What JP3 needed to be great...

[Bombillazo]

I've got my own ideas, but Im interested in what other JP fans think the third entry needed to be at the level of JP and (for some myself included) TLW.

[Irishmile]

for one it needed to be longer... other than that... I dunno ... a novel by Crichton and be directed by Spielberg?

But I actually really like JP3.. its my least favorite.. but I liked it.

[FPug]

It was just OOOOOOkay. I wish Crichton would have written a book to base the movie off of.

[Irishmile]

I think many people were not willing to give it a chance because of the lack of Crichton and or Speilberg... and like many things once people have made up their mind they are not willing to change it... and its become "cool" to rip on it.

[waroftheworlds01]

Let me start by saying I enjoyed JP3. I don't consider it a bad film. It was very enjoyable and a lot of fun to watch and I still watch it today.

However,

It should have been much longer. The movie was very short but at the same time it wasn't exactly plot heavy. You have two novels full of materal they could have pulled from but instead they go with a "Kid lost on island after parasailing" idea? I still don't understand it.

Here's what they could have done. They could have followed The Lost World novel more closely. Have it so that Levin goes to the island to study the dinosaurs (because, like Billy, He's a man who likes to see and touch and not deal with bones). Of course, things go wrong and he gets stranded. He uses his satalite phone to call for help but the U.S. Embassy won't do a damn thing. So instead he calls Dr. Grant (trying to stick close to what they did in JP3). Grant wants to get a team together to rescue Levin but he lacks funds to do so. But... he is approached by a very shady character by the name of Dodgson who agrees to fund the rescue team. With Grant's team and Dodgson's team ready, they head off to Isla Sorna.

From here, You can go in many directions. Perhaps Dodgson does to Grant's people like he does to Sarah in the novel and throws them over board but they are able to swim to the island anyway. Or maybe they try to keep the sharade going untill finally they realize that Dodgson is there for dinosaurs eggs. The possiblities are endless... and far better than what happend in the third film.

But again, I did like the thrid movie. But you can't deny that, Just like the second one, potential was missed.

[FPug]

The only reason there was a Lost World was because of Spielberg, Crichton didn't like writing sequels.

[Trenchfoot]

I think the movie is OK, but it could be a lot better if you changed a couple of things...

- First of all, move the Rex vs. Spino fight to later in the movie (I would suggest the end of it but depends on each one), make it longer as it lasts for hardly 30 seconds and leave the result open-ended, as the humans escape.
I would have had the Rex be the main antagonist for the first act of the film and then let the Spino dominate the picture.

- Second, make the mercenaries last for longer or at least let them die in a more badass way. Remember the gun they used to explode that plane... Why they never used that? Sure, it was more useful for steady targets, but still... I would have tried instead of running away from a best that with one step can catch up with me extremly easy.
Cooper dies crying, Nash dies screaming and whining and Udesky just stops and screams. They should have kept the deleted scene where he fights the raptors with a stick. It would have added a lot more to probably the best new character of the film.

- Third, keep Billy dead. He redeemed himself by sacrificing his life to save the others. If he shows up at the end it kinda ruins all that.

- Fourth, tone down the family story. The fishing story comes to mind, for example. It tries to be a character development moment, but it just doesn't work as we don't really care for the Kirbys. Maybe except for Paul, they're not likeable, at least in my opinion.

- And fifth, I would have tried to fully use those dinosaurs that are just there. For example, instead of having the Spino appear in every freakin' scene and make it look like a stalker, why not take advantage of the Ceratosaurus? Sadly it only has one scene and its a pretty pointless one. Worst of all, the line "I can't help but feel offended" was actually funny and got cut. Why? No clue.
And what about the herbivores? They can be dangerous too. Imagine a scene where the Raptors fight the Ankylosaurus. Would have been great...

Sorry if I sound kinda nasty, but that's how I feel. Johnston is a director with a lot of potential, but they should have tried for a more interesting story instead of the rushed stuff they thought of.

Also, I think that TLW should have had the original planned ending with the Pterodactyls and save the "Dinos in the city" stuff for the third movie...

[waroftheworlds01]

- First of all, move the Rex vs. Spino fight to later in the movie (I would suggest the end of it but depends on each one), make it longer as it lasts for hardly 30 seconds and leave the result open-ended, as the humans escape.
I would have had the Rex be the main antagonist for the first act of the film and then let the Spino dominate the picture.


I like this. It may seem silly to bring this movie up as an example. But... Have you seen Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs? They had the T-Rex in there but they also had a bigger dinosaur in there as well. I can't remeber what they called it (I only saw it once) but they kept it hidden and didn't reveal it untill the very end. They would only give hints at what it was.

They could have did this with the spinosaurus. Have the T-Rex the main baddy but keep showing bits of the Spino and then at the end it show up all like "REEEAAAHHHHHH!" and all that. lol Kind of like in Dino Crisis 2 when that huge T-Rex looking thing (I think it was called Gigantosaurus) shows up at the last minunte and totally destroys the T-Rex. That was awesome.

[Bombillazo]

I think the movie is OK, but it could be a lot better if you changed a couple of things...

- First of all, move the Rex vs. Spino fight to later in the movie (I would suggest the end of it but depends on each one), make it longer as it lasts for hardly 30 seconds and leave the result open-ended, as the humans escape.
I would have had the Rex be the main antagonist for the first act of the film and then let the Spino dominate the picture.

- Second, make the mercenaries last for longer or at least let them die in a more badass way. Remember the gun they used to explode that plane... Why they never used that? Sure, it was more useful for steady targets, but still... I would have tried instead of running away from a best that with one step can catch up with me extremly easy.
Cooper dies crying, Nash dies screaming and whining and Udesky just stops and screams. They should have kept the deleted scene where he fights the raptors with a stick. It would have added a lot more to probably the best new character of the film.

- Third, keep Billy dead. He redeemed himself by sacrificing his life to save the others. If he shows up at the end it kinda ruins all that.

- Fourth, tone down the family story. The fishing story comes to mind, for example. It tries to be a character development moment, but it just doesn't work as we don't really care for the Kirbys. Maybe except for Paul, they're not likeable, at least in my opinion.

