Nintendo 3DS

[Dragonite87]

Hi Guys

What do you think about the 3DS. Is it awesome or absolute rubbish.

Mod Edit

As per suggestion, here's a list of everyone's Friend Codes for the 3DS culled from 70-odd pages of posts.

flesk: 3668-7300-2634
Irishmile: 4167-4638-8175
Harold B: 5284-1418-3404
JedExodus: 1289-8200-5637
Jen Kollie: 3652-1134-0177
Secret Fawful: 5198-2523-2237
The Highway: 3695-0084-8559

If you don't want your code here, or it's changed, let me know and I'll update this. - Darth Marsden

[Zonino]

Hold on, just let me get my time machine and I'll get back to you.

Seriously it's too soon to make any justified comment. It LOOKS interesting, but until I actually get to play it I must reserve all judgement.

I'll still get it though, because it's Nintendo, and it's a handheld, and they've never went wrong with a handheld. Plus I need my Pokémon fix.

[Friar]

I think it looks pretty decent. The amount of classic remakes it's getting means it can't be that bad! Plus, if the 3d effect sucks, or is painful long term, it can always be turned off. I just hope it doesn't cost too much Anything over £200 ($305)for the standalone console would be far too expensive. It may be ultra-snazzy, but it's a handheld, that will likely get bumped and scratched and will likely need to be replaced in 3-4 years.

[Gman5852]

So far it looks great. 3D photos will rock as soon as the 4th of july hits again i mean 3d fireworks to stare at when it isnt the 4th of july i mean cool.

[Remolay]

I am unable to judge yet. When it was initially announced I was certain that it was a horrible idea. After the E3 presentation I want one. That is not to say it is any good.

[roberttitus]

As I stated in another thread, the thing is a bonafide beast. Graphically it is stronger than the wii & is capable of nearly match SOME PS3/360 games (that is if the screenshots don't lie)... but in the end it will come down to the games being made for it (which if, you look at the list, are for the most part incredibly strong titles. As long as it stays in the $150-$250 range I am a guaranteed buyer.

[bubbledncr]

I personally don't care much about the 3d effect - its the remake of Ocarina of Time that sold it for me.

[Rather Dashing]

As I stated in another thread, the thing is a bonafide beast. Graphically it is stronger than the wii
Yeah, but can it produce better graphics than my toaster?

& is capable of nearly match SOME PS3/360 games
...sure it can. Oh! I get it! You're talking about 80s games on the PSN store and Xbox Live Aracade!

[Gman5852]

Yeah, but can it produce better graphics than my toaster?

Maybe is your toaster those new HD toasters I keep hearing about.

[Rather Dashing]

Maybe is your toaster those new HD toasters I keep hearing about.
I got it at a garage sale for $5. It makes toast. Have you ever seen the Wii make toast?

[Katsuro]

I got it at a garage sale for $5. It makes toast. Have you ever seen the Wii make toast?

But can your toaster brush my teeth? Didn't think so.

[Rather Dashing]

But can your toaster brush my teeth? Didn't think so.
Wait, I thought we were comparing consoles based on what kind of food you can prepare with them. Isn't that why they say the PS3 is the best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZO9DPPwgyw#t=7s)?

[BoneFreak]

Yeah, but can it produce better graphics than my toaster?


Is this (http://www.stupidfingers.com/projects/nintoaster/) your toaster?

[Ray-The-Sun]

Oh the 3d is just a stupid gimmick a-

Starfox: Lylat Wars remake? BEST CONSEOL EVARR

[Megaloman]

It's definitely interesting, although I think I'll wait until some more interesting titles are announced. Remakes of N64 games aren't that exciting so I'll stick with my old, pink DS for a while longer.

[SHODANFreeman]

I personally don't care much about the 3d effect - its the remake of Ocarina of Time that sold it for me.

I personally don't care much about the 3d effect, or a remake of one of the worst Zelda games ever made either.

[Dragonite87]

I personally don't care much about the 3d effect - its the remake of Ocarina of Time that sold it for me.

Ocarina of Time 3D is going to be awesome. I loved the original and I'm going to love the remake even more.

[benzelz]

The 3D effect looks cool, but how exactly will it work. I mean, I could play a game at any angle, so how would it know what angle I am playing the game at. It might be annoying playing games in 1 angle.

[Elvenmonk]

3D effect would be cool if it's as great as Nintendo some some reviewers say it is. However just a new DS that's not a slight upgrade makes it better.

[Secret Fawful]

...sure it can. Oh! I get it! You're talking about 80s games on the PSN store and Xbox Live Aracade!

Is that a joke? :p

http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_233900.jpg

This is an in-game screenshot of the MGS game on 3DS. I compared it to a screenshot of a MGS game on PSP and this is LEAGUES ahead in graphics.

[jeeno0142]

http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_233900.jpg

This is an in-game screenshot of the MGS game on 3DS.

Wow. I wasn't expecting it to look like that. That's quite advanced looking.

[guybrush32]

The 3D effect looks cool, but how exactly will it work. I mean, I could play a game at any angle, so how would it know what angle I am playing the game at. It might be annoying playing games in 1 angle.

it's being fitted with a gryoscope and motion sensors so I'd have thought it'd be pretty possible to alter the camera accordingly. Console looks groovy though! want to remain sceptical of it but then I was of the Wii and look how that turned out.

Screen shots look immense as well for a hand held, high hopes!

...and a 3D remake of ocarina is gonna be sweeeeeeeet!

[Hayley the Hedgie]

3D gameplay without the 3D glasses, is it? That's... something else alright. How they've managed that's unreal.

[corruptbiggins]

I'm reserving judgement on the 3D aspect until I can actually see it working in person. The actual device and the rest of the hardware does impress me and I can see me finally replacing my DS Lite.

[SHODANFreeman]

Wow. I wasn't expecting it to look like that. That's quite advanced looking.

It looks barely better than PSP. Sure, it's leagues ahead of what DS was, but PSP was launched over 5 years ago with graphics rivaling that.

http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_233900.jpg
vs
http://pspmedia.gamespy.com/psp/image/article/100/1004223/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-20090716025505623.jpg
and here's one that more closely resembles the 3DS shot:
http://www.psphacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-screenshots.jpg

[Elvenmonk]

Also for the MGS 3DS one they had a team of like 6 people do for a short while. For the PSP one they had a full team and full development cycle to work with it.
http://www.joystiq.com/screenshots/resident-evil-3ds/3097335/#/0

Look at the new RE game. Capcom has said those're all in game screens. I'm trying to find the trailer for it.

Here it is: http://www.joystiq.com/video/ebc2dc1f

[SHODANFreeman]

Also for the MGS 3DS one they had a team of like 6 people do for a short while. For the PSP one they had a full team and full development cycle to work with it.
http://www.joystiq.com/screenshots/resident-evil-3ds/3097335/#/0

Look at the new RE game. Capcom has said those're all in game screens. I'm trying to find the trailer for it.

Here it is: http://www.joystiq.com/video/ebc2dc1f

Sorry, but there is no way that is in game. 3DS is more powerful than PSP, but only to the extent that Wii is more powerful than PS2.

[roberttitus]

Look at the new RE game. Capcom has said those're all in game screens. I'm trying to find the trailer for it.

Here it is: http://www.joystiq.com/video/ebc2dc1f

Thanks for posting that... I saw it a few days ago & was planning on posting it here but forgot where I found it.

Sorry, but there is no way that is in game. 3DS is more powerful than PSP, but only to the extent that Wii is more powerful than PS2.

So you are calling Capcom liars now? The proof is in the footage...

I would also like to direct you attention towards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-xxUyJvQQ

[Katsuro]

Thanks for posting that... I saw it a few days ago & was planning on posting it here but forgot where I found it.



So you are calling Capcom liars now? The proof is in the footage...

I would also like to direct you attention towards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-xxUyJvQQ

The Demo isn't really on the 3DS. Yes it might be the technology behind the 3DS, but as long as I don't see it on the screen itself I'll stay neutral about it.
Besides, the RE screenshots could be pre-rendered cutscenes.

[SHODANFreeman]

The video of Kid Icarus looks about the same as what the Wii can handle graphically, so no, there is no way that either of those videos could possibly be real-time in-game graphics on 3DS.

[Secret Fawful]

It looks barely better than PSP. Sure, it's leagues ahead of what DS was, but PSP was launched over 5 years ago with graphics rivaling that.


vs
http://pspmedia.gamespy.com/psp/image/article/100/1004223/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-20090716025505623.jpg
and here's one that more closely resembles the 3DS shot:
http://www.psphacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-screenshots.jpg

I beg to differ. That looks like a blocky PS2 game, 3DS looks easily like something on the 360.


Here. Here's a better comparison picture.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll136/joe_inky/1276702604949.jpg

[roberttitus]

The video of Kid Icarus looks about the same as what the Wii can handle graphically, so no, there is no way that either of those videos could possibly be real-time in-game graphics on 3DS.

You are judging the system's graphical power by one game? Well by that logic, I guess the 360 must be weaker than the PS2 because Two Worlds looks like crap...
Just because Kid Icarus' graphics look like those of a Wii game (which is impressive in its own right) doesn't mean that those are the limit & no game can ever look better. Plus considering not all games would require 3D, there are games that could just disable it altogether to free up processing power for even better looking games.

I would like to also draw your attention to the following 2 articles

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/06/07/developer-nintendo-3ds-has-processing-power-of-xbox-360-and-ps3-anonymous-developers-claim-that-the-nintendo-3ds-has-computer-power-to-rival-consoles/

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180250

[SHODANFreeman]

You are judging the system's graphical power by one game? Well by that logic, I guess the 360 must be weaker than the PS2 because Two Worlds looks like crap...
Just because Kid Icarus' graphics look like those of a Wii game (which is impressive in its own right) doesn't mean that those are the limit & no game can ever look better. Plus considering not all games would require 3D, there are games that could just disable it altogether to free up processing power for even better looking games.

I would like to also draw your attention to the following 2 articles

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/06/07/developer-nintendo-3ds-has-processing-power-of-xbox-360-and-ps3-anonymous-developers-claim-that-the-nintendo-3ds-has-computer-power-to-rival-consoles/

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180250

It's not fair to judge a console's capabilities by a first party game made by the company designing the console?

Also, if you read the rest of that first article, they go in detail about why those claims are illogical.

Oh, and the second article points out that the 3D tech is going to take up a significant chunk of processing power. I think it's pretty bad that they're scaling the power back simply to allow some games to use an ugly 3D gimmick.

[Elvenmonk]

Sorry, but there is no way that is in game. 3DS is more powerful than PSP, but only to the extent that Wii is more powerful than PS2.

I'm going by what Capcom themselves have said.

Also, this is Nintendo. They don't care about graphics in their games. Many of their first party games are often beaten graphically, especially launch titles.

[roberttitus]

It's not fair to judge a console's capabilities by a first party game made by the company designing the console?

Also, if you read the rest of that first article, they go in detail about why those claims are illogical.

Oh, and the second article points out that the 3D tech is going to take up a significant chunk of processing power. I think it's pretty bad that they're scaling the power back simply to allow some games to use an ugly 3D gimmick.

