Overrated Video Games: Your Opinions

[Chyron8472]

What game(s) have you played, that you felt got really good reviews or quite a bit of hype, but when you played it, it turned out to be boring, underimpressive, or just suck?




I've been listening to the Zelda: Twilight Princess OST (one of my favorite games) and it got me thinking. I bought a ps2slim two years ago, and since then had been looking around for good games and such when I came across a game called Shadow of the Colossus.

In reviews of this game that I read/watched, about every one I can remember said it was awesome, epic, and "kind of like Zelda with just boss battles and no item collection." Well, I bought the game from GameStop at some point and though it didn't suck exactly, I just wasn't all that impressed. Sure, there are no load times, the scenery is pretty and the colossi are fricken huge, but that's about all there is to it. At some point in the game, I stopped killing them for a while and just wandered around trying random things like standing on the horse's back and jumping into the air to grab on to a bird (which serves no purpose) just to make the game longer.

Maybe I'm underimpressed because I played Shadow of the Colossus after Twilight Princess came out (which I mention because people compare the two) when it actually was released a year before, and so I felt the graphics in Zelda were better anyway and didn't see the point in all the hype. Not to mention I was bored with Colossus's storyline, or lack thereof.

[Hassat Hunter]

Oh, I think it's harder to ask which games aren't... a few examples:

Oblivion
Half Life
Half Life 2
Halo
Diablo II
Warcraft III
Portal
BioShock

Also, funny, an "overratted" game ;):
Deus Ex
Hopefully Sam & Max season 3?

[Astro Gnocci]

I hate this word. Overrated.
Everything's overrated.

[Ray-The-Sun]

Pokemon D/P/P. I just don't get why those games are so "OMGBRILLIANT".

And what overrated games list is complete without the Call of Duty series?

[Chyron8472]

I hate this word. Overrated.
Everything's overrated.


Well... thanks for the input. -.-


I meant specifically, what game or games might you have personally played that you were told were fricken awesome and all that, but you just didn't like it when you actually got down to playing it.

[Falanca]

And what overrated games list is complete without the Call of Duty series?

Amen.

I'll add Pro Evolution Soccer, FIFA, NBA Live and Madden series to the list.

[PecanBlue]

I'd go for Halo as well, and the Final Fantasy series. ESPECIALLY 7.

Also, Ocarina of Time. Now hold on, that doesn't mean it isn't an excellent game, but when a new Zelda game comes out everyone seems to want to compare it to that one and I don't think that's fair nor do I think it should be the one to set the best example of how a Zelda game should be done.

[Falanca]

I'd go for Halo as well, and the Final Fantasy series. ESPECIALLY 7.

I like 7. I DO know it has so many flaws and I can see that the main anxiety behind the game was MONEY but... Tifa's my favorite character >->

I hate 8. I totally despise 8. It's even more overrated IMO.

[Avistew]

I'd go for Halo as well, and the Final Fantasy series. ESPECIALLY 7.

Also, Ocarina of Time. Now hold on, that doesn't mean it isn't an excellent game, but when a new Zelda game comes out everyone seems to want to compare it to that one and I don't think that's fair nor do I think it should be the one to set the best example of how a Zelda game should be done.

Agreed on both. I loved FF up until 7 and then didn't even play them until 12. I just didn't like 7 and it annoys me how it's the one people keep calling the best.

As for Ocarina of Time, I loved the game, and didn't think it overrated when I first played it (or second, or third), but I agree that people seem to consider it the ultimate Zelda games or something and I feel there have been better Zelda games both before and since.

[Ray-The-Sun]

I hate 8. I totally despise 8. It's even more overrated IMO.

There was an 8? I just believed it skipped from VII to IX instantly and there CERTAINLY couldn't have been a terrible game where the main character is a wussy emo who used an impossible weapon, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't have been riddled with plot holes, and the main character CERTAINLY wouldn't have died and then become a live again in a totally different location with no mention of it afterwards. I mean, a game like that would be AWFUL :rolleyes:

Super Paper Mario indefinitely. The game is ok, But it wasn't a colourful RPG like the prior two- instead, it was a gimmicky platformer.

[guitarsareboring]

Halo, without a doubt. Did nothing for me.

[roberttitus]

It is ironic that you mention Twilight Princess, because that is totally it for me... I beat the water temple & just said screw it.

Now on a personal level & not media buzz kinda thing, I would have to say Sonic 06 (The worst game ever made in my opinion). I was quite naively expecting it to be Sonic Adventure 3. I mean the team thing from Sonic Heroes (which I hated) was gone, it had an overworld which you could explore between stages (much Like SA1 *my favorite Sonic game* had), There were single character stories (once again similar to SA1) instead of the good or evil paths (the style in which SA2 used... I love the game itself, but the way the story was handled always annoyed me), the graphics were great (for the time)... I mean what could go wrong? Well besides the terrible control, camera & level design absolutely nothing.

[Falanca]

There was an 8? I just believed it skipped from VII to IX instantly and there CERTAINLY couldn't have been a terrible game where the main character is a wussy emo who used an impossible weapon, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't have been riddled with plot holes, and the main character CERTAINLY wouldn't have died and then become a live again in a totally different location with no mention of it afterwards. I mean, a game like that would be AWFUL :rolleyes:

Super Paper Mario indefinitely. The game is ok, but it's not, by any standards, a zany RPG with a host of weird characters who all have bright and colourful sprites (this a key thing- all of the new characters in SPM are made with nothing but basic shapes)

In-DEED.

But still I think the idea of the gunblade is pretty great and it would be nice to see if it was used correctly. You know, like in a sitcom or something.

[roberttitus]

There was an 8? I just believed it skipped from VII to IX instantly and there CERTAINLY couldn't have been a terrible game where the main character is a wussy emo who used an impossible weapon, and it CERTAINLY wouldn't have been riddled with plot holes, and the main character CERTAINLY wouldn't have died and then become a live again in a totally different location with no mention of it afterwards. I mean, a game like that would be AWFUL

FFVIII destroys VII any day of the week. I would say it is the 4th best in the series, behind VI, IV & IX.

[Wizpig]

Shadow of the Colossus =/= Zelda.

Different games, so when you say it's overrated in your opinion I say you are completely wrong and played it the wrong way.
And I also say reviewers and reviews are laughable matters.

Also, of course, SotC is far more innovative and ground breaking to videogames than Twilight Princess - which anyway has still some of the best dungeons in the series.

[Falanca]

FFVIII destroys VII any day of the week. I would say it is the 4th best in the series, behind VI, IV & IX.

I would like to have an argument about that but it'll be pointless since personal taste is an involving aspect so I'll just say this;



:(

[Brainiac]

I didn't mind FF8 all that much. Of course, having a PocketStation with which to basically disregard the Junction System probably helped.

[JedExodus]

And what overrated games list is complete without the Call of Duty series?

I'm gonna be the forum meathead and stick up for CoD for the sake of Devils Advocate. If anything i'd say there's a big ol' backlash against the franchise. It sells well because people like it, and for ages it was the media darling, but now everyone's bitching about it (whilst still playing it, the Stimulus DLC sold like crazy on Xbox Live)

My point, outside of personal opinion when you've got those sales numbers and player numbers that Infinity Ward have then it's probably not that overrated.

Though I understand the many many valid reasons why people don't like the franchise, ye just have to swuitch off and have fun at the end of the day to enjoy it I think.

I think a lot of indie games aren't exactly overrated, but I think opinion tends to be a lot more lenient on them than big studios. Wether this is good or bad is a whole different kettle of fish

[Trenchfoot]

The Force Unleashed. C'mon, is not THAT good. It's entertaining, but after the first three levels I got bored because it was so incredible repetitive: Kill everyone, first boss, kill everyone again, second boss, kill everything you see and final boss.

[Will]

Oh god, Shadow of the Colossus was SO GOOD. And Ico. Seriously, I can't wait for Trico. SERIOUSLY.

[Secret Fawful]

The Force Unleashed. C'mon, is not THAT good. It's entertaining, but after the first three levels I got bored because it was so incredible repetitive: Kill everyone, first boss, kill everyone again, second boss, kill everything you see and final boss.

Hey, its just like an FPS!

For me I have to say most modern FPS like Gears of War or Modern Warfare, as well as the entire GTA series. It's boring. Drive around, do some stuff you don't care about, blow some stuff up, shoot people, meh. Boring. I had more fun playing Simpsons Hit and Run than I did playing GTA 4. Oh, and Super Mario RPG. While it's great, don't get me wrong, plenty of better Mario RPGs have come down the pike by now and it's hardly still the greatest among them.

[Chyron8472]

Shadow of the Colossus =/= Zelda.

Also, of course, SotC is far more innovative and ground breaking to videogames than Twilight Princess - which anyway has still some of the best dungeons in the series.

People compared the two in the store and in reviews so I'm gonna mention that.


Also, I don't CARE about "innovative" and "groundbreaking." I didn't play it until 2008, and by then I had already played other games with similar or better graphics.

Innovative and groundbreaking... hmph. I've seen movies that won academy awards for being innovative and groundbreaking, yet they still sucked. I'm not playing games merely for artistic value.

