Ridley Scott's Prometheus (Alien Prequel) Thread

[Davies]

Four leaked photos from the set of Ridley Scott's upcoming film Prometheus (aka the prequel to Alien) have been leaked. Observe and worship the following slices of awesomeness...

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/cave-450x335.jpg
A cave of some sort. You may note that the walls have an H.R. Giger (the creator of the Alien creature) vibe to them. Also, please note that the tractor is not a part of a set but rather an asset of the production team.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-89Sf3vfyc0U/TfE4jnBl05I/AAAAAAAAB-c/KAefus33CC0/s1600/entrance.jpg
Mankind discovers an ancient doorway built by the mysterious Space Jockey race (whose skeletal remains were seen in the original Alien). Note the hieroglyphics surrounding the archway.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/prometheus_set3.jpg
This is the secondary arch, just beyond the entrance shown in the pervious photo. Note the scale of the set against the chair towards the lower portion of the photo, this set is fucking epic!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9Bd3Ji_VSfE/ThNBFycNzJI/AAAAAAAACDw/jBCtDZeXzAM/s320/prometheus_set_2.jpg
We're now through the second archway and standing in the main chamber. All three of the above photos are displaying one massive, glorious set. You may notice that we're certainly not in Kansas anymore, but inside the genius mind of H.R. Giger. The franchise hasn't looked this close to its source material since Ridley's original '79 masterpiece...

http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg
This is the Space Jockey set from the original Alien. It looks rather similar to the leaked photo above, yes?

[Ribs]

Heh, have they cut the 'aliens force two men to have sex as they think that's how people reproduce' scene that was in the early draft of the script yet?

[Davies]

Heh, have they cut the 'aliens force two men to have sex as they think that's how people reproduce' scene that was in the early draft of the script yet?

Actually, a fanboy emerged quite some time ago and confirmed that he had written the "Alien Harvest" script as a fan project. In short, it was never an official script. Therefore, there'll be no man-on-man rape action in Prometheus because it was never even considered by those involved within the production... thankfully.

[DAISHI]

I thought it was no longer attached to the Alien franchise.

[Irishmile]

I thought it was no longer attached to the Alien franchise.

Yeah... that is what I last read too... Seemed to me Scott just doesnt want to share credit with the other people responsible for Alien... So he was all like "this is a movie I totally thought up myself all by myself, feel free to still think its connected to Alien... as long as I do not have to share money or credit."

He didn't actually say that but its pretty much what I got from it. Seems like an asshole move to me.

[Johro]

O'bannon and Shusett didnt like each others scripts to begin with so who-chose-what ideas are still debated. Anyways, I personally think he pursued a different path partially because of what AVP and Sigourney Weaver did to the franchise(as much as I like her, most of the less popular ideas from 3 and Resurrection were hers). I say partially because I also think that the main reason was because he wanted to make it his own instead of a prequel to a franchise...he had an idea, pitched it as a prequel to a popular franchise, sold it, and did what he wanted after.

and by the way, Ridley doesnt have a writing credit even though he steered it. He isnt "sharing" writing credit because he doesn't even HAVE any(and thats the only credit anyone else from the previous films would have gotten. Character credit to be exact). It IS still being made by the Alien production company Brandywine and the studio owns a lot of the rights anyways. This is a wait and see deal for me. We'll see if it sucks.

[Davies]

Yeah... that is what I last read too... Seemed to me Scott just doesnt want to share credit with the other people responsible for Alien... So he was all like "this is a movie I totally thought up myself all by myself, feel free to still think its connected to Alien... as long as I do not have to share money or credit."

He didn't actually say that but its pretty much what I got from it. Seems like an asshole move to me.

Oh wow, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Here's the low down...

* Ridley Scott has toyed with the idea of returning to the Alien franchise with a prequel for decades now, but has always stated that he's been holding off for a decent script because he felt there was no point in going back to that universe unless there was a worthy tale to be told. Now that's what I call artistic integrity.

Also, he frequently has stated in the past that he felt a prequel was the only worthwhile direction to take the franchise in and that he had a concept that he'd like to pursue (i.e. the how's and why's of the Space Jockey).

* As far back as the earliest Laserdisc / DVD commentaries of Alien, Sir Scott has expressed his interest in exploring the backstory of the mysterious Space Jockey species and often showed his bemusement at the multiple sequel's failure to expand upon the fascinating and original potential that pursuing such an obvious avenue would offer.

* The Alien prequel is officially announced, with Carl Erik Rinsch (an understudy of Ridley's, hand picked by the man himself) set to direct, based off a script by Jon Spaights (with the overriding story coming from Ridley Scott). However, Fox decides that it's through fucking over it's once glorious franchise with crap like the AVP movies and are not willing to take any risks this time with a relatively unproven director and so they demand that either Ridley Scott directs it or there's no film at all.

* Ridley Scott is announced as director.

* With the release of the Alien Anthology on Blu-Ray, Ridley wrote a note to the customers of said boxset explaining his return to the Alien universe and his excitement at the prospect. These are his words...

"As I prepare to re-enter this world with my upcoming ALIEN prequel, watching ALIEN again on high definition Blu-ray has been both helpful and inspiring to me - a reminder of where we started and a guide to where we're going.

"I hope you enjoy what I have in store for you as we return to this dark, mysterious universe filled with Aliens, Space Jockeys and... something even more dangerous that you haven't even seen yet. Consider this [Blu-Ray set as] the ultimate primer for what's to come." - Ridley Scott

* Damon Lindelof comes on board to write a new draft of the script by Jon Spaights. Ridley releases a press release stating the following...

While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien’s DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn’t be more pleased to have found the singular tale I’d been searching for, and finally return to this genre that’s so close to my heart. - Ridley Scott

It has since transpired that Ridley was attempting to distance Prometheus from the previous Alien films because the story revolves around the Space Jockey race and isn't an Alien movie in the traditional sense (i.e. Xenomorpth(s) on the loose, group of humans try to survive the ordeal, resolution).

It was an attempt to preempt the often narrow minded expectations of the masses by denying the connection for the sake of the tweenies who love the AVP movies and have never even seen the original Alien (and thus have no knowledge of the Space Jockey race). Rest assured, Prometheus does take place within the established Alien universe and will almost certainly deal with our favourite acid spilling nightmare to some extent, although most likely in a different, non-human host form that we haven't seen before.

* Casting of the film takes place and filming begins.

