View Full Version : Connecting the Dots (MAJOR SPOILERS)
I would call this Bosco's Consperacy Theory Cornor, but I'm afraid that it would get a different kind of reply/reaction.
Anyway, I think I figured out a few things involving the connections between each episode that go deeper than how each episode ends.
I figure that Hugh Bliss is to blame for everything that is going on. Here's why:
Brady Culture's Easter Egg Bio on "Oh, Is He Still Alive?" meantions that he was in Prismatology for a while, the religon started by Hugh Bliss. It is possible that Hugh hypnotized him, possibly to create the Home for Child Stars to hypnotize people for whatever dimented reason that may be.
Harry Moleman must have apparently been a member of the "Home" somehow. Upon finding out who he really is, Hugh must have hypnotized and ordered him to replace the current Don Ted E. Bear in order to creat a factory of hypnobears.
As a distraction, Bliss had Culture hypnotize the Soda Poppers to create a distraction so that the police (reads: Sam & Max) won't suspect a thing.
Myra says that Hugh has been a guest on her show multiple times in the past. Chances are pretty high that he planted the Hypnobear after they were made and got her as well. Barring, of course, the line about the gift being from annoymous well-wishers.
Hey, it may be out of order as far as logic goes, but that's what I can piece right now.
And here are my assumptions as to what may end up happening:
That special bear that was delivered to Bosco may end up hypnotizing him. Same goes for any bears that were able to get delivered between when The Toy Mafia started to mass produce them and when Sam & Max blew up the factory.
I don't have a clue about what Plan B may be all about, but I have a feeling given the next episode's title that it may involve an Lincon animatronic. In which case, if that holds true, I say bring on the anti-Disney Jokes!:D
I'll add to this once the next episode comes out to the rest of the world, seeing how I don't have a GameTap membership. Here's hoping I get close to what the writers are really doing.
numble
02/09/2007, 10:36 pm
Aliens, the moon, and Bosco finally getting kidnapped by them.
I think everybody should make 3 guesses.
jp-30
02/10/2007, 04:19 am
Cockroaches, orbiting satellite and Sybill being murdered (properly).
Sir Lemming
02/10/2007, 10:21 am
Question: if the mole was under hypnosis by Hugh Bliss when he was replacing Ted E. Bear, would Sam have been able to hypnotize him?
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Question: if the mole was under hypnosis by Hugh Bliss when he was replacing Ted E. Bear, would Sam have been able to hypnotize him?
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He was able to do that with the Soda Poppers, so I don't see a reason why not? Besides... there are various levels of hypnosis in most of these kind of plots, and each can be overwriten in some kind of manner. I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason Max can't be hypnotized is because Hugh Bliss got to him first through the Emetics book, which would make an interesting puzzle since Max can't be KO'd to make him "destroy the intruder in your dream."
My guess is the hierarchy is like Culture being the hack that he is got the weakest abilities passed on to him. Harry got the next level up, seeing how he was able to mass produce the hypnosis effects and effect Myra in the process without having her go all "zombie tone" like the Soda Poppers. If the Max theory holds true, then Bliss is the highest level of them all, because Max appears to be completely normal... well, as normal as he can get, at least.
Maratanos
02/10/2007, 12:21 pm
Really? I don't recall Sam Ever hypnotizing the Soda Poppers...
Technically, he didn't. But he was able to control them while they were hypnotized which should not have been the case if Culture was at the level of Harry.
That being said, Harry being able to be hypnotized probably has something to do whatever will happen in Episode 4.
Maratanos
02/10/2007, 12:49 pm
Oh, you mean in the final scene?
Sir Lemming
02/10/2007, 01:50 pm
Sam didn't re-hypnotize them, though; he controlled them while they were hypnotized. In this case he used the bear to hypnotize the mole...
I'm not being completely serious here, by the way, but I'm playing along.
Maratanos
02/10/2007, 02:35 pm
In the ultimate irony, I predict that if Hugh Bliss really is behind all of this, it'll turn out that he really is an alien, too... See this post. (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19969&postcount=334)
That wouldn't surprise me either.
numble
02/10/2007, 04:28 pm
In what episode will Chuckles be taken care of, if any?
Maratanos
02/10/2007, 05:03 pm
Probably the very next... Remember, He was the undercover agent at the Mafia that recommended a switch to "Plan B" so that's probably going to tie into the next one...
Mirko
02/10/2007, 06:07 pm
Another thing to remember: After losing in "Embarassing Idol" Peepers said, he would go to Mount Rushmore. One of the sculptures there depicts Abraham Lincoln. And Episode 4 is called "Abe Lincoln Must Die!" So maybe this could be a hint at what that episode is about.
Maratanos
02/10/2007, 06:09 pm
Another thing to remember: After losing in "Embarassing Idol" Peepers said, he would go to Mount Rushmore. One of the sculptures there depicts Abraham Lincoln. And Episode 4 is called "Abe Lincoln Must Die!" So maybe this could be a hint at what that episode is about.
Nice catch there... :)
Do you think we will still be able to bungee jump out of their noses?
numble
02/10/2007, 08:33 pm
Wow, I don't remember Peepers saying anything.
Mirko
02/11/2007, 04:37 am
Wow, I don't remember Peepers saying anything.
