Which issue is most important to you?

[samusaran253]

Vote & Discuss

[samusaran253]

Of course an incompetent moderator edits my poll to replace an option with his own rhetoric.

[WarpSpeed]

I think you might find there are other forums on the Internet that will give you a better political debate than this one. This forum is generally for people who want to play games and have fun.

[samusaran253]

I think you might find there are other forums on the Internet that will give you a better political debate than this one. This forum is generally for people who want to play games and have fun.

This is off topic, the one section you DON'T discuss games.

[Scnew]

But you'll notice that we don't often take these topics you post very seriously for very long.

[coolsome]

Im suprised gay rights isnt on there

[Comrade Pants]

Im suprised gay rights isnt on there

This. Also, pot.


Of course an incompetent moderator edits my poll to replace an option with his own rhetoric.

What was the topic?

[samusaran253]

What was the topic?

The moderator replaced "LGBT Rights" with "None of the above"

[coolsome]

The moderator replaced "LGBT Rights" with "None of the above"

No fucking way!

[Scnew]

That's pretty douchy. Does it tell you who it was?

[Giant Tope]

Bullshit, that was never an option on the poll.

[coolsome]

I find that extremely offencive that out of all these potentially controversial issues he and or she felt the need to change LGBT rights to none of the above! Hell its like changing that important issue and saying its a generic problem that can be lumped with all the other unimportant issues.

[GuruGuru214]

Okay, I was going to leave you to your conspiracy theory up until now, but this is crossing the line. No options were replaced. "None of the above" was added as an extra option. I felt that the there should be an option to represent people who legitimately just don't feel that strongly about any of these issues. I do not appreciate you insinuating that there was any discrimination involved in the edit. And as a good faith action, I've added "LGBT Rights" to the poll options.

[coolsome]

Okay, I was going to leave you to your conspiracy theory up until now, but this is crossing the line. No options were replaced. "None of the above" was added as an extra option. I felt that the there should be an option to represent people who legitimately just don't feel that strongly about any of these issues. I do not appreciate you insinuating that there was any discrimination involved in the edit. And as a good faith action, I've added "LGBT Rights" to the poll options.

Im sorry for going out of control I thought he was telling the truth about the LGBT rights being replaced. I hope I didn't offend you with my rant :p.

Samus that was completely out of order lying about The Mods discriminating. You seriously need to apologise to Guru for that.

[GuruGuru214]

No offense taken. If that was what had really happened, that would've been a totally legitimate reaction to it.

[Secret Fawful]

I don't like to care about issues. So none.

[Johro]

yanno. I'm for gun control...because really. who wants to be shot in the face by a crazy person. I know it's a touchy issue in the states, but c'mon, it's not like (insert current perceived enemy here) is going to drop troopers down or come over by boat and you'll start man on man combat... Trust me, a nice big sword deters burglers just as well lol personal firearms really arent necessary, especially in this day and age.

Now 75% of the forum hates me, and if they don't like my opinion, **** 'em.

[Vainamoinen]

Now 75% of the forum hates me, .

We've been talking about gun control in other threads and, judging the entire forum from these moments, I'd estimate that at least 9 out of 10 regular forumites agree with you.

[Sausy Gibbon]

LGBT while other issues may pass a decision on this will always be relevent.

[doodinthemood]

My strongest issues are the government restrictions with regards to drugs and sex, and neither of them are on the poll. Thus it was a tie up between gun control and the military, neither of which I am massively in support of (odd for a Briton). I ended up choosing gun control.

Also, what was up with the raging above guys? Hear both sides first :p

That being said I disagree with LBGT rights too. The government isn't currently restricting the LBGT community in any way. So they need no more specific attention.

[Giant Tope]

That being said I disagree with LBGT rights too. The government isn't currently restricting the LBGT community in any way. So they need no more specific attention.

Well, you're mostly right, but in the UK, you can't get married, and yeah there is a difference. Also gay men can't donate blood which is pretty ridiculous.

[doodinthemood]

Well, you're mostly right, but in the UK, you can't get married, and yeah there is a difference. Also gay men can't donate blood which is pretty ridiculous.

Gay people can get married. They can go to a big building, and have all their family come along, and have a priest declare them united under any religion they want, and then go off on a honeymoon.
The only part they cannot do is get the government to formally notice it, and good! Mind you, I wish they wouldn't waste time formally noticing straight marriage either.

Also true on the blood thing. I wasn't allowed to donate blood cos of that. Needs to change.

[DAISHI]

With the state of the economy I don't know how money can't be on people's minds.