The only dialogue is from the "gods" which tell you what Colossus to kill next. You have the ability to ride your horse in different ways (hanging from the side, standing on it or crouching on it) yet they never have a use so it doesn't matter. The colossi are huge, but the difficulty lies in learning the right tactic to kill them. Actually doing it is easy so replayability is low. AND I hadn't played Ico before playing SotC, so I had to look up in Wikipedia what the ending to SotC was all about. By itself the ending is, though unexpected, kind of a letdown.

idk about playing it after playing Ico (for which it's said to be a "spirital prequel" not a direct one), but as a standalone game, the story is weak and the game is short once you know the right tactics.


Suffice it to say, I bought it from GameStop, beat it in a few days and then took it back for a different game. And I didn't even no-life playing it at all. It really is that short. It might be a good rental, but it certainly is not a good game to buy.

[Rather Dashing]

Most overrated games? I could make posts that are paragraphs long about each of these, so I'll just go against my nature and post a list.

1. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
2. Fallout 3
3. Day of the Tentacle
4. Curse of Monkey Island
5. World of Warcraft
6. Scribblenauts
7. LittleBigPlanet
8. Bioshock
9. Animal Crossing
10. Harvest Moon

[wefeelgroove]

I really didn't enjoy Indigo Prophecy very much, even before the story started wandering into WTF territory. It felt more like I was just steering the characters from one cutscene to the next instead of playing a game, and the whole "move your mouse this way to simulate opening a door!" schtick didn't make me feel very immersed. I eventually got stuck at this one quicktime event and discovered that a bug in the PC version made it all but impossible to pass, so I gave up and watched a walkthrough on Youtube instead. I am infinitely glad I did, because holy cow does it get bad. All in all I can see the potential it had to be revolutionary and genre-breaking and worthy of glowing praise, but I think it fell flat.

[Hassat Hunter]

I eventually got stuck at this one quicktime event and discovered that a bug in the PC version made it all but impossible to pass
Odd... I completed the PC version 3 times... on hard.

[wefeelgroove]

The part I got stuck at was the snowstorm in the apartment. No matter how quickly and perfectly I did the quicktime events the game would just randomly decide that I didn't do them right and I would fail. It got really frustrating really fast. :(

[PecanBlue]

5. World of Warcraft

Oh god yes, and so many other MMO's. I remember when I had the trial for World of Warcraft and finally decided to try it. My friend was all "NO DON'T DO IT, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU" and I said "relax, how addictive can it possibly be?" So I loaded it up...

I ran around and button mashed a few things to death, then sat in a pumpkin patch and went "hmmm, yep" and logged out. That was that.

Oh and Persona 3. My friends wouldn't stop talking about this damn game. Thus I am playing it RIGHT NOW so I can get to playing the supposedly superior Persona 4. Now the story can get pretty interesting and it has hilarious moments, (holy crap you have a knife-wielding dog for a party member) but the gameplay is so horrid. Normally I dislike mostly all other turn-based rpg's but at least some of them have interesting settings. Tartarus is soooo boring to explore and the full moon bosses are nothing special.

[Katsuro]

People compared the two in the store and in reviews so I'm gonna mention that.


Also, I don't CARE about "innovative" and "groundbreaking." I didn't play it until 2008, and by then I had already played other games with similar or better graphics.

Innovative and groundbreaking... hmph. I've seen movies that won academy awards for being innovative and groundbreaking, yet they still sucked. I'm not playing games merely for artistic value.

The only dialogue is from the "gods" which tell you what Colossus to kill next. You have the ability to ride your horse in different ways (hanging from the side, standing on it or crouching on it) yet they never have a use so it doesn't matter. The colossi are huge, but the difficulty lies in learning the right tactic to kill them. Actually doing it is easy so replayability is low. AND I hadn't played Ico before playing SotC, so I had to look up in Wikipedia what the ending to SotC was all about. By itself the ending is, though unexpected, kind of a letdown.

idk about playing it after playing Ico (for which it's said to be a "spirital prequel" not a direct one), but as a standalone game, the story is weak and the game is short once you know the right tactics.


Suffice it to say, I bought it from GameStop, beat it in a few days and then took it back for a different game. And I didn't even no-life playing it at all. It really is that short. It might be a good rental, but it certainly is not a good game to buy.


I mean clearly if you played it 2008 for the first time, of course there were games with better graphics! That doesn't stop people like me from loving Megaman 2 though. It might not be your taste, but ignoring what the game did in the time it was released is a bit harsh
Also you have to know where the focus point of this game is. For me it always seemed that the main focus of this game is exploration and epic battles. You can basically go everywhere you like. Even better, in the second playthrough you can get even more power ups and items which will help you explore even more. This is the replayability, along with trying to fight them as fast as possible.
It never seemed really fair to me to compare it to Zelda, only because there was a boy on a horse wielding a sword. That would be like me comparing Silent Ocean (that diving game for the Wii) with Tomb Raider.

Also they different poses on the horse DO have a use. If you strife for killing those bosses as fast as possible, you need ways to get from your horse to the weak point of that enemy very fast. Those poses do help a lot with that.

[Spadge]

My pick? Fallout 3. I actually wanted to say Command and Conquer 4, but thankfully so far no one is overrating that game apart from its makers and I don't think that counts.

[GaryCXJk]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Super Smash Bros. Melee even more. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though, it's just that it's really overrated.

[Dead Man]

There many games are overrated like :


Bioshock
Resistance
Yakuza
Resident Evil 5

[Falanca]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Super Smash Bros. Melee even more. Doesn't mean they aren't fun, though, it's just that it's really overrated.

I would say Brawl is even underrated. Not so many gamers care Wii anymore so Brawl kinda bit the dust.

I mean lots of people buying it, playing it, I know that but, I can't see the hype I expected.

[roberttitus]

most overrated games? I could make posts that are paragraphs long about each of these, so i'll just go against my nature and post a list.

1. Elder scrolls iv: Oblivion
2. Fallout 3
7. Littlebigplanet
9. Animal crossing

blasphemy!!!

[roberttitus]

there many games are overrated like :


Yakuza

EVEN BIGGER BLASPHEMY!!!

If anything, Yakuza is heavily underrated. Hell, I couldn't name 2 other people in my general area who have played any of them.

[Falanca]

5. World of Warcraft

You've kind of won my heart.

[Rather Dashing]

blasphemy!!!
Fallout 3 is a hairy, puss-filled blemish in the series history. Not to say the series doesn't have its blemishes already(Tactics, Brotherhood of Steel), but Bethesda's installment is hardly a return to form. It's a piss-easy, limited RPG with very few customization options outside of "Max Out Everything". Eventually, when you are given EVERYTHING, you have no options. Also, the story sucked on its own terms while screwing up an established canon that was actually good and well thought-out. And that's before the expansions, each and every one acting as a punch in the balls to anyone who actually likes the Fallout series.

Very much a similar deal with Oblivion. What happened, Bethesda? You did great things with Daggerfall and Morrowind. And then OBLIVION came out, and I honestly stopped caring about the Elder Scrolls franchise.

Also, nobody can hate or dislike World of Warcraft and in the same breath think that Animal Crossing is worth a damn.

LittleBigPlanet is my most liked on that list. I just don't think it's a "game" so much as a "software toy". A pretty competently put-together toy, but it's so rare to find good user-made levels. Because a lot of the users are idiots that flood the level space with crap.

[Hassat Hunter]

The part I got stuck at was the snowstorm in the apartment. No matter how quickly and perfectly I did the quicktime events the game would just randomly decide that I didn't do them right and I would fail. It got really frustrating really fast. :(
Well, it was difficult, more so than most other minigames there, true, but nowhere near impossible.
I assume you mean that one left-right button mash one, that required you to be very fast?

[PecanBlue]

Also, nobody can hate or dislike World of Warcraft and in the same breath think that Animal Crossing is worth a damn.

I can. What are you going to do now Mr. Philosopher?

[roberttitus]

Dude... just because a series gets widespread popularity doesn't mean that it sucks. I get that some people think that being underground is cool & liking anything mainstream is a crime against humanity (I think that philosophy is idiotic personally, but to each there own), but if you honestly think that just because Bethesda "screwed up the canon" that Fallout 3 sucked, then you are crazy. I played 2 before 3 even came out & thought it was the biggest piece of garbage that I had ever played (enter Sonic 06)... as a matter of fact, the only reason that I even considered playing it is that I loved the Elder Scrolls series & was hoping it would be similar (thankfully it was). This is why it is so hard to work with established IPs... there will always be at least one bitter fanboy who will claim the game sucks just because one little detail doesn't add up. That being said, I do admire Telltale for having the balls to work exclusively with other people's shit... I mean it has to be disheartening to hear your games

[roberttitus]

suck just because of one small detail of the story is off (& this is coming from a heavy critic).