I did read the rest of the article.... but who are you going to believe... a person who is actually DEVELOPING A GAME ON THE CONSOLE or some journalist trying to create controversy?

First Party doesn't mean anything... I don't even know why you think it would. There are 3rd Party games that are better looking than 1st Party Sony & Microsoft games, so how is Nintendo any different?

Ugly effect? I would like to point out that you have never actually used a 3DS, so how would you know it is an ugly effect. Most people at E3 who...

[roberttitus]

used one claimed that the 3D effect was awesome & added to the games. Not to mention that it won't hurt gameplay one bit... so in the end what does it really matter (well unless you are such a graphics whore that you have to have graphics matching or surpassing the best looking 360/PS3 titles before you even touch a game... & for the record, I'm not saying you are)?

[Elvenmonk]

Character limit get you there?

[SHODANFreeman]

Also, this is Nintendo. They don't care about graphics in their games. Many of their first party games are often beaten graphically, especially launch titles.
First Party doesn't mean anything... I don't even know why you think it would. There are 3rd Party games that are better looking than 1st Party Sony & Microsoft games, so how is Nintendo any different?

Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 1, 2, and 3 are easily the best looking titles on Gamecube and Wii, all first party titles.

I did read the rest of the article.... but who are you going to believe... a person who is actually DEVELOPING A GAME ON THE CONSOLE or some journalist trying to create controversy?

Maybe if this supposed developer hadn't chosen to remain anonymous and off the record I'd be more inclined to believe them?

Ugly effect? I would like to point out that you have never actually used a 3DS, so how would you know it is an ugly effect. Most people at E3 who...

I've never seen anything that claimed to be "3D" that didn't just look ugly.

[roberttitus]

Character limit get you there?

Yep... Stupid PS3 Browser

[MusicallyInspired]

I personally don't care much about the 3d effect - its the remake of Ocarina of Time that sold it for me.

I like the 3D and am anxious to see it, but yes. Ocarina is a bigger seller for me.

Is this (http://www.stupidfingers.com/projects/nintoaster/) your toaster?

What about this one (http://www.linuxscrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/riz-toaster.jpg)?

[roberttitus]

Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 1, 2, and 3 are easily the best looking titles on Gamecube and Wii, all first party titles.



Maybe if this supposed developer hadn't chosen to remain anonymous and off the record I'd be more inclined to believe them?



I've never seen anything that claimed to be "3D" that didn't just look ugly.

You know what all of those titles have in common? NONE of them were launch titles.
How is that different from Kid Icarus? Kid Icarus IS A LAUNCH TITLE.

So even if you apply that logic, then Kid Icarus is STILL in no way a representation of the system's power.

Kojima himself has said the 3DS is a powerhouse capable of PS3 quality models
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180278

As for you thinking 3D is ugly... well that is your personal taste & arguing over taste would be a stupid & pointless thing to argue over.

[roberttitus]

Hideo Kojima's Exact Words

"The thing is that it's hard to get a lot of feedback from players, because only so many of them could physically play the title at the event" he said. "I was hoping to shape our future direction for the game based on more of their opinions. Also, the maps and character models were all remade with a higher polygon count than before. The models are about the same quality as what we made for the PlayStation 3, but you really can't tell within the game. We could've made it look better if we had a little more time."

[SHODANFreeman]

Err... Twilight Princess was a launch title, and MP1 and 3 were both within the first year of their console's launch.

[roberttitus]

Err... Twilight Princess was a launch title, and MP1 and 3 were both within the first year of their console's launch.

I didn't see the Wii part... nevertheless... it had been in development for the Gamecube FOR YEARS prior to that. All they did for the wii was flip it & add motion controls, graphically they are the same. Not to mention that there are pleny of better looking wii games than Twilight Princess anyways.

[SHODANFreeman]

I didn't see the Wii part... nevertheless... it had been in development for the Gamecube FOR YEARS prior to that. All they did for the wii was flip it & add motion controls, graphically they are the same. Not to mention that there are pleny of better looking wii games than Twilight Princess anyways.

Actually, they spent an entire year, if not more, fine tuning the graphics for the Wii, and they are noticeably better in many ways, most notably, the lighting.

[roberttitus]

While I don't totally agree with this list, it does in fact show that Nintendo's first part games are not the best looking.

http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-gaming/62913-best-looking-games-wii-updated.html

I should also note that the lost is from (might as well say) August of last year

[SHODANFreeman]

While I don't totally agree with this list, it does in fact show that Nintendo's first part games are not the best looking.

http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-gaming/62913-best-looking-games-wii-updated.html

I should also note that the lost is from (might as well say) August of last year

I highly disagree with most of that list. A lot of those titles DO look great, but I don't think they hold a candle to MP3's visuals.

[Elvenmonk]

Actually, they spent an entire year, if not more, fine tuning the graphics for the Wii, and they are noticeably better in many ways, most notably, the lighting.

This is true.

[Now to dispute the list of games someone posted.]

However, Darkside chronicles is way beyond MP3 in graphics (especially the Triology) but this is because it's an on rails shooter.
The Conduit is at the start of the game then it gets obvious the developers started to get lazy as around the middle everything looks like cardboard.

Silent Hill Shatter Memories was, but then again it was mostly snow and the game lagged due to it's visuals.

HotD:OVERKILL had the same problem as Conduit but not as bad. Plus the game would lose track of the rail, which was fun[ny].

Monster Hunter 3 is the best looking game on the Wii.
RE4 and UC are not better then MP3. UC might be near or on par.

RE: Archives I never played [forgot to buy] so I can't speak for those.

The Grinder it's not even out but those're suppose to be early alpha and beta shots of the game.
CoD4 I never played on Wii so I can't speak for it.
W@W seemed to be a little under par of MP3 but that's because more was going on in W@W then MP3.

Curse Mountain I've been meaning to buy but haven't.(It's $7 even if it's bad [looks good] still a nice deal)

PoP: Forgotten sands never played, I dislike the series.

Gladiator AD still hasn't come out they never announced which dev cycle those screens were from.

Ju-Oh I never played.

Skate It only looked good because you were the ONLY person in the entire game[except when you met a pro who showed you a move to do after that move they were gone.] and it still didn't look that good.

Spyborg never even heard of.

Cabela's Big Game Hunter neverplayed.
Need for Speed Pro Street never played.

Endless Ocean 2 is a Nintendo game that looks amazing but I never picked up.

Past that the games were Nintendo's, never played, or launch titles and looked like poop.

[Friar]

I did read the rest of the article.... but who are you going to believe... a person who is actually DEVELOPING A GAME ON THE CONSOLE or some journalist trying to create controversy?

First Party doesn't mean anything... I don't even know why you think it would. There are 3rd Party games that are better looking than 1st Party Sony & Microsoft games, so how is Nintendo any different?

Ugly effect? I would like to point out that you have never actually used a 3DS, so how would you know it is an ugly effect. Most people at E3 who...

Well, the developer wants their game to sell. To do that, many 3DS's need to be sold, so the dev is probably biased in that respect.

As for my view, i'm staying neutral. I remember when some people were claiming the wii to be capable of 360 level graphics (conduit), and that turned out to be really bland looking, and full of jaggies.

[jeeno0142]

I didn't see 'A Boy and his Blob' on that list. That makes me sad. :(. I thought it was (and still is) a seriously beautiful game.

[roberttitus]

Well, the developer wants their game to sell. To do that, many 3DS's need to be sold, so the dev is probably biased in that respect.

Do you realize how much money Nintendo makes off of each handheld they release ("Updated" rereleases & all)? Let's just say enough to virtually guarantee that the 3DS is going to be a MASSIVE commercial success.

Near 360 quality graphics or not people will buy the system... they always have in the past & they always will as long as Nintendo is around. Developers know this, so I HIGHLY doubt that the developer in question was making false claims (especially after seeing screenshots of some of the games) for the sake of console sells.

Hell... Look at Hideo Kojima's comments. He chose not to remain anonymous as the other person did... instead he just came right out & basically said "Hey.... This thing is a beast". I highly doubt that a developer as well known & respected as Hideo Kojima would give his stamp of approval to a piece of crap. So even if it isn't a graphical powerhouse in the end, it is a quality machine with quality games coming out for it... being on the fence because you don't know how good the graphics are going to be (as many of you have claimed to be) just seems lame. I mean missing a whole slew of awesome blockbuster games (MGS 3D, Resident Evil: Revelations, OoT, Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Paper Mario & Starfox just to name a few) just because they don't have PS3/360 quality graphics seems like a sad & stupid thing to do to me... but to each there own I suppose.

[Katsuro]

So even if it isn't a graphical powerhouse in the end, it is a quality machine with quality games coming out for it... being on the fence because you don't know how good the graphics are going to be (as many of you have claimed to be) just seems lame. I mean missing a whole slew of awesome blockbuster games [...] just because they don't have PS3/360 quality graphics seems like a sad & stupid thing to do to me... but to each there own I suppose.

Basically you claimed that it nearly matches the PS3/XBOX360. Arguments against it and arguments to be a bit sceptic where brought up.

I'm a nintendo fanboy as much as the next one, but degrading another opinion of someone as sad and stupid because it doesn't match yours is just wrong. Of course people should be on the fence about the graphics quality of the new thing.

The whole premise of the 3DS is its graphics and the 3D thing. If there is no graphics update, or if the 3D gimmick looks aweful, then why the heck even releasing a new one so short after re-releasing the DS.
Also Hideo Kojima, or at least the MGS series is one of the most known franchises ever. The game will not sell well because it is on the 3DS, the 3DS will sell well because the game will be on it (same goes for RE).

Edit:
And of course everybody that develops for a system sais its the best thing since sliced bread.
I've never heard anything else in promotional interviews like that. Nothing wrong with that, but kkeep in mind that this interview is not ment to deliver information, its ment to get people hyped.

[roberttitus]

Great... just what I needed... ANOTHER person missing the ENTIRE point of one of my posts by claiming that I am here to rain hate down upon you meager mortals fools on any chance that I get.

In reality, all I'm saying is that it is a shame that people are so concerned with the way the games look that they are "on the fence" about buying it. The reason you should purchase a console is because the games are fun... all the graphical power in the world won't make a crappy game fun to play.

While it is true that even I was talking about the graphical capabilities of the system... in the end I (as many others) would have purchased it even if the graphics resembled those of the original DS... why? Nintendo are the king of handhelds & the games coming out for it seem like they would be fun. The power of the console is just an added (but welcomed) bonus.

[Katsuro]

Fun>Graphics

I totally see where you're coming from. But the entire point of the 3DS is the updated graphics and the 3D view thing. And while this is neat, there is nothing else.

Why should anybody get this handheld if it looks, plays and acts just like the DS if they already got an DS? The games would propably only run on the new system, but why if it would look exactly the same? I would feel cheated if a new system (not a re-release!) is sold as something new and revolutionary but still acts, looks and plays like a NDS.
Same goes for every console. Why should I buy a 360 if the system isn't capable of more? Why should I get a PS3 if it is the 3rd update but still doesn't do more then a PS1? So of course it is important to tighten up the graphics (on level 3).

