Sam & Max's Relationship

[Player_2]

There's kind of an interesting dynamic between the two of them.

I'm not saying that Steve was intentionally going for anything deeper than just creating a funny story based on a dog and a rabbit who fight crime; but hardcore fans like myself can't help but obsess over our favourite characters, analyzing their psychological profiles and whatnot. (I like the word whatnot.)

So, discuss and share your insights.

[Irishmile]

I think they have the same relationship brothers have with each other....

[Jake]

Or good lifelong friends. See also: Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz. It seems funny and it is, but it's not.

[Gman5852]

You must remember though while in the animated series, they were brothers I think(I remember they talked about buring their dads briefcase beaver and burying it in the back yard.

[jaden551]

sam and Max are not like that and besides, max likes girls(play 204)

[Neelo]

They're just really good friends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeterosexualLifePartners)

[queen_of_the_lobsters]

sam and Max are not like that and besides, max likes girls(play 204)

Nobody said anything like that yet! Besides that, I always thought of them both as asexual, with an occasional interest in girls.

[Zonino]

sam and Max are not like that and besides, max likes girls(play 204)

Max's sleazy lothario persona lasted all of the 5 minutes you needed it to advance the plot. Of course he may still like them, but not as much as in 204.

They both could have an interest in the opposite sex, but they're far too busy having fun solving random puzzles and going on wacky, outlandish adventures.

[kane]

I foot they kepi achiever in line let me elaborate sam is kept sane buy max and max is stop buy sam from doing stooped and craze waif in a limit

[Lena_P]

Or good lifelong friends. See also: Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz. It seems funny and it is, but it's not.

Are you talking about "Shaun of the Dead" or Sam and Max? :confused:

I foot they kepi achiever in line let me elaborate sam is kept sane buy max and max is stop buy sam from doing stooped and craze waif in a limit

Translation: I feel they keep each other in line. Let me elaborate; Sam is kept sane by Max, and Max is stopped by Sam from doing stupid and crazy stuff without limits. (I think that's about right)

I think they're just both at the stage where they think girls are "icky". Sam just seems older because he likes pretending he's a growed up detective.

[kane]

no i men sam lets max Dow what he Wharton I reason ie max can be crazy if the situation is ecwell but to say friends sam lets max Dow craze and stupid flings beaus if max gets bored he gets crazier and get bored essayer making a it go rand and rand to max tries to destroy all of time and spas

[Jake]

Are you talking about "Shaun of the Dead" or Sam and Max? :confused:
I was referring to extremeness of the friendship between Sam & Max, or the Simon Pegg and Nick Frost characters in either film, as being funny in its intensity, but also real.

[Giant Tope]

I think I've mentioned this before, but I'm usually fine with most crack parings, but I get really upset when people try to make Sam and Max look like a gay couple outside of gags. It just undermines the bros-for-life relationship that they have and I love. Because bros-for-life are awesome.

[Lena_P]

@Kane Oh, I get you now. I never thought of it like that before. Makes Max kind of sound like a volcano god that must be satiated lest he erupt into violence! :p

@Jake Okay, the "it seems funny and it is, but it's not" thing just totally threw me. I couldn't tell if you meant the film is funny, but the relationship wasn't, or that both couples seem to have a homosexual attraction to one another, but they don't really.

[kane]

yap it deeper the relationship between sam and max is to protect the all of time and space episode 3 profess this when sam in-stinks to reignition waif max to save him shelf and the rest of all exist-ons

[SHODANFreeman]

All these posts, and I still can't decipher what kane is saying half the time. :(

[kane]

sam and max need each ever and time and spas need them to giver

[Avistew]

sam and max need each ever and time and spas need them to giver

Sam and Max need each other and time and space need them together.

I see them as having a childhood friends relationship, or a very close friends relationship. I think a lot of people tend to mix "super close friends" and "in a romantic relationship" because ideally your spouse also is a very close friend. But here I only see the "close friends" thing.
I personally always have some trouble with the "childhood friends who end up together" concept that often pops up either as canon or as fanstuff, because the people I know who actually are childhood friends all consider each other family, often referring to each other as "my cousin" or "my brother/sister" because that's how it feels for them.
Not saying childhood friends never end up together, just that the idea is overused in my opinion. If two characters are childhood friends, I'll see it as a reason for them NOT to end up together as a couple, unless they had that kind of relationship from the start or something.

Anyways, I'm not sure what else there is to say. They're friends, they know each other very well and they care about each other a lot.

[Ophenix]

302 had at least two gay refrences about them. I'm sure its nothing more then a joke, but it makes you wonder...

[GuruGuru214]

They're just really good friends. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeterosexualLifePartners)

Seconded.

[Giant Tope]

302 had at least two gay refrences about them. I'm sure its nothing more then a joke, but it makes you wonder... >:(

[Jake]

302 had at least two gay refrences about them. I'm sure its nothing more then a joke, but it makes you wonder...

Sibyl's dating computer matched them in 105 too, but whatever.

[Avistew]

Sibyl's dating computer matched them in 105 too, but whatever.

Well, "that puts an end to the idea of a fair and just universe" (or whatever) made it sound like Sam wasn't thrilled.

Also, I suspect she cheated and "matched" the only two people who had applied.

[Lena_P]

What references? Sam and Max barely show up in 302 :confused:

And like Avistew said, people who are raised together from a young age are less likely to become sexually attracted to one another. It's called the Westermarck effect. Sam and Max have apparently known each other from the time they were very young, so I'm guessing it's just a bosom buddies kind of a thing. I don't think either of them has nearly enough emotional maturity to have a romantic or sexual relationship.

I think that's one of the things that makes them so charming, in spite of the wanton violence. They act a lot like kids, and there's this quality that they're just "playing" at being detectives. Max is a psychopath, but he's also naive and super cheerful. Sam is a little more aware of how to deal with people, but he's still pretty self-centered himself. Sort of like how a small child can empathize with others, but not necessarily sympathize. They'll understand from your voice and body language that you're sad, but they might not be able to understand why.

[light_rises]

Yeah, I see Sam and Max as quirky "bros-for-life" in canon. Their relationship isn't straight up brotherly -- though it largely is -- but at its strongest it wanders into "platonic soul mate" territory (or Heterosexual Life Partners, natch). In short, they're awesome, bizarro lifelong friends who embark on awesome, bizarro adventures together. And that is awesome.

I think they're just both at the stage where they think girls are "icky". Sam just seems older because he likes pretending he's a growed up detective.

