PS3 Users have spoken through the new rating system about the quality of the demo.

[roberttitus]

It currently has a 2.73/5 from 442 people WHO HAVE PLAYED THE DEMO (IE None of that 360 BS where you can just click on some random game & rate it).

Ouch!!! That one has got to hurt!!! :D

[Purple Tentacle]

Haha, I noticed that! The same thing with TOMI, at least the last time I checked. Luckily the full game unlocks got a more deserving score. Something like 4.79, I think :)

[roberttitus]

Out of like 3 people. The full version of Sam & Max has a whopping total of ONE rating.

[Purple Tentacle]

Yikes! I didn't look at the amount of people before. That's quite sad :(

[Dandi8]

Just goes to show how weird some people are.
I mean... How could you NOT enjoy Sam & Max?

...

HOW COULD YOU!?

[roberttitus]

Just goes to show how weird some people are.
I mean... How could you NOT enjoy Sam & Max?

...

HOW COULD YOU!?

I like most of season one, The first part of Ice Station Santa & Chariot of the Dogs (both from season two)... but that is as far I go. I hate most of Season 2 & so far I am not liking Season 3 either.

[Gibbeynator]

Well, to be fair, the demo is only the opening of The Penal Zone... and The Penal Zone has a ton of issues with it.

[Irishmile]

I think part of the problem is that many console gamers expect more action... when they play an adventure game they do not know what to think of it..

[Dandi8]

^ +1

I actually liked most of seasons 1&2, so far love season 3. But if I didn't like a particular episode, I still enjoyed it :P

[Gman5852]

I actually liked most of seasons 1&2, so far love season 3. But if I didn't like a particular episode, I still enjoyed it :P

This.

[Hassat Hunter]

Console gamers just suck.

And now I actually have proof to give with that thesis :p.

[onlyamonkey]

They don't get it. If they would get it, adventure games would be mainstream.

[Avel]

Ratings for the full games as far as I can tell are:

Penal Zone: 4.78 (183 ratings)
Tomb of Sammun-Mak: 4.84 (113 ratings)
They Stole Max's Brain: 4.80 (105 ratings)

So I'm not sure where you got 3 people from. (I remember looking at similar stats yesterday, so I dunno if it ballooned all that much)

[SHODANFreeman]

I think part of the problem is that many console gamers expect more action... when they play an adventure game they do not know what to think of it..

This is 100% true. I've seen console gamers say Monkey Island "isn't even a game" because "you don't fight anything." That was the second largest facepalm I've ever done.

[Hassat Hunter]

Console gamers just suck.
[Obligitory text because I can't just post a quote]

[mightypiratetm]

i love adventure games and i loved the season 3 my fvorite episode so far was the second my second favorite is the third

[Yohmi]

Yeah, for many people, sadly, adventure game means Uncharted. Which is a third person shooter melted with an action game. So when they come to Sam&Max, and discovered video games with the Playstation*2, I can understand their disappointment.

[Sammy]

People need to know that adventure games and action adventure games are 2 different things.

[Dandi8]

Console gamers just suck.

And now I actually have proof to give with that thesis :p.

Actually, I do own a PS3 and an XBOX360. Granted, I'm currently in the process of selling the 360 but I do love my PS3. Not that I have many games for it but still. I am a console gamer in a way.
You may want to correct your thesis to "Console-Only Gamers" ;) Then I'd assume your theory is at least 100% correct.

I mean... When you're willing to trade the ability to mod your games for the one-in-a-lifetime chance of buying overpriced games... You get my drift.

[roberttitus]

Let me read your posts back to you...

Anybody who likes playing games on there television are just idiots. I mean forget all the classics that consoles have provided & even the fact that without consoles such as the Atari, there would be no such things as video games... REAL gamers like me know that the only way to play games is with a keyboard & that any game that has any *GASP* ACTION in it just sucks. I mean how dare anybody not like the same things I do!!! They are just big dumb buttheads!!!