[puzzlebox]

Completely depends on what region you're considering. Gay rights is a massive issue in Uganda (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/uganda-politicians-hold-hearings-on-antigay-bill-2281516.html), for example, compared to the situation in the UK. Unemployment might be a big problem in Spain (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Unemployment_statistics), not so much in the Netherlands. The Australian economy sailed through the global financial crisis relatively unscathed, and the Aussie dollar topped 110 US cents (http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/aussie-dollar-eases-back-after-topping-110-us-cents-20110502-1e3m9.html) last week (the highest since the AUD was floated in the 80s). I probably wouldn't say any single one of the issues listed is "most important" on a global scale, except possibly energy & environment.

[Giant Tope]

Gay people can get married. They can go to a big building, and have all their family come along, and have a priest declare them united under any religion they want, and then go off on a honeymoon.
The only part they cannot do is get the government to formally notice it, and good!

...But your statement was that the Government wasn't restricting lgbt in any way. This is a way. Just because you think hetero marriage recognition shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[doodinthemood]

...But your statement was that the Government wasn't restricting lgbt in any way. This is a way. Just because you think hetero marriage recognition shouldn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I don't see it as restricting LGBT. It's unnecessarily boosting monogamous straight relationships. It restricts LGBT to the same level it restricts those who are unable to hold down a straight relationship - not very much. If we say the answer to this is to waste more time and money getting the government to officially notice gay couples, then could we not be said to be restricting the single folk? They are the only group left not getting the privelege of some bureaucrat entering their names into a computer.

[Giant Tope]

That's... still not equality in the eyes of the government. Shit, if you don't like it then go right ahead, but it's still not equality. Especially since there's no reason NOT to allow it when male-female couples can.

[doodinthemood]

It wouldn't be equality if it were allowed. The only equality would be to stop government-officiated straight marriage (which is what I'd go for) or to declare everyone married, which surely robs the ceremony of some of its meaning for people?
If gay people really are not content with marriage unless it involves a government guy tapping into a computer and changing all future forms so they list the people as married, then hey, I want to feel important to that nameless government dude too! Is it unfair that the government doesn't officially recognise my love of sticky toffee pudding?

I doubt that the government bit of it is really the most profound for the couple either. They promise, in front of everyone in their life, that they will spend the rest of their days with one person, and yet we still spend time pushing for this to also be written down on a piece of paper by a dude we never met?

[Vainamoinen]

It's unnecessarily boosting monogamous straight relationships.

It most definitly is. The idea probably is that kids will come from them upon which we can eventually dump our problems, and the discrimination is unintended, but here we go: The discrimination is undoubtedly there.

I fully endorse that the state should help families financially when there are children, but before that, just because of marriage? I don't see the need. I am for equal rights, but for me, that also means limiting the benefits of "marriage". It's a discrimination of single people also. Bad luck finding your soul mate? In that case, the state doesn't like you as well.

Still, this is not a governmental invention, this is the persistent grip of the church in so many countries who still claim to separate state from religion. If we are to reach equal rights, we must completely reevaluate the status of this institution. Quite possibly, we must conclude that it doesn't have a place in matters of the government at all.

[Giant Tope]

It wouldn't be equality if it were allowed. The only equality would be to stop government-officiated straight marriage (which is what I'd go for) or to declare everyone married, which surely robs the ceremony of some of its meaning for people?

If gay people really are not content with marriage unless it involves a government guy tapping into a computer and changing all future forms so they list the people as married, then hey, I want to feel important to that nameless government dude too! Is it unfair that the government doesn't officially recognise my love of sticky toffee pudding?

I doubt that the government bit of it is really the most profound for the couple either. They promise, in front of everyone in their life, that they will spend the rest of their days with one person, and yet we still spend time pushing for this to also be written down on a piece of paper by a dude we never met?

This is about civil marriage. Let's be frank, the government is never going to take this benefit away from hetero marriage. While there are civil partnerships in the UK for those in same gender pairings, the fact that it's everything but the name is eerily close to Jim Crow laws which made African Americans to be "separate but equal" up until 1965.

There is no reason to keep these separate. The only thing keeping them from doing this is people thinking gay sex is squicky. Which is no reason at all.

Also, the meaning of the ceremony is different for everyone. I bet you that there are people in your country disgusted that someone would marry one of a different ethnicity and feel that their meaning marriage has been robbed. Does that mean we should outlaw interracial marriage again? I know in Mormonism, anything but temple marriage is considered not a true marriage. Does that mean we should cater one group's needs and cut out everything else?