I tend to think Sam is slightly past that point, but only slightly (e.g. he seems to show sporadic interest in girls, but doesn't really care for the most part). But otherwise yeah; mentally, he's a lot closer to those carefree, halcyon days of burning down treehouses and pulling argyle socks over cats' heads than most might suspect at first blush.

sam and Max are not like that and besides, max likes girls(play 204)

Max's sleazy lothario persona lasted all of the 5 minutes you needed it to advance the plot. Of course he may still like them, but not as much as in 204.

For the record, there's an optional dialogue you can select right after getting Mama Bosco to stop crushing on Max where Sam expresses unease with Max's new girl-liking persona. Max replies that he's pretty sure it'll wear off in about a month.

Or good lifelong friends. See also: Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz. It seems funny and it is, but it's not.

I've been meaning to watch Hot Fuzz for ages, so I must thank you for indirectly reminding me to put it on my Netflix queue. :)

[KuroShiro]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Plastic Eye-Patch]

It's a while since I played it, but in 204 Momma Bosco says something along the lines of Sam and Max being romantically involved. The time machine lift starts saying "Timestream alt...", but Sam interrupts with an angry "Shut up! It's not like that!" If the timestream has to be altered for Sam and Max to be romantic partners, then I'd say it's pretty unlikely they're more than best friends.

[Rather Dashing]

Sibyl's dating computer matched them in 105 too, but whatever.
That's the most convincing evidence against them being a romantic couple, I think. :D

[Avistew]

... Jake, did you say 105? 105, you're sure? Not 104?

[Neelo]

It's 104, on 105 she was just a gametester, on 104 she had dating services.

[Hayden]

Am I the only one that wishes that threads like this didn't exist?

[GuruGuru214]

What's sad is that this is one of the more engaging threads on this board right now. I miss the intellectual threads from when Tales was running.

[Hayden]

What's sad is that this is one of the more engaging threads on this board right now. I miss the intellectual threads from when Tales was running.

I agree. Strongly. That's actually half the reason that I want to see a second season in the near future, because I loved reading and participating in the discussion that went on. Sam & Max really doesn't provide much intelligent discussion.

[Shwoo]

You realise this thread is about their relationship, not about whether or not they're in love with each other? A lot of people seem to have not noticed the difference.

Or do you just have a problem with analysis of fictional characters?

You must remember though while in the animated series, they were brothers I think(I remember they talked about buring their dads briefcase beaver and burying it in the back yard.
Max just said "dad's". He may have been referring to his dad. Speaking of that episode, the flashback where Max makes eggnog in Sam's grandfather's helmet seemed really out of character to me. I guess they were parodying something, but I thought Sam and Max were closer than that.

I love Sam and Max's relationship and will probably have more to say later, but I wanted to say this stuff now.

[GuruGuru214]

The thread may have started out about their relationship, but it immediately derailed into the romantic definition of relationship with the second post and never went back, and everyone either didn't realize or was content to go with it until you pointed it out.

I really like the dynamic they have between them. They sort of balance each other out into something that almost resembles sanity.

[Lena_P]

What? The majority of posts have been about how they're not a couple or even likely to ever have a romantic/sexual relationship. Yes we've been discussing how they need each other emotionally, but you do not draw strength and companionship from romantic relationships alone.

[Shwoo]

The thread may have started out about their relationship, but it immediately derailed into the romantic definition of relationship with the second post and never went back, and everyone either didn't realize or was content to go with it until you pointed it out.
If you think that, you really weren't paying attention.

I think it's kind of funny that most of the people who brought up the romantic definition did that to talk about how wrong that was. Why even mention it?

[Lena_P]

Yeah, I just checked back and only one person suggested they could be gay. So ... yeah.

@Shwoo It seems like whenever two male characters are close and don't have a love interest people immediately assume they're gay. Women can be close friends no problem though. I think it's kind of based on that stereotype that all men are horny idiots who can barely contain their libido, so if they don't chase after chicks there must be something wrong with them. Women, on the other hand, never have sex drives unless they're tongue-tied in front of their "crush" or it's a story made by women for women. At which point they become horny idiots :p

[GuruGuru214]

Okay, apparently I implied that you were implying something and thus read the thread wrong when I went back and re-read it. But really, I'm not sure what other way to take this:

You realise this thread is about their relationship, not about whether or not they're in love with each other? A lot of people seem to have not noticed the difference.

So...I dunno. I guess I just missed your point entirely.

[GTALostHeaven]

Just Like Bert & Earnie I bet they share the same bed (and fyi theres nothing wrong with being gay), Bugs bunny wasnt afraid to dress in drag .. I think Max should try it out lol

[GinnyN]

To be really really really REALLY fair, I cannot and I just cannot think of them as gay. Just as very VERY good friends, maybe because I can somewhat proyect some of my own problems in them, so, I guess I can understand their childish impulses. I like the Gay Jokes, but I like them just like they are: Jokes. Nothing else.

And I guess Sam and Max fans do have sense of humor

[coolsome]

I dont think of them as anythingsexual not towards men women each other ect I think they just like doing mayhem and thats it

[tredlow]

The only thing that makes a gay couple a gay couple is lovemaking and romance. You can live together, go everywhere together, even sleep in the same bed, but if there's no sparks there other than platonic friendship, then they're not gay.

No matter what any cake (http://www.telltalegames.com/images/summer/history2/summer_stevecollettecake.jpg) says.

[GinnyN]

No matter what any cake (http://www.telltalegames.com/images/summer/history2/summer_stevecollettecake.jpg) says.

I love that cake ^^!

[coolsome]

The only thing that makes a gay couple a gay couple is lovemaking and romance. You can live together, go everywhere together, even sleep in the same bed, but if there's no sparks there other than platonic friendship, then they're not gay.

No matter what any cake (http://www.telltalegames.com/images/summer/history2/summer_stevecollettecake.jpg) says.

thats gona be my wedding cake if i ever meet a max

[Player_2]

When you go over the series - play the games, watch the cartoon, read the comics, whatever - you sort of see that the basis of their relationship is caring. They want to protect each other.

They like each other because they're both basically soul mates; I think that Sybil was right about that, even though she was obviously just making it up at the time. (And I don't mean that they're in love with each other. Although I guess that's a possibility. :D)

As long as they have the other to hang out with, then they can feel safe with themselves; if Max is around, Sam knows that he's like him, so it's okay if he's kind of crazy, and vice versa. So if they're not together, then they feel unwhole, since they fit together so well and that confirmation that they're actually okay is gone. The loneliness that comes from it makes them completely inseperable, since they don't want to feel that.

