Back to the Future Platform Discussion [Archive]

jp-30

10/06/2010, 12:06 am

The first announcement that was on AP (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/great-scott-back-to-the-future-jurassic-park-to-become-episodic-video-games/1401645) said

Telltale Games is going back in time for a new series of video games.

The developer is creating episodic titles based on the "Back to the Future" and "Jurassic Park" franchises. The popular Universal Studios film trilogies spawned several games in their heyday in the '80s and '90s but have been absent from the interactive realm. The as-yet-untitled Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Wii, PC and Mac games are set to be released this winter.

Alan Johnson

10/06/2010, 06:04 am

We haven't made any official announcements about platforms for Back to the Future or Jurassic Park yet. Any statement made about platforms for those games are purely speculation.

Trenchfoot

10/06/2010, 06:18 am

I hope that they don't put neither of them on Wii, because that would mean lower quality graphics and music. I don't want another masterpiece of score (ToMI) ruined by the synths.

RAnthonyMahan

10/06/2010, 06:35 am

We haven't made any official announcements about platforms for Back to the Future or Jurassic Park yet. Any statement made about platforms for those games are purely speculation.

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up, Alan. I guess I misread the press release.

I'll just say that it would be really cool if Telltale put a game on every system, then. ;)

jp-30

10/07/2010, 11:44 am

I hope that they don't put neither of them on Wii, because that would mean lower quality graphics and music. I don't want another masterpiece of score (ToMI) ruined by the synths.

You're confusing 'Wii' with 'Wiiware'. The Wii can run games fine, bit their download service Wiiware has size restrictions which meant ToMI was compressed and had different audio.

Trenchfoot

10/07/2010, 01:25 pm

You're confusing 'Wii' with 'Wiiware'. The Wii can run games fine, bit their download service Wiiware has size restrictions which meant ToMI was compressed and had different audio.

Ah, I see! Sorry for the confusion then :)

RAnthonyMahan

10/07/2010, 01:49 pm

The thing is, the Wii works so differently from its counterparts that if they want to release BttF on the Wii and have it done right, they'd need to develop it with the Wii in mind. With SBCG4AP, Telltale knew they were making a game that'd be on the Wii, and took that into account while working on it, and so the WiiWare version of Strong Bad is just as good as the PC version. While with the ports of the first two Sam and Max seasons and Tales of Monkey Island...not so much.

I don't think there's been a game yet where the Wii version is every bit as good as its PS3/360 counterparts. (I heard the Wii version of Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions is the same aside from a graphical downgrade, but I've never played it.) To be fair, point-and-click adventures aren't as graphics-and-gameplay-intensive as an action game, but that doesn't mean there can't be problems.

Toneiiblue

10/09/2010, 07:07 pm

Please release it for iPhone and iPad. I have the former and while I'd play it through for the first time on PC, it would be great to have a portable version on my phone. And on iPad, it would be brilliant.

jp-30

10/10/2010, 12:15 am

I don't think there's been a game yet where the Wii version is every bit as good as its PS3/360 counterparts.

Beatles Rock Band.

Crispy Onion

10/10/2010, 11:17 am

As much as I want both BttF and JP for Wii, I can't shake off the feeling that any developer has dropped the ball on the console lately.
Telltale has at least the guts to face the challenge tackling the systems limitations, but who knows how high they set the bar for both games?

Let's just be happy that at least those Franchises get another chance.

RAnthonyMahan

10/25/2010, 09:32 am

http://www.telltalegames.com/bttf

Look at the bottom. PC, Mac, iPad, and PS3.

I guess it's official, then.

rabbitsyndrome

10/25/2010, 09:48 am

http://www.telltalegames.com/bttf

Look at the bottom. PC, Mac, iPad, and PS3.

I guess it's official, then.

Hooray for iPad. I hope this means that future games from Telltale also have a chance of making it on the iPad. :)

ApollosEpiphany

10/25/2010, 09:59 am

I'll be getting it on Mac day 1, but I hope when the season is finished they'll release it on 360, too, so I can buy it again. PLEEEEEEASE let there be multiple seasons.

monkeymovies

10/25/2010, 10:47 am

W00000TTT!!!
It's up for Pre-Order!!!
:D

I'll get it on PC (& Mac) as a christmas present now, then get it on PS3 at christmas too!
Any idea what the PSN's price will be? £15ish?
GREAT JOB, GUYS!
:D

Oh, and anybody want a Puzzle Agent gift? I've got the game like three times now. :p

Crispy Onion

10/25/2010, 11:25 am

http://www.telltalegames.com/bttf

Look at the bottom. PC, Mac, iPad, and PS3.

I guess it's official, then.

Well then, how about PC, Mac, WiiWare and Xbox 360 for Jurassic Park, please? :o;)

Trenchfoot

10/25/2010, 12:50 pm

Well then, how about PC, Mac, WiiWare and Xbox 360 for Jurassic Park, please? :o;)

I imagine it will be the same platorms for JP as the ones they've announced for BTTF.

jp-30

10/25/2010, 01:08 pm

They tend to mix their consoles up on different games. I'm guessing Xbox360 instead of PS3 for Jurassic Park.

And hopefully announcements of bundled Wii disc versions once the final episodes launch.

Spykes

10/25/2010, 01:32 pm

sascha23

10/25/2010, 01:38 pm

They tend to mix their consoles up on different games. I'm guessing Xbox360 instead of PS3 for Jurassic Park.

We'll see. The last two titles (Sam & Max / ToMI) have been only on PS3 (the latter was on Wii also).

I will be pre-ordering on PC and PS3 -- guess I'm crazy like that.

Hopefully info regarding the pre-order for PS3 will be unveiled soon.

sascha23

10/25/2010, 01:39 pm

Thank goodness I have both PS3 and XBox 360. I really want to play BttF on the big screen. It'll be a painful wait for it to be released on the PS3 when it will already been available on the PC though. I guess I'll have to use my pre-order code for episode 1 and hopefully that can tide me over until I can buy it on PSN.

Going forward, I believe they're coming out simultaneously on PC/Mac and PS3, much like Sam & Max: Devil's Playhouse.

RAnthonyMahan

10/25/2010, 02:09 pm

Thank goodness I have both PS3 and XBox 360. I really want to play BttF on the big screen. It'll be a painful wait for it to be released on the PS3 when it will already been available on the PC though. I guess I'll have to use my pre-order code for episode 1 and hopefully that can tide me over until I can buy it on PSN.

Each PS3 episode of The Devil's Playhouse only came out like a day or two after the PC/Mac release, right? You probably wouldn't have to wait too much.

WinterSnowblind

10/25/2010, 03:49 pm

Love these games.. and Back to the Future far too much not to buy it instantly. But I'm very disappointed to see the 360 left out of all these recent releases, especially as the previous games that were released for it worked very well.

StevenMcFlyJr

10/25/2010, 04:19 pm

Th Wii's graphics are not that powerful but most TT P&C games aren't either actually. and the Wii has fantastic sound. So I've no clue what "Trenchfoot" is rambling about.

This would be SPLENDID on the Wii !!!

jp-30

10/25/2010, 04:30 pm

People get confused between the 40MB limit placed on downloadable wiiware titles (and the compression etc needed to squeeze ToMI into that service), and the Wii itself.

ApollosEpiphany

10/25/2010, 04:33 pm

I really hope we end up seeing BTTF on 360 when all five games are out, and hopefully news of The Devil's Playhouse now that the season has finished.

isco

10/25/2010, 04:39 pm

Huzzah! BTTF for the iPad! I can't wait! (Please release on Nov. 17 please release on Nov. 17!!)

Ash735

10/25/2010, 04:48 pm

Well then, how about PC, Mac, WiiWare and Xbox 360 for Jurassic Park, please? :o;)

I seriously hope TellTale don't ever cater for WiiWare again, having to squash games into 40MB just wasn't the best design choice around and I really think it's unfair that a game could potentially be compromised due to one platform having insane restrictions. At least with the Xbox 360 and PS3 the limit is 2GB to allow much more freedom and the hardware can handle a lot more, bringing it in line with PC.

From what I've gathered, Wiiware just didn't work for Monkey Island, from the downscaled music being MIDI to the pricing structure of the WiiWare Store meaning the Wii version cost like twice as much. The appeal of the PSN for TellTale was that the PSN now allowed a subscription, pay up front style, like what the TellTale store does for the PC/Mac versions, so the price works out near enough the same.

jp-30

10/25/2010, 04:58 pm

Huzzah! BTTF for the iPad! I can't wait! (Please release on Nov. 17 please release on Nov. 17!!)

Considering the preview trailer is slated for Dec 2, I think you may be out of luck.

isco

10/25/2010, 05:00 pm

Considering the preview trailer is slated for Dec 2, I think you may be out of luck.

I can still hope for at least a major upadate on the 17.

RAnthonyMahan

10/25/2010, 07:29 pm

I seriously hope TellTale don't ever cater for WiiWare again, having to squash games into 40MB just wasn't the best design choice around and I really think it's unfair that a game could potentially be compromised due to one platform having insane restrictions. At least with the Xbox 360 and PS3 the limit is 2GB to allow much more freedom and the hardware can handle a lot more, bringing it in line with PC.

From what I've gathered, Wiiware just didn't work for Monkey Island, from the downscaled music being MIDI to the pricing structure of the WiiWare Store meaning the Wii version cost like twice as much. The appeal of the PSN for TellTale was that the PSN now allowed a subscription, pay up front style, like what the TellTale store does for the PC/Mac versions, so the price works out near enough the same.

Yeah, Telltale shouldn't try making a WiiWare version, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try making a Wii version. Maybe after the series is finished they can put all the episodes on a disc for the Wii, like with the first two Sam and Max seasons.

But they should make sure it's a well-done port, unlike with the first two Sam and Max seasons.

jp-30

10/25/2010, 07:31 pm

Wiiware has its place - it was fine for Strongbad, and I dare say it would be great for Poker Night too.

ApollosEpiphany

10/25/2010, 07:35 pm

Poker Night on xbla would be aaaawwwweeeessssooooommmmeeeee.

Crispy Onion

10/25/2010, 11:13 pm

I would prefer a disc release for BttF and JP on Wii too, episodic games make me just think of downloading services.

And if they stated in the press-release that the games'll come out for any major plattform, then one game should at least release on either the Wii or the Xbox 360.

But in the end it's in any way the PC version to go for, so why bother?

Spykes

10/25/2010, 11:18 pm

Going forward, I believe they're coming out simultaneously on PC/Mac and PS3, much like Sam & Max: Devil's Playhouse.

According to this press release, the PC/Mac versions will be coming out first and the PS3/iPad versions will be released "shortly after".

Link (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101025006951/en/Great-Scott!-Future-Game-Platforms-Announced)

sascha23

10/26/2010, 07:09 am

According to this press release, the PC/Mac versions will be coming out first and the PS3/iPad versions will be released "shortly after".

Link (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101025006951/en/Great-Scott!-Future-Game-Platforms-Announced)

Thanks for the heads-up. I wonder how long is "shortly after" -- if the way they released with Sam & Max is any indication, that will be a fairly quick turnaround.

Rather Dashing

10/26/2010, 07:12 am

Obviously, the Wii can't handle the 1.21 Gigawatts necessary for time travel.

GhstbstrLMLIII

10/26/2010, 08:45 am

I just don't understand "timed exclusive" releases. All you are doing is alienating part of the potential fan base. (And I aim this not only at the 360 issue, but also the release of the game on PS3 "shortly after" it's released on the PC.)

I am a console gamer. I have a very few things on my computer, but it's really old and I don't know much about updating it. It's just easier for me to have a console. That being said, I try not to be a specific brand "fan-boy" either. I currently own a 360 and a first-generation PS2. I had a PS1 before that. I've liked the Playstation, but was in college back when the PS3 was first released - so I wasn't able to afford it. I, personally, think it was really stupid to take out the backwards compatibility factor, and refuse to buy a PS3 until they bring it back (and won't pay for a way-over priced used first-gen PS3 that has that ability).

Also, I'm completely new to TellTale games. It was the BTTF title that drew my attention and got me to sign up in these forums. The most-recent announcment regarding the platforms for BTTF leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I want to give TT my money - but I don't know if I have a system they will be releasing the game on.

I appreciate the news that the first episode will be available free - and will certainly try it on my computer, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up about it.

Also, the talk/rumors of TT possibily releasing BTTF on 360 after the season is complete does little to help. Will I buy it - you bet. But that means I'll have to wait until sometime later next year to play any of the BTTF game - long after most other players have completed the game. I know I don't want it to be spoiled, so that means I really can't particpate in the BTTF forum while I'm waiting for this "timed exclusive" to run out.

hahaman

10/26/2010, 08:50 am

why no love for the 360??the first two sam&max seasons released first on 360 of all the consoles

Android18a

10/26/2010, 08:57 am

Glad its on Mac ^^ I dont have a PC anymore.

*preorders*

Rather Dashing

10/26/2010, 08:59 am

I just don't understand "timed exclusive" releases. All you are doing is alienating part of the potential fan base. (And I aim this not only at the 360 issue, but also the release of the game on PS3 "shortly after" it's released on the PC.)
It's by no means a "timed exclusive" in the sense of a major AAA title, friend. You are completely misunderstanding Telltale's position. They get no money from any platform holder to make anything "exclusive", I assure you of that. Then again, it's easy to understand how a console gamer could not understand how things work.

Telltale is a small company, and they don't have the resources(yet) to produce multiple platforms at once. When their games are released on PC, they're generally working on the games until the day of release, and they are literally put out when they are done, fresh from the gaming oven. They can't release that quickly on any console platform because, unlike PC gaming, consoles have to go through review at the company and(especially for the 360 and Wii) the company then puts the games up "Whenever the hell they feel like it", in some cases months after the game has actually been finished.

It's a matter of them not being "able" to do it, not a matter of them being "unwilling" or "paid off" to.

By the way, try playing this (http://www.telltalegames.com/demo/thepenalzone) demo(or this (http://www.telltalegames.com/macdemo/thepenalzone) for Macs). It's Telltale's last PC game released on the PS3 as well, and so it and Back to the Future should have similar requirements.

GhstbstrLMLIII

10/26/2010, 11:48 am

Thanks for the link. I'll see what my computer does with it.

Meta Ray Mek

10/26/2010, 11:59 am

De-lurking to register my disappointment with no 360 version yet. The 360 is my primary gaming platform, so I have a major sad at no BttF game on that platform. =(

Will there be a possibility for it sometime in the (ha) future, tho'?

If not, I suppose I could trick out my laptop to play it...

Bloody Eugene

10/26/2010, 12:35 pm

I really hope the Ipad limits doesn't drag down the other platforms...
it already happened when the Wii limits dragged down the PC version of Tomi with low polys, few locations, MIDI-like music, etc.

Will there be a possibility for it sometime in the (ha) future, tho'?

