So, anyone else surprised that TTG got beaten to the punch here?

[alexonfyre]

I don't know if any of you guys have played Blue Toad Mystery Files, but it is a funny, episodic puzzle based game with cartoonish characters that even look like they are from the TTEngine. Playing it, I am surprised it isn't by them, since it seems so much to me like the type of puzzle game TTG would make if they made one (much more so than Puzzle Agent.)
I liked Puzzle Agent quite a lot, but I think that anyone who likes TTG and also puzzle games needs to play Blue Toad, though it is PS3 exclusive.

Is anyone else surprised that TTG didn't do it first?

[jweir]

I'll never see that game as long as it's PS3 exclusive as I refuse to buy a PS3. Sony has their hands right in their customer's wallets and doesn't let go. The console is more than other consoles, the games are more than other games, and considering the economy, I'm surprised they can stay in business. Alas, I'm digressing, no I haven't and probably never will play this game.

[SHODANFreeman]

Sony has their hands right in their customer's wallets and doesn't let go. The console is more than other consoles, the games are more than other games, and considering the economy, I'm surprised they can stay in business. Alas, I'm digressing, no I haven't and probably never will play this game.

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?

But on topic: The game does look somewhat interesting, and I may try it at some point. :p

[Steve2911]

I'll never see that game as long as it's PS3 exclusive as I refuse to buy a PS3. Sony has their hands right in their customer's wallets and doesn't let go. The console is more than other consoles, the games are more than other games, and considering the economy, I'm surprised they can stay in business. Alas, I'm digressing, no I haven't and probably never will play this game.
Try saying that to Microsoft. They charge an insane amount for their online functionality, force you to buy ridiculously expensive specialised HDD drives and their point system causes you to spend more than you intended to, especially with the pricing of a lot of products (there's a ton of games that cost 1200 points, meaning you have to buy 1000 points, then 500 points seperately, costing more. There's almost nothing going for a simple 1000 or 500). Then you have the insane cost of Kinect, which they're marketting as a near essential item, despite its apparent uselessness, nonfunctionality and lack of decent games to go with it (also overpriced).

Furthermore, to cancel a subscription to XBOX Live, when you realise how pointless and expensive the service actually is (I get more use out of my free PSN account anyway), you have to use a telephone service (there's an option on the website to cancel, but it's greyed out in Europe), which is extremely poor quality (near impossible to hear what's being said on the other line), puts you on hold for 20 minutes or more (way more for me) and asks you questions with no prior indication of this knowledge being required (such as the secret question for your original Microsoft Live account, or the card number used to pay), causing you to have to start all over if you don't have this information ready, all to put you off from cancelling your subscription, keeping their pockets lined.

On top of that, the PS3 is only slightly more expensive itself (and is FAR better value for money), and that's only recently, and depends on the model opted for.

...So yeah, if you think Sony's ripping off it's customers, that's nothing compared to Microsoft.

EDIT: Blast! Ninja'd on almost every point! :D

[Friar]

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?

But on topic: The game does look somewhat interesting, and I may try it at some point. :p
Don't forget the Blu-ray player!

[Steve2911]

Oh hell yeah, where would I be without my essentially free Blu Ray player? Absolutely amazing.

[alexonfyre]

Wow guys. This thread went from 0-hellish XB vs PS3 debate. I love all of my systems equally, for different reasons, but I will say that Xbox doesn't offer nearly the value in XBL that it used to, and I am much happy with the offerings from PS+ than I am with them. The point system is retarded and you have to buy more crap all the time in order to get the most out of it.
Anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to justify their own investment in another system by unfairly chastising the other systems for pseudo-problems (The PS3 is too expensive! The Wii is too childish! The Xbox has nothing you can't find better on other systems!)
I bought all of mine for exactly 300 bucks, and used them all more at one point than the others.

This is so not on topic any more it is ridiculous.

[xbskid]

Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.

I'd also like to point out that the batteries in the PS3 controllers are, in fact, user serviceable. There are step-by-step instructions in the manual on disassembling the controller and replacing the battery.


More relevant: Even though I own a PS3, I, like jweir, will probably not see BTMF because I'm not quite all for digital distribution. I don't like not having physical assets, or the ability to resell the games. It almost sounds interesting.

[alexonfyre]

I'd also like to point out that the batteries in the PS3 controllers are, in fact, user serviceable. There are step-by-step instructions in the manual on disassembling the controller and replacing the battery.