- And fifth, I would have tried to fully use those dinosaurs that are just there. For example, instead of having the Spino appear in every freakin' scene and make it look like a stalker, why not take advantage of the Ceratosaurus? Sadly it only has one scene and its a pretty pointless one. Worst of all, the line "I can't help but feel offended" was actually funny and got cut. Why? No clue.
And what about the herbivores? They can be dangerous too. Imagine a scene where the Raptors fight the Ankylosaurus. Would have been great...

Sorry if I sound kinda nasty, but that's how I feel. Johnston is a director with a lot of potential, but they should have tried for a more interesting story instead of the rushed stuff they thought of.

Also, I think that TLW should have had the original planned ending with the Pterodactyls and save the "Dinos in the city" stuff for the third movie...

I agree with most of these point, specially 1 and 2. Really... I mean, I do like JP3, its still JP, but it fell way below my expectations. And I didnt even have them that high cause im open to new ideas, that actually drive the overall plot of the series.

To me, the whole rescue mission was already done in part on TLW, so why another one? I liked the idea someone mentioned, though, if it were to rescue a person who Grant really cared about and was worth really going again to a dino filled island. And have Biosyn get involved at some point. When I saw the trailer, I was really excited for this movie, they were going a new direction and innovating, which is good, but they ended up destroying much of JP along the way (IMO) for the sake of being different...

[Alpharaptor]

I agree with a lot of what Trenchfoot said. I thought the third movie was alright but didn't really have that Jurassic Park feel to it. I felt that it was kind of rushed and the story was pretty cheesy to me. I feel like they were pressured in making another Jurassic Park movie at the four year interval (JP-1993, TLW-1997, JP3-2001). I thought if they did make a fourth movie, it would have for sure debuted in 2005. I like what waroftheworlds01 said about the Spino being elusive and showing up last minute. That would have been pretty cool. I also agree with what Irishsmile said about Crichton and Spielberg. Crichton makes amazing stories and Spielberg depicts them really well.

[Irishmile]

I think another major turn off was as mentioned replacing the T-rex as the big badass with the Spinosaurus. Its like if they made a jaws movie and had the shark owned by a squid.. It takes away some of the fear away from the rex... seems counter productive when they spent two movies building the Rex up to be the top dog.

I really liked the Spinosaurus I would just have liked the T-rex to have been more of the focus instead.

[robotpo]

I've got my own ideas, but Im interested in what other JP fans think the third entry needed to be at the level of JP and (for some myself included) TLW.

How about a story? The third movie should have had dinosaurs running around the jungles of Costa Rica and infringing on rural settlements, such as small villages and farms, which Crichton established in the original novel.

The thing should have featured Grant, Malcolm, Levine, Thorne, Arby Benton, Dodgson, Basleton, King, Marty Guittierez, and a cameo by Hammond, plus involvement with BioSyn Corporation and the Costa Rican government.

New characters could include a female lead who is closer to the fiery, capable and heroic Sarah Harding from TLW novel, (played by Catherine Zeta-Jones perhaps?), a US Military Officer who is on the BioSyn payroll and attempting to cover-up the dinosaur infringement in Costa Rica, (Sean Bean?), and an older scientist who is Arby's father, (Keith David)?

Keep the Spino and the Pteranodons and throw in the color-changing Carnotaurs, the Raptor attack on a high location and the subsequent jeep chase through the Raptor nest/motorcycle chase through the Apatosaur heard, a bit of T-Rex action for good measure, DX Disease transferring from Dinosaurs to people to introduce a "medical thriller" aspect, and some more science and cool hardware as in the first two films, (such as Malcolm and Levine's debates on adaptation and biology as animals invade a new environment, more Chaos stuff with Gambler's Ruin, a version of Malcolm and Hammond's conversation from the original novel about dinosaurs taking over the world or the absurdity of that very notion, and some vehicles and equipment used to track/capture/defend against the infringing dinosaurs.

There's your movie. Unfortunately, I don't think that Joe Johnston or any of the "writers" who worked on JP3 ever read either of the books...probably because they can't read! :cool:

[starpooled]

The third movie was definetely the worst out of the three. First off, they made it into more of a family themed movie which killed it. The kid was a terrible actor. Second, the dinosaurs seemed too intelligent especially the raptors. They seemed to be trying to be more scientifically accurate instead of making the movie more shocking. That's why the first movie was so great. The dinos didn't have feathers. The were cold fast intelligent and reptilian. Also, spielberg left alsot to the imagination which johnson didn't do with cheesy death scenes. U hear muldoon, u hear nedry, but ir imagination does the rest. Also, spielberg is heavy on playing with letting your imagination do the work. U hear about the jungle river ride, but never see it. U hear about the raptors testing the fences and able to run at cheetah speed, but never see it. Sorry for the rant, but my point is that spielberg showed just enough, not too much and it was awesome. Sorry, writing this from a phone, so if it doesn't make sense ill correct it later.

[evolution_rex]

To me, the whole point of Jurassic Park 3 was to use the parts from the novels that were never used in the movies, especially The Lost World. But, they failed. They should used more parts of the novels, and got rid of Spinosaurus. They should of had Carnotaurus becuase it wasn't in TLW. it would have been very disappointing for a hard-core JP fan to have rid the books first and then watch TLW, and then hoping that JP3 would make up for it. It had a lot of potential and could have gone well, but they chose the wrong plot idea.

There are things I like about the movie. the Pterosaurs were a great addition. I personally love the raptors in JP3, despite the fact that they look nothing like the ones from the other films. I also liked that they introduced Grant again. But that's all I really liked.

All in all, the film was okay. It wasn't bad at all, but it had high expectations and a lot of potential. That's what made it so bad for me.

[leon101]

for one it needed to be longer... other than that... I dunno ... a novel by Crichton and be directed by Spielberg?

But I actually really like JP3.. its my least favorite.. but I liked it.

Yeah, the first movie was 127 mins the second movie was 129 mins and the third was only 92. So it is shorter, but not by that much.

[Irishmile]

Oh another thing that kind of bugged me about JP3 is that they split up Alan and Ellie.... Why did they have to go and do that? They could have easily have written it so she just wanted to stay home... Its not like she wasn't in the film because she was.

[Icedhope]

This is what I would have done to make JP3 Better.

* Leave the Rex fight opened ended, have the surviors of the crash run off and Just hear both animals roar.