Sure! Maybe it will be available in the usual Telltale conversions/translation timeline....
....so who knows.

Ribs

10/26/2010, 12:41 pm

robbttf

10/27/2010, 03:57 am

I too, would want the game on Xbox.
I love back to the Future, but my PC can barely handle running a system scan without dying.

Please release the game on XBLA eventually.

Of course, it will take a long time to go through submissions, but it would open the game up to a huge audience.

leaper1976

10/27/2010, 06:51 am

RAnthonyMahan

10/27/2010, 06:58 am

The mention of this game drew me to this forum right away. However, I'm very sad that it won't be released on the Wii. I'm not a hard core gamer by any means; we bought the Wii for my young son a couple years ago to have fun on. Since then we have also enjoyed the somewhat mild games (Mario, etc) and have become more interested in gaming.

I know nothing at all about pc gaming. Special controller? Special video card? I have no idea if I'll be able to play this and it's so disappointing it won't be a true multi-platform release. I think Universal should have gone with a company that could handle the load (no offense to this company) and should have paid them to do it right. This is a huge release for the BTTF fandom and already it's not what I really wanted.

As mentioned before, WiiWare has a much stricter file size limit than PSN and XBLA. (Not to mention Telltale's history so far of releasing games on WiiWare has had a few problems.)

That said, if you have the money you might want to try downloading Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People or Tales of Monkey Island off WiiWare. (Preferably Monkey Island, since it's newer and thus a better representative of Telltale's current style.) It'd give you an idea of how this game will play, and whether you'd like it. I love adventure games, but I admit the genre isn't for everybody.

Rather Dashing

10/27/2010, 07:01 am

I know nothing at all about pc gaming. Special controller? Special video card? I have no idea if I'll be able to play this and it's so disappointing it won't be a true multi-platform release. I think Universal should have gone with a company that could handle the load (no offense to this company) and should have paid them to do it right. This is a huge release for the BTTF fandom and already it's not what I really wanted.
I can help you out if you like. Try this (http://www.telltalegames.com/demo/thepenalzone). If it doesn't work smoothly, try lowering the Graphics settings. This should give you a good idea of whether or not your computer can handle the Back to the Future game. Most modern computers should be able to handle Telltale's games.

The only "controller" you'll need is a mouse and/or keyboard(you could also use a USB gamepad if you want, but that's just an option).

Sign up for the free episode here (http://www.telltalegames.com/cart/) with the coupon code 121GIGAWATTS.

EDIT: First link was wrong, fixed it.

sascha23

10/27/2010, 07:54 am

De-lurking to register my disappointment with no 360 version yet. The 360 is my primary gaming platform, so I have a major sad at no BttF game on that platform. =(

Time to change it up to PS3 I suppose. I have both systems, but I slowly weaned away from the 360 and keep it for the rare exclusives I'm into (Alan Wake, Mass Effect). The system had to be replaced several times for me and I got over having to deal with it.

Besides, you'll need to watch the blu-ray version of BTTF on something, right? :D

GhstbstrLMLIII

10/27/2010, 12:19 pm

I just saw in the "no 360" thread where it was confirmed that there are no plans for a 360 or wii release. I am disappointed with the news, but realize complaining won't change that.

Since these forums are meant for discussion though, here's how I currently see things. BTTF looks like it's going to be in the same place the Ghostbusters video game was. Terminal Reality did a wonderful job developing the GB video game. It truly was the 3rd movie we never got. They had the actors come back and the license behind it. The core game itself was wonderful. But then, after the problems with Activision, Sony decided to give the publishing rights to Atari. BIG mistake. Atari couldn't give GB a proper release and completely refused to support the product after release. Distribution was a nightmare, because Atari couldn't hack it - especially in the UK.

From the looks of things TT has done a wonderful job in the development of BTTF. They've got the original creators, they have the likeness rights, they even got some of the original actors to come back (and the sound-alike for Marty is great). It appears that this will be the BTTF4 we never got. However, it appears that the distribution is really going to hurt the game. They are leaving out a good portion of the gaming community by limiting the platforms that it will be released on.

Quickly, GB went from a 59.99 game to a 19.98 game at walmart. What should have been huge, turned into lackluster. I would hate for the same thing to happen to BTTF.

Vainamoinen

10/27/2010, 12:58 pm

The mention of this game drew me to this forum right away. However, I'm very sad that it won't be released on the Wii. [...]
I think Universal should have gone with a company that could handle the load (no offense to this company) and should have paid them to do it right. This is a huge release for the BTTF fandom and already it's not what I really wanted.

The Wii is a very special gaming platform, justly loved by millions, which has a lot of unique merits; but it's not the most versatile in terms of the games available, which is a pity. Telltale has made an incredible attempt to develop an engine that would be able to serve as many platforms as possible, but there's a limit obviously.

If Universal went to a gaming company that could "handle the load", we'd probably get more of a multi-platform release, but we'd also get a game that's not special. The TTG team have done exactly that before. They might miss the mark this time, who knows, but they have a real shot at it. Huge gaming companies on the other hand, led by endless rows of mindless suits, counting numbers instead of thinking creatively, would definitly play save for this licence and make it as mass-appealing as humanly possible, an action/free-roam/storyless BS, possibly loved today but definitly forgotten tommorow. They'd take the safe road. But where we're going...

Jtucker1789

10/27/2010, 01:39 pm

I agree completely..The Wii is fantastic, but it's a completely different platform that stands on it's own. The gameplay is unique, but unfortunately the Wii is designed for multiplayer games and Mario games..Mario Kart Wii, Mario Party, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Guitar Hero, etc. Most video games based on a movie fail..and epic fail on the Wii. The graphics suffer, and sometimes the game itself is redesigned to format the Wii (probably just to make more money, as opposed to make a quality game). Back to the Future just wouldn't work on the Wii, in my opinion. It's not a nintendo character game, nor is it going to be multiplayer.

jp-30

10/27/2010, 02:14 pm

While I understand what you're saying regarding the Wii's graphical limitations, of course Back to the Future would work on it (though, not so much on the Wiiware download service).

Telltale's 'CSI: Fatal Conspiracy' has just released across PC, Wii, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3.

Futureboy88

10/27/2010, 06:29 pm

jp-30

10/27/2010, 07:02 pm

If you pre-order here on Telltale, you will be able to get the PC/Mac versions with that purchase.

The PS3 episodes are purchased separately via the PS3 online store.

Icedhope

10/27/2010, 08:23 pm

I'm new to Telltale games and i was wondering if i were to pre-order the game now, on my laptop, could i play it on the PS3 or do i have order it on the PS3? I don't have the PS3 yet but i might get for Christmas.

When it comes down to PSN, that's really up for sony to decide and this was how you TDP was, you bought the season and dl'ed the episodes on release.

leaper1976

10/28/2010, 04:40 am

I can help you out if you like. Try this (http://www.telltalegames.com/demo/thepenalzone). If it doesn't work smoothly, try lowering the Graphics settings. This should give you a good idea of whether or not your computer can handle the Back to the Future game. Most modern computers should be able to handle Telltale's games.

The only "controller" you'll need is a mouse and/or keyboard(you could also use a USB gamepad if you want, but that's just an option).

Sign up for the free episode here (http://www.telltalegames.com/cart/) with the coupon code 121GIGAWATTS.

EDIT: First link was wrong, fixed it.

Thanks for the help. I tried to add the free episode, but the link you sent is just to the cart. Can't enter the code or anything. Is there a link to just the one episode - all I see on their site is for the full 5 episodes.

Rather Dashing

10/28/2010, 04:59 am

mgeoff88

10/28/2010, 11:40 am

I was really looking forward to this on the 360. It's a shame with a franchise as big as BTTF, not to release the game on all modern consoles.

leaper1976

10/29/2010, 04:29 am

The link to the cart used to add Back to the Future Episode 1 of 5 to your cart, but now it doesn't I guess.

Here (http://www.telltalegames.com/bttfoffer), the site works when you're remotely linked to it now.

That worked - awesome, thanks! Looking forward to trying it out. New experience on the computer, so great that you can try before you buy. :)

docbrown2015

10/29/2010, 10:18 am

I can't believe this! I thought BTTF was going to be on XBLA? Xbox360 is my main console..Please telltale put my game on XBLA..

RAnthonyMahan

10/29/2010, 12:01 pm

I can't believe this! I thought BTTF was going to be on XBLA? Xbox360 is my main console..Please telltale put my game on XBLA..

Sorry. It's already been decided. Just PC, Mac, iPad, and PS3. And after the ridiculous delays the 360 version of Wallace and Gromit suffered, I'd frankly be surprised if Telltale tried doing episodic games on XBLA ever again.

mgeoff88

10/30/2010, 10:58 am

Sorry. It's already been decided. Just PC, Mac, iPad, and PS3. And after the ridiculous delays the 360 version of Wallace and Gromit suffered, I'd frankly be surprised if Telltale tried doing episodic games on XBLA ever again.

Unfortunately, Mircosoft does have a random, and very slow approval process for XBLA releases. I heard a lot of people talking about waiting til all of the episodes are released and putting them on a disc.

If Telltale has a problem with going through XBLA, which I don't blame them; why not just release BTTF on a disc for the 360 to avoid all that. Also, they wouldn't have to worry about the pricing structure per episode or the achievement limit for XBLA.

thesporkman

10/30/2010, 11:09 am

The first two seasons of Sam and Max were released for the 360 in retail disc form, so that's always a possibility. You might have to wait quite a while for that to happen though.

RAnthonyMahan

10/30/2010, 05:03 pm

The first two seasons of Sam and Max were released for the 360 in retail disc form, so that's always a possibility. You might have to wait quite a while for that to happen though.

Actually, the 360 versions of the first two seasons where downloadable titles off of XBLA. (Only each season was considered a whole game, so you didn't need to download each episode individually.) The Wii got them in disc form.

Greg2600

11/06/2010, 12:39 pm

Why can't they release a disc-based version for the 360?

jp-30

11/06/2010, 01:09 pm

They might, but as the end of the season is 6 months away, and a potential XBox disc some time after that, it would be too soon to announce anything yet.

So while there are 'no plans' to release an xbox360 version in the future, they haven't said it will never happen.

ceedub

11/12/2010, 05:45 pm

as long as ive waited for a new back to the future game..only to find out no xbox version..great job

coolsome

11/12/2010, 05:54 pm

Have you only been waiting as long as the Xbox was around?

ceedub

11/12/2010, 06:20 pm

no i have been waiting since i played the nes versions back in probably 1988 but right now the only new system i have is xbox 360 and my "good" computer is dead and im using an old dell laptop with a 900mhz processor and 256mb of ram.
and im gonna have this game no matter what,
but now im FORCED to buy another system..maybe a reason to go ahead and buy a new computer or build one or a reason to buy the ps3..but this game is gonna cost ME a couple hundred dollars

dont get me wrong i love them for making the game,
just frustrated

deep down im hoping some would say there are future plans for a release on 360 but i know how it's gonna go down

Bunnyman

11/12/2010, 07:25 pm

If you can/want to build a computer, it would be a good investment. You can get the parts you want and save money by putting it together yourself. Then you can replace it part by part as you want to upgrade it.
More and more I prefer games on PC rather than consoles which mostly gets used when I have guests over. PCs that don't play games are just expensive web browsers, music players, and word processors so it's almost wasteful not to upgrade and play games on.

This is also assuming you usually don't play games with anyone else in your household.

Vainamoinen

11/12/2010, 11:50 pm

Merged this post with the "Platform discussion" thread.

Welcome ceedub, and good luck! ;)

docbrown2015

11/13/2010, 12:07 am

I strongly believe BTTF will hit XBLA..it has to! look at all of us who want it on Xbox360, if Telltale is planning a PC and Ps3 release, then how could they just leave out Xbox360 all together when so many people and Us own one..so lets just keep hoping and it not then we have our Pc, I just wonder if my PC is fast enough.

RAnthonyMahan

11/13/2010, 07:32 am

as long as ive waited for a new back to the future game..only to find out no xbox version..great job

Welcome to the boards, ceedub! I can tell you're unfamiliar with Telltale Games, so let me at least explain why there's no 360 version.

Telltale specializes in episodic games (a series of short, cheap, connected games released in quick succession after each other, monthly in Telltale's case). Most of their games have been episodic, and Back to the Future will be no exception.

Episodic games can be done fairly easily on the PC/Mac, because with digital distribution (such as Steam, or Telltale's own store) a company can release a game whenever they want. With consoles, it's a little bit trickier. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all get to decide what games they want on their consoles, of course, and all third-party games need to go through an approval process before being released. Not to mention that each console maker regulates their downloadable game service and decides how everything works.

Despite the difficulties of releasing episodic games on consoles, Telltale has still tried doing so on all three systems. They released Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People and Tales of Monkey Island on WiiWare, along with Wallace and Gromit's Grand Adventures for XBLA. You know what happened? The episodes never came out on time, they cost more money than their PC counterparts, you had to buy each episode individually, and ToMI had to be toned down to fit WiiWare's 40 MB size limit. Then they released Sam and Max: The Devil's Playhouse for PSN. The episodes always came out quickly (at worst, 1-2 days after the PC/Mac version), at the same price as the PC/Mac version, you had your choice of buying episodes individually or getting the whole season as a set, and not only did they not need to tone the game down, the PS3 version ended up getting extra content!

I don't work for Telltale and can't speak on their behalf on what they'll do in the future, but the way I see it they're probably going to release more of their games on PSN and less on XBLA and WiiWare. That said, it's definitely possible they might decide to bring BttF to the 360 later.

And even if they don't, you can still cross your fingers for Jurassic Park. ;)

ceedub

11/14/2010, 07:15 pm

thanks for the welcome guys,
yea it looks like the best thing to do is buy a motherboard/cpu combo and use all the other parts i have to build a good working computer..i like computer games but ijust would rather play on a console..im hoping this game will be as good as the ghostbusters game was(one of the main reasons i bought a new gaming system) lol

dinga6969

11/18/2010, 09:33 am

Does anyone know if this will be available on the OnLive service?

CaptKevinKID

11/21/2010, 03:30 pm

Just pre-ordered BTTF now, will enjoy in the mean time Puzzle Agent, nice one Telltale :D

Hangman522

11/23/2010, 01:07 pm

I'm really getting sick of no telltale on the 360. It's got a much bigger fan base and install base on it so I don't know why they won't put their stuff there.

RAnthonyMahan

11/23/2010, 08:36 pm

I'm really getting sick of no telltale on the 360. It's got a much bigger fan base and install base on it so I don't know why they won't put their stuff there.

I answered this just a few posts ago. Long story short, WiiWare and XBLA aren't as friendly to Telltale's episodic format as PSN is.

(Any ETA for the Wii version of Puzzle Agent, by the way?)

docbrown2015

11/23/2010, 11:21 pm

I answered this just a few posts ago. Long story short, WiiWare and XBLA aren't as friendly to Telltale's episodic format as PSN is.