More relevant: Even though I own a PS3, I, like jweir, will probably not see BTMF because I'm not quite all for digital distribution. I don't like not having physical assets, or the ability to resell the games. It almost sounds interesting.

On PSN you can share the code with up to 6 PS3s, so...technically speaking you can sell it 5 times and never lose the game. Borderline illegal though, the EULA seems to say not to do that.

[xbskid]

On PSN you can share the code with up to 6 PS3s, so...technically speaking you can sell it 5 times and never lose the game. Borderline illegal though, the EULA seems to say not to do that.

..Share what code? On PSN, there are no serial numbers or anything to speak of. I know what you're saying; I can have my purchased assets active on up to five (Not six, unless they changed that recently) different PS3s, which means I have to give my account credentials to someone else, unless I'm physically present to sign in and initiate the download(s). After that point, it's akin to Steam's Offline Mode (Minus the must-log-in-to-refresh-the-account-after-a-month business) where the other people don't need to sign in as me to play; they just need a local account with my PSN account associated with it on their PS3s. And yes, that's against the license agreement. But if I don't want it anymore, I can't generate a "gift code" to give to someone to transfer the game. I'd have to sell my account (Which is also against the license agreement).

[Elvenmonk]

I would say Professor Layton beat both of them to the punch.

Also you can swap your PS3 HDD out for any laptop HDD. Instead of paying $120 for 60 GB I paid $65 for a 7200 RPM 320 GB HDD for my PS3. I'll answer the question that always follows. Yes I need that much. I'm nearing 120 to 110 GB of space left right now.

[Pcox]

lol, consoles.

[nOmArch]

lol, consoles.

Pcox wins the thread!!

[Rather Dashing]

lol, consoles.
lol consoles indeed. I've grown to despise my consoles more and more as of late, and I'm really not sure if the "next gen" will be able to produce anything that can sway me otherwise. The only thing that coudl get me back into console gaming at this point would be, for example, Ubisoft-style DRM on everything on the PC platform. Even then, though, I'm very much into independent gaming on the PC platform, and that segment very rarely does anything draconian DRM-wise...partially because they can't afford to. =P

[alexonfyre]

Oh my god, I was letting this game run for a while, and there is a running gag of it telling you in various fashions to press "x" to continue. Well, one of the gags was "Look! A three-headed monkey! Oh, you missed it, now press x to continue"

No doubt about it, these guys are playing these games and are probably among us right now!

[Fochivoma]

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?

But on topic: The game does look somewhat interesting, and I may try it at some point. :p

Okay the Sony people win for you. This thread is about Puzzle Agent. Your point is?

[SHODANFreeman]

Okay the Sony people win for you. This thread is about Puzzle Agent. Your point is?

Actually this thread is only marginally related to Puzzle Agent, and is primarily about Blue Toad Murder Files, which at the end of my post I said looked interesting and that I may try it out. Furthermore, I was replying to a post within the thread wherein an individual was attempting to sling mud at Sony for seemingly no reason with pretty much unfounded claims, so I felt the need to reply to these claims.

Also, it's pretty hypocritical to call someone out for being "off-topic" while posting something that is even further off-topic.

On-topic: I looked on the PSN store and was saddened by the fact that there isn't a demo, nor the ability to buy anything but episode 1, or the first 3 in a bundle, or all 6 in a bundle. I wish they at least had the "buy 1 episode, then upgrade to full series later" option.

[xbskid]

I looked on the PSN store and was saddened by the fact that there isn't a demo, nor the ability to buy anything but episode 1, or the first 3 in a bundle, or all 6 in a bundle. I wish they at least had the "buy 1 episode, then upgrade to full series later" option.

Unfortunately, Sony is not Telltale; they are a giant corporation and they do not care enough to take suggestions. They just want your money. Of course, Telltale wants our money, too, it's just that they seem to deserve mine more than Sony. :)

[SHODANFreeman]

Unfortunately, Sony is not Telltale; they are a giant corporation and they do not care enough to take suggestions. They just want your money. Of course, Telltale wants our money, too, it's just that they seem to deserve mine more than Sony. :)

Relentless Software made BTMF, not Sony.

[Ribs]

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?

But on topic: The game does look somewhat interesting, and I may try it at some point. :p

BTW, Half of these points are inaccurate now.

[xbskid]

Relentless Software made BTMF, not Sony.