Marriage is so ingrained into our society's cultures. It's something the vast majority can relate to on one scale or another. Not recognizing that one is married by calling it "civil partnership" is essentially the government telling those getting one that they aren't as good as hetero pairs. That one group is inherently superior to the other. This is discrimination.

UK's got it good, I really can't lie, but saying it's full equality is bullshit.

[doodinthemood]

I would outlaw interracial marriage, yes.
We shouldn't cater to anyones needs when it comes down to little declarations of love. Cut out that bit altogether and give the tax money back.
It isn't equality right now because successful monogamous straight people are given an unfair ride in that they get to have the government waste time over their weddings.
It wouldn't be equality if they started wasting time and money doing the same for gay couples too. It would be more unequal because you'd need to waste more time and money to do it. It would be a big step backwards for equality.

I said that gay people are not restricted in any way. This is true (apart from the blood example which got pointed out). Gay people can marry. They just cannot get significant monetary gain from it, or waste the governments time by forcing them to notice. That's a good thing.

[Giant Tope]

I'm always perturbed by comments like yours because people say "outlaw civil marriage in general!" whenever gay marriage is brought up as an excuse, yet outside this conversation, no action is ever taken. It becomes a move of spite.

You don't like civil marriage. Cool, I get that. It still doesn't mean gays are equal to straight in the eyes of the government. Which was the the thing you claimed in the beginning.

There's two options here. Either get rid of civil marriage (never going to happen) or let gays officially get married (far more likely).

Taking action against gays who desperately want their union to be recognized like everyone elses just because you don't like marriage is just plain cruel.

[Comrade Pants]

So... if education isn't fixed, I hope everyone realizes how well and truly fucked we are down the road. As far as I'm concerned, everything else is secondary to ensuring the safety and security of our future. We're all pretty much going to depend on today's youth while we're old. Unless, well, we plan on dying around age 50. Brb, vodka.

[doodinthemood]

I'm always perturbed by comments like yours because people say "outlaw civil marriage in general!" whenever gay marriage is brought up as an excuse, yet outside this conversation, no action is ever taken. It becomes a move of spite.

You don't like civil marriage. Cool, I get that. It still doesn't mean gays are equal to straight in the eyes of the government. Which was the the thing you claimed in the beginning.

There's two options here. Either get rid of civil marriage (never going to happen) or let gays officially get married (far more likely).

Taking action against gays who desperately want their union to be recognized like everyone elses just because you don't like marriage is just plain cruel.

I don't understand what you mean by move of spite, or me being cruel. Ultimately, gay marriage means me paying for someone to have a piece of paper signed at the end of a ceremony, followed by me paying for those people's tax breaks. It's not even that. It's worse than that. It's me being robbed under threat of prison in order to pay for that. I think we should agree to disagree on this though probably :p A lot of people are very passionately pro-gay marriage. And it hardly helps that, as you said above, almost all people on my side are there because they think gay sex should be punishable by death, etc.

[Alcoremortis]

So... if education isn't fixed, I hope everyone realizes how well and truly fucked we are down the road. As far as I'm concerned, everything else is secondary to ensuring the safety and security of our future. We're all pretty much going to depend on today's youth while we're old. Unless, well, we plan on dying around age 50. Brb, vodka.

I don't know about you, but I plan on never retiring. They will have to pry my work out of my cold, dead hands...

[Friar]

Well, you're mostly right, but in the UK, you can't get married, and yeah there is a difference. Also gay men can't donate blood which is pretty ridiculous.
But they might spread the gay gene!!!!1111! :p
Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous.
I think openly gay people have issues getting into the military too (at least in the states). I understand it can be grounds for instant dismissal (but the operate a don't ask/don't tell policy, and I would imagine most commanders would turn a blind eye). Obama tried to get that changed, but I think it was blocked.

I have no idea what the policy on that stuff is over here. But then it doesn't really concern me. I have no plans to join the military any time soon.

[Scnew]

But they might spread the gay gene!!!!1111! :p
Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous.
I think openly gay people have issues getting into the military too (at least in the states). I understand it can be grounds for instant dismissal (but the operate a don't ask/don't tell policy, and I would imagine most commanders would turn a blind eye). Obama tried to get that changed, but I think it was blocked.

I have no idea what the policy on that stuff is over here. But then it doesn't really concern me. I have no plans to join the military any time soon.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed, but it won't take affect until Obama and the Pentagon say the armed forces are "ready for it," whatever that means.