[Irishmile]

I have all available Monkey Island games on PS3 and PC.... there is something to be said about sitting at my couch with a bowl of chips and playing them with my kids on the PS3 and hearing all their comments and giggles... I doubt I will buy Sam and Max on the system I will probably just keep that PC only... I am not as big of a fan of SM as I am of MI.

[Hassat Hunter]

Anybody who likes playing games on there television are just idiots. I mean forget all the classics that consoles have provided & even the fact that without consoles such as the Atari, there would be no such things as video games... REAL gamers like me know that the only way to play games is with a keyboard & that any game that has any *GASP* ACTION in it just sucks. I mean how dare anybody not like the same things I do!!! They are just big dumb buttheads!!!
He understands! :p
But... that last part is incorrect. Action is fine. Unless the action sucks.

[The Commissioner]

Let me read your posts back to you...

Anybody who likes playing games on there television are just idiots. I mean forget all the classics that consoles have provided & even the fact that without consoles such as the Atari, there would be no such things as video games... REAL gamers like me know that the only way to play games is with a keyboard & that any game that has any *GASP* ACTION in it just sucks. I mean how dare anybody not like the same things I do!!! They are just big dumb buttheads!!!

Console gaming doesn't appeal to me much. I did buy a PS2 just for the sole purpose of playing 1 game only - Metal Gear Solid 3, because it has no PC equivalent. Strangely, they saw fit to suck me in with MGS1 and 2 being available on the PC. I have yet to give in to any temptation of getting a PS3 just for MGS4. Luckily, things for PC look up with MGS:Rising being made with PC on the list of platforms.

Most games I like have far more appeal on PCs. For example I was playing Mass Effect 2 yesterday. I have the PC version although it is available on consoles too. I heard that the PC version has better graphics and is £10 cheaper by default. So why the hell would I want otherwise?

I'd like to see the day when games are made for the PC first and foremost in mind, as the graphics and gameplay will always be better. PC controls in games also seem to give the designers more options on interfaces - MMOs for example work better on PCs than consoles. You'd need to get keyboards for consoles if you wanted to chat for example, but on PCs, that's a given.

Consoles can be given our cut-down, poorer graphics, less control, less complex gameplay cast-offs. Perhaps that's why the console reviewers seem more bitter? I heard Monkey Island wasn't fun on the Wii with lag and crap textures.

[DAISHI]

I like most of season one, The first part of Ice Station Santa & Chariot of the Dogs (both from season two)... but that is as far I go. I hate most of Season 2 & so far I am not liking Season 3 either.

Why would you buy more of something you didn't really like in the first place?

[roberttitus]

Why would you buy more of something you didn't really like in the first place?

Did you not even read the first part of that? I LIKED SEASON 1 & PARTS OF SEASON 2. By your logic, just because I don't like Paper Mario or Mario & Sonic at the Olympics then I should never play a Mario game ever again.

I was hoping it would be more like Season one... Unfortunately this is not the case.

[Zonino]

It's not really fair to judge all console gamers by an opinion poll. I've grown up with consoles all my life and it was only at the start of the 21st century that I got into PC gaming. Of course now I tend to play more on my PC, but if I have a Wii and 360 and if they have any games that I want to play then I shall play them. The Wii is doing a fine job that with Monster Hunter Tri, which seems to appeal to my masochistic need to grind monsters over and over again for shiny loots, which is probably why I played World of Warcraft for 5 years.

Where was I? Oh yes, while you shouldn't judge all console gamers, there are a lot of them who do only really play the next generic FPS, but that's the same on PCs. Some games just don't appeal to some people. As for me, I'll play anything as long as it's good.

[SHODANFreeman]

I don't think anyone here has said, or even implied, that liking console games automatically makes you an idiot, but there is a large subsection of console gamers who are only interested in games where your main goal is murder and mayhem, and, upon playing an adventure game, these people are disgusted by them, because they can't understand how anyone can enjoy something that isn't a non-stop death fest.

Most of these gamers have almost no attention span and require constant stimulation, so any break in the action is perceived as a pointless waste of time. When you get puzzles any more complicated than "put the blocks on the teeter totter" (i.e. Half-life 2), they want nothing to do with the game anymore, because they don't play games to think.