So they want to watch out for each other. They both sort of take on the responsibility for the other, to make sure that they're okay. Basically, they don't care what happens to people or places around them, as long as their friend's still doing fine. So, for example, for Sam, he doesn't care what's going on as long as his little buddy's still there. It's pretty much the same for Max.

They do this both literally and metaphorically. If someone's trying to hurt Max, Sam snaps, and will do whatever he can to protect him. We haven't really seen it the other way around, but we can assume that Max would do the same for him.

But they also take on the role of caretaker for the other, although this might be more subconsciously. Sam is pretty nuts, too, but manages to stay calmer than Max because he kind of feels like he has to set a good example for Max, since Max never really grew up. He's still pretty immature and naive. It's like when parents are careful not to swear in front of children.

That's how Max influences Sam. Sam can be pretty out of control, too, but as long as Max is there to reign him back in, then Sam can maintain a pretense of stability. His presence reminds Sam, "How can you set a good example for me if you lose it? How can you take care of me if you're acting like that?"

And I'm gonna stop now, even though I feel like I have more to say, since I've been going on waaaaaay too long and I wanna stop rambling. :o

[kane]

I men inseparable fenders no more no less
and time and space is afraid of a samless max

[jaden551]

They do this both literally and metaphorically. If someone's trying to hurt Max, Sam snaps, and will do whatever he can to protect him. We haven't really seen it the other way around, but we can assume that Max would do the same for him.

In 205 he kills dick peacock because he took over max's role as sam's partner uif that is enough evidence.

[Giant Tope]

The only thing that makes a gay couple a gay couple is lovemaking and romance.

eh, I wouldn't exactly say this is the definite case. I know some couples who love each other greatly, but just aren't interested in sex. I also know some couples who admit to like kissing more than sex and therefore do the prior instead of the latter. That said, they love each other in a romantic way and not platonicly.

[Ophenix]

I am so going to write a FanFic about the two of them and Jorgen...

[Avistew]

@Shwoo It seems like whenever two male characters are close and don't have a love interest people immediately assume they're gay. Women can be close friends no problem though.

Don't forget the male+female combo. It's a well known fact that a male and female can't be "just" friends, there has to be more to it, the characters are just too scared of damaging their friendship, or lying to themselves, or something.

[jaden551]

so...... girl stinky and sam?

[Omegabegin]

I will not write another essay. I will not write another essay. I will not write another essay.

No, they don't blatantly show attraction to either sex, but at the same time they don't shy away from the idea of romantic relations with the few women they know (Sybil comes to mind, when she leads them to believe that she's interested in dating and both Sam and Max come to the conclusion that she means them.)

There are lots of examples here and there to assess their sexuality, but compiling it all, I'm sticking with "asexual with a slight exception for women".

Besides, as stated, romance isn't necessarily what this thread is about.

[tabstis]

I love the way everyone is discussing this so seriously in what is a completely random and totally light-hearted game :D

[jaden551]

light hearted? LIGHT HEARTED? THIS IS WAR!!!!

[Cheri]

I love the way everyone is discussing this so seriously in what is a completely random and totally light-hearted game :D
It's the internet, debate is everywhere.

[Omegabegin]

light hearted? LIGHT HEARTED? THIS IS WAR!!!!

What's this I hear?
What wondrous thing?
Is this the Defcon klaxon's ring?

A flashing light...
Above the doooor! There's just one thing it could mean...

[Lena_P]

So they want to watch out for each other. They both sort of take on the responsibility for the other, to make sure that they're okay. Basically, they don't care what happens to people or places around them, as long as their friend's still doing fine. So, for example, for Sam, he doesn't care what's going on as long as his little buddy's still there. It's pretty much the same for Max.



You know, this is also true of all of us. People kind of pretend to care about other people, but when you get right down to it we only really "care" about our close group of friends and family. Not that people are unconcerned with the welfare of others; if that were true there wouldn't be Doctors without Borders(MSF) or human shields. But if there was an earthquake here I know my family overseas would only be worried about me and the rest of my family. They'd feel bad for everyone else and probably donate money or supplies, but they wouldn't lose sleep over them. You literally can't worry and love everyone in the world; it'd probably kill you. So Sam and Max's relationship isn't really that different from the relationship most of us have with our loved ones, they're just a little more honest (and extreme) about it.

Don't forget the male+female combo. It's a well known fact that a male and female can't be "just" friends, there has to be more to it, the characters are just too scared of damaging their friendship, or lying to themselves, or something.

Soooo true. Except not in real life. It's amazing that people will not accept something as "being realistic" in a story when they come across it all the time in the actual world. And of course there's the other side where people in films still tend to fall in love at first sight and care so deeply for each other even though we've never bee shown any evidence of why they'd feel that way. Hey, they're both pretty, that's enough! :p

[GuruGuru214]

Hey, it does happen (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStraightWillAndGrace), just not very often.

[Lena_P]

Although half of the couples on that list either had dated or had one character with an unrequited crush for the other. More of a Sybil and the Monster thing, which would make a great band name, incidentally.

[GuruGuru214]

To be fair, that's also how it works out in real life half the time. Hell, my best friend and I are a Straight Will and Grace, and I'm the Unlucky Childhood Friend.

[Lena_P]

You know, sometimes I feel guilty for still being single at 27 (I'm a girl! We're not supposed to be afraid of commitment!), but then I read something like that and realize there are worse things than emotional immaturity.

[Avistew]

You know, sometimes I feel guilty for still being single at 27 (I'm a girl! We're not supposed to be afraid of commitment!), but then I read something like that and realize there are worse things than emotional immaturity.

Why would you feel guilty? At your age, my husband hadn't even held hands with the opposite gender if you exclude family members.
Did you go out of your way to kick people you loved out of your life or something? Because otherwise, really, if you don't meet someone you like, you don't.

[Lena_P]

No, no, no! Nothing like that! It's just that after I turned 16 people asked me if I had a boyfriend, and then after I was 20 it became do you have a boyfriend yet? Not my dad's side of the family or close friends, but just about every other person I'm acquainted with. I don't really feel guilty about it, it's just that there is kind of this feeling that I've done something wrong by not having had a romantic relationship.

[GinnyN]

I don't have a boyfriend either (I'm 25 :P). My mom and relatives don't even asked me about it, but looks like my Granma asks to my Mom about it. All the time. Full stop.