It doesn't matter who made what; I'd still have to give my money to Sony to play BTMF.

[The Highway]

just reading through, thread derailed by the second post! whooh!

[Elvenmonk]

Actually this thread is only marginally related to Puzzle Agent, and is primarily about Blue Toad Murder Files, which at the end of my post I said looked interesting and that I may try it out. Furthermore, I was replying to a post within the thread wherein an individual was attempting to sling mud at Sony for seemingly no reason with pretty much unfounded claims, so I felt the need to reply to these claims.



They just got done selling Blue toad for 1.29

Also if you buy the first episode it unlocks the ability to full upgrade.

BTW, Half of these points are inaccurate now.


How so? Other then the new midget having built in wifi all of those seem spot on. Controllers still need AA's. There's still random points. There's still a required fee of $50 annually to take your Xbox online. Arcade still has no HDD and PS3 allows you to still use laptop HDD's at will.

[SHODANFreeman]

They just got done selling Blue toad for 1.29

Also if you buy the first episode it unlocks the ability to full upgrade

Really? That's cool then, I might buy the first episode later tonight. :D

[Elvenmonk]

yeah I picked it up when it was a 1.29 then saw there's an upgrade for the full season after I purchased it.

[Ribs]

How so? Other then the new midget having built in wifi all of those seem spot on. Controllers still need AA's. There's still random points. There's still a required fee of $50 annually to take your Xbox online. Arcade still has no HDD and PS3 allows you to still use laptop HDD's at will.

Wrong!
Random Points have now been set to intervals similar to that of the cards (400, 800, 1600, 4000)

Arcade is no longer being made and has been replaced by a 4GB HDD.

[SHODANFreeman]

Wrong!
Random Points have now been set to intervals similar to that of the cards (400, 800, 1600, 4000)

And things still sell for 60, 160, 560, etc. making it easily possible to have wasted points.

[Ribs]

And things still sell for 60, 160, 560, etc. making it easily possible to have wasted points.

This makes no sense. If someone were smart like me, they'd buy exactly what they need and know what to spend the rest on. My only regret is a 30 Point gamerpic which keeps me at 50 points which can't afford anything.

[SHODANFreeman]

This makes no sense. If someone were smart like me, they'd buy exactly what they need and know what to spend the rest on. My only regret is a 30 Point gamerpic which keeps me at 50 points which can't afford anything.

That's stupid though. You shouldn't be REQUIRED to spend money in blocks of $5 and only $5. It's horrible, and you know it.

[Elvenmonk]

So as you see point still stands.

[supmandude85]

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?



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[ShotgunStalker]

lol, consoles.

this guy wins the internet.










And an xbox 360

[Chiverus]

just to let you know i have the first 3 chapters of BTMF and its really not worth the $15 i spent on it. The puzzles are way to easy, half way through the chapter it dosnt take a astrophysist to guess who did it and still you cant just guess at that point you have to go through the rest of the chapter just to get on with it. also the humor was quite dry besides the anouncer at the end of the puzzles occationaly saying good for you, you dont suck at this.
On the flip side Puzzle agent was fantastic most of the puzzles where a challenge the gnomes are freaky and the story was twisty in a good way. well worth it and BTMF cant hold a flame or even an unlit match to puzzle agent.
the only thing that BTMF does have is a competive multiplayer but thats just forceing multipul people to go through the same puzzles with the same answers again just with some one else beside them. so pretty much a usless multiplayer option.

[Elvenmonk]

BTMF really wasn't that good. I got around to playing it finally. Not really enjoying it. I'd be upset if I didn't pay $1.29 for it.

[Friar]

BTW, Half of these points are inaccurate now.
I count one, being the wireless dongle for the 360. Internet is still free on the PS3, at the same standard it's always been, but you can pay for an extra special service. Standard class is still there, but they added a few 1st class seats. But it doesn't really matter. It's the game that counts right?

Anyway, i keep meaning to try out the BTMMF. I'm currently trying to coax my mum into buying them, claiming it's "just like Prof. Layton!"

[Elvenmonk]

I count one, being the wireless dongle for the 360. Internet is still free on the PS3, at the same standard it's always been, but you can pay for an extra special service. Standard class is still there, but they added a few 1st class seats. But it doesn't really matter. It's the game that counts right?

Anyway, i keep meaning to try out the BTMMF. I'm currently trying to coax my mum into buying them, claiming it's "just like Prof. Layton!"