The game's quality is not the reason for the rating, people not understanding the point of the game is the reason for the rating.

[roberttitus]

I beg to differ on everything you just said.

1. Just read the first page of posts. Hassatt Hunter's in particular.

2. I also would like to point out that by saying that these gamers have no attention span you are dead wrong. If that were the case, then the Zelda Series(which is about 75% problem solving) & the MGS Series (Which is about 75% cutscene) would no be anywhere near as highly regarded as they are. Yes, it is true that some gamers are more inclined toward death & destruction, but those gamers in particular tend to see those games as a release. They let you take all your frustrations out on a virtual nobody instead of a physical somebody.

3. Not understanding the point? I liked all of Season 1 & parts of Season 2, Wallace & Gromit, SBCGFAP & TOMI (That's just the adventure games that I liked from THIS company mind you) but I have yet to like a single episode of Season 3... So I think there is more to it than the gamer's ability to understand the games. They are not as IDIOTIC as you may think.

[Hassat Hunter]

Because I have been like, 100% serious in this thread... :rolleyes:

[Ray-The-Sun]

Why should it matter? I've seen people say LittleBigPlanet is the worst game ever and the creator should be punched in the face because it isn't "Man in space suit shoots other men in space suits"

[SHODANFreeman]

Zelda Series(which is about 75% problem solving)

Oh, sorry, I forgot that they are also capable of "push the only block that is movable" and "light all the torches in the room" puzzles. Zelda "puzzles" are so easy that a toddler can figure them out.

[roberttitus]

Oh, sorry, I forgot that they are also capable of "push the only block that is movable" and "light all the torches in the room" puzzles. Zelda "puzzles" are so easy that a toddler can figure them out.

WOW you got me there!!! I guess for a game to be good you have to have stupid & absurd puzzles such as, but not limited to...

Use the spray can of goat cheese with the mighty totem pole of assjackery to get a golden taco. Then take the golden taco to a lemur named Bob (because if there is anything adventure games have taught me, it is that there is something incredibly funny about the name Bob.... hahahaha..., woooo.... that one gets me every time) to get him to piss out a silver hat shaped key. Take the key to a random forest & use it on a random bee's nest to unlock the door to the fortress of orphan's tears. There you defeat the end boss by cleverly choosing the "That's not a blueberry pie... thats my wife!!!" line. My... WHAT FUN!!!!!

[SHODANFreeman]

WOW you got me there!!! I guess for a game to be good you have to have stupid & absurd puzzles such as, but not limited to...

I didn't say Zelda wasn't good, but implying that its puzzles require more than half a second's thought is laughable at best. Also, please go back under your bridge.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/evlbluone/bridge_troll.jpg

[roberttitus]

I didn't say Zelda wasn't good, but implying that its puzzles require more than half a second's thought is laughable at best. Also, please go back under your bridge.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/evlbluone/bridge_troll.jpg

Irony at its finest... especially considering that you have been trolling me since I signed up for this account. You never could handle that somebody had different views or interests than you without insulting them or there intelligence. Funny part is that you never even get so much as a warning, but if even do so much as spit one insult back, I get the mods all over my ass. So this time I'm not even going to give you the satisfaction of stepping into your little trap.... I'm a bit smarter than that anymore. I mean anybody would be after falling for the same damn thing from the same person twice before, so excuse me if I sit this little fight out... its above someone like me.... I wish I could say the same of you.

[Maikel Steneker]

I think the low ratings are also due to the low quality of the port.

I've played the first season of Sam & Max and SBCG4AP on Wii, and the ports were quite bad. The games just don't run well on the hardware. I had good hope that in the case of the PS3 the games would run fine (even though the controls are not as great as the Wii's), but it still doesn't run well. And by that I mean it's a lazy port that just wasn't optimized enough.