But, if you wanna know, I have a cousin who got recently married who is, at least, 10 years older than me. That must say something.

[Avistew]

Haha, don't worry about that. When you have a boyfriend (I don't mean you. Feel free never to have any, it's not like it's a requirement or anything. I meant people in general) they ask you when you're getting married or why you're not married yet and either accuse him "if he hasn't proposed yet he's fooling around with you" or you "you must have done something wrong!".
Then when you're married people ask how many children you have, then are shocked, ask why you don't have any yet, and why you got married if you don't even have kids.

And from what I heard, if you have one child and don't plan on having more, you're bombed with questions of why you don't have another child yet, and comment as to how it's cruel not to give your child siblings. Which I find hilarious considering among my childhood friends, all the single children were delighted not to have siblings, and all the ones with siblings (me included) wish they never had any.

Anyway, I guess some people have a very closed vision of life, with a specific pattern and specific steps that everyone has to go through, in a specific order, at a specific time, and for some reason they're not only surprised but sometimes offended that you're not following that pattern.

Meh. Live your own life on your own path. I understand it's annoying though, but hey, you're not going to do all this stuff just to make people shut up, anyways :p.

[jaden551]

what a long way of saying " don't worry about a thing 'cause every little thing is gonna cause questioning"

[Avistew]

what a long way of saying " don't worry about a thing 'cause every little thing is gonna cause questioning"

Thx.

[kane]

O so you one of the person I herd of mien when I was 5 everyone side I was rile macho and shed sham person like 50 is not a macho so don't worry

[onionmaster]

If Steve didn't intend for them to come across as gay, then they aren't. It's as simple as that. Personally I just think both characters are asexual and Max just has an unconnected hatred of women, which is common amongst people with his psychopathic nature. But really, they're detectives, they shouldn't be doing that sort of thing at the workplace.

I think it is a sad world where every relationship has to be seen as sexual. It was definitely not like this when I was growing up.

[kane]

well max is a pharidox in episode 1 of season 3 he acts like he likes girls a rand Ms Bosco

[Lena_P]

I'm beginning to suspect that some people aren't reading any of the posts and are just assuming that a discussion of Sam and Max's relationship runs along the lines of "Oh my god, I so think they r gay, don't u? They never kiss with girls and Max has no pants, u know what thatmeans, lol!"

Seriously people, when Telltale finally has a gay character I don't think they'll hide him/her behind an ambiguous relationship.

[GinnyN]

And that without taken the account the half of gay jokes are related of what the other people think about always see them together and the other half are just conversations that can be assumed but also cannot and still make sense.

[Lena_P]

Seriously, Max doesn't even have visible genitalia or any kind of abdominal orifice for that matter! Huh. Now I'm wondering how he poops.

[kane]

you don't what to you don't need to no and in max words it nun of you dame bigness

[Avistew]

"Doesn't wear pants" is listed as a sign of gender (namely male) in TV Tropes. And it's not uncommon in cartoons. Max is completely naked, which isn't uncommon either. Even among other anthropomorphic animals who aren't naked (Looney Toones, anyone?).

Lena's question reminds me of how the 1001 Dalmatians movie disturbed me when it came out. The posters had digitally modified puppies and it was very weird to look at.

[Ezny]

They've been friends since they were little kids, and have stuck together through the years. Pretty simple really. Any joke about them being gay for each other is simply for comedic value and doesn't have any real meaning.

[splash1]

Sam & Max are obvious life long friends, just because Max wears no clothes doesn't mean he's a homo. Besides, he buys a jacket in the near future!! And Maximus wears clothes.

[Giant Tope]

Sam & Max are obvious life long friends, just because Max wears no clothes doesn't mean he's a homo.

no homo

[KuroShiro]

...

...

Sigh.

[Giant Tope]

hm?

[light_rises]

Okay. So! Because there's more to this topic than "Are they or aren't they?", I'm going to talk about Sam and Max's childhoods for a bit. Or more precisely, some conclusions I've drawn from looking at various bits of debatable and not-so-debatable canon. [Full Disclosure: A generous chunk of these thoughts were sparked by content posted on the Sam and Max Character Pages for the Sam & Max Wiki (http://samandmax.net/wiki/Main_Page).]

I begin with a gratuitous image of their aforementioned soft, marketable baby-styled selves:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/LightRises/SnM_-_Terror_on_the_TanbarkCROP.jpg

Aww, how cute.

The relevance? Well, "Terror on the Tanbark" is about young Max's attempted takedown of a bully who beat up Sam. The implications become more substantiated if this quote from an old interview (http://www.telltalegames.com/community/blogs/id-329) (with Steve Purcell, who's answering as both Sam and Max) is thrown on the table:

How and where did you both meet?

Sam: In the 12th Century I was a club-footed nomadic stone mason and Max was a bog person. Our colorful misadventures are the stuff of many a strolling medieval troubadour.

Max: Really? Cause I thought we met in third grade when I stole back your sack lunch from that kindergartener that beat the snot out of you.

Sam: Oh yeah. I forgot.

So it seems Sam was bullied quite a bit as a child. And once he had Max for a friend, Sam relied on Max to pick his fights for him on at least a few occasions. Possibly more.

Also: In Chariots of the Dogs, we find out that little Sam will follow Max's lead in just about anything, and that Max has no qualms about stepping all over Sam if it means getting his way. Sam was also once a computer geek, a trait commonly (if stereotypically) associated with introversion.

My conjecture? Max is and has always been comfortable in his own skin -- something a picked-on kid like Sam can admire. And even though Max was arguably a worse friend to Sam back then, their friendship was still established by an event where one protected the other. I tend to imagine kid!Max attacking Sam's provocateurs with a mindset akin to a sibling who won't stand anyone but himself messing with his kid brother. The fact that Max has never cared what anyone else thinks also leaves room for young Sam to be himself in ways he probably can't around other people.

A lot of this carries into adulthood. Sam is much more comfortable with himself and calls all the shots now, but he still admires -- and is constantly cracked up by -- Max's lack of inhibitions. He's also not without some insecurities, and with few exceptions can't totally ignore his instinct to please others. (He is a dog after all. A six-foot tall talking dog who walks upright, but still.) Max's end of the relationship has evolved from just hanging around Sam because they share the same interests to actually caring about Sam's opinions ... at least most of the time. And whatever else happens, their loyalty to each other never falters when it absolutely needs to count for something.