(Any ETA for the Wii version of Puzzle Agent, by the way?) well, I think I finally gave up hope for BTTF on XBLA..so I going to stick with PC then, I have one small question though..back in September of '09 I bought a New Computer but never used it, if I post the Stats, can somone please tell me if it's pwoerfun enough to play the BTTF game? I mean I haven't opened it yet, it is brand new but bought on 09 and this is 10 making it a yeara nd 2 months old.. here are the stats:

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Intel® Pentium® dual-core processor E5700
Features 2 processing cores, 2MB cache and 3.0GHz processor speed.
Intel® Pentium® processor
Features classic 2-way processing performance, letting you run multiple applications simultaneously, so you can browse, send instant messages, download music and transfer photos all at once.
6GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power, expandable to 8GB.
Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
Records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL media; also supports DVD-RAM.
1TB Serial ATA hard drive
For fast read/write times.
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
For lush images. HDMI port for flexible connectivity.
Multi-in-1 digital media reader
Supports CompactFlash I/II, Microdrive, Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Reduced-Size MultiMediaCard, xD-Picture Card, Memory Stick and Memory Stick PRO formats.
9 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
For fast digital video, audio and data transfer; 1 eSATA port.
Built-in 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN with RJ-45 connector
For quick and easy wired Web connection.
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit operating system preinstalled
Provides a stable computing platform.
Best Buy pc app
Your one-stop shop for digital software, games and more! Learn more.
Software package included
With Adobe Acrobat Reader, Adobe Flash, Cyberlink PowerDVD and more. Microsoft Office Starter 2010 also included (product key card required for activation; sold separately).
Intel, Pentium, Celeron, Centrino, Core, Viiv, Intel Inside and the Intel Inside logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries.

Vainamoinen

11/24/2010, 01:31 am

Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD

docbrown2015, that IS still quite an impressive system. But it's always the on-board graphics instead of actual Nvidia/ATI graphic cards that might cause problems (many gaming companies refuse to support on-board graphics because of this). I really hope that you'll get an official statement from TTG wether you're all set with this system. I hope you are! Did you try the Season 3 Sam & Max demo (http://www.telltalegames.com/store/samandmax-thedevilsplayhouse) with this computer?

I'm really getting sick of no telltale on the 360. It's got a much bigger fan base and install base on it so I don't know why they won't put their stuff there.

No one knows. Could be more expensive, could be TTG engine restrictions, could be certain exclusivity deals, whatever. However, the bigger the fanbase, the bigger the possibility of future 360 releases (and translations of the games, come to think of it ;) ). I'm still hoping, and I don't even own a 360. :D

Toothless Gibbon

11/24/2010, 01:41 am

I'm really getting sick of no telltale on the 360. It's got a much bigger fan base and install base on it so I don't know why they won't put their stuff there.

Where are you getting your figures from, or are you just talking about North America?

Xbox 360 – 44.6 million as of 30 September 2010
PlayStation 3 – 41.6 million as of 30 September 2010

And how many of this Xboxes are out of warranty RRD replacements?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a PS3 fanboy as I have, use and love both consoles but the difference in Worldwide sales doesn't say "Much bigger" to me.

Strayth

11/24/2010, 02:12 am

Yeah but I think the "no localisation" thingy is probably aiming at english speakers at first ^^.

Though that doesn't mean Xbox only is important in America ...

docbrown2015

11/24/2010, 11:15 am

docbrown2015, that IS still quite an impressive system. But it's always the on-board graphics instead of actual Nvidia/ATI graphic cards that might cause problems (many gaming companies refuse to support on-board graphics because of this). I really hope that you'll get an official statement from TTG wether you're all set with this system. I hope you are! Did you try the Season 3 Sam & Max demo (http://www.telltalegames.com/store/samandmax-thedevilsplayhouse) with this computer? No not yet i'm connecting it next week, my original computer i'm using now is not going to be able to play the game in anyway I think, it's from 2002.

StevenMcFlyJr

11/24/2010, 05:57 pm

Yes, PLEASE. Our Wii YEARNS for this sucker. Not because it's nuclear ... just well, because we have that one & at least there are no sys. req's for it on a console. U got the console, it plays! :-D

EvilMonkeyG1

11/24/2010, 07:31 pm

Like monkey island and sam and max, shall back to the future be on ps3? I hope so since my pc can't run games very well at all. (poker has to be in 3 under quality and still chops up)

RingmasterJ5

11/24/2010, 07:33 pm

Yep, it will.

Shadowknight1

11/24/2010, 10:55 pm

Sometime after the actual release, by which I mean DO NOT PREORDER! The preorder is for the PC/Mac version ONLY. Makes me sad, cause I'd love to preorder just because it helps the Michael J Fox Parkinson's Foundation. :(

LUNARWOLF22

11/26/2010, 11:35 am

will the back to the future game be on xbox 360?
it look like a great game.
:confused:

RAnthonyMahan

11/26/2010, 12:40 pm

will the back to the future game be on xbox 360?
it look like a great game.
:confused:

Methinks I need to edit my original post again.

It won't be on the Xbox 360.

LUNARWOLF22

11/27/2010, 04:57 am

:)They tend to mix their consoles up on different games. I'm guessing Xbox360 instead of PS3 for Jurassic Park.

And hopefully announcements of bundled Wii disc versions once the final episodes launch.

i hope your right

Strayth

11/27/2010, 05:45 am

They tend to mix their consoles up on different games. I'm guessing Xbox360 instead of PS3 for Jurassic Park.

That's completely stupid.

They're not "choosing" anything over anything. They just can't because of the Xbox live's shitty policy (that so many developpers blame).

Si if there is no BTTF on 360 there won't be a Jurassic Park on 360. Just hope they can get them both on 360 in the future.

But in no way they're going to ditch the ps3, since they changed the whole gameplay of their game to be more console friendly, and it makes much more people aware of the game.

Hangman522

11/29/2010, 07:17 pm

Where are you getting your figures from, or are you just talking about North America?

Xbox 360 – 44.6 million as of 30 September 2010
PlayStation 3 – 41.6 million as of 30 September 2010

And how many of this Xboxes are out of warranty RRD replacements?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a PS3 fanboy as I have, use and love both consoles but the difference in Worldwide sales doesn't say "Much bigger" to me.

Every multi-platform game sells better on 360 than PS3, also arcade titles on the xbox 360 have better sale numbers than PSN games. Plus the fact that Xbox Live is a much more robust online service than the PSN. I own both and love both the PS3 and XBOX 360 but I just prefer the controller on 360 and the fact that even though I pay for my online service it's miles better than the PSN, which is terrible.

Strayth

11/30/2010, 03:41 am

Every multi-platform game sells better on 360 than PS3, also arcade titles on the xbox 360 have better sale numbers than PSN games. Plus the fact that Xbox Live is a much more robust online service than the PSN. I own both and love both the PS3 and XBOX 360 but I just prefer the controller on 360 and the fact that even though I pay for my online service it's miles better than the PSN, which is terrible.

Depends which kind of games...

And unfortunately, when it's anything else than shooters or FPS, it's doing pretty bad on 360 ... Even titles like Alan Wake didn't get support from Microsoft.

As for the Xbox live, it's a real pain for the indie devs. And I also have and love both.

Hangman522

11/30/2010, 08:33 am

Depends which kind of games...

And unfortunately, when it's anything else than shooters or FPS, it's doing pretty bad on 360 ... Even titles like Alan Wake didn't get support from Microsoft.

As for the Xbox live, it's a real pain for the indie devs. And I also have and love both.

I agree the 360 needs more non shooter games, but Alan Wake got plenty of support and still is seeing as it's in the holiday bundle. The problem with it was that it came out the same day as Red Dead Redemption. Which sold more on the 360, just like GTA did. And if DeathSpank and S&M can come out on 360 I really see no reason for TellTale to not put out BTTF, TOMI, and Jurassic Park out on XBLA.

Strayth

11/30/2010, 08:56 am

I agree the 360 needs more non shooter games, but Alan Wake got plenty of support and still is seeing as it's in the holiday bundle. The problem with it was that it came out the same day as Red Dead Redemption. Which sold more on the 360, just like GTA did.

Well it didn't have much advertising ! Look at how they promoted Halo Reach or Gears of Wars !! Alan Wake was nowhere near that :/ ...

Red dead didn't help, indeed. But look at all the games that sold well since october : Halo Reach, Fable 3, Gran turismo 5, Call of Duty black ops, Assassin's creed Brotherhood.

Then you get smaller games that also did "good" : Naruto storm 2, Castelvania.

It's a lot don't you think ? Just because there was ONE game coming out at the same time, even if many people bought it, can't explain the problem in my opinion ;) .

Shooters and Rockstar games sell very well on 360 only because it's the most widespread console in the USA, which is the first target audience for those kind of games.

That doesn't mean it does bad on the ps3 (especially for a console that is really far behind in the Us, due to coming out one year after and having a horrible debut). But original games tend to sell better on PS3 (japanese games for instance, or games like Heavy Rain).

But indeed, a 'back to the future' game with no language outside of english, it's pretty much targeting the USA for now.

The only logical explaination is that something changed or that they didn't like something with Microsoft's policy (many developpers complain about it) and decided to try out the PSN ? Since the games that are on 360 ARE NOT on ps3 . (well the reason is that they're making their games designed for consoles now, to be joypad friendly, so it would seem to go "backward" to release Pc-designed games now)

I mean, you're expecting the PS3 games to go on 360, but obviously the ps3 won't get the 360 ones so, that logic is kinda flawed, in my opinion.

Maybe they can just release their games on 360 as a whole now. So let's wait and see. ;)

RAnthonyMahan

11/30/2010, 10:08 am

The only logical explaination is that something changed or that they didn't like something with Microsoft's policy (many developpers complain about it) and decided to try out the PSN ? Since the games that are on 360 ARE NOT on ps3 . (well the reason is that they're making their games designed for consoles now, to be joypad friendly, so it would seem to go "backward" to release Pc-designed games now)

I mean, you're expecting the PS3 games to go on 360, but obviously the ps3 won't get the 360 ones so, that logic is kinda flawed, in my opinion.

Maybe they can just release their games on 360 as a whole now. So let's wait and see. ;)

I think Telltale is trying to avoid the 360 because releasing Wallace and Gromit's Grand Adventures for XBLA was a bad experience. Let's look at the Wallace and Gromit release dates according to GameFAQs, shall we? (The year for all of this is 2009.)

Episode 1 came out on the PC on March 24th.
Episode 2 came out on the PC on May 5th.
Episode 1 came out on the Xbox 360 on May 27th, two months after Episode 1 came out on the PC, and over three weeks after Episode 2.
Episode 3 came out on the PC on June 16th.
Episode 4 came out on the PC on July 29th.
Episodes 2, 3, and 4 all come out on the Xbox 360 on November 4th, over five months after the first episode was released for the 360, and over three months after the entire series finished on the PC.

Those are some awful delays, and when Telltale prides themselves on promising (and delivering) monthly episodes, they don't want something like that on their reputation. Meanwhile, with The Devil's Playhouse on the PS3 each episode came out, at worst, 1-2 days after its PC/Mac counterpart.

Also, since the PS3 seems to have become Telltale's favorite console, it looks like they're trying to bring their library onto it. In addition to TDP and BttF, they ported Monkey Island to the PS3 later on, and since the Poker Night voice files have clips of Strong Bad saying tutorial lines with stuff like "use the Triangle button", it seems they might bring SBCG4AP to the PS3 too. If they bring the first two Sam and Max seasons to the PS3, I won't be surprised at all. Hell, the only reason they probably won't bring Wallace and Gromit to it is because they lost the license.

$$$Burt$$$

12/02/2010, 09:52 pm

xChri5x

12/02/2010, 09:54 pm

Lolz

Spykes

12/02/2010, 10:01 pm

I registered just to express my disappointment after seeing the trailer on television. The fact that the Xbox360 is being ignored is terrible. And lame excuses about it being difficult to certify are ridiculous. Why would a company spend a huge amount of cash to license a property like BttF and then ignore a huge portion downloadable game market? Cause it's hard? Because of delays? Ridiculous. I think the buckets of cash are worth the headaches gentlemen. I was really looking forward to this game but count me out. Apparently my money, and the money of millions of other Xbox owners, isn't worth the hassle. Countless BttF fans are getting left out in the cold. Whatever. Just don't expect us to ever by a game from you again.

So you're just disappointed by it not being on the XBox, not that the game doesn't look great. I can live with that.

It's going to be on plenty of systems, it's not like anyone will be left out in the cold. Chances are that you'll be able to play the game on the very computer you made that angry post since TellTale games aren't super graphics intensive. There is also the fact that a majority of XBox owners likely are also PS3 owners. It's not mutually exclusive that if you own a XBox you can't own a PS3.

Beaker2005

12/03/2010, 12:30 am

This is probably obvious to most but since it's not clear on the order page I though I'd ask...

If I preorder BTTF is that for download on PC only, or does it allow a download code for PSN (either insted or as well as)?

ScheffK0ch

12/03/2010, 12:53 am

Yeah, I had more or less the same question about the iPad Version.
If I preorder BTTF now, do I get all the Versions? Or only PC?

Vainamoinen

12/03/2010, 01:38 am

And lame excuses about it being difficult to certify are ridiculous. Why would a company spend a huge amount of cash to license a property like BttF and then ignore a huge portion downloadable game market? Cause it's hard? Because of delays? Ridiculous. I think the buckets of cash are worth the headaches gentlemen.

If TTG thought that they could make more money, instantly, by releasing BTTF on 360 AND saw any possible way to make it real with only a slight delay - what exactly do you assume to be the reason that it does not happen?

a) stupidity or
b) lazyness ?

Because I really couldn't think of a reason (c). :D

If it's ever possible, they'll do it.

RAnthonyMahan

12/03/2010, 05:46 am

Yeah, I had more or less the same question about the iPad Version.
If I preorder BTTF now, do I get all the Versions? Or only PC?

Pre-ordering BttF off the Telltale Store will get you the PC and Mac versions. (When it comes out, your "My Games" page will have "PC Download" and "Mac Download" buttons next to the episodes, so you can download the right version for your computer.)

If you want the PS3 version, you'll have to get it off PSN.

Ashki

12/04/2010, 06:35 am

I don't get why its not getting a 360 release, that's just asinine IMO.

I'll probably be getting it on the PC, but still, no 360 release?

http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/son_i_am_disappoint_trollcat.jpg

Also, I have to address this. There is also the fact that a majority of XBox owners likely are also PS3 owners. It's not mutually exclusive that if you own a XBox you can't own a PS3

I don't own a PS3, but not for monetary reasons, but for the fact that Sony won't make their current PS3's PS2 backwards compatible, so yeah.

markeres

12/04/2010, 07:18 am

I don't get why its not getting a 360 release, that's just asinine IMO.It's already been explained why they're not doing an episodic 360 release:

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=401462&postcount=77
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=409741&postcount=100

It's still possible that it may get a 360 release after the season.

