The Original 15 Nublar Embryos

[Cyberscribe]

When Nedry stole all 15 embryos which dinosaurs were they? I'm curious, When did the park brochure that included dinosaurs such as Baryonyx, Segisaurus, and Herrerasaurus appear on screen in the original movie? Because if it wasn't shown at all then wouldn't that bring into question the original 15 embryos? Help me out people what were they? And provide evidence if you can.

[Tyrannosaur87]

When Nedry stole all 15 embryos which dinosaurs were they? I'm curious, When did the park brochure that included dinosaurs such as Baryonyx, Segisaurus, and Herrerasaurus appear on screen in the original movie? Because if it wasn't shown at all then wouldn't that bring into question the original 15 embryos? Help me out people what were they? And provide evidence if you can.

I'm not too sure on the list of the original 15 embryos (aside from the obvious ones of species seen in the movie), however I do know that they did make some spelling errors in a couple of the names.

As for the Brocures, you can see them in the main road scene when Grant is looking for something to distract the Rex from attacking the car Tim and Lex are in

[Cyberscribe]

I'm not too sure on the list of the original 15 embryos (aside from the obvious ones of species seen in the movie), however I do know that they did make some spelling errors in a couple of the names.

Well here's all I have so far.
(Embryos that Nedry took seen on screen)
1. Proceratosaurus
2. Gallimimus
3. TyranNosaurus Rex
4. Velociraptor
5. StegOsaurus
6. Metriacanthosaurus
7. Triceratops
(Dinosaurs seen in Park)
8. Dilophosaurus
9. Brachiosaurus
10. Parasaurolophus
(Dinosaurs seen on Brochure)
11. Baryonyx
12. Herrerasaurus
13. Segisaurus
(Dinosaurs introduced in canonical video games)
14. Troodon

So basically for Tell-Tale to stay true to the movies they must use this list of dinosaurs plus one other dinosaur for the whole list to remain true to the Jurassic Park Lore. :cool:

[Tyrannosaur87]

Well here's all I have so far.
(Embryos that Nedry took seen on screen)
1. Proceratosaurus
2. Gallimimus
3. TyranNosaurus Rex
4. Velociraptor
5. StegOsaurus
6. Metriacanthosaurus
7. Triceratops
(Dinosaurs seen in Park)
8. Dilophosaurus
9. Brachiosaurus
10. Parasaurolophus
(Dinosaurs seen on Brochure)
11. Baryonyx
12. Herrerasaurus
13. Segisaurus
(Dinosaurs introduced in canonical video games)
14. Troodon

So basically for Tell-Tale to stay true to the movies they must use this list of dinosaurs plus one other dinosaur for the whole list to remain true to the Jurassic Park Lore. :cool:

So excluding the Troodon, which is an unknown species on the island (hopefully it's creation is explained, as it is a little hard to believe that someone would miss a creature like that being cloned) that leaves us with two other species to work with, since we're not going off of the novel.

[Cyberscribe]

So excluding the Troodon, which is an unknown species on the island (hopefully it's creation is explained, as it is a little hard to believe that someone would miss a creature like that being cloned) that leaves us with two other species to work with, since we're not going off of the novel.

Fair enough. I do hope that they explain Troodon, maybe it's Biosyn's secret weapon lol :rolleyes: but personally I think that Pteranodon is the next best bet. Considering that they are mentioned in the Original movie.. but only for a split second on the advertisement from Hammond while they are all eating lunch and only by an obscure reference of "majestic winged dinosaurs".

[AndyCullen]

Was there an aviary in the movie cannon? If so, Pteranodon.

[Tyrannosaur87]

Was there an aviary in the movie cannon? If so, Pteranodon.

I don't think there was one in the movie. In the novel, yes. In the film, I don't think so.

[evolution_rex]

Here is the list of dinosaurs found on Isla Nublar on according to JPLegacy: http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=encyc/slnublar.shtml

[Icedhope]

I don't think there was one in the movie. In the novel, yes. In the film, I don't think so.

On Sorna, not on Nublar.

[Icedhope]

Here is the list of dinosaurs found on Isla Nublar on according to JPLegacy: http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=encyc/slnublar.shtml

Well that's probably going to change soon.

[jurassiraptor]

Was there an aviary in the movie cannon? If so, Pteranodon.

The aviary is mentioned (and shown during the slideshow) during the lunch debate scene, though it is not certain if any pteranodons were actually on Nublar yet at that point.

It is also argued by some that baryonyx may actually have been spinosaurus, misidentified.

[Cyberscribe]

I don't think there was one in the movie. In the novel, yes. In the film, I don't think so.

But they were planning on having winged dinosaurs along with the jungle river cruise in the movie. It's up there with Future Attractions while they're having lunch you gotta look for it though you have a picture of the river cruise ride and then a building that looks somewhat like an aviary and the voice in the background talking about winged dinosaurs. Pteranodons might be in that Embryo Freezer that Nedry raided.