All of this is to say that Sam and Max have always been more alike than not; and in some ways their friendship might have acted as a means of bringing latent character traits to the surface. But there's enough differences to leave room for the kind of "rubbing off on each other" which can only come with two people spending so much time together. Which traits were changed or brought about which, on the other hand, is a matter for debate.

Aaannnnd now I've written an essay too. Yikes. I cannot claim the same finesse as Omegabegin in this area, but hey, I've gotta start somewhere. ^^;

[Breakman]

Aaannnnd now I've written an essay too. Yikes. I cannot claim the same finesse as Omegabegin in this area, but hey, I've gotta start somewhere. ^^;

You sell yourself short. I love these well-written posts. ::giggles with glee::

And again! I should get back to working on the Wiki! >_< Might as well tonight since I have nothing to do tomorrow!

[Lena_P]

I liked your essay. It had pictures! Also, there really isn't any "are they aren't they" debate. They aren't. It's preeeeeeeetty established. I'm also getting a little uncomfortable at some of the language that is starting to be used. I don't think you guys mean anything by it, but can we please try to avoid terms like "homo" or "gay for each other"? Yeah, maybe I'm a little sensitive, but if you'll humor me I'll give you a cookie!

[thesporkman]

Homo? Non sunt homines! Sam canis est, et Max lepus est. :P

[Avistew]

I don't think you guys mean anything by it, but can we please try to avoid terms like "homo" or "gay for each other"? Yeah, maybe I'm a little sensitive, but if you'll humor me I'll give you a cookie!

I'm very sorry to ask about it just when you want people to stop talking about it... But what's wrong with the word "homo"? Isn't that the normal, non-slang way to say it? I might be influenced by French use of "homo" and "hétéro" to mean gay and straight respectively, but I'm confused as what would be offensive about it.

[Shwoo]

Homo is a bit dehumanising. Gay is the non-offensive term.

I'd also like people to stop using "gay" to mean "in a relationship with each other." Two friends of the same gender can be gay and not attracted to each other. I could believe in Max being gay and not realising it, though that I doubt it, but I can't believe in him being attracted to Sam. He'd probably find that gross no matter the circumstances.
So it seems Sam was bullied quite a bit as a child. And once he had Max for a friend, Sam relied on Max to pick his fights for him on at least a few occasions. Possibly more.

Also: In Chariots of the Dogs, we find out that little Sam will follow Max's lead in just about anything, and that Max has no qualms about stepping all over Sam if it means getting his way. Sam was also once a computer geek, a trait commonly (if stereotypically) associated with introversion.

My conjecture? Max is and has always been comfortable in his own skin -- something a picked-on kid like Sam can admire. And even though Max was arguably a worse friend to Sam back then, their friendship was still established by an event where one protected the other. I tend to imagine kid!Max attacking Sam's provocateurs with a mindset akin to a sibling who won't stand anyone but himself messing with his kid brother. The fact that Max has never cared what anyone else thinks also leaves room for young Sam to be himself in ways he probably can't around other people.
I completely agree. You've said what I think about their childhoods much better than I could.

[thesporkman]

Edit: Never mind. Shwoo already explained it. And my explanation was long-winded and included examples of other offensive words that probably didn't need to be explained.

[Giant Tope]

I don't think you guys mean anything by it, but can we please try to avoid terms like "homo" or "gay for each other"? Yeah, maybe I'm a little sensitive, but if you'll humor me I'll give you a cookie!

Sorry madm'. I used "no homo" to mock splash's offensive use of vocabulary. Really. I'm reading back on my comments and I feel that I may have come off as homophobic. I'm sorry if I seem like that. i doubt it'll make me look better, but i'm gay myself so...

I suppose my reasonings is that I'm in a bros-for-life relationship with a very dear friend. People often mistake us for a couple and I find that somewhat uncomfortable and offensive frankly. It doesn't do so much with the idea of gayness itself. It has to do with stuff that runs deep in the skin, so that's just me.

[Lena_P]

Naw, it's okay Tope. Like I said, I don't think anyone meant to be offensive, I just figure it's worth asking :)

[Irishmile]

I was never single.... but I have a friend that is always single.. If I had not married and had kids I could totally see myself having the same kind of symbiotic relationship with my friend hanging out and always together.... I still say they are more like brothers.... and their relationship is more of the "you are the only other person alive that understands me
" kind of thing.

[Pantagruel's Friend]

If Steve didn't intend for them to come across as gay, then they aren't. It's as simple as that.

This is actually not true! What you're putting into your characters is usually far more than what you intend - at least when you're inspired.

Having said that, none of the actions of either Sam or Max indicate they're sexually interested in the other - all I recall is a low number of innuendos (like in S1E4), which didn't live further than a few frames / seconds.

I'm also getting a little uncomfortable at some of the language that is starting to be used. I don't think you guys mean anything by it, but can we please try to avoid terms like "homo" or "gay for each other"? Yeah, maybe I'm a little sensitive, but if you'll humor me I'll give you a cookie!

Mmmmkay, but what's the politically correct word, then? I thought "gay" was OK.
(Wait. Did I just write "politically correct" in a Sam&Max forum? :D )

[Shwoo]

"Gay" is fine, unless you're using it as slang for "silly". "Gay for each other" isn't.

[Giant Tope]

Idk, is that offensive? I never really thought it was.

Also, I'd say gay is a lot better than homosexual because homosexual implies sex, therefore people use the word for scare tactics. And that's frankly not cool.

[Avistew]

Also, I'd say gay is a lot better than homosexual because homosexual implies sex, therefore people use the word for scare tactics. And that's frankly not cool.

Homosexual doesn't imply sex. Not sexual relationships, I mean. It comes from "homo" (the same) and sex as in biological sex. "Heterosexual" => different sexes. That's all there is to it. I do find "androphile" and "gynephile" less confusing tought. And bi of course is self-explanatory. I usually say I like guys because I can never remember if I'm homosexual or heterosexual. You need to take your biological sex (figuratively), the people you're attracted to's sex, and compare the two. It's three different steps instead of just one ("who am I attracted to?").

"Gay for each other" sounds weird to me. I'm not "straight for so and so", I'm just straight. It's kind of turning sexual identity into a type of feeling or something. That's a bit weird. But I can't judge easily what's offensive or not in another language.

Also, I'm so sorry for starting this >.>

[Lena_P]

This is actually not true! What you're putting into your characters is usually far more than what you intend - at least when you're inspired.