[coolsome]

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed, but it won't take affect until Obama and the Pentagon say the armed forces are "ready for it," whatever that means.

They need to get enough lube for each unit.

[JedExodus]

If I may simplify the whole Civil Partnership in my own wee way. If it looks like marriage and does all the same things as marriage just call it marriage. Maybe cos i'm not gay I don't see the bruhaha about the name cos it gives the same rights, but it does seem like it's a way of putting up walls as if to say 'marriage is only for the breeders'

Back to the actual poll. If we're talking America I think health care's a big issue, letting someone die simply because they can't afford treatment is... well it's just not on. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Americas healthcare system, but rallying against healthcare for all as far as I can see it is a bit selfish. You're afraid to take a potential hit to a service you can afford and happy to let those who can't afford it to fall by the wayside and get sick. That's not really how civilised society works in my eyes, we all chip in.

If you can afford private fancy pants healthcare they're always be a market for it, there is in the UK even with the NHS

[Giant Tope]

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed, but it won't take affect until Obama and the Pentagon say the armed forces are "ready for it," whatever that means.

pretty sure it's not enforced no more

[Scnew]

They need to get enough lube for each unit.

http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/27298-butt_head.jpg

Huh huh.. huh huh huh... unit.

[Alcoremortis]

Back to the actual poll. If we're talking America I think health care's a big issue, letting someone die simply because they can't afford treatment is... well it's just not on. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Americas healthcare system, but rallying against healthcare for all as far as I can see it is a bit selfish. You're afraid to take a potential hit to a service you can afford and happy to let those who can't afford it to fall by the wayside and get sick. That's not really how civilised society works in my eyes, we all chip in.

If you can afford private fancy pants healthcare they're always be a market for it, there is in the UK even with the NHS

As far as healthcare goes, I really can't see exactly how it could be done and still function correctly. It's not a matter of money, really, though it would cost a lot to implement. It's a matter of doctors. We simply don't have enough doctors to be able to provide free healthcare to everyone. They're overworked as it is, and with the hordes of people that would be flocking to get medical attention after it is made accessible to everyone, healthcare would be even less efficient than it already is. Which is pretty inefficient.

The only solution to this that I can see would be to make medical schools easier to get into, which is a fairly disconcerting notion.

[JedExodus]

The only solution to this that I can see would be to make medical schools easier to get into, which is a fairly disconcerting notion.

Or cheaper, i'm sure it costs a lot to go to medical school.

Plus you have to prioritise You have a wart? Well you can't see a doc untill you've tried such and such a treatement first, that kind of thing. People'll bitch sure, but it works out better than leaving folks to suffer in poverty

[Alcoremortis]

Or cheaper, i'm sure it costs a lot to go to medical school.

Plus you have to prioritise You have a wart? Well you can't see a doc untill you've tried such and such a treatement first, that kind of thing. People'll bitch sure, but it works out better than leaving folks to suffer in poverty

It would be great if people would actually do that, but we both know that most everyone will lie in order to get out of doing more work. And enforcing such a ruling would cost the country even more money. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but whatever.

Of course, I can't think of a good solution where everyone gets the health care they need while not compromising its quality, so I guess I shouldn't really complain about it too much. Maybe solving our education issues would solve our "lack of doctors" issues. Or something like that.

[puzzlebox]

We simply don't have enough doctors to be able to provide free healthcare to everyone. [...]
The only solution to this that I can see would be to make medical schools easier to get into, which is a fairly disconcerting notion.

Now I'm not sure whether places like Australia and the UK have a greater proportion of clever people interested in medicine, or just dumber doctors. :p

[Alcoremortis]

Now I'm not sure whether places like Australia and the UK have a greater proportion of clever people interested in medicine, or just dumber doctors. :p

I think it's more a factor of how large America is. Also, I believe in the UK one starts training as a doctor earlier, like after two years of college, and is able to start practicing soon after. So there's most likely a faster turnover rate. And, especially in California, we have a huge number of illegal immigrants who add to the population and use the health care, but wouldn't be able to become doctors for obvious reasons. So there's that.

Which leads to another potential way to solve part of the problem: either somehow convince all the illegal immigrants to leave or just make them all citizens. One or the other. It's ridiculous to just leave things the way they are and hope the problem will go away.

[samusaran253]

yanno. I'm for gun control...because really. who wants to be shot in the face by a crazy person. I know it's a touchy issue in the states, but c'mon, it's not like (insert current perceived enemy here) is going to drop troopers down or come over by boat and you'll start man on man combat... Trust me, a nice big sword deters burglers just as well lol personal firearms really arent necessary, especially in this day and age.