[Tyrannosaur87]

But they were planning on having winged dinosaurs along with the jungle river cruise in the movie. It's up there with Future Attractions while they're having lunch you gotta look for it though you have a picture of the river cruise ride and then a building that looks somewhat like an aviary and the voice in the background talking about winged dinosaurs. Pteranodons might be in that Embryo Freezer that Nedry raided.

That is possible, however we'll never know for sure unless we see visual evidence.

[Cyberscribe]

So excluding the Troodon, which is an unknown species on the island (hopefully it's creation is explained, as it is a little hard to believe that someone would miss a creature like that being cloned) that leaves us with two other species to work with, since we're not going off of the novel.

So Troodon just appeared? I thought it was intentionally made to be exhibited in the park. What's the big secret? it's just another dinosaur.

[jurassiraptor]

So Troodon just appeared? I thought it was intentionally made to be exhibited in the park. What's the big secret? it's just another dinosaur.

If we consider JP:The Game to be canon, then troodon should replace either pteranodon or compsognathus as one of the 15 species, since neither of these have visual confirmation as being on Isla Nublar and their inclusion on the list is speculative.

(Or, go with the theory that segisaurus was a mislabled compsognathus, which would combine those two into one and open up the 15th slot for troodon.)

[Tyrannosaur87]

So Troodon just appeared? I thought it was intentionally made to be exhibited in the park. What's the big secret? it's just another dinosaur.

We don't know much about it other than it's the 'new threat' that the player will have to face in the game. The developers have been very stingy with the information regarding it. Hopefully an explanation will come soon, either via the development team, a trailer, or the game itself

[evolution_rex]

Well that's probably going to change soon.
Why would it change? :/

[Tyrannosaur87]

Why would it change? :/

Probably since Troodon is now somewhat going to be considered canon. It only makes sense to change the list by adding Troodon to it

[jmine83]

Here's my two cents into this debate as I have already said "numerous" times even several years back. The whole "fifteen species" condition, is already final, fixed, and Troodon can "not" be one of those fifteen as far as I am concerned. The only "two" species of those fifteen that is even remotely debatable is "Pteranodon" and "Compsognathus". For starters, how could Pteranodon not be one of the fifteen species? Simply because for that matter, in the novel the Pteratops Lodge was a "major" unique attraction that I find hard to believe was not planned to exist in the JP movie universe. Personally, I'm basically playing the "use common sense" card on these two species on the grounds of what is "most" strongly implied and makes sense. I know its not enough to convince other people, but that's my position on the matter and I'm sticking to it. As for Compsognathus, for anyone who has been to the JP Ride in Hollywood, pay close attention to the video presentation that you watch while you're waiting in line. It's been a long time since I've been when the ride was brand new, "but" one of the big, unique little bits of commentary that the video presentation went into that caught my attention, was of the "vital" importance that Compies serve in the park; i.e. as the dung beetles of the dinosaur world. Apparently according to the lore of JP, Compies were discovered to have a natural tendency for eating the droppings of the other dinosaurs and thus helping to manage the cleanliness of the dinosaur paddocks. Sounds critically important to me.

As for this Troodon business, I was first very opposed to the matter. But after some other random discussions on the message boards about this subject, I'm warming up to the idea a bit more. But I think TT is setting themselves up to have to cleverly explain a very difficult matter that would otherwise break movie canon. So in short, the story behind Troodon better be good. One thing is for sure in my opinion, however, is that Troodon can not be one of the "tour" dinosaurs.

[Cyberscribe]

If we consider JP:The Game to be canon, then troodon should replace either pteranodon or compsognathus as one of the 15 species, since neither of these have visual confirmation as being on Isla Nublar and their inclusion on the list is speculative.

(Or, go with the theory that segisaurus was a mislabled compsognathus, which would combine those two into one and open up the 15th slot for troodon.)

That wouldn't make any sense to do that. Segisaurus was at least shown as an exhibit in the movie while Compsognathus wasn't mentioned at all. If you're going to include Compy then you should replace it with Troodon if it does turn out to be InGen's creation. Similar Venom, pack hunting, carnivorous, ambush predators, makes pretty good sense for Troodon to be Nublar's equivalent of the Compy.

[AndyCullen]

I have a hunch that Troodon may not be on InGen's list, much like the Spino. Maybe they were experimenting with them elsewhere, like in the other Lab shown in this picture http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/screenshots/JurassicPark/JurassicParkMedia/JP_Screenshot_labExterior.jpg (check the file name)

[Cyberscribe]

Apparently according to the lore of JP, Compies were discovered to have a natural tendency for eating the droppings of the other dinosaurs and thus helping to manage the cleanliness of the dinosaur paddocks. Sounds critically important to me.

Yes this was present in the novel as well. That presents a problem, but then again, jurassic park is notorious for underplanning aren't they.