Game's voiced by one guy, if that bugs you. Puzzles are alright. I bought it for $1.29 and I'm not so happy about it.

[Silent]

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.
I don't use internet.

Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.
I don't play online. Or, in some hypotethical universe where I want to play online, I'd do so using my personal computer.

Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.
I don't buy any "points", since I don't use internet.

Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.
I have endless AA batteries.

Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.
I have the XBox360 Arcade, and it does have a hard drive. Granted, a very small one, only 120 MB, and once the Xbox360 goes ka-boom, I'll lose all my data, but it's a hard drive nevertheless.

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.
But, since the PS3 cost more than the Xbox360, I tend to prefer the Xbox360 instead.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

$250 for console+$50 extra controller=$300 alltogether. Granted, I don't remember how long I had my xbox360.

Now, I'm not saying the Xbox360 is better than the PS3. That's insane. However, the Xbox360 does fit my gameplay needs, and thus is more suitable to me.

How are Sony the ones that have their hand on your wallet?
Television. Enough said.

But on topic: The game does look somewhat interesting, and I may try it at some point. :p
I hope you have a very wonderful experience. I'm trying to take a look at the trailer, but meh. I've been disillusioned with episoidic content after seeing SBCGFAP and its long release dates, so I'll prefer Telltale's Pilot Game. Then again, we're dealing with a different company, who might have more stable release times...

EDIT: Though...prehaps in retrospect, I would have likely bought the PS3 instead of the Xbox360, just for the free Blu-Ray, but the die was cast. Sorry, SHODAN.

[Elvenmonk]

The arcade didn't have a HDD (last I remember) it came with flash memory, and such a small ammount it couldn't run many major selling Xbox(360) games.

[ixis]

*sigh*
To preface I don't have a console preference, I own all of them and, like any real gamer, only love my PC! :P

j/k, I like em' all, but my 360, PSP and PC have gotten the most use the past couple of years. Anyway...

Xbox 360 requires you to buy an $80 dongle to get wifi access, PS3 has it built in.

Valid point, but the 360 I have came with 50' of ethernet cable, more than enough considering the vast majority of people will have a landline near their TV since most Americans get their net through the cable; right next to the TV... the thing you play the vidja games on. :/

Xbox 360 requires you to pay $50 annually to play online, PS3 has free online play.

First of all, yes there's a monthly fee, but that's because XBL has relatively good servers. I've never seen it down and experience practically nonexistent lag (I got lag one time playing SSFIV I think. Either that or the person rage-quit, I don't know which.)

Also it's important to point out that the Gold account allows you to use Facebook, Netflix and other crap I really don't care about. You can still get online, but no co-op. Which sounds like crap until you realize the next point.

Microsoft hands out months of gold like freaking candy. Seriously, when I first opened my Xbox I got half a year of gold time, then another 3 months when I got Halo, more when I bought GTAIV, and another 3 months once when I had my Xbox serviced (cost me nothing and turnaround was a week and a half.) Oh, and I got another month free when I got Rockband, sometimes they give out months for free based on specials and Gold is usually cheaper around the dead periods when there aren't games that hand out months of playtime for free. I've spent a total of $30 (3 months) of gold account time, and I've owned my 360 since 08. :/

So yeah, every once in a while you'll pay $10 to have good servers with good admins that aren't laggy. And while PSN is alright it's nowhere near as stable as XBL.

Xbox 360 forces you to buy random amounts of "points" in odd amounts so that if you buy anything that doesn't cost exact increments of 400 points, you end up having points sit around unspent forever, PS3 uses exact currency amounts, added as you need it.

This has changed. It used to be that you'd have 20 to 60 points left over per song for Rockband if you paid online... Unless you just went to the store and bought the 120pt card. Oh yeah, and you can buy XBL points everywhere. Seriously, they're in Walgreens and gas stations all over where I live.

Xbox 360 wireless controllers require you to buy a battery pack and charger/charge cable or endless AA batteries to use them, PS3 controllers come with built in rechargeable batteries that can be charged with any USB mini cable.

I don't know what you're talking about, but my 360 came with a wireless controller with the USB wire to charge it. When I went to the store to buy another one it came with a AA pack. I was upset for all of a day before I went to the store and bought a wireless charge pack for 8 bucks. The same cost as 8 AA batteries.

