Bone Shaker?

[Bombillazo]

What kind of ride is THIS!!?

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4172/12541175.jpg

Werid name for a ride lol

PS: EPIC! Tell-Tale uses MAYA!! :D

[Tyrannosaur87]

Didn't notice that before. Interesting concept though.

[Bombillazo]

I cant imagin what kind of ride is this one in JP, maybe a kids area??

[robotpo]

Yeah, it's a bit odd. When Hammond mentioned "rides", he meant, ya know, like tours of different areas of the park, like the one we see in film...not "roller coasters" or whatever...? :confused:

[evolution_rex]

John Arnold did say "We have all the problems of a zoo and an amusement park.." so that opens the idea. I love the idea of roller coasters.

EDIT: is that really going in the game?

[Bombillazo]

Yeah, it's a bit odd. When Hammond mentioned "rides", he meant, ya know, like tours of different areas of the park, like the one we see in film...not "roller coasters" or whatever...? :confused:

He wouldn't risk:
1- Agitating one of his precious dinos with the noise a rollercoaster makes
2- Any mechanical failure in the vicinity of the dinosaurs (any rides near the dinos altogether I guess)

maybe this is on another part of the island far away from the "Zoo" part

[robotpo]

John Arnold did say "We have all the problems of a zoo and an amusement park.." so that opens the idea. I love the idea of roller coasters.

EDIT: is that really going in the game?

He meant the mechanical problems of the automated tour vehicles...hence, why the line is in reference to the malfunctioning head lights on the Jeeps.

JP wasn't THAT type of a theme park...who's going to spend time on the magic tea cups when there are DINOSAURS right there? Also, how many roller coasters are there at your average game preserve? :confused:

BTW, just a total semantic, but he's Ray Arnold in the movie-verse. :p

[evolution_rex]

But is this really going to be in the game? Where did the picture come from?

[robotpo]

But is this really going to be in the game? Where did the picture come from?

It's from the new video on IGN. Who knows how it fits in...maybe Hammond wasn't over his fixation with carousels after all. JP is for everyone, even fleas! :p

[waroftheworlds01]

i just noticed the Picture is reversed.

[Bombillazo]

i just noticed the Picture is reversed.

Yeah, I had to flip the image to read it, dont know if they captured the video mirrored or if they mirrored it on purpose

Also, how many roller coasters are there at your average game preserve? :confused:

JP isnt your average game preserve XD and Animal Kingdom has rollercoaster rides

[trocks]

Sea World in Orlando has roller coasters now, too.

[Bombillazo]

Sea World in Orlando has roller coasters now, too.

ooh, true. And Busch Gardens has a big Zoo area and has TONS of coasters

[robotpo]

In what way are Disney and Sea World "game preserves"? :confused:

Jurassic Park is closer to this:

http://www.game-reserve.com/

Not this:

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/

Anyway, it's still a crap idea!

[SpielbergFan]

Yeah, it's a bit odd. When Hammond mentioned "rides", he meant, ya know, like tours of different areas of the park, like the one we see in film...not "roller coasters" or whatever...? :confused:

I really hope we'll see something like the river ride from the Universal Studios in the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi6WZTK1nRk

[Bombillazo]

Animal Kingdom is pretty close to a Game Reserve, if I'm not mistaken its the largest of all Disney Parks due to the wide animal "paddocks" they have.

Maybe those machines were on the southwest part of the island :S

[trocks]

Animal Kingdom is pretty close to a Game Reserve, if I'm not mistaken its the largest of all Disney Parks due to the wide animal "paddocks" they have.

So do we consider Jurassic Park a game reserve or a zoo? When I think of a reserve, I picture open areas and free roaming animals, like Site B turned out to be. Also, a lot of major parks like Sea World and even Kennedy Space Center are adding roller coaster style rides now to keep visitors interested.

I agree that when Hammond talked about rides, he probably meant things like the river tour and jungle tour in the Explorers.

[robotpo]

It has animals in enclosures, so it's technically a "zoo", but it isn't a theme park in the traditional sense. It's on a remote island, full of primal jungle...IE, much closer to a "reserve" than a park in the middle of Florida...

BTW, JP: San Diego was in the middle of...San Diego...and didn't look like it had room for rides, (although I guess they could have constructed them outside the amphitheater)...

[Bombillazo]

I agree. But from the looks of it, the game will have some coaster rides XD or area

[evolution_rex]

Am I the only person that likes this idea? :O

[thesporkman]

The Mr. DNA tour was sort of a ride. Genarro even assumed that the scientists were supposed to animatronic like the pirates in the Disney Pirates of the Caribbean ride, etc.

I don't know. I like the idea. And it doesn't seem out of place to me. It seems like something Hammond would want to incorporate into the park experience somewhere on the island, and Genarro seems to have been expecting to see those sorts of rides too.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Remember, Hammond calls it an amusement park, not a wildlife preserve, when talking about it in the visitor center. He even says "I'm not just talking about rides..." The "just" implies that there are rides, they're just not the big draw of the park.

[Bombillazo]

JP is FULL of references to it being an amusement park:

- Having all the problems of a major zoo and theme park
- Hammond regretting not building in Orlando (Hmm what else is in Orlando...)
- What thesporkman and BlankCanvasDJ said

Im up for some theme park rides, apart from the traditional tour rides that had the dinosaurs as the centerpiece.

I mean, once you go on the tours, see the dinos, take pics, what else can you do with Dinosaurs? and fdidnt they developed like a resort and golf course on the island? or did I made that last part up?

[DustyBoy87]

No, I remember - there were a few resorts and definetly a golf course.