*Have the mercs last longer, and kept a few of them around.

* Focus more on what Ingen cut off the Cloning list.

* Have the raptors, play a minimal role...the egg stealing is kind of a cliche point...in the JP universe.

*Curb, the spino's hunger..and stalkerish quality.

[FPug]

I think they went a little too far with the whole "Raptors are intelligent" thing, to a point where it seemed UNbelievable. They kind of threw the whole idea out the window when Grant was able to trick the whole pack....RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!

I agree that they should have used parts from the book that weren't used. I also wish they wouldn't have just killed off all the characters in the beginning so THEY could develop too. The movie wasn't bad...it just wasn't good.

[anashastar]

So Over the years I've seen that a lot of people don't like JP3 and I feel like I don't understand why really.

I'm one of those people who gets super angry about movie adaptations when they make drastic changes. But with JP I've come to see both the book and the movie as two amazing works in their own right even though in retrospect they are drastically different, which would typically anger me. And I know a lot of people tend to knit pick the movie due to book canon.

So that's why if anything shouldn't more people like JP3? The plot elements were actually pretty novel canon. I'd like to hear opinions :] How do you fans feel about JP3?

And also if telltale were to make seasons of all 3 movies, would you want to see JP3 done also?

[jpsandhu]

I loved Jurassic Park 3!!!!

And I would LOVE to see Telltale do a season for that movie!!!!

[robotpo]

1. JP3 didn't have a story, and didn't advance the mythos of the series whatsoever. Sadly, they actually had what could have been a lot better: a script that featured Pteranodons escaping from Site B and attacking the mainland! This version of the film was cast, budgeted, and location-scouted, and but scrapped five weeks before filming in favor of the usless "rescue" idea. Plus, the entire thing was dumb and dopey, with no science, no interesting ideas, characters, or dialogue, and William H. Macy playing dull version of his character from the awesome "Fargo".

2. The dinosaurs acted like rampaging monsters and not animals. Why is the Spino obsessed with a small, dwindling group of humans on an island TEEMING with larger, much more plentiful game, (in the film's defense, the Rex did the same thing in the original novel)?

3. The action was boring, badly-shot, and repetitive.

4. There was no need for another film set on Isla Sorna right after TLW...or set an island at all, for that matter; it should have been in the Costa Rican jungle.

5. As you're inferred, if they couldn't come up with a story of their own, there was enough unused from the novels that could have sustained an entire film: dinosaurs in the jungle of Costa Rica, abberant forms, DX disease, the "mystery" element from both novels, Richard Levine, Jack Thorne, Lewis Dodgson and BioSyn, George Basleton, Marty Guittierez, the Raptor attack on the High Hide and the subsequent Jeep chase through the Raptor nest/motorcycle chase through the Apatosaur herd, Red Queen, Gambler's Ruin, talk of evolution, adaptation, and extinction, ETC...it was a HUGE wasted opportunity. At least they included a variation of the Aviary scene from the first novel.

6. AND IT KILLED THE FRANCHISE! :p

But I still stand by my eternal and undying love of TLW...one of the most under-appreciated adventure films of all time, along with "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". Yep, I said it! :cool:

And yep, I wouldn't mind Telltale doing another "midquel" for JP3, at least to try and salvage the thing...

[HooblaDGN]

While there are many things I could point out, I'll stick with one:

That stupid woman constantly screaming. Not only is it annoying as hell, it also goes heavily against JP's typical strong female figure.

[robotpo]

That was a woman?

[MasCot]

1. My great problem with JP3 was that it contained several great scenes, but they were just put after each other without any stops where the audience could have rested a bit, it was just bambambam.

For example, the crash landing scene with the Spinosaurus was awesome, the Aviary scene was awesome, the laboratory scene was kinda good, the Rex-Spino fight (although I hated that Spino won) was also great. We should have been allowed to sit back a little sometimes.

2. The Spinosaurs and Velociraptors were given too much personality, escecially the latter. They were too intelligent while the Spino was stalking the humans just for the hell of it. They did not seem instinct-driven.

3. When the army arrived, why, WHY did we not have a dinos vs. soldiers battle? Spinosaurus could have appeared once again, it harassed the heroes anyway and Pteranodons could have attacked the helicopters.

4. Speaking of battle, the mercenaries could have been given a more prominent role.

[Watsamax]

JP3 was good IMO. But it should of have the mercenaries stronger. Really no JP movie ever shows any dinosaurs being harmed by firearms unless its a tranquilizer. They should of hid the spinosaurous more. Maybe had him eat cooper than disappear for a bit. The fight scene should of been long ect. Eric shouldn't of been a Rambo kid surviving in a dino infested island for 2 months. Udesky should of fought off the raptors when he was killed *deleted scene*. Thats about it. But could of made it so much better.

[ferreira0665]

I agree Jp3 wasn't a great movie but it to me while full of an extensive amount of cliches was better than the lost world. The reason why TLW is underappreciated is because Spielberg actually dropped the originally ending of the movie with Pterodons attacking the helicopter and decided to go with T-Rex in San Diego. I had had some respect for Spielberg before then. And then he decided to do something really really stupid. TLW should have been closer to the book with 8 people on the island. not 50, 8.

The greatest flaw with JP3 is that they shouldn't have been anywhere near the island for their parasailing or gliding or whatever the hell it was they were doing to make the events in JP3 seem completely pointless.

I have thought about remaking the films closer to the books and having JP3 really focus on the major subplot of the first novel. Spielberg killed the franchise and Johnston tried to save it but it was a hard thing to save after the T-Rex in San Diego fiasco since Spielberg produced JP3.

[ferreira0665]

Aside from that I thought that the makers incorporating the real research that had been developed and discovered about the raptors and putting it into the movie was actually interesting. And I am glad that the Raptors weren't just in the end like they were in the previous two films.

[Bombillazo]

1. JP3 didn't have a story, and didn't advance the mythos of the series whatsoever. Sadly, they actually had what could have been a lot better: a script that featured Pteranodons escaping from Site B and attacking the mainland! This version of the film was cast, budgeted, and location-scouted, and but scrapped five weeks before filming in favor of the usless "rescue" idea. Plus, the entire thing was dumb and dopey, with no science, no interesting ideas, characters, or dialogue, and William H. Macy playing dull version of his character from the awesome "Fargo".