Whoop-dee-doo

Xbox 360 arcade had absolutely no hard drive, requiring you to either buy an overpriced and microscopic memory card, or an overpriced hard drive in order to even save or patch a game, and only very recently allowed flash drive support, every PS3 SKU has come with a hard drive, all PS3s have had flash drive support and several have also come with memory card slots in addition to their hard drives.

I could always use a flash drive with my 360 so this is another WTH...? I don't like how it creates a partition on my flash drive to store data but, whatever. Oh, and yeah the Arcade's the cheapo $150 console. The next up (with HD space) is $250. What's the cheapest PS3 model I can get now... Oh, it's $300. Well darn :/

Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost exactly the same price on launch, so I don't really know what to make of that comment, unless you're referring to Wii games, which are inherently cheaper to make than 360 and PS3 games due to the lower quality graphics on the Wii meaning less production time in most cases.

This is truth.

In 4 years of owning a 360, it cost me over $700, in roughly the same amount of time, my PS3 has only cost me $300 for more features.

Honestly, I think you maybe didn't realize all the options available for both systems. The only mitigating factor is the price for Gold but, honestly I feel like I'm paying for a quality service (when I actually do pay) unlike PSN which lags or crashes all the time on me. And PS Home is crap.

Now, I DO like how the PSN has a lot of classic PSX games, and how it integrates with my PSP, and that its library is actually starting to get good since it's been mostly crap the past couple of years. Really, it all comes down to taste.

Unless you have a good PC in which case, as we all know, PCs are the superior gaming console (seriously, this is a forum for people who play adventure games that were until SB PC exclusive! Why are we even having this discussion?!) :o

[SHODANFreeman]

I have had a 360 since launch, almost 5 years ago, and all of those points were or still are valid. Just because your 360 happened to come with some things doesn't mean they all did.

Also, I have experienced hardcore lag on Xbox Live numerous times before, whereas I've had almost no lag whatsoever on PSN, so I really don't see how Xbox Live is "superior".

[ShotgunStalker]

I have had a 360 since launch, almost 5 years ago, and all of those points were or still are valid. Just because your 360 happened to come with some things doesn't mean they all did.

Also, I have experienced hardcore lag on Xbox Live numerous times before, whereas I've had almost no lag whatsoever on PSN, so I really don't see how Xbox Live is "superior".

Hehe. For some reason i want to post random pictures hating both PS3 and 360 (i favor 360 btw.Superior marketplace!But PS3 IS free)

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[SHODANFreeman]

Superior marketplace!

Just curious, but in what way is it superior? I've used both and easily favor PSN Store simply because they don't use a ridiculous currency system.

[akaimizu]

For one, (ignoring the 360s much larger and better selection of content) the organization to finding any said piece of software has been better. On my PS3, it typically took much longer to sift through the product line than all the organization options I have on my Xbox 360. Nowadays, they've made improvements to that, but I think they buried the easier-to-access organization methods in Live behind other menus.

If you get and download any software on the 360, it downloads quickly and the moment it downloads, you can run it right away. On the PS3, you spend just as much if not longer to download the software (for the same file size). (And it's always taken longer on my PS3 for the same file size) but you aren't done. Afterwards, you got to click the item and wait for it to install everything and then you can play it.

For me, I do fine both systems are ok. But the online experience is not even a contest. With 360, everything is integrated to a continuous online experience. On the PS3, the online experience is separated by app. It's like you have one type of online connectivity while you're on the PS3 dashboard, which is separate from any one single app, which has it's own connectivity, which is unlike another app. It's like a frankenstein patch job of connect protocols that surprisingly isn't a total trainwreck.

Then I've had my share of issues from downloads that fail partially while downloading on the PS3, though it's been getting better lately. It's painful given how long these downloads seem to take.

The Voice Chat experience is also horrible on the PS3. I swear, I've had more issues with just the regular chat with one person, than to chat with the same person in Party Chat (plus a few others) on XBL. And this test is for the same two people, both with both systems, from the same houses, using the same Wi-fi communication to communicate.

Many of these can be fixed with patches and system updates (the ones that supposedly add or improve features instead of concentrating on how to remove features). Though I still think PSN should really think on how to redesign their network to allow better simultaneous streams, which currently cripples their capabilities compare to the competition.

Best part, though. All the important online features for PS3 is free. And if SONY truly steps up their game with Good and useful system updates, they could potentially trip Live up right at the right time. Bad part is nobody ever seems to buy a mic for the system and expect you to reach for a keyboard while you're playing a high speed competitive tactical action game that uses 2 hands constantly. Even PC users wouldn't restrict themselves to that.