[Cyberscribe]

http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=encyc/dinoprof.shtml

Is JPLegacy a reliable site according to most of the jp community? Because if so it does back up the Nublar Pteranodon/Aviary theory to some extent. Any way this is a more or less complete list of the dinosaurs on both islands.

[Tyrannosaur87]

http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=encyc/dinoprof.shtml

Is JPLegacy a reliable site according to most of the jp community? Because if so it does back up the Nublar Pteranodon/Aviary theory to some extent. Any way this is a more or less complete list of the dinosaurs on both islands.

JPLegacy is a very reliable site. It's the main fan created site for anything and everything Jurassic Park. The staff does a fantastic job ensuring that everything is accurate to the best of their knowledge.

[trocks]

We know the game is following the rules established by the movie. We also know that the game will be considered canon, so the list really cannot be changed. I believe that Pteranodon was at least intended to be on Nublar, based on the "coming attractions" slide show, but it may not have been there yet, or perhaps the plan was shut down.

As for Troodon, my best guess is that it stowed away from Site B on a ship running between Sorna and Nublar.

[Cyberscribe]

We know the game is following the rules established by the movie. We also know that the game will be considered canon, so the list really cannot be changed.

What do you mean by that? I mean the list isn't being changed it's being filled in. If we haven't seen living viable proof of 15 dinosaurs than whoever's in charge of expanding the universe would be at liberty to fill in the remaining mystery dinosaurs.

[trocks]

What do you mean by that? I mean the list isn't being changed it's being filled in. If we haven't seen living viable proof of 15 dinosaurs than whoever's in charge of expanding the universe would be at liberty to fill in the remaining mystery dinosaurs.

I absolutely agree with you. I know we are not talking about removing anything. I'm just saying that the existing list was established and nothing SHOULD be removed, BUT it would be great to see it filled in or expanded. I've seen comments in the past where people have suggested using something from the book instead, but we have to remember this is strictly movie canon.

[SpielbergFan]

As for the Brocures, you can see them in the main road scene when Grant is looking for something to distract the Rex from attacking the car Tim and Lex are in

I never noticed that in the movie.:)

http://www.jplegacy.org/encyc/maps/jptourmap.jpg

[trocks]

I never noticed that in the movie.:)

All the basic information you will need for your visit to Jurassic Park!

http://www.jplegacy.org/downloads/misc/jppropbrochure.pdf

[SpielbergFan]

All the basic information you will need for your visit to Jurassic Park!

http://www.jplegacy.org/downloads/misc/jppropbrochure.pdf

Wow, thank you! TellTale HAS to see that!

[BLACK_HAWK94]

So excluding the Troodon, which is an unknown species on the island (hopefully it's creation is explained, as it is a little hard to believe that someone would miss a creature like that being cloned) that leaves us with two other species to work with, since we're not going off of the novel.

Now who to say the Troodons a new species? They simply said one not scene before... and the majority of the dinosaurs on the species list are unseen.

[Cyberscribe]

Now who to say the Troodons a new species? They simply said one not scene before... and the majority of the dinosaurs on the species list are unseen.

Exactly. That's why we can't count them out of the list just yet until it's been been CONFIRMED that they are an unnatural occurrence on the island.

[BLACK_HAWK94]

Exactly. That's why we can't count them out of the list just yet until it's been been CONFIRMED that they are an unnatural occurrence on the island.

My theory is this... the troodons are a known species to InGen, and have been eating toxic plant's throughout the environment (may not be so IDK if they're omnivourous) and like the poisen dart frog (amphibian DNA) have developed a venom from the plants.

NOTE: Poisen Dart Frogs are harmless if denied the plant they eat that makes them toxic.

[Cyberscribe]

As for Compsognathus, for anyone who has been to the JP Ride in Hollywood, pay close attention to the video presentation that you watch while you're waiting in line. It's been a long time since I've been when the ride was brand new, "but" one of the big, unique little bits of commentary that the video presentation went into that caught my attention, was of the "vital" importance that Compies serve in the park; i.e. as the dung beetles of the dinosaur world. Apparently according to the lore of JP, Compies were discovered to have a natural tendency for eating the droppings of the other dinosaurs and thus helping to manage the cleanliness of the dinosaur paddocks. Sounds critically important to me.

Well, since we are going off movie canon, Compsognathus had no mention of having that role in the park whatsoever in the films. In fact, this "privelege" if you want to call it that went to Procompsognathus in the novels and is a totally different species and more closely related to Segisaurus than any other dinosaur in this series including Compsognathus. So for integrity's sake, I think that Segisaurus should replace any speculative views of having Compys on Nublar. Segisaurus might have even replaced the Procomp's role of eating the sauropod waste in the films. Thereby saving room for Troodon to be entered on the list if necessary.