2. The dinosaurs acted like rampaging monsters and not animals. Why is the Spino obsessed with a small, dwindling group of humans on an island TEEMING with larger, much more plentiful game, (in the film's defense, the Rex did the same thing in the original novel)?

3. The action was boring, badly-shot, and repetitive.

4. There was no need for another film set on Isla Sorna right after TLW...or set an island at all, for that matter; it should have been in the Costa Rican jungle.

5. As you're inferred, if they couldn't come up with a story of their own, there was enough unused from the novels that could have sustained an entire film: dinosaurs in the jungle of Costa Rica, abberant forms, DX disease, the "mystery" element from both novels, Richard Levine, Jack Thorne, Lewis Dodgson and BioSyn, George Basleton, Marty Guittierez, the Raptor attack on the High Hide and the subsequent Jeep chase through the Raptor nest/motorcycle chase through the Apatosaur herd, Red Queen, Gambler's Ruin, talk of evolution, adaptation, and extinction, ETC...it was a HUGE wasted opportunity. At least they included a variation of the Aviary scene from the first novel.

6. AND IT KILLED THE FRANCHISE! :p

But I still stand by my eternal and undying love of TLW...one of the most under-appreciated adventure films of all time, along with "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". Yep, I said it! :cool:

And yep, I wouldn't mind Telltale doing another "midquel" for JP3, at least to try and salvage the thing...

robotpo, you are my new best friend :D

you basically summed it up perfectly, including the underappreciated TLW

[trocks]

The Lost World had a great back story. InGen going into chapter eleven and trying to save itself really showed a different side of the company. A lot happened in that movie and I think it overwhelmed most non-Jurassic Park fans.

I would like to see a movie about something in the Costa Rican jungle. It would work well now with the number of new reality shows about crytozoology and the paranormal. Although I suppose it would be more of a spin-off than a sequel.

[evolution_rex]

I can understand why people dislike the film, but some times people over exaggerate how bad the film is it. It's a great movie, just not as great as the other films.

[HooblaDGN]

I could have stomached The Lost World if its main characters hadn't been so annoying and had Eddie Carr survived. Kill off that stupid Nick guy who had the brilliant idea of bringing a baby rex to the trailer.

[DustyBoy87]

TLW is amazing. It had a good back-story, a great plot, and I enjoyed the characters.

JPIII, although I did like it, was just lazy. :/

[robotpo]

robotpo, you are my new best friend :D

you basically summed it up perfectly, including the underappreciated TLW

Thanks! TLW lovers/JP3 haters unite! ;)


I can understand why people dislike the film, but some times people over exaggerate how bad the film is it. It's a great movie, just not as great as the other films.

Nope, you kind-of need a "plot" to make a great movie! :cool:

[anashastar]

You guys put some really good points though some of them I can't really see why it would be a problem. I saw that a lot of people didn't like the fact that the Velociraptor's were smart but it's been speculated that they were very intelligent creatures and I feel they depicted that fairly reasonably. The Spino however I agree was too smart and persistent :/

I do agree that i feel like the movie was too short but I wouldn't say it didn't have a plot. Though the focus on the rekindling of the family was slightly annoying. But I actually enjoyed Rambo kid :]

I personally love TLW btw and I too agree it was under appreciated. But it's the one I have the hardest time watching because it's the most violent of the 3.

1. My great problem with JP3 was that it contained several great scenes, but they were just put after each other without any stops where the audience could have rested a bit, it was just bambambam.

For example, the crash landing scene with the Spinosaurus was awesome, the Aviary scene was awesome, the laboratory scene was kinda good, the Rex-Spino fight (although I hated that Spino won) was also great. We should have been allowed to sit back a little sometimes.


THIS IS SO TRUE the actions scene were ridiculously one after another.

[SWGNATE]

Thanks! TLW lovers/JP3 haters unite! ;)




Nope, you kind-of need a "plot" to make a great movie! :cool:

i thought that jp1 and TLW were as good as eachother really, great stories,
JP3 comes along and everyones like WTF, i do hope they do another one and ditch the whole "no dinosaur parks " idea, i think that if they do another movie they need to #1 Let us see Site B before the evacuation by INGEN, tresspasser made pre evaced site b sound mad cool, 2 Ingen finding proof of biosyn involvement with the nublar incident. and 3 the ultimate final success of jurassic park as a theme park to end the franchise on a good note.

[groucho983]

I think the basic problem was that whoever wrote the 3rd one basically did a retread of what happened in the second one. "Oh look we're stuck on an island with dinosaurs" was ahead of its time in 1993 (in terms of 3D realism/technology at least), kinda iffy in 1997 (it was a standard sequel made without a lot of interesting ideas/action from the book), and nearly dead when the third one was made. No one really thought anything out other then to use the same "Island+dinosaurs+unsuspecting people" idea.

Like SWGNATE said there are better stories out there that no one has really looked at and unless the game sells like mad, we'll probably never see.

[DustyBoy87]

Lost World was super violent now that I think of it.. holy crap. But that's why I loved it when I was a kid. :)

I dunno about you guys, but the trailer attack scene still keeps me on the edge of my seat. Especially right when the Rexes pass the High Hide.. you KNOW shit is gonna go down..

[piccobello]

Lost World was super violent now that I think of it.. holy crap. But that's why I loved it when I was a kid. :)


I think JP is not about violence and it never needed this kind (remember the Nedry scence? It doesn't even take one drop of blood to be dead scary!)

[anashastar]

I think JP is not about violence and it never needed this kind (remember the Nedry scence? It doesn't even take one drop of blood to be dead scary!)

Agreed, I really didn't like the snake scene in TLW it was just unnecessary and sad to see blood in the waterfall D:

[FPug]

Jurassic Park 3 was a horrible Jurassic Park Movie. But it was an awesome Dinosaur movie.

[evolution_rex]

Nope, you kind-of need a "plot" to make a great movie! :cool:
There is a plot, and it isn't bad either. It could have had a better plot, but it was still a good plot. TLW has less plot then JP3.

[robotpo]

There is a plot, and it isn't bad either. It could have had a better plot, but it was still a good plot. TLW has less plot then JP3.