I've given the demo a low rating as well, even though I love the Sam & Max series. Instead, I've bought the TellTale collection on Steam, which runs great on my mediocre PC :)

[roberttitus]

@Maikel Steneker

Finally someone who gets point of me starting this thread!!! I'm tired of spending money on these terrible port jobs (Insert idiotic fanboy speech about how I should quit buying Telltale's games if I hate them so much here. News Flash... I do tend to like most of there games & want to see them succeed, but as long as they keep putting so little effort on the porting process, I'm gonna bitch). While I'm not a fan of this season, I do think I would like it better if it was ported better. The same could be said of Season One on Wii (I loved the story & characters, but it was terribly flawed) & Season Two on 360 (I didn't like its story or new characters anywhere near as much, but I do think I would like it somewhat better if it wasn't such a butchered port.... I mean its just terrible). For me personally, each Season just gets progressively worse (especially on the port job). I know I will think long & hard about shelling out the cash for Season Four (assuming of course there is a season four).

[SHODANFreeman]

Irony at its finest... especially considering that you have been trolling me since I signed up for this account. You never could handle that somebody had different views or interests than you without insulting them or there intelligence. Funny part is that you never even get so much as a warning, but if even do so much as spit one insult back, I get the mods all over my ass.

I'm "trolling you" by saying that calling Zelda a game that is "75% puzzles" is ridiculous, since every "puzzle" is the same and requires less than a second of thought to solve? It's like saying Doom is a puzzle game because you have to know which color of key you need. The only way that statement could be seen as "insulting your intelligence" is if you actually think Zelda's puzzles are hard in any way, which I can't even fathom, being that I was able to complete Zelda III when I was 6 years old.

PS: You get modded because most of your posts are profanity laden and incredibly hostile and confrontational, whereas I am just saying things that you disagree with, followed by you violently flying off the handle at me like I've done something to personally offend you by disagreeing with you. The worst I do is put things bluntly.

[roberttitus]

It appears that you have a selective memory "friend".

That being said, we will never get along. You hate me & I hate you even more, so how about I make this proposal. It is a simple one actually... You ignore my posts & I ignore yours. See how simple that is? It will most certainly cut down on the needless fighting & negatively both in this forum & our lives... & quite honestly, I'm tired of wasting both my time & hatred on you. I truly feel this is the only way things can ever change.

[SHODANFreeman]

a selective memory.

Please scroll up in this thread to the post where you went on some insane rant about ridiculous nonsense that you made up based on an assumption you made about what my post was saying, and tell me that you weren't trolling when posting that.

[roberttitus]

@SHODANFreeman

You just don't get it do you? This is exactly what I'm talking about by you trolling. You just can't leave well enough alone. You keep trying to pull me back in every I try to get away. Is there any wonder I snap? I mean damn man... do you have nothing better to do than argue on this forum? I mean I made you an offer that should prove to be mutually beneficial... why can't you just accept it & move on with you life instead of trying to extend the life of this useless arguement?

FYI. That wasn't trolling... all I was saying is that there is so much negativity on here towards other types of games. I mean just because a game doesn't have puzzles that are insanely difficult & convoluted, then it is automatically a game that is for people with NO attention span or kids...

[SHODANFreeman]

You just don't get it do you? This is exactly what I'm talking about by you trolling. You just can't leave well enough alone. You keep trying to pull me back in every I try to get away. Is there any wonder I snap? I mean damn man... do you have nothing better to do than argue on this forum? I mean I made you an offer that should prove to be mutually beneficial... why can't you just accept it & move on with you life instead of trying to extend the life of this useless arguement?

I just think you need to take some anger management classes. You escalate things to ridiculous levels, and then act like it wasn't your fault 2 posts later. It's annoying.

PS: I have never once been angry while posting on this forum. Annoyed, at worst. It's text on a computer screen, it's not worth getting enraged over.

[roberttitus]

I just think you need to take some anger management classes. You escalate things to ridiculous levels, and then act like it wasn't your fault 2 posts later. It's annoying.

PS: I have never once been angry while posting on this forum. Annoyed, at worst. It's text on a computer screen, it's not worth getting enraged over.