[Elvenmonk]

The reason Sony downloads take longer and you need to install them is because of their encryption. They don't want anyone to easily be able to hack PSN games (like you can with the XBL) so they encrypt them to make it harder for people.

And PS3's market place is very easy to use.
Also, I see no point in complaining about XBL VS PSN's connection. This is because both are basically servers that point you to other servers that do nothing but put up local matches. Yes, I've had lag with PSN. I've also had lag with XBL because both put on local hosted. Like SFIV. When you connect, you're connecting to the SF4 connection server then when you're in a fight it's just a local hosted match. You or the other person are hosting and there's no severs. Same goes for when I play BlazBlue. Some games do have actual servers, and then it depends on the server load. Like I've seen some Laggy MAG matches and some no lag what so ever. For XBL, other then Phantasy Star or other MMO's I don't know what uses servers. I think Halo did, and I remember some very laggy Halo matches and some non-laggy ones.

But the point is, with XBL you're paying to have local hosted matches. Yes you do get better connection (in Amurica and some European countries) this is because more people use the Xbox thant he PS3. So you're more then likely to be matched with someone, to a party, with people near you. If the PS3 had just as many users you'd see the same exact ratio of bad connections to good ones. Like my brother in law's Xbox always lagged with his games. I'd go and play the same games on my PS3 and get no lag, he'd ask why and I explained this to him. It all depends on who's playing in your area at the time, basically.

Also as someone who uses the voice chat often I've never had a problem. I'd had some people with shitty mics try to speak, and it sounds bad, or people ruin it with the voice equilizer, but nothing bad. My mic sounds great going through and it's a $20 PS2 mic. I've had conversations with rooms full of people during BB matches, and Resistance. Along with Fat Princess and Lord of the Rings Conquest. Then again, I've had bad mic times with all those games aswell. XBL has the advantage of having a standard for mics. So, everyone has to have the same mic so everyone sounds the same (and Mircrosoft makes more money). Sony lets you choose your mic. Some people cheap out and get what they pay for, some don't. Like my friend just uses his Beatles RB mic to talk online to me with PC games and PS3. Sounds amazing due to it.

[akaimizu]

Thus why I compared the connection quality to the same exact people. I wasn't using a test against different users. Just ones that are on my friends list for both PS3 and Xbox360, with both units in the same houses, using the same connections.

[SHODANFreeman]

I've honestly never had trouble with my PSN connection, in the many hours of Resistance 1 and 2 I've played online, nor the voice chat when I played Resident Evil 5 co-op online with several different friends in several different states. I have literally never had an experience where I've lagged to the point of it being unplayable on PS3. I have, however, had HUNDREDS of matches of both Halo 2 and 3 that were quite literally unplayable due to the sheer lag. (Kind of hard to shoot people when they're lagporting around every other second :p)

[Elvenmonk]

Weird, could be a system screw up or something, I know some PS3's didn't have good wireless cards. Also, when you run so manythings going on the internet at once some get more bandwith than the others, so it causes lag. Like my brother and I whenplaying TF2 or L4D on PC. I get a better ping them him always. I'll be at like 23 he'll be at like 79. He's just a room away from me and the broadband point is in his room, not mine. And no, I don't run my internet through the cable plug-ins as most don't either, actually. I use digital cable so it has to run through a modem now, as do a lot of people with the internet. (this is to debate who said internet port next to TV) I barely see anyone still use old cable or DSL systems.

[SHODANFreeman]

And no, I don't run my internet through the cable plug-ins as most don't either, actually. I use digital cable so it has to run through a modem now, as do a lot of people with the internet. (this is to debate who said internet port next to TV) I barely see anyone still use old cable or DSL systems.

Not to mention most people don't have their desktop PC in the same room as their TV, and would rather put the modem/router near their PC rather than buy and install a wireless card.

[Elvenmonk]

That too. How my brother is. Modem's in his room so I need to go wireless.

[ixis]

The reason XBL is better than PSN from a technical objective standpoint is because MS runs their own servers, whereas the PSN is really an amalgamation of crappy servers that either Sony charges companies to use or third party servers (http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/11/12/modern-warfare-2-should-activision-axe-demonware/) provided by the companies that are either good or crap depending on the company (and if Infinity Ward is having trouble with third-party servers than it really is an issue.) Not to mention PSN servers are constantly going down to issues and for updates, whereas XBL went down once to add those 3d avatars.