Oh, please, that's just ridiculous!

Let's see...

The Lost World:
-Family stumbles on island where InGen originally bred dinosaurs, injury of child leads to lawsuit

-John Hammond's conniving nephew uses this as opportunity to take over company and harvest dinos from Site B in order to bail InGen out of Chapter 11 with new JP in San Diego

-Hammond assembles team to create the "most spectacular photo record the world has ever known" to generate public support for protection of the dinosaurs

-Both teams head to island, clash, Green Peace fanatic gets both parties stranded

-Hunters and Researchers have to join forces and make their way to center of island to call for help (the section of the film without a narrative)

-Survivors rescued, conniving head of InGen uses opportunity to try and open attraction based around adult T-Rex, Rex gets loose and rampages through San Diego, is finally contained and returned to island

-Dinosaur-populated island is declared off-limits, fulfilling Hammond's wish

We also got themes of family, countering Malcolm/Sarah/Kelly against the three T-Rexes; a look at environmentalism, animal rights and the blatant corporate capitalist greed of the 80's/90's/present day; expansion of the JP mythos (original breeding ground of Site B, Jurassic Park: San Diego, dinosaurs revealed to world, the ultimate example of what would happen if InGen's dinosaurs made it to the "real" world); some cool hardware, (Trailers, High Hide, Eddie's Jeep's, Hunters' vehicles); a great score by John Williams, ETC...

Jurassic Park 3:
-An idiot plumber's chubby daughter gets stuck on Site B and they bumble around for 75 minutes trying to find her

-Along the the way a Spinosaurs acts like Freddy Kruger and a clueless grad student pisses off a pack of hyper-intelligent Raptors by stealing their eggs

Granted, I kind-of cast TLW in a positive light, and JP3 not so much...still, not much of a comparison really! :cool:

[Bombillazo]

There is a plot, and it isn't bad either. It could have had a better plot, but it was still a good plot. TLW has less plot then JP3.

Plot?? Theres no plot at all, they dont even resolve the only interesting tid-bit attempts at a plot of mentioning InGen's unregistered dinosaurs, or what dino killed the crew at the beginning of the movie. Its just a dumb rescue mission/monster movie that makes no sense and rehashed ideas from previous movie in an attempt to make a quick buck out of the franchise. Not to mention the terrible pacing and so much wasted opportunities.

Now, I do like some things about JP3, including Dr. Grant, the Spino (even though the Rex-Spino fight was terrible), the Ingen Lab and Aviary, and the pteradons.

Having that said, its nothing how it should've been.

[Watsamax]

I do think JP3 should of enolved more around Ingen they were barley mentioned. The spino was two smart and was everywhere. Normally it would control this part and not go over there. The raptors were smart I dont mind, But I do look back now at the first JP and see a raptor opening a door and kinda say stupid. Remake of any JP moves not 3 becuase its newer. But still its even 10 years old :eek:. I wouldnt mind but if so do it now before actors get a lot older/dying.

[FPug]

Oh, please, that's just ridiculous


Jurassic Park 3:
-An idiot plumber's chubby daughter gets stuck on Site B and they bumble around for 75 minutes trying to find her

...........you know it was a boy right?

[robotpo]

...........you know it was a boy right?

That was a BOY?!?! :eek::eek::eek: I thought it was "Erica Kirby"...? :confused:

[anashastar]

Oh, please, that's just ridiculous!

Jurassic Park 3:
-An idiot plumber's chubby daughter gets stuck on Site B and they bumble around for 75 minutes trying to find her

-Along the the way a Spinosaurs acts like Freddy Kruger and a clueless grad student pisses off a pack of hyper-intelligent Raptors by stealing their eggs

Granted, I kind-of cast TLW in a positive light, and JP3 not so much...still, not much of a comparison really! :cool:

Okay I'm going to expand upon this because you missed a lot of points in the 3rd movie it was more like this

JP3:

- Stupid humans break the law and as a result stuff goes down and they disappear into the island.

- Like Grant feared it is now more difficult to obtain grants towards Paleontology as everyone is just interested in the now well known Dinosaur Island.

- New information is learned about Velociraptors

- A man and his wife come and requests a "tour" of the island posing as a rich business owner and offering large amounts of cash. Grant only accepts seeing this as a way to save his field.

- They travel to the Island only to learn that they were brought there under false premises, as a result the reckless behavior of the rest of the party summons a Spinosaurus which is so tall it manages to destroy the airplane, their only means of escape.

- Due to the Spinosaurus' persistent attacks the remainder of the group continues to try to run away. During this time it is revealed that Kirby does not make that type of income which is why when they pass through a Raptor nesting ground, Billy impulsively takes two eggs with the intent of selling them to save the P-field.

- As a result of Billy's actions they are targeted by the raptors and suffer more casualties. They also get split up in which during this time Grant find Eric. When the two groups are reunited again it is revealed that billy had eggs and Grant insults him.

- To get to a boat they end up going through the Pteradon cage and Billy sacrifices himself for Eric to redeems himself for his actions with the eggs earlier.

- The rest reach the boat and attempt to escape but are once again attacked by the Spinosaur. During this attack Grant manages to make a call to Ellie. At this time the family is fully reconnected and for now bonds are retied.

- The group continues to travel and run into the Raptors one more time and we learn about the handy dandy vocal cord

- The Marines come and save the rest. Billy lives, Everyone is awesome and Pteradons escape

Now you can't say all of that is not plot. It clearly easy, but perhaps it wasn't the best executed in some ways.

[Faceslasher]

That kid was a GIRL! Holy crap i thought she was a guy the whole time. Way to look like your mom you ugly freak of nature Justin Bieber spinoff

[robotpo]

Okay I'm going to expand upon this because you missed a lot of points in the 3rd movie it was more like this

JP3:

- Stupid humans break the law and as a result stuff goes down and they disappear into the island.

- Like Grant feared it is now more difficult to obtain grants towards Paleontology as everyone is just interested in the now well known Dinosaur Island.

- New information is learned about Velociraptors

- A man and his wife come and requests a "tour" of the island posing as a rich business owner and offering large amounts of cash. Grant only accepts seeing this as a way to save his field.

- They travel to the Island only to learn that they were brought there under false premises, as a result the reckless behavior of the rest of the party summons a Spinosaurus which is so tall it manages to destroy the airplane, their only means of escape.