Now 75% of the forum hates me, and if they don't like my opinion, **** 'em.

More like 90% of the forum hates you.

[JedExodus]

More like 90% of the forum hates you.

Don't think so bruv

[coolsome]

More like 90% of the forum hates you.

90% of the forum hates liars.

[Alcoremortis]

90% of the forum hates liars.

Ouch! Samus, I think you just got burned. Or maybe blowtorched.

[puzzlebox]

More like 90% of the forum hates you.

As others have said, that's probably grossly inaccurate. Many of us are from countries with existing strict gun control laws, and I know for a fact there are people from the US here as well who don't agree with "the right to bear arms". And believe it or not, some people are capable of holding differing opinions without hating one another.

I must say I don't understand why you start a thread like this, and then contribute little but potentially inflammatory comments.

[samusaran253]

90% of the forum hates liars.

The community backlash towards Guru made it worthwhile.

[coolsome]

The community backlash towards Guru made it worthwhile.

Community? It was just me who yelled and I apologised..Unless Im a community all by my self.

[Alcoremortis]

The community backlash towards Guru made it worthwhile.

It wasn't so much of a community backlash as like three people. And it wasn't directed at Guru in particular.

If you want to troll, you should pick something lovable, funny, and definitely more worthwhile than picking on someone who has already been through the ringer with Pants and I.

Edit: Ninja'd by the voice of TTG and apparently the entire community. This has got to be some sort of record.

[Vainamoinen]

This is off topic, the one section you DON'T discuss games.

Wrong. Many people in this sub-forum discuss games, mostly those not made by Telltale.

The moderator replaced "LGBT Rights" with "None of the above"

No, he didn't, and you knew.

More like 90% of the forum hates you.

Certainly they don't.

The community backlash towards Guru made it worthwhile.

Trolling as worthwhile? Interestingly, it is here that you err most.

[samusaran253]

Trolling as worthwhile? Interestingly, it is here that you err most.

Jesus trolled the Jews, so if I'm going to follow in someone's footsteps, why not Jesus?

[JedExodus]

Trolling as worthwhile? Interestingly, it is here that you err most.

I disagree, trolling can be worthwhile if it's just mischievous and makes people laugh.

Anyway, it's not really trolling if you look like a clown 20 minutes later :p

[GuruGuru214]

Jesus trolled the Jews, so if I'm going to follow in someone's footsteps, why not Jesus?

What.

[Alcoremortis]

Jesus trolled the Jews, so if I'm going to follow in someone's footsteps, why not Jesus?

That's an interesting assertion you've got there. Care to elaborate in what way Jesus trolled the Jews? Cause, he sorta was one, you know.

[samusaran253]

As others have said, that's probably grossly inaccurate. Many of us are from countries with existing strict gun control laws, and I know for a fact there are people from the US here as well who don't agree with "the right to bear arms".

It's not my fault your government doesn't even trust it's own people to own firearms or defend themselves. And almost everyone in the United States, if not everyone, supports the right to bear arms and is against banning guns. Even the most hardcore liberals and communists support the right to bear arms and many of them own guns themselves.

[coolsome]

Jesus trolled the Jews, so if I'm going to follow in someone's footsteps, why not Jesus?

As I recall they got him back pretty good.

[JedExodus]

It's not my fault your government doesn't even trust it's own people to own firearms or defend themselves. And almost everyone in the United States, if not everyone, supports the right to bear arms and is against banning guns. Even the most hardcore liberals and communists support the right to bear arms and many of them own guns themselves.

You are trying far too hard.

There's a lot of talk to be had here, let's not get distracted with nonsense guys :)

And, especially in California, we have a huge number of illegal immigrants who add to the population and use the health care, but wouldn't be able to become doctors for obvious reasons. So there's that..

UK and Ireland has open borders with the EU now, there's a lot of colouful new languages about our towns yet we're still getting on fine. Procedure and protocol are the key it seems

Quick quote time

A survey, commissioned by the HSE in 2007, found that patient satisfaction with the health service was quite high, with 90% of inpatients and 85% of outpatients saying they were satisfied with their treatment. In addition to this, 97% said they were satisfied with the care provided by their GP.

[StrongBrush1]

Guns. More specifically, kids with guns. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkFSe3voRc)

[Vainamoinen]

http://www.womenshooters.com/0311issue/pix0311/WGcover0311.jpg

[samusaran253]

As I recall they got him back pretty good.