After Sam wins he says something like: "Specs! I'll get you for that, even if it's the last thing I do! Right after I get back from Mount Rushmore."
I just remembered something that may cancel out my original theory.
Max has a metal plate in his head. I don't know if there was a referance to that in the game so far, but it is mentioned both in Hit the Road and in the cartoon at one point or another.
Chances are that you cannot be hypnotized if your brain is within close proximity to something metalic, just like how Sam had his Anti-Hypnosys helmet built into his hat when it was originally made out of nothing more but a stainless steel caulendor and an iron coat hanger.
numble
02/11/2007, 10:58 am
After Sam wins he says something like: "Specs! I'll get you for that, even if it's the last thing I do! Right after I get back from Mount Rushmore."
Thanks Mirko. My original reaction was more of a "Wow, that was a really nice fact that I didn't catch" more than "Wow, I don't believe you" in case I didn't come off correctly.
fajerkaos
02/11/2007, 12:10 pm
I just remembered something that may cancel out my original theory.
Max has a metal plate in his head. I don't know if there was a referance to that in the game so far, but it is mentioned both in Hit the Road and in the cartoon at one point or another.
Then maybe Max was referring to himself then he said that they should go and find somebody with a metalplate in his skull, and redecorate his forehead.
That sick creature never stops to surprise me. :D
The funny thing is I tried to use the magnet on Max, but Sam wouldn't do it.:p
Found it in Episode 2!
Put the plate on the cow's head and then state the obvious when Mr. Featherly asks who the guest is. Max will state that he has a plate in his head.
However...Max's metal plate can also affect his head. Remember that pinging sensation he got from the Mystery Vortex? That means there may be a chance Max is really hypnotized if someone or something found the right frequency to affect Max's metal plate, thereby controlling him!
Maratanos
02/16/2007, 09:10 am
Support for my theory about SOMONE trying to hypnotize all the really famous people seems to continue to accrue. First the Soda Poppers, then Myra, then Abe Lincoln, who seems to still be president. :eek:
Welshy
02/16/2007, 09:14 am
Support for my theory about SOMONE trying to hypnotize all the really famous people seems to continue to accrue. First the Soda Poppers, then Myra, then Abe Lincoln, who seems to still be president. :eek:
He didnt look very Abe Lincoln-esque to me ;)
perhaps....'Evil Lincoln is baaaack!!!'
http://jmwink.people.wm.edu/images/Evil_Lincoln.jpg
We don't know if that is Mr. Lincon or not. For all we know, they may just call him "The President" so they can avoid the universe collapsing in on itself.
Also, it seems that the people they are hypnotizing are not so much famous people, but people in some kind of power. Brady Culture and his Home kind of makes him the boss in a twisted kind of way, thereby making him an influance on washed-up child actors. Myra has the Opra effect working for her, so her sphere of influance affects anyone who watches her show. Harry as the mole had some power over the police in the matters of the Mafia, but he also had power over the Mafia since he did become the last Don Ted E. Bear. Hypnotizing The President just seems like a logical thing to do. Why didn't they do it sooner?!
Maratanos
02/16/2007, 09:34 am
Well, okay. But you have to admit that Abe Lincoln still being president would be suitably weird for this. Remember how Featherly says "I didn't realize Abe Lincoln was still alive". And in OUR world, Abe Lincoln is dead, so he can't be killed again. So although, given Sam & Max, the truth may be even weirder, it's too soon to tell, and there's no contrary evidence yet.
Maratanos
02/23/2007, 09:17 am
Well, Ep 4 ios out on GameTap and I'm wrong about Abe Lincoln... But I'm getting more and more convinced we're right about Hugh Bliss...
AdamG
02/24/2007, 08:38 pm
These are major story ruining spoilers, so don't look at it if you don't want to know the ending of episode 4, and theories about episodes 5 and 6. I warned you!!!
At the end of episode 4, Chuckles the undercover Secret Service agent is, erm... Well, taken care of. His earpiece comes off and you can hear that his commands are comming from some kind of machine. So, apparently a machine is behind controlling the Secret Service. That must be why Episode 5 is called "Reality 2.0", because it's going to involve the computer. But there's probably something controlling the computer too, and probably an alien... Because there has been some hints from Telltale that there would be a setting in space or on other worlds or something.
Also... More major spoilers!!!
I doubt Brady Culture, Myra, were more then unwilling pawns. They were hypnotized by the bears that the factory run by the Mole was making, and the "Secret Service" was watching over the Mole's operation. And Chuckles, the "Secret Service" agent watching over the factory was taking orders from some kind of machine. Whatever or whoever the mastermind is, they're probably not even human or from Earth. They could be, but because of the rumors of a space setting it's possible they could be aliens. That would be fitting, with Sybil's alien tabloid and the refrences to aliens sprinkled around the season so far.
I have to remember to look at the posts above after March 8th.
Gah... just a little under two weeks away for me.
AdamG
02/24/2007, 09:09 pm
Looking at your original post Zeek, I think you're right about Hugh...
I think Hugh Bliss is an alien, who has some kind of super computer that gives orders to the "Secret Service", who are also probably aliens. Chuckles, the 2nd in command to Hugh Bliss (except for the computer), created the toy mafia to make the hypnobears, which were meant to hypnotise the victims so they would... Uh... Keep everyone busy I guess while the aliens took over the planet. I guess Brady Culture was really just a wannabee who wanted to take over the world for himself with his learned hypnopowers. Maybe Brady was a former partner of Hugh's, and was an alien as well? :/
The President has an Emetics book.