Also, having a system which is capable of high quality stuff makes it way more interesting for third party developers, which also kind of directly impacts on how successful a console is. The power of a console is nowadays everything else but a bonus. Also ellipses.

[roberttitus]

I also understand your point, but the screenshots prove without a doubt that it is much, much, much more powerful than an original DS. The problem I have is that people are still acting as though it is not powerful enough to justify purchasing it (which is a statement that I wholeheartedly disagree without... I mean it is at THE VERY LEAST capable of Wii caliber graphics *seeing as Kid Icarus was guaranteed gameplay footage*). They are basically saying that if the thing is not capable of PS3/360 graphics then they aren't sure if they are getting it... which is a shame that they prioritize graphics so much that they would miss out on such great games.

[Giant Tope]

Actually, my main issue is that in order to process the 3D image, they had to sacrifice a great deal of processing power. And honestly, I'd rather have a really powerfully rounded system, than one that was gonna constantly try to pop things in my face.

Though I don't have the funds to buy any new consoles in the near distant future, so its not like this is competing for my love anyways.


Edit: You know what? I kinda wish Nintendo would actually pick up, for once in its life, and make something that's at least remotely as powerful as the other systems. And not suck about online play. For once.

[SHODANFreeman]

I never said I wasn't going to buy one, I just said I don't care about the 3D effect and I'm highly skeptical about the level of power people are talking it up to have.

I get every new platform that comes out because I dislike missing out on good exclusive games.

[BoneFreak]

Why haven't you guys seen the Nintoaster link I put up??!

HULK SMASH!

[roberttitus]

Why haven't you guys seen the Nintoaster link I put up??!

HULK SMASH!

We saw it... it just adds nothing to this discussion.

Besides, everybody & there mother has seen that thing thanks to AVGN.

[BoneFreak]

We saw it... it just adds nothing to this discussion.

Besides, everybody & there mother has seen that thing thanks to AVGN.

Sometimes I wonder if there's anything that doesn't make you argue.. :confused:

[roberttitus]

Sometimes I wonder if there's anything that doesn't make you argue.. :confused:

That isn't arguing... that is me being honest. It added nothing, so we ignored it to talk about what this thread was started to talk about. I'm sorry if I offended you.

[Elvenmonk]

@Katsuro it also gets motion sensors put in and the Analog stick which can add new elements, the least. But, to some that's not good either. Problem is we're about to start reaching apoint where consoles do just become graphics update.
I'll be getting a 3DS no matter what, as I said I'd get a DS when people told me it's nothing but an updated GBA.


@Robert you do seem to just be attacking people now even if it didn't add discussion all you had to say was "We saw it."

[roberttitus]

@Katsuro it also gets motion sensors put in and the Analog stick which can add new elements, the least. But, to some that's not good either. Problem is we're about to start reaching apoint where consoles do just become graphics update.
I'll be getting a 3DS no matter what, as I said I'd get a DS when people told me it's nothing but an updated GBA.


@Robert you do seem to just be attacking people now even if it didn't add discussion all you had to say was "We saw it."

Believe me kiddo, you would know if I was attacking.... that most certainly was not an attack.

[Giant Tope]

lol

[roberttitus]

Let me draw your attention to this thread...

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10861

THIS is me attacking somebody... but to be fair, I still feel that I was provoked into it. I mean I have got into real life fights over the kind of stuff that was said to me in that thread... & what was all of it for you may ask? I questioned Telltale's release schedule.... No... Seriously. Funny thing is that I'm considered the uncivil one around here... Well this thread has alot to do with what made me that way.

Nevertheless, enjoy this trip down memory lane... you will see tons of swearing from me, bonafide rage at being told I basically suck as a family man, my transformation into the bitter forum goer that you all know & hate today (I'm actually quite mellow outside of this forum believe it or not...) & what it is that really made Palefreeman & I hate one another to the extent that we do today.... once again... all because I questioned the release schedule...

[GuruGuru214]

Yes, you do have a knack for getting threads locked when something pisses you off, the likes of which I've never seen around here.

[roberttitus]

I can't argue with that... simply because it is true... but it usually has to be something that either makes me rage to the point that I feel my heart is going to burst or something that incredibly offends me (such as making fun of dead people for dying... but in retrospect I didn't actually get that thread locked, I was suspended at the time *The stupidest suspension I have ever received*). I also feel that the last thread I was in that got locked wasn't my fault. I tried MULTIPLE times to squash things before they ever got out of hand (which is a first for me ON HERE I do believe) & then, just as I had regained order, it got closed for some god forsaken reason. I think in all I have gotten (at least partially) 4 threads closed. Which is more than it should be, but at the same time not entirely outrageous. I have also noticed a recurring theme of Palefreeman also being in those threads.... hmmm...

But once again this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Lets just get back on topic now.

[Friar]

Do you realize how much money Nintendo makes off of each handheld they release ("Updated" rereleases & all)? Let's just say enough to virtually guarantee that the 3DS is going to be a MASSIVE commercial success.

Near 360 quality graphics or not people will buy the system... they always have in the past & they always will as long as Nintendo is around. Developers know this, so I HIGHLY doubt that the developer in question was making false claims (especially after seeing screenshots of some of the games) for the sake of console sells.

Hell... Look at Hideo Kojima's comments. He chose not to remain anonymous as the other person did... instead he just came right out & basically said "Hey.... This thing is a beast". I highly doubt that a developer as well known & respected as Hideo Kojima would give his stamp of approval to a piece of crap. So even if it isn't a graphical powerhouse in the end, it is a quality machine with quality games coming out for it... being on the fence because you don't know how good the graphics are going to be (as many of you have claimed to be) just seems lame. I mean missing a whole slew of awesome blockbuster games (MGS 3D, Resident Evil: Revelations, OoT, Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Paper Mario & Starfox just to name a few) just because they don't have PS3/360 quality graphics seems like a sad & stupid thing to do to me... but to each there own I suppose.

When i said i was neutral, i meant i'm holding judgement on the graphical capabilities. Not that thats a leading factor in my purchase. Heck, the Wii was my main console for 3 years! I just don't want to get hyped up thinking it's PS3 level graphics, and then turning out it's just above wii-level.

Currently my status on the console is "I will undoubtedly buy it eventually, but not full price at launch" (currently the only games i've seen that intrest me are Zelda, Star fox, paper mario and mario kart. Two of which i already own, so forking out £200 ish for a new console plus £30 ish for the games doesn't seem right for me at the moment) I'll either wait and buy a new model when thats released, or wait for a price drop.

[SHODANFreeman]

PS: I don't know why you assume I hate you. I just happen to disagree with you on a regular basis.

When i said i was neutral, i meant i'm holding judgement on the graphical capabilities. Not that thats a leading factor in my purchase. Heck, the Wii was my main console for 3 years! I just don't want to get hyped up thinking it's PS3 level graphics, and then turning out it's just above wii-level.

Currently my status on the console is "I will undoubtedly buy it eventually, but not full price at launch" (currently the only games i've seen that intrest me are Zelda, Star fox, paper mario and mario kart. Two of which i already own, so forking out £200 ish for a new console plus £30 ish for the games doesn't seem right for me at the moment) I'll either wait and buy a new model when thats released, or wait for a price drop.

I was planning on getting a DSi XL within the next few months, but now I'm just putting that off indefinitely (forever?) and getting a 3DS.

[Elvenmonk]

Shodan, was a smart idea. As someone who has a DSi (it's nice and I love it) you can't use most of it's features to it's fullest. Most games didn't add support for WPA internet (post DSi launch I'm talking about) so I had to revert my wireless back to WEP. The DSi market place is nice but can be lacking in certain aspects. I see the DSi as a test to see how to better perfect the 3DS. Plus this has also given me a reason to pull my old GBA out of retirement.

[Gman5852]

I was planning on getting a DSi XL within the next few months, but now I'm just putting that off indefinitely (forever?) and getting a 3DS.

I actually was going to get a dsixl(and yes i do own a dsi but it was busted at the time) but then the 3ds was announced and this is a WANT!!!!

Also did anyone noticed the ds lite's big feature was being lighter and smaller, while the xl's big point was being BIGGER.

[Avistew]

Also did anyone noticed the ds lite's big feature was being lighter and smaller, while the xl's big point was being BIGGER.

Different markets?

[BoneFreak]

You know what WAS a "3D" and a "Handheld Console"?

The Virtual Boy.

Only difference is that the 3ds is not a pair of goggles and everything isn't red and black.

[MusicallyInspired]

The Virtual Boy was about as handheld and portable as a submarine's periscope.

[Remolay]

It was also seizure inducing if I remember correctly

[Elvenmonk]

And made you lose to ability to see the color red for perdiods of 5 minutes-3 hours depending on time spent playing.

[MusicallyInspired]

Hehehe. This reminded me of the Angry Video Game Nerd video reviewing the Virtual Boy and the part where he duct-taped it to his head.

[Elvenmonk]

I'll not lie. I'm not a fan of AVGN. Yelling and constant swearing over nothing (mostof the times) isn't funny to me.

[MusicallyInspired]

......ok.

[roberttitus]

......ok.

My thoughts exactly.

[LuigiHann]

Only difference is that the 3ds is not a pair of goggles and everything isn't red and black.

That's a pretty big difference

[Elvenmonk]

Plus you keep your vision afterwards.

[Secret Fawful]

http://ds.ign.com/articles/112/1124158p1.html

All the rumor and speculation can finally come to an end.

During Nintendo's presentation in Japan today, the company announced the 3DS will go on sale in Japan on February 26, 2011. The unit will cost 25,000 yen ($300). The system will be available in Aqua Blue and Cosmo Black.

Nintendo did not provide a release date or price for European and North American territories, but stated those plans will be announced later through Nintendo's overseas branches.

So yeah, a price that translates to $300, but according to some comments, the Yen price is always higher than the European/US pricing, so it's expected that in the US and Europe it will cost around the same as the DSi XL when it came out.

Release date February 26.


Now for the news that caused me to need a new pair of pants. It involves...a certain Megaman series on 3DS.

http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/09/29/mega-man-legends-3-we-are-not-kidding

http://twitter.com/Capcom_Unity/statuses/25858501420

Like I said. I NEED A NEW PAIR OF PANTS.

[Icedhope]

I want it, and I'm putting a 150 dollars down on it...and I'm thinking it's going to be 250..those are just my thoughts though.

[Ashton]

damn I came in here thinking we were talking about software (3D Studio/MAX) oh well...

last handheld I bought was GBC. I find there are better games on PC and they will usually run on my laptop (especially in the future when I get the $$$ together to get an i7 laptop) maybe I'm a snob, but I felt I outgrew portable game systems around 15 or so... (not counting WORMS on my phone, of course ;))

LET THE FLAMES FLY! :P

[Friar]

I don't think it's something i'll buy at launch. It depends if theres a "Trade in your DSi and get a 3DS for £100" offer or something, that counteracts the benefits of waiting. I got my DSi for £70 instead of £150 at laucnh that way.

It also depends on the launch line-up. I only want Paper mario, Star fox, mario kart and Zelda. If none of those are available at launch, it will be atough sell.

