Ending Discussion (SPOILERS)

[josephmatt]

For those who've beaten the game...

What happened to the other missing people? Astronauts get them? Gone crazy by the lunacy ray?

Also, Puzzle Agent 3 in Bermuda? Any get a picture of that postcard so we can see if there is anything weird about it?

[Soultaker]

Astronauts got them is the right theory according to Jake in the review thread.

[Cheri]

I don't have a screenshot of the postcard, but before Nelson puts the box on top of it, you can see in the trees, a skeleton wearing a business suit.

[zidanemar]

I'm confused as to why it didn't explain what happened to the astronauts? who they were? who was the astronaut contacting nelson? what happened to the missing people and why where they being taken?

[Ash735]

I have to admit, the pacing was going very well until like the last 1/4 where it started sprinting instead and came off as rushed without explaining many things.

My big question is:
So Nelson goes against orders after being warned to stay away and continues his way to destroy the lunacy beam, we assume he must have assaulted some FBI agents in the process to get back to the site in that whacked out dream, etc, and then of course going mad and eventually destroying the beam by throwing it in the lake.

....And then he's just back in his office as if everything is normal???? Glori and Issac are now on Holiday and Nelson is just back to work as normal? It felt like there was a scene missing, why was he allowed back to his job after going against everything the FBI said??

[Blind Sniper]

I've heard this game has two separate endings similar to the Devil's Playhouse. I assume the endings are triggered by either winning or losing the last puzzle where Nelson is running to the lake.

[DrRocketGenius]

I don't think you can actually lose that puzzle, though.

[Blind Sniper]

I know you can't lose it, but when I was playing I had failed to make three matches in time (playing in free play afterwards gives you unlimited time to make three matches) after five turns and the puzzle stopped and went to the next cutscene. I think it's reasonable to assume that's where the two endings come into play.

Edit: In free play, winning or losing the puzzle doesn't show you the alternate ending. Winning takes you back to free play, and as I said you have unlimited time so you can't lose after five tries.

[Soultaker]

Yes, but they are only slightly different. Both involve dumping the lunar ray emitter in the lake, and both feature the sasquatch.

[Cheri]

So, wait, I solved that puzzle in time, whereas my friend didn't, but it seemed like we both got pretty much the same scene. What's the difference in 'em?

[Soultaker]

If you finish in time Agent Tethers throws the emitter on the lake, and then the sasquatch roars to break the ice. I'm less sure about what happened when you don't finish in time, but I think it's something like Tethers dropping the emitter in the snow, and the sasquatch picking it up and dunking it in the lake or something to that effect.

In either case the day is saved, so there isn't a material difference. Just a slightly different cutscene.

[Javi-Wan Kenobi]

Actually, I did lose the minigame (either I didn't understood what to do, or how to do it, or both), and got the second ending Soultaker said (Nelson trips over a tree branch and drops the emitter in the snow, then Chewbacca picks it and throw it in the lake)

[SuperMeatBoy]

Actually, I did lose the minigame (either I didn't understood what to do, or how to do it, or both), and got the second ending Soultaker said (Nelson trips over a tree branch and drops the emitter in the snow, then Chewbacca picks it and throw it in the lake)

Is that the only difference or does something differ in the final scene (at the office)?

[Javi-Wan Kenobi]

Is that the only difference or does something differ in the final scene (at the office)?
I don't really know. Tomorrow I'll replay the whole game to get better results
(and unlock "King's Challenge") and get the other ending by wining the minigame. I'll tell you then.

[Soultaker]

I didn't notice any difference at all, except maybe that completing the challenge is required to unlock the King's Challenge. Still not sure what the exact preconditions for that one are.

[Mirko]

I don't have a screenshot of the postcard, but before Nelson puts the box on top of it, you can see in the trees, a skeleton wearing a business suit.

Somehow this reminded me of Lost and Half Life.