Just drop it for shit sake. Are you incapable of the abilty to just walk away or is it that you just like trying to get a rise out of people? Either way... I'm done. You can continue this arguement by yourself. As far as I'm concerned... from now on dealing with you is just going to be a case of mind over matter.... I don't mind because you sure as hell don't matter.

Now can we PLEASE get this back on topic.

[SHODANFreeman]

Now can we PLEASE get this back on topic.

Sure, Zelda isn't a puzzle game.

[roberttitus]

I see what you are trying to do here & it isn't going to work. After this post I guarantee you that you will no longer exist as far I'm concerned... but see it isn't often I get a chance to say this to you... in fact it will be the first time... but you are in fact absolutely correct... it isn't a puzzle game... but it is an action adventure game with puzzle solving elements. A puzzle game would be something along the lines of Tetris or Hexic... which Zelda is absolutely nothing like.

[SHODANFreeman]

it isn't a puzzle game... but it is an action adventure game with puzzle solving elements. A puzzle game would be something along the lines of Tetris or Hexic... which Zelda is absolutely nothing like.

But you were comparing it to adventure games as though the fact that Zelda is a success means that an adventure game could be as much of a success if it were "higher quality", which I think is pretty inaccurate, to say the least, because they are entirely different genres in every way.

It's basically just like saying that Halo was partially a racing game because it had a couple sections of the game where you used a vehicle, and that racing games aren't as popular as Halo because they're lower quality. It's not a valid argument.

[roberttitus]

2. I also would like to point out that by saying that these gamers have no attention span you are dead wrong. If that were the case, then the Zelda Series(which is about 75% problem solving) & the MGS Series (Which is about 75% cutscene) would no be anywhere near as highly regarded as they are. Yes, it is true that some gamers are more inclined toward death & destruction, but those gamers in particular tend to see those games as a release. They let you take all your frustrations out on a virtual nobody instead of a physical somebody.

I said no such thing...

Damn... you got me again kiddo. Keep it up though & I'm reporting you for harassment. I have asked you to leave me alone & end this BS, but you want to keep egging me on & try to get me to argue with you by saying things you THINK will annoy/anger me. Just let it go already.

[SHODANFreeman]

Your counterpoint is the exact thing that I just told you is wrong? What?

Your post is in response to my saying that they do not have the attention span to play an adventure game, and your main point to try to disprove that is that Zelda is 75% "problem solving" (which is a huge overestimate, but anyway), so your post very clearly implies that having the attention span to play Zelda = the attention span to play an adventure game, which it absolutely does not.

[roberttitus]

This thread is about the PS3 version of Sam & Max Season 3's rating, Not about the attention span of console gamers or the Legend of Zelda series. Insulting other gamers by saying they are not capable of comprehending said games is neither accurate or fair. Please get back on the topic of this thread.

[SHODANFreeman]

This thread is about the PS3 version of Sam & Max Season 3's rating, Not about the attention span of console gamers or the Legend of Zelda series. Insulting other gamers by saying they are not capable of comprehending said games is neither accurate or fair. Please get back on the topic of this thread.

I didn't insult anyone, I said their attention span is too short and they desire constant stimulation, and that is the reason they rate the demo poorly on PSN. That was my entire point in the second post I made in the thread. I can tell you from experience that many console only gamers actually do think adventure games are not only boring, but pointless.

It is pretty well known information that adventure games are one of the less popular genres. You don't see Telltale rolling out the red carpet with multimillion dollar marketing campaigns for their games. Why? Adventure games are not that popular. Yes, they are doing well for themselves, but the notion that an adventure game could ever be as popular as something like Zelda or Metal Gear Solid is setting the bar way too high. I think even comparing the games in any way is pretty ridiculous, since Zelda is one of the flagship series of one of the largest (possibly the largest?) game companies in the world, and Metal Gear is the flagship franchise of Konami. I wouldn't be surprised if the budget for either MGS4 or Zelda Skyward Sword was larger than the budget for every single game Telltale has made combined. This is all neither here nor there, but realize that adventure games are infinitely less marketable than anything you've mentioned as a counterpoint.

[Cubkyle]

I think the low ratings are also due to the low quality of the port.