On another important note... You wanted to know how someone could dislike WoW & like Animal Crossing? Really? Well for starters Animal Crossing is a casual, calm & relaxing single player game (with the option of inviting your friends into your town for multiplayer) whereas WoW is a life consuming, anger inducing MMO game where 45 year old men pretend to be hot 18 year old chicks just so they can live out there weird sexual fetish of dirty talking to young men over the internet.... there is a BIG difference

[Rather Dashing]

Dude... just because a series gets widespread popularity doesn't mean that it sucks. I get that some people think that being underground is cool & liking anything mainstream is a crime against humanity (I think that philosophy is idiotic personally, but to each there own), but if you honestly think that just because Bethesda "screwed up the canon" that Fallout 3 sucked, then you are crazy. I played 2 before 3 even came out & thought it was the biggest piece of garbage that I had ever played (enter Sonic 06)... as a matter of fact, the only reason that I even considered playing it is that I loved the Elder Scrolls series & was hoping it would be similar (thankfully it was). This is why it is so hard to work with established IPs... there will always be at least one bitter fanboy who will claim the game sucks just because one little detail doesn't add up. That being said, I do admire Telltale for having the balls to work exclusively with other people's shit... I mean it has to be disheartening to hear your games
No, it doesn't suck because it sold a lot of copies, it doesn't suck ONLY because it fucked with a canon that is INTELLIGENT and WELL-ESTABLISHED(though it's certainly a huge detraction). It sucks because it's easy, because the idiots that play Fallout 3 can't stand a game that has any measure of challenge. It sucks because the story is insanely weak and full of plot-holes even when you DON'T consider the rest of the series. It sucks because EVERY CHARACTER you make will play EXACTLY THE SAME no matter how hard you work to differentiate them, and that's inexcusable in an RPG. It sucks because it cuts off the ability to kill off quest-important characters, destroying a level of freedom that was a huge part of the original Fallouts and Morrowind. It sucks because it's insanely linear. It sucks because it takes factions with BELIEVABLE motives and turns them into heroic fantasy knights in shining armor. It sucks because playing on Insanity actually made the game EASIER because it barely affected combat and it insanely supercharged your leveling. It sucks because the [Intelligence]-dependent responses are always your character REPEATING WHAT THE NON-PLAYER CHARACTER SAID in layman's terms. Great, so just in case you were way too stupid to understand the very simple exposition given, an Intelligent character can explain it to you, I guess. They don't get to have any intelligent revelations or ideas, they're just parrots. Fallout 3 sucks because dialog is insipidly basic. Fallout 3 sucks because the combat is STUPID, compared to Fallout 1 and 2's intelligent grid-based tactical combat. Fallout 3 sucks.

Why yes, the MAIN REASON the game sucks is that it takes what is a well-known and beloved franchise and replaces it with something that has only passing, cosmetic similarities to it. That tends to make something a HORRIBLE SEQUEL in almost anybody's eyes. And no, not in the tiny details. The entire moral of the story is raped by Mothership Zeta's audio logs. The very character of the Brotherhood of Steel is changed completely. The black humor is almost completely removed in favor of something a lot safer. The core values of atmosphere, of how the stories are told, of how the game is played? EVERYTHING. No, it's only in the small details that you find something that was done even remotely right.

But it's also a terrible game in its own right.

[Comrade Pants]

No, it doesn't suck because it sold a lot of copies, it doesn't suck ONLY because it fucked with a canon that is INTELLIGENT and WELL-ESTABLISHED(though it's certainly a huge detraction). It sucks because it's easy, because the idiots that play Fallout 3 can't stand a game that has any measure of challenge. It sucks because the story is insanely weak and full of plot-holes even when you DON'T consider the rest of the series. It sucks because EVERY CHARACTER you make will play EXACTLY THE SAME no matter how hard you work to differentiate them, and that's inexcusable in an RPG. It sucks because it cuts off the ability to kill off quest-important characters, destroying a level of freedom that was a huge part of the original Fallouts and Morrowind. It sucks because it's insanely linear. It sucks because it takes factions with BELIEVABLE motives and turns them into heroic fantasy knights in shining armor. It sucks because playing on Insanity actually made the game EASIER because it barely affected combat and it insanely supercharged your leveling. It sucks because the [Intelligence]-dependent responses are always your character REPEATING WHAT THE NON-PLAYER CHARACTER SAID in layman's terms. Great, so just in case you were way too stupid to understand the very simple exposition given, an Intelligent character can explain it to you, I guess. They don't get to have any intelligent revelations or ideas, they're just parrots. Fallout 3 sucks because dialog is insipidly basic. Fallout 3 sucks because the combat is STUPID, compared to Fallout 1 and 2's intelligent grid-based tactical combat. Fallout 3 sucks.



Why yes, the MAIN REASON the game sucks is that it takes what is a well-known and beloved franchise and replaces it with something that has only passing, cosmetic similarities to it. That tends to make something a HORRIBLE SEQUEL in almost anybody's eyes. And no, not in the tiny details. The entire moral of the story is raped by Mothership Zeta's audio logs. The very character of the Brotherhood of Steel is changed completely. The black humor is almost completely removed in favor of something a lot safer. The core values of atmosphere, of how the stories are told, of how the game is played? EVERYTHING. No, it's only in the small details that you find something that was done even remotely right.

But it's also a terrible game in its own right.

So... no high hopes for New Vegas? It said my post wasn't long enough, so here's some filler.

[Rather Dashing]

So... no high hopes for New Vegas? It said my post wasn't long enough, so here's some filler.
I have TREMENDOUSLY high hopes for New Vegas. Obsidian is on it, so anything that is actually finished will be excellent, from the point of game mechanics and writing. Writing especially, because Chris Avellone, writer of Fallout 2 and the very best writer in the gaming industry is on this one. There is going to be a hardcore difficulty mode that has realistic survival conditions and difficult gameplay. I'm EXCITED.

[roberttitus]

You weren't lying when you called yourself forum dickhead. See, there is a difference between stating the reasons you dislike a game (much like I did in the thread about the IGN score of the Penal Zone) & blatantly calling someone an idiot multiple times for disagreeing with you tastes.

[Rather Dashing]

You weren't lying when you called yourself forum dickhead. See, there is a difference between stating the reasons you dislike a game (much like I did in the thread about the IGN score of the Penal Zone) & blatantly calling someone an idiot multiple times for disagreeing with you tastes.
Hardly. Any disparaging comments about intelligence are the obvious implications of the DEVELOPER'S OPINION OF THE PLAYER. Bethesda treats the player like a moron, and it's INSULTING. Granted, I have no idea how an intelligent person COULD enjoy what is essentially hour after hour of being insulted by the product you paid for, but I'm not going to judge the person. I'll just think their tastes are extremely poor.

[PariahKing]

I think Sam and Max is both good yet overrated.

[DoctorCello]

Oh and Persona 3. My friends wouldn't stop talking about this damn game. Thus I am playing it RIGHT NOW so I can get to playing the supposedly superior Persona 4. Now the story can get pretty interesting and it has hilarious moments, (holy crap you have a knife-wielding dog for a party member) but the gameplay is so horrid. Normally I dislike mostly all other turn-based rpg's but at least some of them have interesting settings. Tartarus is soooo boring to explore and the full moon bosses are nothing special.

Yeeeeeeeeah uh. I'm not really sure why you played Persona 3 if you don't like turn-based RPGs. While I absolutely LOVED that game for a variety of reasons (deceptively simple battle system, great art design, super catchy music, BABYBABYBABYBABY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9E3VR8Fnj0), characters I cared about, etc.), it really is a game just for people who are used to turn-based RPGs. However, if you still want to try Persona 4, go ahead! The games all take place in the same world, but the stories are completely separate, so there's no need to beat Persona 3 in order to 'get' Persona 4. Also, there is definitely a wider variety of environments (each dungeon is themed around a victim's inner turmoil, which is pretty interesting by itself), so maybe that'll be more to your fancy.

Back to the subject at hand, I've, uh... Actually, I don't think I've ever played a game that I thought was overrated. Sure, I've played games that I didn't like as much as most people did, but in all such cases I felt like it was more my problem than the game's. Take most 3D fighters other than Soul Calibur. For some reason, I just can't get into games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter. However, these are games that a lot of people enjoy for whatever reason, and who am I to deny their appeal? If something is really popular, it's popular for a reason, you know? I'm not going to judge other people's tastes just because they like Halo or whatever (which, by the way, I've never played myself, and I'm not really sure how many people who claim to hate 'Halo' have either).

[Giant Tope]

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[Chyron8472]

It sucks because EVERY CHARACTER you make will play EXACTLY THE SAME no matter how hard you work to differentiate them, and that's inexcusable in an RPG.

There must be a lot of RPGs out there that piss you off then, because quite a lot of them do this as long as you grind enough levels.


I think Sam and Max is both good yet overrated.

Overrated by whom? Having only learned about the TTG Sam & Max games after ToMI was accounced, I really haven't read up on any of the ratings or media/gamer hype that Sam & Max have recieved besides what people may say on these forums (which I find to be a biased source,) so I don't know in what way the Sam & Max games wouldn't living up to expectations.

Can you give an example as to why?

[PariahKing]

Overrated by whom? I haven't read up on any of the ratings or media/gamer hype that Sa & Max have recieved besides what people may say on these forums (which I find to be a biased source,) so I don't know in what way the Sam & Max games wouldn't living up to expectations.

Can you give an example as to why?Internet adventures that focus on adventure gamery stuff.