Coincident?
www.maxforpresident.org
Dangerzone
03/02/2007, 01:58 am
i am starting to veer away from my previous assumption that hugh bliss is behind the hypnosis ring............... he just seems too, i dont know........happy
and if you recall all of the hypnosis schemes deal with control, money, and power.............. hugh bliss does not seem to need any of the 3
although i think he is involved in some minor way, i now doubt that he is behind the take over the world hypnosis scheme (if that it what this is about) and thats assuming that the hypnosis cases are indeed connected.................. we all learned at an early age to ignore the obvious (unless the obvious puches you in the face and calls you a $*@%!)
no, i think that we have yet to meet who (or what) is behind all this
Planeforger
03/02/2007, 03:31 am
I think that the series' overarching villain would have to be someone referenced to in every episode...which means that Hugh Bliss is the most obvious candidate.
ensignyu
03/02/2007, 03:36 am
Clearly, because Hugh Bliss appeared in Episode 2/4 with only a minor but mysterious role, he's NOT the one behind everything because it would be too obvious. But wait, that's what they expect us to think, so maybe he really IS behind everything. Then again...
Well at the very least he's probably an important character somehow, just because we'd kill Telltale for the answer if we didn't get a hilariously expository backstory (or at least major plot involvement) on him.
BarneyG
03/02/2007, 09:01 am
Just found that on Google for Hugh Bliss ! Disturbing... :confused: !!
(just search for hugh bliss on the page :) )
http://www.simplysearch4it.co.uk/pdir/504/0/9999999999/random/asc/1.html
Plan3
03/02/2007, 09:28 am
Hugu Bliss is an ex-hockey player, did dancing in the late 1800's and is now a kayaking teddy bear!
AdamG
03/02/2007, 12:45 pm
Ohhhhh, what a bizzare and awkward bit of information. I wonder if Telltale knows about Hugu Bliss and the real-life Hugh Bliss teddy bear.
http://www.teddybearfriends.co.uk/teddy-bears/00627/trendle/bliss-bears-hugh.html?source=webgains&siteid=1574
As Bosco would say, "I smell a conspiracy!" :p
Mirko
03/02/2007, 01:56 pm
Ah ok... Not what i predicted, but Mount Rushmore indeed was part of the plot!
Here's a new theory I have developed given Episode 4 that I think the developers would like:
Chuckles is obviously a very high and powerful ranking person for whoever he is working for, because he was able to get into both the USSS and the Toy Mafia. He obviously wasn't hypnotized, but utilizes several hypnotic devices (the Puppet President... wow, I found a pun I didn't realize!... the HypnoBear, the Animatronic Abe Lincon). Chances are he knows how to machanically produce this hypnotic effect.
As such, he probably found out about Harry Moleman and hypnotized him with the HypnoBear. I mean, hello? The Toy Mafia loves toys, right? And if he was any kind of a mole as we think he is, Harry had to have played the part of someone who would be infatuated by toys.
From here, the chain is pretty much the same. Harry or Chuckles made the factory to mass produce the HypnoBears, Myra gets a hold of one and goes all crazy, and Harry gets to Culture through the Home for Formor Child Stars which gets to the Soda Poppers.
However, I can't seem to place how Hugh Bliss fits in short of seeing his book all over the place (with the exception of Eps. 3 unless I didn't notice it). The connection to him seems to have run dry.
That being said, when do you think Max hypnotized Sam?
Hugh Bliss is an alien. When trying to give him the truth serum, he stutters in his refusal claiming he doesn't drink.
Dangerzone
03/03/2007, 09:42 am
no doubt that hugh bliss is an alien, did anyone else notice that all of his facial hair looks like shaving cream?
Everyone's facial hair looks like shaving cream. It's a texture issue that I was hoping people would dismiss given the cartoon nature of the rendering.
Dangerzone
03/03/2007, 02:04 pm
no, i mean that it looks like he is disguising himself because he probably has no facial hair of his own because he is an alien
AdamG
03/03/2007, 02:14 pm
Who or whatever it is behind the mass hallucination conspiracy, there should be a big hint of it's identity at the end of episode 5.
Dangerzone
03/03/2007, 08:26 pm
i do not know if anyone else noticed this, but chuckles earpeice is diffrent from the rest of the secret service members comms............ as the end shows his has a big "G" on it
could be irrevelant, or it could be some sort of logo for that computer that was communicating with chuckles
It was like that in Episode 3 as well. Silly me thought it was a visual pun on the term "G-man."
Maratanos
03/05/2007, 02:17 pm
I posted this on a different forum, but it's worth repeating here.
Top 12 reasons Hugh Bliss may be a scheming evil bad guy bent on world domination (some of these are spoilers, be warned):
He can read your mind
He can see the future
He can teleport
He can fly
He can afford running an entire business that seems to be based on giving stuff away for free
He's Burnt Sienna years old
He claims to be out to make everyone happy
He's immune to hypnosis
He never cries... Ever
He can change the color of his skin
He's afraid to drink the truth serum in episode 4
In short, he'd make a PERFECT scheming evil bad guy.