[waroftheworlds01]

nothing cooler then being stuck on a moving roller coaster with raptors chasing after you. It'll be like that scene in Zombie land. Except replace Tallahassee with Dr. Harding and the zombies with raptors.

[Asian Inferno]

The Mr. DNA tour was sort of a ride. Genarro even assumed that the scientists were supposed to animatronic like the pirates in the Disney Pirates of the Caribbean ride, etc.

I don't know. I like the idea. And it doesn't seem out of place to me. It seems like something Hammond would want to incorporate into the park experience somewhere on the island, and Genarro seems to have been expecting to see those sorts of rides too.
HAHAHA! I laughed so hard when I read this. Haven's seen it for awhile but it was something along the lines of: "Are they...auto...autoerotica?"

As for the rides, I don't know...I always thought of Jurassic Park as something showcasing the dinosaurs themselves as the attractions, not kiddie rollercoasters and the tunnel of love...actually talking about an amusement park just reminds me of that L4D2 level: "Dark Carnival".

Is that what we're going for?

[SpielbergFan]

Speaking of possible attractions: I remember there was a ballon tour in "Operation Genesis". The people could fly over the park and take pictures. Of course they couldn't fly during a storm. If they were already in the air when the storm began, it could break down and you had to rescue the people. If you didn't, they died of hypothermia...

Another idea: In the San Diego Zoo you can drive over the park in so called "Skyfari" gondolas.
http://image32.webshots.com/33/3/64/8/251536408EonHWJ_fs.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_d6YbXqLvSl8/SIugNvA40NI/AAAAAAAAAMw/XjC_L5aeekU/California+084.JPG

[anashastar]

Is it even a ride, it could just be like a name to a section of the museum it looks a little more like that to me :0

[trocks]

Regardless of whether it's actually a zoo or an amusement park, it's definitely a kind of resort. Most people would be there for at least a couple days, so it might make sense to have other entertainment available, whether it's a balloon ride, golf course, or roller coaster.

I think it will be funny if we are all completely wrong and it's actually a milkshake stand or something.

[veki]

But if there would be rides, please make only few of them. As the main attraction of the park should be, after all, dinosaurs. Living ones. ;)

[robotpo]

Remember, Hammond calls it an amusement park, not a wildlife preserve, when talking about it in the visitor center. He even says "I'm not just talking about rides..." The "just" implies that there are rides, they're just not the big draw of the park.

Yes, the rides were TOURS of different parts of the Park, like the Jeep Tour and Mr. DNA Tour... BTW, the line infers that "everybody has rides", but their biological attractions are better...

BTW, I've never heard of JP having theme park rides before this picture popped up...


As for the rides, I don't know...I always thought of Jurassic Park as something showcasing the dinosaurs themselves as the attractions, not kiddie rollercoasters and the tunnel of love.

Thank you! :cool:

[Bombillazo]

Yes, the rides were TOURS of different parts of the Park, like the Jeep Tour and Mr. DNA Tour... BTW, the line infers that "everybody has rides", but their biological attractions are better...

BTW, I've never heard of JP having theme park rides before this picture popped up...


everybody has rides, even JP XD

Like the've been saying, JP was more than a zoo, more than an amusement park, its a mega resort for the super rich(in the novel) or everyone (in the movies)

[robotpo]

This is still the first time ANYONE has ever interrupted that line to mean "amusement park rides"...it was pretty clear what they were talking about in the context of the film...hence, why when it was hinted we'd be seeing rides not seen in the film, we all started guessing about the Jungle River Ride and the Pteratops Lodge...I stand by what I said!

[Irishmile]

Hammond was a showman he even talked about his past in the film... it is not much of a stretch that Jurassic Park would have much more than just a "Zoo" he would want it to have EVERYTHING... heck I wouldn't be surprised if there was a casino somewhere on the island.

The real Hammond turns and speaks over the narration.

HAMMOND
None of these attractions have been finished yet. The
park will open with the basic tour you're about to take,
and then other rides will come on line after six or
twelve months. Absolutely spectacular designs. Spared
no expense.

More slides CLICK past, a series of graphs dealing with profits,
attendance and other fiscal projections. Donald Gennaro, who has
become increasingly friendly with Hammond, even giddy, grins from ear
to ear.


See its hinted that the tour they take is just the basic tour... and that they are working on other rides.

[robotpo]

Hammond was a showman he even talked about his past in the film... it is not much of a stretch that Jurassic Park would have much more than just a "Zoo" he would want it to have EVERYTHING... heck I wouldn't be surprised if there was a casino somewhere on the island.



See its hinted that the tour they take is just the basic tour... and that they are working on other rides.


That were more "high-concept" tours of species not on the main tour. "Disney Land" stuff is really stretching the information we have from the film just to justify something Telltale seems to be putting in the game...Hammond called the Mr. DNA Tour and Main Tour "rides"...the other rides were in the same vein, (such as the "river ride" we see on a slide in the lunch scene)...

A casino? Yeah, and a JurasStrip Club, "JurasSpa", and fishing pond stocked with coelacanth ALA Rifftrax while we're at it! :cool:

Also, how exactly will they work the magic tea cups into the gameplay...?

[Irishmile]

He was supposed to be an eccentric kind of like Disney and his original plans for Disney World... A one stop destination is not that hard to imagine... especially when someone is "sparing no expense"...

Heck the Mall of America has animal attractions (including some 5 foot sharks), fine dining, shows, stores, and roller coasters... and that is all in doors... imagine if you had an island...

[Mermaid]

Am I the only person that likes this idea? :O

Nope! Here is another one!