[Cyberscribe]

Original 15?:
1.Tyrannosaurus*
2. Velociraptor*
3. Dilophosaurus*
4. Brachiosaurus
5. Parasaurolophus*
6. Triceratops*
7. Gallimimus
8. Stegosaurus
9. Metriacanthosaurus
10. Proceratosaurus
11. Herrerasaurus*
12. Segisaurus
13. Baryonyx
14. Compsognathus*
15. Mosasaurus*/Pteranodon*

Secret Dino: Troodon*, Mosasaurus*/Pteranodon?*

*= Confirmed as being in JP the game

I'm guessing either Mosasaurus or Pteranodon are not included in the original 15 just like Troodon.

[hiplobonoxa]

up until now, only thirteen genera have ever been confirmed to be on isla nublar on film, either through being seen on screen, on the embryo tubes, or on the park map in the brochure. the sequels, however, added several more genera, both through direct and indirect evidence.

it recently occurred to me, and correct me if i'm wrong, that the only mention of there being only fifteen species on the island (in the film, anyway) came from dodgson in his conversation with nedry in san jose. that being said, i would suspect, being from biosyn, that dodgson may have had limited knowledge of what ingen was working on, because it's quite obvious that they had upward of twenty species between what was seen on nublar, what was seen on sorna, and what was indirectly referenced on screen. this may be another loophole that both the filmmakers and telltale could exploit to increase the number of genera without contradiction. nedry, as a known mole and the developer of the park's systems, would at least be familiar with the animals in the park, but may have known about others. of course, dodgson may have had other moles, but, either way, between nedry and whoever else may have been feeding biosyn info, the combined list had been maxed out at fifteen by the time nedry stole the embryos. that being said, nedry may have encountered embryos in cold storage that neither he nor anyone else in contact with biosyn may have known about prior to the theft. just some food for thought...

[sniperwar10]

where is Baryonyx? :(

[Shadowknight1]

One thing that bugs me, both in that brochure and the one TellTale is doing...the brochure either has the car track going the wrong way, or they have the Dilophosaur enclosure on the wrong side of the road. In the movie, Richard Kiley says, "If you look on your right, you'll see one of the first dinosaurs on our tour, called Dilophosaurus." Going by that map, the Dilophosaurs would've been on the LEFT.

[Mystic Terrapin]

@hiplobonoxa: So I don't remember but is it stated that there are only 15 species on the first island? Maybe when Dodgson told Nedry to get all 15, he meant the max amount of slots the Barbasol can could carry. If so, could there be more embryos in storage somewhere else?

[Cyberscribe]

@hiplobonoxa: So I don't remember but is it stated that there are only 15 species on the first island? Maybe when Dodgson told Nedry to get all 15, he meant the max amount of slots the Barbasol can could carry. If so, could there be more embryos in storage somewhere else?
It's possible. In the video about the troodon quarantine pens it mentions that all of the troodon embryos were stored elsewhere to remove them from the current stock since they felt that the troodon's were not a favorable species to feature at the park.

[Mystic Terrapin]

Actually I was thinking that if Telltale wanted to, they could have more dinos that aren't mentioned elsewhere as non-public dinos. Maybe they wouldn't be officially introduced/updated into park advertising until a while after the park opens. This could include dinos like Mosasaur.

[hiplobonoxa]

i'd think if apple can keep almost any information regarding its latest iteration of the iphone or ipad from getting to the public before an official announcement, ingen would certainly be able to do the same thing with a new creature. on one hand, we're talking about a slightly upgraded technology. on the other hand, we're talking about an extinct organism recreated with genetic technologies. think of the excitement ingen could create year after year by keeping its creations a secret and then, once interest has reached a fever pitch, announcing the new creatures. businesses have an invested interest in keeping secrets and ingen would be no exception.

[KingHorror]

i'd think if apple can keep almost any information regarding its latest iteration of the iphone or ipad from getting the public before an official announcement, ingen would certainly be able to do the same thing with a new creature. on one hand, we're talking about a slightly upgraded technology. on the other hand, we're talking about an extinct organism recreated with genetic technologies. think of the excitement ingen could create year after year by keeping its creations a secret and then, once interest has reached a fever pitch, announcing the new creatures. businesses have an invested interest in keeping secrets and ingen would be no exception.

Except for The fact that both The iPhone 4&5 prototypes were left in a bar by an apple employee and then all the features were leaked to the Public:cool:. But yes, your right It would be Great if Ingen could keep it a secret.

[SWGNATE]

Except for The fact that both The iPhone 4&5 prototypes were left in a bar by an apple employee and then all the features were leaked to the Public:cool:. But yes, your right It would be Great if Ingen could keep it a secret.

true gentleman true...but your writing off the possibility of peter ludlow forgetting a Compsognathus in a public restroom XD

[jurassiraptor]

Actually I was thinking that if Telltale wanted to, they could have more dinos that aren't mentioned elsewhere as non-public dinos. Maybe they wouldn't be officially introduced/updated into park advertising until a while after the park opens. This could include dinos like Mosasaur.

It is mentioned in the books that InGen's scientists often didn't know what kinds of dinosaurs they had until they hatched and matured enough to compare to known species. If the island was evacuated while any dinosaurs were in this stage between hatching and identification, you could make the case that there could be any number of unknown or unlisted species. Spinosaurus and troodon may fall into this category.