* We start to hear interviews with the cast members, such as up-and-coming A-listers; Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace and Charlize Theron. The cast members gush over the film to be and confirm a still very much existent Alien connection. Here's a few choice cuts from Michael Fassbender, who is playing an android (with white blood no doubt) called David (also note that the droids in the Alien movies have been called, in order, Ash, Bishop, Call and now David)...

"I walk on the set and I feel like I’m walking on a spaceship. It’s breathtaking. All the various panels and screens, and it’s just dealing with a top-notch art department and carpenters and the riggers and everything that goes into putting that together. It’s just, well, breathtaking, all of it." - Michael Fassbender

"You won't be disappointed," [with Prometheus] "I remember when they said they were going to do another Alien, I just thought, ‘Where can you go with that?' Then they sent the script — I kept wondering, 'When is this going to get bad?' and it never did." - Michael Fassbender

“I’m a drooling Alien fan. Alien and Aliens, both of them. And Blade Runner, which I recently watched again. I’m really looking forward to stepping into a Ridley [Scott] sci-fi world. […] [T]he script by Damon Lindelof is really intelligent and has a nice pace to it. Plus, if I’m honest with you, I sort of approach my work as a fan. I’m a massive movie fan and I like to go on an adventure ride as much as I like to see something that has a bit of social commentary to it.” - Michael Fassbender

“It’s not ignoring Alien, there’s still a link to that world. But it’s a different story. It’s definitely connected, though.” - Michael Fassbender

* Damon Lindelof recently discussed the film's connection to Alien and the reasoning behind it's vagueness (which actually makes a lot of sense and such wisdom could have saved us from the god awful Star Wars prequels)...

“It started as an Alien prequel. That is what everybody wanted it to be … But there is a real issue which is — what is the state of the Alien franchise at this point in our lives? There has been Alien vs. Predator and all these things, and its been completely and totally diluted. I’ve always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, “Luke, I am your father”, by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise?”

“Show me something else which I can’t guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability. So a true prequel should essentially precede the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters , have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be.”

“I also do feel that [Prometheus] is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, [it] takes place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love… but its sorta like, we’ve seen it before, can we do something different this time? And thats the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you’re working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way.” - Damon Lindelof


So [Ridley Scott] was all like "this is a movie I totally thought up myself all by myself, feel free to still think its connected to Alien... as long as I do not have to share money or credit."

He didn't actually say that but its pretty much what I got from it. Seems like an asshole move to me.

You probably shouldn't insinuate that people are assholes without the facts. The original writers of Alien; Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett are getting credits on the film as well as payment (in the case of O'Bannon's unfortunate passing, the money has been confirmed as going to his wife, by herself no less).

Also, Ridley Scott has got the "father" of the Alien creature, the superb artist H.R. Giger to return as a consultant, designer and sculpture maker for Prometheus. Seeming as Giger previously left the franchise on very bad terms with Fox (due to the suits financially shafting him time and time again), it's no small potatoes that he's returning. Why is he returning? Because he has immense respect for Ridley Scott and equally Ridley Scott has immense respect for H.R. Giger.

On top of this, the original producers / co-writers of the Alien films, Walter Hill and David Giler have been paid and credited for Prometheus.

So, yeah... don't go bad mouthing folks when you're coming from a place of total ignorance.

[Johro]

I'm going to add that I wasn't intending to imply that Ridley was disguising his true vision for an alien sequel to deceive anybody....it just came out that way. I've had the day off and have been...indulging in adult pleasures and it just came out that way. It just sort of happened that way. I'm a die hard Alien fan and Davies is absolutely correct. I'm not heartbroken this project has chosen a different direction, but I am weary. I want it to stand on it's own within the universe as Ridley has been saying. Either link it or dont, I just dont want it to be seperate with a facehugger scurrying around at the credits.

[LuigiHann]

Very nice writeup, Davies. I read the Lindelof quote a few days ago. It's very promising. Very good vision for what a prequel should be. In fact, more sequels should be like that as well. When you've got such a big, interesting universe, why keep showing us the same tiny bits of it...

[Davies]

...I wasn't intending to imply that Ridley was disguising his true vision for an alien sequel to deceive anybody....it just came out that way... I'm not heartbroken this project has chosen a different direction, but I am weary. I want it to stand on it's own within the universe as Ridley has been saying. Either link it or dont, I just dont want it to be seperate with a facehugger scurrying around at the credits.

I agree with your thoughts. Although, I am curious as to whether you're happy with the concept of Prometheus being more about the Space Jockey race and less about the xenomorpth? By the way, why haven't us fans come up with a more suitable name than the vague and all encompassing "xenomorpth"?!

O'bannon and Shusett didnt like each others scripts to begin with so who-chose-what ideas are still debated.

Call me a nit-picking, cow udder suckling, know it all, baked beanie, pompous, stuffy old Zilla-Mite if you'd care to but I believe you meant to say...

Hill and Giler didn't like O'Bannon and Shusett's script to begin with so who-chose-what ideas are still debated.

...Davies is absolutely correct.

Hey, I'm always correct. Well, to be more accurate I'm mostly correct at night... mostly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HHb5OI-hFoA/Rav6IlJKs0I/AAAAAAAAAAw/OXlDfngtuXU/s400/booo.jpg
"Boooooo. I can't believe he did that tired old 'mostly' gag!"

I've had the day off and have been...indulging in adult pleasures...

http://wine-scamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/helenlovejoy.jpg

Very nice writeup, Davies.

Why, thank you kindly.

...more sequels should be like that as well. When you've got such a big, interesting universe, why keep showing us the same tiny bits of it...

Absol-freakin'-utely.

[Irishmile]

Yeah... I didn't read any of that... I'm sure you're right though :p

[Johro]

Yeah I meant Hill and Giler. *slaps self* can't believe I screwed that up.
I actually like the idea. The universe(and no, I obviously don't mind him expanding on it) needs something at this point. I'm sorry to say that Sigourney needed to go(or at least her creative control) and well I'm not so sorry to say that AVP threw too much garbage together. I do believe I can count on Scott to not have a "the end, or is it?" ending...it's the studio that I'm worried about. Anyone who has knowledge of what happened with the David Fincher incident should have the same fear. ...Just how much control does Ridley have? I do agree with Scott that the only direction the movies had was back. I don't recall if Resurrection had a date attached, but I think 3 was late 2100s or 3100s(It's been a while, I apologize for not having the dates on the top of my head at the moment, but I'm leaning towards 3100s). There's only so far ahead you can go before technology becomes a problem.