[veki]

They should definitely add River adventure, as it was mentioned in the book. Or Pteratops lodge. Probably those are unfinished rides about which Hammond speaks in the movie.

[trocks]

I would like to see a River Adventure or Pteratops Lodge, also. During the dinner scene of Jurassic Park, one the of background advertisement recordings is of Hammond talking about the Jungle River Cruise. I don't know if that's enough for Telltale to use it in the game.

I would also like to see the hotel that must be on the island somewhere.

[Woodsyblue]

He wouldn't risk:
1- Agitating one of his precious dinos with the noise a rollercoaster makes

That sounds more like the Hammond from the book.

I always thought the Hammond from the first film was eccentric enough to include carnival-like rides on his island of dinosaurs and I even felt it was hinted at in the text. Count me down as one person not shocked that Jurassic Park has a roller coaster.

[Dr.Dino]

I would like to see a River Adventure or Pteratops Lodge, also. During the dinner scene of Jurassic Park, one the of background advertisement recordings is of Hammond talking about the Jungle River Cruise.

You're referring to these:

- The river adventure ride entrance (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/silentbobstash/Jurassic%20Park/DSCN1704.jpg?t=1204869265);
- The river adventure ride (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3968/jurassic2.jpg);
- The Pteratops lodge (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7568/aviary32rl.jpg).

[trocks]

You're referring to these:

- The river adventure ride entrance (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/silentbobstash/Jurassic%20Park/DSCN1704.jpg?t=1204869265);
- The river adventure ride (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3968/jurassic2.jpg);
- The Pteratops lodge (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7568/aviary32rl.jpg).

You're right, those are shown in the background. What I was actually thinking of is a recording in the background as the lunch is being served. You can hear Hammond's voice saying, "...our more adventurous guests can opt for our Jungle River Cruise for a close up look at our majestic..." then the line is cut off.

[FPug]

I just found an article in Dutch(Thank God for Translator) and I think it may confirm what "Bone Shaker" is. The article mentions a roller coaster, along with the marine facility. I believe we have our confirmation. This was posted just a few days ago. Here's the link Scroll to the bottom.

http://games.fok.nl/special/455396/1/1/100/telltales-line-up.html

[SmorepionKid]

Maybe we will see a Balloon tour or something, or maybe Bumper Trikes?
I like this idea of rides in the game.

[SWGNATE]

correct me if im wrong its been awhile since ive read the book, but isnt the pteratops lodge inside the aviary? that would be worth seeing in the game and i certianly think that the river ride will be in there, the universal rides were based on it, a baryonx attack on the river ride would be an awesome scene in game, or mabey the mosasaur chases it? both of the rides listed would be cool

[veki]

You're referring to these:

- The river adventure ride entrance (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/silentbobstash/Jurassic%20Park/DSCN1704.jpg?t=1204869265);
- The river adventure ride (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3968/jurassic2.jpg);
- The Pteratops lodge (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7568/aviary32rl.jpg).

Can you please post scans of other card similar to pteratops lodge, if u have them? Tnx

[trocks]

correct me if im wrong its been awhile since ive read the book, but isnt the pteratops lodge inside the aviary? that would be worth seeing in the game and i certianly think that the river ride will be in there, the universal rides were based on it, a baryonx attack on the river ride would be an awesome scene in game, or mabey the mosasaur chases it? both of the rides listed would be cool

Yes, in the book, the Pteratops Lodge was in the aviary. The river ran through the aviary (like in JP3) and the lodge was described as being boarded up like an unfinished, abandoned project. I believe they even comment that the lodge wasn’t on the tour map.

[SWGNATE]

Yes, in the book, the Pteratops Lodge was in the aviary. The river ran through the aviary (like in JP3) and the lodge was described as being boarded up like an unfinished, abandoned project. I believe they even comment that the lodge wasn’t on the tour map.

O_O not on the tour map you say? oh wow

[MasCot]

correct me if im wrong its been awhile since ive read the book, but isnt the pteratops lodge inside the aviary? that would be worth seeing in the game and i certianly think that the river ride will be in there, the universal rides were based on it, a baryonx attack on the river ride would be an awesome scene in game, or mabey the mosasaur chases it? both of the rides listed would be coolThat would be awesome!

Maybe they could begin with the River Ride (Baryonyx), then the river would go to a big lake with the Aquarium in it (Mosasaur), then the Boneshaker, or the other way around.

[FPug]

Well...I found Bone Shaker.

http://www.nowgamer.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/289756.png

[mannyguy1]

wasn't that image on another tread? Did I miss something?

[FPug]

wasn't that image on another tread? Did I miss something?

I don't believe this has been posted yet....

[Tyrannosaur87]

I don't believe this has been posted yet....


It was posted but the thread was closed almost immediately

[FPug]

It was posted but the thread was closed almost immediately

Oh.....does that mean I should delete it?

[Tyrannosaur87]

Oh.....does that mean I should delete it?

Its up to you. There were several images posted in addition to this screenshot

[FPug]

Its up to you. There were several images posted in addition to this screenshot

There are indeed. But none as good as this in my opinion.

[tope1983]

remember when the team entered the visitors center in jurassic park:

HAMMOND
(continuing)
"- - the most advanced amusement park in the world,
combining all the latest technologies. I'm not talking
rides, you know. Everybody has rides. We made a living
biological attractions so astonishing they'll capture
the imagination of the entire planet!"

So how does the bone-shaker fit into Jurassic Park anyway?

[waroftheworlds01]

Nope, He says, "I"m not just talking about rides."

Which means they have rides, but that's not all they made.