Regardless, he was still worshiped by millions of gullible people 2000+ years later.

[coolsome]

Regardless, he was still worshiped by millions of gullible people 2000+ years later.

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives2/bloggraphics/petarded1.jpg

[doodinthemood]

>Start politics thread
>Claim admin homophobia
>Mock major world religion

I really like how samusaran is developping as a member :D

[Scnew]

And almost everyone in the United States, if not everyone, supports the right to bear arms and is against banning guns. Even the most hardcore liberals and communists support the right to bear arms and many of them own guns themselves.

Are you just being wrong on purpose, or are you really this uninformed?

[StrongBrush1]

>Start politics thread
>Claim admin homophobia
>Mock major world religion


>?????
>Profit!

[ShaggE]

Issue #551 is the most important to me.

http://images.comics.org//img/gcd/covers_by_id/53/w400/53060.jpg?8856978668992083562

[Alcoremortis]

I'm very sad that I already used my vote in this poll because I really want to change my vote to samusaran lying about the moderator. That's definitely the most important issue at stake here. Most definitely.

[DAISHI]

Regardless, he was still worshiped by millions of gullible people 2000+ years later.

Thanks for being an arse.

[coolsome]

Thanks for being an arse.

That ship has sailed so far it might catch up with Odysseus.

[samusaran253]

Are you just being wrong on purpose, or are you really this uninformed?

I'm not wrong. Most liberals don't want to ban guns, just like most conservatives don't hate gay people.

[Alcoremortis]

I'm not wrong. Most liberals don't want to ban guns, just like most conservatives don't hate gay people.

This is a pretty blanket statement. Could you perhaps back it up with some data?

[coolsome]

This is a pretty blanket statement. Could you perhaps back it up with some data?

Data Shmata! I think if this topic is anything to go on we can all trust Samus's word.

[Alcoremortis]

Data Shmata! I think if this topic is anything to go on we can all trust Samus's word.

You know what? You're right. How could I have possibly doubted anything he says? It's frankly absurd!

[samusaran253]

This is a pretty blanket statement. Could you perhaps back it up with some data?

http://ainn.ly/kdIIZK

[samusaran253]

You know what? You're right. How could I have possibly doubted anything he says? It's frankly absurd!

It's not like I ever lied to you before or anything...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SbqQ2scWIoI/AAAAAAAAcP0/NHNOiAbjmYU/s400/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg

[Giant Tope]

The community backlash towards Guru made it worthwhile.

Wow, I hate to sound mean, but you're kind of an asshole. And not of the endearing variety.

[samusaran253]

Seriously though, sorry for posting a misleading reply earlier about Guru, even if it was a joke.

[Giant Tope]

Sure, whatever, but just keep in mind our mods already get a lot of unneeded shit. Doing stuff like this to turn people against them even more is just plain not nice and does a lot of damage to our community. Even if it's "just a joke".

[samusaran253]

"Jesus trolling the Jews"
"Samusaran lying about moderator"
lolololololol

[Falanca]

My government will change the internet usage policy this summer, so that we will be monitored 24/7 and they'll have the freedom of which site to block and which not to. Art sites may probably be blocked in my country as well because of the nude content so my entire reasoning behind my usage of internet -which is to extend my shitty arts' availability and reach throughout the planet- is in danger.

That currently is my biggest concern as of now.

[All-thumbs]

I voted for education. I always feel really depressed seeing kids dropout, and get stuck doing dead-end jobs. I myself dropped out of school for a while, after my mom got terminal cancer. I just didn't want to go on doing anything. After awhile with the help of my sister I moved on, and went to college. I was so happy to be given a chance to complete my program, and right now I do lab assist work, which makes me happy, and I find it kind of relaxing. I've been thinking of heading back to college, or university again sometime for another program. I like the atmosphere of being in school. I'd love to see more opportunities for people to get a good education, or help to continue on to other things of their choice.

[GuruGuru214]

For the record, those last two poll options totally weren't added by me.

[Alcoremortis]

For the record, those last two poll options totally weren't added by me.

Of course they weren't. We've already determined that you would never edit a poll without the consent of the creator. :p



As an addendum: I frankly find the added poll options hilarious and would like to formally congratulate whoever put them in, whoever it is. Just to make things clear that I am in no way making unkind jabs at anybody. Well...uh...yeah. Let's just leave it at anybody.