I think it's a good series, but the stories lack cohesiveness to make them really, really great in my opinion. That's a major flaw.

Don't get me wrong, I still bought S1 and S2 and enjoyed them.

[Rather Dashing]

There must be a lot of RPGs out there that piss you off then, because quite a few of them do this as long as you grind enough levels.
At least for the majority of RPGs, maxing everything is such an obscene time-sink that growing into a new trade is hard enough that starting a new character is a far more efficient way to start a new playstyle. Also, it's not only that you can grind your way up to something super powerful: Fallout 3's characters have stats that for the most part literally do not matter. A character that I try VERY HARD to make suck by understanding the value of each stat and actively trying to go against them will play almost exactly the same as a character that is built with statistics in mind. Compare this to Fallout 1 and 2, in which a character with an Intelligence of less than 4 would be unable to even obtain the majority of quests because he's such a bumbling retard that he can't communicate properly. And yet, you know, you were free to do that. A proper RPG should say that the player is free to screw up. If you can't get serious consequences by screwing up, your choices have no weight or importance, because the game is holding your hand to make sure you can't fail: the game feels like you aren't smart enough to make your own decisions. "Oh, you don't want to do that. I made that quest person immortal so you don't accidentally kill him. Oh, you want to hold onto that. No, there is no reason you'd want to let go of that item. Oh, you don't want to make that character. I won't change it for you, but don't worry, I'm not going to punish you for it either."

[PariahKing]

help my avatar is being crushed by a wall of text ^^^

[Secret Fawful]

Hardly. Any disparaging comments about intelligence are the obvious implications of the DEVELOPER'S OPINION OF THE PLAYER. Bethesda treats the player like a moron, and it's INSULTING. Granted, I have no idea how an intelligent person COULD enjoy what is essentially hour after hour of being insulted by the product you paid for, but I'm not going to judge the person. I'll just think their tastes are extremely poor.

Well I'd like to see you do any better. How many RPGs have you made recently? None. And if you could and had the resources, I think you'd find it's not as easy as you'd think it is to put a good game together. I notice you don't like it when a video game treats you like a moron but you sure are willing to treat someone else like a moron whenever you feel like it. You can dish it out but you don't leave any room for anyone else to send it back. Because for you their credibility or opinion is already a piece of dung. Look at Yahtzee, one of the biggest video game critics there is. Well when he actually got to make some games of his own, he succumbed to a lot of the same sort of problems he'd eat a video game and spit it back out for. Sure, the Chzo Mythos were great games, but they weren't perfect games and they had a lot of problems in their story. If you made a video game I think you'd find the writing a bigger trial than it seems, and if you had a famous game you'd find yourself under the same sort of sharp scrutiny you like to put into everyone else and everything else. You're pretentious, and if you made a game I think it would be pretentious too. You're damn quick to judge a persons tastes, and praise Fallout 1 and 2 as the greatest gift to the video game industry there ever was, but your opinion is so intelligent and perfect that you don't need to actually provide examples or proof or solid facts and reasoning behind what you're saying. Oh no. You don't need any of that to automatically begin to bash and ridicule as many people and stories and ideas as you see fit. You are so pretentious. And I like you man, and I like your opinion, and how harsh you are, and I admit I don't know you or anything about you, but you don't know anything about the people who wrote or made these games or how they were made, or anything about the production (because interviews and internet articles don't count, you weren't the one making the game), or the fan feedback that may or may not have gone into the production, and taking all that into account, you are damn quick to ridicule as many people and as many things as your massive intellect allows or requires. Oh, and in my opinion, the entire Fallout series is not my thing, and it's not fun either, and it's very very overrated. But I'm going to give it the credit of its huge fan base, and all the effort that went into the making of each and every Fallout game that was made, and I have friends who are die-hard fans of it who swear by it every day they continue to breathe.

[PariahKing]

my avatar has now been brutally suffocated under a mass of vowels and consonants ^^^^

no mercy or paragraphs were given

[Rather Dashing]

I don't think that it is that large of a wall of text, PariahKing. As far as walls go, it's relatively stout. It's the kind of wall that a small child or an energetic dog could jump or climb over fairly easily. It's just not this long, essay-length post that you're making it out to be. I'm not even going particularly in-depth with the posts, and I think I'm being relatively vague compared to my posts on the matter in Bethesda's forums. 'Here! you may nurse it a bit, if you like!' the Duchess said to Alice, flinging the baby at her as she spoke. 'I must go and get ready to play croquet with the Queen,' and she hurried out of the room. The cook threw a frying-pan after her as she went out, but it just missed her.

Alice caught the baby with some difficulty, as it was a queer-shaped little creature, and held out its arms and legs in all directions, 'just like a star-fish,' thought Alice. The poor little thing was snorting like a steam-engine when she caught it, and kept doubling itself up and straightening itself out again, so that altogether, for the first minute or two, it was as much as she could do to hold it.

As soon as she had made out the proper way of nursing it, (which was to twist it up into a sort of knot, and then keep tight hold of its right ear and left foot, so as to prevent its undoing itself,) she carried it out into the open air. 'IF I don't take this child away with me,' thought Alice, 'they're sure to kill it in a day or two: wouldn't it be murder to leave it behind?' She said the last words out loud, and the little thing grunted in reply (it had left off sneezing by this time). 'Don't grunt,' said Alice; 'that's not at all a proper way of expressing yourself.'

The baby grunted again, and Alice looked very anxiously into its face to see what was the matter with it. There could be no doubt that it had a VERY turn-up nose, much more like a snout than a real nose; also its eyes were getting extremely small for a baby: altogether Alice did not like the look of the thing at all. 'But perhaps it was only sobbing,' she thought, and looked into its eyes again, to see if there were any tears.

No, there were no tears. 'If you're going to turn into a pig, my dear,' said Alice, seriously, 'I'll have nothing more to do with you. Mind now!' The poor little thing sobbed again (or grunted, it was impossible to say which), and they went on for some while in silence.

Alice was just beginning to think to herself, 'Now, what am I to do with this creature when I get it home?' when it grunted again, so violently, that she looked down into its face in some alarm. This time there could be NO mistake about it: it was neither more nor less than a pig, and she felt that it would be quite absurd for her to carry it further.

So she set the little creature down, and felt quite relieved to see it trot away quietly into the wood. 'If it had grown up,' she said to herself, 'it would have made a dreadfully ugly child: but it makes rather a handsome pig, I think.' And she began thinking over other children she knew, who might do very well as pigs, and was just saying to herself, 'if one only knew the right way to change them—' when she was a little startled by seeing the Cheshire Cat sitting on a bough of a tree a few yards off.

The Cat only grinned when it saw Alice. It looked good-natured, she thought: still it had VERY long claws and a great many teeth, so she felt that it ought to be treated with respect.

'Cheshire Puss,' she began, rather timidly, as she did not at all know whether it would like the name: however, it only grinned a little wider. 'Come, it's pleased so far,' thought Alice, and she went on. 'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?'

Of the grand order of folio leviathans, the Sperm Whale and the Right Whale are by far the most noteworthy. They are the only whales regularly hunted by man. To the Nantucketer, they present the two extremes of all the known varieties of the whale. As the external difference between them is mainly observable in their heads; and as a head of each is this moment hanging from the Pequod's side; and as we may freely go from one to the other, by merely stepping across the deck:—where, I should like to know, will you obtain a better chance to study practical cetology than here?

In the first place, you are struck by the general contrast between these heads. Both are massive enough in all conscience; but there is a certain mathematical symmetry in the Sperm Whale's which the Right Whale's sadly lacks. There is more character in the Sperm Whale's head. As you behold it, you involuntarily yield the immense superiority to him, in point of pervading dignity. In the present instance, too, this dignity is heightened by the pepper and salt colour of his head at the summit, giving token of advanced age and large experience. In short, he is what the fishermen technically call a "grey-headed whale."

Let us now note what is least dissimilar in these heads—namely, the two most important organs, the eye and the ear. Far back on the side of the head, and low down, near the angle of either whale's jaw, if you narrowly search, you will at last see a lashless eye, which you would fancy to be a young colt's eye; so out of all proportion is it to the magnitude of the head.

Now, from this peculiar sideway position of the whale's eyes, it is plain that he can never see an object which is exactly ahead, no more than he can one exactly astern. In a word, the position of the whale's eyes corresponds to that of a man's ears; and you may fancy, for yourself, how it would fare with you, did you sideways survey objects through your ears. You would find that you could only command some thirty degrees of vision in advance of the straight side-line of sight; and about thirty more behind it. If your bitterest foe were walking straight towards you, with dagger uplifted in broad day, you would not be able to see him, any more than if he were stealing upon you from behind. In a word, you would have two backs, so to speak; but, at the same time, also, two fronts (side fronts): for what is it that makes the front of a man—what, indeed, but his eyes?