[Shadowknight1]

"None of these attractions are ready yet, of course, but the park will open with the basic tour you're about to take, and the other rides will come online six to twelve months after that. Really spectacular designs, spared no expense!"

Rides. I think Bone Shaker qualifies in this instance.

[Cyberscribe]

correct me if im wrong its been awhile since ive read the book, but isnt the pteratops lodge inside the aviary? that would be worth seeing in the game and i certianly think that the river ride will be in there, the universal rides were based on it, a baryonx attack on the river ride would be an awesome scene in game, or mabey the mosasaur chases it? both of the rides listed would be cool
They've gotta put in the jungle river cruise, no question. I've also thought about a Baryonyx attack there! That would be so cool. I've always thought of the aviary as having a sort of ski lift that would carry them around the structure of the aviary.... Anyway I don't think it's that much of a stretch to have roller coasters there. They have jurassic park merchandise, tennis courts, and ice cream. Why not coasters?

[tope1983]

what i don't like about the bone-shaker is the minimalistic design.
I mean the numbers in the red circles and the font of them do not fit to the corporate identity of jurassic park.
the letters BONE SHAKER have the same style as the letters JURASSIC PARK on the main gate which I like. but the vehicles of the bone-shaker, which use the same color scheme as the ford explorers, should have the jurassic park logo on them and the numbers should either use the jurassic park font or be related to the numbers on the tour vehicles.
just for continuity and design.

[TP3D]

I agree, it doesn't go with the JP identity at all, save the green and red stripe coloring ripped off the explorers.

I really hope that screen is a joke or for promo purposes. If there is an actual scene in the game where all the characters are together on a silly looking coaster with a dinosaur in the back, I would be disappointed. Something like that would be incredibly hard to take seriously.

[Sadonicus]

Yeah, I think its a bit too overrated and silly, kinda doesnt feel like Jurassic Park.

Also agree with the design suggestion from tope1983

[Isla-Nublar-Crew]

Iam personally very dissapointed by this whole "Bone Shaker" thing. It´s excessively eccentric and really doesn´t fit overall architectonic concept of Jurassic Park. I´d expect something more unobtrusive and decent. If speaking for myself - the "Bone Shaker" is the biggest flaw of Jurassic Park: The Game" so far... I by the way made some research and this atraction will be probably located in the NW part of Isla Nublar. Why? 1. It´s mountainous area 2. The Herrerasaurus paddock is nearby 3. It´s near visitor center. This is based on official map of Isla Nublar.

[veki]

Hope they remove bone shaker - killing the entire magic of JP. Maybe it's from that fifth, cancelled episode ;)

[SeanJP]

to me the bone shaker is way to scooby doo for me. it honestly doesnt fit with the style of jp or the franchise

[TP3D]

to me the bone shaker is way to scooby doo for me. it honestly doesnt fit with the style of jp or the franchise

truer words were never spoken, totally scooby doo.

[Sadonicus]

Its not that bad thats its there, its possible that they build a small rollercoaster for kids in some kind of Kid-area, but only as a scenery on the side that is passed by quickly in the game. But riding on it? Dinosaurs joining the ride, not falling off, especially such big dinosaurs?
Thats just stupid, just as the girl falling on the nose of the T-Rex I read somewhere! These thing are just plain overrated and cartoonish and kill the atmosphere. Would you see something like this in the movies? It only reminds you that its just a videogame...

[Tetsu Aero]

So the T-rex flinging Malcom away on its nose was not cartoony? ;P

[TP3D]

Yeah, they did that in a quick rushed way that was still somewhat terrifying. The gameplay section in the game, however, brings to mind this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PPf3aaZmUw&feature#t=0m08s).

[mannyguy1]

I kinda disagree, until I play the finished product I won't make a judgement. I try to look at everything with optimism. I think one of the best things about the game is the dinosaurs interacting with things not present in their world when they were first alive millions of years ago. Just running around in the jungle with dinos chasing you is not sufficient. I mean the raptors in the kitchen is one of the most successful scenes in the franchise, and that had the potential to go terribly wrong. I do see what people mean when they say scooby doo, but these are a couple of stills and nothing more; its too early I feel to dismiss it. And telltale has already proven they can "recapture the magic" of Jurassic park, soo we'll see how it turns!

[TP3D]

Yeah, you have a point there, the kitchen scene definitely sounds dumb on paper. I'm still hoping this screen is a joke though.

[SeanJP]

Yeah, you have a point there, the kitchen scene definitely sounds dumb on paper. I'm still hoping this screen is a joke though.

the kitchen scene from the movie i thought was nice idk whats wrong with it but the bone shaker is just blah there isnt a word for it

[Tetsu Aero]

It depends on what's gonna happen around it.
I mean if you saw an image of malcom sitting on the T-rex nose without having seen the movie you would also have doubts.

[TP3D]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E-PB0LQHYlc/TlVoIeqMIfI/AAAAAAAAAG0/4iNrnaNsY94/malcom.jpg

Nope, no doubting its still pretty scary. And then there is this (http://www.nowgamer.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/289756.png).

[Tetsu Aero]

Okay, bad example <.<
But you know what i mean.

[IWasATeenageDinosaur]

Well, after lurking around this thread, it's time I spent my two cents on this "Bone Shaker" ruining the mood of our favorite pseudo-realistic action flick.

To begin with, I can see why Anti-"Bone Shakers" are against... well, the Bone Shaker. I mean, take a look at TP3D's (unauthorized) picture (you might want to get rid of the link, it's only for VIP's.): the stotic faces and posture of Dr. Harding & Co., the lack of a feeling of motion, the whole "dinosaur attack on a rollar coaster"-thing. It is quite the silly, even childish, action scene (one of which I will admit to looking forward too).