[Davies]

Yeah... I didn't read any of that... I'm sure you're right though :p

Hey, no worries. Allow me to summerise for you...

* I'm asolutely right and you're completely and utterly wrong... about everything in the world... ever.

* Ridley Scott is a genius and you are not. I, however, am an even greater genius than old Riddles himself and any other such puny mortal for that matter.

* 'Space Jockeys' are the favored choice of under-garment for the astronaut who likes style and comfort.

...that is all.

The universe(and no, I obviously don't mind him expanding on it) needs something at this point. I'm sorry to say that Sigourney needed to go(or at least her creative control) and well I'm not so sorry to say that AVP threw too much garbage together.

I couldn't agree more.

I do believe I can count on Scott to not have a "the end, or is it?" ending...it's the studio that I'm worried about. Anyone who has knowledge of what happened with the David Fincher incident should have the same fear. ...Just how much control does Ridley have?

A lot more control than David Fincher had on the set of Alien 3, that's for sure. You have to remember that Alien3 was Fincher's first feature length film (he had been directing music videos prior to that). When Ridley Scott directed Alien in '79 he had already made his first feature film (the superb "The Duellists").

It's also worth noting that Ridley is a strong personality and always has been. He doesn't back down to the man (i.e. the suits at the studio). Fox put immense pressure on Scott throughout the filming of Alien and attempted to interfere with his vision. However, Ridley stood his ground and insisted that it was done his way. He won the battle.

I don't have the exact quote to hand (I know it's on the Alien DVD's extras somewhere) but allow me to paraphrase...

"As a director you have to fight for your vision. The studio and perhaps the crew will question your decisions and attempt to forcibly influence you, but you absolutely must stand your ground. I wonder just how many directors cave in and end up not getting exactly what they were after." - Not the actual words of Ridley Scott but damn close all the same.

I don't recall if Resurrection had a date attached, but I think 3 was late 2100s or 3100s(It's been a while, I apologize for not having the dates on the top of my head at the moment, but I'm leaning towards 3100s).

Well, the first Alien never specified the year in which the film is set but the first draft of the script stated that it was set during 2087 (that might seem too soon considering the advanced tech seen in the film but you have to remember that Alien is canonically following on from the alternate future shown in Blade Runner - even if it was yet to be conceived of, where the investment in the space program never ceased up and mankind explored the farthest stars).

Aliens takes place 57 years on from the original, so that places us at 2144.

Alien3 took place only a couple of weeks on from the previous movie and so we're still in 2144.

Alien Resurrection took place approximately 200 years after the events of Alien3, which means that it's set around 2344. So you were only about 750 years off. :D

... but of course, Resurrection never happened in my mind. :p

[Johro]

Actually I was only ~30 off(if i went by my first "late 2100s" stance) I was stating from Alien3. :P

[Davies]

Actually I was only ~30 off(if i went by my first "late 2100s" stance) I was stating from Alien3. :P

Ah, yes. You are indeed correct. That'll teach me to properly read other peoples posts in the future (which ever year that may be).

[GuybrushWilco]

This movie might be good, but I'd rather see a new alien 3, that pretends the original alien 3 (and alien 4) never happened. Alien 3 really killed the franchise by being so terrible.

[Davies]

This movie might be good, but I'd rather see a new alien 3, that pretends the original alien 3 (and alien 4) never happened. Alien 3 really killed the franchise by being so terrible.

For the love of God, go and watch the assembly cut of Alien3 because it's fucking awesome, m'kay?

The assembly cut reinserts much of the cut content from the theatrical release, including the best part of the entire film; where the prisoners actually trap the alien midway through the film, only for Paul McGann's character (the "dragon" worshiping Golic) to slice the throat of the guarding prisoner and release his "God".

Also, the Alien itself is born from an Ox, as opposed to a dog. We also glimpse the "super-facehugger", which acts as carrier of the Queen's seed; hence why Ripley has a Queen chestburster inside her. There are many other alterations and edits, all of which make it a vastly superior film to the version you've most likely seen.

If, having watched the assembly cut (ideally on Blu-Ray, for which they brought back a few of the cast members to re-record certain dialogue and created a few new special effects) and you still think it's crap, then there really is no hope for you. Alien3: The Assembly Cut represents the true follow up to Ridley Scott's Alien, as opposed to James Cameron's action oriented Aliens (as great as it is).

[Ribs]

Paul McGann? What? *goes to find Alien 3*

[Irishmile]

Yeah Davies is right the re-cut Alien3 is pretty awesome.... I actually think Alien3 is more of a true sequel to the original... Its more of a slow build suspense/horror like the first one... where as Aliens and Alien 4 are more of a Action/Horror.. I really like them all .... I even like the AVP movies... not as much but I enjoyed them....

[Davies]

I actually think Alien3 is more of a true sequel to the original...

Precisely, that's why I said that. ;)

I even like the AVP movies... not as much but I enjoyed them....

That does it! GET OUT OF THIS FORUM RIGHT NOW!

j/k

... sorta. :p

Paul McGann? What? *goes to find Alien 3*

Indeed, Withnail's friend "I" is in Alien3 but be sure to watch the assembly cut, not just because it's great but because his best scenes were (insanely) cut from the theatrical version.

[tredlow]

Oh, I thought you were talking about these shorts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7yTGqgBOA).

[Secret Fawful]

Holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit I forgot Michael Fassbender is in this. That man is one of the most incredible actors working today and I will wankingly watch every thing he is in, even if he makes Tooth Fairy 2.

[GuybrushWilco]

I only saw the original cut of Alien 3, so I will take your advice and track down this new blu ray version. I must say though, that even if the other edit is superior, they still killed off Hicks, New before the movie even started, which really kind of ruins Aliens. They also killed off Bishop! but I'll give it a try anyway :).

[Davies]

I only saw the original cut of Alien 3, so I will take your advice and track down this new blu ray version. I must say though, that even if the other edit is superior, they still killed off Hicks, New before the movie even started, which really kind of ruins Aliens. They also killed off Bishop! but I'll give it a try anyway :).

I'm glad that you're going to check out the assembly cut, I hope you enjoy it. :)

Regarding Newt and Hicks, the story really demands that they were killed off as quickly as possible. Alien3 is a tale of redemption, sacrifice and faith. Thematically it deals heavily with life and death. The scene which shines this thematic beacon the brightest is the funeral speech by Dillon; dedicated to the aforementioned characters...