Ashki

12/04/2010, 07:25 am

It's already been explained why they're not doing an episodic 360 release:

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=401462&postcount=77
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=409741&postcount=100

It's still possible that it may get a 360 release after the season.

I saw that, doesn't mean I have to like it though.

Origami

12/04/2010, 07:36 am

I don't own a PS3, but not for monetary reasons, but for the fact that Sony won't make their current PS3's PS2 backwards compatible, so yeah.

Seems a sad reason to protest. You're missing out on a lot of very awesome games just because you can't stand you can't play the old ones anymore. Don't be so hard on yourself. :)

Admittingly I would've liked the PS3 to be backwards compatible too so I can store my PS2. But reality is that I hardly play any games of my vast ps2 game collection. It's mostly collecting dust. I have like 10 games(most of hem being JRPG's) still in their sealing. :(
(But bought off Ebay for a cheaper price ofcourse)

And the PS3 library makes up for it. Uncharted 2 is one of the best things that has happened to me. Yeah I know it sounds sad.

Ashki

12/04/2010, 07:43 am

Seems a sad reason to protest. You're missing out on a lot of very awesome games just because you can't stand you can't play the old ones anymore. Don't be so hard on yourself. :)

Admittingly I would've liked the PS3 to be backwards compatible too so I can store my PS2. But reality is that I hardly play any games of my vast ps2 game collection. It's mostly collecting dust. I have like 10 games(most of hem being JRPG's) still in their sealing. :(
(But bought off Ebay for a cheaper price ofcourse)

And the PS3 library makes up for it. Uncharted 2 is one of the best things that has happened to me. Yeah I know it sounds sad.

I will admit, I want to play ModNation Racers and a few other deals, but as I said, with the lack of PS2 BC, it's not happening and it's disappoint, cause that was the only time the Smackdown games were any good, now they're just crap, and I can't play my Kingdom Hearts game either due to no PS2 BC.

Origami

12/04/2010, 07:57 am

^
Where is your PS2?

Ashki

12/04/2010, 07:58 am

^
Where is your PS2?

Dead, pretty much dead.

Strayth

12/04/2010, 08:07 am

I saw that, doesn't mean I have to like it though.

It also doesn't mean they can do anything about it.

If they could they would. They don't, thus they can't. Blame Microsoft, not Telltale.

Ashki

12/04/2010, 08:12 am

It also doesn't mean they can do anything about it.

If they could they would. They don't, thus they can't. Blame Microsoft, not Telltale.

Trust me, I have beef with Microsoft already, related to another game, but I still don't have to like the fact that the game's not coming out on my preferred console.

I don't mind playing on the PC, but to be honest, I'd rather see the game on my TV.

Strayth

12/04/2010, 08:22 am

Trust me, I have beef with Microsoft already, related to another game, but I still don't have to like the fact that the game's not coming out on my preferred console.

I don't mind playing on the PC, but to be honest, I'd rather see the game on my TV.

I know it sucks. I have both PS3 and 360 so I'm glad it's out on at least one of them, since I also prefer to play it on big screen on my couch, rather than in front of my computer screen.

But it's not Telltale's fault. But maybe they'll be able to release it as a full game of some sort ?

Ashki

12/04/2010, 08:26 am

I know it sucks. I have both PS3 and 360 so I'm glad it's out on at least one of them, since I also prefer to play it on big screen on my couch, rather than in front of my computer screen.

But it's not Telltale's fault. But maybe they'll be able to release it as a full game of some sort ?

I can hope, but I read on another part of the forum that if they do do that it'd be after the series is done....yeah, I'm not waiting that long to play it.

Granted, it'd mean spending a bit more money then I'd prefer, but yeah, I hope that's what happens.

monkeymovies

12/04/2010, 08:28 am

I have no Xbox. I have no intention of getting an Xbox. But the response to the "No Xbox" comments have been kindof overwhelming, hasn't it.
I think Telltale will have to release the game on Xbox eventually so that all of the Xbox players are happy. Even if it's as one whole game and a year after the series started (ala ToMI on PS3).
Obviously there are reasons for TT not releasing it on Xbox, like the delays to Microsoft ruining the schedules of previous titles.

Ash735

12/04/2010, 08:48 am

Granted, it'd mean spending a bit more money then I'd prefer, but yeah, I hope that's what happens.

So seriously, you'd be happy to pay $10 an Episode and even then face delays as it would be in Microsofts hands?

What's the matter? Sad because Microsoft didn't spend money to make the game Exclusive to them?

You've been told why, it's been explained over and over again, unless the Xbox can provide a subscription based service like the PS3 and allow TellTale to release their games close to their original PC dates without having to jump through the many hoops of QA, making the game on the Xbox 360 won't be easy until at least the Season is over and they can provide a one off bundle with all the Episodes.

Actually, come on Xbox only owners, I want to hear what YOU think TellTale should do!

Ashki

12/04/2010, 09:19 am

So seriously, you'd be happy to pay $10 an Episode and even then face delays as it would be in Microsofts hands?

What's the matter? Sad because Microsoft didn't spend money to make the game Exclusive to them?

You've been told why, it's been explained over and over again, unless the Xbox can provide a subscription based service like the PS3 and allow TellTale to release their games close to their original PC dates without having to jump through the many hoops of QA, making the game on the Xbox 360 won't be easy until at least the Season is over and they can provide a one off bundle with all the Episodes.

Actually, come on Xbox only owners, I want to hear what YOU think TellTale should do!

Cool story bro.

Just for the record I was saying I'd pay for a 360 version if it come out as well as the PC version that I plan on getting when thats released.

Also, your post was rather rude, and again, I know the reason, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.

What's the matter? Sad because Microsoft didn't spend money to make the game Exclusive to them?

This is just a blatant troll post right here.

Ash735

12/04/2010, 11:50 am

Well I'm sorry but seriously seeing soo many people come here and blame TellTale and complain that it's not on the Xbox 360 is just gone beyond actual sense, I'm not saying you have to like it but they ARE the reasons so blaming TellTale after knowing the reasons is just daft.

You don't have to like it, but you DO have to accept it and the only one to blame is Microsoft, I'm sure TellTale would be happy to do a full season bundle at the end but then you get people saying they'd boycott that because it would be too late then?? How can they win? It seems to me the only way Telltale can make the 360 people happy is by delaying the game on PC/MAC/PS3/iPad until the season is done and then release it on all of them as one bundle.

Vainamoinen

12/04/2010, 11:58 am

If you don't like this kind of discussion, maybe the platform discussion thread is not actually the place you'd want to read or post in? ;)

Ashki

12/04/2010, 12:06 pm

Icedhope

12/04/2010, 12:06 pm

Guys stop the flaming or the thread is being closed, understood? Good now I have to go see an elder gentleman about a delorian.

GhstbstrLMLIII

12/06/2010, 09:15 am

I type this in response to what was posted above as explanation, and I hope it is not considered flaming by a mod, because I really don't mean it that way.

As a person who owns a 360 but not a PS3, I think some of the frustration towards TellTale comes from the initial press release saying that the game would be coming to "all major platforms." I got all excited and joined the forums back then. Only later was it announced that out of the gaming platforms BTTF would only be coming to PS3, and not the 360. That, in my opinion, is missing a major platform. - and specifically in my case - the platform I have chosen for gaming.

Since that announcement, and the subsequent outcry, the reasons behind Telltale's decision were made known. I understand that Microsoft has extra rules regarding the downloads on Xbox Live and that this has caused problems and delays in prior episodic games released by Telltale. Therefore, they have made a business decision not to release BTTF through the Live system.

Now, I'm not going to pretend to understand the business side of video games. I wish that Microsoft and TellTale could come to a workable agreement regarding download games like that, but it doesn't sound like that's an option - probably because with Live, it is either Microsoft's way or the highway.

Do I feel like a set of BTTF fans are being left out in the cold on this one? - sure do!

Do I understand that there are issues with Microsolf that Sony apparently doesn't have with the PS network - for as much as a lay person can, yes.

Would I have been this upset about it if TellTale had been straight from the beginning and told me they would not be releasing it on Xbox? - I don't think so. If this was their plan all along because of prior games, and they would have just said that, I think I would have accepted it and tried to work a way to play the game sooner than this (ie: updating or getting a new computer). But to have been told all major platforms, only to have the rug ripped out from under me - that's where the frustration towards Telltale comes in.

Again, I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just thought an explanation from a casual xbox gamer might help. I really don't even consider myself a "hardcore gamer." I pick up the few that appeal to me, and don't even pay mind to the rest.

Vainamoinen

12/06/2010, 09:30 am

The "major platforms" announcement probably wasn't meant as a calculated deceit. I'm sure that at that time, they were still trying hard to figure things out...

Shadowknight1

12/06/2010, 09:39 am

The "major platforms" announcement probably wasn't meant as a calculated deceit. I'm sure that at that time, they were still trying hard to figure things out...

^^^Agreed. I have a PS3, but I still feel bad for those who don't or have a good computer to play this game on. :(

Ashki

12/06/2010, 09:52 am

The "major platforms" announcement probably wasn't meant as a calculated deceit. I'm sure that at that time, they were still trying hard to figure things out...

I do hope Microsoft comes to their ****ing senses about that, cause I'd hate for the same thing to happen to the GB: Sanctum of Slime deal to happen the way this has happened to the BTTF game.

:rolleyes: Though it's Microsoft, so I doubt that'll happen.

jp-30

12/06/2010, 11:24 am

if I recall correctly the original press release was combined for both BTTF and Jurassic Park, so perhaps they will be putting JP on 360?

If that's the case, then it's just the Wii owners with a grievance. ;)

Shadowknight1

12/06/2010, 11:32 am

GhstbstrLMLIII

12/06/2010, 11:36 am

I'd hate for the same thing to happen to the GB: Sanctum of Slime deal to happen the way this has happened to the BTTF game.

Much agreed!!! While I have my reservations about the drastic change in game play style from 2009's GB game, I'll take another GB game in a heartbeat.

GB and BTTF were the main properties I followed in the 80s, which is why I am thrilled both are making comebacks. Next generation video games seem like a logical choice for both properties for the same reason that both Terminal Reality and TellTale used - giving us the characters we remember exteremely close to how they looked back when the movies came out!

meOFF

12/09/2010, 08:26 pm

Sorry but I will be boycotting this company. I'm sick and tired of game companies blaming Microsoft. I was so excited for this game until I heard it wasn't going to be released on the 360.

meOFF

12/09/2010, 08:30 pm

I do hope Microsoft comes to their ****ing senses about that, cause I'd hate for the same thing to happen to the GB: Sanctum of Slime deal to happen the way this has happened to the BTTF game.

:rolleyes: Though it's Microsoft, so I doubt that'll happen.

It's not Microsoft, it's Telltale Games. Sanctum of Slim will come to the 360 because it's not being made by Telltale Games.

Ashki

12/09/2010, 08:48 pm

It's not Microsoft, it's Telltale Games. Sanctum of Slim will come to the 360 because it's not being made by Telltale Games.

Uh huh.....that's why some of the Sam & Max games are on the 360, and yet, the later ones aren't.

jp-30

12/09/2010, 10:10 pm

doggans

12/10/2010, 03:04 am

I'm sick and tired of game companies blaming Microsoft.

If enough game companies are blaming them to make you sick, isn't it logical to think that the multiple companies aren't just whining, but that Microsoft might actually have a problem?

RAnthonyMahan

12/10/2010, 03:45 am

Sorry but I will be boycotting this company. I'm sick and tired of game companies blaming Microsoft. I was so excited for this game until I heard it wasn't going to be released on the 360.

Since you don't seem to even know about "this company" and probably never intended to buy any of their games before Back to the Future, I don't think your boycott is particularly meaningful. :p

But really, if Telltale brought this game to the 360, and it had the same problems as Wallace and Gromit, all of you people complaining that it's not on the 360 would be complaining just as much about how the 360 owners are being treated unfairly with huge delays and having to pay more money for the episodes.

Whatever Telltale does with the Xbox 360, it's really a no-win situation for them. It's best to just go with the option where they don't have to spend money on porting.

CaptainN

12/10/2010, 03:59 am

I own all. wii, PS3, xbox360 and pc. personally since it's point and click I preffer PC versions anyway. but for those who only have the xbox360 it's too bad. but it's not the first time a game doesnt come on everything. and since you havent bought the game yet you have no reason to complain really.

on a personal note I for one feel the xbox live asks alot for it's downloaded contents. more then it's worth. But since it's point and click I preffer a mouse and view the console versions just as ports to an original pc game anyway. but like stated. personal opinion.

Shadowknight1

12/10/2010, 01:55 pm

Hmm, the official site removed the PSN's logo from the bottom. What gives?

Alan Johnson

12/10/2010, 02:06 pm

Hmm, the official site removed the PSN's logo from the bottom. What gives?

Rest assured - it's still coming to the PSN, though not quite day and date with the PC/Mac release.

Shadowknight1

12/10/2010, 02:57 pm

Rest assured - it's still coming to the PSN, though not quite day and date with the PC/Mac release.

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up for me Alan. I don't know if my PC can handle it, so the PS3's probably my way to go.

MusicallyInspired

12/10/2010, 06:58 pm

Shadowknight1

12/10/2010, 07:07 pm

I've never had that problem with PSN, but I don't buy the cards. It comes straight from my checking account.

MusicallyInspired

12/10/2010, 07:14 pm

In Canada a debit card cannot work as a credit card.

Ashki

12/10/2010, 07:22 pm

It's strange how Telltale hasn't made a 360 port of one of their games since the first two seasons of Sam & Max. TMI, S&M3, Puzzle Agent, nor Poker Night ever made it there. It's kind of a shame because I prefer buying on XBLA than PSN because you have to pay tax twice for everything on PSN (once for PSN card, again for the item you purchase on PSN itself). Don't have that problem with XBLA and Microsoft points cards.

You can blame Microsoft for that. Apparently XBLA screwed them over on a later season of Sam & Max, and then never went back to them.

Shame really cause I would've preferred a 360 version over the PC version. On the plus side though, I can't Let's Play a 360 game, so I guess that's a bit of a plus.

meOFF

12/10/2010, 09:26 pm

You can blame Microsoft for that. Apparently XBLA screwed them over on a later season of Sam & Max, and then never went back to them.

So Telltale says.

Ashki

12/10/2010, 09:40 pm

So Telltale says.

Well, it doesn't matter, cause you can do whatever you want, I'm not missing out on a good Back to the Future game.

olanmills

12/10/2010, 10:16 pm

I'm sad. I'll probably get it on PSN, but if it ever comes out on XBLA, I'll be sad that I didn't wait. I know (or I've heard) about what a pain MS can be, but still, I think if you asked all potential customers what they want to play this game on, the most requested platform would be the 360.