[samusaran253]

My government will change the internet usage policy this summer, so that we will be monitored 24/7 and they'll have the freedom of which site to block and which not to. Art sites may probably be blocked in my country as well because of the nude content so my entire reasoning behind my usage of internet -which is to extend my shitty arts' availability and reach throughout the planet- is in danger.

That currently is my biggest concern as of now.

Imagine how much easier it would be to resist if you had guns...but oh well, looks like you'll just have to go up against tanks and riot police with your bare hands, have fun with that.

[Alcoremortis]

Imagine how much easier it would be to resist if you had guns...but oh well, looks like you'll just have to go up against tanks and riot police with your bare hands, have fun with that.

Because it would totally be advisable to go up against a tank with a handgun.

[doodinthemood]

My government will change the internet usage policy this summer, so that we will be monitored 24/7 and they'll have the freedom of which site to block and which not to. Art sites may probably be blocked in my country as well because of the nude content so my entire reasoning behind my usage of internet -which is to extend my shitty arts' availability and reach throughout the planet- is in danger.

That currently is my biggest concern as of now.

UK government was going to start censoring internet porn in December (we've already banned bestial porn, certain S&M porn, role-playing as corpses or children, and cartoon child porn) but then all the news about it stopped, so I don't know if the plan was suddenly dropped or what.

[Falanca]

UK government was going to start censoring internet porn in December (we've already banned bestial porn, certain S&M porn, role-playing as corpses or children, and cartoon child porn) but then all the news about it stopped, so I don't know if the plan was suddenly dropped or what.

This would be OK, but people here are talking about the banning of the social sites that gathers young audience (which are all based on dictionary templates instead of forums, for some reason, I always find it inconvenient) because personal harsh insults (which is, in all actuality, free speech) and illegal file sharing (also happens through msn live) ensue in such places the most. One of such dictionaries already got a warning because of the artistic nude content (completely non-porn).

[coolsome]

Because it would totally be advisable to go up against a tank with a handgun.

Solid Snake could!

[lombre]

Because it would totally be advisable to go up against a tank with a handgun.

If Jesus can single-handedly troll all them Jews, I can take on a tank with a handgun. :p

[Alcoremortis]

Solid Snake could!

This is a valid consideration. Now the real question is: Is Falanca actually Solid Snake in disguise?

If Jesus can single-handedly troll all them Jews, I can take on a tank with a handgun. :p

Let's test this with SCIENCE! The Cave Johnson way!

A tank will be at your front door tomorrow. BYOG (Bring Your Own Gun).

[Ribs]

Wait, you banned Samus? If it's impolite, but thank goodness. I found his posts against the expected variety and too politically based for posting on a forum basically formed to discuss the magical adventures of a talking dog and rabbit who solve crimes.

[Alcoremortis]

Wait, you banned Samus? If it's impolite, but thank goodness. I found his posts against the expected variety and too politically based for posting on a forum basically formed to discuss the magical adventures of a talking dog and rabbit who solve crimes.

What? He never answered any of my extremely pertinent questions! I guess I'll have to go get my own data now. Work work work.

[Klatuu]

...I can take on a tank with a handgun. :p

Handgun, schmandgun. Anyone who's played CivIII knows a spearman can defeat a tank.

[Alcoremortis]

Handgun, schmandgun. Anyone who's played CivIII knows a spearman can defeat a tank.

I didn't know that! We need a new topic on the poll about spear control laws, stat!

[lombre]

Let's test this with SCIENCE! The Cave Johnson way!

A tank will be at your front door tomorrow. BYOG (Bring Your Own Gun).
My territory, eh? All the better for me. Maybe I'll even invite the driver in for orange slices after I finish killing his face!

[Alcoremortis]

My territory, eh? All the better for me. Maybe I'll even invite the driver in for orange slices after I finish killing his face!

It's the only way to do things. In a civilized manner. Because nothing gets more civilized than orange slices.

[lombre]

It's the only way to do things. In a civilized manner. Because nothing gets more civilized than orange slices.
Lack of Orange Slice Appreciation, now there's an issue I can get behind!

[Alcoremortis]

Lack of Orange Slice Appreciation, now there's an issue I can get behind!

Now, I want oranges! Also, Orange Slice Appreciation should definitely be added to the poll.

[doodinthemood]

Samus is banned? He seemed ok. I'm guessing there's something behind the scenes. :(

[Alcoremortis]

Samus is banned? He seemed ok. I'm guessing there's something behind the scenes. :(

Actually, we have to question if he is, in fact, actually banned or if he just changed his custom user title and deleted his avatar in an effort to get people to rage against the mods again.

I'm on to you, Samus!