- Due to the Spinosaurus' persistent attacks the remainder of the group continues to try to run away. During this time it is revealed that Kirby does not make that type of income which is why when they pass through a Raptor nesting ground, Billy impulsively takes two eggs with the intent of selling them to save the P-field.

- As a result of Billy's actions they are targeted by the raptors and suffer more casualties. They also get split up in which during this time Grant find Eric. When the two groups are reunited again it is revealed that billy had eggs and Grant insults him.

- To get to a boat they end up going through the Pteradon cage and Billy sacrifices himself for Eric to redeems himself for his actions with the eggs earlier.

- The rest reach the boat and attempt to escape but are once again attacked by the Spinosaur. During this attack Grant manages to make a call to Ellie. At this time the family is fully reconnected and for now bonds are retied.

- The group continues to travel and run into the Raptors one more time and we learn about the handy dandy vocal cord

- The Marines come and save the rest. Billy lives, Everyone is awesome and Pteradons escape

Now you can't say all of that is not plot. It clearly easy, but perhaps it wasn't the best executed in some ways.

All of that is not plot...you can't just list everything that happens on-screen on a film and say it's the "plot".

A "story" is an actual structure with three acts; motivation, character arcs and growth for the protagonists; diametrically opposed goals for the protagonist and antagonist; rising conflict, climax, resolution, ETC. TLW had them, JP3 didn't, (it didn't even have a climax, it just screeched to a halt).

[Asian Inferno]

The only good part of JPIII in my opinion was Grant, and that's about it. We don't want to see something so different from the first two, but more of the same. JPIII took the franchise in a whole different direction that most JP fans don't like (Some do, and that's their thing).

[Bombillazo]

All of that is not plot...you can't just list everything that happens on-screen on a film and say it's the "plot".

A "story" is an actual structure with three acts; motivation, character arcs and growth for the protagonists; diametrically opposed goals for the protagonist and antagonist; rising conflict, climax, resolution, ETC. TLW had them, JP3 didn't, (it didn't even have a climax, it just screeched to a halt).

Exactly, heres no depth to any of the events that occurred in JP3. If you think JP is just a Syfy monster movies with dinosaurs as the centerpiece, then yes, I guess JP3 was a excellent movie.


I dont like to bash JP3, but after the disappointment it was, I just dont want JP4 to go the same direction, specially if the same director is probably going to helm the next film...

[anashastar]

All of that is not plot...you can't just list everything that happens on-screen on a film and say it's the "plot".

A "story" is an actual structure with three acts; motivation, character arcs and growth for the protagonists; diametrically opposed goals for the protagonist and antagonist; rising conflict, climax, resolution, ETC. TLW had them, JP3 didn't, (it didn't even have a climax, it just screeched to a halt).


Okay I'm not bashing on TLW since I love the entire series equally and am not bias on any of the films. But If that's your observation than the same can very easily be said to knock down TLW. It lacked in many ways, which is maybe why some people have the same sentiment for TLW as many seem to have for JP3. Plus I don't see how JP3 lacked any of these traits which you listed.

Growth of the Protagonist - The family reconnected, Billy's sacrifice
Growth of the Antagonist - The dinosaurs were more difficult to deal with Raptors were seen to be much more intellegent.
Climax - The goal was to find the kid, they found him. Second goal was to get off the island, they got off the island.

And again its actually quite canon, well I mean it follows canon very well. I'm not going to going over each and everyone since I feel I pointed out everything in the last post. Now if you'd like to say the story was Generic, then of course, I agree, no if or buts about it. But you can't just deny it's plot when its clearly there, it's just not the most creative or best ever written. Just pointing out :D

[leon101]

Jurassic Park 3:
-An idiot plumber's chubby daughter gets stuck on Site B and they bumble around for 75 minutes trying to find her

-Along the the way a Spinosaurs acts like Freddy Kruger and a clueless grad student pisses off a pack of hyper-intelligent Raptors by stealing their eggs

Granted, I kind-of cast TLW in a positive light, and JP3 not so much...still, not much of a comparison really! :cool:

You didn't even watch JP3 did you. :p

[corruptbiggins]

You can sum up a lot of films like that. For instance, Jurassic Park:

-A bunch of people are invited to check out a dinosaur park/zoo
-Nedry steals embryos which causes the dinosaurs get out and eat some people
-Most of the visiting group escape the next day

[Bombillazo]

Okay I'm not bashing on TLW since I love the entire series equally and am not bias on any of the films. But If that's your observation than the same can very easily be said to knock down TLW. It lacked in many ways, which is maybe why some people have the same sentiment for TLW as many seem to have for JP3. Plus I don't see how JP3 lacked any of these traits which you listed.

Growth of the Protagonist - The family reconnected, Billy's sacrifice
Growth of the Antagonist - The dinosaurs were more difficult to deal with Raptors were seen to be much more intellegent.
Climax - The goal was to find the kid, they found him. Second goal was to get off the island, they got off the island.

And again its actually quite canon, well I mean it follows canon very well. I'm not going to going over each and everyone since I feel I pointed out everything in the last post. Now if you'd like to say the story was Generic, then of course, I agree, no if or buts about it. But you can't just deny it's plot when its clearly there, it's just not the most creative or best ever written. Just pointing out :D

I think TLW suffered from the opposite JP3 did, I think they tried to cram too much plot points into it, and sometimes they didnt even make sense and had a couple of loopholes.

I still consider JP3 canon, I mean it obviously is, yet the story that JP3 follows I would never consider a plot by JP's standards. I sometimes think what did Michael Crichton though about JP3, seeing one of his masterpieces being reduced to what JP3 was (and even more if you consider the movies a reduction in themselves to what JP really is [I do]).

Most of us that don't like JP3 is mostly due to the wasted opportunities and potential this movie had, and how it actually came out to be. Believe me, when I saw the first trailer for this movie I thought it was going to be an epic addition to the saga, yet it was actually bitter sweet.

I just hope JP4 actually give significance to the events in JP3, and like some have suggested, a JP3 midquel game would be great to complement the events of JP3.