Moreover, while in most other animals that I can now think of, the eyes are so planted as imperceptibly to blend their visual power, so as to produce one picture and not two to the brain; the peculiar position of the whale's eyes, effectually divided as they are by many cubic feet of solid head, which towers between them like a great mountain separating two lakes in valleys; this, of course, must wholly separate the impressions which each independent organ imparts. The whale, therefore, must see one distinct picture on this side, and another distinct picture on that side; while all between must be profound darkness and nothingness to him. Man may, in effect, be said to look out on the world from a sentry-box with two joined sashes for his window. But with the whale, these two sashes are separately inserted, making two distinct windows, but sadly impairing the view. This peculiarity of the whale's eyes is a thing always to be borne in mind in the fishery; and to be remembered by the reader in some subsequent scenes.

A curious and most puzzling question might be started concerning this visual matter as touching the Leviathan. But I must be content with a hint. So long as a man's eyes are open in the light, the act of seeing is involuntary; that is, he cannot then help mechanically seeing whatever objects are before him. Nevertheless, any one's experience will teach him, that though he can take in an undiscriminating sweep of things at one glance, it is quite impossible for him, attentively, and completely, to examine any two things—however large or however small—at one and the same instant of time; never mind if they lie side by side and touch each other. But if you now come to separate these two objects, and surround each by a circle of profound darkness; then, in order to see one of them, in such a manner as to bring your mind to bear on it, the other will be utterly excluded from your contemporary consciousness. How is it, then, with the whale? True, both his eyes, in themselves, must simultaneously act; but is his brain so much more comprehensive, combining, and subtle than man's, that he can at the same moment of time attentively examine two distinct prospects, one on one side of him, and the other in an exactly opposite direction? If he can, then is it as marvellous a thing in him, as if a man were able simultaneously to go through the demonstrations of two distinct problems in Euclid. Nor, strictly investigated, is there any incongruity in this comparison. You don't really know what a text wall is, do you PariahKing? I mean, I don't think that making posts that are greater than a line or two is really a negative thing. It means that there is something to contribute. I would take a wall of text that I disagree with any day over someone that simply quotes my post and replies with "I agree" or something along those lines.

[PariahKing]

I would take a wall of text that I disagree with any day over someone that simply quotes my post and replies with "I agree" or something along those lines.I like paragraphs.

[Giant Tope]

Well I'd like to see you do any better. How many RPGs have you made recently? None.

Oh geez that is never the right thing to say. That's never a good argument for anything.

[Secret Fawful]

Oh geez that is never the right thing to say. That's never a good argument for anything.

Why not? Oh and you know what, Dashing. I notice you don't work at Bethesda. Why don't you go work there? It wouldn't be hard for you. You seem to know everything about what Fallout needs, so with some writing training and experience I'm sure you could get a resume and a job. And then you could work at Bethesda and help them make Fallout 4 and make it right, right? Oh wait, you're not, you're just complaining. And insulting the people who made it and play it when you're not exactly actively trying to do anything to change it. Good for you. How much time did you spend in those forums and this one complaining about it, by the way? Did it help? Huh? Did it?

[DoctorCello]

Why not?
Because if your argument was credible in any way, then almost every critic of every form of creative talent in the world would have to quit their job. Just because you don't have the talent to physically create something doesn't necessarily mean you don't know what works.

[Secret Fawful]

Because if your argument was credible in any way, then almost every critic of every form of creative talent in the world would have to quit their job. Just because you don't have the talent to physically create something doesn't necessarily mean you don't know what works.

Rather Dashing isn't a credible critic because he's only interested in looking down on what he doesn't agree with and everything and everyone involved. Who is he to look down on anything or anyone? Real, good critics don't do that, and when they do no one listens to them anymore or they get fired. Because they were jackasses. Yahtzee is a bit of an exception because his reviews are done more for comedy, but I don't take them seriously because they look down on everyone and everything involved, but it's funny because it's meant to be funny.

[Avistew]

Fawful> the point is that to be able to give your opinion on something, you don't need experience at making it, only at experiencing it.

If I knit a cone that looks like a tetrahedron, as I have just done, everyone will be in their right to tell me it sucks as a cone, even if they can't knit.
If a doctor amputates the wrong leg, you can criticise them, even if you're not a doctor yourself.
And what it takes to comment on a game isn't experience making them, but playing them, just like commenting on books requires reading them, but not writing them.

No matter what other arguments you use, when you use this one it undermines all the others because it's a weak argument. Being unable to do something better doesn't mean you can't give your opinion, or there wouldn't be many active threads in here.

[Chyron8472]

I don't think that it is that large of a wall of text, PariahKing. As far as walls go, [...] I would take a wall of text that I disagree with any day over someone that simply quotes my post and replies with "I agree" or something along those lines.

I agree.


Also, this reminds me of something...

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[Giant Tope]

Rather Dashing isn't a credible critic because he's only interested in looking down on what he doesn't agree with and everything and everyone involved. Who is he to look down on anything or anyone? Real, good critics don't do that, and when they do no one listens to them anymore or they get fired. Because they were jackasses.

It's not a matter of how credible of a critic it is. Its his opinion. Cool, whatever. Yeah he's being a bit bitter about it, but whatever, man.

Doesn't matter about the situation, using the "you cant judge because you don't make it" argument is just... no. Just don't do it. A person who doesn't know how to cook can still know what good food is.

aw man avistew, you stole my thunder half way through writing this. >:[

[Avistew]

It's not a matter of how credible of a critic it is. Its his opinion. Cool, whatever. Yeah he's being a bit bitter about it, but whatever, man.

Doesn't matter about the situation, using the "you cant judge because you don't make it" argument is just... no. Just don't do it.

aw man avistew, you stole my thunder half way through writing this. >:[

I'm sorry! But I didn't use your cooking analogy, go ahead, there still is time to!

[Secret Fawful]

Fawful> the point is that to be able to give your opinion on something, you don't need experience at making it, only at experiencing it.

If I knit a cone that looks like a tetrahedron, as I have just done, everyone will be in their right to tell me it sucks as a cone, even if they can't knit.
If a doctor amputates the wrong leg, you can criticise them, even if you're not a doctor yourself.
And what it takes to comment on a game isn't experience making them, but playing them, just like commenting on books requires reading them, but not writing them.

No matter what other arguments you use, when you use this one it undermines all the others because it's a weak argument. Being unable to do something better doesn't mean you can't give your opinion, or there wouldn't be many active threads in here.

I understand, but his posts on the subject go beyond mere opinion. It's not his opinion of the game I care about at all, but he goes as far as to ridicule not only the people who made the game but also anyone who would play it. Ever. And then it goes into the territory of "who the HELL do you think you are?" to criticize so much and so many so self-righteously. Yes there are stupid developers who made bad games. I could say that about many, and I've said it about the developers of all the Fallout games before. Yet I don't even dare to go as far as to ridicule anyone who plays the games, because if they like them then they have that right and it doesn't make them morons with bad taste.

EDIT: Using Giant Topes illustration "a person who can't cook still knows what good food is", not quite. Food is relative to the person, as are video games.

[Giant Tope]

I understand, but his posts on the subject go beyond mere opinion. It's not his opinion of the game I care about at all, but he goes as far as to ridicule not only the people who made the game but also anyone who would play it. Ever. And then it goes into the territory of "who the HELL do you think you are?" to criticize so much and so many so self-righteously. Yes there are stupid developers who made bad games. I could say that about many, and I've said it about the developers of all the Fallout games before. Yet I don't even dare to go as far as to ridicule anyone who plays the games, because if they like them then they have that right and it doesn't make them morons with bad taste.

Okay, just a question: How does his opinion, no matter how harsh, effect you?

On a side note: everyone needs to chill. D:

EDIT: Using Giant Topes illustration "a person who can't cook still knows what good food is", not quite. Food is relative to the person, as are video games.

My point was that people can still form opinions without experience. Opinions that hold common ground even.

[Chyron8472]

I was going to say that maybe Rather Dashing just hates Fallout 3 so thoroughly and completely that he's passionate enough to write a doctorate level thesis on how much it sucks.

But then, I also remembered that he posted similar bashings about Curse of Monkey Island, so maybe it's just his style.

I don't think he means personal insult. He's just passionate enough about his views to inspire lengthy walls of inflammatory text about the source of his frustration.


EDIT: Now, granted I've also been known to be rather opinionated, but it's much less common (though not unheard of) for me to create such lengthy rants.

[Secret Fawful]

Okay, just a question: How does his opinion, no matter how harsh, effect you?

It doesn't but how he acts toward others affects my opinion of him, an opinion which I have just as much of a right to. Yet I could just as much ask, how does my opinion of his opinion affect you? Or how does the badness of Fallout 3 or another person's decision to play it affect him, outside of having wasted his time?

My point was that people can still form opinions without experience. Opinions that hold common ground even.

I don't disagree, but it wasn't his opinion of the game I was commenting on but his opinion of the developers and the people who play it.

Anyway, my opinion of it all may sound harsh but it's a lot more laid back than it sounds. I just want to post my opinion and come out of it with my respect intact and without looking like a dumbass, but I actually really do like Rather Dashing's style. I still find it pretentious and self-righteous though.

[Chyron8472]

I actually really do like Rather Dashing's style. I still find it pretentious and self-righteous though.


You forgot "opinionated."

[Giant Tope]

It doesn't but how he acts toward others affects my opinion of him, an opinion which I have just as much of a right to. Yet I could just as much ask, how does my opinion of his opinion affect you?