He's immune to hypnosis
We don't know that yet. That's only an assumption because we have yet to see him like that.
fajerkaos
03/06/2007, 10:41 am
We don't know that yet. That's only an assumption because we have yet to see him like that.
If he aren't already like that :p
Maratanos
03/06/2007, 02:19 pm
We don't know that yet. That's only an assumption because we have yet to see him like that.
Huh. I could have sworn that had been mentioned somewhere... but it's probably true nonetheless...
If he aren't already like that :p
Good point. That'd be very funny if he was hypnotized and after you set him back to normal, his voice changes into a gruff deep man's voice who thinks Prismatology is a load of bull. But I doubt that will happen now that I thought of it.
Derwin
03/07/2007, 01:54 am
i do not know if anyone else noticed this, but chuckles earpeice is diffrent from the rest of the secret service members comms............ as the end shows his has a big "G" on it
could be irrevelant, or it could be some sort of logo for that computer that was communicating with chuckles
I think that is kind of the hint for the next game, seeing as the final camera shot zoomed in on the earpiece.
AdamG
03/07/2007, 09:18 am
Yeah... I haven't been able to figure out what the "G" could mean. It's probably the first letter of some name.
ATMachine
03/07/2007, 06:05 pm
Yeah... I haven't been able to figure out what the "G" could mean. It's probably the first letter of some name.
Isn't it obvious? The letter "G" associated with evil robot-type-voices points to only one thing... Gizmonics Institute!
Next episode, Sam and Max will have to liberate a human and two robots from an orbiting spaceship prison/bad movie theater. ;)
Gizmonics Institute!Another hidden referance that I apparently didn't catch?
Udvarnoky
03/07/2007, 08:13 pm
It's ATM who's making the reference. To MST3K.
Okay, so I think I figured out the new connections.
Plan A was to produce HypnoBears and deliver them across the country. Chuckles obviously knows how to mass produce the hypnotic effect, and as such would oversee the production. Harry, for all apperance purposes, would take the role of Don Ted E. Bear to take the finger of blame off of him.
Plan B was to turn the Puppet President into a nut while hypnotizing those foolish enough to watch his addresses to the union. Eventually, someone who didn't watch any of the Presidents's various hypnotic announcements would get so pissed off that they would attempt an assasination. Chances are once the rate of attempts got to an increased state, Chuckles would let someone kill the Puppet President so he could introduce Abe Lincon. Why there is no VP, I have no clue. Lincon has the same technology as the Puppet President and HypnoBears, but also has the appeal of the nation. And given that this is Sam & Max's world, chances are the nation would blindly love the robotic Lincon.
I want to say that Brady somehow got a hold of the technology, possibly through Harry since he was a "success case" for the Home, and figured out how it worked before Chuckles and his superior(s) were able to put their plan into action, but that's a stretch even for this crazy crime fighting duo's universe.
Random tangent that I noticed.
Check out Bosco's list of people that are out to get him and compare them with who Sam & Max had to go up against in each episode and/or their connections to each of them.
The Media (Brady Culture & Myra)
The Mafia (The Toy Mafia)
The Government (Abe Lincon)
Sentian (sp?) computers (The Internet)
numble
03/22/2007, 12:44 am
Random tangent that I noticed.
Check out Bosco's list of people that are out to get him and compare them with who Sam & Max had to go up against in each episode and/or their connections to each of them.
The Media (Brady Culture & Myra)
The Mafia (The Toy Mafia)
The Government (Abe Lincon)
Sentian (sp?) computers (The Internet)
Whizzer in Episode 1, Skinbodies in Episode 2... he also mistakes the Toy Mafioso outside his door with being a member of the CIA/Illuminati in Episode 3.
AdamG
03/22/2007, 01:57 am
Whizzer in Episode 1, Skinbodies in Episode 2... he also mistakes the Toy Mafioso outside his door with being a member of the CIA/Illuminati in Episode 3.
Maybe he was in the CIA and Illuminati too... (erie music)
Random tangent that I noticed.
Check out Bosco's list of people that are out to get him and compare them with who Sam & Max had to go up against in each episode and/or their connections to each of them.
The Media (Brady Culture & Myra)
The Mafia (The Toy Mafia)
The Government (Abe Lincon)
Sentian (sp?) computers (The Internet)
I think you explained that poorly.
Yeah, I was kind of writing that as I was out the door. :p
Doesn't matter anyway. It doesn't pertain to my original theory and purpose for this thread. I just thought it was a bit strange.
The Duckmeister
03/24/2007, 03:02 pm
While talking about the trailer for Episode 5, I noticed something quite odd. Hugh Bliss has a striking resemblance to Yuri. Yuri is that insane, mind-controlling psychopath from Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. This, if true, could prove that he's definitely a bad guy. (I haven't played RA2 in a long time, so I could be full of crap.)
Captain Bingo
03/27/2007, 03:18 pm
wow telltale/steve purcell is good at making ppl think.
you're making totally new storylines!!
Cyberlink420
03/27/2007, 06:45 pm
It's definitely Hugh Bliss. After all, he's been in every episode to date.
Episode 1: The Emetics TV commercial and the revelation that Brady Culture once practiced Prismatology.
Episode 2: The planned promotion of Emetics on Myra and the impromptu guest hosting of Who's Never Going to Be a Millionaire.
Episode 3: The Emetics billboard that you use to run the mafia off the road.