[robotpo]

Growth of the Protagonist - The family reconnected, Billy's sacrifice
Growth of the Antagonist - The dinosaurs were more difficult to deal with Raptors were seen to be much more intellegent.
Climax - The goal was to find the kid, they found him. Second goal was to get off the island, they got off the island.

The first I'll give you, as clumsily and cartoonishly as it was handled. However, GRANT was the primary protagonist...what was his character arc again?

By "antagonist" you mean a character whose goals are opposed to the goals of the protagonist; dinosaurs don't count. Even in a "monster movie" there has to be a "human" who is actively working against our heroes, (ALA Nedry and Ludlow). See also: Quint in "Jaws", (who was more of a "foil" than a legitimate villain); Ash in "Alien"; Burke in "Aliens"; Belloq in "Raiders"; Keyes in "ET", and so on.

A climax arrives at the END of a story, at the height of rising conflict in the third act, and leads to the resolution. A character's "goals" being achieved are not a "climax". JP3 didn't have one, (just the half-assed "giving back the eggs" thing which started and concluded out-of-the-blue, then the marines randomly landing to blaring triumphant music).

And JP3 still didn't have a story.

Again, a STORY is an actual structure that adheres to guidelines and is quite mechanical in a way. JP3 met maybe ONE of the the requirements, (growth of Kirby's and Billy, the later of whom was undermined when he inexplicably survived).

You can sum up a lot of films like that. For instance, Jurassic Park:

-A bunch of people are invited to check out a dinosaur park/zoo
-Nedry steals embryos which causes the dinosaurs get out and eat some people
-Most of the visiting group escape the next day

Except with JP, you're leaving out many story-beats there. With JP3, I wasn't.

To reiterate, a film's "story" and a "list of things which happen on-screen in a movie" are NOT the same thing! You really can't make an argument that JP3 is anything more than "people bumbling around on an island".

JP and TLW had a lot more going on, (see my breakdown of TLW's story, JP3 didn't). To ignore the actual narrative, thematic material, structuring and pacing of the films to say, "well, they were all people on an island" doesn't hold water!

BTW, in a side-note, I should point out that there are some great character studies and dramas which really don't have much a story at all, so a strong narrative isn't ALWAYS necessary. JP3, however, wasn't a character study. :cool:

[anashastar]

I think TLW suffered from the opposite JP3 did, I think they tried to cram too much plot points into it, and sometimes they didnt even make sense and had a couple of loopholes.

I still consider JP3 canon, I mean it obviously is, yet the story that JP3 follows I would never consider a plot by JP's standards. I sometimes think what did Michael Crichton though about JP3, seeing one of his masterpieces being reduced to what JP3 was (and even more if you consider the movies a reduction in themselves to what JP really is [I do]).

Most of us that don't like JP3 is mostly due to the wasted opportunities and potential this movie had, and how it actually came out to be. Believe me, when I saw the first trailer for this movie I thought it was going to be an epic addition to the saga, yet it was actually bitter sweet.

I just hope JP4 actually give significance to the events in JP3, and like some have suggested, a JP3 midquel game would be great to complement the events of JP3.

Okay I could see that, I'm actually worried more for JP4 honestly. I mean I know it will no longer be HUMAN/DINO/DOG Warriors! But the alleged concept of mass extinction going on, I wonder if it will be based off the Lost World or some wild unnecessary concept D:

[South-East]

What I found bothersome in JP3 is that I used to come up with similar, if not better, stories for another JP movie after the first movie came out. And I was 8! I mean how smart are you going to make the raptors; in the next movie I wouldn't be surprised if they start making guns and missiles.

[Bombillazo]

One thing I did like about JP3 was the music, the new composer really did a great job filling in for John Williams.

[Cyberscribe]

I think they went a little too far with the whole "Raptors are intelligent" thing, to a point where it seemed UNbelievable. They kind of threw the whole idea out the window when Grant was able to trick the whole pack....RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!

He never did trick them. I mean one of the males almost fell for it but the female stopped him and was about to kill them until she heard the helicopters come closer and then they bailed. It had nothing to do with Grant.

[FPug]

Still, it was like the raptors were UNBELIEVABLY intelligent. It just didn't seem right.

[Shadowknight1]

What's funny is how a lot of paleontologists say that a raptor wouldn't be more intelligent than a house cat. I think that those paleontologists haven't ever owned a cat. Yes, some cats aren't all that smart, but some cats show extreme intelligence. Even problem-solving intelligence. :p

[robotpo]

He never did trick them. I mean one of the males almost fell for it but the female stopped him and was about to kill them until she heard the helicopters come closer and then they bailed. It had nothing to do with Grant.

Um, no...

-Grant "called for help"

-The sounds of the helicopters emerged...one of the male raptors leapt forward to attack, but the alpha female ordered him back

-The raptors took the eggs and fled, assuming, (correctly), that the sounds of the helicopters was reinforcements arriving for the humans

[evolution_rex]

Oh, please, that's just ridiculous!

Let's see...

The Lost World:
-Family stumbles on island where InGen originally bred dinosaurs, injury of child leads to lawsuit

-John Hammond's conniving nephew uses this as opportunity to take over company and harvest dinos from Site B in order to bail InGen out of Chapter 11 with new JP in San Diego

-Hammond assembles team to create the "most spectacular photo record the world has ever known" to generate public support for protection of the dinosaurs

-Both teams head to island, clash, Green Peace fanatic gets both parties stranded

-Hunters and Researchers have to join forces and make their way to center of island to call for help (the section of the film without a narrative)

-Survivors rescued, conniving head of InGen uses opportunity to try and open attraction based around adult T-Rex, Rex gets loose and rampages through San Diego, is finally contained and returned to island

-Dinosaur-populated island is declared off-limits, fulfilling Hammond's wish

We also got themes of family, countering Malcolm/Sarah/Kelly against the three T-Rexes; a look at environmentalism, animal rights and the blatant corporate capitalist greed of the 80's/90's/present day; expansion of the JP mythos (original breeding ground of Site B, Jurassic Park: San Diego, dinosaurs revealed to world, the ultimate example of what would happen if InGen's dinosaurs made it to the "real" world); some cool hardware, (Trailers, High Hide, Eddie's Jeep's, Hunters' vehicles); a great score by John Williams, ETC...