This is just like the Asimov short story "The Immortal Bard" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Immortal_Bard). For those too lazy to follow the link, a scientist brings Shakespeare into the present, where the Bard enrolls himself in a night class studying his own works. The teacher flunks him.

This is supposedly based on Azimov's own experience when an English professor went on and on about the deeper meanings of one of Azimov's stories. After the class Azimov explained who he was and told the professor that he was full of it, presumably politely. The professor stared at him then said, "What do you know? You're the author."

Suffice to say people can read different things into something, but that doesn't mean the author didn't have a clear idea of what he was trying to achieve in the first place.

[Avistew]

I remember my literature classes stresses "don't assume that the author's interpretation is the "right one"/ the only valid one". Not only can you put a lot of meaning subconsciously, but once something is published, it "belongs" to the readers. I very much agree with Hugo on this.

From a 1878 speech, translated by yours truly:

Before it is published, the author has undeniable, unlimited rights over his work. But as soon as it is published, the author isn't its owner anymore. The other person takes possession of it, call it what you will: human spirit, public domain, society. [...] Your blood heir inherits your blood. The writer, as a writer, only has one heir, that's the spirit heir, the human spirit, the public domain. This is the absolute truth.

I believe that when you share your story, it stops belonging to you. Everyone owns its own version of it, and it's part of them. So I don't think there is a "right" and a "wrong" answer when you analyze a story. There might be if you only care about analyzing the author's story... But what's the point? So many more meanings can appear after the author's death. It can become a symbol for something that didn't even exist at the time.

I'm all for taking the author's opinion and interpretation into account though.

[tabstis]

And who says intelligent conversation is dead...

[jaden551]

max does

[Lena_P]

No, I understand that. That's why I said the author probably has a clear idea of what they were trying to achieve. At the same time it bugs the hell out of me when people dissect something to death. When they don't talk about the characters and their actions and motivations but what they "symbolized". It never seems to occur to them that a writer might be trying to create "real" characters who live and breathe and fart. No, they must symbolize lust or angst or the national deficit or something :mad:

I remember my history teacher telling us the old chestnut about how The Wizard of Oz was all about bimetallism, because she wore silver slippers on the yellow brick road and walked to the Emerald City. After class I explained to my teacher that that metaphor was bogus; Baum never wrote anything like that into the story. She smiled at me and basically said I didn't notice it because I was a child when I read the story.

I said, "No, it doesn't work because the Emerald City isn't actually all green in the book. It just looks that way because everyone is forced to wear green-tinted glasses before entering the city under the ruse of "protecting their eyes from the city's overwhelming glare". When they debunk the Wizard everyone finally takes their glasses off and see the truth. It's not 'til later that the city really does become covered in gems. Also Baum did include allegory in his later stories and it was really, really obvious."

She was an awesome teacher so admitted that I was probably right. I love people who can admit when they're wrong :)

[Avistew]

Hehe, I remember in high school a bunch of student told my literary teacher about how authors didn't care about that kind of stuff we were analyzing and it was stupid to do so, and the next day the teacher came to class with a book that had copies of the notes of some French author - can't remember who - and we were all completely taken aback. Every single word was super analyzed and replaced with one that served the message better, etc.

Bottom line is, it really depends. Some authors will intend deep meanings, some won't, and you can over-analyze things but you can also miss things completely.

What I do agree with is that if the author says "I didn't do that intentionally", we should believe them. We can still interpret it that way, it's there, and they might have done it without noticing, but let's not call them filthy liars.

[Didero]

they must symbolize [...] the national deficit or something :mad:
To be fair, Max is actually pretty good at that.

[Omegabegin]

[essay]

Aaannnnd now I've written an essay too. Yikes. I cannot claim the same finesse as Omegabegin in this area, but hey, I've gotta start somewhere. ^^;

*Claps*

Nonsense, I loved it! Visual cues are always an excellent addition to any essay as well; good job on that ;)

We should so start a coalition of essay writers.

[Rather Dashing]

To be fair, Max is actually pretty good at that.
Actually, if you go down to the core of the message, Sam is the national deficit. See, Max is the exuberant and thoughtless actions that LEADS to the deficit. Notice how he seems very dualistic, mentally fractured. This obviously is meant to show how the problems that cause the national deficit are caused by mutliple people, but in this combined into a single problem, leading to the split. Sam and Max spend all of their time together because Sam is the deficit, they CAN'T be separated because they can't exist without each other.

Notice how Sam seems to try and reign in Max's actions, notice how he seems to prefer the simpler things in life? The deficit itself is a thing that pulls back our actions, it limits us, it makes us somewhat less exuberant. Notice how, in the finale of Season Two, they go to Hell and have statues there in their honor. Perhaps the deficit and the actions of various parties that cause it cause far greater evils than we can realize? Notice how, in the next episode, the caninification of the deficit(Sam) is suddenly left without the problems that cause it to exist. Now he seems lost, doesn't he? He feels like a very part of his being is stripped away, and suddenly becomes violent, erratic. This is what happens when you take away the creature comforts of government spending, you find yourself with an uncomfortable period of adjustment and anger from certain parties. The deficit will fight to exist.

The full message probably won't be clear until the finale of The Devil's Playhouse. After all, this season is far more story-centric. That means that the financial messages offered by the Sam and Max universe are going to become less and less subdued as time goes on, it's the natural progression of things.

[jaden551]

If their is no evidence then thier should be no essay otherwise what would be the point?

[Lena_P]

@avistew I didn't say the author isn't going for an effect; I meant people try to force their ideas onto a text without trying to understand it as a whole first. I had a friend read a story for me about a young woman traveling to an island. The story is basically the conversation between the girl and the boatman on the row over. She told me that my description of that trip reminded her almost exactly of the time she visited an island off the coast of Ireland. The misty, quiet day and sense of mystery and expectation matched her experience almost perfectly. She asked if I'd had something like that in mind when I wrote the story and I told her no, I've never even been to Ireland. It was a wonderful to feel that my story had connected so deeply to her personal experience, though.

At the same time if someone told me the water they were crossing was actually the River Styx, and the boatman was carrying the young woman across to the afterlife I would tell them flat out that wasn't so. My story was meant to be very much about life, and my characters were never named, but to me they are still very much real and alive with back stories I discovered as I was writing. I admit that I don't know everything about the two of them, I'm always learning new things about my characters as I write for them, but what I do know about I am personally very definite on. Not everything necessarily gets into a story either. Most of the time my notes are twice as long as the story itself; very rarely do I hammer it out as I write it. I try to give my reader the minimum of information they need to understand the story since I think there is a beauty in efficiency, and it opens up more to the readers imagination.