For those of you saying that it's being released on a enough platforms that it's not likely that you won't be able to play it, I agree. That's probably true. However, most gamers I know feel attached to their Live accounts, their Gamerscore, their Friends lists there, etc.

I also think Telltale will miss out on a lot of sales. I think the 360 is the best platform for marketing downloadable titles and impulse buys. The 360 dashboards put the ads right in front of your face, not to mention the extra coverage from programming (on the console) like Inside Xbox and the like.

meOFF

12/11/2010, 01:32 am

Well, it doesn't matter, cause you can do whatever you want, I'm not missing out on a good Back to the Future game.

No, I can't do what ever I want. I don't have a PS3, I only have an Xbox 360. My computer is so old it barely plays games that came out 7 years ago. I can't afford to build another computer or buy another console.

Like I said before, I was really looking forward to this game. Back to the Future is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Telltale Games could have made alot more money.

doggans

12/11/2010, 03:11 am

So Telltale says.

As does everyone who remembers how long XBLA users were waiting to play the Wallace and Gromit episodes that PC users had already completed.

Ashki

12/11/2010, 06:26 am

Gogeta504

12/11/2010, 08:23 am

No, I can't do what ever I want. I don't have a PS3, I only have an Xbox 360. My computer is so old it barely plays games that came out 7 years ago. I can't afford to build another computer or buy another console.

Like I said before, I was really looking forward to this game. Back to the Future is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Telltale Games could have made alot more money.

Well blame Microsoft they did this not TT .. If Microsoft weren't jackasses in the first place then it wouldnt happen ..they delayed wallice and gromit till November for XBLA while PC version got earliy and played it ... It was very bad sales and think about it Xbox 360 meant for shooters only not adventure games ... So TT tried the PS3 and they are very happy with it oh and guess what about 6 or 7 TT games came over to ps3 in 2010 with no delays !!! And I'm verry happy I got ps3 ^-^ get a ps3 for Christmas then you can play the back to the future game. So if they did put for 360 then guess when the 5 episodes will come out??? End of 2011/2012 .. Halo is overrated there are alot of ps3 games coming out in 2011 :D

MusicallyInspired

12/11/2010, 08:27 am

What exactly happened?

Ashki

12/11/2010, 08:42 am

Well blame Microsoft they did this not TT .. If Microsoft weren't jackasses in the first place then it wouldnt happen ..they delayed wallice and gromit till November for XBLA while PC version got earliy and played it ... It was very bad sales and think about it Xbox 360 meant for shooters only not adventure games ... So TT tried the PS3 and they are very happy with it oh and guess what about 6 or 7 TT games came over to ps3 in 2010 with no delays !!! And I'm verry happy I got ps3 ^-^ get a ps3 for Christmas then you can play the back to the future game. So if they did put for 360 then guess when the 5 episodes will come out??? End of 2011/2012 .. Halo is overrated there are alot of ps3 games coming out in 2011 :D

Um, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about the 360 being meant only for shooters. Had Microsoft not have been douches, the game would've worked just fine on their console.

As for the PS3, I want one, but I want one with PS2 BC, so yeah, I don't ever plan on getting a PS3 until they add some PS2 BC, but thankfully my PC is a beast that is more then capable of playing BTTF, so I got that going for me.

Gogeta504

12/11/2010, 08:53 am

Ashki

12/11/2010, 08:57 am

Nevermind 360 isint only for shooters Only .....but there are adventure/action etc games for 360 but alot I see is alot of shooters for 360 that's about it for me and if Microsoft aren't douches then why they delayed TT game???... Oh yeah try getting the fat ps3 60GB on amazon or eBay or something check on YouTube or something :D I can't wait to play BTTF game I'm hype ish not now but when 2nd trailer comes out Looool XD

I said had they not have been, which means they are douches for delaying the TellTale games.

As for getting a first gen PS3 on Ebay. Heeeellll no those would be priced way to damn high due to the fact that they're the only PS3's with PS2 BC.

Strayth

12/11/2010, 09:02 am

Um, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about the 360 being meant only for shooters. Had Microsoft not have been douches, the game would've worked just fine on their console.

As for the PS3, I want one, but I want one with PS2 BC, so yeah, I don't ever plan on getting a PS3 until they add some PS2 BC, but thankfully my PC is a beast that is more then capable of playing BTTF, so I got that going for me.

Can't you find one that is left ?

Also, if your PC is a beast, why don't just play with a ps2 emulator ?

And PS3 wireless pads are PC usb compatible so it's cool ^^ .

Also, I'm having a hard time understanding why you need a PS2 BC. Either you have a ps2 either you don't. If you have one why can't you play it instead ? If you don't, I'm sure you can find one that costs nothing ...

I mean, you get a lot of space on Hard drive, a wifi, a bluray player, you don't have to pay anything for the online (which is cool since you're already paying for xbox live)... etc...

There's no more games coming out on PS2 so I don't see why it makes so unacceptable for you to get a ps3 ... I mean if you don't want to get one OK but stop saying that's for this reason only ... Moreover, the Ps2 BC didn't improve at all how the games runned, and a few of them actually had more trouble. (The ps2 collection games that are remastered are not comparable to the original ps2 titles played on ps3.)

Ashki

12/11/2010, 09:04 am

Can't you find one that is left ?

Also, if your PC is a beast, why don't just play with a ps2 emulator ?

And PS3 wireless pads are PC usb compatible so it's cool ^^ .

Also, I'm having a hard time understanding why you need a PS2 BC. Either you have a ps2 either you don't. If you have one why can't you play it instead ? If you don't, I'm sure you can find one that costs nothing ...

I mean, you get a lot of space on Hard drive, a wifi, a bluray player, you don't have to pay anything for the online (which is cool since you're already paying for xbox live)... etc...

There's no more games coming out on PS2 so I don't see why it makes so unacceptable for you to get a ps3 ... I mean if you don't want to get one OK but stop saying that's for this reason only ... Moreover, the Ps2 BC didn't improve at all how the games runned, and a few of them actually had more trouble. (The ps2 collection games that are remastered are not comparable to the original ps2 titles played on ps3.)

Cause I don't want to play PS2 games on my PC, PS2 games are meant to be played on a television and regular console, and besides, I don't know how to deal with things like ISOs and stuff.

As for having a PS2, I had one, it died, enough said.

And the only reason Sony removed the PS2 BC was because they were to cheap to improve on the PS3's and just flat out removed it instead of improving it.

Shadowknight1

12/11/2010, 09:08 am

Ashki

12/11/2010, 09:09 am

There shouldn't be an issue with that anyways, I don't understand why a Blu-Ray player can play Blu-Rays, DVDs, and CDs, but a PS3 can only play games that are on either Blu-Ray(PS3 games) or CDs(PS1 games). Doesn't make sense to me.

Oh, never mind, I misread the post, but I don't get it either, PS3's are apparently PS1 BC, but I don't get why the Hell they can't work PS2 BC, it does make no sense whatsoever.

Strayth

12/11/2010, 09:19 am

Oh, never mind, I misread the post, but I don't get it either, PS3's are apparently PS1 BC, but I don't get why the Hell they can't work PS2 BC, it does make no sense whatsoever.

Because the PS3 emulates the PS1, while it USED the actual ps2 hardware. It cost money, that's why they removed it.

I mean I assume you guys are not stupid. Cauz it would be like asking "omfg why can't my DVD player play ps2 games ?"

Cause I don't want to play PS2 games on my PC, PS2 games are meant to be played on a television and regular console, and besides, I don't know how to deal with things like ISOs and stuff.

And just like the SNES, the ps2 games are not meant to be played on HD screen....

Ashki

12/11/2010, 09:24 am

Because the PS3 emulates the PS1, while it USED the actual ps2 hardware. It cost money, that's why they removed it.

I mean I assume you guys are not stupid. Cauz it would be like asking "omfg why can't my DVD player play ps2 games ?"

And just like the SNES, the ps2 games are not meant to be played on HD screen....

:rolleyes: Heaven forbid Sony, a multimillion dollar corporation spend some of their precious money to get their PS2 compatibility workable.

Strayth

12/11/2010, 09:30 am

Heaven forbid Sony, a multimillion dollar corporation spend some of their precious money to get their PS2 compatibility workable.

You do know, that except for the Wii, there's not a single console in the history that was sold without losing money when it came out, right ?

Also, the ps3 was super expensive, and the 360 was way ahead. They needed to reduced the price, and thus, the cost, so the lost would be minimized...

Seriously man ...

How about Kinect ? It cost microsoft something like 40 dollars to produce it and they sell it 150 dollars. What about Xbox live ?

Isn't Microsoft world's richest company (or almost) ?

What about Nintendo that is worst than those two and only rely on marketing and advertizing ?

Ashki

12/11/2010, 09:32 am

You do know, that except for the Wii, there's not a single console in the history that was sold without losing money when it came out, right ?

Also, the ps3 was super expensive, and the 360 was way ahead. They needed to reduced the price, and thus, the cost, so the lost would be minimized...

Seriously man ...

How about Kinect ? It cost microsoft something like 40 dollars to produce it and they sell it 150 dollars. What about Xbox live ?

Isn't Microsoft world's richest company (or almost) ?

What about Nintendo that is worst than those two and only rely on marketing and advertizing ?

Well, that's Sony's fault for pricing their console so ridiculously high. My point still stands, until the current generation of PS3's get their PS2 BC back, I'm not getting one.

That may sound ridiculous, but I don't see a reason why I should have both a PS2 and PS3 at the same time when one of them should do the job correctly.

Strayth

12/11/2010, 09:40 am

Well, that's Sony's fault for pricing their console so ridiculously high. My point still stands, until the current generation of PS3's get their PS2 BC back, I'm not getting one.

That may sound ridiculous, but I don't see a reason why I should have both a PS2 and PS3 at the same time when one of them should do the job correctly.

Sony's fault ? They were still losing money on the PS3. The price was indeed ridiculously high, but don't think they just decided to shoot themselves in the foot for no reason >_> ... Seriously man ...

It's not as if you actually had a ps2, you know ...

Moreover, I checked for the PS3 with BC, well I'm french so maybe it's different in the US, but there's one on ebay that costs only 130 bucks...

Shadowknight1

12/11/2010, 09:40 am

I forgot that the old PS3's had to actually use PS2 hardware. My bad. Honestly though, if you want to play PS2 games, you're still better off buying another PS2. Otherwise, you'll have to start every single one of your games over on PS3.

Kinect...as soon as I saw that, my gut instinct was "This is gonna be stupid." And I don't think they've proven me wrong.

As for Nintendo, they keep making money because people enjoy games made by Nintendo. The only real problem with the Wii and the DS is the overabundance of "shovel-ware". Stuff like a billion sports games that pretty much rip off Wii Sports. Why should a game producer put out a really good game that fully utilizes the capabilities of the Wii, both graphically and gameplay wise when you can just put out a few copies of the same game with slightly altered settings and still make the same amount of money? This sadly results in a ****-ton of crappy games that overshadow the truly good ones. Unfortunately, Nintendo's Wii-Ware is almost as un-user-friendly as XBLA when it comes to episodic games, that's why there hasn't been one for it by TellTale since Strong Bad.

Ashki

12/11/2010, 01:55 pm

Sony's fault ? They were still losing money on the PS3. The price was indeed ridiculously high, but don't think they just decided to shoot themselves in the foot for no reason >_> ... Seriously man ...

It's not as if you actually had a ps2, you know ...

Moreover, I checked for the PS3 with BC, well I'm french so maybe it's different in the US, but there's one on ebay that costs only 130 bucks...

Well, shoot themselves in the foot they did. NO console should be $600 at release, that's just ridiculous.

Vainamoinen

12/11/2010, 02:18 pm

Well, shoot themselves in the foot they did. NO console should be $600 at release, that's just ridiculous.

Amen!

Shadowknight1

12/11/2010, 02:26 pm

Agreed. Especially since there really wasn't any spectacularly new technology in the system. It's not something like the Nintendo's upcoming 3DS that incorporates a 3D screen, motion sensor, 3D camera, as well as graphics on par with the Gamecube or the Wii. That's something I expect to be more expensive than the DSi or PSP. The PS3 isn't that much ahead of the 360, so it didn't need to cost that much.

linorn

12/11/2010, 02:28 pm

At the time it was the cheapest available blu-ray player.

Ashki

12/11/2010, 02:29 pm

At the time it was the cheapest available blu-ray player.

Well, the thing there is that at the time, I had a DVD player and had no intention of getting a Blu-Ray player due to how ridiculously priced those were as well.

linorn

12/11/2010, 02:32 pm

My point is that the tech for blu-rays was untested so everything that had the capability of playing them was expensive, and of all the players the PS3 was the cheapest AND it played games.

Ashki

12/11/2010, 02:35 pm

My point is that the tech for blu-rays was untested so everything that had the capability of playing them was expensive, and of all the players the PS3 was the cheapest AND it played games.

And it was still out of the price range of an ordinary person, that's the reason why Sony failed this time around IMO.

meOFF

12/13/2010, 12:53 am

What exactly happened?

Nothing. People will blame Microsoft for anything. People keep repeating what they hear on the internet, so it must be true. When you ask them what happen, you will never get an answer, and the one you get won't have any proof to back it up.

It happened with Bad Company 2. The game was horrible from the beginning. It was really laggy, people were warping and getting kicked alot. Dice tried to blame it on gamers, and they said it enough to where people started to believe them. They eventually fixed the lag, and it was on their end. The people that they had convinced, was telling everyone that it was their connection.

Say something long enough to people who don't have a clue and they will spread the rumor like a wildfire.

doggans

12/13/2010, 03:22 am

Nothing. People will blame Microsoft for anything. People keep repeating what they hear on the internet, so it must be true. When you ask them what happen, you will never get an answer, and the one you get won't have any proof to back it up.

When Wallace and Gromit was being released, the XBLA versions came out a long time after the PC versions, despite being completed at the same time. As I recall, when The Devil's Playhouse came out, the PS3 versions came out concurrently or very shortly after the PC/Mac versions. Maybe it's not airtight proof, but it's certainly evidence that the flaws were in Microsoft's system and not Telltale's.

I'm curious, why are you so desperate to defend Microsoft and dismiss any accusations that their system needs work? They're not exactly an underdog.

meOFF

12/14/2010, 02:40 am

When Wallace and Gromit was being released, the XBLA versions came out a long time after the PC versions, despite being completed at the same time. As I recall, when The Devil's Playhouse came out, the PS3 versions came out concurrently or very shortly after the PC/Mac versions. Maybe it's not airtight proof, but it's certainly evidence that the flaws were in Microsoft's system and not Telltale's.

I'm curious, why are you so desperate to defend Microsoft and dismiss any accusations that their system needs work? They're not exactly an underdog.