However, If we take a second to look back at the Jurassic Park series, we can see alot of silly/childish scenes:

I present to you several examples:

Jurassic Park (1993)

(1.) Nedry's scene with Dodgson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOPfElE61A).

(2.) Mr. DNA's scene.

(3.) Nedry's little sound effect as he slips at 0:09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d921M-ACMM4).

(4.) The bathroom perfectly (comedy wise) collapsing away (in several directions) from Gennaro as he's sitting on the toilet, despite that the T. rex crashed through the bathroom in one direction.

(5.) Gennaro being eaten by the T. rex sitting on the toilet.

(6.) "Ah-ah-ah! You didn't say the magic word!"

(7.) Dr. Grant and Tim being chased and "squashed" by the tour car.

(8.) Tim getting electrified and falling nearly twenty-four feet to the ground.

(9.) Arnold's severed arm falling onto Ellie's shoulder.

(10.) Any scene with Jeff Goldblum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iBxgAmdPQWg).

Let's not also forget the plethora of silly/childish happenings in the sequels and in cut scenes (such as Lex riding a baby Triceratops or the T. rex chasing Grand & Co. through a river), but if I continue, I may be finished 0writing this post on the day the actual game is released.

Now, these sequences might not reach the level of "bleh" as this Bone Shaker sequence might, but you must admit that these scenes, intentional or otherwise, do present a silly/childish concept that can (and may) disrupt one's disired atmosphere of the movie.

But, why does this Bone Shaker seem "bleh" and these other scenes not so much? Well, I might make a guess and say that the reason is because we are basing our judgment on pictures.

Now, I am not going to join the already humongous crowd of critics that (seemingly) make it a mission to make a thousand thread's complaining about Telltale's graphics (whether they are valid or invalid in their complaining, I will not say, as I have no authority or experience in graphic design).

However, I will concede that the pictures, by themselves at least, does not aide in bringing it's intended feelings to the audience.

You don't feel the adrenaline and fear of a rollar coaster rushing into the unknow, you don't feel the immediate danger of a hungry dinosaur on the attack. You just see a dinosaur on a rollar coaster.

It I were to take a still of the T. rex watching Gennaro on the loo, you'd say (at least I would), "Why that's just stupid!" Because, in reality, it is!

But, if we include the entire sequence in the movie, which presented a feeling of danger and fear, you'd say exactly what everyone said: "OH ****!"

This might also explain the photo of Malcolm "sitting" on the T. rex's nose not being percieved as being "silly", because we've already seen the movie, and subconsciously remember those feelings of danger and fear the sequence gave us, which completely removes the "silly" out of the photo, even though, it kinda is silly (though not as silly as the aforementioned exampled)...

Hopefully, and I confidently assume, Telltale will also present an atmosphere during this sequence that will, if not completely remove, at least lessen the silliness of the whole concept.

And so, in conclusion:

Am I saying that the dinosaur-on-a-rollar-coaster concept not beign silly? No.

Am I say that you should like the sequence? No. I, for example, dislike the Lost World's sequence with the T. rex being in San Diego because I feel that it doesn't fit the "feel" of the Jurassic Park series, nor am I partial to the colorful and also illogical new look of the Raptors in JP3 for the same reasons.

So, what am I saying? That "silly" sequences are FAR from being new to Jurassic Park, and that these "silly" sequences can, done right, present a "Jurassic Park" feel to the audience.

Now, with Telltale specializing in story-telling, and bring forth the right feelings to the audience at the right time, I have no doubt that this Bone Shaker will, indeed, rattle our bones.

TL;DR: It's just a picture, wait until you've watched the rest of the sequence to see if it feels "silly".

Hope you enjoyed my ramblings.

And Telltale, if you happen by this thread, keep doing you're doing, and make the best darn Jurassic park game you can, with it's Tylosaurus and Herrerasaurs-on-rollar-coasters and color-changing Metriacanthosaurs (okay, I made that up).

With the right atmosphere, anything can "feel" like Jurassic Park.

[veki]

http://www.nowgamer.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/289756.png After another look at this screenshot I am totally horrified. Not only that scene is comic (and totally not JP), but why, for God's sake would main characters climb into a bone shaker? To have fun? And if you look carefully only Nima is aware of the dinosaur, despite possibly very loud sounds that it would be making. Telltale, I hope that this is a joke. If not you are risking to destroy entire franchise :(

[corruptbiggins]

It's impossible to tell what the context is from a still screen shot. You just have to have faith in the story telling abilities of Telltale that the scene will make sense in context.

[TP3D]

it would have to be some AMAZING context to make this okay.

[Sadonicus]

I think they simply are cornered by dinosaurs and the only way to escape is taking the ride!

Or maybe the girl was whining and wanted to ride that rollercoaster so bad before they leave the island, and her Dad was like OK :)

[TheMountainKing]

So the T-rex flinging Malcom away on its nose was not cartoony? ;P
Not nearly as cartoony as Nedry's death scene.

[IWasATeenageDinosaur]

Well, I've been lurking around this thread for a while, watching this evolve from a speculative thread on the existence of a roller coaster in Jurassic Park to a psuedo-pessimistic thread (on par with the "Any doubts for the new game?" thread) on how this "Bone Shaker" is going to kill the "magic" of Jurassic Park.

Well, I believe it's time that I spent my two cents on this issue.