I'm not interested in writing "literature", but that doesn't mean I don't want to challenge my readers either. When a book takes pains to spell everything out for me I get bored; I figure my readers might be the same way.

To be fair, Max is actually pretty good at that.

Symbolizing the national deficit? :confused:

[Avistew]

I totally agree with you. I was just trying to show how it goes both way.
Incidentally, my mother does that. Correct you on stuff. When she first met Ian he talked about taking the bus in winter and she corrected him saying that buses didn't run in winter because of the snow. He then talked about something else Canadian and there again she interrupted him to tell him what he actually meant.
It's extremely frustrating and I should know, I grew up with that.

[tabstis]

WOW

need I say more?

[Lena_P]

God I hate that. When I first moved to California people did that to me constantly. That's why after a couple years I gave up talking about growing up overseas, or my past at all. It just seemed impossible to convince them I wasn't a liar, so I decided to let people assume whatever they wanted. You can try your hardest to make a "statement" or create a persona for yourself, but in the end there really is only so much you can do to control other people's perception of you. I decided that what other people think of me doesn't really matter. Their thoughts don't change my intrinsic nature, so why worry about it? If I was ever going to change their minds I could only do it through action, not words.

Okay, so that's not technically getting the thread back on track, but it is talking about our relationships as individuals with society so it's at least heading in the right direction. :p

[Didero]

Okay, so that's not technically getting the thread back on track, but it is talking about our relationships as individuals with society so it's at least heading in the right direction. :p
I'll help!
So, do you guys think Sam and Max are gay?




:p

[Avistew]

You can try your hardest to make a "statement" or create a persona for yourself, but in the end there really is only so much you can do to control other people's perception of you. I decided that what other people think of me doesn't really matter. Their thoughts don't change my intrinsic nature, so why worry about it?

Good for you. I agree with that.
It's hard not to care when your parents don't believe a word you say and you're forced to live with them, though.
Fortunately, that kind of situation is only temporary.

[jaden551]

I'll help!
So, do you guys think Sam and Max are gay?

Who wants to tell him?:mad:

[tabstis]

Look, let's leave this to Sam and Max to confess themselves, guys.

[tabstis]

Relevant to topic:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3470/samandmaxcomic1.png
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5391/samandmaxcomic2.png
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/897/samandmaxcomic3.png
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8017/samandmaxcomic4.png
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8658/samandmaxcomic5.png
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9083/samandmaxcomic6.png

[jaden551]

you only made the comic so you could try that guy's method of puting the comic on the forum.

[mightypiratetm]

302 had at least two gay refrences about them. I'm sure its nothing more then a joke, but it makes you wonder...
and 301 has when you find the hard luck ring give it to max and you will see a funny cutscene

[tabstis]

you only made the comic so you could try that guy's method of puting the comic on the forum.

shhhhhhhhh

[jaden551]

this doesn'thelp.

[mightypiratetm]

anyway i don't think they are gay they are just friends with a close connection like brothers

[jaden551]

anyway i don't think they are gay they are just friends with a close connection like brothers

THIS THREADis NOT ABOUT THEM BEING GAY! WHY DO YOU PEOPEL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?

[Pantagruel's Friend]

Holy sh*t, you gals have a lot of time on your hands :) (or type insanely fast)

Suffice to say people can read different things into something, but that doesn't mean the author didn't have a clear idea of what he was trying to achieve in the first place.

I remember my literature classes stresses "don't assume that the author's interpretation is the "right one"/ the only valid one".


What I do agree with is that if the author says "I didn't do that intentionally", we should believe them. We can still interpret it that way, it's there, and they might have done it without noticing, but let's not call them filthy liars.

I feel we're mixing up two different parts of the "process", at least a little bit. It's one thing how the writer shapes characters - usually he has a clear idea where they're going, but sometimes something unintentional slips in, and, especially in a long story, the characters may stray from what the author has intended for them originally. The best example here is probably Tolstoy and Anna Karenina - when he was asked why he killed her, he replied: "I didn't kill her. She died."

Reader's interpretation is quite another story. It depends on so many things - personality, maturity, current life situation, actual mood, etc. This is actually a great thing about literature (or any form of art), but it can be quite painful when a specific interpretation is taught as universal truth - both examples (the Asimov story and the Oz story) demonstrate this very well.

To get back from quite a long curve, I do think it's possible to create a gay character duo, without consciously intending it, like a kind of secret confession - however, I'm sure it's not the case with Sam and Max.

[Rather Dashing]

guys why do you keep sayin sam n max r gay? i dont agree with the op sam n max arnt gay

[jaden551]

guys why do you keep sayin sam n max r gay? i dont agree with the op sam n max arnt gay

why are you being so stupid and I am going to tell you what we have told everyone else NOONE IS CALLING SAM AND MAX GAY THIS ISJUST A DISCUSSION A BOUT THEIR NONE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AND NOTHING ELSE!

[Giant Tope]

jaden you need to chill out and realize what's sarcasm.

[Rather Dashing]

why are you being so stupid and I am going to tell you what we have told everyone else NOONE IS CALLING SAM AND MAX GAY THIS ISJUST A DISCUSSION A BOUT THEIR NONE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AND NOTHING ELSE!


escuse me they used the word relationship i think u know what that means ;) ;) ;)

[Comrade Pants]

escuse me they used the word relationship i think u know what that means ;) ;) ;)

Wow, Dashing. Either you've received blunt trauma to the language centers of your brain; or your spelling, grammar and logic have devolved to that of an American teenage girl. Well done. I'll be sure to inform Doctor Suchong of this breakthrough in neuroscience.

Also, they're totally gay. I mean, look at Sam's tie.

[Ophenix]

Also, they're totally gay. I mean, look at Sam's tie.
I wonder who is the bottom in thier relationship. I'm tempted to say Max because he is the smaller and cuter one, but I could see Sam in that role... *drools*

[Comrade Pants]

I wonder who is the bottom in thier relationship. I'm tempted to say Max because he is the smaller and cuter one, but I could see Sam in that role... *drools*

Look, I'm pretty sure Max would be crushed if he weren't the top. Now, if you will pardon me, I'm off to acquire a bottle of bleach for my cranial cavity. I'll be back later, because of Vita-Chambers.