[RaventheBlack]

So Troodon just appeared? I thought it was intentionally made to be exhibited in the park. What's the big secret? it's just another dinosaur.The Troodon are considred to be a very highly intelligent and nocturnal dinosaur capable of hamring both vistors and park staff,their nocturnal habits has rendred them to be of little value to the park and too dangerous to handle,by doing the park tour and entering the hidden north-western area using the password:please,it will describe they have rounded up these dinosaurs and intend to exterminate them as they have very little financial value to the park.Hence a mistake.

[Sporelord]

Just an FYI here, but if you actually read the descriptions under the InGen videos, you would have all the explanation you need about troodon.
:)

[Romeosierra616]

Well here's all I have so far.
(Embryos that Nedry took seen on screen)
1. Proceratosaurus
2. Gallimimus
3. TyranNosaurus Rex
4. Velociraptor
5. StegOsaurus
6. Metriacanthosaurus
7. Triceratops
(Dinosaurs seen in Park)
8. Dilophosaurus
9. Brachiosaurus
10. Parasaurolophus
(Dinosaurs seen on Brochure)
11. Baryonyx
12. Herrerasaurus
13. Segisaurus
(Dinosaurs introduced in canonical video games)
14. Troodon

So basically for Tell-Tale to stay true to the movies they must use this list of dinosaurs plus one other dinosaur for the whole list to remain true to the Jurassic Park Lore. :cool:


You forgot Compys lol!

[Shadowknight1]

You forgot Compys lol!

And Pteranodons.

I don't know if Troodon would be on the official list if InGen was planning on euthanizing them. We already know that there are some species that they hadn't brought to the park, ie. Mamenchisaurus, Corythosaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Ankylosaurus.

[hiplobonoxa]

It is mentioned in the books that InGen's scientists often didn't know what kinds of dinosaurs they had until they hatched and matured enough to compare to known species.

you're discounting the fact that genetic information itself can be used to determine where an unknown organism falls phylogenetically relative to known organisms. once they'd sequenced a few animals and had been able to tie genetic information in with morphological information from the fossil record, the identity of a new sample could be predicted with a fairly high degree of certainty.

[Romeosierra616]

you're discounting the fact that genetic information itself can be used to determine where an unknown organism falls phylogenetically relative to known organisms. once they'd sequenced a few animals and had been able to tie genetic information in with morphological information from the fossil record, the identity of a new sample could be predicted with a fairly high degree of certainty.


Not high enough to avoid the SPINOSAURUS!!!! :p

[Cyberscribe]

You forgot Compys lol!
Go back to my revised list, i fixed that.

And Pteranodons.

I don't know if Troodon would be on the official list if InGen was planning on euthanizing them. We already know that there are some species that they hadn't brought to the park, ie. Mamenchisaurus, Corythosaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Ankylosaurus.
Go back to my revised list, i fixed that as well. Troodon is not one of the original 15 embryos because InGen supposed that Troodon was unappealing as an attraction and so all of it's embryos were removed from the current stock and stored elsewhere. It says so on the website's description of the quarantine pen.

[Faceslasher]

Everyone, TROODON ISN'T A DINOSAUR OF JURASSIC PARK. The game canon only has that difference.

[Cyberscribe]

Everyone, TROODON ISN'T A DINOSAUR OF JURASSIC PARK. The game canon only has that difference.
What do you mean? Do you mean Troodon isn't an original embryo or Troodon doesn't exist in the film canon at all? And also the game canon also has Mosasaurus, which is another difference in the game canon vs. film canon.

[T002Tyrant]

I'm counting this game as official cannon. I've been hungry for some official fleshing out of the film world, even if it isn't necessary for the film's story.

It's interesting to have a more in depth knowledge to the park to know what attractions were planned, that there were a pack of dilophosaurus and they were juvenile. It's great that there were more things about the novel in the park such as compys etc.

I'm sure the dinosaurs on the brochure were to be implemented by Phase II or even after Grant Ellie and Malcolm had approved the park.

Remember the trip to Jurassic Park was supposed to "wow" them into approval so the park could get the investors to supply the last of the $$$ to finish Phase I due to the death(s) of the staff during construction made the investors unsure if this was a wise move to have a dinosaur zoo.

On another interesting note from that InGen had no money to continue without said investors. Which can also lead to speculation on missing dinosaurs on the film brochure compared to the game. Maybe??

[interitus]

My issue is with Compy's. From a tourist standpoint they would have to be in a confined area to see them. They are too small for a decent sized paddock. The Compy position in the game has them along the road from the heliport. Since they aren't on the main tour wewouldn't see them.

If you go with the theory that they cleaned up the various pens that would either mean are in every pen or they can freely more between pens.

I will admit that the raptors appear a distance away from the visitor centre where in the movies they appear to be walking distance. So the compy's MIGHT be in a small nearby pen, similar to raptors. The brochure's style might simply make them look further away.