It happens all the time. Look at multiplatform games that have been released on the 360 first then alot later on PS3.

Strayth

12/14/2010, 05:01 am

It happens all the time. Look at multiplatform games that have been released on the 360 first then alot later on PS3.

That has absolutely NO link whatsoever...

linorn

12/14/2010, 05:12 am

It happens all the time. Look at multiplatform games that have been released on the 360 first then alot later on PS3.

That's almost solely due to exclusivity deals.

meOFF

12/14/2010, 06:03 pm

That's almost solely due to exclusivity deals.

Says who, speculation?

Shadowknight1

12/14/2010, 06:06 pm

No, that's the way it works. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger Microsoft fanboy...

Origami

12/14/2010, 06:20 pm

It's true though. Not all belated ports are because of exclusive deals.
Mass Effect is a prime example of this. The franchise was never planned to be released on PS3.
There is a chance BttF will appear for the Xbox360.

However slim it may seem at the moment.

Shadowknight1

12/14/2010, 06:33 pm

It's true though. Not all belated ports are because of exclusive deals.
Mass Effect is a prime example of this. The franchise was never planned to be released on PS3.

Which is a shame, but I'm not about to boycott Bioware because they decided to put the game on the 360 only.

Origami

12/14/2010, 06:54 pm

^
I am not sure though.....maybe there was an exclusive deal.
But I guess the point I was trying to make is that exclusive deals do not mean a port will never see the day of the light.

So again; At the moment BttF on Xbox360 seems slim and not to happen in the early distant.

EDIT: Okay...I figured out how to explain it. You have 'exclusive deals' and you have exclusive deals.
The first one means that a game will stay exclusive for a set period of time.
The second one means that the chance of it appearing on another console ever is 0%.
This because either the studio belongs to the console company or that the game was developed to run on one specific console.
An example is Uncharted. It won't be able to run on Xbox360, simple as that.
Other examples are Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and The Last Guardian. All games released by Sony's house development studio.
Games that will never appear on another console but Sony's

Shadowknight1

12/14/2010, 07:45 pm

Exactly Origami, exactly! Now, sometimes it may take quite a while, such as the re-release/port of No More Heroes to the PS3/360 in Japan, but it does happen occasionally, but sometimes it's a done deal, it stays on one console. Dead Rising is a good example, and for the 2nd one, obviously they decided to release it on multiple platforms. But the point is, don't count BTTF out on 360 permanently. Look at the Strongbad game. That was originally PC/Wii. Now it's coming to PS3.

PrivateJoker

12/14/2010, 09:47 pm

Graphic wise this game looks like it could work on Wii.

Shadowknight1

12/15/2010, 03:31 am

It could, very easily. Which is kind of a shame that it's not coming to the Wii, point and click would work very well for the system. :p

The Wii is far more capable than the mass amounts of crappy sports games would have you think. But, as I've said before, few developers take the time to actually develop a game for the Wii. Say what you will about the gameplay for the Sonic games on the Wii(Colors is pretty much the only good one), they looked very pretty for a "low-def" system. Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World looked pretty good too. Obviously games that Nintendo makes themselves for the Wii look fantastic, Super Smash Bros. Brawl and the two Mario Galaxy games for prime example. I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, and I'm well aware that I'm in the minority when I say I care more about fun gameplay and great storytelling over graphics that make you go "HOLY CRAP DID YOU SEE THAT GUY'S BRAINS FLY OUT WHEN I SHOT HIM?!"

RAnthonyMahan

12/15/2010, 03:36 am

Graphic wise this game looks like it could work on Wii.

As a disc release? Maybe. As a WiiWare release (which, if done episodically, it would have to be)? No.

I think Telltale learned their lesson about WiiWare when they had to give Tales of Monkey Island a severe graphical tonedown to make it fit the 40 MB size limit. If you look at the PC and Wii versions of ToMI side-by-side, they almost seem like completely different games.

Speaking of WiiWare, when is Puzzle Agent coming out for it? :confused:

Ash735

12/15/2010, 12:51 pm

As for getting a first gen PS3 on Ebay. Heeeellll no those would be priced way to damn high due to the fact that they're the only PS3's with PS2 BC.

I don't know about where you are, but there are a load of first gen 60GB and 20GB models on Ebay floating around £200 at the moment, which is cheaper than a new Slim console, some also coming with a few games and other stuff, soo, you know, PS2 backwards compatible PS3's don't fetch much on Ebay these days.

...as long as you exclude that one guy who's selling one for £900, the hell is he thinking.

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:10 am

That has to be one of the dumber decisions I've ever seen a developer make.

I sure hope they come to their senses.

Shadowknight1

12/17/2010, 09:14 am

There are like 15 different threads complaining about the 360 not getting BTTF. It's the same answer every time too. It has nothing to do with TellTale Games and everything to do with Microsoft not doing things correctly. They take too long to release TellTale products.

sethf11

12/17/2010, 09:15 am

i would agree 100%!!

the xbox version would sell so many more copies. they would sell more than PS3 as well. More people have xbox360 than PS3 and Ipad combined!

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:16 am

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:16 am

the xbox version would sell so many more copies. they would sell more than PS3 as well. More people have xbox360 than PS3 and Ipad combined!Exactly. It's simple math. You don't have to be Doc Brown!

Carlos85G

12/17/2010, 09:17 am

There are like 15 different threads complaining about the 360 not getting BTTF. It's the same answer every time too.

Shouldn't there be a sticky thread for why the game's not released for the XBox 360?...

Anyway, people wouldn't read it. Happens all the time :(

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:19 am

Shouldn't there be a sticky thread for why the game's not released for the XBox 360?...

Anyway, people woulnd't read it. Happens all the time :(I would read it. The rationale behind this strange decision must be interesting.

Shadowknight1

12/17/2010, 09:20 am

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard and not even true.

It's not an excuse. That's directly from TellTale themselves. They had so many problems with one of their earlier games on the 360 not coming out in a timely fashion and they didn't want to repeat that with Back to the Future. This has been stated several times, and is growing rather wearisome. I agree with Carlos, there should be a sticky about that, but I doubt that anyone would read it, just like no one takes the time to search the forums to see if their issue has been brought up before.

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:21 am

It's not an excuse. That's directly from TellTale themselves. They had so many problems with one of their earlier games on the 360 not coming out in a timely fashion and they didn't want to repeat that with Back to the Future. This has been stated several times, and is growing rather wearisome. I agree with Carlos, there should be a sticky about that, but I doubt that anyone would read it, just like no one takes the time to search the forums to see if their issue has been brought up before.But it's not true. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: Fatal Conspiracy was released for the PC, Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 on Oct. 26th, 2010.

RAnthonyMahan

12/17/2010, 09:24 am

In before the mods merge this into my platform discussion thread. ;)

Anyway, welcome to the boards. To answer your question, Telltale deals in episodic gaming (releasing a short downloadable episode periodically, monthly in Telltale's case, that forms a full game when you look at all the episodes as a whole). Episodic gaming is comparatively easy on the PC, since with digital distribution services like Steam (or Telltale's own store) you can release a game whenever you're ready to. With consoles, it's not so easy. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all get to decide what games appear on their systems, and all third-party games need to go through an approval process before being released. Not to mention that all three console makers get to regulate their console's downloadable gaming service. They decide when the game is released, how you buy the game, how big the game can be, and sometimes even how much the game costs. When they designed these services, they were never really expecting a third-party developer would want to release a new game every month.

Despite the problems of doing episodic gaming on consoles, Telltale has still tried on all three systems. When they released Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People and Tales of Monkey Island on WiiWare, as well as Wallace and Gromit's Grand Adventures on Xbox Live Arcade...

-The episodes were delayed. (Wallace and Gromit was the worst offender, with Episodes 2, 3, and 4 all being released several months after the series finished for the PC. And Puzzle Agent still hasn't come out for WiiWare yet.)
-The episodes cost more money than their PC counterparts.
-You had to buy each episode individually, while with the PC you had the option of buying the entire season in advance.
-In Monkey Island's case, the episodes had to be severely toned down to fit WiiWare's 40 MB size limit.

While when Telltale released Sam and Max: The Devil's Playhouse for the PS3, they had none of these problems.

I know it sucks that BttF (probably) isn't coming to the 360, but at least understand it isn't Telltale's fault. Given all they've had to go through, consider yourself lucky they even bother with consoles at all.

Vainamoinen

12/17/2010, 09:25 am

In before the mods merge this into my platform discussion thread. ;)

But only one minute!!

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:26 am

RAnthonyMahan

12/17/2010, 09:26 am

But it's not true. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: Fatal Conspiracy was released for the PC, Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 on Oct. 26th, 2010.

1. The CSI games have Telltale working in a traditional publisher-developer relationship with Ubisoft, as opposed to developing independently like they usually do. If Ubisoft wants the CSI games on a certain system, Telltale has to develop them for that system.

2. The CSI games are not only not episodic, but exist purely as retail games, so whatever issues Telltale has with a console's downloadable game service is irrelevant there.

jp-30

12/17/2010, 09:35 am

It's not an excuse. That's directly from TellTale themselves.

Really? Got a source for that?

RAnthonyMahan

12/17/2010, 09:36 am

I don't care if the game is 3-4 months late. Why isn't it coming period to the Xbox 360?

Because developing the game for the 360 would probably cost Telltale more money than they could make from it.

Realistically, this game won't sell very well. It'll definitely meet, maybe even surpass Telltale's expectations, but point-and-click adventure games are niche market, and even with the newcomers who will be attracted by the BttF license this game isn't going to break any sales records when you look at the big picture.

Let's pretend Telltale released BttF for every system, including the 360 and the Wii. Let's also assume the 360/Wii versions have the same problems Telltale's earlier attempts at those systems have had. And now we have a (fairly small) pie of people who want the game.

Most people will buy the PC version. It's coming out first, and since Telltale's a PC-oriented developer, the majority of people buying it will want to play the game the way it was intended, if they can.

If somebody doesn't have a gaming-quality computer, or maybe just prefers console gaming, they'll usually get the PS3 version. Even if the PS3 isn't their preferred console, most console gamers who own a PS3 will choose it once they realize it has none of the disadvantages of the 360/Wii versions.

Then we have the people without a quality computer or a PS3. They'll be pretty divided. Some will go with the Wii version for its not-as-bad-as-the-360 delays, while some will go with the 360 for not having reduced graphics. Most people, however, when realizing how much longer they have to wait while the people with systems they don't own have long since beaten the episodes, will probably just go "Fuck it" and give up on the game entirely.

From a business sense, it's better for Telltale to not develop the game for the Xbox 360 than spend money they're not confident they can make back.

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:37 am

Because developing the game for the 360 would probably cost Telltale more money than they could make from it.That has to be one of the dumber statements I've read in a while. Do you know how many Xbox gamers there are and how profitable Xbox Live was in just the first 10 months of 2010?

You clearly have no clue.

Vainamoinen

12/17/2010, 09:39 am

It could, very easily. Which is kind of a shame that it's not coming to the Wii, point and click would work very well for the system. :p

Do you know how many Xbox gamers there are and how profitable Xbox Live was in just the first 10 months of 2010?

I'm one for the greatest possible system plurality, but don't you think that Telltale might know best what's easy and what not, what brings them money and what not, considering their past experiences?

I don't get when people start to assume that this decision could only be founded on stupidity. I don't get that!

Alan Johnson

12/17/2010, 09:41 am

But it's not true. CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: Fatal Conspiracy was released for the PC, Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 on Oct. 26th, 2010.

That game was published by Ubisoft. We developed the game.

HOKIEKC

12/17/2010, 09:43 am

That game was published by Ubisoft. We developed the game.So the reason there is no Xbox 360 version is because things get delayed with MS? So why not just release it 3-4 months from now?

I guess I don't understand why there isn't a Xbox 360 version period.

Alan Johnson

12/17/2010, 09:45 am

So the reason there is no Xbox 360 version is because things get delayed with MS? So why not just release it 3-4 months from now?

I guess I don't understand why there isn't a Xbox 360 version period.

We would like to be on as many platforms as possible. At the moment, there are no plans for Back to the Future to be on Xbox 360 and Wii though. That's really all I can say.

Shadowknight1

12/17/2010, 09:51 am

I'm one for the greatest possible system plurality, but don't you think that Telltale might know best what's easy and what not, what brings them money and what not, considering their past experiences?

I don't get when people start to assume that this decision could only be founded on stupidity. I don't get that!

I certainly don't assume that. I figured there was a reason it wasn't coming to the Wii, despite the idea that it would translate very well. Nor do I really care. I'd only really be upset if PC had been the only option. :D

RAnthonyMahan

12/17/2010, 10:10 am

That has to be one of the dumber statements I've read in a while. Do you know how many Xbox gamers there are and how profitable Xbox Live was in just the first 10 months of 2010?

You clearly have no clue.

Again, you're looking at gaming in general without thinking specifically about Telltale and what they do.

Yes, there are a lot of Xbox gamers. However, only a small fraction of them would be interested in a point-and-click adventure game, and even less would stay interested after having to put up with XBLA's delays. Also, since you're playing the "more people own it" card, the Wii is the best-selling console of this generation, yet most third-party games ignore it. Why? Because those games aren't meant for the Wii, and they don't want to waste their time and money on a problematic (and most likely unprofitable) port. Same deal here.

Yes, Xbox Live is extremely profitable...because of games designed for use with Xbox Live. A game meant for the PC, given huge delays and raised prices, and released on another console without said delays and raised prices, won't be as profitable.

Anyway, this argument is starting to get ugly, so I'm going to drop out before it gets the chance to get worse. In the meantime, it's best to just accept that BttF isn't coming to the 360 (at least for the time being). Yeah, it sucks, but Telltale isn't doing it for the 360 because it'd be more trouble than it's worth, not because they want to screw 360 gamers over.

(Sheesh, the "Put BttF on the 360" complainers are almost enough to make me miss the "Bring back the Sam and Max Hit the Road voice actors" complainers.)

Vainamoinen

12/17/2010, 10:15 am

(Sheesh, the "Put BttF on the 360" complainers are almost enough to make me miss the "Bring back the Sam and Max Hit the Road voice actors" complainers.)

Glad I missed THAT time! ;)

Zepton

12/17/2010, 11:20 am

I'm conflicted:

:) Now, I feel lucky that BTTF is coming out on PS3 at all!

:( Now, I feel bad that people with only Xbox or Wii don't get BTTF at all!

I guess, I'm more happy that it's going to be on PS3 than sad for other people, though. I'm a bit selfish

jp-30

12/17/2010, 11:40 am

Telltale have put games on the Xbox download service (Wallace & Gromit), but it was a disaster, as has been mentioned before due to Microsoft not releasing the episodes in conjunction with the PC/Mac releases.

They've tried it, it doesn't suit their business model. Blame Microsoft, not Telltale for the situation.

doggans

12/17/2010, 02:53 pm

I don't care if the game is 3-4 months late. Why isn't it coming period to the Xbox 360?