Actually my beef is still with the whole "Well I'd like to see you do any better. How many RPGs have you made recently? None." and you just can't use that argument because its moot.

im not white knighting rather dashing, i swear.

[Rather Dashing]

Everyone is posting extremely fast and my giant rant is far behind. So I'm scrapping it for something a lot more compact that is a lot more likely to be read anyway.

It doesn't but how he acts toward others affects my opinion of him, an opinion which I have just as much of a right to. Yet I could just as much ask, how does my opinion of his opinion affect you? Or how does the badness of Fallout 3 or another person's decision to play it affect him, outside of having wasted his time?
Fallout 3 does affect me in a negative way, in that it both retroactively devalues something that I hold dear and sets a future for it that makes it unenjoyable for me. I also feel strongly about it because THIS is what is getting rave reviews now, THIS is what is selling. Not too many years ago, it was an entirely different style of western computer RPG. Now it feels like what was once a staple of my entertainment diet is dying off. And it's not like the adventure game market, which simply shrank and became something far more indie. Rather, it's becoming something so bloated and redefined that anything matching the original content is nigh impossible to find among a series of strange structures that bear the names of things I love, but that don't bear any tangible resemblance.

I don't disagree, but it wasn't his opinion of the game I was commenting on but his opinion of the developers and the people who play it.
I have nothing against people until they actively insult their client base. And then I hate that. I also should clarify that any instance of "Stupid", "moronic", "idiot", or any other variation was set in place because that is the apparent language I felt every moment I was playing Fallout 3. It felt like the game itself was insulting me and my intelligence. I can't understand why someone can enjoy that, and so I have to think that there's some poor judgement involved, like a man whose favored dish is a pie with a filling comprising of wood chips and sawdust.

[Secret Fawful]

You forgot "opinionated."

I thought about it but to be fair I'm incredibly opinionated, in fact probably almost as much if not as much as Dashing is, and everybody is opinionated about something. I try to keep hypocrite out of my list of vices as much as possible, haha.

Actually my beef is still with the whole "Well I'd like to see you do any better. How many RPGs have you made recently? None." and you just can't use that argument because its moot.

im not white knighting rather dashing, i swear.
Perhaps you're right (I can't say for certain but unless something changes I'll believe you're correct), but you said earlier that by that logic then all critics would instantly be out of a job. Well personally, even though THIS is where I end up being hypocritical, as I have been both a reviewer and have read many reviews for opinions, I don't like reviews as the end all decision on the quality and truth about a game or movie or whatever. I consider a review like any other opinion; an opinion to be weighed and taken with a grain of salt. And I don't like it when reviewers shove their own ideas of what should be and what something is as if its the final truth in my face. I admit, as a reviewer, I've done this many times myself. I still don't like it though.

Everyone is posting extremely fast and my giant rant is far behind. So I'm scrapping it for something a lot more compact that is a lot more likely to be read anyway.


Fallout 3 does affect me in a negative way, in that it both retroactively devalues something that I hold dear and sets a future for it that makes it unenjoyable for me. I also feel strongly about it because THIS is what is getting rave reviews now, THIS is what is selling. Not too many years ago, it was an entirely different style of western computer RPG. Now it feels like what was once a staple of my entertainment diet is dying off. And it's not like the adventure game market, which simply shrank and became something far more indie. Rather, it's becoming something so bloated and redefined that anything matching the original content is nigh impossible to find among a series of strange structures that bear the names of things I love, but that don't bear any tangible resemblance.
Fair enough. It's kind of like what happened to the Home Alone series as a movie franchise then basically.

I have nothing against people until they actively insult their client base. And then I hate that. I also should clarify that any instance of "Stupid", "moronic", "idiot", or any other variation was set in place because that is the apparent language I felt every moment I was playing Fallout 3. It felt like the game itself was insulting me and my intelligence. I can't understand why someone can enjoy that, and so I have to think that there's some poor judgement involved, like a man whose favored dish is a pie with a filling comprising of wood chips and sawdust. Well, I have no proof of this being the case for everyone, and I can only take it as your opinion. What was so for you might not feel the same for someone else, and that's how I feel on it. I'm not asking you to stop being harsh because it's damn entertaining. I was giving my two cents and I'm sorry the experience of the game was bad for you.

[Giant Tope]

but you said earlier that by that logic then all critics would instantly be out of a job.

actually that would be my sis, doc cello, but okay...

[Chyron8472]

Everyone is posting extremely fast and my giant rant is far behind. So I'm scrapping it for something a lot more compact that is a lot more likely to be read anyway.

People should turn their "posts per page" count up. It really helps.

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[Rather Dashing]

People should turn their "posts per page" count up. It really helps.
That's not the problem at all. I have a Chrome extension that loads the next page under the last one when I get to the bottom, it all displays as one page in the end and I don't need to load 100 pages all at once. It was just that I was being just as verbose as usual, and the conversation was getting away from my slowly-forming thoughts.

[Chyron8472]

That's not the problem at all. I have a Chrome extension that loads the next page under the last one when I get to the bottom, it all displays as one page in the end and I don't need to load 100 pages all at once. It was just that I was being just as verbose as usual, and the conversation was getting away from my slowly-forming thoughts.

Create a Fallout 3 (or similarly related) rant thread then and you can be as verbose as you please.


EDIT: I don't mean "gtfo." I mean if you create a thread about such rant then it's less likely to get your thoughts derailed.

EDIT AGAIN: or not. Knowing this crowd, we're easily distractable.

[Rather Dashing]

Create a Fallout 3 (or similarly related) rant thread then and you can be as verbose as you please.
I could. Honestly, I was afraid this was getting out of hand. Ironically, the tread became about analyzing me rather than games and how they may or may not be overrated. And I suppose I should be flattered that I make some form of impact, but I would have preferred a course of conversation that either ignored me or tried to argue or question my points on the matter.

[Chyron8472]

I could. Honestly, I was afraid this was getting out of hand. Ironically, the tread became about analyzing me rather than games and how they may or may not be overrated. And I suppose I should be flattered that I make some form of impact, but I would have preferred a course of conversation that either ignored me or tried to argue or question my points on the matter.

Well, you can't get me to legitimately agree or disagree specifically about Fallout, because I've never played any of the Fallout games.

However, I did discuss the part about "It sucks because EVERY CHARACTER you make will play EXACTLY THE SAME no matter how hard you work to differentiate them, and that's inexcusable in an RPG," by asking if you hated alot of RPG's, because Final Fantasy 12 does this (among others) and I actually liked that game.

[Rather Dashing]

Well, you can't get be to legitimately agree or disagree specifically about Fallout, because I've never played any of the Fallout games.
In my apparently pretentious opinion, Fallout 2 is one of the best RPGs of all time. I'm not sure how you'd take it, though. Still, they're $6 each on GOG, so it's hard to argue against that price. You have to apply a couple fan patches to get the best experience, but GOG's not a bad way to go.

However, I did discuss the part about "It sucks because EVERY CHARACTER you make will play EXACTLY THE SAME no matter how hard you work to differentiate them, and that's inexcusable in an RPG," because Final Fantasy 12 does this, and I actually liked that game.
It's actually a very common element in Japanese RPGs, and a large reason I don't enjoy them very much. It's one of the reasons I think Pokemon is actually a great example of a good Japanese RPG, because your teams will rarely play exactly the same, and there is an obscene level of customization.

If an RPG doesn't let me craft a character or party that is distinctly different than other characters or parties, it is an instant and very large negative for it in my book. I prefer CRPGs that are cut from the D&D cloth.

[Chyron8472]

Also, although I like CMI alot, I would personally apply several of your they-screwed-with-a-great-series arguements to EMI. (Though I know you disagree and will say it was CMI that started ruining things.)

EDIT: I suppose what got me instantly hooked on CMI was that it had been several years since the last MI game had come out and I was happy to get one at all, and because it was the first MI game with voice-acting and I thought the job they did with the voices was superb. The rest of the game I can go on and on about why I continue to like it alot, but we've already had an argument about that.

[Rather Dashing]

Also, although I like CMI alot, I would personally apply several of your they-screwed-with-a-great-series arguements to EMI. (Though I know you disagree and will say it was CMI that started ruining things.)
EMI gets a lot of flak for what I think is a lot of the same things that bring CMI down. I'm a lot kinder on EMI simply because it has gotten to the point that people don't recognize what is good about it, while universally heralding the flawless Curse. And I have to say, I have to think, "Hey, wait a minute. No, that doesn't feel like it fits quite right at all. Curse did that first here, and while there are a LOT of flaws in this game, there are merits to the thing." I'd probably be harsher on the game if it was universally loved, which sounds awfully pretentious of me, but Escape just doesn't need any more beatings, and it's just an easy target.

EDIT: I suppose what got me instantly hooked on CMI was that it had been several years since the last MI game had come out and I was happy to get one at all, and because it was the first MI game with voice-acting and I thought the job they did was superb.
The vast majority of the voice-acting IS well-done...for the most part. To its credit, the only main character whose CMI voice I absolutely hate would be Stan's. I'm annoyed by a few minor characters, but on the whole voice acting is really well done, as are many of the puzzles.