Frankly though I don't see a compy as a big draw to tourists and for me it doesn't really make sense for them to be on the island.

[hiplobonoxa]

maybe some compies are in a pen to do tricks for the toursits and the others are allowed to run about and eat as much poop as they'd like.

[T002Tyrant]

My issue is with Compy's. From a tourist standpoint they would have to be in a confined area to see them. They are too small for a decent sized paddock. The Compy position in the game has them along the road from the heliport. Since they aren't on the main tour wewouldn't see them.

If you go with the theory that they cleaned up the various pens that would either mean are in every pen or they can freely more between pens.

I will admit that the raptors appear a distance away from the visitor centre where in the movies they appear to be walking distance. So the compy's MIGHT be in a small nearby pen, similar to raptors. The brochure's style might simply make them look further away.

Frankly though I don't see a compy as a big draw to tourists and for me it doesn't really make sense for them to be on the island.

Maybe they just run freely?

I presume the compys in TLW attacked people because of territory and because that one guy hurt one of them and they went on some stupid revenge mission to kill him off.

[interitus]

Maybe they just run freely?

I presume the compys in TLW attacked people because of territory and because that one guy hurt one of them and they went on some stupid revenge mission to kill him off.

I thought of that, but that would let them freely walk on the compound. But the attack on Cathy shows that they could attack anyone. Yes, she fed them but it seems like too much of a risk to visitor safety. It also allows them to get into all sorts of things. It seems like introducing a pest then trying to find a better way to keep the park clean.

[Romeosierra616]

Yeah I'd have to guess that Ingen Originally had the 16 embryos, but by the time we the audience are introduced to them in the movie, they had already removed Troodon stock from the list of dinosaurs due to their pending destruction.

then again, they may have never been added to the list at all. due to their un-appealing nature. and hence why Harding doesn't even know about them.


I'd also assume that a set number of Compy's were placed in each paddock, to act as the janitors for each species, excluding the carnivores of course lol

although I think they were free roaming within the park in the Novel, I think the staff just never realized the danger they possessed, and assumed that the little scavengers would never go after people. Guess Hammond found out the truth the hard way :/

[T002Tyrant]

I thought of that, but that would let them freely walk on the compound. But the attack on Cathy shows that they could attack anyone. Yes, she fed them but it seems like too much of a risk to visitor safety. It also allows them to get into all sorts of things. It seems like introducing a pest then trying to find a better way to keep the park clean.

Hmmmm well I think the attack on that girl was dumb anyway, just like most of TLW plot. I know it still counts as cannon, but I wish it didn't otherwise telltale's nice nod to the novel may have worked without any issue.

[bloodkiller630]

So excluding the Troodon, which is an unknown species on the island (hopefully it's creation is explained, as it is a little hard to believe that someone would miss a creature like that being cloned) that leaves us with two other species to work with, since we're not going off of the novel.


here is isla sorna's dinosaurs if anyone is also wandering

Apatosaurus (The Lost World script)
Ankylosaurus
Anatotitan (The Lost World script)
Baryonyx
Brachiosaurus
Ceratosaurus
Compsognathus
Corythosaurus
Dilophosaurus
Gallimimus
Herrerasaurus
Leptoceratops (Mentioned)
Maiasaura (mentioned)
Mamenchisaurus
Metriacanthosaurus
Mosasaurus (Possibly)
Muttaburrasaurus (Mentioned)
Pachycephalosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Proceratosaurus
Pteranodon
Segisaurus
Spinosaurus
Stegosaurus
Suchomimus
Triceratops
Troodon (Possibly)
Tyrannosaurus rex
Velociraptor antirrhopus

[Cyberscribe]

here is isla sorna's dinosaurs if anyone is also wandering

Apatosaurus (The Lost World script)
Ankylosaurus
Anatotitan (The Lost World script)
Baryonyx
Brachiosaurus
Ceratosaurus
Compsognathus
Corythosaurus
Dilophosaurus
Gallimimus
Herrerasaurus
Leptoceratops (Mentioned)
Maiasaura (mentioned)
Mamenchisaurus
Metriacanthosaurus
Mosasaurus (Possibly)
Muttaburrasaurus (Mentioned)
Pachycephalosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Proceratosaurus
Pteranodon
Segisaurus
Spinosaurus
Stegosaurus
Suchomimus
Triceratops
Troodon (Possibly)
Tyrannosaurus rex
Velociraptor antirrhopus
Thanks. :) But this thread is all about isla nublar you might want to post this on one of the isla sorna threads. Did you get this from JP Legacy? Nice list.

[bloodkiller630]

albertosaurs was never mentioned

[Cyberscribe]

albertosaurs was never mentioned
Albertosaurs were in tresspasser and despite that game's incredible detail to the backstory of Jurassic park, few people consider it canon to the films.