As for the GB Virtual console, it's a great idea (one that should have happened with the DSi), but the pricing has to be rightt. I'm not paying anymore than 800NP for a GBA game. And no sneakily changing the points value (Nintendo points bought on the wii cost £7 for 1000, whereas on th dsi they cost £9).And It needa to support WPA internet encryption, and prefferably have a unified account/transferable purchases.

[Remolay]

Everyone seems to be intent in taking my money before I can buy a computer, I swear

[SunnyGuy]

This is the best console ever and it's not even out already.

[Icedhope]

Everyone seems to be intent in taking my money before I can buy a computer, I swear

Well you know around christmas is the worst time to save money.

[Friar]

This is the best console ever and it's not even out already.

I don't know about that. Most of the games people are excited about are remakes!

[SunnyGuy]

Even so, they're remakes of great games, and not to mention

-Kingdom Hearts
-Resident Evil (2 of them)
-Professor Layton
-Kid Icarus
-Paper Mario
-Mario Kart
-Obligatory Mario and Zelda games that you know will come out
-Promise of even more games from SE
-A Shin Megami Tensei game
-A Persona game
-Portable virtual console
-MEGAMAN ****ing LEGENDS 3

And that's before the thing even launches, and unless support for the console magically vanishes completely after it launches there is no way for it to go but up.

Besides it's called hyperbole.

[Ashton]

-MEGAMAN ****ing LEGENDS 3
.

damn you ALMOST had me, I saw "Megaman" then I saw "legends" Now it was MegamanX Complete Anthology It would be hard for me to say no...

Also "Portable Virtual console" --- isnt that exactly what this thing *IS* going by the list of games?

[SunnyGuy]

The list of games doesn't consist of GB(C/A) games and (S)NES games, so no.

[SHODANFreeman]

Mega Man Legends was awful.

[DrRocketGenius]

I want it, and I'm putting a 150 dollars down on it...

Are places already taking preorders? If so, WHERE WHERE WHERE?

[Gman5852]

Wow I just thought of 3D pokemon red. Mainly the the begining of battles where your trainers back appears to the screen in a circle.

Also only the Japanese release date? I have been waiting months for the release date only for it to be japanese release dates. Come on

[Secret Fawful]

Mega Man Legends was awful.

Well. You're wrong.

[DrRocketGenius]

One Gamestop knew nothing (surprising, right?). The other Gamestop I called knew about the March date and everything announced yesterday, but he didn't know when they'd start taking preorders. He guessed after Christmas, but he wasn't sure.

The more I think about it, it's less than six months away. That's not that bad.

[Remolay]

Well. You're wrong.

How's this for compromise? It was an awesome game that was badly made

[Elvenmonk]

I wouldn't say it was baddly made, it just had some flaws.

[Icedhope]

Are places already taking preorders? If so, WHERE WHERE WHERE?

Probably by the end of next week, or soon after.

[Secret Fawful]

How's this for compromise? It was an awesome game that was badly made

It was an awesome PS1 game; but it sucked on N64. And Megaman Legends 2 was way better. Lots of fans enjoyed it and want more, myself included, and on 3DS with improved gameplay it should be amazing.

Oh and new video of many of the launch games in action; including the RE game and the MGS game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT0Hl5ZYzDw&feature=player_embedded

Many more new videos available at IGN.

[SHODANFreeman]

Well. You're wrong.
How's this for compromise? It was an awesome game that was badly made
I wouldn't say it was baddly made, it just had some flaws.
It was an awesome PS1 game; but it sucked on N64. And Megaman Legends 2 was way better. Lots of fans enjoyed it and want more, myself included, and on 3DS with improved gameplay it should be amazing.

It was the same game on N64 as it was on PS1, so I don't know how it could be awesome on PS1 and suck on N64, but the game was so bad either way that I never even cared that it had a sequel. I'd rather play the terrible ZX games than Legends.

And by improved gameplay, I really hope you mean "entirely different and not horrible" gameplay. Because MML was one of the most horrible games to play ever. It would be like trying to play Monkey Island by throwing beanbags across a 30 foot room to click on things, that's about how awkward and unintuitive the controls were.

[Ashton]

Unintuitive

Seems to be this thing's catchphrase. 3D gimmic aside, it looks like it's just a platform to re-release older games on...

Though while we're dreaming, Anyone want to see a *classic* Metroid Anthology? (i.e. pre-prime)

[Elvenmonk]

It was the same game on N64 as it was on PS1, so I don't know how it could be awesome on PS1 and suck on N64, but the game was so bad either way that I never even cared that it had a sequel. I'd rather play the terrible ZX games than Legends.

And by improved gameplay, I really hope you mean "entirely different and not horrible" gameplay. Because MML was one of the most horrible games to play ever. It would be like trying to play Monkey Island by throwing beanbags across a 30 foot room to click on things, that's about how awkward and unintuitive the controls were.

Question on why I was quoted. I admitted there were flaws ( didn't say which version because both had the same flaws ) but despite the flaws I found the game, and still do, to be fun. All it was was an MM Third Person Shooter, but it was at the time where TPS' weren't as functional as they are today as developers were still learning proper camera and character movement for third person view.

[SHODANFreeman]

Question on why I was quoted. I admitted there were flaws ( didn't say which version because both had the same flaws ) but despite the flaws I found the game, and still do, to be fun. All it was was an MM Third Person Shooter, but it was at the time where TPS' weren't as functional as they are today as developers were still learning proper camera and character movement for third person view.

I just quoted all the posts that had to do with it, I didn't really take issue with what you said or anything. :p

[Remolay]

I now want this for one more reason. Megaman Legends (Rockman DASH) 3. I tried to convince a friend of mine about this one now. His response is that he hopes it's not majorly controlled with the Touch screen.

I'm now with him on this one.

[Secret Fawful]

It was the same game on N64 as it was on PS1, so I don't know how it could be awesome on PS1 and suck on N64, but the game was so bad either way that I never even cared that it had a sequel. I'd rather play the terrible ZX games than Legends.

And by improved gameplay, I really hope you mean "entirely different and not horrible" gameplay. Because MML was one of the most horrible games to play ever. It would be like trying to play Monkey Island by throwing beanbags across a 30 foot room to click on things, that's about how awkward and unintuitive the controls were.

You got knocked down once and quit didn't you. Because outside of that, that is the only frustrating thing about the controls at all. The camera was much worse on the N64 and the controls as well because the game wasn't built to be played on an N64. With a PS1 controller it controls fine and the camera is much easier to manage. I admit when I first played it I hated the controls because of how much I would get knocked down then raped by enemies; but I gave it another chance and really played it and it grew on me. But I also played it first on the N64; I play the PS1 version now and I can notice a big difference in how well it controls.

Later on you get rollerblades and can skate everywhere, plus jump REALLY high...etc. And using the rollerblades is one of the most fun things to control ever.

[SHODANFreeman]

I played it for a fairly decent length of time and absolutely hated every second of it.

[Gman5852]

Guys I found a video that shows features the 3DS besides 3D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSdUvbLhSo

[SammenMacks128]

Pardon my fanboyism, but I think the 3DS looks revolutionary. I espcially can't wait for MGS, RE, OoT, SF64, and other games that I can refer to by acronyms that make the titles almost unrecognizable.

[guitarsareboring]

I think it LOOKS really good, but it'll have to add some fantastic titles to its lineup to fully convince me I can replace my PSP and DS.

[SHODANFreeman]

I think the 3DS looks revolutionary.

What is revolutionary about it? It's a DS with better graphics.

[Rather Dashing]

What is revolutionary about it? It's a DS with better graphics.
It also has a thumbstick-like nub!

[JedExodus]

The stylus is chrome and retractable bitches!

[DrRocketGenius]

What is revolutionary about it? It's a DS with better graphics.

Erm... and glasses-free 3D. That's kind of a big feature.

[Secret Fawful]

A 3DS is a 3DS. Calling it a DS makes you wrong. Because its a 3DS. Not a DS. There is a 3 at the beginning at the title - but there is also plenty different about it. For one the graphical difference does make it a different system or else-

GCN = N64 SNES or NES with better graphics.
PS2 = PS1 with better graphics.
PS3 = PS2 and 1 with better graphics.
PS1 = N64 with better graphics.
N64 = SNES or NES with 3D graphics.
DS = GBA SP with 3D graphics.
SNES = NES with better graphics.

A 3DS is not a DS. It's a 3DS. Don't be an idiot.

[SHODANFreeman]

A 3DS is a 3DS. Calling it a DS makes you wrong. Because its a 3DS. Not a DS. There is a 3 at the beginning at the title - but there is also plenty different about it. For one the graphical difference does make it a different system or else-

GCN = N64 SNES or NES with better graphics.
PS2 = PS1 with better graphics.
PS3 = PS2 and 1 with better graphics.
PS1 = N64 with better graphics.
N64 = SNES or NES with 3D graphics.
DS = GBA SP with 3D graphics.
SNES = NES with better graphics.

A 3DS is not a DS. It's a 3DS. Don't be an idiot.

I am asking what is revolutionary about upgrading the graphics. Please read my posts more carefully in the future.

Erm... and glasses-free 3D. That's kind of a big feature.

Also, I guarantee this "feature" will look horrible and that almost every game will look better with it off. It's also a monumental waste of processing power.

[Rather Dashing]

Glasses-less 3D *is* just "improved graphics". I mean what changes the device, um, significantly. Other than railroading a significant chunk of processing power that can be used to run better games and using it for a parlor trick that makes things pretty. I mean, not to be rude about it, but there's really nothing there that has value in terms of better games.

[SunnyGuy]

I thought the common opinion of the people that've actually seen it in action was quite the opposite of what you're guaranteeing.

[SHODANFreeman]

I thought the common opinion of the people that've actually seen it in action was quite the opposite of what you're guaranteeing.

The common opinion is also that Wii's motion controls (and DS touch screen controls) add something to a game other than annoying and inconvenient hand jiggling, often just replacing buttons with complicated gestures, so popular opinion does nothing for me, to be honest.

[Secret Fawful]

I am asking what is revolutionary about upgrading the graphics. Please read my posts more carefully in the future.

Don't be an asshole and write my post off just because I responded to one part of yours, which I read just fine where you stated explicitly "its just a DS with better graphics". Nice try on making what I said completely irrelevant. I'll just go ahead and post it again.

A 3DS is a 3DS. Calling it a DS makes you wrong. Because its a 3DS. Not a DS. There is a 3 at the beginning at the title - but there is also plenty different about it. For one the graphical difference does make it a different system or else-

GCN = N64 SNES or NES with better graphics.
PS2 = PS1 with better graphics.
PS3 = PS2 and 1 with better graphics.
PS1 = N64 with better graphics.
N64 = SNES or NES with 3D graphics.
DS = GBA SP with 3D graphics.
SNES = NES with better graphics.

A 3DS is not a DS. It's a 3DS. Don't be an idiot. You're still JUST AS WRONG in your statement.