[roberttitus]

Wow... the flame war is heating up it seems.

Lets just change the subject.... how about we talk about cheese? Everybody love cheese. EVERYBODY

[corruptbiggins]

First things first, I've not read every single word on this thread, but tried to get the general gist.

I have to say to me it doesn't matter if a game is classed as overrated or not, all that matters is if I like it or not. I don't need validation of my opinion of video games. With that said I love Fallout 3, and I love 1 & 2 as well. So what if someone thinks a game is overrated, life is all about opinions and the world would truly suck if we all liked and thought the same things.

Actually, I'm not sure what point I'm making other than differing opinions are good as is healthy debate.

[GuybrushWilco]

I liked Fallout 3 quite a lot, and also liked the first two. I think fallout 3 has a mediocre story compared to the first two and boring party members that don't really talk or do anything. The gameplay changes were good in my opinion and the game was fun, but I leveled up and maxed WAY too fast. I thought they perfectly captured the atmosphere of the first two games, and did it even better.

Personally, I never really liked Maniac Mansion :) I thought the game was frustrating, and it was too easy to get stuck and I just could never really get into it....

[Hassat Hunter]

Well, I haven't played F3, waiting for Gold to hit the budget bin after the extreme letdown that Oblivion turned out to be...

Just a few euro's less now...

[JedExodus]

Nah everyone's right, that's a crap argument Secret Fawful, that's like syaing because John Peel wasn't in a band he'd no right to be a music critic. It's just some internet guys opinion anyway, what do you care?

...oh and it's about vidya games as well

[Giant Tope]

Wow... the flame war is heating up it seems.
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Err... Not really. Unless posts were deleted since I've last been here, and I don't think that's the case.

[tredlow]

Hide and Seek just sucks.

Oh, wait, VIDEO games?

Uh... Halo.

[PecanBlue]

Sheesh I come back and there's craploads of text.

I have nothing to say except Giant Tope I hate you forever for beating me to the cool frog comic. Oh and...

Yeeeeeeeeah uh. I'm not really sure why you played Persona 3 if you don't like turn-based RPGs.

Not all, just most. Especially ones that involve heavy grinding just to beat one boss and has glacial pacing on the battle animations. I like Pokémon, for one! And I heard Persona 4 was different than 3 gameplay-wise, I was just told to play 3 for the story even if 4 doesn't pick up on it. (except there's a few references to it like treasurer girl's return)

[DoctorCello]

Not all, just most. Especially ones that involve heavy grinding just to beat one boss and has glacial pacing on the battle animations. I like Pokémon, for one! And I heard Persona 4 was different than 3 gameplay-wise, I was just told to play 3 for the story even if 4 doesn't pick up on it. (except there's a few references to it like treasurer girl's return)

Well, I hate to tell you this, but Persona 4 isn't all that much different from Persona 3, gameplay-wise. It's an improvement, to be sure: for one, you can control all the party members, there are more incentives to improve your social links with your party members (get Chie's link up to a certain point, and she'll be able to sometimes one-hit kill non-boss enemies by punting them into space), and I remember there being changes to the Press-Turn system, although I can't recall what the changes were. In any case, though, you WILL need to grind for the bosses in Persona 4, a lot more so than in 3 (altough the final boss of 4 isn't nearly as frustrating as in 3), so I'm still not sure if you'd enjoy Persona 4 all that much.

Just out of curiosity, what other turned-based RPGs do you like? Pokemon is one of those, yeah, but its gameplay is still significantly different than many other RPGs.

[PecanBlue]

The only thing I complained about Persona 3 is that the places where you are grinding are very uninteresting. Maze, maze, maze, chest, shadow, shadow, etc. repeat for literally over a hundred blocks with no grand scene changes. I didn't say I'm not enjoying the game, but it IS overrated. I've played Nocturne and despite how much I hate the stupid *step, step, step BATTLE* thing it was somehow more entertaining to explore. I've heard how Persona 4 has weird things like a gay bath-house and I totally gotta try that. Also Persona 3's music is interesting for a bit (I caved in and got the soundtrack) but it gets very annoying quickly. I'm already at the point where I mute it and put on a playlist when I'm in Tartarus. The music when you're shopping around the mall is THE WORST. Just to nitpick, I wish they would have let you play as a girl or something from the get-go (yes I know they'll let you in the portable game but still) because all the dateable girls besides Yuko drive me insane. (see avatar)

I don't know what other ones I like, but I've played a lot. Sure Pokémon is different but so is Persona, right?

[Irishmile]

I know I will get some hate mail for this but

Dance Dance revolution
Guitar-rock-hero-band (and all their clones)

anything with way too many quick time events...

[JedExodus]

Oh you reminded me irishmile, speaking of quick time events. I nominate Shenmue

[Irishmile]

..... God I hated the QTE in Shenmue... but I loved the rest of the game and story so much....

[Darth Marsden]

I'm gonna go with Halo. I haven't played the multiplayer (not a big online gamer), but the single-player campaign is lackluster. It starts off alright, but quickly descends into a series of very smiliar corridors that take forever to get through. It really hits a nadir with The Flood, when you have to run through these corridors with what are essentially insects swarming all over the place. And then there's the Library... literally the same corridor copy-pasted to last two extremely boring hours.

I gave up shortly after that. It just got so... dull. To recover, I went back to FEAR, a decent tactical shooter. And I never thought I''d be saying that, but...

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

Has anyone mentioned how bad Fallout 3 was yet?

*tee-hee snicker giggle

[Rather Dashing]

Has anyone mentioned how bad Fallout 3 was yet?

*tee-hee snicker giggle
You're funny.

I like you. :D

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

:) I'd give you a hug If I didn't think you would get my cooties. Highly contagious you know.

[Rather Dashing]

You poor, unfortunate soul. If I had cooties, I don't know where I'd get the emotional strength to even get up in the morning. My life would be, well, a nightmare realm of constant regret and misery. Would it even be worth living? Would I rather succumb to the darker thoughts that the disease thrusts upon the human psyche with all of the trauma and pain that it inflicts?

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

Now you know my pain, this what I get for buying the cheap hookers instead of the classier 20$ ones. All I got from the rest of what you said was "thrusts" and then I broke down crying again. I'm sorry.

[Rather Dashing]

Haha. Thrusts.

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

Fallout 3

[Rather Dashing]

All I got from what you said was "Fallout 3" and then I broke down crying. I'm sorry.

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

Perfectly played my friend. I like you too, lets make it bromance.

[Kroms]

1. Bioshock.
2. Metal Gear Solid 4.
3. Final Fantasy (not sure which I played).
4. ...Half-Life 2. The episodes were much better.
5. Anything with the words "David Cage" spit on.
6. Anything with the words "Roberta Williams" spit on.


3. Day of the Tentacle
4. Curse of Monkey Island

You really hate non-subtle cartoons, eh. Don't tell me you also think Maniac Mansion was somehow realistic...

[Rather Dashing]

You really hate non-subtle cartoons, eh.
Not at all. I love Looney Tunes. Sam and Max: Hit the Road and the Telltale seasons are pretty high up there. I like cartoons just fine.

Don't tell me you also think Maniac Mansion was somehow realistic...
Not exactly. The original Maniac Mansion had an entirely different atmosphere about it. It is heavily inspired by B movie horror. The atmosphere chosen for Day of the Tentacle just didn't fit. The original Maniac Mansion wasn't the kind of cartoon that the second game became.

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

http://api.ning.com/files/TAQisU8LBDTC4tC2heaDQOeZS-Rrz2YNGCp-ALFZ1sJzULMurkS8G5BTohOglWuUPCEePfSXGLMBkHkrH2gmH7 CuAYuO65-A/arguingontheinternet.jpg

I apologize to all the retardeds,
I fully support you and your awesomeness.

[taumel]

I throw in Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2. I started Dragon Age and watch my friend playing Mass Effect 2. Bioware somehow managed removing the parts i liked in roleplaying games and adding stuff i didn't like this much.

I really liked Ultima 9 and quite some of the other parts before.

[Fealiks]

There's no way I'm reading this whole thread, but I think that GTA IV was pretty overrated.

The Force Unleashed. C'mon, is not THAT good. It's entertaining, but after the first three levels I got bored because it was so incredible repetitive: Kill everyone, first boss, kill everyone again, second boss, kill everything you see and final boss.

I'd say it was underrated. I've only ever heard people saying how bad a game it is.. I thought it was pretty fun.

[Kroms]

Not exactly. The original Maniac Mansion had an entirely different atmosphere about it. It is heavily inspired by B movie horror. The atmosphere chosen for Day of the Tentacle just didn't fit. The original Maniac Mansion wasn't the kind of cartoon that the second game became.

I like that they changed gears. If I made a third Maniac Mansion game, I'd try to avoid both Chuck Jones and B movie horror. Maybe do an 80s style science-fiction take instead. Something tacky, but likeable. There's not many things you can do with a mad scientist and tentacles besies b-horror, Chuck Jones and cartoons and 80s movies...

Maybe I'd focus on the kids instead of the doctors or the tentacles this time.

Huh.