[Elvenmonk]

The PSN logon service goes down for major overhauls to fix servers. And? The fact they fix servers is good. If a server is buggy MS turns it off. Also, there's no difference in the PSN and XBL servers. If a game uses a 3rd party server on PS3 it uses one on Xbox. Only MS or Sony made games get their servers often. And Sony's official game servers I've never had a problem with.

[SHODANFreeman]

Good news everyone! As of November, Xbox Live Gold now costs $59.99 a year! Yeah! Go Microsoft!

[Elvenmonk]

Also the new Xbox controllers with a better D-Pad and rechargable batteries! WITH AN INCREASED COST!

[AlmostApollo]

Eh, I don't mind having to buy points cards when there's actually good stuff to buy.

Also: name one thing the 360 has that the PS3 doesn't? Exclusives.

I mean, gripe about the consoles themselves all you want. Sony and Microsoft are both evil and both want your money. Live is more secure and I feel is worth the money, PSN has the PSN+ thing. But when I choose my console, I look at games that only that game console has and the 360 wins in that respect (for me at least).

Trials HD, Alan Wake, Crackdown 1&2, Dead Rising, Dead Rising 2: Case Zero (which I just got done with and was great), Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Fable II (soon Fable III), the GTA Expansions until TFLC came out, Gears of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Geometry Wars.

All those are exclusives off the top of my head and I feel that they're in greater number and better quality overall than PS3 exclusives. Not having a PS3, I have never regretted it. Games like Mass Effect, though, if I was unable to play them, I would be upset and buy a 360, personally.

[AlmostApollo]

Also, when I get a 360 game I don't have to sit through a fifteen minute install process. Which prevents my impatience from breaking consoles.

[SHODANFreeman]

Also: name one thing the 360 has that the PS3 doesn't? Exclusives.

Trials HD, Alan Wake, Crackdown 1&2, Dead Rising, Dead Rising 2: Case Zero (which I just got done with and was great), Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Fable II (soon Fable III), the GTA Expansions until TFLC came out, Gears of War, Halo, Left 4 Dead 1 & 2, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Geometry Wars.

Resistance 1, 2 and 3, Killzone 2 and 3, Uncharted 1 and 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War III, Heavenly Sword, 3 Ratchet and Clank games, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1 and 2, SOCOM 4, Gran Turismo 5, MAG, LittleBigPlanet 1 and 2, Echochrome 1 and 2, Demon's Souls...

Not to mention that more than half of the games you listed have PC versions also whereas almost none of the games I listed have any other version whatsoever, excluding a couple that have PSP versions.

Saying PS3 doesn't have any exclusives worth playing compared to 360 is an outright lie.

[AlmostApollo]

If I wanted to play games on a PC, I would get a PC, not a console. I'm talking exclusively to console here. And out of those exclusives you mentioned, the only ones that stand out to me are Uncharted and MGS. I've played all the others at my brother's house and they weren't worth paying for the system. I'm not saying the PS3 isn't a fine system, I'm not saying it doesn't have any exclusives, I'm just saying that I think the 360 has more exclusives and generally higher-quality exclusives than the PS3. And besides, if we were judging these systems by exclusives, then we'd have to consider the Wii as the best of the gen by far.

Also, I have one question. What's the difference in buying 1600 Microsoft points ($20) at a store and a $20 PSN card at a store? In order to use them all, you have to use the exact amounts. Basically what I'm saying is that for a customer without a credit card, PSN money works exactly like Microsoft Points.

[nodoctors]

Also, I have one question. What's the difference in buying 1600 Microsoft points ($20) at a store and a $20 PSN card at a store? In order to use them all, you have to use the exact amounts. Basically what I'm saying is that for a customer without a credit card, PSN money works exactly like Microsoft Points.

I don't think that was the argument. At least the option is there for PSN users to buy the precise amount they want. I only have a 360 and PC(sold the Wii recently thank god), so when there's a 560 point DLC that I want, I have to buy a stupid 800 point card no matter what. Then you have leftover cash you didn't want to spend that's stuck in disney dollar form that you can either hold onto for a while or waste on completely stupid crap like avatar clothing.

This thread also reminded me I need to stock up on two year long subscription cards because of the damn price increase.