[SHODANFreeman]

Mindless rage

GCN = N64 SNES or NES with better graphics. (and disc based media and a weak attempt at netplay)
PS2 = PS1 with better graphics. (and analog sticks on the standard controller, a DVD player and a slightly better attempt at netplay than Gamecube)
PS3 = PS2 and 1 with better graphics. (and a Blu-ray player and great netplay and motion control)
PS1 = N64 with better graphics. (Uhhh... I think you mean worse? Also disc based media)
N64 = SNES or NES with 3D graphics. (and vastly improved sound card as well as more buttons and an analog stick)
DS = GBA SP with 3D graphics. (and a touch screen and more buttons)
SNES = NES with better graphics. (as well as more buttons and more advanced sound)

3DS = DS with better graphics (and a 3D gimmick and analog nub)

This is now more accurate, but primarily, a new system is typically mostly the same as another system with better graphics, good job stating the obvious. My post was entirely asking what makes a rather ordinary incremental upgrade to video processing power "revolutionary".

[Secret Fawful]

Don't be a pansy. Mindless rage is when someone is beating your face in with a shoe. I'm tame.

It's merely revolutionary for video games; not for anything else. But people say that about every upgrade; because every upgrade does change the way we play and experience these games. That's about it though; outside of that you're pretty much right. It's just an upgrade. I already know a few people who plan to turn the 3D off and keep it off so uh...not much I can say about that. It'll probably wow the easily pleased like me; but more critical people aren't going to find one thing to enjoy about it. 3D doesn't have a huge following; when the 300 price tag came up I began to kind of have a bad feeling about the handheld. It'll really have to be good or word of mouth will squish it like a bug at that price.

EDIT: The most exciting thing to me about the system isn't the system itself but the game listing.

[SHODANFreeman]

The most exciting thing to me about the system isn't the system itself but the game listing.

I'm not even particularly impressed with any of the games they've announced. :/

[figmentPez]

Also, I guarantee this "feature" will look horrible and that almost every game will look better with it off. It's also a monumental waste of processing power.

What kind of guarantee are you offering? I've yet to read or hear any of the gaming press say it looks bad. Even Weekend Confirmed, who regularly rant about how awful 3D is for TVs, raved about how amazing the 3DS looked.

EDIT: Oh, let's not overlook the other big new feature of the 3DS: Always on wireless that will allow multiple games to be in "tag mode" at once.

[SunnyGuy]

I'm not even particularly impressed with any of the games they've announced. :/

BEFORE LAUNCH there's already a number of big name franchises, remakes of what are considered some of the best games ever, AND revivals of beloved franchises long thought to be dead and nothing impresses you? I know there's opinions and everything, but, sheesh, forgive me if it's kinda hard to believe.


EDIT: Oh, let's not overlook the other big new feature of the 3DS: Always on wireless that will allow multiple games to be in "tag mode" at once.

The alternate reality game thing with the cameras looked quite interesting too, could be quite fun if done properly.

[Giant Tope]

I don't like how nintendo keeps repackaging their old classics in order to avoid the fact that they really aren't doing anything new.

[Secret Fawful]

They're doing plenty new. But I really would like to see a NEW Zelda game on the 3DS. And a NEW Starfox game. The only reason I'm really happy about Ocarina of Time even being on the handheld is that I lost my copy a long time ago and this is my chance to get the game again WITH graphical upgrades. To the other N64 remakes: I fart in your general direction.

[SunnyGuy]

If they're like Mario 64 DS they'll definitely be worth getting though, AND there's an analog now, so there should be no problem with controls this time. There's only what though, OoT, SF and Pilotwings?

[Giant Tope]

They're doing plenty new.

Name all the new series they've done in the past 5 years.

[figmentPez]

I don't like how nintendo keeps repackaging their old classics in order to avoid the fact that they really aren't doing anything new.

Yeah, Nintendo never comes out with new properties or ideas. All they ever do is Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Why can't they do innovative stuff like Pikmin, Professor Layton, WiiFit, PhotoDojo, BrainAge, ArtStyle, ElectroPlankton, WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo?

[Rather Dashing]

Name all the new series they've done in the past 5 years.
Brain Age
Wii Sports
Wii Fit
Wii Music
Art Style
Nintendogs
Flipnote Studio
Steel Diver

Forgive me if I forgot one.

[GuruGuru214]

Mindless rage is when someone is beating your face in with a shoe.

Reading this thread makes me want to mindless rage all of you. Seriously, you're all grouchy and nitpicking each others' arguments about a freaking toy. I'm all for debate, but you guys are just arguing in circles and not getting anywhere, and you're all doing it angrily and derisively.

[Rather Dashing]

Yeah, Nintendo never comes out with new properties or ideas. All they ever do is Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Why can't they do innovative stuff like Pikmin, Professor Layton, WiiFit, PhotoDojo, BrainAge, ArtStyle, ElectroPlankton, WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo?
Pikmin: 2001, not "past five years"
Professor Layton: Developed by Level-5.
Chibi Robo, the last-gen platformer that just BARELY squeaks by and was mostly developed by Skip Ltd.

Leaving us with:

PhotoDojo
Wii Fit
Brain Age
ArtStyle
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven

Most of which are small experimental titles released by non-major Nintendo studios and few of which that can even be called "games" at all.

[GuruGuru214]

Also, all this "original IP is god" stuff pisses me off. Is there something wrong with creating more games in a series that's time-tested, successful, and beloved? You guys are talking as if a game is incapable of having originality just because "oh, it has that guy in the green skirt and he fights with a sword".

[figmentPez]

Pikmin: 2001, not "past five years".

Yeah, I don't care. People were complaining about Nintendo never doing anything new way back then as well. It's an old argument, I gave an old retort before seeing a request for "past five years".

Even if you look at Nintendo's mainline titles, they're still doing pretty interesting things. They were brave enough to make the DS Zelda games stylus controlled. If they hadn't been Zelda themed people would have been oohing and ahhing over the innovation of a touch controlled action-adventure. Instead critics were complaining about "yet another Zelda".


Now, before I get labeled as a hopeless Nintendo fanboy. Their online everything sucks. I think they're morons for killing off the Player's Choice titles. I wont' buy anything on WiiWare, Vitual Console or DSiWare until they stop linking downloads to specific hardware (instead of to an account). Nintendo needs to stop being afraid of buttons. And, I'm not buying another Nintendo console until they have HDMI and multi-channel digital surround sound.

[Giant Tope]

Yeah, Nintendo never comes out with new properties or ideas. All they ever do is Mario, Zelda and Metroid. Why can't they do innovative stuff like Pikmin, Professor Layton, WiiFit, PhotoDojo, BrainAge, ArtStyle, ElectroPlankton, WarioWare, Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo?

Woah, no need to be snappy there buddy. First off, I wouldn't really count Professor Layton and ElectroPlankton as Nintendo games. Second off, I would discount Pikmin and Warioware as recent.

But sure, I'll give you the rest, with a maybe on Chibi-Robo. I haven't played any of the Art Style games, so I can't really say anything about them. However, with the exception of Rhythm Heaven and Chibi-Robo, none of the remaining games are particularly innovative or substantial.


Also, all this "original IP is god" stuff pisses me off. Is there something wrong with creating more games in a series that's time-tested, successful, and beloved? You guys are talking as if a game is incapable of having originality just because "oh, it has that guy in the green skirt and he fights with a sword".

Now hold on, I never said "original IP is god". I love the plumber, pokeymans, and all that jive, I just would like to see new stuff too. And what's annoying about it is that I know Nintendo can do it. Pikmin was a great example, but that was 10 years ago now.

also, the 3ds better not be as brain damaging as the vb. shit hurts man.

[Secret Fawful]

You guys all forgot Nintendo's other extremely amazing new original IP Captain Rainbow, also developed by the guys who made Chibi-Robo.

Reading this thread makes me want to mindless rage all of you. Seriously, you're all grouchy and nitpicking each others' arguments about a freaking toy. I'm all for debate, but you guys are just arguing in circles and not getting anywhere, and you're all doing it angrily and derisively.

I'm not justifying my own actions but that happens a lot around here; where have you been?

[Giant Tope]

god, i wish i could attribute captain rainbow to nintendo, but skip made it. :(


Reading this thread makes me want to mindless rage all of you. Seriously, you're all grouchy and nitpicking each others' arguments about a freaking toy. I'm all for debate, but you guys are just arguing in circles and not getting anywhere, and you're all doing it angrily and derisively.

youre mad?

oh

i wasn't mad. just speakin my mind.

when i went to pax for the first time last month, i realized that at this point, we've developed a gaming culture (whether its a good thing or not is not important in context), so i really dont see a problem about people talkin about game companies and hardware specs and stuff.

[GuruGuru214]

I'm not justifying my own actions but that happens a lot around here; where have you been?

In the happy threads, apparently.

[Giant Tope]

oh apparently art style is all done by skip also. dayum :I

[Secret Fawful]

Like I told SHODAN, I wasn't really mad. That was tame. I too was just speaking my mind. Maybe I'm just too used to confrontational debates in forums, I dunno.

[guitarsareboring]

$300 is pretty expensive, especially considering console prices in the UK usually just have the dollar sign replaced with a pound sign, rather than making the actually conversion. Therefore it'll probably be £300, which is approximately $470.

Glasses-less 3D *is* just "improved graphics". I mean what changes the device, um, significantly. Other than railroading a significant chunk of processing power that can be used to run better games and using it for a parlor trick that makes things pretty. I mean, not to be rude about it, but there's really nothing there that has value in terms of better games.

What do you want it to do differently? I expect if they'd done anything else, you'd be writing it off as a tacky gimmick. It looks, from what I've seen, to be more powerful than any other handheld system and if the 3D aspect is popular, Sony and Apple will certainly be trying to replicate it and Microsoft may even have a go. Sounds potentially revolutionary to me.

[GuruGuru214]

oh

i wasn't mad. just speakin my mind.

Like I told SHODAN, I wasn't really mad. That was tame. I too was just speaking my mind. Maybe I'm just too used to confrontational debates in forums, I dunno.

Oh. Well. Glad we cleared that up.




So...do we group hug now or something?

[Giant Tope]

yes

[Gman5852]

Guys I found a video that shows features the 3DS besides 3D.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSdUvbLhSo

What is revolutionary about it? It's a DS with better graphics.

Yeah um cough cough. This shows all the features the 3ds which proves, it is not a DS with better graphics.

[JedExodus]

Glasses-less 3D *is* just "improved graphics". I mean what changes the device, um, significantly. Other than railroading a significant chunk of processing power that can be used to run better games and using it for a parlor trick that makes things pretty. I mean, not to be rude about it, but there's really nothing there that has value in terms of better games.

The glaseless 3D can be used for gameplay enhancements as well i'm sure. The one example I hear is better depth perception. Like when you line yourself up to hit a box in a 3D Mario game and clean miss and feel like a moron, that kind of thing'll be a fixture of the past

It's up to designers to make it worthwhile, I wouldn't write it off just yet

[Elvenmonk]

Yeah um cough cough. This shows all the features the 3ds which proves, it is not a DS with better graphics.

I never saw that. Totally pre-ordering Day one with one day shipping from Amazon.

What's the deal with taking skip games away from Nintendo? They work basically hand in hand with Nintendo and all their games are Nintendo only.

Also how could people forget Xenoblade, or Disaster Day of Crisis? You know games made by Nintendo's First Party studio.