Nobody said it was NEVER coming to Xbox. The first two seasons of Sam and Max came out on Xbox long after the other platforms.

Shadowknight1

12/17/2010, 03:09 pm

Precisely.

We would like to be on as many platforms as possible. At the moment, there are no plans for Back to the Future to be on Xbox 360 and Wii though. That's really all I can say.

That could easily mean that in the future, they may bring it to the other consoles. There are always possibilities.

zmally

12/17/2010, 10:33 pm

people criticise Wallace & Gromit's performance on XBLA, but no-one criticises W&G's performance as a PC title do they? From what I understand, the game sold quite poorly on all platforms, TTG's own download service included, so why penalise the xbox gamers out there?

I used to try downloading my TTG games for the Wii, then I gave up and started getting them all as downloads for the PC - now I buy them all for Xbox 360 too, purely becuase I like the play the games on the sofa rather than a desk, given a choice. But as a die hard TTG fan I own two or more copies of nearly every release!

I have already paid for BttF download, but I'd much prefer the option to buy it for the Xbox too, either on xbla or at retail. I'd feel a lot better with some kind of "unofficial" "don't worry folks, we haven't forgotten the xbox 360 just yet ;)"

Forrest_GIMP

12/17/2010, 11:34 pm

That has to be one of the dumber statements I've read in a while. Do you know how many Xbox gamers there are and how profitable Xbox Live was in just the first 10 months of 2010?

You clearly have no clue.

You're the one without a clue. You seem to think Live is the land of milk and honey for dev's. It's not.

Go ask Introversion, a great indy PC dev who's game Darwinia was ported to the xbox at great expense and sold so poorly the company was on the urge of going out of business until they were saved with a little help from Valve via a Steam sale and the addition of achievements into one of their old games.

A similar story was the one of ACE Team's "Zeno Clash", a brilliant PC indy game that was ported and sold pathetically on Live. Some games are suited better to some markets, and adventure games are always going to sell better on PC. When you factor in MS staggering the episodic release dates in a completely random way, then it just leads to frustration and the realization that it's not worth the effort of making a 360 port.

WinterSnowblind

12/18/2010, 01:28 am

Again, you're looking at gaming in general without thinking specifically about Telltale and what they do.

Yes, there are a lot of Xbox gamers. However, only a small fraction of them would be interested in a point-and-click adventure game, and even less would stay interested after having to put up with XBLA's delays. Also, since you're playing the "more people own it" card, the Wii is the best-selling console of this generation, yet most third-party games ignore it. Why? Because those games aren't meant for the Wii, and they don't want to waste their time and money on a problematic (and most likely unprofitable) port. Same deal here.

Yes, Xbox Live is extremely profitable...because of games designed for use with Xbox Live. A game meant for the PC, given huge delays and raised prices, and released on another console without said delays and raised prices, won't be as profitable.

Anyway, this argument is starting to get ugly, so I'm going to drop out before it gets the chance to get worse. In the meantime, it's best to just accept that BttF isn't coming to the 360 (at least for the time being). Yeah, it sucks, but Telltale isn't doing it for the 360 because it'd be more trouble than it's worth, not because they want to screw 360 gamers over.

(Sheesh, the "Put BttF on the 360" complainers are almost enough to make me miss the "Bring back the Sam and Max Hit the Road voice actors" complainers.)

While I somewhat agree with what you're saying, why would the game perform any better on the PS3? Releasing the episodes in conjunction should certainly help, but that only goes against your argument. The fact Sam & Max, etc, sold so poorly on the 360 previously was because of the huge delays, not necessarily because there isn't an audience, but by that time anyone who might have been interested likely already would have played the games else where.

Perhaps it's Microsoft's fault for not handling the episodic format in the same manor as the PS3, but have Telltale ever said this is the problem? MS seem far better at keeping to release dates for XBLA and realising them worldwide in comparasion to the PSN, even if they wouldn't accommodate a subscription system for automatically getting each of the episodes, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be willing to simply release one each month.

Hangman522

12/18/2010, 10:31 am

Except it's just common knowledge than 95 percent of multiplatform games sell better on 360 than PS3, also XBLA gets way more sales than the PSN. (Look at Pacman DX) Way more people bought it on 360 than PS3. The point is it's a dumb idea to not bring games to platforms the sell more titles.

As for this W&G stuff the series wasn't very interesting. That's why it didn't sell. ALSO I believe the remakes of monkey island have sold decently on XBLA so whoever said point and click games would never sell is wrong. Good ones will.

You're the one without a clue. You seem to think Live is the land of milk and honey for dev's. It's not.

Go ask Introversion, a great indy PC dev who's game Darwinia was ported to the xbox at great expense and sold so poorly the company was on the urge of going out of business until they were saved with a little help from Valve via a Steam sale and the addition of achievements into one of their old games.

A similar story was the one of ACE Team's "Zeno Clash", a brilliant PC indy game that was ported and sold pathetically on Live. Some games are suited better to some markets, and adventure games are always going to sell better on PC. When you factor in MS staggering the episodic release dates in a completely random way, then it just leads to frustration and the realization that it's not worth the effort of making a 360 port.

aeromike10

12/18/2010, 03:10 pm

wow- this thread is quite rocky! I can understand people being a bit upset that BTTF isn't announced for xbox, but online market wise. Xbox's online is heavily based on people playing multiplayer. PS3's online is heavily based on people downloading games, from PS1 games to ps minis and films from 'Love film' and bbc i player, 4od, itv. so its more or a right move for BTTF to be with sony's market place.

I heard on the forums somewhere that Sam and Max didn't do to well on the xbox as a download, and was better when released onto a finalized disc so there is still hope yet for an xbox release!
As annoying as it is, its happening and people who don't have PS3's who are itching to have it will have to make do with the PC version

Vainamoinen

12/18/2010, 03:16 pm

Thanks - and welcome. ;)

Strayth

12/18/2010, 03:17 pm

Hey, mister V, you should just make sure that this thread doesn't turn (anymore) into a console war. I mean, it's not the point, since Telltale didn't choose one platform over another arbitrary, they just did what they could.

Vainamoinen

12/18/2010, 03:30 pm

Wait... wasn't that the whole point of the "platform discussion"? Letting the consoleros fight to the death?? :D

All right, OK, a lot of people need to vent because of the Xbox being left out (maybe only for the moment!). That's why I really appreciate mediating posts like the one above...

Shadowknight1

12/18/2010, 03:34 pm

Heck, I'm one of the ones with a PS3 and a PC, but I do feel bad that BTTF isn't being spread as much as it can. Again, at least for now. We'll see what develops...in the future. ;)

Strayth

12/18/2010, 03:34 pm

No they can complain about the fact that it's not coming on Xbox.

Trying to spit on the other platforms just to claim how wrong Telltale's "choice" was (it's not even a choice but heh) is really pointless in my opinion.

I mean, there's already enough trouble right now (no PSN and Ipad release date, no Xbox version, etc...) for us not to flame another because we prefer one platform over another one ^^' .

It's not an "exclusive" deal of some sort, it's just what they could do.

Vainamoinen

12/18/2010, 03:36 pm

Enough with the spitting! Enough with the spitting!

Strayth

12/18/2010, 03:40 pm

Effective moderator in action ! :D

Anyway, back on topic, who is like, super affraid the PSN release will be like the "free episode", meaning : Febuary :O ?

I seriously hope not ! :(

Vainamoinen

12/18/2010, 03:42 pm

Well, not if TTG can prevent that. It's not like the PC customers, when the episodes are not online, TTG doesn't get the money. ;)

Shadowknight1

12/18/2010, 04:05 pm

Effective moderator in action ! :D

Anyway, back on topic, who is like, super affraid the PSN release will be like the "free episode", meaning : Febuary :O ?

I seriously hope not ! :(

I've honestly got that feeling, that's why I've decided that, even if I can only play it in very low res, I'm getting BTTF on my laptop for now. Now, if it turns out that I'm wrong, oh well. I'll have BTTF on my laptop for portable gaming and on my PS3 for high-def gaming. No biggie. :)

Forrest_GIMP

12/19/2010, 12:11 am

Except it's just common knowledge than 95 percent of multiplatform games sell better on 360 than PS3, also XBLA gets way more sales than the PSN. (Look at Pacman DX) Way more people bought it on 360 than PS3. The point is it's a dumb idea to not bring games to platforms the sell more titles.

As for this W&G stuff the series wasn't very interesting. That's why it didn't sell. ALSO I believe the remakes of monkey island have sold decently on XBLA so whoever said point and click games would never sell is wrong. Good ones will.

95% is absurd. There are still plenty of games that sell better on PC than they do on the consoles. Games that are PC oriented like RTS games such as C&C and Supreme Commander will never sell as well on consoles. A huge market of Indy games exist on PC only because it's too expensive or too risky to make a console version, games like Killing Floor, Red Orchestra, Amnesia etc.

If these games were all but guaranteed to sell better on consoles, then that's where they would be - they wouldn't be PC exclusives. My point is, is that porting a game over to the 360 isn't cheap, and there is absolutely no guarantee that it would be worth their time and effort, and that it would make them money. I gave 2 examples of great games that crashed and burned on Live, whilst doing very well on PC because of the differing tastes of many gamers on those platforms.

zmally

12/19/2010, 11:07 am

i think the problem is when bttf was announced, it was announced for "all major platforms" - i think the 360 and wii are major platforms, but personally the ipad isn't. Am i wrong?

Hangman522

12/20/2010, 12:53 pm

95% is absurd. There are still plenty of games that sell better on PC than they do on the consoles. Games that are PC oriented like RTS games such as C&C and Supreme Commander will never sell as well on consoles. A huge market of Indy games exist on PC only because it's too expensive or too risky to make a console version, games like Killing Floor, Red Orchestra, Amnesia etc.

If these games were all but guaranteed to sell better on consoles, then that's where they would be - they wouldn't be PC exclusives. My point is, is that porting a game over to the 360 isn't cheap, and there is absolutely no guarantee that it would be worth their time and effort, and that it would make them money. I gave 2 examples of great games that crashed and burned on Live, whilst doing very well on PC because of the differing tastes of many gamers on those platforms.

I agree that RTS's are better on PC but Halo Wars was great on 360, it also probably sold more than most PC games that year. There is a reason that Crysis 2 is being made for consoles and not just PC. PC gaming is dying (sorry but its true) Also, Modern Warfare 2 on 360 outsold every other platform. And finally, the games you said crashed and burned was because they aren't amazing, (not bad either) and also had no PR behind them. Promoting is everything. And TellTale have done a solid job of promoting most of their games. If they bring them to Xbox Live than that version will outsell the PSN easily. I guarantee they make more than their money back.

Forrest_GIMP

12/20/2010, 09:59 pm

I agree that RTS's are better on PC but Halo Wars was great on 360, it also probably sold more than most PC games that year. There is a reason that Crysis 2 is being made for consoles and not just PC. PC gaming is dying (sorry but its true) Also, Modern Warfare 2 on 360 outsold every other platform. And finally, the games you said crashed and burned was because they aren't amazing, (not bad either) and also had no PR behind them. Promoting is everything. And TellTale have done a solid job of promoting most of their games. If they bring them to Xbox Live than that version will outsell the PSN easily. I guarantee they make more than their money back.

Crysis 1 sold above expectations according to EA (1.5 million was the figure in mid 2008). It certainly sold more than "Halo Wars", which was so watered down it can barely be called an RTS. The reason why Crysis 2 is going multiplatform is simple... 3 markets are bigger than 1.

Tell me, how many 3rd party dev's/publishers are bringing out exclusive games for the consoles these days? I'll give you a hint. It's a LOT less than the amount of exclusives being released for PC.

http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2010/

Give that a look and try and honestly say that PC gaming is dying. Take a look at next years exclusives and tell me that any consoles can match the likes of The Witcher 2, Diablo 3, Red Orchestra 2, Guild Wars 2, The Old Republic, Shogun 2 etc.

And please, tell me why more formally console only games have been ported to PC this gen?

edit: Oh, and mod's, I'm really sorry, I know you don't want to read this, and I'm not enjoying turning this thread into a console/pc war, but sometimes people need to be educated.

Strayth

12/21/2010, 12:44 am

Take a look at next years exclusives and tell me that any consoles can match the likes of The Witcher 2, Diablo 3, Red Orchestra 2, Guild Wars 2, The Old Republic, Shogun 2 etc.

You really should remove MMORPG from that list. Also, the Witcher 2 will be on consoles :) .

Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, The Last Guardian, Nino Kuni, Final Fantasy versus XIII, Gears of War 3, Yakuza, Little big planet 2 then you get the console exclusives on both system that aren't on PC (for instance you can't play games like MGS Rising, you also don't have "Red Dead Redemption" which is "the game of the year", or things like that)

Starcraft 2 might come to consoles, so is Diablo 3, and Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 already are. So really, Pc gaming isn't doing so good. If you remove MMORPGs (which aren't regular games).

Forrest_GIMP

12/21/2010, 01:16 am

You really should remove MMORPG from that list. Also, the Witcher 2 will be on consoles :) .

Uncharted 3, Infamous 2, The Last Guardian, Nino Kuni, Final Fantasy versus XIII, Gears of War 3, Yakuza, Little big planet 2 then you get the console exclusives on both system that aren't on PC (for instance you can't play games like MGS Rising, you also don't have "Red Dead Redemption" which is "the game of the year", or things like that)

Starcraft 2 might come to consoles, so is Diablo 3, and Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 already are. So really, Pc gaming isn't doing so good. If you remove MMORPGs (which aren't regular games).

Why should I remove MMO's from the list? Why doesn't a whole genre count?

The witcher 2 may come to consoles, the dev's have said they are interest in bringing it over. That's it, nothings been confirmed and if it does happen, it will arrive much, much later.

MGS: Rising is coming to PC, I bet that's a surprise, huh? but I guess they are releasing it on PC out of the goodness of their hearts, not because it makes economic sense. SC2 isn't coming to consoles, nothing has been said about it. Diablo 3 also isn't coming, and if it did, it would be on the next gen consoles.

And I love how you have to combine 2 consoles exclusives list to even come up with a response. The fact is (and I mean it, it's a fact, not my opinion), is that the PC receives a larger amount of exclusives than any console, and yes, even the two HD consoles put together. Just go have a look at the list I posted. Take a gander in the 2011 section. The amount of exclusive is staggering.

What you have to understand is that there is a huge section of the gaming industry that won't touch consoles until they have the financial security of a few successful PC games. I urge you to open your mind a little and go have a look at the like of Red Orchestra 2, Torchlight 2, Grim Dawn, The Ball, Killing Floor, Minecraft, Subversion, Amnesia, Zombie Driver, The Void, STALKER, Cryostasis, Mount & Blade, The Path, Audiosurf etc etc

These are all amazing, original games in their own right. What they don't have is a multi-million dollar marketing budget behind them, but they don't need it to be profitable, because they can rely on digital distribution. Look where we are posting, Telltale wouldn't exist and thrive without the DD scene on PC, and they are great example of a PC dev who have carefully dipped their toes into console development and has been prepared to pull out when things went bad, ala Wallace & Gromit on 360. But the PC has always been there to fall back on, until they switched over to PSN and have obviously found success on Sony's service.