Episode 4: The purchase of the Esperanto Bookstore and the Emetics copy in the Oval Office.
Episode 5: His avatar running what seems to be an online Emetics store.
Maratanos
03/28/2007, 09:20 am
So's Jimmy, though...
And Bosco
And Sybil.
Oh wait, also Sam & Max themselves...
;)
NickTTG
03/28/2007, 10:51 am
no one even questions the empty lefty's building...
marsan
03/28/2007, 10:58 am
yes, I find that strange. I have been waiting for that place to open up since the first episode :)
fajerkaos
03/28/2007, 11:19 am
no one even questions the empty lefty's building...
Yeah... I really hope that it will happen' something there some time, also I would like to see something come out of that liver n' onions never seems to want to leave town... Hypnosis perhaps?
AdamG
03/28/2007, 12:01 pm
I thought Lefty's was some kind of control room now? :/
marsan
03/28/2007, 12:07 pm
I think that was just when you wore the googles. I don't know what is there when one takes them off.
Maratanos
04/09/2007, 09:50 am
We TOTALLY called that...
Roy G. Biv is clearly Hugh Bliss, the major bad guy for the season
Badwolf
04/09/2007, 02:01 pm
I'm standing firmly by my belief that Hugh Bliss isn't the bad guy against all evidence.
For a start we probably wouldn't get to see him in the next season if he is, and that'd be a shame. And isn't Roy G. Biv (Shorthand for the colours of the rainbow if anyone was wondering =P) and the moon face at the end a bit too much of a giveaway for an episode we don't even know the name of yet?
My guess (ie, hope) is that he's been hypnotised himself if he does have any part in the evil.
fajerkaos
04/09/2007, 04:58 pm
Please do not kill Hugh, Telltale... Pretty please?
akajackfrost
04/09/2007, 08:16 pm
It may be old news, but I just found out Hugh Bliss is on Myspace now.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=141205387
Narwaffle
04/09/2007, 09:11 pm
Roy G. Biv is Hugh Bliss. Proof here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_G_Biv) For those who fear Wikipedia, Roy G. Biv is a mnemonic used for remembering the traditional colour spectrum (Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet). Sounds like Hugh Bliss! Telltale could be pulling our legs though.
Planeforger
04/09/2007, 09:18 pm
I dunno, I still have my suspicions about that unnamed Director...
LuigiHann
04/09/2007, 10:37 pm
It doesn't necessarily mean that it is Hugh Bliss. I'm guessing there could be other Prismatologists, and they would likely also have color-related names. Roy G. Biv could be even higher up on the food chain than Hugh is.
Harald B
04/10/2007, 12:58 am
Mm, I like... Maybe the two are actually fierce competitors and Hugh Bliss has been manipulating Sam and Max in order to counteract Roy G. Biv's evil machinations. Yes, that would actually make sense.
Dangerzone
04/10/2007, 01:25 am
i have the strange feeling that episode 6 will spoof corporate america, and the space program
marsan
04/10/2007, 02:26 am
i have the strange feeling that episode 6 will spoof corporate america, and the space program
That would make sense.
If one take the episiodes progressively. The first episode was concentrated around The Soda Poppers, which have been brain washed by Brady Culture. When you enter the Brady Culture home for former child stars, you see the mole man from episode 3 is listed on a poster on the outside as a success story. There the focus is locally on Brady Culture and how he hypnotize The Soda Poppers to turn them into people who work for him into getting his fame back..
Then in episode two the focus has now moved to that Myra Stumps are holding her audiance captured, and later one found out she was hypnotized by the bear..
Then in episode three the focus has now moved to the group that was behind what happened in episode one and two, at least indirectly since the mole man who was posted as a success story in the first game,and they obviously hypnotized Myra Stumps too with the hypnobear .
Then in episode four the hypno problem has moved on to a national level, getting the president replaced by a hypno puppet, and getting charge of Sargent Chuckels. Also, I remember a reference to an earlier episode when I first talked with Sargent Chuckels. I seem to remember something like "Weren't you the guy who was the greeter at the toy mafia?" or something like that... and they are all shocked he is the presidents body guard. I don't remember all the detailes, and I didn't understand the reference fully. But in any case, he is probably controlled through the toy mafia as well, which again was controlled by reality 2.0. .
Then in the fifth episode, the job is to take down the entire Internet, because it turns out that's what's behind all the other things that happened earlier. Anyway, so Internet are everywhere.
From episode to episode the area which is being controlled by the hypno ray expands. Since the last episode was about the Internet, which is everywhere, logically speaking the next episode must move to space, unless they get some idea who is behind all of it and the episode is mainly about finding that person and arresting him or her, or it. Anyway, because of Hugh Bliss in the moon, and the multi-colored name, also because Hugh Bliss was able to turn green, which was good enough for Sybil to say he was an alien. In fact, I believe Hugh Bliss is an alien, but I have a strange feeling somebody else are the puppetmaster behind him, or that he is working to prevent the disaster Brady Culture has started, because it would just be too obvious if he was the one. I am not sure who else it could be though, because all the others I can think of from the earlier episodes, except for the reoccuring characters, have been offed. The only exception is Brady Culture, since they only took his hair(correction: he's in jail, so can't be him either)... and Hugh Bliss(at least if the Internet was in fact the same woman as the director, and was offed in reality 2.0 with the Internet). It would be too strange if it turns out some reoccuring character like Sybil or Bosco was the one behind it all. The only who I would buy as that would be Jimmy, but I don't think he got the brains for such a mega operation
also, it would be rather fun if they returned to the moon on the last episode, since they got that moon picture on the wall and Hugh Bliss seems to be from/on/or of the moon.
Anybody who can think of anybody I have forgotten to include that could've done it? Anyway, all this speculations makes me want to re-play all the episodes, and look for more clues or for people I have forgotten to consider ;)
UPDATE: has nobody else than me found it strange that the soda poppers keep appear in the strangest positions after the first episode? in the second episode they are the jury for the idol competition... and in the 4th they are suddenly senators... I am suspecting that the soda poppers are involved with prismathology, and that's how they get these positions.
SuperTonic
04/10/2007, 02:52 am
I get the feeling that the wink from hugh bliss in the moon at the end is hinting that in fact they have not been ejected from reality 2.0 or at least some kind of simulation of the world which hints to me at a matrix-inspired plotline for episode 6. Agent Smith anyone?
marsan
04/10/2007, 03:07 am
that would make sense. I remember something from the gametap trailer to Reality 2.0: "our videogames are a colossal waste of time?". I never heard that line in this episode, maybe it's from episode 6? In which case it would make sense that they at that time actually discover they are inside a videogame.
Badwolf
04/10/2007, 04:43 am
I remember something from the gametap trailer to Reality 2.0: "aren't videogames are a colossal waste of time?". I never heard that line in this episode
No, it's definitely in there. I heard it.
marsan
04/10/2007, 05:28 am
you're probably right. I've only played it through one time, so I've probably missed some pieces of dialog. If you remember how you got it, don't be a stranger. I thought that was so funny in the trailer.
Venusy
04/10/2007, 05:50 am
you're probably right. I've only played it through one time, so I've probably missed some pieces of dialog. If you remember how you got it, don't be a stranger. I thought that was so funny in the trailer.
Try talking to Sybil after you return her to Reality 1.0 (not really a spoiler, considering it's one of the first things you have to do, but better to be safe than sorry).
Planeforger
04/10/2007, 06:23 am
So...to summarise the hierarchy so far, we've got:
Roy. G. Biv (possibly Hugh Bliss) controlled the Internet, which presumably controlled Chuckles, who controlled the Government and the Toy Mafia, who controlled WARP TV.
This leaves a few loose ends. Firstly, how does Brady Culture fit into this?
Well...we know that his Home trained the Mole who infiltrated the Mafia. We can assume that the Mole and Chuckles were partners, but Brady Culture's actions don't seem to fit in. He's trying to start his own brainwashed cult, for his own personal benefit, in a similar method to Hugh Bliss. Perhaps they are rivals, and he stole Hugh's hypontising technology (again, assuming that Hugh is the villain)?
Either way, he seems too 'small time' to be part of the 'big operation'.
Secondly, I'm not entirely sure why the Director of WARP TV's face was the face of the Internet. She hates Myra, so she probably isn't the 'big bad' (Why would she force people to watch Myra's show via hypnosis if she didn't want people to watch it?)...yet she can teleport, so maybe she is another alien?
Or...maybe I'm just paranoid. Either way, the season looks like it will end very well.
marsan
04/10/2007, 06:52 am
This leaves a few loose ends. Firstly, how does Brady Culture fit into this?
Yes. That's something I've wonder about. Sure, you got the hair of Brady Culture in the closet, but they never said exactly what happened to him after they shaved off his hair. It could be that he will make a comeback in the next episode. Maybe I am sucker for traditional endings, but I really like it when the beginning(introduction, pilot) and ending match along with each other. Considering that Hugh Bliss wasn't in the first episode, it would be a perfect decoy to use to make sure everybody got suprised when a person from the first episode that everybody thought was gone made a comeback and suddenly was the one behind all of it.
All of this makes me think back to Broken Sword 1 and Khan. How he kept popping up in the places George always was... and then in the end it turned out he was one of the good guys, but for other reasons. It wouldn't suprise me if something similar was the case with Hugh Bliss vs Brady Culture. Like, perhaps Brady Culture is an outcast and was the one behind the toy mafia hypnosis, and Hugh Bliss is just trying to fix what he has done without drawing too much attention to himself. In that case Brady Culture could be Roy G. Biv if he used to be a prismatologist. Not sure, I think I'm going to have to play through the first episodes again to look for any other mentions of Brady Culture
LuigiHann
04/10/2007, 08:02 am
It could simply be that Brady created the tools for hypnosis, for his own small-time plan, but the Toy Mafia (and by extension, whoever was puppeting them) got their hands on it, likely through the mole.
It could simply be that Brady created the tools for hypnosis, for his own small-time plan, but the Toy Mafia (and by extension, whoever was puppeting them) got their hands on it, likely through the mole.
Wow, didn't think of that.
Dangerzone
04/10/2007, 09:04 pm
whoever Mr. Roy G. Biv is....... he is feeding money into the entire scheme, his account is connected to every one of the previous episode plots
he is connected to.......
Hollywood
Digital Buissness (A.K.A. The Internet)
The Toy Mafia
The Government
Bosco (this may be why everyone is targeting him)
the only boxes we have not seen connected yet are....
Pro Lobby, Lobbyists (most likely just a joke)
Kittens For Peace (could hugh bliss be connected to these guys)
Online Gambling (could possibly be connected to toy mafia)
Grandma Bosco? (could be anoher joke)
P.S. am i the only person who did not realise that you can talk to max while standing in the bank?........... i just saw this and i feel stupid right now.... i am going to add it to my play it again list
Hero1
04/10/2007, 11:51 pm
Well I don't think the plot for season 1 would be too complicated.. so I'd say roygbiv is hugh bliss.. he'd got whole rainbow thing going on and he's the mastermind behind it all..and he probably is an alien..
Hero1
04/10/2007, 11:55 pm
has anyone mentioned that in Hugh Bliss's MySpace page he lists Roy G. Biv as one of his heroes
Cyberlink420
04/11/2007, 01:14 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure Brady got the glasses from Roy G. Biv, who we think is Hugh, since they said in the documentary that Brady was into prismatology for a while.
And we don't know for sure that the mole from episode 3 is the same one from the poster outside the "Home". After all, if you'll recall, there were two other moles in Sam and Max Hit the Road...
marsan
04/11/2007, 01:22 am
I believe sam & max goes up against prismatology on the last episode. Somewhat I feel prismatology is out of this world, because Hugh Bliss seems pretty much out of this world. All the other characters in the episodes that one can classify under "enemies" have been connected in one way or another with prismatology. But I am getting a feeling that The soda poppers are deeper involved with prismatology than they admit. I mean, how did they suddenly become senators? Maybe through the help of prismatology, which was taking control over the white house through the reality 2.0. Also, how did they "accidently" get called in to be judges on the worst idol contest(which was sent on the channel which it seems that prismatology was trying to take control over, through myra stumps)? Even though they got hypnoticed in the first episode to do Brady Cultures evil biddings, it could just be that Brady Culture was trying to misuses the powers of the prismatologist for his own personal agendas, and that the soda poppers are still a part of prismatology. Has anybody noticed how all the people who gets affected are famous people who at least seems to have a lot of influence potential? What the Internet says at the end of the episode: "I just want everybody to be happy" sounds like exactly like something Hugh Bliss would say.
I believe one either goes up against Hugh Bliss in the last episode, or one of the soda poppers(or some leader which is unknown at this time, but from the episodic nature I have a strong belief that the last episode will uncover somebody we know as the leader of prismatology). I am not sure, but something tells me the soda poppers are not as innoncent in all of this as they are trying to make it seem. But from the evidence I would go for Hugh Bliss or somebody who are misusing prismatolog for his own personal agendas(a.k.a a prismatologist run wild, which Hugh Bliss is out to stop). If it's somebody we know already, which is not Hugh Bliss, then it must be one of the soda poppers(since they apparently out of nowhere get these awesome positions, without ever explaining how it really happened, please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Anyway. Who else are left that haven't been arrested or put away already?
doom saber
04/11/2007, 03:26 am
I too think Hugh Bliss is ROYGBIV. I mean for those who don't know, particular those that don't have english as their primary language. ROYGBIV is Red, orange, yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violent; The colors of a rainbow. Besides, all the villains expect ep 5 are introduced at the end of the episode (Myra was seen in ep 1, the toy mafia bear was seen in ep 2, Chuckles was seen in 3, and Hugh in ep 5.) However, Telltale can pull a fast one on us, though the Hugh Bliss as a villain can be a "you least expect it" sort of thing.
GalFisk
04/11/2007, 08:15 am
ROYGBIV is Red, orange, yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violent; The colors of a rainbow.
VERY nice catch.
doom saber
04/11/2007, 02:27 pm
Thanks, Galfisk
I might be over analysing here, but anyone see a connecting of hugh Bliss and George Carlin? I mean, but has the same physical appearance. Also, George Carlin was Mr. Conductor in the live action Thomas Tank Engine show. Didn't the Conductor in the show was all nice and teleported with the use of rainbows and such? If so, I can see a connection. For those who don't know, George Carlin is a stand up commedian who is vugar and mean. However, in the Tank engine show, his character has a different personality.
I wouldn't be suprised if Hugh's real personality is the opposite of what we have seen before.
Also, I am sure ppl pointed this out, but doesn't Brady Culture looks a bit like Bob Ross, the guy who does paintings on PBS? If this was Telltale's intent on basing Brady's physical appearance off of Ross, I can see the connection. The theme of season1 is hypnothesis and rainbows, and Bob Ross is known to paint paintings with full of colors and happy things. Even though Culture isnt nice and all, the era where his tv show was shown, was in the 70's, which is known as the decade of free live and all that colorful happy crap.
I wouldn't be suprised if Hugh and Culture are siblings since they have the same sort of traits; tall, skinny, and white. LOL
Lastly, I like the symbolisms in the season. Prisimatology is basically a rip on Scientology. I tend to think that the staff decided to spoof Scientology after all the pubilicity it had from the Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes hoopla.
Anyways, Emetics(the book by hugh bliss) seems to be the same as L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics. Both books are self help books that claims to rid the reader of bad thoughts, diseases, and other crap.
In real life, L. Ron is looked up as a god with magical powers; Hugh Bliss has magical powers. Both ppl seem to have a questional religion.
Also, Hypotism is the main tool used by Scientology to control their followers. Scientologist would brainwash new members in believing that psychology is crap and that the real reason we get depressed is because the alien leader, Xenu killed off a bunch of his slaves in Hawaii and the souls of the dead slaves inhabit our bodies, makin us feel sad and bad.
In real life, Scientology is in hollywood, on the internet, and within parts of our government(this part I am guessing.)
Oh yeah, Scientologist do not believe that L. Ron is dead, but that he left his human vessel to teach scientology to aliens in other words. No lie.
fhqwhgads
04/16/2007, 01:14 am
I think Philo Pennyworth is the REAL mastermind. ;)
Maratanos
04/16/2007, 05:36 pm
GameTap's infocard for episode 6 at one time explicitly stated Hugh Bliss to be the Bad Guy.
You guys are WAY overanalyzing this.
True, but that's what makes this fun.:D
Dangerzone
04/16/2007, 10:57 pm
i like the episodic game format for just that reason. when you play a conventional game, you finish a level (you think, wow that was cool) and then you move on to the next level.... (you also miss a lot of things in that level, and you may not understand the story because you are going through the game so fast)
but in an episodic game the space between episodes gives you time to replay that episode and really savor it, and convoluted conspiracy theories are sure to follow because everyone has their 2 cents about what they think is going on, who the villan is, what will happen next, etc....
sam and max is not known for being in-depth, mysterious, or complex in its stories, but i hope that in season 2 they really cater to us conspiracy theorists and give us a storyline so "out-there" that not even we can guess it, this will be much easier than they think if they add more evil reoccuring characters.... most of us had our eye on hugh bliss since episode 3-4 and it seems that we were right according to gametaps episode 6 infocard *grumble*
Hero1
04/23/2007, 02:39 am
Hugh Bliss has left an interesting message on Sam & Max's MySpace
http://www.myspace.com/sam_and_max
as he states I'm positively over the moon!
Well, my suspicions have been confirmed with the screen shots here of Sam & Max on that Rainbow Butterfly ride.
Now to just see if my connections were right when I play through the last episode.
marsan
04/23/2007, 06:54 am
after watching the gametap trailer, hearing about spoilers from the gametap infocard, piecing together everything from playing the other five episodes again, seeing the rainbow butterfly ride and reading the myspace comment, it's obvious to me who's behind all of this. Anyway, I was already getting rather suspicious of this person ever since our first encounter, so it was not a big shock. But I'm mainly in it for the jokes, though, so I didn't really want some unsolvable detective story. I would have found it annoying if the season ending reveals somebody nobody expected, to be the mastermind behind all of this.
It's obvious now that the butler did it!
Another thing, Emetics "is a substance that induces vomiting when administered orally or by injection."
And the guy on the Emetics book is barfing a rainbow. Coincidence?
Also some diseases causes vomiting and delusions (and maybe some changes in color)...and most diseases are caused by "alien organisms"...which are destroyed by substances like alcohol.....which is found on a certain "truth serum"
LuigiHann
05/04/2007, 01:23 pm
Coincidence?
No?
:p
AdamG
05/04/2007, 05:56 pm
Emetics is an orally introduced substance that induces vomitting? Ewww...
Emetics is an orally introduced substance that induces vomitting? Ewww...
Yeah. Very few writers can cause vomitting simply just by reading aloud.
tobar
05/07/2007, 07:23 pm
So was Harry Moleman the moleman that was on the poster outside brady's theater? because that lead me to believe that we'd find out that Hugh was also a long forgotten child star who had gone evil. I had even thought for a while that Brady and Hugh might have been the same person. I dunno, it just seems to me the whole space bacteria thing came out of nowhere. Anyhow, I can't wait for season 2.
The Emetics->Bacteria plot was not that farfetched. But I felt that it could have ended in a better way (ie: Hugh using bacteria to conquer the world). Plus I really liked the Hugh Bliss character, and now he is gone (or is he?). I really am going to miss the 'Hi, I'm Hugh Bliss' line.
Brady was always a bit off with the main plot (other than the hypnotic link) and turned only as an oportunistic SOB that stole the hypnotic glasses prototype and tried to use them for his own *plan* which turned to be quite similar to Hugh's.
Now, the wait for Season 2: Episode 1 ("War at the Dakotas" perhaps??) begins...
Cyberlink420
05/07/2007, 07:46 pm
^ Which means Nick better get cracking on the inevitable E3 trailer...
We should at least give the duo some time to rest. Max seemed pretty pissed that they've been "working" for seven months striaght.:D
AdamG
05/08/2007, 10:36 pm
If Season 2 started any sooner then, say, 6-9 months from now, I think Sam & Max would start to stagnate. The humor and shock effect would wear out really quick if people get too used to it.
YAYitsAndrew
05/15/2007, 08:59 am
I'm a little late to this discussion, but I think the origin of Hugh Bliss' name is a play on the word hubris. The classical definition doesn't really apply to Hugh, but I could see the writers coining the term hublis = hubris + bliss, having excessive bliss to a tragic fault.
I like to disinventeminate words too!
Badwolf
05/15/2007, 10:19 am
Hugh does seem to have a "serious case of narcissism"...
LuigiHann
05/15/2007, 12:37 pm
I commented on the awesomeness of Hugh's name when Episode 2 was first announced. It has a lot of layers for a two-syllable name.
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