[Avistew]

I'm all for new series too. And while I get why they're doing remakes at launch (costs them less and they're more sure to sell them) I hope there will be more new games soon (whether in a new series or an existing one). I probably won't buy the 3DS at launch, as it is I'm only interested in Paper Mario 3, and I'm not buying a console for just one game. Oh, and also, I'm broke. Remember that laptop I've been saving for for months? Still only 50 bucks down for that, and it has to come first.

So I probably won't get the 3DS for a year or two after launch. On the bright side, it probably will be cheaper and with more games I'm interested in available for it, by then.

[figmentPez]

With the way Nintendo comes out with revised hardware for their portable systems, I'm probably going to wait for a 3DS XL, or the 3DS Extra or whatever refinement they make.

[Gman5852]

With the way Nintendo comes out with revised hardware for their portable systems, I'm probably going to wait for a 3DS XL, or the 3DS Extra or whatever refinement they make.

Where as I will buy the original, a game, and then ignore the new 3ds that will come out the next year because I'll be broke for a while. Now which game to buy... Its a tie between mario kart and paper mario 3d

[Friar]

I really don't get the "It's a DS with better graphics" arguement. By extension, we may as well call the PS3 an Atari 2600 with better graphics.

[mightypiratetm]

Game Ideas: Sam & Max Season 2 3D
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/81/nintendo3dsm.jpg

[Rather Dashing]

I really don't get the "It's a DS with better graphics" arguement. By extension, we may as well call the PS3 an Atari 2600 with better graphics.
You don't understand the argument because you have no idea what it's arguing against.

The argument is made that the 3DS is actually something "revolutionary". This is something that, at best, can't be determined yet, and to assume it now is to be falling into fanboy logic and marketing speak. Nobody said the PS3 was revolutionary compared to all of its predecessors.

The 3DS is to the DS what every video game system has been to its predecessors, plus the gimmick that is at best unlikely to affect the gameplay of the vast majority of the system's software releases(in a positive sense, at least, considering its drain on processing power).

There is nothing WRONG with being an incremental upgrade. There is just nothing inherently revolutionary about it. Maybe EVOLUTIONARY, along the expected lines, with an odd mutation that is slightly beneficial and slightly detrimental, time being what will tell how much benefit and drawback we'll have.

What do you want it to do differently? I expect if they'd done anything else, you'd be writing it off as a tacky gimmick. It looks, from what I've seen, to be more powerful than any other handheld system and if the 3D aspect is popular, Sony and Apple will certainly be trying to replicate it and Microsoft may even have a go. Sounds potentially revolutionary to me.
If they did what they're doing NOW I'm going to write it off as a tacky gimmick. Because it is. It's cashing in on a fad that has faded in and out of style with only minor steps forward in technology over th past 70 years, using the same trick that 3D in cinema has used since it first came out, packaged in a more pocket-friendly package.

What would I do differently? Create a handheld game machine. 3D is not something that is important enough to gameplay to eat up that much development time, and considering viewing angle issues it's probably best to leave it out of the handheld space. That processing power can be used to run bigger and better games, too. Robust online play, a solid set of controls(maybe including a touchscreen and movement controls, but certainly not focusing on them completely in press materials). I'd ditch the two screens, because the one on the bottom for the last system rarely worked out and its few successes(which, granted, are very good when they work) aren't really worth all the "pause menu/generic map on bottom, game on top" scenarios. Creating games for the machine like they did with Super Mario 64 on the N64, and not porting games for one of the worst controllers for ports in history that only ever worked for games made specifically for the hardware, because yes the N64 controller was bad(or at least exclusionary). Nintendogs PLUS Cats does very little to assuage my concerns that the casual market will be mined for the first couple years with a couple scraps tossed our way(in the form of a new Kid Icarus game and direct ports of older titles) until the casual market gets fickle again as it always does.

tl;dr version: Make hardware while only considering what is good for games and for portability, then make great games that showcase the best the hardware can do for the hardcore audience. I'm obviously not Nintendo. At all.

[Gman5852]

Game Ideas: Sam & Max Season 2 3D

Thats a terrible idea.
Guys I have a good idea. Sam and Max all 3 seasons 3D
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/81/nintendo3dsm.jpg

[mightypiratetm]

Thats a terrible idea.
Guys I have a good idea. Sam and Max all 3 seasons 3D
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/81/nintendo3dsm.jpg
Agreed! But is only s2 cuz the screenshot is from s2

[RingmasterJ5]

Thats a terrible idea.
Guys I have a good idea. Sam and Max all 3 seasons 3D
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/81/nintendo3dsm.jpg

S3 wouldn't work.

[Gman5852]

S3 wouldn't work.

Why, the 3ds is said to rival the PS3 in graphics, so telltale can use that. You can use the control pad for the WASD control, instead of click and drag. And tap the screen to click.

[SunnyGuy]

Uh no, it's not even close to PS3. It may look like it, but that's just because of the screen size. Still, if it got done on the iPad I don't see why it couldn't be done here.

[mightypiratetm]

Why, the 3ds is said to rival the PS3 in graphics, so telltale can use that. You can use the control pad for the WASD control, instead of click and drag. And tap the screen to click.
the 3ds graphics are a little better from the wii's graphics, so no

[Giant Tope]

Why, the 3ds is said to rival the PS3 in graphics.

Uh no. PS2, maybe. But not PS3. By a long shot.

[DrRocketGenius]

Sooo... has anyone been able to pre-order it yet?

[Rather Dashing]

Sooo... has anyone been able to pre-order it yet?
There is no release date or official price outside of Japan. Why are you so antsy to put down money now? What's the point? You don't have a 3DS in your hands any more the moment you pre-order than you do the moment before you do.

[Nintendo Boy1]

There is no release date or official price outside of Japan. Why are you so antsy to put down money now? What's the point? You don't have a 3DS in your hands any more the moment you pre-order than you do the moment before you do.

That's what my mom said to me when I pre-ordered The Devil's Playhouse!

[Rather Dashing]

That's what my mom said to me when I pre-ordered The Devil's Playhouse!
I was unaware that The Devil's Playhouse had a release date and pricing in Japan well before the same data came out for the US.

[JedExodus]

I'm obviously not Nintendo. At all.

This's why you'll never own that castle in Europe

[Nintendo Boy1]

I was unaware that The Devil's Playhouse had a release date and pricing in Japan well before the same data came out for the US.

Telltale is just real slick with those kinds of things. That's how they roll.

[Rather Dashing]

"As for the battery," Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said during an investor Q&A, "it is inevitable that Nintendo 3DS will be a device which requires more frequent recharging than Nintendo DS. This is why we are going to include the cradle, which is a dedicated battery charger. Perhaps we may need to dispatch to our consumers a message, something like, 'Please place your Nintendo 3DS on the cradle as soon as you return home with it.'"

-Source (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/07/3ds-charge-cradle-motivated-by-streetpass/)

Maybe waiting for hardware revision 2 is a good idea simply for a better battery life.

[DrRocketGenius]

There is no release date or official price outside of Japan. Why are you so antsy to put down money now? What's the point? You don't have a 3DS in your hands any more the moment you pre-order than you do the moment before you do.

Because I like to pre-order just so I know I've got one secured. Especially after how hard it was to find a Wii when they came out.

[Giant Tope]

You should just do a midnight release with a group of friends. That's what I did and weirdly enough I had more fun that night than I ever had with the wii itself. And that's not even a diss on the wii.

[DrRocketGenius]

You should just do a midnight release with a group of friends. That's what I did and weirdly enough I had more fun that night than I ever had with the wii itself. And that's not even a diss on the wii.

My friends either don't care or are waiting for a price drop. :(

I went to a midnight launch for the DSi, but I still had one pre-ordered anyway just to be safe. :p

[Elvenmonk]

I'm going to 1 day pre-order it from Amazon. As amazon ships stuff a bit early so with two day buyers it gets there on launch day. My brother got Season 4 of Dexter a few days before it was released due to this.

[guitarsareboring]

I'm going to 1 day pre-order it from Amazon. As amazon ships stuff a bit early so with two day buyers it gets there on launch day. My brother got Season 4 of Dexter a few days before it was released due to this.

I don't mean to piddle on your pilates but I've got a feeling Amazon will be a little more strict regarding shipping dates with the 3DS than they were with Dexter season 4.

[Elvenmonk]

Meh, even if they don't I'd still get it day one.

[Gman5852]

the 3ds graphics are a little better from the wii's graphics, so no

Uh no. PS2, maybe. But not PS3. By a long shot.

Who said they have made a game with PS3 graphics yet. I know it rivals PS2 graphics(hence kingdom hearts) Plus im sure i heard in an interview that it rivals the PS3, or did they say the 3d made it feel like it rival the PS3

[Giant Tope]

Who said they have made a game with PS3 graphics yet. I know it rivals PS2 graphics(hence kingdom hearts) Plus im sure i heard in an interview that it rivals the PS3, or did they say the 3d made it feel like it rival the PS3

I've seen video of gameplay. At that level, there is no way that it can beat PS3 graphics. Have you seen the PS3's graphics? PS2, being the earliest console to come out previous gen (besides Dreamcast. god bless its soul), has he worst graphical capability. I would have been surprised if the 3DS couldn't top the PS2. I'm pretty sure it's only up to par (if not just a bit better) than the Gamecube. But even then, it's still grainy like the DS. Especially so with Chocobo 3D Racer.

[Elvenmonk]

I'm sure they meant rival the PS3's 3D tech. Because even as a Nintendo Fanboy, I'm sorry, 3DS can't run Bad Company 2.

[DrRocketGenius]

I'm going to 1 day pre-order it from Amazon. As amazon ships stuff a bit early so with two day buyers it gets there on launch day. My brother got Season 4 of Dexter a few days before it was released due to this.

The only problem with that is if it releases on a Sunday (like I assume it will), then you won't get it launch day.

[Elvenmonk]

The only problem with that is if it releases on a Sunday (like I assume it will), then you won't get it launch day.

That's when Amazon's notrious for releasing it early. How my friends got SMG2 and a few other top Nintendo games pre-day one.

[guitarsareboring]

I've seen video of gameplay. At that level, there is no way that it can beat PS3 graphics. Have you seen the PS3's graphics? PS2, being the earliest console to come out previous gen (besides Dreamcast. god bless its soul), has he worst graphical capability. I would have been surprised if the 3DS couldn't top the PS2. I'm pretty sure it's only up to par (if not just a bit better) than the Gamecube. But even then, it's still grainy like the DS. Especially so with Chocobo 3D Racer.

It's a handheld console. Handheld.

http://www.freegameaccess.com/images/super-mario-bros-dx-big.jpg
http://wiiconsumer.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/super-mario-land.png

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/776/776178/sonic-spinball-virtual-console-20070327115807888-000.jpg
http://www.consoleclassix.com/info_img/Sonic_Spinball_SGG_ScreenShot2.jpg

It's never going to compare to its full-sized counterparts.

[Giant Tope]

It's a handheld console. Handheld.

Woah really? I had no idea.