I've played the first season of Sam & Max and SBCG4AP on Wii, and the ports were quite bad. The games just don't run well on the hardware. I had good hope that in the case of the PS3 the games would run fine (even though the controls are not as great as the Wii's), but it still doesn't run well. And by that I mean it's a lazy port that just wasn't optimized enough.

I've given the demo a low rating as well, even though I love the Sam & Max series. Instead, I've bought the TellTale collection on Steam, which runs great on my mediocre PC :)

I assume that to be the reason as well.
I got the first episode of Monkey Island when they gave it away a while back, and enjoyed it so much that I got the second episode on WiiWare when it was released there.
When I played the game, I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. The audio was all terrible quality, and I couldn't see small things, and the text was hard to read. I wandered about forever near the end of the game because I couldn't see a bucket, which meant being unable to complete a puzzle. (I did eventually find it by randomly sweeping the pointer over everything everywhere, but this wouldn't have been a problem if I could see it in the first place!)
After finishing the game, I had a massive headache from squinting, and I hardly have poor vision. :P

If I hadn't played the first game on the PC or all of the Sam & Max games, I'd have thought Telltale was just some cruddy developer, so I'd have never gotten a game from them again. Instead I just figured they were cruddy game porters and got the third episode on PC, which I enjoyed plenty.

I had looked forward to playing it on the Wii too, as I figured there couldn't be much better than laying back on the couch, lazily flicking the Wiimote around to play.

[roberttitus]

I have nothing against the company itself, but as Maikel Steneker & Cubkyle have stated the port jobs are terrible. The whole point of this thread is to be a wake up call to Telltale. Sadly, no matter how much fans complain, they do nothing to try to fix these issues. They keep releasing terrible port after terrible port and (more often than not) charging a price equal to or greater than the GOOD version of the game. How is that fair to console gamers? I think it is safe to assume that a good part of the reason for the rating is the quality of the game. By just dismissing Console gamers as people with no attention span you are dodging the fact that the game is flawed by comparison... & by dodging that fact, you are opening the door for more terrible ports.

[SHODANFreeman]

I have season three on PS3 and it is a GREAT port. Easily the best port job they've ever done. (PS: I own every port they've ever done)

[BoneFreak]

ARGUE ARGUE ARGUE ARGUE

So, let's get back to the ratings. I honestly think that a fine majority of console gamers prefer action games, but that doesn't necessarily mean it sucks. Sam and Max started out as a point and click genre, and it isn't up for discussion whether or not point and click originated on the PC, because it definitely has. (Try clicking with a D-Pad and a B button. It's not that great.) So naturally, people who aren't PC gamers probably haven't played a point and click game before, so this might be their first time trying it out.

Speaking of which, the ports I guess aren't as great as the PC version simply because PC games are easier to make. In case you haven't heard, all modern games are made with computers, so rather then just taking the game and having it be the same, they go through some obstacles when porting to consoles. Also, Telltale just started out with PS3 in April. Cut them some slack.

[SHODANFreeman]

Also, the idea that Telltale makes "bad ports" on purpose is pretty funny. They know full well that any port they release of any game can easily make the entire company look bad if it's the first experience someone has with them, you don't think they do their best to get the ports done as well as they possibly can? It's not like they can just flip some magical switch and have every game they port work 100% as well as the PC version. Even games with huge budgets have had bad ports done before. You'll be hard pressed to find a game that is on more than one platform where each platform doesn't have its own unique set of flaws.

[Hassat Hunter]

The Wii version in particular is plagued with poor quality due to the restrictions Nintendo has on it's online service. I believe the download limit is, what, 40MB? That's why the VO and Music is so compressed (butchered). Even the PC version got the fallout from that, with lower quality music, compared to the supernice tracks in Sam&Max.

[SHODANFreeman]

The Wii version in particular is plagued with poor quality due to the restrictions Nintendo has on it's online service. I believe the download limit is, what, 40MB? That's why the VO and Music is so compressed (butchered). Even the PC version got the fallout from that, with lower quality music, compared to the supernice tracks in Sam&Max.