To begin with, I am not saying the the whole concept ISN'T silly, look at the picture that we ARN'T supposed to see (it's for VIP's): the stotic faces of Dr. Harding and Co., the lack of a feeling of motion, the whole "dinosaur on a roller coaster" concept. IT IS ABSOLUTELY LOONEY!

But, as said before, Jurassic Park, both the movie and the franchise, has had a plethora of scenes with varying intensities of silly and/or childish moments.

Here are a few examples:

(1.) Nedry's meeting with Dodgson. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOPfElE61A)

(2.) Mr. DNA's scene.

(3.) The walls of the T. rex Paddock's restroom falling in several different directions in a perfectly comedic fashion to reveal Dennaro on the toilet, despite the T. rex crashing into the restroom from one direction AND the roof collapsing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMzfrod7hcE)

(4.) The T. rex staring at Dennaro for a moment before eating him as he's sitting on the toilet.

(5.) Tim and Alan being "chased" by the falling car as they climb down the tree.

(6.) Nedry's slipping sound effect as he trips at 0:09.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d921M-ACMM4)

(7.) Nedry "talking" and attempting to play fetch with the Dilophosaur.

(8.) Tim being electrified and then falling nearly 24 feet onto the ground, only to survive without crippling injury.

(9.) Mr. Arnold's arm falling from seemingly nowhere onto Ellies' shoulder.

(11.) The scene with The Big One attempting to break into the computer room as Grant and Ellie hold her off, and yet, dispite the numerous opportunities, Ellie (after a half-assed attempt), Tim, or Lex attempt to get the shotgun that is mere feet away on the floor.

(11.) Any scene with Jeff Goldblum. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBxgAmdPQWg&feature=related)

Let's also not forget the sequels, such as the TLW's T. rex in San Diego, and JP3's absolutely clownish recoloring of the Velociraptors, but I digress.

As you can see, the JP movies have scenes that, when taken out of context, are childish and silly.

But have these scenes ever "killed" the magic of Jurassic Park?

As mentioned by corruptbiggins, these scenes have a context to them that removed the intensity of silliness from the moment.

But, all that we have at the moment is a screenshot, nothing else.

If I were to show you a photo of the T. rex staring at Gennaro on the loo, or Nedry holding a stick to the Dilophosaur, it'd look stupid, because IT IS, in fact, VERY stupid.

But once I place the photo back into context, it doesn't FEEL stupid, even though it is stupid.

I confidently assume that Telltale, with a reputation for story-telling, will include a context that will keep our PRECIOUS, FRAGILE, TOTALLY SERIOUS, DARK, AND EDGY film from being raped by such a childish and silly concept.

It's like the Dark Knight's Joker design ALL OVER AGAIN!

Now, am I say that you should like it? NO! I HATED the little slip sound effect when Nedry trips onto the mud, I HATED the scenes with the T. rex in San Diego in TLW, and HATED the Raptor redesigns in JP3.

Because I thought that those did not fit MY idea of Jurassic Park.

But, you know what? I am not going to cry "IT'S KILLING THE MAGIC OF JURASSIC PARK! THE [insert genre of your choice] IS NOW RUINED!"

Because they, despite their silliness or "magic killing"-ness, fit the context of the story being presented (well, except the Raptor redesigns, but that is another issue).

Sure, a dinosaur on a roller coaster isn't very realistic, but neither is an 8-year-old being pumped with enough electricity to keep a T. rex at bay, then fall straight onto the dirt from nearly 24 feet, then rise from the dead with merely a pair of slightly burnt hands any realistic either, and it CERTAINLY isn't anymore silly.

You don't have to like the concept, but you have to understand that these kinds of things have occured within the franchise, and have been pulled off with varying degrees of success.

And calling foul now because of a simple picture is doing a great disservice to not only the very nature of the films, but also to the people who have spent months trying to make this game as within the realm of Jurassic Park as humanly possible.

By all means, you can do that when you've played the game.

I think this concept is silly too, and we all care for this franchise (afterall, this is our childhood, our inspirations), and want this game to succeed.

But can we, for once, JUST ONCE, have a thread that doesn't devolve into this pessimistic "Jurassic Park is ruined forever" ritual? It's breaking my heart to see JP fans devolve into such behavior more suited for Sonic the Hedgehog fans or Transformers fans.

Once the game is released and everyone's played it, THEN we can rip this forum apart with our MIGHTY NERDRAGE!

That is, if the game is going in the direction these threads seem to wish that it does.

[Shadowknight1]

Amen!

[Tyrannosaur87]

IWasATeenageDinosaur, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes, the image is silly, but there's a plethera of silly moments throughout the franchise, and the way people are bashing it is unnecessary. Now, I'm not saying they're not entitled to their opinions, but as you said, at least play the game first before ripping it to shreds.

[TP3D]

None of those moments are even comparable to what one would define as looney. Unrealistic is probably the world you are looking for to describe most of these scenes. And whether a zany coaster ride with a dinosaur in the backseat is realistic isn't really anyone's concern.

I agree there is a lot pessimism on this board, from people picking apart the frill coloration of the Dilo frill to the incorrect numbers on the Jeep. I don't care about any of those ridiculously small details at all. Please don't group the "bone shaker" into that category.

Its concept is a travesty.

And forgive me for being snarky about it, but I've never really gotten over the last possible second delay announcement amid utter chaos in these forums. I really do want this game to do well, but my expectations since then have been drastically lowered. I'm excited to play all new sections of Nublar, but this?

Since this is a VIP image and I'm hoping its a joke. Please be a joke.

[Sadonicus]

@IWasATeenageDinosaur Thats true, but I still think that the rollercoaster ride joined by dinosaurs is way more silly than anything that you mentioned. And Tim being electrocuted is unrealistic, not cartooney. Plus these things were small moments, the ride is a whole sequence.