[Gman5852]

Ok guys, maybe it could just be that I have yet to play much of a PS3(only kid games my younger relatives own) so I wouldent know what all it could process, but this still looks good for a handheld

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2017&d=1286631456

[SunnyGuy]

http://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-14cbd931e4a29e.jpghttp://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-04cbd931e2f7b1.jpg


http://layton-vs-gyakuten.jp/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufhYicCUs4
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/10/19/layton_vs_ace_attorney_images/

With this now I don't care what anyone says, BEST CONSOLE EVER.

[Captain Mickey]

http://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-14cbd931e4a29e.jpghttp://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-04cbd931e2f7b1.jpg


http://layton-vs-gyakuten.jp/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufhYicCUs4
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/10/19/layton_vs_ace_attorney_images/

With this now I don't care what anyone says, BEST CONSOLE EVER.

THIS. x100

[Rather Dashing]

I'm slightly more interested in their Time Travelers project, frankly.

[The Highway]

http://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-14cbd931e4a29e.jpghttp://www.gamerzines.com/system.store/media/images/600/professor-vs-phoenix-wright-04cbd931e2f7b1.jpg


http://layton-vs-gyakuten.jp/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufhYicCUs4
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2010/10/19/layton_vs_ace_attorney_images/

With this now I don't care what anyone says, BEST CONSOLE EVER.

:D YAAAAY! This is the best!

[Elvenmonk]

I'm slightly more interested in their Time Travelers project, frankly.

I want both.

[jeeno0142]

Those images of Pheonix and Layton... They look really awesome.

[DrRocketGenius]

Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton. My God, the wait keeps getting harder for this thing.

[LuigiHann]

My mind is going over the many ways in which those two franchises would serve to improve each other, and it seems extremely promising. Phoenix Wright with hand-animated cutscenes? Professor Layton with relevant, crime-related puzzles? This could easily become one of the most enjoyable games in each series.

[Snicklin]

Did you know that the PSP is still generations behind the DS? Think about it. They've only released four models of the PSP, when on the other hand Nintendo is just constantly releasing new models every two years, wasting their money into oblivion. Do you see what Sony's doing? They're saving it all up for the release of the 4000, which will blow the mind of any Nintendo fanboy who gazes upon it.

[Jen Kollic]

Until the PSP gets Pokemon, (roughly the same time as Hell will freeze over I'd imagine) I couldn't give a crap how much more advanced/better/faster/stronger it is compared with the 3DS. GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL.

Apparently, the Pokemon Professor for Black/White will be the player's mother. That'll make it extra-weird when she asks what your name is and if you're a boy or a girl (http://www.vgcats.com/super/?strip_id=0)...

[Rather Dashing]

Did you know that the PSP is still generations behind the DS? Think about it. They've only released four models of the PSP, when on the other hand Nintendo is just constantly releasing new models every two years, wasting their money into oblivion. Do you see what Sony's doing? They're saving it all up for the release of the 4000, which will blow the mind of any Nintendo fanboy who gazes upon it.
*blink*

But...that doesn't make any sense.

[JedExodus]

Did you know that the PSP is still generations behind the DS? Think about it. They've only released four models of the PSP, when on the other hand Nintendo is just constantly releasing new models every two years, wasting their money into oblivion. Do you see what Sony's doing? They're saving it all up for the release of the 4000, which will blow the mind of any Nintendo fanboy who gazes upon it.

DS has all the properties that sell, bar maybe Metal Gear Solid, it's not your hardware that matters, it's your games and Nintendo have had a far better lineup than Sony on the handheld front sice DS and PSP went head-to-head

Not to say that I wouldn't want a PSP, far from it. But my money's with Nintendo cos I know what i'm getting

[Rather Dashing]

DS has all the properties that sell, bar maybe Metal Gear Solid, it's not your hardware that matters, it's your games and Nintendo have had a far better lineup than Sony on the handheld front sice DS and PSP went head-to-head

Not to say that I wouldn't want a PSP, far from it. But my money's with Nintendo cos I know what i'm getting
Jed, buddy. How did you forget Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D?

[SunnyGuy]

I'm sure he's talking about the the DS(L/i(XL)) since he's comparing it to the PSP.

[JedExodus]

Jed, buddy. How did you forget Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D?

I'll have to say 3 decades of the rosary and walk around the church bare-footed twice for that one. I can only assume it was sheer giddy excitement for Kid Icarus and Level-5's hostess game that made me neglect such a hallmark title

[Remolay]

You know, I love Layton's OBJECTION pose there.

[Elvenmonk]

Did you know that the PSP is still generations behind the DS? Think about it. They've only released four models of the PSP, when on the other hand Nintendo is just constantly releasing new models every two years, wasting their money into oblivion. Do you see what Sony's doing? They're saving it all up for the release of the 4000, which will blow the mind of any Nintendo fanboy who gazes upon it.

Uh, no. Line ups matter, not power. DS only released DS, Lite, I, and XL. That's 4 models aswell. It's sad that the PSP had to release 4 models in a shorter time span. I've spent time looking and including import titles I've found a total of 12 games for the PSP I'd even remotely be interested in playing and some with want status. On the DS I've over 20 games and still am getting more.

[Jen Kollic]

I've spent time looking and including import titles I've found a total of 12 games for the PSP I'd even remotely be interested in playing and some with want status. On the DS I've over 20 games and still am getting more.

Besides the whole 'no Pokemon' thing, that's pretty much why I'd still rather have a DS than a PSP. I used to want a PSP when they came out because they could be modded to run emulator software, including ScummVM, but these days you can do that on a DS too. The only PSP games I'd actually want would be Loco Roco 1 and 2, I can't think of any others that interest me.

[Elvenmonk]

Besides the whole 'no Pokemon' thing, that's pretty much why I'd still rather have a DS than a PSP. I used to want a PSP when they came out because they could be modded to run emulator software, including ScummVM, but these days you can do that on a DS too. The only PSP games I'd actually want would be Loco Roco 1 and 2, I can't think of any others that interest me.

What's sad is the 12 I'm counting some are updating PS1 titles, like Parappa and Persona.

[SHODANFreeman]

Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles, Dungeon Siege Throne of Agony, Resistance Retribution, God of War Chains of Olympus, God of War Ghost of Sparta, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Acid 2, Untold Legends Brotherhood of the Blade, Untold Legends The Warrior's Code, Mega Man Powered Up, Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, Ultimate Ghosts N Goblins, Gradius Collection, and that's just off the top of my head and not counting imports.

PSP is a good platform.

[Elvenmonk]

Out of those games you listed, honestly, Ghosts N Goblins only appeals. They're either better fit for PC/PS3/360 or aren't my type of game.
I'm not saying it's not a good platform. I'm saying, personally, it doesn't fit my taste. You and I have different tastes. Most games for it really should just be upgraded to either PS2/3/360 or PC versions. With the one I share with my brother he only plays Samurai Warriors and I only play Project Diva Miku Hatsune. I'm to be getting VC2 and 3 when it comes out, and Persona I've got the racist PS1 version, the rest I have on other consoles too.

[SHODANFreeman]

Most games for it really should just be upgraded to either PS2/3/360 or PC versions.

That's kind of a pointless thing to say. You could say that about almost any game on any portable platform, as well. For example, there's no reason Phantom Hourglass couldn't have been on Wii. Using a pointer to control isn't something you can only do on a touch screen, and having 2 screens has been almost entirely meaningless for most games.

Also, the only games I've ever found to be worthwhile on DS are the Castlevania games, and Contra 4. Many others were big letdowns for me. Metroid Prime Hunters, Mega Man ZX Mega Man ZX Advent, Viewtiful Joe Double Trouble, Children of Mana, Heroes of Mana, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, every single one of those games was a huge disappointment to me. Often, the touch screen simply adds unnecessary gimmicks and awkward controls, with no tangible benefit to the game.

[Elvenmonk]

I guess I should clarify. Like Resistance Retribution is an FPS and should be on PC. Or atleast PS3/360 for dual sticks. a FPS should not be on hand held.
Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker - Feel like gimped counter parts of their console brothers, atleast to me.
GoW not going to comment on as I don't like the series, and thus can't give a fair statement.
I do agree some DS games should be on Wii, PC/PS3/360. Some however have a bit to gain on the console. Trauma Center was a game much better with the DS precision then on the Wii. Problem with the PSP with me is that I see no real gain for the games as you're just using a PS 1.8 without a second stick. Which, due to camera controls and other functions a second stick adds to the games put on the PSP I find needed.
Basically for me it comes down to the PSP is just a PS 1.8 without a stick, but tries to act like a PS 2.4 with it's games. The games seem to be dumping grounds for developers to make quick versions of their PS3/2 counter parts. I'm always just left thinking "Why didn't they just add second stick support and port it to PS2 instead."
The DS atleast feels different then the Wii. It doesn't feel like I'm holding a Wiimote (or GameCube controller) without a missing parts.

[SHODANFreeman]

The entire point of a portable console is playing games without being tethered to a TV, thus making a game for a portable console is done entirely because they want there to be a portable version of that game. With the logic you're applying, Game Boy, Game Gear, Game Boy Advance, etc. should never have existed as all the games on them could have been done better on that generation's current console hardware.

[JedExodus]

Also, the only games I've ever found to be worthwhile on DS are the Castlevania games, and Contra 4.

Your opinion is no longer legal tender round these parts

[SunnyGuy]

Can't we just agree that the DS wins in software but both handhelds are ****ing awesome?

[Elvenmonk]

The entire point of a portable console is playing games without being tethered to a TV, thus making a game for a portable console is done entirely because they want there to be a portable version of that game. With the logic you're applying, Game Boy, Game Gear, Game Boy Advance, etc. should never have existed as all the games on them could have been done better on that generation's current console hardware.

You don't hear me saying those were needed now do you?

[Powerlord]

Did you know that the PSP is still generations behind the DS? Think about it. They've only released four models of the PSP, when on the other hand Nintendo is just constantly releasing new models every two years, wasting their money into oblivion. Do you see what Sony's doing? They're saving it all up for the release of the 4000, which will blow the mind of any Nintendo fanboy who gazes upon it.

The PSP2 is expected to have a late 2011 release (http://kotaku.com/5672410/psp2-will-be-bigger-sport-dual-analog-sticks-and-a-touch-pad-and-be-out-fall-2011), so I doubt we'll see a PSP-4000 model.

[Elvenmonk]

The second analog sounds nice, but I'll just stick with my 3DS. Especially since the PSP2 is supposed to be on par with PS3,so it's bound to be expensive as hell. Last I heard from the leaked info by WB studios. The back touch pad does sound stupid as hell.

[Rather Dashing]

Overzealous developers are saying that the 3DS is "on par with the PS3". You can't compare the 3DS to the PSP2 until AT LEAST Sony actually ACKNOWLEDGES THE SECOND PSP'S EXISTENCE. And how is the back touchpad stupid as hell? It's no more stupid than a DS touch screen....less so, even, because you don't need a stylus to use it, it can be applied more easily to conventional controls, and it doesn't require a second screen that is a massive drain on battery life(in any electronic device, the screen tends to be the largest power sucker).

[Elvenmonk]

How is a touch screen you can't see less stupid then one you can see?
Also, I've been trying to think of a way it can be more convitonal. Since it seems to be a simple mouse tracker pad, as said the Kotaku post.

[Powerlord]

How is a touch screen you can't see less stupid then one you can see?

