-progress, then:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1448/lechucksrevengewip1.png
I've changed a couple of minor details and got the flat colours in now with some shading, though, so this is more what it looked like a couple of days ago when I started it than right now. I don't feel like posting any coloured stuff yet, though... :P

[Chyron8472]

I like this alot.

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/470/32912962.png

Could the uncropped version of this be posted, please?

Really waiting for a HD version to work with :)

http://www.mixnmojo.com/galleries/527/full20100310224600.png ?

Okay, so can someone fix the HD image to make it look like the above one? I'm not that adept at photoshop, really but I'd love to have decent boxart for the game.

[parabolee]

Oh yeah. My bad. Did this already. Just forgot to post. I'll do it monday for sure (it's at work).

[Steve2911]

I think it looks great. Sure LeChuck's face doesn't look as insanely awesome as the original did, but since they're using the new art style I think they did a pretty damn good job.

[Silverwolfpet]

Sorry for not checking the forums as often as I once did... boy, did I miss some cool stuff.

I was holding my tummy, trying not to fall of my chair, while laughing, when I saw the brilliant cover with Guybrush's head changed, and afterward the entire hairdo of all the characters.

If the population of our entire planet was made out of people like you, all of you on this forum, there wouldn't be any hunger, or wars or conflicts.... and most likely we'd all be very very thin due to all that laughter.

Brilliant!

[Everlast]

Is that an Orc shaman Lv80???

HORDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[youmaycallmemurray]

LOL at the "hair edition"

now about this improved
2 things: he looks like the grinch. trim the eyebrows and change the nose to more skeletal. Add Mustache (see the original, he got some hair under the nose).

[MonkeyMania]

LeChuck's 5th form revealed!

Orc LeChuck!

[Chyron8472]

he looks like the grinch.

I lol'd at that, but hey it's true! :)

[MonkeyMania]

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1193825645_1.jpg

[Chyron8472]

okay, since no one has updated the Cover Art recently, I'm going to upload what I liked most about what we've done to it so far, after having found the source art on the net. ( http://www.joystiq.com/photos/money-island-2-special-edition-lechucks-revenge/#2790024 )

First, the original art:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7607/mi2secover.png


UPDATES:
--Monkey's eyes focused on LeChuck (Spadge)
--LeChuck: improved face and beard (Fealiks)
--Old School Guybrush head, hands and visible torso [Parabolee (touch-ups by Chyron8472)]

NOTE: I have two updated versions, since some people like LeChuck's eyes focused toward the camera, and I like them focused on the doll (Fealiks)....



Eyes on camera:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6308/mi2secoveredited2.png



Eyes on the doll:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3364/mi2secoveredited1.png



...btw, here's Purcell's art again:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4926/lechucksrevengeboxfrontt.jpg

[Laserschwert]

Fantastic work... only the contrast on the contours of Guybrush's head is a little too strong. But LeChuck looks great!

And I've noticed that they've used the needle skulls from Purcell's original...

[Chyron8472]

Fixed (hopefully.)
Before ............................................. After
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3673/gbexample2.pnghttp://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1164/gbexample1.png


How's this? Any more edits needed?




EDIT: btw, I never noticed until just now that Purcell's art has "PURCELL" carved into the side of the ship, just below Guybrush's right foot (your left, his right).

[Laserschwert]

Nah, still not right... his eyebrows aren't supposed to be that dark... or his beard... or the shadow under his hair.

It should be just a little darker than http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/866/mi21000.jpg.

[Griswald Goodsoup]

Okay I'm sold, but how do you approah LA and ask "pretty please" can you change the boxart to fit this LCR:SE rendered boxart?

I'd personally like to see this art on the boxart (if we ever get a box to put it in) as opposed to models of the characters directly taken from the game.
At least changing it would be a greater tip of the hat to Purcell in my opinion...

[baardhimself]

it's pretty amazing that in 19 years, with all the technology and advancements.. the art is worse. technology is no replacement for taste I guess.

Purcell rules.

[zhebrica]

technology is no replacement for taste

You said it.

[dthoupis]

Nothing can beat hand drawn animation.

[MonkeyMania]

Nothing can beat hand drawn animation.

Ditto.

[MonkeyMania]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FbFu1YBZ-Hw/S9FukHZd-2I/AAAAAAAAAgw/Pb9SErcdDJ4/s1600/LeChuckComp.jpg

[MusicallyInspired]

Good move getting rid of Elaine in that pic. She sticks out like a sore thumb. And Guybrush looks like a stiff and he's toppling over. Still, it's interesting to see the differences between a rough concept and a final product.

[MonkeyMania]

It looked like Guybrush was going "Oh no! Elaine is here!"

[Avistew]

And LeChuck kinda looks like he's going "Oh, crap."