[Ophenix]

Look, I'm pretty sure Max would be crushed if he weren't the top.
Nonsense. They would obviously go doggie style =^.~=

[mightypiratetm]

Sam:They Calling us gay this is ridiculous
Max:I will go there and bite them with my sarpy teeth
Sam:I have a better idea :calls someone:
Sam:Yes Telltale forum assistant i want to ban the following members :says usernames:
Forum assistant:BANNED
(i wish this would be real and all the haters get banned)

[Giant Tope]

I wonder who is the bottom in thier relationship. I'm tempted to say Max because he is the smaller and cuter one, but I could see Sam in that role... *drools*

Nonsense. They would obviously go doggie style =^.~=

what.

Sam:They Calling us gay this is ridiculous
Max:I will go there and bite them with my sarpy teeth
Sam:I have a better idea :calls someone:
Sam:Yes Telltale forum assistant i want to ban the following members :says usernames:
Forum assistant:BANNED
(i wish this would be real and all the haters get banned)

what?

[Comrade Pants]

Sam:They Calling us gay this is ridiculous
Max:I will go there and bite them with my sarpy teeth
Sam:I have a better idea :calls someone:
Sam:Yes Telltale forum assistant i want to ban the following members :says usernames:
Forum assistant:BANNED
(i wish this would be real and all the haters get banned)

You do realize, don't you, that saying they're gay isn't necessarily being a hater? You are such a small minded parasite if you are actually so prejudiced against homosexuals. I hope you wear a mark of shame, Parasite. The city will soon forget you.

Also, Ophenix... Um... You really have taken this idea to heart, haven't you? I really hope you don't have a deviantart or something. This is something I don't think the Internet is prepared to see brought to life.

[jaden551]

I think this thread has gone too in apropriate ,this is why I was all serious in telling peiople off,young children read thjis!

[tabstis]

I can't believe uve all had such a serious conversation on such an absurd subject.

Sam and Max are not gay.

FULL STOP

[Giant Tope]

I think this thread has gone too in apropriate ,this is why I was all serious in telling peiople off,young children read thjis!

other than ophniex's "did you just say that out loud?" comments, I don't think there was anything here that's particularly worth thinking of the children for.

[Comrade Pants]

other than ophniex's "did you just say that out loud?" comments, I don't think there was anything here that's particularly worth thinking of the children for.

It's true. Why, I've even been comparatively well behaved.



I think this thread has gone too in apropriate ,this is why I was all serious in telling peiople off,young children read thjis!

I can't believe uve all had such a serious conversation on such an absurd subject.

Sam and Max are not gay.

FULL STOP


Your typing is terrible.

[jaden551]

I was only comenting on ophenix's posts wasn't it made clear?sorry.

[Comrade Pants]

I was only comenting on ophenix's posts wasn't it made clear?sorry.

Your typing is terrible.

[Omegabegin]

Can we not tear at each other's throats like rabid animals? All of this bickering is very unnecessary.

I have already said that I don't personally see either as falling into any particular sexual orientation, but if people want to debate whether or not they're gay, I think they have the right to. This thread is titled "Sam & Max's Relationship", not "Sam & Max's Bromance", or "Sam & Max's Romantic Relationship".

Every person in this thread has the right to express his or her views on the matter--their relationship, be it platonic or romantic--and telling someone that he or she can't just because it's not what you agree with is hypocritical and misleading.

[Comrade Pants]

Can we not tear at each other's throats like rabid animals? All of this bickering is very unnecessary.

I have already said that I don't personally see either as falling into any particular sexual orientation, but if people want to debate whether or not they're gay, I think they have the right to. This thread is titled "Sam & Max's Relationship", not "Sam & Max's Bromance", or "Sam & Max's Romantic Relationship".

Every person in this thread has the right to express his or her views on the matter--their relationship, be it platonic or romantic--and telling someone that he or she can't just because it's not what you agree with is hypocritical and misleading.

Who are you calling a rabid animal? I have a human avatar.

[jaden551]

Your typing is terrible.

There is only 2 mistakes.

[Comrade Pants]

There is only 2 mistakes.

There are only two mistakes and I am a horrible person.

FTFY

[jaden551]

you are EVIL!

[Comrade Pants]

you are EVIL!

You're just now figuring that out?

[jaden551]

You're just now figuring that out?

well you're avatar seems normal and you can't specify tone on a thread so...
yeah.

P.S. my ninja is going to attack you.

[Comrade Pants]

well you're avatar seems normal and you can't specify tone on a thread so...
yeah.

P.S. my ninja is going to attack you.

Your typing is terrible. This means your opinion doesn't matter.
Also, ninjas can't swim and I live underwater.

[tabstis]

Stop bullying jaden or me and him will team up with Sam and Max (we've been to the cinema with them ;) ) and will invade your underwater base with our giant aquatic platypuses. :D

[Comrade Pants]

Stop bullying jaden or me and him will team up with Sam and Max (we've been to the cinema with them ;) ) and will invade your underwater base with our giant aquatic platypuses. :D

Ok, look. I know what you mean by team up. You guys won't be in a mood to invade anything, especially once the booze begins to flow.

[jaden551]

Ok, look. I know what you mean by team up. You guys won't be in a mood to invade anything, especially once the booze begins to flow.

ewewewewewewewewewewewewewew

Do you KNOW how old I am?

[Comrade Pants]

ewewewewewewewewewewewewewew

Do you KNOW how old I am?

No, not really. Go away.

[jaden551]

I have just as much, in fact more right than you in this thread as I was first here so you go away.

[Ophenix]

Ok, look. I know what you mean by team up. You guys won't be in a mood to invade anything, especially once the booze begins to flow.
I'm sure theres some sort of innuendo here, for somthing... I'm just not sure what XD

[Comrade Pants]

I have just as much, in fact more right than you in this thread as I was first here so you go away.

Yes, but I don't type like a brain damaged splicer. Also, I am of sufficient age to handle the adult content this thread now contains. You fit neither of these requirements.

[jaden551]

you shouldn't be wriiting adult aimed conent when people just started sugesting at sex in the MI fan-art thread they were gven a warning, now people can outright say it and it's just not on.

[Comrade Pants]

you shouldn't be writig adult aimed conent when people just stared sugesting at sex in the mi fan art thread they were gven a warning, now people can outright say it,it is just not on.

I'm sorry, but your typing really is awful and I refuse to damage my brain by reading it. Write better and maybe your opinion will matter.

[jaden551]

I fixed it, happy?

[Jake]

Whoops I think we're done here. Some interesting posts in this thread, but you guys have become terrible in the last few months with horribly derailing conversations.