Now if I actually had a PS3 I'm sure I'd have plenty to complain about there as well, but at the end of the day it seems to always come down to the fact that PSN does work, and it's completely free. And that's appealing to a consumer like me, because whenever I think about this, it's like having 6+ extra arcade games to play for a year...but no, it has to go towards just being able to play online. And it's still peer 2 peer gaming online, no servers. So paying a fee just to support the content servers while not getting any actual GAME servers is not sexy my friends. Not sexy at all.

[Elvenmonk]

Resistance 1, 2 and 3, Killzone 2 and 3, Uncharted 1 and 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War III, Heavenly Sword, 3 Ratchet and Clank games, Heavy Rain, Infamous 1 and 2, SOCOM 4, Gran Turismo 5, MAG, LittleBigPlanet 1 and 2, Echochrome 1 and 2, Demon's Souls...

Not to mention that more than half of the games you listed have PC versions also whereas almost none of the games I listed have any other version whatsoever, excluding a couple that have PSP versions.

Saying PS3 doesn't have any exclusives worth playing compared to 360 is an outright lie.

Plus Atlus announced Persona 5 will be PS3 only.

[AlmostApollo]

I dunno. Basically what I'm saying about the PSN is that for one thing, when you buy a 19.99 PSN card (a physical card), you can get 19.99 worth of stuff. If, however, you want to buy two 9.99 games or a 9.99 game and a 4.99 game, then you have .01 left over. So unless you buy a 19.99 item, EVERY time someone buys a 19.99 card, Sony gets that extra penny that won't be spent. I bet if you totalled that up, that number would come pretty close to the amount of Microsoft banana dollars that are just rotting somewhere. Probably not as much, but pretty close. It seems a much stealthier way of being evil, but still being evil, nonetheless.

Unless of course I'm wrong about the PSN pricing scheme. In that case, whoops. :P

[SHODANFreeman]

I dunno. Basically what I'm saying about the PSN is that for one thing, when you buy a 19.99 PSN card (a physical card), you can get 19.99 worth of stuff. If, however, you want to buy two 9.99 games or a 9.99 game and a 4.99 game, then you have .01 left over. So unless you buy a 19.99 item, EVERY time someone buys a 19.99 card, Sony gets that extra penny that won't be spent. I bet if you totalled that up, that number would come pretty close to the amount of Microsoft banana dollars that are just rotting somewhere. Probably not as much, but pretty close. It seems a much stealthier way of being evil, but still being evil, nonetheless.

Unless of course I'm wrong about the PSN pricing scheme. In that case, whoops. :P

If you use a credit card on PSN, it deducts exactly the amount you need for whatever you're purchasing, whereas you are REQUIRED to buy in pre-determined chunks on XBL.

[samandmaxfan]

I'll never see that game as long as it's PS3 exclusive as I refuse to buy a PS3. Sony has their hands right in their customer's wallets and doesn't let go. The console is more than other consoles, the games are more than other games, and considering the economy, I'm surprised they can stay in business. Alas, I'm digressing, no I haven't and probably never will play this game.

I agree, xbox 360 rules! I really hate it when the PS3 gets exclusive content because I love my games and I want to enjoy everything a game offers, but when the PS3 gets a whole new extra story(e.g. Mafia 2), it makes me annoyed.:mad: But who cares let them have their bonus content, they think that making exclusive content for games that are also released on the xbox and PC will get them more sells, but it doesn't work!

[LukeJRitchie]

I was not very impressed by Blue toad...whereas playing telltale games on the ps3 is great. Very nice HD for Sam and Max (don't think I noticed much of a difference on Monkey island - still to try the remakes) :)

I don't know if puzzle agent should ever make a similar sort of transfer though...

[Elvenmonk]

I agree, xbox 360 rules! I really hate it when the PS3 gets exclusive content because I love my games and I want to enjoy everything a game offers, but when the PS3 gets a whole new extra story(e.g. Mafia 2), it makes me annoyed.:mad: But who cares let them have their bonus content, they think that making exclusive content for games that are also released on the xbox and PC will get them more sells, but it doesn't work!

Actually it does. And a reason behind is because if they did that on the 360 MS would force them to charge for the DLC or charge them out the ass to make it free. That's why TF2 isn't allowed to be updated on the 360.
So it's win win for developers and Sony. Boost sales for the PS3 version and the game gets more sales since there's free content to come along with it.