It's not a screen... and since it's a pad on the reverse side, you don't obscure the screen with your hand (which, btw, is my biggest complaint about the two Zelda DS games). You also don't need to worry about how many fingerprints get on it.

Seriously though, there were rumors several years ago that this sort of touchpad was going to appear in a handheld at some point... the idea is that the game shows you where you fingers are corresponding to the screen in the games that use it.

[Elvenmonk]

Still to use it properly (you know for it' full width and such) you'd have to put your hands at out rageously uncomfortable angles, and I see very little use for it.
(Personally, I've never had the hand blocking the screen due to how I use my DS)

[SHODANFreeman]

You don't hear me saying those were needed now do you?

No, but saying that PSP games should just be console games is saying exactly the same thing.

(PS: Resistance Retribution can be played with a PS3 controller, as long as you have a PS3 and Resistance 2, but it still works perfectly fine even without doing so)

Still to use it properly (you know for it' full width and such) you'd have to put your hands at out rageously uncomfortable angles

Are you implying that playing a touch-heavy DS game for any length of time is comfortable?

[Elvenmonk]

No, but saying that PSP games should just be console games is saying exactly the same thing.

(PS: Resistance Retribution can be played with a PS3 controller, as long as you have a PS3 and Resistance 2, but it still works perfectly fine even without doing so)


Didn't know that to be honest.

"Are you implying that playing a touch-heavy DS game for any length of time is comfortable?" Yes, they are actually. I've played Trauma center once non-stop for 5 hours with no hand cramping or anything. Same with Zelda and many other heavy Stylus games.
Aslong as you know how to work a pencil the DS' touch screen should be no problem. The PSP2 touchpad will have it so you'll need to touch certain parts of the back screen (I can safetly assume) and which I know my hands can't reach all the way behind a PSP, which would then make that uncomfortable as I'd have to lose gaming preformance by letting fingers up and sliding my fingers in the back around to go where I need them to go.

[JedExodus]

Touchapad on PSP2 could be good, depending on what's done with it. Navigate game menus using the trackpad in fall next year folks!

[Harald B]

Didn't think this thread would be so old by now, but anyway I've got some disappointing news to share. Nintendo estimates (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/nintendo-3ds-to-max-out-at-five-hours-of-play-in-3d.ars) the batteries will last only 3-5 hours when the 3D is turned up.
I feared it would be wiser to wait for the inevitable successor, and with this I just might. I'll certainly have to wait for some practical tests to come in before buying one.

[Giant Tope]

I thought this was already established. Either way, it sucks.

[Harald B]

Maybe there was speculation or something, but it looks like this has only been on the record since last weekend.

[DrRocketGenius]

I can deal with that battery life. I'll buy the next model they put out, but until then I can live with 3-5 hours.

[SunnyGuy]

Didn't think this thread would be so old by now, but anyway I've got some disappointing news to share. Nintendo estimates (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/nintendo-3ds-to-max-out-at-five-hours-of-play-in-3d.ars) the batteries will last only 3-5 hours when the 3D is turned up.
I feared it would be wiser to wait for the inevitable successor, and with this I just might. I'll certainly have to wait for some practical tests to come in before buying one.

Just FYI, they said the same of the DSi at the brightest setting, and it supposedly lasts more than that on average. Also, we don't really know on what settings that life battery is.

I'm more disappointed in region locking honestly, but that was expected since the DSi.

[Avistew]

I'm more disappointed in region locking honestly, but that was expected since the DSi.

Ugh, I hadn't researched that so I either didn't know and forgot. That sucks, that's my reason for picking handhelds, since I never know which continent I'll be living in next year. I guess I'll have to pass on the 3DS as well, I'm not up for having to buy two of them to be able to play all of my games.

[SunnyGuy]

Eh, it'll be hacked before you know it and that'll stop being a problem.

[DrRocketGenius]

Region locking doesn't bother me but I definitely understand why people are dissapointed about this. The only two games I've ever imported were Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland and Last Window.

[corruptbiggins]

I think I'll wait for the 2nd iteration, like I did with the original DS (waited a bit and got the Lite).

[Avistew]

Eh, it'll be hacked before you know it and that'll stop being a problem.

But I don't like hacking stuff, it voids my warranty, plus it's illegal. And I'm not tech savvy at all.
Serisouly, after buying my first DS (in Canada) I ended up moving to France again for what I thought would be forever. Then after buying my DS lite I ended up moving back to Canada for two years so far. If I buy the 3DS, there is no way for me to know if I'll stay in a country that sells the games my console will be able to play, and I don't want to have to import all of my games or buy a second console. So yeah, that's pretty annoying in my opinion, but oh well, I haven't played all DS (or GBA, for that matter) games I'm interested yet so far, so I'll just wait and see.

[Gman5852]

Well the battery life is a fail, but it is just an estimate. Ill just have to remember to put the 3ds on that cradle thingie every night and I should be ok.

Also having attempted to create a mii of my little cousin today and it taking my whole family to help, I can honestly say the photo thing is a plus.
I also like the QR codes, which would be great for a thread here to post our creations.

[SHODANFreeman]

3-5 hours is pretty low, but I honestly can't remember a time that I've gone 3-5 hours without access to an outlet.

[mightypiratetm]

3-5 hours is pretty low, but I honestly can't remember a time that I've gone 3-5 hours without access to an outlet.
For a system as powerful as the 3DS, 3-5 hours isn't low

[DrRocketGenius]

The 3-5 hours is most likely with the 3D at max, the backlight at max, and the background wireless on.

[Gman5852]

The 3-5 hours is most likely with the 3D at max, the backlight at max, and the background wireless on.

Good point, I can lower the 3d if I truly have to which Is what Id probably do on the vitural console, or maybe not.

Either way nintendo has jammed a crap load of stuff into this handheld and sony better have something good planned if they want the PSP 2 to sell.

[Gman5852]

Ok the 3ds is 249.99 US dollars.
It will be out on March 27th for the US
and March 25th for Europe.

These are the American launch titles
•Pilotwings Resort
•Nintendogs + Cats
•Steeldiver
•Dead or Alive
•Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D
•Madden NFL
•Super Street Fighter IV 3D
•Asphalt 3D
•Combat of Giants: Dinosaurs 3D
•Ridge Racer 3D
•Resident Evil: The Mercenaries
•LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars

It will have the augmented reality games built in.
I will be getting Nintendogs at launch apparently.

[Rather Dashing]

For a system as powerful as the 3DS, 3-5 hours isn't low
A supercomputer with 1 second of battery life wouldn't be that much use as a portable device, no matter what the "power" of it is.

If you need to play it near an outlet, then there isn't much point to it being portable in the first place. I'm now used to most of my portable devices seeing 5 hours as the low end in terms of battery performance, and I don't think that's all that uncommon.

The 3-5 hours is most likely with the 3D at max, the backlight at max, and the background wireless on.
Seems just as probable to conclude that 3 hours is with all the bells and whistles+3D, and 5 is with screen brightness and wireless and such on(with some variation here and there), but until you have third parties with the things in their hands, it's speculation.

Another thing that should be noted(that I haven't seen mentioned here) is that friend codes are back for the 3DS. Only one for the device, and not as a per-game concern, so now you're just getting kicked in the balls rather than shot in the balls. Thanks, Nintendo.

[Gman5852]

Another thing that should be noted(that I haven't seen mentioned here) is that friend codes are back for the 3DS. Only one for the device, and not as a per-game concern, so now you're just getting kicked in the balls rather than shot in the balls. Thanks, Nintendo.

Well it is a step in the right direction.
Although Nintendo should be glad to know that someone else has a fix for this that they should try.
It is called usernames and friend requests. Used by..... Everyone but them.

[Rather Dashing]

Well it is a step in the right direction.
Although Nintendo should be glad to know that someone else has a fix for this that they should try.
It is called usernames and friend requests. Used by..... Everyone but them.
Nintendo's always taking "one step" in the right direction while everyone else sprints ahead. It happened with third-party censorship, cartridge media, hard drives, digital distribution, online play, online chat, matchmaking, HD video, etc etc and so forth. When it comes to real features that are important to the core audience, Nintendo is a great deal more than a step behind on almost every count, and have been for three console generations now.

[SunnyGuy]

If it's really just one for the whole console and its games (unlike the Wii which was one for the console PLUSE one for each game -__-) I don't see what's so bad about it other than it being more annoying to enter. Now, if the whole thing STILL ties everything from your store account to the console with no way of ever getting it back without having to buy it again if your console breaks that'd be retarded.

[Gman5852]

If it's really just one for the whole console and its games (unlike the Wii which was one for the console PLUSE one for each game -__-) I don't see what's so bad about it other than it being more annoying to enter. Now, if the whole thing STILL ties everything from your store account to the console with no way of ever getting it back without having to buy it again if your console breaks that'd be retarded.

Well if you can transfer dsiware files, I think we should have a new store link.

[Secret Fawful]

I don't want a 3DS. At least not for quite a while. Know why? Because I have enough games to last me a lifetime, and while I would love to play the new Kid Icarus and Paper Mario, I can wait. It's not like it's going anywhere.

[JedExodus]

I'm too excited at the prospect of 3D gaming, I may just need to have one come launch day. I slammed a tenner deposit down to keep one on hold.

I really hope the 3D isn't really shit or the games implement it with shit design/no design philosophy

[Friar]

Wait... £250 in the UK (judging by all the prices on the sites now). Wtf? Thats the same price as a PS3! Definately not buying one for a long time, if thats true. Especially given the low battery life and the lack of decent original games. Call me back in a few years nintendo. We can have a nice reunion.

[Gman5852]

Ok now which game should I get.

I have enough money for either one or two depending on if I get Pokemon Black or White.
So which games would you guys get?
Im thinking street fighter.

[DrRocketGenius]

I'm getting Nintendogs, Pilotwings and Street Fighter. Never played a Street Fighter before so it should be fun.

These features will not be available at launch.

- web browser to be made available at a later date
- eShop downloads to come at a later date
- DSiWare transfers
- play/access 3-D movies

The lack of eShop makes me sad, but I can deal with the rest.

[Gman5852]

The lack of eShop makes me sad, but I can deal with the rest.

I am upset about the 3dshop too.

But I also dislike that the update for file transfers isnt at launch as well.
I have a lot of dsiware games to transfer, and would love to do that when I got the 3ds.

[RetroVortex]

I may get the 3DS when it comes out.
(It'll cost me about 200 quid as I get a store discount (I work at Tescos, and they'll probably have it))

But damn it is expensive over here!

I'll probably get DOA and SSF4 if they are in the UK launch.
Could get Super Monkey Ball to mess with my mind as well...

Launch line-up is a little lacking in the Nintendo department though.

[DrRocketGenius]

Launch line-up is a little lacking in the Nintendo department though.

Yes, that it is unfortunately.

[Gman5852]

American sight is up.
http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/hardware
I swear kid beyond is doing the video tour.

[SHODANFreeman]

I really hope the 3D isn't really shit or the games implement it with shit design/no design philosophy

3D has been around for decades and every implementation of it has always been awful and hideous looking. I can't imagine that Nintendo would be the ones to somehow magically get it right.