[GuruGuru214]

He's banned. Two weeks for abusive behavior. The political topics had nothing to do with it. Now please get this thread back on topic.

[doodinthemood]

Interesting how nobody's gone for immigration. Only a year ago now it was the dominant issue in UK politics.

[Alcoremortis]

Interesting how nobody's gone for immigration. Only a year ago now it was the dominant issue in UK politics.

I think it's more that there are so many issues on the board, it's really hard to choose just one. Personally, my interest in the subject is more related to illegal immigration because that's a huge issue in California that is constantly being swept under the carpet until it becomes an unsightly bulge.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

I went for education. It was a tough choice, there are a lot of serious issues on there that need to be addressed but as a nation (and I just mean the US here) we need to get smarter to do it. We need more scientists and mathematicians.

I'm especially worried about the energy crisis and out dependency on oil. Oil is the most precious national resource on the planet. We run out country on it and fight wars over it. It has the power to make nations like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela richer and more powerful than they could possibly be without it. But the public is slowly losing its taste for it and the resource itself is not unlimited. Our country needs to get really smart really fast so that we can come up with the next big thing. Whichever country figures out what to replace oil with and how to do it will pretty much hold the keys to the world, and if it isn't us or one of our allies, it'll be China and that would be bad.

I also think gay rights is a very important issue but thankfully, in this country anyway, I think that debate has finally started to turn the corner. It seems like with the repeal of DADT and with more states allowing gay marriage every year, the war has been decided and the opposing side is only fighting desperate skirmishes before their eventual surrender. It'll be long and slow but we'll get to equality eventually. Progress has always been a liberal idea.

Personally, I also have serious problems with islamophobia but that one's not on this list. :p

[skeeter]

Now I'm not sure whether places like Australia and the UK have a greater proportion of clever people interested in medicine, or just dumber doctors. :p

Can I vote for clever? Because I am scared of the other option... :eek:

[Cockerel]

I voted for none of the above, as I don't see many issues that concern us chickens. Where's the option for seed-aid, or a proposed take down of the Colonel and his evil regime? I sometimes wonder if both chicken and man have an equel rights on this forum.

My cluck shall be heard!

If that's not moo forward of me?

[Mr. Fox]

I voted for Illegal Immigration.

What! You didn't think us foxes could be racist.

Its just nature man.

I don't want any damn immigrants stealing MY chickens!

[BlankCanvasDJ]

I voted for none of the above, as I don't see many issues that concern us chickens. Where's the option for seed-aid, or a proposed take down of the Colonel and his evil regime? I sometimes wonder whatever both chicken and man have an equel rights on this forum.

I'm curious - do white and black chickens get equal treatment in chicken society?

[Cockerel]

I'm curious - do white and black chickens get equal treatment in chicken society?

Oh, absolutely. There's still a few crusty old racist relics around like Ol' White Henry Clucker III but by and large, we are an enlightened brood, us chickens. I guess a big shift in attitude occurred when that grand old black hen Rosa Pecks refused to give up her spot on the back of a farmer's truck.

[Mr. Fox]

Oh, absolutely. There's still a few crusty old racist relics around like Ol' White Henry Clucker III but by and large, we are an enlightened brood, us chickens. I guess a big shift in attitude occurred when that grand old black hen Rosa Pecks refused to give up her spot on the back of a farmer's truck.

Ha! You chickens are the same!
Bunch of hypocrites!
I bet it would all fall apart if one type of chicken was treated better than the other types.
Hmmm... interesting...

Could be worth a look into that....

[Vainamoinen]

I'm not sure animal impersonators should get an extra vote here, Mr. Retrovortex Fox and Mr. Davies Cockerel. However, when you're done playing, would you just throw these disguises in the trash? It's just that I don't have to tear them down then. ;)

[Mr. Fox]

I'm not sure animal impersonators should get an extra vote here, Mr. Retrovortex Fox and Mr. Davies Cockerel. However, when you're done playing, would you just throw these disguises in the trash? It's just that I don't have to tear them down then. ;)

Damn! Rumbled.

Well this persona can be recycled give me a minuite....

EDIT: AHA! Here we go!

[Cockerel]

I'm not sure animal impersonators should get an extra vote here, Mr. Retrovortex Fox and Mr. Davies Cockerel. However, when you're done playing, would you just throw these disguises in the trash? It's just that I don't have to tear them down then. ;)

I know not of this Davies of whom you speak my good fellow...

...but if I happen to come across him per chance then I shall be sure to pass the message on.