But yeah, its better to wait and play the game, in a context it likely feel different.

[mannyguy1]

There some people that clearly state their doubt and their skepticism on the "bone shaker" there those that just take it to an extreme and start saying things like "this ruined it for me....I won't play the game for this" etc. Those are the ones that need to calm down.

Specially since anyone who spends a second of their time here has to care enough to be here. ANYONE WHO FREQUENTS THIS FORUM IS GOING TO PLAY THE GAME NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY COMPLAIN.

I seriously feel like I'm in a star wars forum or something, with one of those people that take the movies way to seriously and start bashing on the prequels because "they're childhood was raped, "george lucas sold out"....yada yada yada...calm down folks..we have a name for you guys.
BUZZ KILLERS

Its a darn game. I'd like to see people speak with so much passion about things that really matter.

Theres a difference between sharing an opinion and taking it to an extreme like you're whole world has been turned upside down because you think a rollercoaster seems off in a Jurassic Park game...


P.S. when I first saw the "bone shaker" stills I thought of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom mine cart scene. Did anyone else?

[veki]

I would like to see what Micheal Crichton would say for entire Bone Shaker concept, and I think that he would not approve it.

[IWasATeenageDinosaur]

Now, now, veki, let's not create opinions for the dead, that's disrespectful. ;)

Crichton was on board for TLW and JP3, which to some fans, are terrible, god-awful movies that raped the beauty of the original. You, nor anyone else, have not the authority to decide what Crichton would or wouldn't approve.

As for the remark on the relation to Indiana Jones' mine-cart chase:

I saw it!

In fact, in my original rant, I made connections to these silly moments and those of Indiana Jones, but I removed them, feeling that those movies, despite both being action-adventure films and having many of the same people working on them, were too different to compare.

Jurassic Park is a (mostly) realistic sci-fi style adventure franchise that takes creative liberties MOSTLY concerning dinosaur behavior and physiology.

Indiana Jones, however, is more of a fantasy style adventure franchise that takes many liberties with it's creative process, and thus has a lot more of these zany and wacky action scenes and concepts (the mine-cart scene, and the using a life-boat as a parachute, for example).

Although, I'd like to point out that the Indiana Jones franchise (the controversial fourth movie not-with-standing) often handled these "silly" scenes in a context not many of its fans find reason for complaint.

But then again, different movie genre.

Also, I'd like to thank EVERYONE who commented on my ramblings, and apologize to those who feel that I may be grouping this thread as another "Complain Here" thread, I just needed to let some steam out, as you can tell, and apologize for making this thread a target.

TP3D, I agree with most of your statement, I too, have felt frustration and confusion regarding Telltale's handling of my most adored franchise.

Actually, I'd like to thank you for your concern over this matter, despite how extreme I feel it is, you obviously care for the franchise very much, maybe moreso than me, and I applaud that commitment, for it is so easy to screw up something such as this (as we've seen with JP: Redemption, JP: Trespasser, and some moments from the sequels, but opinions may vary).

However, as I've said, we only had ONE photo to base this entire concept on, we have NO IDEA how long this scene will last!

Before the thread closed, I was lucky enough to see the rest of the pile, and it seemed that the entire scene is actually pretty quick (the dinos are near and on the roller coaster itself only when Team Harding is at the very last "hill" of the ride).

If I could, I would attempt to describe the whole thing, but I have no authority or permission to do so, those photos weren't for public eyes, and it would be an insult to ignore that desire for privacy, despite the leak.

But otherwise, you are absolutely, positively correct, none of the examples I listed might be as "loony" as this "dinosaurs-on-a-roller-coaster" concept Telltale is presenting, if only by the tiniest of margins and with one exception.

But then again, what is the definition of loony?

Definition.com defines loony as "extremely or senselessly foolish."

Tim being fried by an electric fence and falling from the height of a two-story building only to remain unharmed may not be as "loony" to you as does this "dinosaur-on-a-roller-coaster" (as I will now term "DOARC", pronounced "dork") as it is to me, but the scene is still "extremely or senselessly foolish."

Truth be told, we can argue here about whether or not DOARC is a "travesty", but in the end, it's all subjective.

We all have a different perception of what is too "loony," and we arn't going to change that perception, even if some person on the Internet made two really long posts about these perceptions.

As Different Strokes puts it: "What might be right for you, may not be right for some."

However, I'd like for you to reframe from calling this a "travesty" just yet, I know how strongly you feel about DOARC, and don't desire for you to change your opinion, but I hope that you understand that it is too premature to label it a "travesty". Just wait until the game's release before calling foul, and if it is that truely, unsubjectively tragic, I won't stop you.

I promise.

[mannyguy1]

I would like to see what Micheal Crichton would say for entire Bone Shaker concept, and I think that he would not approve it.

You know this is supposed to be movie canon right? Not novel canon? Unless you personnally knew Crichton is hard to say whether he would approve or not too...

Plus he sure didn't mind having his name slapped onto TLW or JP3: One which deviated completely from the book and the other which was mostly based on characters he created and nothing more, respectively.

[Shadowknight1]

I would like to see what Micheal Crichton would say for entire Bone Shaker concept, and I think that he would not approve it.

I think he would include it under the "Many reasons Jurassic Park was doomed from the beginning" section. Reasoning? Putting a roller coaster ride in a dinosaur park? That's assuming that everything goes as planned completely. From the automated computer systems to the dinosaurs. Pure human arrogance is what doomed Jurassic Park before Nedry even got started. And what's more arrogant than putting a typical theme park ride in a park with unpredictable ancient "reptiles"?