Why are the innocent punished? Why the sacrifice? Why the pain? There aren't any promises. Nothing's certain. Only that some get called, some get saved. She won't ever know the hardship and grief for those of us left behind. We commit these bodies to the void... with a glad heart. For within each seed, there is the promise of a flower. And within each death, no matter how small, there's always a new life. A new beginning. - Dillon, Alien3

Naturally, during this speech the films cuts back and forth between the funeral itself and the birth of the Alien from the ox. It's also worth noting the futile questions of "why" at the beggining of the Dillon's speech, this shows us that Alien3 is a film reflective of real life. In real life, you can strive to save someone and still lose them. In real life, things rarely go the way we would like them to. Only one thing is certain in real life; death and with each death, a new life.

James Cameron's Aliens was a blockbuster extravaganza. One of the finest action adventures ever committed to screen, in short; it's a classic of the genre it inhabits (which unlike Alien and Alien3, is not horror). It shows Ripley tortured by the events of the first film and by the loss of her daughter (although only in the special edition, which once again is the far superior version). It is however a "popcorn munching" flick, Ripley overcomes the loss of her daughter by saving Newt. She overcomes her fear of the xenomorpth by facing her literal demon and blowing it out of an airlock. The ending of Aliens is in no way true to life, it is pure happily-ever-after fantasy.

Alien3 represents a harsh crash back down to reality (or in this case, a penal colony). It is a dark, gritty and thoughtful film, which mirrors our own lives by asking questions that can never be answered and shows a life where bad things can happen to good people. The film also, through redemption, shows that hope and resilience will always spring eternal.

If you were to take the first three Alien films and lay them out, it is the second film which actually stands as the odd one out. Alien3 is the true spirtitual followup to the original masterpiece. Of course, that does not mean that you should necessarily favour Alien3 over Aliens (in fact, despite the fact that I personally prefer Alien3 over Aliens, I will concede that Aliens is a vastly more "polished" piece of work) but it should at the very least demonstrate the worthiness of Alien3's place in the franchise.

http://www.horrorexpress.com/images/alien3.jpg
Alien 3, the diamond in the rough of the series.

[Ribs]

http://www.movieposterdb.com/posters/09_12/1992/103644/l_103644_a2426dbd.jpg
Alien 3, the diamond in the rough of the series.

Wow, that poster sends shivers down my spine!

[doodo!]

WOW Davies , you really know these movies well.

[Davies]

One of the peeps over at my second favoured forum haunt (AVPGalaxy (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/)) has pointed out that the archway surrounding the door in one of the leaked set photos is a stylized design of a facehugger in its "attatched to a host's head" position. Observe...

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfrbyomwkE1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
For reference, here's a front on view of a facehugger.

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/prometheus_set3.jpg
It's body is at the top, centre and it's legs are wrapping around the sides down to the halfway point of the arch.

Just for kicks, here's the Queen embryo carrying "super-facehugger" from the assembly cut of Alien3....

http://assall.de/movie-prop/alien3/a3_21.jpg

WOW Davies , you really know these movies well.

Ridley Scott's Alien is my favourite film of all time and the following two sequels are certainly in my top 20. If I ever went on Mastermind, then the Alien films would undoubtedly be my specialist subject. I'm like a walking encyclopedia on acid spilling xenomorpths.

[DAISHI]

I never liked these movies too much, but I'll probably see this.

[Johro]

just a little something from AITH posted yesterday:

"Last week we saw a pair of cave-photos from the set of Ridley Scott's ALIEN-esque horror-show, PROMETHEUS...likely constructed on the famed Pinewood Studios in England. Well, news has come in today that Scott his moving his whole crew to that lovely bastion of summer getaways...Iceland!

Not only that, Scott had a few things to say regarding his highly-shrouded return to sci-fi. Peep it...

“If one is afraid of nature in this profession then it would be best to find a different job.”

That sounds like more of a Werner Herzog quote, but okay. More interestingly, Scott added:

“It will be 15 minutes in total, if all goes to plan. We are shooting the beginning of time.”

About the secrecy surrounding the production:

“There is a lot of innovative and new stuff in the film and it would be a shame to ruin that [surprise] with leaks.”

And regarding the ultimate reason to film in Iceland:

“It is possible to find similar landscapes elsewhere in the world,” Scott explained. “But here it is so rough and ‘Jurassic-like’ and that proved decisive. Iceland is a massively beautiful country.”

Coming June 8th of next year, visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery."

[Davies]

"“If one is afraid of nature in this profession then it would be best to find a different job".

That sounds like more of a Werner Herzog quote...

That quote's been taken out of context. It's Ridley's answer to a question regarding his fears about the recent warning that there may be volcanic eruptions during their filming in Iceland.

It's a reassuring quote that shows that Scott is still a filmmaker who likes to film on location and shoot everything in-camera whenever possible, as opposed to simply relying on CGI during the post-production process.

[Irishmile]

Yeah they are some of my all time favorite movies as well.

[Davies]

The first official still from Prometheus has been released. Footage is expected to follow (via Comic-Con) very soon...

http://i51.tinypic.com/301q77l.jpg

[Johro]

boom (http://collider.com/prometheus-comic-con/104058/)

[Davies]

Photos from the footage shown at Comic-Con have been leaked. They may be low quality but they do offer a tantalising glimpse of what's to come. Interestingly, these shots appear to have been taken from a cam-video, suggesting that the actual footage may be getting leaked soon.

[PHOTOS DELETED VIA FOX'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT]

... I have reuploaded the photos for you on page 3 of this thread.

[Johro]

Lookin' pretty good.

[Davies]

Two new set photos have been leaked...

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/prommy1.jpg
This first image shows that the objects seen in the silo are not eggs but in fact urns, believed to contain the mysterious green gloop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/Corpral_Hicks/prommy2.jpg
The second photo reveals some more Giger influenced set design.

Furthermore , closer examination of two of the screen grabs from the Comic-Con footage reveal something of interest...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_1.jpg
There is a large sculpture of what appears to be a human head in the silo. In the above shot, you can see this head from the back (with the ears to the left and right of the object).

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_14.jpg
Here you can see the head to the right of the shot (it's side on), with the nose being fairly prominent.

[Vainamoinen]

tinypic doesn't seem to be reliable... maybe try imageshack instead?

[Davies]

tinypic doesn't seem to be reliable... maybe try imageshack instead?

I'm seeing the images fine on my end. :confused:

[der_ketzer]

If you were to take the first three Alien films and lay them out, it is the second film which actually stands as the odd one out. Alien3 is the true spirtitual followup to the original masterpiece.

You just summarized in short why I hate Aliens and Love Alien³. Thanks.

[DAISHI]

I'm seeing the images fine on my end. :confused:

It's cached in your browser.

[Davies]

Here's the leaked photo's from Comic-Con, reuploaded for you, at great time and effort for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_32.jpg
Charlize Theron as the company suit with a dark secret.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_31.jpg
A silo containing urns which are reminiscent of the eggs from Alien.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_30.jpg
Micheal Fassbender as the android David.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707ca6a_29.jpg
Idris Elba.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_28.jpg
The crew firing handguns at something offscreen.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_27.jpg
Noomi Rapace performing naked situps and looking like Milla Jovovich from The Fifth Element.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_26.jpg
This is either a woman in great pain or experiencing tremendous pleasure. I'm willing to bet on the former.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_25.jpg
Charlize Theron as Vickers.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_24.jpg
Two crew members examining a specimen.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_23.jpg
A medical readout.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_22.jpg
Two vehicles and a lot of floodlights.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_21.jpg
Noomi Rapace falls to the floor due to the debilitating affects of long distance space travel.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_20.jpg
One of the crew wearing a Minority Report style glove.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_19.jpg
The ships medical room.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_18.jpg
A platform which is similar to that of the Space Jockey as seen in Alien, sans Mr. Jockey.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_17.jpg
Firing a flamethrower at something... could it be a xenomorpth?!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_16.jpg
Noomi Rapace looks on in astonishment.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_15.jpg
I'm willing to bet that this man is not yawning.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_14.jpg
A far away shot of the silo (with the giant head).

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_13.jpg
Noomi Rapace.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_12.jpg
'Did anyone else hear that?!'

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_11.jpg
Noomi Rapace lies in hypersleep.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_10.jpg
A crew member examines something upon the ground.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_9.jpg
A look at the newly designed hypersleep pods.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_8.jpg
Idris Elba sits in a area of the ship that is highly evocative of the Nostromo's bridge.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_7.jpg
I think it's fairly obvious which aspects of the film have been designed by Neville "Tron Legacy" Page.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_6.jpg
The mysterious green gloop contained within the urns.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_5.jpg
The interior of a vehicle.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_4.jpg
Micheal Fassbender looks curiously at a drop of blood upon his finger.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_3.jpg
A cave leading to a great discovery.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_2.jpg
A set that looks like a cleaner version of the Nostromo's airlock.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/AndyUK_1962/Prometheus/162b028d8fbacc707c6a_1.jpg
The silo, the urns and the giant head.

[Davies]

Below is a rundown of the known actors of Prometheus and the roles they are playing...

Noomi Rapace - Dr. Elizabeth Shaw
Michael Fassbender - David (android)
Charlize Theron - Meredith Vickers (company suit)
Rafe Spall - Yuri
Idris Elba - Jeremiah Janek (captain)
Sean Harris - Francis
Benedict Wong - Ravel
Logan Marshall Green - Rayden Holloway
Katie Dickie - Mudow
Emun Elliot - Chance
Guy Peace - Peter Weyland
Patrick Wilson - Elizabeth Shaw's Father
Ben Foster - Logan
Frank Kelly - Aldrich
Tal Berkovich - Siena
James Payton - Lettap
Tuppence Middleton - Tembrook

[Icedhope]

I honestly can't wait for this film.

[Davies]

I honestly can't wait for this film.

Maybe you should enter hypersleep to make the time fly-by.

[LuigiHann]

Maybe you should enter hypersleep to make the time fly-by.

I'm hesitant about that. I'm afraid I'd wake up dead

[Davies]

I'm hesitant about that. I'm afraid I'd wake up dead

... or 57 years later! ;)

[Secret Fawful]

Some new high quality images.
http://i.imgur.com/0cUad.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jx3zZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zqhAw.jpg

[Icedhope]

I'm actually looking forward it. Hopefully Ridley can pull of the same kind of Claustrophobic terror of Alien. I'm hoping for the best in this film.

[Shauntron]

I like knowing nothing about this. I shall perhaps avoid hype until I get a chance to see it :)

[Johro]

Is it just me, or do the faces in the first image look photoshopped in? anyway, I'm still excited for this. *shakes Shaun* BE EXCITED! BE EXCITED! AHHHHHHHH!

[Secret Fawful]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYGahwoZXk

Leaked trailer.

[Johro]

Is that real? Either it is and wasn't proofread, or it's a well done fake. (on my laptop; couldn't really tell)

edit: well enough sites are covering this that it looks real.

[WARP10CK]

Well some people seem to be sure that this is a Alien prequel now, but I am still not sure however if it is I don´t think it will be what people think. But am I excited ?? HELL YEAH :)

[Davies]

Well some people seem to be sure that this is a Alien prequel now, but I am still not sure however if it is I don´t think it will be what people think. But am I excited ?? HELL YEAH :)

Well, it depends on your definition of a prequel...

Will there be the Giger Alien as we know it? Nope, but we will see traces of the creature's DNA.

Is Prometheus set in the same universe as Alien? Absolutely, without a doubt. It's also likely to confirm that Blade Runner is a part of that universe too.

Will we see the Space Jockey species and the derelict craft from Alien? 100% positive. The leaked trailer confirms that (there are a few shots of a pre-derelict craft in flight and a very brief shot of the Space Jockey sat in the same chair as seen in Alien).

From my perspective; this is definitely a prequel to Alien. It's undoubtedly a film about the mysterious Space Jockey species.

[Secret Fawful]

Can't stop listening to the trailer music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=j2IfFUdy8Uw

[Davies]

Can't stop listening to the trailer music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=j2IfFUdy8Uw

Aye, it's rather tasty ain't it?:D

For those who aren't aware or still, for some insane reason, doubt Prometheus' link to Alien; listen to the soundtrack to Alien's trailer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HjwbnhVnDM

... more than a subtle nod, yes? Also note the way that both the title for Alien and Prometheus slowly unravels in exactly the same way in both trailers.

[WARP10CK]

Well, it depends on your definition of a prequel...

Will there be the Giger Alien as we know it? Nope, but we will see traces of the creature's DNA.

Is Prometheus set in the same universe as Alien? Absolutely, without a doubt. It's also likely to confirm that Blade Runner is a part of that universe too.

Will we see the Space Jockey species and the derelict craft from Alien? 100% positive. The leaked trailer confirms that (there are a few shots of a pre-derelict craft in flight and a very brief shot of the Space Jockey sat in the same chair as seen in Alien).