[Lloydstudios]

so,i played a second time,and looked VERY CLOSE at the card,and when you look at the right side of the card,you can see someone in the bushes.If you ask me,i would say,it looks ALOT like principal skeleton! i will try to maybe make a screenshot,to proove if its really that,or if my eyes are playing tricks on me ;)

[puzzlebox]

:)

http://i.imgur.com/7KxTE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fUZj2.jpg

[SuperMeatBoy]

:)

http://i.imgur.com/7KxTE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fUZj2.jpg

I replayed Lunar Run after i completed the game and instead of Nelson i was playing as this skeleton :eek:

[puzzlebox]

I replayed Lunar Run after i completed the game and instead of Nelson i was playing as this skeleton :eek:

Wow, really? How did you do that? I've completed everything except the King's Challenge, and it's still just Nelson and his oven mitt.

My first thought when I saw that figure in the bushes was that it was one of the Silents (http://www.digitalspy.com/cult/s7/doctor-who/i343068/doctor-who-s06e01-the-impossible-astronaut-a-silent.html) from Doctor Who. :p

[MissStabby]

The ending actually came quite unexpected to me,
i was actually expecting to be around 75 to 80% of the game when Nelson got sent back to his office.

Also i was quite stumbled on how, one moment nelson was getting talked to by gnomes and the next moment floating in space and after that appearing near the lunar lander being held at gunpoint by all the other agents.
Why doesnt that "prevent" him from solving the puzzle, like the last time he opened the puzzlecircuit. Does his underpaints contain kevlar?

On another note, is it just me, or are there way too many slidepuzzles compared to the other types?

[jmitchell]

Got to admit I was very disappointed with the ending and PA2 in general. Like others said it was just all over the place and unlike the first one the ending wasn't interesting at all. At least the first one had something happen, this one you just look at a post card and you're done.

[josephmatt]

:)

http://i.imgur.com/7KxTE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fUZj2.jpg

Hmmm.... that looks familiar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dok0rJSo8ug&feature=channel_video_title

[Lloydstudios]

Hmmm.... that looks familiar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dok0rJSo8ug&feature=channel_video_title

exactly what i was thinking :D

would be awesome to see another classic grickle creation in a possible next installement!!!!!

[SuperMeatBoy]

Wow, really? How did you do that? I've completed everything except the King's Challenge, and it's still just Nelson and his oven mitt.

My first thought when I saw that figure in the bushes was that it was one of the Silents (http://www.digitalspy.com/cult/s7/doctor-who/i343068/doctor-who-s06e01-the-impossible-astronaut-a-silent.html) from Doctor Who. :p

After you have completed the game, if you play Lunar Run for 3 times, the character gets switched.

First it's just Nelson, then the skeleton, then some weird caveman and lastly a cow.. then it loops.

[DAISHI]

Picture of the caveman:

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/40937/module_gallery/original/162367.jpg

[Gibbeynator]

:)

http://i.imgur.com/7KxTE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fUZj2.jpg

Actually, I think he looks more like him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyjKCzyU21k&feature=related)... which would explain quite a LOT.

[Nagaoka]

Now the skeleton is weird, but what gets me wondering is the capitol building (I assume) in the back there. Doesn't seem like Nelson and the Davners are too far away from each other.



Also, this has been bugging me like crazy. What's with Glori in this game? First game she claims that "the Hidden People need Isaac" (and how proud she was of him), to the point where she tries to murder Nelson to keep him from interfering. Puzzle Agent 2 comes along and Glori scoffs at Nelson for believing in the Hidden People, and believes the Brotherhood was just doing something that would help Isaac get over his "troubles" or whatever it was.

Eh? Did I miss something?

[Ignatius]

Nope.
Or yes, we all miss something. It's clear that the devs changed their original idea. Also the photo of the brotherwood, looking all happy and suggesting they have some history together, makes little sense with the explanations she gives later in this game.

All the story in general feels untidy and a bit rushed.

[DAISHI]

Now the skeleton is weird, but what gets me wondering is the capitol building (I assume) in the back there. Doesn't seem like Nelson and the Davners are too far away from each other.



Also, this has been bugging me like crazy. What's with Glori in this game? First game she claims that "the Hidden People need Isaac" (and how proud she was of him), to the point where she tries to murder Nelson to keep him from interfering. Puzzle Agent 2 comes along and Glori scoffs at Nelson for believing in the Hidden People, and believes the Brotherhood was just doing something that would help Isaac get over his "troubles" or whatever it was.

Eh? Did I miss something?

I think the building is really just a type of colonial-style architecture found throughout the west.

[Nagaoka]

Nope.
Or yes, we all miss something. It's clear that the devs changed their original idea. Also the photo of the brotherwood, looking all happy and suggesting they have some history together, makes little sense with the explanations she gives later in this game.

All the story in general feels untidy and a bit rushed.

Yeah I remember thinking about the photo as well. I think it would have been less jarring if the discrepancy had at least been acknowledged. Nelson brings up the inconsistency and Glori doesn't remember a thing about trying to kill him. Hey maybe that was all in Nelson's head too?

Otherwise we get Nelson just taking at face value Glori's explanation that she took a chainsaw to the lake to try and drown him because she didn't want him interfering with her husband's therapy session. Oooookay.

I think the building is really just a type of colonial-style architecture found throughout the west.

Since you mention colonial architecture I'm guessing you mean the colonies in the U.S? The colonies were all along the east coast, so historical american colonial/Georgian-style buildings are mainly located there (live in Virginia, PLENTY of field trips involving Williamsburg, Monticello, Mt Vernon, etc. as a kid). The neoclassical all-white domed building is the iconic look for the Capitol though (and the architecture around DC is also mainly neoclassical) and Bermuda seems to have its own rather distinctive architecture.

If you're talking about something completely different, then I apologize XD.


Though looking through google for domed buildings there is ANOTHER capitol building it could be. The Minnesota State Capitol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Capitol

[mistheart]

I found out if you keep playing the lunar run there are 4 different playable characters.

1. Nelson Tethers
2. Princible Skeleton
3. Dank
4. Random Cow (yes really)

[IsaacDavner]

Seriously?

Do you have to start the game over or just play in Free Play?

[Nagaoka]

Seriously?

Do you have to start the game over or just play in Free Play?

Just in Free Play (not sure if your rank and whether you successfully completed the Lunar Run on the first try is important)

[DAISHI]

I found out if you keep playing the lunar run there are 4 different playable characters.

1. Nelson Tethers
2. Princible Skeleton
3. Dank
4. Random Cow (yes really)

Picture of the caveman:

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/40937/module_gallery/original/162367.jpg
Hur hur

[DAISHI]

Yeah I remember thinking about the photo as well. I think it would have been less jarring if the discrepancy had at least been acknowledged. Nelson brings up the inconsistency and Glori doesn't remember a thing about trying to kill him. Hey maybe that was all in Nelson's head too?

Otherwise we get Nelson just taking at face value Glori's explanation that she took a chainsaw to the lake to try and drown him because she didn't want him interfering with her husband's therapy session. Oooookay.



Since you mention colonial architecture I'm guessing you mean the colonies in the U.S? The colonies were all along the east coast, so historical american colonial/Georgian-style buildings are mainly located there (live in Virginia, PLENTY of field trips involving Williamsburg, Monticello, Mt Vernon, etc. as a kid). The neoclassical all-white domed building is the iconic look for the Capitol though (and the architecture around DC is also mainly neoclassical) and Bermuda seems to have its own rather distinctive architecture.

If you're talking about something completely different, then I apologize XD.