Jurassic Park 3:
-An idiot plumber's chubby daughter gets stuck on Site B and they bumble around for 75 minutes trying to find her

-Along the the way a Spinosaurs acts like Freddy Kruger and a clueless grad student pisses off a pack of hyper-intelligent Raptors by stealing their eggs

Granted, I kind-of cast TLW in a positive light, and JP3 not so much...still, not much of a comparison really! :cool:
All you did was show a detailed time line of TLW and a summary of JP3 :/

[robotpo]

All you did was show a detailed time line of TLW and a summary of JP3 :/

YOU'RE a summary of JP3. :cool:

But seriously, I've explained my point quite clearly in previous posts...

[Lexxbomb]

JP3 I felt was actually quite good...
The research was spot on
Raptors were that smart...
Spino ate like a crocodile... in that he saw food and ate it (due to the size of the brain vs the spinal cord

and my fav scene with Dr Grant and the Rambo Kid was funny as all heck and left a lot to the imagination...
"T-Rex Pee... How did you get it?"
"You don't want to know"...

my only criticism of the movie, could have been longer
have the T-rex V Spino battle at end and leave it open ended
and finally have Dr Grant deciding that he needs to start studying live Dinos... that way he could tie in with Ian's girlfriend... thus leaving the door open for a research based movie with the full cast...

in any case none of the movies was really long enough...
JP4 needs to not to be called JP4 it needs a to be called Jurassic Park: <Add Subtitle>
and it needs to be Epic length 3 hrs to maybe 3.5 hrs... we have come to a time in which we are used to the big movies being over 3 hrs and you really need that sort of time to really delve into character development... Heck make JP4 a Trilogy of Movies like the Lord of the Rings and to a minor extent The Matrix... that way each movie is 1 Large Act with sub chapters.

[jurassiraptor]

Just throwing my hat in the ring, I liked JP3 a lot. I think it is a lot better than The Lost World. It's a different kind of movie: they knew they couldn't recapture the magic and awe of the first movie once that genie was out of the bottle, so they didn't try to force it (as it sometimes felt they did with TLW). Instead, they made a smart, fast-paced, action/adventure film. By the third movie in a series, everyone is familiar with the backstory so we didn't need 40 minutes of exposition or a science lesson at the beginning like the first two films required; instead, we are introduced to the characters and jump right into the action.

The raptor intellegence thing never bothered me; in the original novel Crichton describes them as being "at least as intelligent as chimpanzees" and a lot of promotional material and licensed products from the first movie used that description too, so JP3's super-smart raptors are actually very fitting and were nice to see. And lots of animals communicate or "talk" to one another, and we see raptors doing this in JP1, so I never understood why it was suddenly so much of an issue for people in JP3.

[Lexxbomb]

or hows this for a thought...
TV show - a prequel to the original movie...showing the creation of JP and the dinosaurs and have an earlier incident that was never mentioned or hushed up... that could work...have it done by Starz or SyFy

[kevinnapoleon1]

You know what they should have done for JP3?

In the beginning with Ludlow's death, InGen devolves back to John Hammond who is know even sicker than he was in TLW(which was great by the way). Hammond is then called to testify in front in the US Senate's "Scientific Affairs Oversight Committee" and he reveals that the dismantling of Jurassic Park resources, organic and inorganic(dinos and buildings) never happened and Ludlow was just trying to cover up his mismanagement of InGen's investors' funds and take over the company from Hammond at the same time. The US Senate then orders Hammond to tell them the current state of the Island, to which he replies "I haven't a clue." they along with the House of Reps and President order him to make arrangements to find and convince Grant Malcolm, Ellie, Lex, and Tim to go to the island with a brigade or smaller sized force of the US Army and "secure" (very ambiguous command) the island. For what purpose? The Government would like to seize the Island from Hammond to rebuild the park and profit from it, whereas Hammond will have not of that. Upon arriving to Nublar, the park and all of its buildings are overgrown and dilapidated like the Aperture Labs from the beginning of Portal 2 but all of the computing systems and communications are online and miraculously still working. The tour program is online and multiple cars are on the testing track. The Jeeps in the garage and guns in the security center are still in pristine condition. The dinosaurs are easy to find with all of the working cameras but for some reason they disappear and reappear in their pens. Eventually the Army creates a perimeter around the visitors center and they begin to rebuild the park being warned by the original cast that nothing good could come of this park. We are witness to the construction process and ,as so well described by Hammond in the first novel, problems arise. Just as the US Government is about to finish the Geothermal power grid that is used to run the island fails not having been re-calibrated for the new heavy power needs of the park or updated since 1991. This critical oversight put the entire group in danger and now Lex, Tim ,Grant, Ellie and Malcolm have to lead the small band of army engineers to the power grid while the Army fight off the dinosaurs all 15 species ,which we will see. that have escaped. As our heroes traverse the island we get to see everything that was supposed to be in Jurassic Park as per the maps that fans and official sources have released. Eventually we make it with one group to Hammond's bungalow, the other to the main power station, and the final group to the backup hydro-electic plant which has also failed.

I will write more soon! Please tell me what you think so far though!

[kevinnapoleon1]

or hows this for a thought...
TV show - a prequel to the original movie...showing the creation of JP and the dinosaurs and have an earlier incident that was never mentioned or hushed up... that could work...have it done by Starz or SyFy
That sounds great I definitely like that

[FPug]

or SyFy

PLEASE GOD NO!!!! I HATE Syfy. If they had Syfy channel do it. There would:


1.) Be AWFUL, even laughable, dialogue.

2.) The actresses would all be Dumb as Hell and run around in Bikinis until they were splattered around everywhere in an over the top, unnecessarily gory death.

3.) The CGI would make Claymation look good. And forget animatronics, they'd probably use a sock puppet.

4.) There would probably be just plain awful character development.

All of these and more would make the movie/TV show watchable only for Criticism value only. OH and people will definitely laugh AT it...not in a good way.

[Lord Sevein]

I honestly can't remember too much from the third movie ... it was just that bad. I do remember being super super pissed about the whole T-Rex vs. Spino battle though. I mean you have two whole movies, untold amounts of merchandise, and two well written novels portraying the Rex as the pinnacle of dinosaur badassery only to have him bested (and killed no less) by some stupid looking crocodile wannabe. Are you kidding me?

:mad: