Why does everyone hate The Lost World: Jurassic Park?

[rixcm]

Ok I've never understood why everyone hates this film its one of the best of the 3, Jurassic Park being the best and The Lost World on par with it. But the third wasn't as good but it wasn't based off the novels like the other two were, making it to short and feel rushed. But I would like to know your thoughts on the second film.

[Spadge]

I have no idea... I liked all of them equally.

[Alexrd]

I don't hate it. It's just not the best of the trilogy.

[hppav]

Mostly because it made no sense.

-We follow a series of protagonists whose actions result in the deaths of dozens of people but are expected to believe they are right.

-InGen has been battling Malcolm for years to convince the public that Jurassic Park didn't exist, yet plans on opening Jurassic Park San Diego anyway.

-InGen, who exists entirely by funding through investors wanting them to build Jurassic Park, still manages to exist as a proper corporation with no real product and tons of lawsuits and bills being thrown at it.

-The "bad guys" in essence just wanted to take the animals and put them in a zoo, the "good guys" decided to unleash hell on the "bad guys" camp, let all the dinosaurs loose, and leave a group of 20 or so men practically defenseless with no way to call for help on an island full of dinosaurs to claim the moral highground.

Further, the book made more sense where it was Biosyn who tries to get samples off the island and the Malcolm, Thorne, and Levine's team are there to investigate why dinosaurs are on the island and whether or not the island has reached environmental stability and become a Lost World, but the two sides rarely clash. In fact, the actions of Biosyn's team generally led to their deaths.

I'd say it's the same reason why people hate Avatar so much, the movie decided to be preachy about the evils of man, who was extracting minerals so that humanity could survive, while blatantly ignoring the evils of the Na'vi, who slaughtered an unarmed human ambassador merely because they didn't see us as being worthy to talk to them, who call us insane, and are more sensitive that even the Middle East nations. So many people, myself included, found themselves cheering on the RDA and Colonel Quaritch in the film's third act rather than the protagonists.

Don't try pushing a "corporations are the minions of Satan" moral on people in a movie that's the sequel of a movie whose moral was "Don't play God," no matter how liberal the scientists were or how conservative Hammond was, it's not a good idea. Politics should be left out of an adventure movie because you'll just end up angering half of your fan base.

[Jozhster]

theirs 2 types of fans of films the ones that pick at every off detail and complain that the plot makes no sense or theirs the kind like me that dont give a sh*t aslong as i see some dinosaurs kill people :D :D :D

[mystemo]

I love The Lost World, I of course like the original even better but I still think Lost World is awesome.

[Hyper-Trance]

Lost World really shows off the Natural living of Dino's... Although there are alot of flaws... Its my fave hands down. I still remember the goose bumbs i got at the time lol.

For me is goes
JP1 10/10
JP2 8/10 (but still my fave)
JP3 4/10

(JP4 Dino weapons? 0/10 LOL)

[Irishmile]

I like all three .. I do not see why people hate on 3 so much it may not be as good as the other two but its far from a bad movie... the action was good, the acting was not bad.. Just one of those things I guess.

[Davies]

theirs 2 types of fans of films the ones that pick at every off detail and complain that the plot makes no sense or theirs the kind like me that dont give a sh*t aslong as i see some dinosaurs kill people :D :D :D

theirs = There's
2= two
films = film,
aslong =as long
every off detail = every detail

Can you guess which category I fall under? :p

[Javi-Wan Kenobi]

I don't really hate it, but just one word:

GYMNASTICS!!!!

...and maybe the inexplicable dead and maimed bodies on the boat's bridge. Nothing as big as an adult T-rex could have done that...

[doodo!]

Haven't you discovered the sad truth yet? People get interested in a subject, they become experts so that they can get more involved with what they are interested in. New material comes out and fan boys cry that it's all a service for them and that they have standards and demands that must be met to the letter. Fan boys hate change, because they are afraid it will bring in new comers and it goes against what they've learned and molded themselves as supposed purist out of...

Fan boys whine and cry with the smallest details, inconsitencies because it gives them something to talk about, it allows them to correct errors and mistakes intellectually and socially show every one else how big of a concerned, involved and dedicated fan boy they are to notice such things and how worthy of your time it is to speak to this fan boy because he makes valid points that can be validated by his vast trivial knowledge...

Perspective has long since developed, and the fan boy tells you that he loves the material and understands it better than any one else, he's a purist now and sees the material a certain way. Subjectivity is now greatly outweighed by what he takes pride in as certain objective material. The fan boy now only searches for people to be united with who are also purists and agree with him, so that he feels loved himself and fits into the mold of what a true fan boy is.

Fan boys HATE changes, and when creators decide to try new things, even if preserving some of the old, most of the old, fan boys always find something to whine about...

Oh, and it also goes against their so very precious memories of entertainment. Which they find offensive and hurtful because those memories are so precious to them. Their experiences become less valid, their memories, their knowledge becomes less valid, and so they rush back in and blast off like rockets at their finger tips or jaw hinge how this and then that is all wrong.

They subconsciouly want to re live their child hoods and want new content inspired, to grow based on what they have experienced in the past, but their afraid of change. They hate change. So most the time, if not all the time , fan boys will find something to complain about.

The only thing worse than a excited fan boy, is a disappointed fan boy.

I don't believe that you have anymore questions about this. Of course I haven't went into the deeper, less comprehensible reasons why fan boys act the way they do. But I'm not acting out of my human roots right now. I could break it down much further than this.

[waroftheworlds01]

I don't hate it at all. But I agree that it has a lot of plot holes.

[chucklas]

Because it sucked.

Seriously, this is what I think. We have a great storyline to follow from the first movie. After watching the first one, I wanted to know what happened to the shaving cream canister from the first (at least tell tale seems to have gotten that right so far). When I realized it wasn't going that way, I had a hard time coming to terms with the plot. They lost me on one detail and they never really got me back.

[doodo!]

Because it sucked.

Seriously, this is what I think. We have a great storyline to follow from the first movie. After watching the first one, I wanted to know what happened to the shaving cream canister from the first (at least tell tale seems to have gotten that right so far). When I realized it wasn't going that way, I had a hard time coming to terms with the plot. They lost me on one detail and they never really got me back.

Being a direct sequel plot holes are a valid complaint. But I think the focus was more on character development. I didn't have a problem with the logic/math genius but before hand I never saw him getting his very own JP title as the lead role, and then he had a family all the sudden...

i think they lost some of the plot towards new characters and old ones that were being further developed. To me it sounds like that being the focus, that they did not see as much material in the first movie as you did and felt that the core, over all objective and focus would be on the characters rather than the plot of the first movie, which evidently, the plot, was not acknowledged as much as the characters.

[Shadowknight1]

We have a great storyline to follow from the first movie. After watching the first one, I wanted to know what happened to the shaving cream canister from the first

Until now, it hasn't mattered what happened to the shaving cream canister. I had this same argument with my idiot step-mother when we went to go see it(laughed my ass off when she jumped 3 feet up when the raptor's head came through the hole in the shed, PRICELESS!!!). The canister had enough coolant to last for thirty-six hours. By the time that the main characters got off the island, unless someone recovered the embryos in time(which we may find out in the game), the dino-embryos would have died. That's why it couldn't be a plot point. The only reason it can be a plot point in the game is that the game takes place during the events of the first movie.

[waroftheworlds01]

I didn't realize people made a big deal about the shaving cream can. I mean, it fell down a tiny water fall and was covered in mud. I thought that closed the lid on that subject as far as the first film is concerned.

Glad TellTale is using it for their plot though.

[Davies]

I didn't realize people made a big deal about the shaving cream can. I mean, it fell down a tiny water fall and was covered in mud. I thought that closed the lid on that subject as far as the first film is concerned.

That's exactly how I interpreted that moment to. The mud represented the fact that Nedry had failed and that he and the embryos were essentially dead and buried. I was rather surprised to hear from the number of people who had considered it an unanswered element. However...

Glad TellTale is using it for their plot though.

Amen.

[Alexrd]

I like all three .. I do not see why people hate on 3 so much it may not be as good as the other two but its far from a bad movie... the action was good, the acting was not bad.. Just one of those things I guess.

This. JP3 got what people wanted the most from the franchise.

[Marsbergen]

What I like about JP3 is that it is streamlined. It's like a half hour shorter than the first two films, and it doesn't have a T-Rex in San Diego.

I like all three movies though. The first two I remember seeing when I was just a little shit.

[chucklas]

Until now, it hasn't mattered what happened to the shaving cream canister. I had this same argument with my idiot step-mother when we went to go see it(laughed my ass off when she jumped 3 feet up when the raptor's head came through the hole in the shed, PRICELESS!!!). The canister had enough coolant to last for thirty-six hours. By the time that the main characters got off the island, unless someone recovered the embryos in time(which we may find out in the game), the dino-embryos would have died. That's why it couldn't be a plot point. The only reason it can be a plot point in the game is that the game takes place during the events of the first movie.

I don't recall the details. I have not seen JP for at least 10+ years. I do not recall the 3 days worth of coolant...but given it was covered up, it opens the door to the embryos (I don't recall knowing they were embryos either) being preserved in the canister by natural coolants. The water/mud could have been cool enough to preserve them.

I always envisioned the sequel to be some discovery of the canister (perhaps by someone working with Newman (seinfeld reference in case you missed it)) at some later point when he did not return.

I didn't really care about the characters, although they could have been a part of a sequel where the canister plays a significant role.

[Kraven]

I do not recall the 3 days worth of coolant...but given it was covered up.

When Nerdy is meeting with Dodgson at the near beginning of the movie, Dodgson tells him there is enough coolant within the canister for the allotted amount of time.

As for the mud being a coolant, if you remember when Nerdy was stealing the embryo's, they were stored in a pretty cool (Temp wise) freezing tube, so I really doubt the mud would provide near cool enough temperatures to keep the embryo's alive.

Anyways, to answer the OP, I like TLW. Few plotholes, but I really do like it, and JP is a series where my favorites are already numbered! The first was the best, TLW is second and the third is... eh.. down there.

For anyone wondering about why the Third Movie sucked, I can only give my own reasons or rather opinions on that. If we look at the situation, Isla Sorna was left alone for the dino's to run around in right? 4 years after the first movie, The Lost World happened. We didn't see any Spinosaurus running around then, did we? My memory is a little fuzzy on the third because I just don't like watching it, but I don't think InGen went back to the labs on Sorna to bring anymore Dino's back to life..

So.. there is a gaping hole in the foodchain when it does come to The Lost World and the 3rd movie.. Where is Spino? Dr. Grant and the gang were only on the island for a few days, with barely any equipment and caught the attention of the thing multiple times, surely tons of equipment that InGen had brought in would have warranted a curious glance by the Spino.


Anyways, I love the discussions on this board. :D

[Sisyphus]

So.. there is a gaping hole in the foodchain when it does come to The Lost World and the 3rd movie.. Where is Spino?

re: the Spinosaur, the closest thing to an answer you'll get:

"I don't remember seeing that on InGen's list."

"It wasn't. Which makes me wonder what else they were up to."

Doesn't exactly paint a complete picture, but there's at least an implication that SOMETHING untoward was going on.

[Kraven]

re: the Spinosaur, the closest thing to an answer you'll get:

"I don't remember seeing that on InGen's list."

"It wasn't. Which makes me wonder what else they were up to."

Doesn't exactly paint a complete picture, but there's at least an implication that SOMETHING untoward was going on.


Yeah, but like I had said... InGen had abandoned Isla Sorna as they had Isla Nublar, so the Spino would have been there when they had abandoned the island.

[Sisyphus]

Yeah, but like I had said... InGen had abandoned Isla Sorna as they had Isla Nublar, so the Spino would have been there when they had abandoned the island.

Unfortunately, I think we have all the information we're going to get regarding that front. It was a pretty big klaxon call for the sequel, but that thing seems mired in development hell.

[Kraven]

Unfortunately, I think we have all the information we're going to get regarding that front. It was a pretty big klaxon call for the sequel, but that thing seems mired in development hell.

Aye.. But it does make for discussion some great points in the movie.

[gnarkill]

I think most of the people that didn't like the second film read "the Lost World" book. Except for some of the characters having the same name and one or two other little things the book is completely different from the movie. The books story was AMAZING and when they completely changed it for the movie I think people who read it were very disappointed. I still really liked the movie, but the book was 100 times better. So, everyone out there saying they loved the movie needs to go buy the book, and read it. Trust me, it's worth it.

[leon101]

I didn't think that JP:TLW was really all that bad, but the heroes of it, are pretty mean spirited. Ian just doesn't make for a hero like Grant was. I mean you saw how Ian was in the first movie. Which is why I liked that the third movie brought Grant back.

I always felt sorry for Hammond in the first movie, he wanted to bring something amazing for all the world to see, without the need for being rich. And all the odds were against him. He was so ecstatic about the whole process, that he failed to notice, all that could go wrong with the Park.

[Davies]

Cartman has this to say regarding the movies "heroes"...

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh10/seftons/SP-CARTMAN-TREE-HUGGING-HIPPIES.jpg

[CaptainN]

Personally for me the movies are like this. When Jurassic Park first came out it was a huge hyped deal. And the movie delivered. Spielberg showed this amazing fantasy world in beauty and danger. I for one will never forget the goosebumps I got when they first drive into the park and they see this big brachiosaurus eat leaves. The movie delivered beautiful shots of the world. even during the whole danger parts.

The second one kind of had that but it just seemed a bit of a weird movie. Even though I didnt even think of most of the plot holes that where mentioned here.

But by the time the third movie came out it was just a survival horror movie with dinosaurs. leaving out all the magic that to me was very much part of jurassic park. which I why I dont really care much for the 3rd movie.

[tope1983]

the more the movies distanced from crichtons original story the more they lost quality

[Martin McFly]

While I certainly don't hate the movie, it wasn't my favorite. I thought it just wasn't as entertaining as the first one however I think we can safely assume that it surpasses the third. I think Jeff Goldblum made it a little difficult to watch due to his ridiculous acting style but for the most part, I didn't mind the movie as much as I did with the third.

[waroftheworlds01]

I actually liked Jeff Goldblum as the main character. He's one of my favorite actors. I would have to say The Fly was his best movie though. He should have won an award or something for that one cause he was really good in that one.

[Martin McFly]

The Fly? I haven't seen it. Would you recommend it?

[waroftheworlds01]

I would. It's the best mix of sci-fi, horror, and drama I have ever seen in one movie. The plot itself sounds silly. Seth (Jeff Goldblum) invents a machine that allows you to teliport from one place to the other. But when he tries it out himself a fly ends up in the machine with him. The machine gets confused and mixes their genes together. Now he is slowly changing into a Fly like creature and he has to figure out how to reverse the effects. It may sound very sci-fi, but the movie is very realistic and is very serious. And the meat of the story is actually the love story between Seth and the reporter (played by Geena Davis) .

I highly recomend it. Here's a trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BTPOlbW-Cc

I should also add the movie is very gory. Some sick stuff happens. But overall, the movie is just awesome and is a drama above all else. Oh, and it's a David Cronenberg film. He's an awesome director.

[CaptainN]

Oh yes you have to watch the fly. It's a classic. Avoid the sequels tough.

[Javi-Wan Kenobi]

To be fair, Cronenberg/Goldblum's "The Fly" is a remake from an even more classic film, with Vincent Price. I haven't seen either of them, but I've heard that the remake is quite better.

[tope1983]

@The Fly

I've seen both and they are pretty good.
There's one big difference between the two versions.

:spoil-o:
In the original from 1958 when the scientist and the fly got mixed during the teleporting process the exchange of body parts is immediately done.
In the new adaption of 1986 it is a slow process of metamorphosis.
Both movies work quite well although the original one seems to be more "realistic" to me.
:spoil-o:

It's also necessary to bear in mind that a film of 1958 has special effects which are more than 50 years old and the cronenberg-version is also 25 years old. So you have to keep the movies in their "historic" context.
But I can recommend both!

[waroftheworlds01]

I've seen the 58 one as well. They are both really good.

None of the sequals were good though. The one that followed the 80's one was watchable but still not as good as the original. And the follow ups for the 58 ones were just stupid in my opinion. Especially, Curse of the Fly. That was just.... no. lol No.

[MightyThirstyPirate]

I disliked The Lost World because the characters are all unlikeable except perhaps for Malcom. The plot is nonsensical and broken. At the end of the movie we get this speech from Hammond about leaving the dinos alone and letting nature take it's course. Nevermind the fact that those dinos are the result of bioengineering, and not nature. Every single human that we see in the movie is annoying and unrelateable. We see a lot of cool dinosaur action and chases, especially in San Diego, but it's cool, not thrilling. I'd say The Lost World is to Jurassic Park what Aliens Vs Predator is to the original Alien. In both cases the filmakers just took the beasts that were so awesome at the start of the franchise and shook them in our face for two hours, with no attempt to create a mood or tone similiar to the original films. The Lost World is just an excuse to show dinosaurs, which is cool if you like that, but it fails as a film. Because there are no likeable characters, I don't care what happens. I don't care if the dinosaurs take over San Diego and all the rest of America, because I'm not emotionally invested in any of the characters that would be effected. No emotional investment, no suspense. No suspense leads to apathy and boredom.

"A special effect without a story is... a pretty boring thing." George Lucas said that, and regardless of if he's held to that himself, the truth of the statement itself is undisputable.

[tope1983]

I liked the book more than the cinema-adaption.
In both cases: Jurassic Park & The Lost World.

In 1993 I saw JP in a local movie-theater and was pretty excited. Only 2 years later somehow I found out that there existed a novel which has been written before the movie by some guy called Michael Krigt-sh-ton (found out later that Crichton is called "Cryton"). It turned out to be my favourite book I've ever read at that time and I suddenly wondered why so many elements weren't used in the movie. I liked the scientific background, the turns in the story and the rather darker tone of the book.

In 1996 I was very surprised when I read the letters "The dinosaurs are back" in the shop-window of a local bookstore and I realized that Michael Crichton wrote a sequel to Jurassic Park. Of course I immediately bought and read the novel but after finishing it I had to say, that I didn't like it that much like the first book. Of course there were some elements and scenes I really found exciting and when it said on the cover "Steven Spielberg already bought the rights to make a movie out of it" it made me even more exciting.