Though looking through google for domed buildings there is ANOTHER capitol building it could be. The Minnesota State Capitol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_State_Capitol

No you're right that the dome is pretty synonymous with the U.S. Capitol. There are just some older plantation structures in Bermuda that have some resemblance to the Georgian style with derivations, since that style didn't catch on as strongly in Bermuda. That said, as I think about what you're saying and what I said, in retrospect I think you're more right than I am. The dome is odd for Bermuda and really evokes the capitol more strongly that anything around Bermuda.

[mistheart]

Maybe being that there is a dank model in PA2 means that there is a dank/dunk game coming?

[Ignatius]

I belive that Dank model was created a long time ago, i recall seeing it somewhere, in a Telltale panel, one of those "create a scene with telltale" maybe.

[homsar8]

Speaking of other Grickle characters, was I the only one who saw and heard spacewolf during the space scene? Was it involved in the story somehow or was it just a sight gag?

[WytPony]

For those who are probably still wondering, the other missing people were never taken by the Hidden People but were murdered by the astronauts who have gone crazy due to the lunar ray as mentioned by Ed/Isaac. The only one taken by the hidden people was Isaac Davner since they wanted to get rid of the lunar ray and the lunar lander as well so they can go back home and since he himself was one of the astronautsl...He was probably very scared of the people in the first place which is why he probably locked himself up in the factory.

[Langinger]

Speaking of other Grickle characters, was I the only one who saw and heard spacewolf during the space scene? Was it involved in the story somehow or was it just a sight gag?

I saw the space wolf, too. But I think the many "side" gags of other grickle characters at the end of the plot was a little bit too much and confusing.

:confused::confused:

[MusicallyInspired]

The only thing I still don't understand is how did Tethers recognize the song (and where did it come from to begin with?) that was played on the astronomer's tape recorder as something he heard when one of The Hidden People was whispering in that guy's ear in the alley outside the inn.

[BaldPirate]

Dunno if this was already mentioned but the song played to call the hidden people come from here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkUZFV8g0YE&feature=relmfu

[Holywhippet]

I kind of wonder if Tethers might try to go back and hook up with Korka at some point in the future. He took off thinking she was some kind of nutcase, but she was entirely correct about Bigfoot existing - it's unclear if human/bigfoot hybrids exist though.

[Scrummy64]

This is what I was able to make of it:

Olav Welhaven was able to summon the Hidden People using a melody so that he could study them; from doing so, he was able to create a formula showing the link between insanity and the phases of the moon. Olav sends his findings to NASA and other organisations, who then conduct the secret Hermes II operation in which Ed Davis and several other astronauts are ordered to plant a 'lunar ray' on the surface of the Moon. However, the mission goes awry when two of the astronauts are caught in a lunar eclipse, causing them to go completely insane. As a result, the Hermes II team flee with the ray still attached to the lander, and they crash land in Scoggins, right on top of the Hidden People's home. The lunar ray forms a barrier around the area, forcing the Hidden People away and into Sasimy Woods. Ed Davis, who had managed to escape from the crashed lander with both his life and sanity, forged the new identity of Isaac Davner in order to leave his past behind and start a new life, allowing him to live peacefully for some time by heading the eraser factory and settling down with Glori. However, Isaac begins to experience nightmares in which he is contacted by the astronauts, who are trying to tell him something. Bjorn, leader of the Brotherhood, offers to take Isaac in so that they can cure him, but the Hidden People are aware that he was involved in the Hermes II operation and so they 'choose' him, prompting the Brotherhood to lock him inside the eraser factory so that nobody can intervene with the Hidden People's plans. In response to Isaac's disappearance, Nelson Tethers of the FBI is dispatched to work on the case after experiencing his own nightmare involving an astronaut. As Tethers begins to find out more about the strange goings-on in Scoggins, Glori, believing that Isaac is still in safe hands with the Brotherhood, attempts to sabotage him by drowning him in Lake Svenz, but he escapes and pursues her to the eraser factory, where he sees her feeding the Hidden People. After receiving a blow to the head while running from a group of Hidden People, Tethers experiences another dream in which he sees an insane Isaac inside some form of spacecraft (presumably the lander). He then awakens in the Brotherhood lodge and, after retrieving the key to the factory from Bjorn, is able to break in and find Isaac. However, the Hidden People rush in and steal Isaac away into the forest before Tethers can get him out. Isaac is taken to the crashed lander, and realises that the Hidden People want him to dispose of the lunar ray, but is unable to do so and flees back into the woods. Meanwhile, having apparently realised the connection between the Scoggins case and the Hermes II operation, the FBI marks the unresolved case as closed in an attempt to pull Tethers out of Scoggins before he learns too much. The astronauts in Sasimy Woods begin murdering people and using them as meat. Unable to let go of the mystery, Tethers returns to Scoggins to solve the case, at first receiving some hostility from Martha Garret, owner of Valda's Inn. Tethers soon experiences another astronaut nightmare. Once again, he works his way around Scoggins in an attempt to learn more about not only Isaac and the Hidden People, but also the increasing number of disappearing residents. Glori, who has lost her faith in the Brotherhood, decides to aid Tethers rather than opposing him, believing that Bjorn has been taking people for his own sinister purposes. However, it becomes apparent that neither Bjorn nor the Hidden People are behind the disappearances. Tethers comes across Olav's research cabin and shows its contents to Alfred Versteckt, who uses it to pinpoint the Hidden People's home - directly beneath the crashed lander. Tethers is attacked and sedated by the two lunatic astronauts, but wakes up in his bed the next morning. The FBI learns about Tethers' findings through Jim Ingraham, his colleague, and dispatch a large number of enigmatic agents (possibly the Men in Black) to 'clear up' Scoggins. Still working on the case despite being warned by Director Jennings to stay away, Tethers meets Isaac in the woods, who explains his story involving the Hermes II and the Hidden People and recruits Tethers to help him in investigating the lunar ray. However, the agents get to the lander first and prevent them from reaching the ray. Tethers receives a call from Ingraham and learns that Olav had been summoning the Hidden People; he heads back to the research cabin and conducts the same process. However, one of them whispers in his ear, causing him to go insane like many of the other Scoggins residents. He dreams that he is in space, surrounded by the Hidden People in the light of the Moon. He then awakens back at the lander and is able to sabotage the lunar ray before the agents can intervene, causing it to go haywire and turn some of the agents into lunatics. Tethers then rushes towards Lake Svenz with the ray while the Hidden People are finally able to return home. Tethers is assisted by the Sasquatch in sinking the ray, ending its reign of lunacy over Scoggins.

And then these are the things that I don't get:
Why did Tethers dream of the astronauts? Perhaps the dreams are induced by the lunar ray, but in that case why would the first dream come before he ever went to Scoggins? And what was it that the astronauts were trying to tell people in their dreams? Also, what was the purpose of the dream where Tethers met the insane Isaac in the spacecraft? After Isaac was taken back to the lander by the Hidden People, why did he decide to sit around in Sasimy Woods for ages rather than returning home to find Glori? Why did Martha Garret attempt to repel Tethers when he first returned to Scoggins? Regarding the melody that Olav used to summon the Hidden People, what did this have to do with Bo Murphy? When did he ever play the tune? After the astronauts sedated Tethers, why did he wake up back at Valda's Inn? Where did the astronauts go after the agents arrived? Were they arrested? Killed? And finally, the most important question, which consists of several smaller questions: what did space actually have to do with ANYTHING? Why did NASA attempt to plant the ray on the Moon in the first place? Was NASA actually attempting to do something to the Hidden People? If so, why wouldn't they just plant the ray in Scoggins, where it ended up anyway? Why did the ray cause people to go insane? Why did Tethers dream that he was in space after the Hidden People spoke to him? And how did he suddenly regain his sanity after sinking the ray, despite being turned insane by the Hidden People?