They also cut Club 41 from episode one because of the WiiWare limits. Club 41 is named after the crappy 40mb limit, so I don't think they were happy about that either. I'm sure it had something to do with their contract with LEC requiring a WiiWare release or something, I'm sure they'd have much preferred a disc release for Wii, like S&M season one and two got, as Strong Bad is really the only game they've done with simple enough graphics to work well on WiiWare.

[Zonino]

The Wii only has a 40Mb download limit? What the smeg?

That's actually inexcusably bad. It's a pity too because you could get some good indie games.

I still can't believe that though.

Also Zelda isn't a puzzle game it's an Action adventure. Adventure does mean puzzles, but not nearly as much as actual puzzle games. Although I'm sure many people would consider Ocarina of Time's Water Temple to be one gigantic puzzle.

[roberttitus]

Although I'm sure many people would consider Ocarina of Time's Water Temple to be one gigantic puzzle.

Damn skippy hippie

[der_ketzer]

It currently has a 2.73/5 from 442 people WHO HAVE PLAYED THE DEMO (IE None of that 360 BS where you can just click on some random game & rate it).

Ouch!!! That one has got to hurt!!! :D

not really. I really didn't like the demo either.

[bobhobbit]

The Wii only has a 40Mb download limit? What the smeg?

That's actually inexcusably bad. It's a pity too because you could get some good indie games.

I still can't believe that though.



Yep, have a look at the Monkey Island forums here to see lots of posts about the WiiWare limit. I think it's so low because the Wii only has 512 MB of internal storage--40 MB of that is a pretty good size chunk. And the first episodes of TOMI came out on Wii before they started allowing games to play off of the SD card I think!

Fortunately, The Devil's Playhouse isn't being brought out on Wiiware. Given the detail of the graphics, I sort of doubt it's ever going to find its way to the Wii like the other seasons have, but I guess it could happen. They did release it on iPad, after all. But I'm guessing the iPad has a bit more graphical juice than the Wii does, actually. (maybe Yare can back me up on this?) :D

[roberttitus]

Yep, have a look at the Monkey Island forums here to see lots of posts about the WiiWare limit. I think it's so low because the Wii only has 512 MB of internal storage--40 MB of that is a pretty good size chunk. And the first episodes of TOMI came out on Wii before they started allowing games to play off of the SD card I think!

Fortunately, The Devil's Playhouse isn't being brought out on Wiiware. Given the detail of the graphics, I sort of doubt it's ever going to find its way to the Wii like the other seasons have, but I guess it could happen. They did release it on iPad, after all. But I'm guessing the iPad has a bit more graphical juice than the Wii does, actually. (maybe Yare can back me up on this?) :D

Everything has more graphical juice than the wii.... just look at some screenshots for games coming out for the 3DS.... That little jobber is a bonafide BEAST.

[tabstis]

This thread has just been created as some kind of insult to those who have playstations - you've done this before. The ratings are lower for the demo there and they would be on any system - it's just not that good a demo to be honest. The ratings for the proper episodes are higher and more sensible.

If you two want to argue about yourselves, do it elsewhere.

[roberttitus]

Um... what?

You do realise that

A. I would have to have a PS3 that I actively use to know the score it received.
B. That I have stated MULTIPLE TIMES the purpose of this thread
C. That I am using my PS3's web browser to type this message (the amount of characters in my posts should be proof enough of that).

Believe me when I say that you are COMPLETELY in the wrong with that presumption.


Futhermore... I just noticed that you joined in May of this year. Funny thing that you seem to know a helluva lot about me & my post history considering that I made all of four posts before I started this thread in the entire two months you have been here. Same could be said of Paleman (or whatever the hell he's going by these days). We may hate each other newbie, but that is our business & the last thing we need is some blue chipper coming in & acting like they know us & our history. We settled it so just let it be squashed.