[bloodkiller630]

Albertosaurs were in tresspasser and despite that game's incredible detail to the backstory of Jurassic park, few people consider it canon to the films.

it was also in jurassic park warpath, but why do they put dinosaurs on games that werent in the movies????? i am confused on that one:confused::confused::confused:

[Cyberscribe]

Original 15:
1.Tyrannosaurus*
2. Velociraptor*
3. Dilophosaurus*
4. Brachiosaurus* (Small Cameo)
5. Parasaurolophus*
6. Triceratops*
7. Gallimimus
8. Stegosaurus
9. Metriacanthosaurus
10. Proceratosaurus
11. Herrerasaurus*
12. Segisaurus or Tylosaurus*
13. Baryonyx
14. Compsognathus*
15. Pteranodon*

Secret Dino: Troodon* and possibly Tylosaurus*

*= Confirmed as being in JP the game

The Tylosaurus could possibly be a secret animal for the park. Dr. Harding mentions in the marine facility that he does not know of any marine reptile on his list. Dr. Sorkin also states in her journal that the Mosasaur is a Phase B attraction and is not currently on the list. However, Dr. Harding is not suprised at the mention of the Mosasaur and does not inquire as to why and how it is there in the park, also Dr. Sorkin's statement could simply be referring to animals that are not yet officially part of the park like Stegosaurus and Metriacanthosaurus.

[Sinaz20]

I wouldn't consider Mosasaur a Park 15.

Mosey is unique and somewhat accidental.

I'd consider that Mosasaur is cataloged as a gene sequence, but they don't have a stock of embryos yet. They've got to examine the viability of the species on the park. (well, of course, we know how that turns out :P )

[Asian Inferno]

I wouldn't consider Mosasaur a Park 15.

Mosey is unique and somewhat accidental.

I'd consider that Mosasaur is cataloged as a gene sequence, but they don't have a stock of embryos yet. They've got to examine the viability of the species on the park. (well, of course, we know how that turns out :P )
Did you guys actually explain how the Mosasaur was created or did I miss that? :confused:

[waroftheworlds01]

Did you guys actually explain how the Mosasaur was created or did I miss that? :confused:


Yep, before you get to the Mosasaur, check the water under the sign of the prehistoric dates. They got some living fossiles in there and they give a bit of an explaination of how they might of cloned it.

[mannyguy1]

THERE WAS NO BRACHIOSAUR CAMEO!!!! the fact the its beautiful sounds were heard when nima and harding were talking does not a cameo make! Or did I miss something?

[Cyberscribe]

THERE WAS NO BRACHIOSAUR CAMEO!!!! the fact the its beautiful sounds were heard when nima and harding were talking does not a cameo make! Or did I miss something?
No that was the "cameo"... sorry if i led people on I just kinda at least wanted it to have an honorable mention.

[Cyberscribe]

I wouldn't consider Mosasaur a Park 15.

Mosey is unique and somewhat accidental.

I'd consider that Mosasaur is cataloged as a gene sequence, but they don't have a stock of embryos yet. They've got to examine the viability of the species on the park. (well, of course, we know how that turns out :P )
By gene sequence do you mean that Sorkin used the pure dna of the mosasaur without enhancing it with amphibian dna?

[Sinaz20]

By gene sequence do you mean that Sorkin used the pure dna of the mosasaur without enhancing it with amphibian dna?

Not quite.

The idea is that the Jurassic Park biotechnicians extract blood from the mosquitoes. They isolate every unique set of genes they encounter and catalog them. The catalog them mostly so they can match up other samples of similr DNA to build a more complete genetic structure for any given genome. Sorkin would rather wait until a complete genome is collected and pieced together before cloning, but Henry Wu has ideas about how to speed that up.

When they find gene sequences that seem to be mostly intact, they repair them as much as they can (with amphibian DNA) and clone it into a prototype embryo.

They observe what hatches and classify it. Most of these prototype embryos end up stillborn or malformed-- indicating non-viable genomes. Whatever survives is evaluated for their appropriateness to the park. The official embryos are not cloned en masse and kept in cold storage unless the board of directors agrees to move forward with the species.

So, InGen may have a great number of genomes cataloged that have no existing cloned embryos yet. Mosasaur is one of them, as the only existing embryo is now a matured creature. They want to see how the first cloned one turns out before committing on approving it as a possible 16th official Jurassic Park dinosaur. (or... marine lizard.)

[Dr.Dino]

That makes a lot of sense. Not only that but the whole expansion related to the park management you guys added into the game. *Thumbs up!*

[Shadowknight1]

That makes a lot of sense. Not only that but the whole expansion related to the park management you guys added into the game. *Thumbs up!*

Agreed, but unlike Dr. Sorkin, I'm not so quick to lay all the blame at Hammond's feet. Yes Hammond isn't a scientist, but the movie's version of Hammond isn't a ruthless out-for-money business man. Unfortunately, even the Founder/CEO of InGen must answer to the board of directors, and the board of directors wants money and quick results. Thus we got Wu's approach to genetic sequencing. However, with Sorkin, the park would have failed anyways since she decided to hide the Troodons, which got free without her knowing. Imagine the chaos that would have ensued if the park had opened.