From my perspective; this is definitely a prequel to Alien. It's undoubtedly a film about the mysterious Space Jockey species.

Yeah if that´s the case that this is indeed about the the Space Jockey species then I am even more excited.

[Davies]

Yeah if that´s the case that this is indeed about the the Space Jockey species then I am even more excited.

It is. Fact. :)

[Davies]

Fox has released the hi-res versions of the previously seen stills from Prometheus.

Of particular note is the image below. Look towards the lower right and you'll spot a dead Space Jockey on the floor (it's legs and torso are visible). Further more, it appears that the two crew members (Noomi Rapace and Katie Dickie) are examining the head of the dead creature, was this Space Jockey decapitated? Also note the size of the creature; seeing one of these beings alive, towering over the human crew, is going to be stunning.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cik3mt.jpg

If you're have trouble seeing what I'm referring to, then click on the following link for a larger version of the image...

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PROM-001.jpg

Below are the remaining stills...

http://i40.tinypic.com/6znajr.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/j9a6pt.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/oa81hg.jpg

Here's a shot of Ridley Scott directing actress Noomi Rapace...

http://i43.tinypic.com/vyv4ev.jpg

[KorbenGoodkat]

Awesome!

[DAISHI]

It's also likely to confirm that Blade Runner is a part of that universe too.



Blasphemy and bullshit. Ridley can't touch Philip K. Dick.

[Davies]

Blasphemy and bullshit. Ridley can't touch Philip K. Dick.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, other than you're not a fan of Ridley Scott's adaptation of 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'. In which case, I'll respond with an altered quote from Ash in Alien...

You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? A perfect film. Its structural perfection is matched only by its aesthetic.

I can't lie to you about your taste in film, but... you have my sympathies.

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It may interest people to know that the official trailer for Pometheus has been submitted to the ratings board...

http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx

It's interesting to note that the trailer has received a rating of 14a, which hopefully bodes well for an R rating for the actual film (other trailers which are rated 14a usually receive an R rated final product). For people outside of the US, who don't understand what I'm talking about... R = 18 certificate.

The official trailer will be online next week, hopefully tomorrow (Monday).

================================================== ============================

Whilst we wait for the trailer; allow me to post some twerp's ramblings from the AVPGalaxy forum, regarding Prometheus...

Idk, the more pictures I see, the more I get convinced that this isn't gonna be the Alien prequel that I hoped for. It looks like a movie that is all about space jockeys and exploration rather than dark corridors and menacing xenomorphs.

We've already been inside the derelict space ship [in Ridley Scott's Alien] and it was slow and boring. I have a feeling this film is going to be a lot slower, maybe even as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey, and that it will be heavy on dialogue instead of action. That would be so boring.

This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead. Oh yeah, the jockeys are intelligent too so they will also probably talk so we will probably have to read subtitles for this movie too. Who wants any of that?

They should have just made Aliens: Colonial Marines [an upcoming videogame] into a full-fledged Alien film instead of this. Besides, Battlestar Gallactica was always better than Lost anyway.

What an intelligent fellow, hey? Here's a copy of the ultra sarcastic response that I posted...

Idk, the more pictures I see, the more I get convinced that this isn't gonna be the Alien prequel that I hoped for. It looks like a movie that is all about space jockeys and exploration rather than dark corridors and menacing xenomorphs. We've already been inside the derelict space ship [in Ridley Scott's Alien] and it was slow and boring.

Yeah, I agree. Exploring a strange alien derelict and finding the remains of a mysterious creature within is so boring. They should have entered the derelict and been confronted by a horde of vicious aliens and then the crew should have pulled out some guns and blew them away. Then the humans should have set a bomb on the derelict and run away, as a big explosion goes off. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling this film is going to be a lot slower, maybe even as slow as 2001: A Space Odyssey, and that it will be heavy on dialogue instead of action. That would be so boring.

Absolutely spot on. Real men don't communicate with words, they communicate with violence. Words are boring. :rolleyes:

This might be cool if Quentin Tarantino has written the movie but I think we're just gonna get a lot of regular science talk instead.

I couldn't agree more because Tarantino is the first name that comes to mind when I think; "who would be the ideal person to write an Alien film?". Also, I concur that having "science talk" in a science-fiction film is a daft concept indeed. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, the jockeys are intelligent too so they will also probably talk so we will probably have to read subtitles for this movie too.

Yep, reading subtitles is right up there with watching black & white films or reading a book; it's completely pointless and lame. It would be much better if the Space Jockeys just spoke in English, so that I could engage my brain as little as possible. :rolleyes:

They should have just made Aliens: Colonial Marines [an upcoming videogame] into a full-fledged Alien film instead of this.

Undoubtedly. I've always been of the opinion that any future sequels in the Alien franchise should be a remake of Aliens. Progression? Pfft, who wants that?! It would be so boring. :rolleyes:

Besides, Battlestar Gallactica was always better than Lost anyway.

Quite. Also, Clerks was always better than G.I. Jane. Therefore, I think that they should have hired Kevin Smith to direct Prometheus. :rolleyes:

Who wants any of that?

Probably people with good taste. The boring bastards

In summary: :rolleyes:

[DAISHI]

I just meant that Philip K Dick's universe is his. It's not Ridleys to integrate. Dick was an amazing sci fi writer whose creations should stand alone.

[Davies]

I just meant that Philip K Dick's universe is his. It's not Ridleys to integrate. Dick was an amazing sci fi writer whose creations should stand alone.

Oh, I see. I think it's best to view Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Blade Runner as seperate entities. Otherwise, prepare to be disappointed because Ridley has already gone on record as saying that he views Alien and Blade Runner as existing in the same universe.

There are rumours that, as well as Prometheus referencing Alien, via the Space Jockey and the Weylan(d) corporation, there will be references to Blade Runner (for example; perhaps Micheal Fassbender's android character, David will be confirmed as a Tyrell model).

On top of this, there's already a small reference to Alien in Blade Runner; the landing "purge" graphic displayed on Deckard's spinner monitor is the same as the one displayed on the monitor of the Nostromo, as it lands on Acheron/LV-426 in Alien.

Having said all of that, I can appreciate where you're coming from (especially after the Alien franchise got tainted with Predator). I'm just giving you fair warning, so that you're not too shocked/appalled come June the 8th. Mind you, any potential Blade Runner references are likely to be minor.

[LuigiHann]

I just meant that Philip K Dick's universe is his. It's not Ridleys to integrate. Dick was an amazing sci fi writer whose creations should stand alone.