[Majus]

And the doll is like »Let’s scram guys, I know the way!«

[Giant Tope]

Has anyone noticed that elaine is wearing guybrush's curse outfit?

[Irishmile]

It looked like Guybrush was going "Oh no! Elaine is here!"

And LeChuck kinda looks like he's going "Oh, crap."

And the doll is like »Let’s scram guys, I know the way!«

I said, Hey honey,
Take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls say,
Doo do doo do doo do do doo

[Avistew]

And the doll is like »Let’s scram guys, I know the way!«

I have to ask about your quotation marks. Is that how they're written in German? They look like French quotation marks, except you seem to be using the closing ones to open the quote and the opening ones to close the quote.

[Majus]

I have to ask about your quotation marks. Is that how they're written in German? They look like French quotation marks, except you seem to be using the closing ones to open the quote and the opening ones to close the quote.

Yeah, we use »…« as well as „…“, though I think the latter is more common. But »…« are my favorite. I mean, it totally looks rad.

[Laserschwert]

And still, it's only #2 ... see what I did there? *teehee*

[guitarsareboring]

I thought the original was fine until I saw these edits. We have some fantastic artists on this board - LeChuck's beard looks amazing now.

[Fealiks]

I forgot about this thread. Seeing the concept for the finished design in its rough form makes me wonder what the other concepts would look like had they been finished and painted properly - especially the one with the close-up of LeChuck.

I thought the original was fine until I saw these edits. We have some fantastic artists on this board - LeChuck's beard looks amazing now.

I re-made* the whole thing in my own style. If you're put off by disgraceful, flagrant self-promotion, close your eyes now.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9995/lechucksrevengesmall.png

I have a slighty higher res version that I uploaded to imageshack, but it seems to have died. If anyone wants me to reupload it, paste the lyrics to "kiss from a rose" just ask.

*That is, made a tribute to the original painting because I enjoyed re-doing LeChuck's face for this thread. Not intended to replace the special edition art or anything (not that it could anyway since the setting is kind of spoilery)

[Irishmile]

Has anyone noticed that elaine is wearing guybrush's curse outfit?

Awe that's cute my wife wears my t-shirts to bed sometimes

[Fealiks]

Awe that's cute my wife wears my t-shirts to bed sometimes

This isn't cute though... it's a man wearing the clothes of the girl who, as yet, has rejected his constant begging and stalking. I guess it worked, though, because she did end up accepting his proposal while he was wearing her clothes.

[Fury]

The new cover art looks good. It's faithful to the original and it shows off the new art scheme.

They couldn't have done it any differently lol.

[Hayden]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FbFu1YBZ-Hw/S9FukHZd-2I/AAAAAAAAAgw/Pb9SErcdDJ4/s1600/LeChuckComp.jpg

There's no massive clump of feathers sticking out of LeChuck's hat either.

Edit: Speaking of the feather, am I the only one that looks like a crow crash-landed inside his hat?


Edit 2: Was that intended? Because I'm sure I see a beak and an eye, and it is clearly a dead bird in the following piece of concept by Steve Purcell:

http://www.wiggler.gr/wp-content/steve-purcell-mi-cap.jpg

[Thriftweed Fancy Pants]

Yeah, I don't think the dead crow in his hat has ever been explained to me. But I like it.

[Hayden]

Yeah, I don't think the dead crow in his hat has ever been explained to me. But I like it.

As do I, it just reflects LeChuck's (for want of better words) unfanciness, filthiness, carelessness and ruthlessness perfectly.

[Laserschwert]

Was that intended?

Have you actually read the blog-post?

Here, of course, is the comp for the final LeChuck's Revenge painting. Looks like I hadn't yet thought of the idea of the dead bird plume and what is Elaine doing there besides looking like a man? It appears I reversed the values of the clouds and sky for additional eeriness and tried punching up the phoney baloney lighting on the figures. All in all a handy exercise I guess.

So it was something Purcell thought up after the concept. (or someone else did, but I doubt it was accidentally painted in ;) )

[Hayden]

Have you actually read the blog-post?

...

So it was something Purcell thought up after the concept. (or someone else did, but I doubt it was accidentally painted in ;) )

Ah, thanks. For what it's worth, I prettymuch always read the blog post of a piece of artwork, but in this case I did not.

[Bagge]

Has anyone noticed that elaine is wearing guybrush's curse outfit?

It's the same outfit she's wearing on the SMI cover.

[Giant Tope]

It's similar, but not the same. Either way, it was just a silly observation.

[Bagge]

You mean she's go two sets of white shirts with puffy arms, red bandana and sash, black vests and black pants? You must have some inside information about her wardrobe, I guess.

[Giant Tope]

Whereas the vest in the original is a closed one, the one in the concept is open. As well as the fact that she's not wearing a bandanna around her neck in the concept either. I'm just saying it ain't the exact same. Chill a bit. I wasn't trying to be abrasive.