[Rexz24]

i figure that the original idea for the game came from the scene in Jurassic park when they jump on the bones to escape the raptors and the BONES start SHAKING

[IWasATeenageDinosaur]

Hey! That's pretty clever!

Makes me wonder is Telltale also made a water ride called the "Hand Dripper" or a bouncy castle called the "Jello Jiggler". :D

[tope1983]

let's hope that the whole bone-shaker sequence doesn't start like THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vNsDhFaKUk&feature=player_detailpage#t=140s).

[TP3D]

ROFL, yeah really.

I guess my final thought is, even if if the coaster is silly, this game will otherwise be RIFE WITH AWESOMENESS so I can get over one goofy coaster.

Oh, and IWasATeenageDinosaur, I actually loved Trespasser. The spirit of JP, or Site B rather, was captured perfectly. It was very buggy and all that, but still a great addition to the JP universe.

The new comics on the other hand, are terrible all around. Possibly the worst story ever, laughably drawn dinosaurs, really IDW should be ashamed of themselves.

[SWGNATE]

ROFL, yeah really.

I guess my final thought is, even if if the coaster is silly, this game will otherwise be RIFE WITH AWESOMENESS so I can get over one goofy coaster.

Oh, and IWasATeenageDinosaur, I actually loved Trespasser. The spirit of JP, or Site B rather, was captured perfectly. It was very buggy and all that, but still a great addition to the JP universe.

The new comics on the other hand, are terrible all around. Possibly the worst story ever, laughably drawn dinosaurs, really IDW should be ashamed of themselves.

yea, i never read a comic before in my life until then...i dont plan on reading one again lol

[Cyberscribe]

Well at least it's basically another "tour". It features the herrerasaurs, so you could say that the bone shaker is a tour as well as a ride.

[FPug]

Well at least it's basically another "tour". It features the herrerasaurs, so you could say that the bone shaker is a tour as well as a ride.

More like a tour of Hell, since the Herrerasaurs would be waiting for you at the end. LOL, I think that Bone shaker may have been generally close to the Herrerasaur paddock, but not IN the paddock....at least I hope not. If it was then something is definitely wrong.

[TheMountainKing]

More like a tour of Hell, since the Herrerasaurs would be waiting for you at the end. LOL, I think that Bone shaker may have been generally close to the Herrerasaur paddock, but not IN the paddock....at least I hope not. If it was then something is definitely wrong.
Well at least you'd get a picture of yourself being eaten at Jurassic Park!

[Shadowknight1]

The new comics on the other hand, are terrible all around. Possibly the worst story ever, laughably drawn dinosaurs, really IDW should be ashamed of themselves.

I enjoyed the first batch(haven't read the second series yet), but the dinosaurs weren't just laughable...they were a grade of crap below laughable. Heck, even the Land Before Time movies had better dinosaurs. At least in LBT you could tell what dinosaurs they were supposed to be. The only recognizable predator in the Redemption series was the Carnotaurus, and only because of the horns.

[Cyberscribe]

More like a tour of Hell, since the Herrerasaurs would be waiting for you at the end. LOL, I think that Bone shaker may have been generally close to the Herrerasaur paddock, but not IN the paddock....at least I hope not. If it was then something is definitely wrong.
I wonder if Telltale is following the movie map of the park. If you notice the Herrera's enclosure is nowhere near the tour road and it's more by the visitor center and the raptor paddock than anything. I have no idea why that is, but maybe (Considering my speculation that Telltale is going by the movie map) this attraction is trying to incorporate the Herreras into the scenery around the ride, or at least have a dinosaur attraction by it so the people in line don't get bored or something. But if that's the case maybe the ride could've been called TRIASSIC TERROR or TRIASSIC TUMBLER to emphasize the Herreras a little more.

[Romeosierra616]

I would like to see what Micheal Crichton would say for entire Bone Shaker concept, and I think that he would not approve it.


Actually I could see this very easily being in the Novel if Crichton had a reason for it, they most likely wouldn't ride it, but I could deff. see it being mentioned at the least, especially seeing as how he made Hammond a man who was seemingly more worried about his money and the parks success than his grandchildren in the Novel.

I could see it being in an unfinished state along with a few other simple children rides in the novel, hell, maybe even a "Island view" Ferris Wheel that some ill-fated park employee climbed in a desperate attempt to escape the raptors after they escaped.

Whats worse than being killed by the very thing that the ride is themed after?

[jurassiraptor]

I would like to see what Micheal Crichton would say for entire Bone Shaker concept, and I think that he would not approve it.

In the novel, he did mention that InGen had plans for other rides in the park, even mentioning that the idea made Grant uneasy. Hammond in the movie version also mentions other rides planned in addition to the Explorer tour. The Jungle River Cruise boat ride mentioned in both the novel and the movie was one such ride, and the "tour" of the hatchery (complete with safety bar restraints!) was a ride as well. So it's not outside the world of possibility that there would be something like a roller coaster. It was, after all, not just a zoo but also a resort and a vacation destination: Crichton even mentions swimming pools and tennis courts in the novel.

[Romeosierra616]

You're referring to these:

- The river adventure ride entrance (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/silentbobstash/Jurassic%20Park/DSCN1704.jpg?t=1204869265);
- The river adventure ride (http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3968/jurassic2.jpg);
- The Pteratops lodge (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7568/aviary32rl.jpg).


Hmmm... That "Pteratops Lodge" matches the description of the Visitors Center from the Novel almost perfectly, wonder if that was an early concept for the Visitors Center?