This was the first time when I read a book before and saw a movie of it afterwards... well and I got not only surprised but also disappointed. The Lost World: Jurassic Park had nearly nothing in common with the novel's storyline.
Although the book's plot wasn't that good the movie's one was even worse (IMO).

In the novels there always were only a few people (stranded) on the island fighting for survival. They had their equipment which seemed to protect them very well at the beginning and as the story continued more and more of the protection got lost.

In the movie TLW there appeared a huge group of people with dozens of specialized vehicles and loads of weapons and it all got damaged and lost in a few minutes. You didn't care about much of the characters because they were so many and seemed to be there just to be fed and justify some running and screaming sequences.

I liked the trailer in the novel, how it was described and how Malcolm's team used their whole equipment: the high-hide, the explorer and the motorbike. Every item was essential and urgent. The trailer was their base were they seemed to be safe.

In the movie the equipment is fastly introduced, you catch a glimpse of the trailer and the 2 mercedes when they drive by and afterwards people are running through the woods. You never see them arriving the island, finding out where to go and setting up their basecamp. It is all rushed. They actually never study dinosaurs, the hunters arrive and night falls in just afterwards. Malcom's team makes the captured dinosaurs run havoc and damage all of the hunter's stuff. (Bringing dinosaurs into a zoo is a very, very bad idea, we are the good guys so better harm or kill all the people who want to do that). Well and very soon there's the T-Rex attack, one car just got kicked over the cliff and minutes later everything else is gone. Boom.

In the novel Dodgson arrived on the island with only one jeep and tried to steal the dinosaur's eggs. His actions finally led to all the horror that followed.

Basically the whole story in the novel captured the element of being abandoned on the island and loosing more and more control when finally managing to escape.
As in the first book all of the happenings stayed afar from the public. So you can believe that it all could have been taken place in reality. Could. There is no public evidence it hasn't.

The movie's decision to play godzilla in San Diego is just as laughable as the M-class beeing able to drag a trailer of 8.5 tons on a muddy surface back from a cliff when the hanger of the RV is dangling in the air, folded in an angle of 90 degrees.

The T-Rex attack in Jurassic Park was very intense and thrilling. The Rex running amok in San Diego is just trivial action.

I know that Michael Crichton only wrote the sequel because he was pushed to (he never wrote a sequel to any of his other successful novels). And you notice that when reading the book: it contains a lot of sequences that already feel like being from a movie.
But Spielberg found even that too lame and pushed it all more to the limit.
At least very much over the top. Lost the essence of the main story for a rather popcorn-esque experience to create a rushing action movie with dinosaurs.

For short, that's my opinion about The Lost World.

[Icedhope]

I liked the book more than the cinema-adaption.
In both cases: Jurassic Park & The Lost World.

In 1993 I saw JP in a local movie-theater and was pretty excited. Only 2 years later somehow I found out that there existed a novel which has been written before the movie by some guy called Michael Krigt-sh-ton (found out later that Crichton is called "Cryton"). It turned out to be my favourite book I've ever read at that time and I suddenly wondered why so many elements weren't used in the movie. I liked the scientific background, the turns in the story and the rather darker tone of the book.

In 1996 I was very surprised when I read the letters "The dinosaurs are back" in the shop-window of a local bookstore and I realized that Michael Crichton wrote a sequel to Jurassic Park. Of course I immediately bought and read the novel but after finishing it I had to say, that I didn't like it that much like the first book. Of course there were some elements and scenes I really found exciting and when it said on the cover "Steven Spielberg already bought the rights to make a movie out of it" it made me even more exciting.

This was the first time when I read a book before and saw a movie of it afterwards... well and I got not only surprised but also disappointed. The Lost World: Jurassic Park had nearly nothing in common with the novel's storyline.
Although the book's plot wasn't that good the movie's one was even worse (IMO).

In the novels there always were only a few people (stranded) on the island fighting for survival. They had their equipment which seemed to protect them very well at the beginning and as the story continued more and more of the protection got lost.

In the movie TLW there appeared a huge group of people with dozens of specialized vehicles and loads of weapons and it all got damaged and lost in a few minutes. You didn't care about much of the characters because they were so many and seemed to be there just to be fed and justify some running and screaming sequences.

I liked the trailer in the novel, how it was described and how Malcolm's team used their whole equipment: the high-hide, the explorer and the motorbike. Every item was essential and urgent. The trailer was their base were they seemed to be safe.

In the movie the equipment is fastly introduced, you catch a glimpse of the trailer and the 2 mercedes when they drive by and afterwards people are running through the woods. You never see them arriving the island, finding out where to go and setting up their basecamp. It is all rushed. They actually never study dinosaurs, the hunters arrive and night falls in just afterwards. Malcom's team makes the captured dinosaurs run havoc and damage all of the hunter's stuff. (Bringing dinosaurs into a zoo is a very, very bad idea, we are the good guys so better harm or kill all the people who want to do that). Well and very soon there's the T-Rex attack, one car just got kicked over the cliff and minutes later everything else is gone. Boom.

In the novel Dodgson arrived on the island with only one jeep and tried to steal the dinosaur's eggs. His actions finally led to all the horror that followed.

Basically the whole story in the novel captured the element of being abandoned on the island and loosing more and more control when finally managing to escape.
As in the first book all of the happenings stayed afar from the public. So you can believe that it all could have been taken place in reality. Could. There is no public evidence it hasn't.

The movie's decision to play godzilla in San Diego is just as laughable as the M-class beeing able to drag a trailer of 8.5 tons on a muddy surface back from a cliff when the hanger of the RV is dangling in the air, folded in an angle of 90 degrees.

The T-Rex attack in Jurassic Park was very intense and thrilling. The Rex running amok in San Diego is just trivial action.

I know that Michael Crichton only wrote the sequel because he was pushed to (he never wrote a sequel to any of his other successful novels). And you notice that when reading the book: it contains a lot of sequences that already feel like being from a movie.
But Spielberg found even that too lame and pushed it all more to the limit.
At least very much over the top. Lost the essence of the main story for a rather popcorn-esque experience to create a rushing action movie with dinosaurs.

For short, that's my opinion about The Lost World.

I couldn't agree more.

[ClownPrinceJoker]

My 2 cents is that I found it better than 3. Three was a crap-shoot with a lackluster plot merely with the intent on trying to revive the franchise without intelligent motive. They relied on Sam Neill's name/character to hopefully boost enough sales to break even and left the rest up to "Hey look, less story more action!" Because, as Johz said, people just want to see dinosaurs mess s**t up.

At least TLW had action and more character development and struggle, and I don't mean against dinosaurs. Sure it dealt with moral issues but hey, what movie doesn't have those undertones now?

[Golden Tooth]

because it's plain bad.

[Asian Inferno]

Ok I've never understood why everyone hates this film its one of the best of the 3, Jurassic Park being the best and The Lost World on par with it. But the third wasn't as good but it wasn't based off the novels like the other two were, making it to short and feel rushed. But I would like to know your thoughts on the second film.

I actually loved it, not as much as the first, but in my opinion still better than III. I also loved the custom Mercedes M-Class in TLW, which I hope to one day customize and own one.

[FPug]

TLW has always had a place in my heart. Since I was born in 1994, I could only watch the JP VHS until '97....I literally had every single TLW toy they made...EXCEPT THE TRAILERS, which is sad because the trailers were the coolest part of the movie. Now when I go back and watch it I have to admit. A Tyranosaur in San Diego is pretty much every other dinosaur movie...PLUS they never explained what killed the crew on that boat....still, I LOVED The Lost World...the novel wasn't as good as the original.

[Bombillazo]

That's exactly how I interpreted that moment to. The mud represented the fact that Nedry had failed and that he and the embryos were essentially dead and buried. I was rather surprised to hear from the number of people who had considered it an unanswered element. However...



Amen.

Amen too
The shaving cream element was never intended to be a loose plot hole for a future tie-in...

As for my opinion:

JP> TLW>>>>>>>>>>> JP3

TLW:
What made TLW great:
- Unrestricted, natural, dark prehistoric ambiance of isla Sorna. ( I loved the whole concept of Site B).
- Huge team going to an island filled with dinosaurs.
- Plot had substance (even if it lacked polish and some logic).
- Music was epic.

What made TLW suckish:
- Tons of contradicting story plots and logical flaws(They've been mentioned around here).
- Using Ingen as its own enemy when they could've used Biosyn as the novel did.
- No Carnotaurus with chameleon ability like in the novel.

And just throwing it out there:

JP3:
What made JP3 great:
- Dr. Grant
- Isla Sorna
- Pterosaurs

What made JP3 SUCK:
- Simply idiotic plot
- Killing T-Rex
- Barely talking about Ingen and its secret experiments, while
- Creates some couple of canon dilemmas.
- Didn't feel as part of the overarching JP saga and felt more like a side story.

[joek86]

I put it much in the realm of why a lot of people don't like Ghostbusters 2 or Gremlins 2. This first films were so well received that when sequels were announced peoples expectations of what they could be were so high that they really couldn't be met no matter how good the movies were. Heck, even the Back to the Future sequels fell prey to this. Also, some movies are popular to hate, and most of the flack they get now is from people who have never actually seen them, they are just repeating what they've heard like it was their own thought.

[Phoenix123]

I just think the whole San Diego sequence ruins it. Spielberg should have just stuck with the original ending.

[Asian Inferno]

I just think the whole San Diego sequence ruins it. Spielberg should have just stuck with the original ending.
I think the opposite, had they used the original ending the movie would have seemed too short. It would have been anti-climatic, really.

[Bombillazo]

I put it much in the realm of why a lot of people don't like Ghostbusters 2 or Gremlins 2. This first films were so well received that when sequels were announced peoples expectations of what they could be were so high that they really couldn't be met no matter how good the movies were. Heck, even the Back to the Future sequels fell prey to this. Also, some movies are popular to hate, and most of the flack they get now is from people who have never actually seen them, they are just repeating what they've heard like it was their own thought.

So true, its like Zemeckis said (I think), everyone is writing their own sequel in their minds, so when they see the actual movie and it differs from their own thoughts, its hard to please.

[joek86]

Am I the only bugged by the fact that Jurassic Park was pretty much Micheal Crichton re-writing West World which was also written by Crichton? West World also had a sequel called Future World that was poorly received as well (but has since enjoyed a cult status).

[Calbeb]

The first Jurrasic Park was kind of a perfect summer movie. It had likeable characters, which were actually (relatively) well developed by the time the action kicked in. It had a sense of place, and a really cool idea. The early scenes when they first see the dinosaurs is a genuinely beautiful moment with great music. It was a great movie by the time the dinousaurs finally started attacking, and then spectacularly, it was a terrific action movie. The T-Rex scene and raptors in the kitchen set pieces are particularly fantastic.

The second movie, in contrast, was filled with boring characters. You basically had another scientist with little personality beyond a desire to save the dinousaurs, a mathematicain and a gymnast. The hunters weren't good villains, as, honestly, they weren't the ones who were blindly putting human lives in danger.

Even the big set pieces were kind of lame. The T-Rex chase isn't anywhere near as exciting as the one from the first film. The two t-rex scene is kind of cool, but doesn't impact in the same visceral way as the trex on the car scene in the first one. The raptors are made substantially less dangerous by the fact that they can be killed through the amazing powers of gymnastics.

And that's not even bringing up Godzilla T-Rex from the last bit of the movie.

What has me so excited about Telltales game is that they are saying all the right things about the important of slower character focused moments and plot. If they can get the balance right from the first film, I would be happy. As is, both the Lost World and Jurrasic Park 3 were incredibly dissapointing to me.

[Watsamax]

I personally loved JP2. Wish there that they actually killed the dang dinosaurs that had guns ffs...

[NuLegend1992]

Makes no sense to me why The Lost World's been given so much stick either - I love the film a lot, and it used to be my favourite JP film until I got to buy the 4 disc Trilogy boxset. I thought it was a more than worthy follow up to JP1 in terms of storyline and the use of its characters, which is more than I can say for the lightweight JP3. The idea of seeing dinosaurs on their own turf without being fenced in was one of the best things about the film that caught my attention. I especially loved how the T-Rex's part in the story was handled - I felt it was refreshing to see a more tender, caring side to him as opposed to just terrorising humans for the sake of it. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind. I've just always had a thing for films that strive to portray their creatures as more than just relentless, bloodthirsty killing machines.

[FPug]

....at least there are no Di-hu-dogs mentioned anywhere....

[Watsamax]

Imagine if Michael Bay made a jurassic park they'd be exploding everywhere and Eric would of been a hot chick.

[synJP]

What made JP3 SUCK:
- Killing T-Rex
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INDEED! You can't just do that to a T-Rex...King cant get dethroned so easily

[Dameon2k]

I liked the Arcade game The Lost World.....does that count for something? LOL

[SchottGun]

I'd say it's the same reason why people hate Avatar so much, the movie decided to be preachy about the evils of man, who was extracting minerals so that humanity could survive, while blatantly ignoring the evils of the Na'vi, who slaughtered an unarmed human ambassador merely because they didn't see us as being worthy to talk to them, who call us insane, and are more sensitive that even the Middle East nations. So many people, myself included, found themselves cheering on the RDA and Colonel Quaritch in the film's third act rather than the protagonists.

Don't try pushing a "corporations are the minions of Satan" moral on people in a movie that's the sequel of a movie whose moral was "Don't play God," no matter how liberal the scientists were or how conservative Hammond was, it's not a good idea. Politics should be left out of an adventure movie because you'll just end up angering half of your fan base.

Just wanted to say that this was very well put. I agree with this 100%

As far as the sequals, I was fine with them. I put 2 and 3 in the same boat and expect the 4th to be about that level. I never expected a sequel to be better than the first.

With all the talk with the first 2 books on here lately though has me intrigued on checking it out

[Astrodog]

I had really high expectations after the first movie, and after watching The Lost World for the first time, i walked out pretty dissapointed. Today, i have different feelings towards The Lost World. There are lots of memorable scenes, and i think the movie is pretty good. The scene where they hunt for different dinosaurs, the cars and the T-Rex couple, and the Compys are incredible.
But the ending in the city still feels pushed, and thats just what it was. Steven Spielberg just wanted a scene with a T-Rex running around in a city.
The characters were not that interesting, and it lacked character development. It was pathetic when Malcolms kid used her gymnastic skills to kill a velociraptor.
Instead of sending real hunters, InGen should have sent a group of athletic kids.

[Ofnir]

Basically there was too much to suspend disbelief on...Like almost the entire San Diego sequence, gymnastics, and the how all the hunter vehicles were designed for toy marketability rather than actual functionality (giant roboclaw on the humvee. Side seat that slides out, instead of a turret with a stabilizing mount, and so on).

A lot of the independent things I have a problem with in Lost World has already been covered: The hippy good-guys, preachiness, and whatnot. On that front, the biggest problem I had was when the photographer guy disabled the large caliber bullets; about the only thing that might have taken down the Rex in the worst case scenario. While it's dumb, a lot of the environuts I've encountered are stupid enough to do something like that.

That's not to say I dislike the movie. It's entertaining, but it definitely has issues. I personally rate it on the same level as 3. 3 is less fun and has its own issues, but I find it a lot more believable than 1/2 the stuff in TLW.

[Bombillazo]

INDEED! You can't just do that to a T-Rex...King cant get dethroned so easily

Yes, they should've left the battle uncertain, like the people leave the battle before they know what happened

[Bombillazo]

Basically there was too much to suspend disbelief on...Like almost the entire San Diego sequence, gymnastics, and the how all the hunter vehicles were designed for toy marketability rather than actual functionality (giant roboclaw on the humvee. Side seat that slides out, instead of a turret with a stabilizing mount, and so on).

A lot of the independent things I have a problem with in Lost World has already been covered: The hippy good-guys, preachiness, and whatnot. On that front, the biggest problem I had was when the photographer guy disabled the large caliber bullets; about the only thing that might have taken down the Rex in the worst case scenario. While it's dumb, a lot of the environuts I've encountered are stupid enough to do something like that.

That's not to say I dislike the movie. It's entertaining, but it definitely has issues. I personally rate it on the same level as 3. 3 is less fun and has its own issues, but I find it a lot more believable than 1/2 the stuff in TLW.

I agree, some concepts in TLW were pretty farfetched, like the gymnastics, some things in the San Diego scene and hunters never killing the dinos even thought they have tons of guns. Although I think the hunter equipment wasn't that exaggerated. InGen custom built them for gathering the dinos as fast as possible and without injuring them.

Nick was pretty crazy to do what he did with the guns, but as you've pointed out, there are some real people that are willing to do that for real.

IMO I think JP3 requires much more suspension of disbelief... Starting with its weak plot in itself. The premise sounded cool, but was poorly executed and required certain degree of suspension of disbelief. I was most of the time watching the movie thinking "oh no, no please dont tell me... that cant be... yep, *sigh*, as if..." ex. the cellular phone surviving inside the dinosaur and being heard from inside its digestive system, Grant having front row seats in a Rex vs Spino fight, Spinosaurus having a human radar, Grant's retconning Raptor dream, Billy's Aviary air ride (yay!), Dr. Grant falling for the same trick as the first movie to go back to the islands, this time knowing whats actually there, a dumb@$$ like paul kirby being even able to trick Dr Grant and the mercs to go on said trip, Billy surviving, an entire Navy AND Marines fleet going to isla Sorna, the mercenaries having butt loads of explosives that cant destroy an airplane but cant even kill a dinosaur? JP3 had its fair share of unbelievable moments...

[Astrodog]

The third JP-movie has more plot holes than the second one, here are some of the worst ones:
1.The Velociraptors have feathers on their heads, i know that paleontologists have found this to be very likely. But what about the consistence of the movies? How is it possible for Velociraptors to mutate in a couple of years?
2.Alan Grant blows in the thing, and communicates with Velociraptors, how does he know what he is communicating? What if he accidently communicates that the raptors should attack?
3.How did that stupid kid survive?

[Ofnir]

RE the vehicles designed for quick capture...You'd need some custom stuff for the bigger animals; but most of the dinos they were after were parasaurolophus sized or smaller, which is well-within normal zoological capture grounds. There's already plenty of stuff built for that. And I personally think it looks cooler than a lot of what they came up with for TLW.The one thing they made up I like was the Rex cage. It made a lot of sense: restrict its movement as much as possible while keeping it what seems a fairly standard Rex sleeping position, while still keeping it movable by a heavy lift chopper like a Chinook or Skycrane.

The dumb stuff, like I said, was the side-seat, where even a basic roof turret would have made a lot more sense mechanically, from an operator and animal safety standpoint, and has been a pretty standard piece of equipment since they started arming trains after the Civil War. The Roboclaw makes a bit of sense in how it was deployed it against the Pachy, but was goofy, cartoonish, and needlessly complex for what is basically a safari operation; and was pointless given that they were just dropping other dinos with tranqs from the deploy-seat jeeps in the middle of a stampede. Again, obviously designed for toy sales over anything else.

As for the stuff in 3: The mercs in 3 didn't seem the most professional from the get-go...more like cheap bodyguards than a more professional outfit like Blackwater, Орёл, or Pathfinder. This means they'd be more prone to panic like they did, and not be familiar with their equipment like they were in the film. That's a historical problem with employing mercs that goes back as far as we have records of using mercs. I also seem to recall a few random shots off-screen of the gun, then you don't see it deployed again, which means we don't actually know how effective the gun is against a dinosaur. I just assumed the guy panic-shot it while he was running away and missed, which is reasonable given how often even trained military personnel miss (seriously look up war accuracy ratios. They expend thousands of rounds for every confirmed hit they make in combat). A gung-ho amateur in a panic would do even worse, especially with a canon like they had. On Grant, greed is a powerful motivating factor. Just look at the stupid stuff people do repeatedly IRL for money and how often people fall for the same con scams several times before catching on. There's a reason the Nigerian Prince scam from the dawn of the internet is still going around. Finally, the phone surviving the Spinosaur stomach is a bit problematic, but not outside the realm of possible. My dog ate my sister's tamagotchi back when those were the in thing, and it still functioned after it passed though. Not that anyone wanted to use it much after that, heh.

I'll admit the Navy and Marines thing was pretty dumb. The raptor confusion, and change in raptor appearance things too. But my point wasn't that JP3 was believable and didn't have problems itself; it was just less cartoonishly goofball for the sake of appealing to small children than TLW.

[_djs_]

I don't know... O simply loved this one!

[Armakuni]

There are quite a number of reasons why I dislike this movie, but the biggest problem I have with it, and the first one I 'noticed' back when watching it in theatres for the first time is - the movie has always really bored me.
I've never felt immersed in any way while watching it, it lost all the 'magic' the first movie had.

It's hard to nail down one specific reason for that, it's probably a combination of several factors. The storyline isn't interesting, it's much too ridiculous... I can take some stupid stuff in an otherwise good movie but this one just takes the stupid stuff too far, the characters are boring and the very typical complaint you often hear - "I couldn't care less what happens to anyone in this movie" very much applies here.

Basically any scene featuring only humans is awfully dull, the only entertaining aspect of the movie is watching the actual dinos... not as part of a storyline but just as something that looks cool on its own.

If someone cut out everything but the scenes involving dinos, in both JP2 & 3... I'd rather watch that.

[Bombillazo]

Yeah, I agree the Vehicles were not that incredibly smart design, but they were believable to a certain extent. (I do too like the Rex transportation cage)



As for the stuff in 3: The mercs in 3 didn't seem the most professional from the get-go...more like cheap bodyguards than a more professional outfit like Blackwater, Орёл, or Pathfinder. This means they'd be more prone to panic like they did, and not be familiar with their equipment like they were in the film. That's a historical problem with employing mercs that goes back as far as we have records of using mercs. I also seem to recall a few random shots off-screen of the gun, then you don't see it deployed again, which means we don't actually know how effective the gun is against a dinosaur. I just assumed the guy panic-shot it while he was running away and missed, which is reasonable given how often even trained military personnel miss (seriously look up war accuracy ratios. They expend thousands of rounds for every confirmed hit they make in combat). A gung-ho amateur in a panic would do even worse, especially with a canon like they had.

Uh, yep, that seems like a lot of suspension of disbelief to me... One shot and explosion like that would injure any dino in its proximity, even more so scare them. They had pretty potent arms for being some amateurs. I think this cast has heavily underused and killed off too quickly.

Also the cellphone alone idea was kinda lame and cartoonish, first not only did it survive inside a dino's stomach, it always soundedoff when the cast was near it and was a nuclear battery that gives it 500 days of use in one charge.


I'll admit the Navy and Marines thing was pretty dumb. The raptor confusion, and change in raptor appearance things too. But my point wasn't that JP3 was believable and didn't have problems itself; it was just less cartoonishly goofball for the sake of appealing to small children than TLW.

Yep, both had their share when compared to JP, its a thing of what ur able to let go and what irritates you in each movie that makes you decide which one is less real that the other :P

[JGennaro]

I disagree with everybody who didn't like the movie to be honest...I actually thought it was the best of the 3 - PERIOD. I worked at a movie theater for about 5 years during this time period and I saw this over and over and we had many, many repeat customers...anyways, it was my favorite. So there you go..

[Systemaddict]

I always thought it was good. But it lost some of the magic from the first one. It's hard to say why, but maybe it's just easier to be cynical the second go around. You know...it's cool to hate what's cool - that sort of thing.

[MasCot]

I have noticed too that many people hate TLW.

I love it on the other hand, I have seen it in a movie theater when I was 9 years old, so it has a huge nostalgia value for me. Also, it stars the coolest character from the first film: Ian Malcolm.

I don't really care about realism or plot holes, I just love that movie.:) There are other films like that, such as Home Alone. So many people hate it, but I couldn't care less.:)

[Doomeniek]

The ruins of nublar with dino's who are still alive!
I always wondered what the aftermath should look like and wished they could take me back to for example a weathered and ruined visitor centre!

But still, with a trip down memory lane you don't have a good movie plot.

Awell, this was my first thought when I heard of a sequel of jp back in the days!

Cheers from holland!

[Masta23]

I don't. I loved it.

[omelettetdq3z]

I think people dont like it when compared to the book, like me. Everything is worse when compared to the book- even the first one. As a movie, I like the first one the best and the last two equally.

[Johro]

It's not terrible...but the gymnastics, the boat, the Rex in civilization... I had a big problem with

[NSpringfield]

I personally liked it, even after reading the book. Though I still wonder how the crew got killed on the transport boat. The music was great, as expected from John Williams. I found the OST a couple years ago, but somehow the CD got a small crack over the years, and now it skips the first two tracks :(

[RaptorJesus]

I liked the Lost World best of all. I got to see a lot more T-Rex action.

[RaptorsRwk]

I dare say i loved TLW and still do mostly because of the sense of nostalgia i get from watching it.

[Alcoremortis]

Because it sucked.

Seriously, this is what I think. We have a great storyline to follow from the first movie. After watching the first one, I wanted to know what happened to the shaving cream canister from the first (at least tell tale seems to have gotten that right so far). When I realized it wasn't going that way, I had a hard time coming to terms with the plot. They lost me on one detail and they never really got me back.

This would be something to take up with Michael Crichton, who didn't seem to think it was important. Sadly this is now impossible, but whatever.

Having said that, the creators of the movie completely disregarded his book anyway when they were making the sequel so who knows what could have been possible.

[menot]

I'd say it's the same reason why people hate Avatar so much, the movie decided to be preachy about the evils of man, who was extracting minerals so that humanity could survive, while blatantly ignoring the evils of the Na'vi, who slaughtered an unarmed human ambassador merely because they didn't see us as being worthy to talk to them, who call us insane, and are more sensitive that even the Middle East nations. So many people, myself included, found themselves cheering on the RDA and Colonel Quaritch in the film's third act rather than the protagonists.Good job missing the whole point, then.

Avatar isn't about the evils of man, it's about the evils of misused technology. The military dudes are bad, though not out of any sociopathy. Quaritch wants to protect the RDA, and doesn't really care how many Na'vi have to die to accomplish that goal. By contrast, the Science Team just wants to study the planet and the Navi, using technology to do so--or did you not notice the giant blue cat-bodies made of science they were walking around in?--and are the good guys.

Humanity doesn't need Unobtanium to survive. It's used in technology, much like silicon. If we ran out of silicon deposits right now, we'd survive, though it might not be easy. Unobtanium was used mostly for transit and in the spaceships they used to go and mine more Unobtanium. We're not talking crude oil here. Grace even comes to Parker and Quaritch and explains that she's discovered something that might be able to help Earth, and they just laugh at her.

The reason Neytiri nearly killed Jake was because she thought he was a spy(and he was). The RDA and Navi have been in conflict for years at this point, so I can't really blame her. This is what happens in real life when people don't listen to each other. And I mean both sides. I don't recall any human ambassadors getting killed in cold-blood by Navi onscreen, though. And remember, Humanity are the alien invaders as far as the Navi were concerned.

The entire point of the film is about the blending of both cultures, not that one is inherently better than the other. It's the combination of Jake's human and Navi knowledge that lets the day be saved, not that he's inherently better than them.

I know it's a bit srs business, but I've found myself honestly disturbed at how many people sincerely espouse the imperialism the film decries, just cause the RDA has k3wl m3ch4.

As for the Lost World: yeah, I liked the book better.

[Tirien]

The first movie was the best, it had most of the adventure one wanted from the game, it had lush landscape (Altho the lost world also had it) but when they took cars etc over to this island, it somehow destroyed any sense of "immersion".

I mean, they might aswell have offered arnold a part in the movie, or sylvester stallone.

And when they took T-rex over to the mainland ? Jurassic park is not only about dinosaurs, but adventure, lush landscape, exploring them closely.

When the first team went over there, i was sure it will be like the first. But then the other teams arrived it went from adventure to action.

The third jp was without a doubt the worst. It was nice to see sam neill back again, but thats about it.

[Romeosierra616]

Honestly, I love the First move, but after reading the First Novel multiple times( too many to count), I found myself disliking the changes the first movie made from the book. and I HATED how they killed off Muldoon, totally erased Regis, and just scaled the story to it's base plot.

I know, I know, thats how they always do it in Hollywood, but I guess thats why I really liked The Lost World, Because both in the credits and other places its specifically noted that its not based on the novel, Although I loved the book as well.

but yeah, I guess thats my personal reason for enjoying TLW so much, it wasn't based on the book so I felt a little less obligated to dislike it as I seem to more and more w/ the Original.

[SpielbergFan]

I can't understand why "The Lost World" has only 6.1/10 at IMDB. For all the people here who like the movie: log in and rate!;)

I think it was just great entertainment. It was much darker than the first movie, but once again it had fantastic effects and exciting action scenes. Of course the script was a bit weak regarding characterisation, but it was a great adventure film, nothing more, nothing less. I'm so looking forward watching it on blu ray!:)

[Eff One]

I have no idea... I liked all of them equally.

Same here.

[Alstom1995]

I don't hate the Lost World, I just prefer Jurassic Park over it; although i'd liked to of seen the scene in the Pteradactyl resturant and the river chase that were cut.

As for the Lost World I don't like the fact they took out an important scene with Mr Ludlow in the meeting room telling the audience who the people at the beginning were, that and the fact it seems a bit too much like an overrated action movie! But the third one DON'T GET ME STARTED!

[Pitalla]

I loved the lost world because rather than being a zoo with fences it was like a natural reserve or national Park.

However the things that I thought screwed it where 2 things:
The gym girl beating the raptor.
And the San diego Dino.

Yeah true, the T-rex in san diego was a tribute to the original Lost world movie where a Brontosaurus goes to the city. But I still think it could had been a lot waay better.

I would had let the T-rex go nuts on the docks AND in the instalations that would be Jurassic Park San Diego. So it would be trully a come back to Jurassic Park.

You got to admit that is a badass Idea, to bad I cant tell it to Mr Critchon... Ill do a Dia De Muertos Altar for him.

Oh and btw, JP3 It's a profanation. Smells like Anus.
AlanxEllie foerver >=(