*Begins thinking about a MM3 in his head*

[irhxcbcziuzxs]

I throw in Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2. I started Dragon Age and watch my friend playing Mass Effect 2. Bioware somehow managed removing the parts i liked in roleplaying games and adding stuff i didn't like this much.

I really liked Ultima 9 and quite some of the other parts before.

I completely agree with everything you just said, and I thought I was the only one!!

[dentbuds]

Gonna have to go with Super Smash Bros. Melee. I have to say that I would rather play the N64 version then that one. Maybe its that I played Brawl first. I can't stand it. I don't even understand the point of the adventure mode.

The Force Unleashed. C'mon, is not THAT good. It's entertaining, but after the first three levels I got bored because it was so incredible repetitive: Kill everyone, first boss, kill everyone again, second boss, kill everything you see and final boss.

Way to repetitive. And I don't think that it would take five to ten swings with a lightsaber to kill and enemy. Its a freakin' lightsaber! One slice, he's down.

[Rather Dashing]

I enjoyed Force Unleashed. That's probably because I rented it, though, and finished it during the rental period. The Ultimate Sith Edition is on sale on Steam now for $15, and honestly? That's a pretty good price for it.

[Dead Man]

2. Metal Gear Solid 4.



http://i42.tinypic.com/1z57qdl.jpg

[Roivas]

I was really shocked to find that no one else said Heavy Rain yet (except Kroms who summed everything I'm about to say up in one sentence). So I will pointlessly whine like a fool.

The game has abysmal pacing, the interactivity is sparse, your actions have almost no impact on the story (besides which ending you get), and the game has been done before. Heavy Rain is a slower, prettier, and bigger version of Fahrenheit. And I did like Indigo Prophesy when I played through it, I even played it a few times to try and have events unfold in a different way. Can't really be done.

From what I've seen, read, and played of Heavy Rain it is almost exactly the same. It gives you a sense of control over the mystery but the ending is always the same (same killer).

A game might get better after two or three hours, but that's a lot to grant for a game to get good, particularly if it won't let you skip those hours in a second playthrough. That means the game is designed to be played exactly once.

So it is not a new experience and barely qualifies as interactive. I like the simplicity of a Point and Click game and I don't even mind it being linear, but when a game gets called a new genre or something definitive for this generation I start to raise my hackles.

[patters]

I was really shocked to find that no one else said Heavy Rain yet. So I will.


Eh?


5. Anything with the words "David Cage" spit on.

[MusicallyInspired]

The Halo series. I can't think of any others right now.


Maybe Duke Nukem Forever :p.

[Rawr]

Any Halo after Halo...
Modern Warfare 2.

[taumel]

I completely agree with everything you just said, and I thought I was the only one!!
Just as me, nope, maybe it's a climber thing. ;O)

[Roivas]

Any Halo after Halo...

Are we counting Halos in Space here?
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2977058/1/Halo_Halos_in_Space

Well I guess that wasn't much of a game, more an interactive experience.

[Wizpig]

This thread keeps delivering opinions alright; terrible ones, in MY opinion.
QTE in Shenmue; yeah, it's the game that basically created them. so if you say Shenmue is overrated, you must have played it like 1 week ago.
It's all about the experience, and if you missed it all those years ago on the Dreamcast... it's your fault, sorry.

My answers are Modern Warfare 2, God of War 3, Mass Effect 1, MadWorld.

[Wapcaplet]

I hate the term "quick time events". Makes me think of this every time I hear it:

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5130/quicktime.jpg

Oh, overrated games? The Sims, WoW, and Bioshock.

[elzbenz]

For me it's super mario galaxy, super smash bros. brawl, spore, rag doll kung fu and loco roco cocoretcho (the PS3 one).

[AlmostApollo]

God of War (all of them), MadWorld, BioShock, Fallout 3.

[MusicallyInspired]

God of War....hmmm....maybe slightly overrated. But it is a bar raiser as far as gameplay is concerned. And the story is excellent. I loved it. I wouldn't call it disappointing. At first I thought it was overrated until I tried it. It's actually very engaging and quite fun. A combination of a strong remeniscence of the old Ray Harryhausen Greek mythology movies with modern action-packed adventure and, well, gore. I thought the writing specifically, though, was of much higher quality than that of your average blockbusting overrated video game.

[Ganon159]

GTA IV. That's the most overrated game I've ever played. Seriously, a 10 from IGN? (And they also claimed that it was the best game since Ocarina Of Time. I wonder if the reviewer actually played any games in the time span between the realeases of the titles I mentioned?) And a ridicolous amount of GOTY awards from Gametrailers. Not to mention the popularity.

And Modern Warfare 2. Way too many people on my school play it all the time. I like it when my games are original and don't involve stereotypical plotlines about Russian terrorists (Like, seriously? Sounds like something from MacGyver.)

[Little Writer]

Usually I'm a very easily influenced person, and I go along with all hypes.

I'd go with the Sims as well.
I'd also like to mention the entire King's Quest series, though I've vowed to play through them all (5 is next).
Syberia.
True Crime: Streets of LA (although it didn't take long for the whole world to recognize its suckiness).

Hey, is there a thread about games everybody else hates but you actually enjoy? I'd have some entries for that.

[MusicallyInspired]

Syberia! Yes!! What a lousy game! I really don't see what's so great about it. What a snooze-fest. My wife rather likes it, though.

[Friar]

GTA IV. That's the most overrated game I've ever played. Seriously, a 10 from IGN? (And they also claimed that it was the best game since Ocarina Of Time. I wonder if the reviewer actually played any games in the time span between the realeases of the titles I mentioned?) And a ridicolous amount of GOTY awards from Gametrailers. Not to mention the popularity.

Agreed. It was a marvel to look at, but i found myself only playing to see waht all the islands were like. Once i'd unlocked the last one (and was dissapointed) i stopped playing. As for the GOTY awards, it deserved one for it's graphics, but definately not Soundtrack. That should have gone to Smash Bros. Brawl (combining the some of the best gaming melodies of the past 20 years with new tracks, and remixes. Fantastic. Especially compared to GTA's which were mostly lifted from various record companies, and will sound dated (if not so already). Gameplaywise, it was mostly the same stuff. Drive from a->B, kill people, escape.

[Leak]

Especially compared to GTA's which were mostly lifted from various record companies, and will sound dated (if not so already).
Say what?

Of course it's "mostly lifted from various record companies", it's meant to be "authentic" radio stations - well, except for the insanity that happens between songs...

I'm pretty sure having someone doing music for them would have been cheaper than licensing tons of stuff, but it just wouldn't be the same. Same goes for hiring people like Karl Lagerfeld to do radio show hosts...

np: Autechre - st epreo (Oversteps)

[guitarsareboring]

I enjoyed Force Unleashed. That's probably because I rented it, though, and finished it during the rental period. The Ultimate Sith Edition is on sale on Steam now for $15, and honestly? That's a pretty good price for it.

Yeah it was £10 on Steam in the UK... decided to grab it despite the negative reviews. It's alright really, worth the money but no more than that. The story is better than the game, which gets a little repetitive at times.

[ABlackEyedPea]

My list?

Dragon Age: Origins
BioShock 2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Looked great at first, then ended up as crap)
Oblivion
Fallout 2 (yes, two)
Fable 2

[Alcoremortis]

Spore.

It had so much hype and looked so cool in the youtube playthroughs by the designers, but when the game actually came out they'd gotten rid of all the cool stuff, like the marine stage, control over intelligence, and the underwater cities. And the fact that originally if your creation wasn't evolutionarily fit, you could lose.

[Little Writer]

My list?

Dragon Age: Origins
BioShock 2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings (Looked great at first, then ended up as crap)
Oblivion
Fallout 2 (yes, two)
Fable 2

I don't really call Staff of Kings an overrated game, since it was obvious since the moment they cancelled the PS3 version that it was going to be crap. Still enjoyed it the whole game through, but don't think I'll play it again.

[Sausy Gibbon]

I'd like to say that I don't get why Legend of Zelda Occarina of Time is so highly put in games. When I played it I thought it was kinda average and realy get pissed off when I find it near the top of best games list and every game has been compared to it. I mean their are alot of better games who deserve the spot, but no its always this. You can say it started video games and brought us to where we are know but I think a game should be the sum of its parts and it just comes up short. To be honest to hear people rant and rave I feel we must of played a intirely different game.

[MusicallyInspired]

Did you play it all the way through? Ocarina is a a great game. But Twilight Princess is better. Some argue that Link to the Past was the exact same thing but better and deserves the glory that Ocarina got. Still prefer Twilight Princess, myself.

[Sausy Gibbon]

It's not that I don't like the game, I just don't think it deserves a place in "Best Game of all Time'. I found it realy mediocre and I think the only reason its on the list is because its part of a franchise every one knows (probably the same reason Super Mario Bros keeps getting number one), I think the place would be better for games like Deus Ex and Fallout .

[MusicallyInspired]

Your experience must be very different from mine. I was very engaged and drawn into its world.

I agree about Mario Bros, though.

[Leak]

I agree about Mario Bros, though.
I think Junaid put it best in the general art thread:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pnuD7LQsDwU/S9CdTiGqf7I/AAAAAAAAAcs/zErkBgM5Hlg/s1600/04+-+Games.jpg

:D