[tabstis]

If you have a PS3 and use it so much, why did you suggest in the SINGLE post I've seen you post before that Telltale were selling no copies of the season on PS3 and that all the users have rated it so lowly? There's no need to be so defensive :confused:

[roberttitus]

If you have a PS3 and use it so much, why did you suggest in the SINGLE post I've seen you post before that Telltale were selling no copies of the season on PS3 and that all the users have rated it so lowly? There's no need to be so defensive :confused:

Can somebody please translate this? No? Well I guess that I'll have to go on instinct here....

Having a PS3 that I use regularly does not automatically mean that I like everything that comes out for it. I feel that this Season is an inferior port... which can be said of MOST of the company's ports quite honestly. I thought Wallace & gromit was good on the 360, but the Sam & Max Season 1 demo & Season 2 were average at best. I haven't played any wii ports other than Season One which was below average at best (& that is unforgivable seeing as it is disc based), but I have heard that the rest are below average as well (which can be forgiven after seeing the size limitations). I should also note that I have made threads about...

[roberttitus]

these ports in the past as well. Why? BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THEM STEP UP WHEN IT COMES TO PORTING THEIR GAMES. I mean you can say that they are a small company who can't afford to port the games property all you want, but that is just rubbish. As long as people continue to give them an excuse, they will continue to use it. Don't get me wrong... I have nothing against this company, there games or even the systems they are released on... I have a problem with the consistently terrible ports that console gamers are (more often than not) charged the same price as (if not more than) PC gamers are charged for the GOOD version of the games. Bottom line... If the port isn't every bit as good as the PC version, DON'T RELEASE IT UNTIL IT IS.

As for the sales comment.. It is VERY RARE for the PS Store to put a game on sale so close after its release. Add in Telltale's track record when it comes to sales on consoles (Which I firmly believe is partially because the ports are so bad) & its easy to come to that conclusion

[SHODANFreeman]

Bottom line... If the port isn't every bit as good as the PC version... DON'T RELEASE IT UNTIL IT IS.

The only ports they've released that were even of questionable quality were the TMI ports on WiiWare, and given the size limitations, I think they did a great job with what they had to work with. The ports will never be on par with the PC version, so if they followed your recommendation, they would never release any ports of anything.

[roberttitus]

I'd like to thank you for that opening the door for this...

Are you saying that Sam & Max is so powerful that the 360 & PS3 can't run it properly? I highly doubt that's true seeing as games such as Oblivion exist... a game that might I add came very early in the 360's life... a game that completely dwarfs Sam & Max in both gameplay content & size... & most importantly, a game that was developed by a company who (much like Telltale) had very little console success.

So why is it that Bethesda is a household name now whereas Telltale isn't even a blip on the map? Well compare how dedicated to quality each company was when deciding to port there games. Like Oblivion or not, it is nearly PC perfect.

*insert whining about how they aren't even in the same genre after COMPLETELY missing the point here*

[SHODANFreeman]

I'd like to thank yoi for that opening the door for this...

Are you saying that Sam & Max is so powerful that the 360 & PS3 can't run it properly? I highly doubt that's true seeing as games such as Oblivion exist... a game that might I add came very early in the 360's life... a game that completely dwarfs Sam & Max in both gameplay content & size... & most importantly, a game that was developed by a company who (much like Telltale) had very little console success.

So why is it that Bethesda is a household name now whereas Telltale isn't even a blip on the map? Well compare how dedicated to quality each company was when deciding to port there games. Like Oblivion or not, it is nearly PC perfect.

Oh right, I forgot that Telltale made AAA titles with multi-million dollar budgets, thanks for pointing that out. That argument is completely meaningless because if Telltale had the same budget and resources that a company like Bethesda has, their games would be ported just as well.

Their games don't run flawlessly, oh no. They never run so poorly that the game is unplayable (or even unpleasant) because of it, and at worst, there are just some loading issues.

Telltale don't have the budget to support spending twice the dev time on their ports in order to get absolutely flawless perfectly optimized ports. So would you rather have ports that look and work 75-90% as well as their PC counterpart, or none at all?

PS: Bethesda were a household name long before Oblivion.

[Will]

Wow, can you guys have a civil conversation just once please? Seriously getting old.