Well, I'd imagine that Blade Runner takes place in a different universe from the original story anyway. If the Blade Runner universe happens to also be the Alien universe, so be it. And just because Alien has Blade Runner in its backstory doesn't necessarily mean that Blade Runner has Alien in its future. I suppose it just provides an interesting context for the sentient androids in the Alien films.

Also I absolutely love the way that Philip K Dick has written so many incredibly thought-provoking stories that get almost completely consistently translated into ridiculous action films. I can't remember if I've read any of the stories (man, I really should) but I definitely get the impression that there's a huge gap between films like Total Recall and Paycheck and the stories that they're based on.

[Davies]

There's still no sign of the official trailer but I'd wager that it'll be released before this weekend. However, the official poster has been unveiled...

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/promethesus-movie-poster-teaser-03.jpg

Notice that the framing and use of colour is a subtle nod to Alien's poster...

http://fiction.michaelatman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/alien-poster.jpg

It's also worth noting that the poster reveals Prometheus' composer; Marc Streitenfeld, whose previous credits include Ridley Scott's A Good Year, Body of Lies, American Gangster and Robin Hood. He's a bit of a disappointing choice in my book, as I find his scores to be very mediocre. Hopefully, the scope of Prometheus will help Streitenfeld to produce something a little more memorable.

[KingHorror]

Just saw this today, Teaser Trailer anyone http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215143p1.html

[Davies]

Just saw this today, Teaser Trailer anyone http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1215143p1.html

They're amazing but they are acting as a trailer for the proper teaser trailer! It's coming this Thursday. I can hardly wait.:D

[Johro]

I thought I heard it was in theatres(the teaser) yesterday from a co-worker who's a huge Alien fan. Now I see someone posted it...but FOX removed it before I saw it unfortunately. Guess I'll have to wait for the official unveiling unless someone else posts it.

[Ignatius]

I saw it, in not very good quality but good enough to see the awesome.
It's really really simmilar to the original trailer from the first Alien movie.

[Johro]

Okay, I've seen it now. It looks pretty great....and yeah... they borrowed heavily from the original ALIEN trailer for more than just the lettering. I can't wait.

Davies, if you felt the poster was a subtle nod, then the trailer is going to seem like they're slapping it in your face.

[DAISHI]

Where are the Predators :/

[Johro]

Official trailer posting. (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/)

[Shauntron]

Remember how earlier in the thread I said I was going to avoid all the trailers for this film?

I failed. And I'm very excited.

[Trenchfoot]

That looks spectacular! And quite similar to the original Alien trailer, but more with a modern touch...

2012 is shaping to be such a great year for blockbusters.

[DAISHI]

I'm not sure how much I should anticipate this. The first Alien was the only one I really thought was quality:

[Davies]

Davies, if you felt the poster was a subtle nod, then the trailer is going to seem like they're slapping it in your face.

Haha, it's certainly quite a pleasant slap to the face but I watched a bootleg of this trailer weeks ago. I am an Alien fanatic afterall! I would have posted a link for it at the time, but I felt it was best to let other people see it in HQ during the official release.

I'm not sure how much I should anticipate this. The first Alien was the only one I really thought was quality:

And who was that directed by?;):D

Where are the Predators :/

God, I prey that you're joking. Otherwise consider yourself on my ignore list. :p

[Johro]

I'm a huge fan as well. I just have patience lol.

[DAISHI]

If there are no Predators the movie will suck.

[Davies]

If there are no Predators the movie will suck.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Davies]

Here's a selection of screen-grabs from the teaser trailer...

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[DAISHI]

Obvious troll is obvious.

lol I'm gonna watch the movie. :p

[Davies]

lol I'm gonna watch the movie. :p

Haha... I know mate. I was just pointing out that I was aware that you were purposefully stirring.;)

[Johro]

Since this is somewhat an Alien thread, I thought I'd post this. A guy I know at work who went to school for make-up, practical and creature effects made this for me. It's actually really nice(my laptop webcam sucks though). Fully wearable prosthetic piece.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa240/PhenomenalRJL/IMG0025.jpg


EDIT: .....oh and.... a new still:

http://trekweb.com/images/stories/4f06a2c50fee9-1.jpg

[Davies]

It begins!

Oh boy, is this sweet! Due to Lindelof's involvement in the script to 'Prometheus', I suspected that we may get a viral marketing campaign similar to 'LOST'.

My suspicions were correct. Here is the first viral video, directed by Ridley Scott's son...

Peter Weyland delivers a speech at TED (Technology, Entertainment and Design) (http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/).

... Awesome, right? Just like the 'LOST' virals (and the 'Cloverfield' ones for that matter), it's highly unlikely that this footage will appear in the actual film. That's why I love viral marketing so much; even when you've watched the final film, all of the viral videos still have relevance and can help you to have a greater understanding of the events seen in the final film.

Some things I noticed during the viral:

* Obviously the man in this video is the founder of the Weyland Corporation, Peter Weyland (played by Guy Pearce). At some point during the period between 'Alien' and 'Aliens', Weyland Industries (British) will merge with the Yutani Company (Japanese) to form Weyland-Yutani. It's also worth noting that this revelation eliminates 'AVP' from the canon of the 'Alien' franchise... YEEEEESSS!

* The website set up for this viral campaign; Weyland Industries.com (https://www.weylandindustries.com/) mentions that this video from 2023 is a part of a celebration of 50 years of the Weyland Corporation. This most likely means that 'Prometheus' takes place in the year 2073 (the original 'Alien' takes place in 2122).

* They have some pretty cool camera technology in 2023. It's quite a logical, if not original concept; I'm sure you could get any camera angle you wanted using one of those hover-cams.

* Seeming as Guy Pearce is set to appear in the final film and this video is set 50 years prior to those events, I'm thinking that he'll be in old age makeup for 'Prometheus'.

* The following information on Peter Weyland is presented at the Weyland Industries website...

Peter Weyland has been a magnet for controversy since he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade.

Whether challenging the ethical boundaries of medicine with nanotechnology or going toe to toe with the Vatican itself on the issue of gene-therapy sterilization, Sir Peter prides himself on his motto, “If we can, we must.”

After a three year media blackout, Weyland has finally emerged to reveal where he’s heading next. Wherever that may be, we will most certainly want to follow.

What's the bet that "where he’s heading next" is on board the spacecraft named the "Prometheus", to explore the origins of mankind? I'd say it's pretty bloody likely.

[Johro]

Awesome. Damn, I really can't wait.