PC gaming isn't dying, it's been changing shape and in turn, changing the way the industry does business, not just for the PC scene now, but for the consoles of the future.

Hangman522

12/21/2010, 07:15 pm

Why should I remove MMO's from the list? Why doesn't a whole genre count?

The witcher 2 may come to consoles, the dev's have said they are interest in bringing it over. That's it, nothings been confirmed and if it does happen, it will arrive much, much later.

MGS: Rising is coming to PC, I bet that's a surprise, huh? but I guess they are releasing it on PC out of the goodness of their hearts, not because it makes economic sense. SC2 isn't coming to consoles, nothing has been said about it. Diablo 3 also isn't coming, and if it did, it would be on the next gen consoles.

And I love how you have to combine 2 consoles exclusives list to even come up with a response. The fact is (and I mean it, it's a fact, not my opinion), is that the PC receives a larger amount of exclusives than any console, and yes, even the two HD consoles put together. Just go have a look at the list I posted. Take a gander in the 2011 section. The amount of exclusive is staggering.

What you have to understand is that there is a huge section of the gaming industry that won't touch consoles until they have the financial security of a few successful PC games. I urge you to open your mind a little and go have a look at the like of Red Orchestra 2, Torchlight 2, Grim Dawn, The Ball, Killing Floor, Minecraft, Subversion, Amnesia, Zombie Driver, The Void, STALKER, Cryostasis, Mount & Blade, The Path, Audiosurf etc etc

These are all amazing, original games in their own right. What they don't have is a multi-million dollar marketing budget behind them, but they don't need it to be profitable, because they can rely on digital distribution. Look where we are posting, Telltale wouldn't exist and thrive without the DD scene on PC, and they are great example of a PC dev who have carefully dipped their toes into console development and has been prepared to pull out when things went bad, ala Wallace & Gromit on 360. But the PC has always been there to fall back on, until they switched over to PSN and have obviously found success on Sony's service.

PC gaming isn't dying, it's been changing shape and in turn, changing the way the industry does business, not just for the PC scene now, but for the consoles of the future.

How can you call any game you've never played amazing? Also, the interest for PC games are dying too. Crysis sold 1.5 mil you said, thats ok and that's for a few reasons: 1. Not many people could afford a PC that could play that game, and also more people would rather play games on their consoles. Crytek decided to be smart this time around and release their game on consoles so they could make money. The constant upgraded for PC gaming is a pain in the butt and people would rather buy one console for 300 bucks than keep putting money into their computer. As for MMO's that's great, PC gaming is becoming a one trick pony. DC Universe Online is coming out for PS3, you can say we're not educated all you want, you're just in denial that console gaming controls the market.

Ash735

12/21/2010, 10:58 pm

If they bring them to Xbox Live than that version will outsell the PSN easily. I guarantee they make more than their money back.

Can I just actually point out to you, the Xbox 360 has sold more than the PS3, ...In America, In Europe, Japan, etc, The PS3 is the higher selling console of the two (we all know Wii is in it's own time zone).

I'm also going to point out that Germany, which is in Europe, has an extremely huge fanbase for Adventure Games, and they do brilliant sale wise there, one of the first countries to actually get ToMI boxed at retail, etc. Autumn Moon actually throw their games out in Germany first because of that reason.

But do you see the connection? It might not make sense to you if you're in America, but Adventure Games tend to do a lot better in Europe and right now, between the Xbox 360 and the PS3, the PS3 is the higher selling console there.

I hope that at least shines a light on the subject but if I'm really honest, of course it's down to how Sony treated them, we all know about those issues with Microsoft and Nintendo, etc, but I would really be interested in seeing the sales figures for Telltale Games on the Consoles, between all of them so then we can get a nice idea about why TellTale swing in the directions they do.

Forrest_GIMP

12/21/2010, 11:34 pm

How can you call any game you've never played amazing? Also, the interest for PC games are dying too. Crysis sold 1.5 mil you said, thats ok and that's for a few reasons: 1. Not many people could afford a PC that could play that game, and also more people would rather play games on their consoles. Crytek decided to be smart this time around and release their game on consoles so they could make money. The constant upgraded for PC gaming is a pain in the butt and people would rather buy one console for 300 bucks than keep putting money into their computer. As for MMO's that's great, PC gaming is becoming a one trick pony. DC Universe Online is coming out for PS3, you can say we're not educated all you want, you're just in denial that console gaming controls the market.

Crisis sold 1.5 million as of 2 and half years ago, not to date, and you say interest in PC gaming is dying, yet you have produced NOTHING to show this, just some generalised crap about "upgrading being a pain" and "people would rather buy a console". It's almost insulting that I've taken the time to write a huge post about what (in my opinion) is best about PC gaming right now (that being the middle-budget releases that rarely see a console release), when all you can come up with is "PC is a one trick pony".

I'm not saying that console users are uneducated, but I am saying you are. And just to make sure I'm practising what I preach, here are some articles to back my points up:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/10/26/blizzard-pc-gaming-is-not-dying/1

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14377-bioware-pc-not-dying-transitioning/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10291692-1.html

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259680

http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/08/02/09/valve-pc-gaming-is-thriving

http://www.thegamersblog.com/2010/04/16/pc-gaming-market-pcgaming-desktop-computers/

Those articles are full of facts and figures, of which I'm sure most would surprise you.

And hear is another article just to highlight the stupidity of your argument from IGN:
http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html - Is PC gaming dying? from 2001

Yet hear we are almost 10 years later, with more PC releases then ever before, and as many exclusives as there have ever been.

Hangman522

12/22/2010, 09:59 am

Crisis sold 1.5 million as of 2 and half years ago, not to date, and you say interest in PC gaming is dying, yet you have produced NOTHING to show this, just some generalised crap about "upgrading being a pain" and "people would rather buy a console". It's almost insulting that I've taken the time to write a huge post about what (in my opinion) is best about PC gaming right now (that being the middle-budget releases that rarely see a console release), when all you can come up with is "PC is a one trick pony".

I'm not saying that console users are uneducated, but I am saying you are. And just to make sure I'm practising what I preach, here are some articles to back my points up:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/10/26/blizzard-pc-gaming-is-not-dying/1

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14377-bioware-pc-not-dying-transitioning/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10291692-1.html

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259680

http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/08/02/09/valve-pc-gaming-is-thriving

http://www.thegamersblog.com/2010/04/16/pc-gaming-market-pcgaming-desktop-computers/

Those articles are full of facts and figures, of which I'm sure most would surprise you.

And hear is another article just to highlight the stupidity of your argument from IGN:
http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/092/092316p1.html - Is PC gaming dying? from 2001

Yet hear we are almost 10 years later, with more PC releases then ever before, and as many exclusives as there have ever been.

Please tell me why console games still outsell PC games and why over 75 percent of PC games don't sell. Tell me why most Gamestops have walls dedicated to console games but a small kiosk for PC games? Developers aren't happy with PC gaming due to piracy, a major problem on their platform. Thanks to that less and less people are going to develop for the PC as console gaming continues to dominate the market. It's all about money.

Zepton

12/22/2010, 11:31 am

Hangman522

12/22/2010, 11:36 am

Arguement's heating up.

Hmm... stores do seem to carry more console games than PC games. It is all about the money. Piracy does happen. You should probably get some articles like he has, though, or he'll tear through your arguement.

Computers do have us console gamers beat in RTS and Sim games. If I was gonna get back into RTS games, I'd probably go back to PC. If only they'd make a console version of the mouse... then we could be unstoppable! :D

Console or computer, gaming is fun. I wish many long years of gaming for all. :)

I mean if I had more time I would grab some articles, however doing christmas stuff takes priority. I mean, i'm not too frustrated. I'm just giving him common knowledge facts.

Yes the PS3 outsells in a lot of other places, but xbox still has sold more total units and still has a much more dedicated service.

Strayth

12/22/2010, 11:41 am

Yes the PS3 outsells in a lot of other places, but xbox still has sold more total units and still has a much more dedicated service.

Actually, it has only 4 millions over the ps3.

Which is not much since it got out one year before with absolutely nothing else. (And remember all the first models of 360 were cheaply produced and the vast majority got a ROD)

This year, the Ps3 sold more, worldwide.

But it's true that the America is clearly in favor of the 360. Kinect (while being completely pointless, and lying through its marketing that sells it as a revolution in the way of playing...) will also probably help Microsoft keep the upper hand in America.

Though it doesn't have that much dedicated service. The PSN improved a lot. (and since you can buy with real money, it's usually cheaper...)

Both systems are great and have their pros and cons. I'm glad I have both of them.

Though the XBLA doesn't allow Telltale to release an episodic game the way they would want to.

So please, no console wars since it's not their choice !

Hangman522

12/22/2010, 02:58 pm

Actually, it has only 4 millions over the ps3.

Which is not much since it got out one year before with absolutely nothing else. (And remember all the first models of 360 were cheaply produced and the vast majority got a ROD)

This year, the Ps3 sold more, worldwide.

But it's true that the America is clearly in favor of the 360. Kinect (while being completely pointless, and lying through its marketing that sells it as a revolution in the way of playing...) will also probably help Microsoft keep the upper hand in America.

Though it doesn't have that much dedicated service. The PSN improved a lot. (and since you can buy with real money, it's usually cheaper...)

Both systems are great and have their pros and cons. I'm glad I have both of them.

Though the XBLA doesn't allow Telltale to release an episodic game the way they would want to.

So please, no console wars since it's not their choice !

I know over the last 6 months Xbox has sold the most hardware and they will continue to do so thanks to Kinect. Plus Kinect is actually pretty cool. It doesn't revolutionize anything, but it allows more people to experience games. (It's much better than the move). I don't care if it's not episodic, I will wait for a complete package (which is what I would rather do.) Plus Telltale put out ToMI in bundle form on PSN for 20 bucks, that can be done on Live too.

Ash735

12/22/2010, 03:08 pm

Plus Telltale put out ToMI in bundle form on PSN for 20 bucks, that can be done on Live too.

See, I assume you don't own a PS3. Tales of Monkey Island was still a subscription, the way it was offered on the PSN is that you bought the whole Season Pass (Similar to pre-Ordering), and then you got five separate downloads, one for each episode, all at once instead of waiting a month between them.

The same has been done for Strong Bad, all the episodes are separate downloads but are purchased under one Subscription Licence.

Sisyphus

12/22/2010, 03:35 pm

I don't care one whit about console warfare. I just want the blasted game to be released. :o

Hangman522

12/22/2010, 05:49 pm

See, I assume you don't own a PS3. Tales of Monkey Island was still a subscription, the way it was offered on the PSN is that you bought the whole Season Pass (Similar to pre-Ordering), and then you got five separate downloads, one for each episode, all at once instead of waiting a month between them.

The same has been done for Strong Bad, all the episodes are separate downloads but are purchased under one Subscription Licence.

I do own a PS3, as I've said in previous posts. And while I like it, I prefer the Xbox. I also got ToMI on PS3 and if you can buy something in full on the PSN like that, you should be able to on 360 too.

Ash735

12/22/2010, 06:13 pm

I do own a PS3, as I've said in previous posts. And while I like it, I prefer the Xbox. I also got ToMI on PS3 and if you can buy something in full on the PSN like that, you should be able to on 360 too.

But it's the Xbox that doesn't allow that, See, from Telltale's view, on the PS3, all they have to do is port the episodes as they are into the PS3's format and link them all to one Licence.

On the Xbox, they had to combine all the episodes into one Launcher, keep it under 2GB and then are limited to 12 Achievements.

Tales of Monkey Island was only around 200MB-250MB an episode on the PS3, so essentially it could fit on the Xbox, they'd have to cut out all the Achievements from the PS3 and only choose 12 of them for the entire Season, but Monkey Island could be done if they do it the same way as Sam & Max Season 1 and 2.

Sam & Max Season 3 gets a bit more complicated, when all the episodes are combined, it goes over the 2GB limit, so that would mean compressing the game even more to fit in the limits, and again of course do the same they done for S1 and 2 by re-coding a completely new launcher to take care of all the episodes, and then do what would have to be done with Monkey Island which is get rid of all the PS3 achievements and then choose 12 of them.

So, yeah, when put like that you can see why even BEFORE getting Microsoft involved it's already more work for Telltale to port it on Xbox, when that's done, THEN they have to jump through Microsofts hoops to get it accepted and put on the Arcade.

Where as on the PS3, as they do the PC/MAC Episodes, all they have to do is take the PS3 template of the controls, and then just quickly compile the episode as a PS3 Program and then tag it for the Subscription Licence.

Forrest_GIMP

12/22/2010, 06:26 pm

Please tell me why console games still outsell PC games and why over 75 percent of PC games don't sell. Tell me why most Gamestops have walls dedicated to console games but a small kiosk for PC games? Developers aren't happy with PC gaming due to piracy, a major problem on their platform. Thanks to that less and less people are going to develop for the PC as console gaming continues to dominate the market. It's all about money.

Please tell me why you can't back up your "argument" with anything other than pie-in-the-sky figures you've pulled out of your behind?

http://www.1up.com/media?id=3868411&type=lg

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32120/Report_Total_US_Game_Spend_To_Hit_247B_In_2010.php

I'm going to assume that you're able to read a pie chart, I hope that's not asking too much. As you can see, PC gaming equates to 51% of gaming revenue in the US alone, and that's the weakest PC market. In Germany, for example, PC gaming accounts for more than 70% of gaming revenue.

The reason why you don't see many PC games in your local gamestop is for a couple of reasons. PC retail has taken a big hit over the past few years, whilst digital distribution has risen substantially, to the point where more money is made from DD sales on PC than retail. Another reason gamestop don't like to give much shelf space to PC games is that they can't re-sell PC games, and gamestop make a huge chunk of their profits from second hand games.

It you look at that chart, you will see that PC games (retail+DD) MINUS mmo's, casual games and social network games (ala facebook games like farmville) equate to $4.6 billion in revenue, whilst all 5 consoles together (the figure includes DS and PSP) add up to $10.6 billion. That's a huge figure, it's simply undeniable.

Even after all this, however, I could have just asked you why developers still make PC games? Why would they engage in something that isn't financially viable? Why have more games been released this year on PC than any console, and why have we seen an increase of formally console only titles on PC?

If you want to continue this debate, then come back with some solid information, otherwise I think it's time to concede. You've offered nothing towards your argument so far, and I'm not one to keep banging my head against a brick wall because someone is unable to accept the fact's, even when they have been shoved in their face.