[Emo Hoe]

The worrying thing about Sorkin & Trodoon is:
She specifically says:
I thought they were getting out of their pen (implied to be pre-power outage)

It's like really you mentalist? A dino deemed MORE dangerous than the rex and raptors that you saved from being killed off you THINK might be escaping (while the power was ON) and you don't do a thing about it or mention it??????

[Shadowknight1]

Again, Sorkin didn't want the place to be a park. She wanted it to be a biological preserve. Too bad she didn't live to see Hammond rectify that with Site B.

[Asian Inferno]

THERE WAS NO BRACHIOSAUR CAMEO!!!! the fact the its beautiful sounds were heard when nima and harding were talking does not a cameo make! Or did I miss something?
It was a cameo...

[lordvader900]

15 dinosaurs are, in my thoughts...

1. Proceratosaurus (Actually Ceratosaurus)
2. Gallimimus
3. Tyrannosaurus
4. Velociraptor
5. Stegosaurus
6. Metriacanthosaurus
7. Triceratops
8. Dilophosaurus
9. Brachiosaurus
10. Parasaurolophus
11. Baryonyx (Actually Spinosaurus)
12. Herrerasaurus
13. Segisaurus
14. Compsognathus (Free-Roaming)
15. Pteranodon (In Aivary)
Pachycephalosaurus was too aggresive to put in the park.
Corythosaurus was meant to be integrated with Parasaurolophus.
Mamenchisaurus was mean to be integrated with Brachiosaurus.
The aggressive Pteranodons were locked away in the Sorna Aivary.
Mosaurus was an unexpected success in DNA extraction.
Troodon was unknown to staff at the time.

[Cyberscribe]

15 dinosaurs are, in my thoughts...

1. Proceratosaurus (Actually Ceratosaurus)
2. Gallimimus
3. Tyrannosaurus
4. Velociraptor
5. Stegosaurus
6. Metriacanthosaurus
7. Triceratops
8. Dilophosaurus
9. Brachiosaurus
10. Parasaurolophus
11. Baryonyx (Actually Spinosaurus)
12. Herrerasaurus
13. Segisaurus
14. Compsognathus (Free-Roaming)
15. Pteranodon (In Aivary)
Pachycephalosaurus was too aggresive to put in the park.
Corythosaurus was meant to be integrated with Parasaurolophus.
Mamenchisaurus was mean to be integrated with Brachiosaurus.
The aggressive Pteranodons were locked away in the Sorna Aivary.
Mosaurus was an unexpected success in DNA extraction.
Troodon was unknown to staff at the time.
Yeah I wouldn't be suprised if Proceratosaurus and Baryonyx were actually Ceratosaurus and Spinosaurus. But while Barynoyx and Spinosaurus were related, Proceratosaurus and Ceratosaurus were not. Baryonyx could also be a mislabled suchomimus. And I guess Ankylosaurus would be aggressive as well. Very interesting explanations. Also, and I'm sorry I'm just anal about stuff like this, It's a Tylosaurus not a Mosasaurus.

[lordvader900]

Yeah I wouldn't be suprised if Proceratosaurus and Baryonyx were actually Ceratosaurus and Spinosaurus. But while Barynoyx and Spinosaurus were related, Proceratosaurus and Ceratosaurus were not. Baryonyx could also be a mislabled suchomimus. And I guess Ankylosaurus would be aggressive as well. Very interesting explanations. Also, and I'm sorry I'm just anal about stuff like this, It's a Tylosaurus not a Mosasaurus.

I'm just assuming InGen thought Ceratosaurus and Proceratosaurus looked the same and got confused.
Also, Ankylosaurus I guess would end up being with Stegosaurus - I don't think they'd be very exciting anyway.
And is the Mosasaurus really a Tylosaurus? I'll have to research that. In Episode 4 of The Game they refer to it as a Mosasaur.

[Oviraptor]

Not every species would be going to Nublar, there was also Jurassic Park Europe and Japan.

[Cyberscribe]

I'm just assuming InGen thought Ceratosaurus and Proceratosaurus looked the same and got confused.
Also, Ankylosaurus I guess would end up being with Stegosaurus - I don't think they'd be very exciting anyway.
And is the Mosasaurus really a Tylosaurus? I'll have to research that. In Episode 4 of The Game they refer to it as a Mosasaur.

Listen to the episode 4 commentary.

Not every species would be going to Nublar, there was also Jurassic Park Europe and Japan.

That's in the Novel, but not necessarily in the films.

[Oviraptor]

Both are shown in the slideshow in the film.

[Cyberscribe]

Both are shown in the slideshow in the film.

Well, I'll be! Wow I seriously never noticed that before! I saw Europe but I couldn't find Japan. Thanks, I never would have seen that!