[DAISHI]

My favorite picture is the one of the boobs and Dallas Star.

[Davies]

Awesome. Damn, I really can't wait.

You and me both, brother. When Guy Pearce said his name is Peter Weyland, I punched the air in excitement.

By the way, check out the pictures at the top of this page and look for the one with Noomi bloodied up and wrapped in bandages, collapsing to the floor (it's the twelfth picture up from the bottom). In the background of that shot, there are three men, one of those men is old and in a wheelchair. Can you guess who that is? I'm 80% sure that's Peter Freakin' Weyland, 50 years after making that speech. So cool!

My favorite picture is the one of the boobs and Dallas Star.

Heh. Yeah, I noticed that too. The hosting site must have replaced the original picture with it. I'm not going to change it though because it's kind of amusing.

[taumel]

What are people doing exactly when they can't wait? How should i imagine this?

I'm looking forward to the movie as well and hope they won't make it a PG-13 rating cut.

[RetroVortex]

Okay I after watching the trailer I am also looking forward to watching this.

Looks like it could be a cinematic masterpiece, (somewhat of a rarity these days).

Got my Alien Anthology Blu Ray boxset to watch in preperation! :D

[Davies]

I'm looking forward to the movie as well and hope they won't make it a PG-13 rating cut.

Unfortunately, there's a good chance that Fox will insist upon a PG-13 cut of the film for it's theatrical release.

However, Ridley Scott has confirmed that he's shot both PG-13 and R rated takes of many scenes. Ridley Scott is well known for releasing his un-tampered vision on DVD/Blu-Ray via a director's cut.

In short, the most likely scenario is:

Theatrical - PG13

DVD/BLU-RAY - R (more explicate violence and extended scenes)

I actually think that it's a fairly good compromise and should actually heighten the anticipation for the home release, once having seen 'Prometheus' at the cinema.

[DAISHI]

See I don't need explicit violence per se, just want to know if the story is good.

[Davies]

See I don't need explicit violence per se, just want to know if the story is good.

Oh absolutely. I wasn't for a moment suggesting that violence in of itself makes the film. Rather, I was saying that Ridley's true vision for the film would most likely come in as being R rated.

For example, the chest-bursting scene in 'Alien'; that's not gratuitous, it serves the story and is one of the most iconic and shocking moments in the history of cinema. It also wouldn't be allowed in a PG-13.

Therefore, sometimes an R rating is necessary in order to realise the full potential of a story on screen.

[taumel]

If it turns out this way then i'll wait for the R rated material. Maybe they'll offer two versions, the $ version at the afternoon and the true film in the evening.

Really, this sucks.

When we were kids and there came out amazing films we wanted to see but weren't allowed to because we were to young, we were creative. We sneaked in older looking clothes, wearing glasses, more hair in the face, speaking with lower voices, mixing up with older ones in a row and so on to get into those movies. You had to earn yourself being able to talk about the movie including all the nightmares afterwards. These days they bend everything so that they can milk the masses. Thinking of video games this sounds quite familiar.

[Icedhope]

I'm assuming this is taking place on LV-426.

[taumel]

Does there exist any information where LV-426 should be located in space?

Gotcha, at least the star in the constellation.

Hmm, Zeta 2 Reticuli in the constellation Reticulum, δ=-62° 32′, α=03h 18m, about 39.5ly away from earth, older than our sun, comparable in some aspects, ... chances for enabling life like conditions on a planet with several moons in a double star system aren't great. Science and fiction, both have their place.

[Davies]

I'm assuming this is taking place on LV-426.

It's unknown at this point whether 'Prometheus' takes place on LV-426 or not. It's also unknown as to whether the Space Jockey craft seen in the trailer is the same one as the derelict spaceship seen in 'Alien' (although it's undeniably the same class of ship).

Remember in 'Alien', when the crew are analysing LV-426 and they mention that it appears to be in a Primordial state? Well, some people have theorised that the planet that 'Prometheus' takes place on will be terraformed by the Space Jockeys at some point during the film, thus starting the process of building up an atmosphere and therefore converting the planet to a primordial condition (explaining the difference in appearance between the look of the LV-426 in 'Prometheus' and in 'Alien').

On the other hand, prior to Lindelof caming on board and reworking Spaights script into 'Prometheus', back when it was still a direct prequel to 'Alien'; Ridley Scott mentioned that the film took place in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system, which is the same system where LV-426 resides. It's possible that seeming as LV-426 was a moon, that 'Prometheus' takes place on the larger planet of which LV-426 was in orbit.

Either way, Lindelof has stated that 'Prometheus' won't end with the derelict seen in 'Alien' crashing and there being a bunch of eggs on board. Apparently, any sequel to 'Prometheus' would be its own thing and not the original 'Alien' film.

In short; we'll just have to wait and see.

[Icedhope]

So in essence...this movie will be a prequel to ALIEN while being it's own universe. That is pretty awesome.

I'm curious about the space Jockey's and whether we will see them or not.

[Davies]

So in essence...this movie will be a prequel to ALIEN while being it's own universe. That is pretty awesome.

Isn't it just!

I'm curious about the space Jockey's and whether we will see them or not.

http://www.ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/1222-prometheus-derelict.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ou2Hp-oMRl0/TvSuw51Ve6I/AAAAAAAAaus/PajZLlsWa5w/s1600/xlarge_75785713ca082be9d818f12f3a77f7e9.jpg
A fully functioning alien spacecraft. It almost looks familiar, as if I know which species pilots that type of craft but I can't quite put my finger on it.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwnsasSzBB1qmz9r9o1_400.png
Now, what species of alien could that head on the medical table belong to?!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FOyRBn7F7Yg/Tx99_VJMwgI/AAAAAAAABZA/tMVJ09NT2NU/s640/noomi_and_spacejockeys.jpg
What are those statues behind Noomi Rapace? Hmm, they certainly don't look familiar.

When asked whether the "Gods" referred to in the official synopsis released by Fox for 'Prometheus' are in fact, the Space Jockeys; Ridley Scott had this to say...

“Yeah, so there you have that. I was always amazed that, I mean, I’ve only done two science-fictions ['Alien' and 'Blade Runner'], but I was always amazed that no one asked who the hell the Space Jockey was. He wasn’t even called the Space Jockey. During the film they started to call it the Space Jockey. I don’t know who started that one off.

I always thought it was amazing that no one ever asked who he was, and why was he there? What was all that about? I sat thinking about this for a while and thought, well, there’s a story! And the other three ['Alien' films] missed it! So, here it is.

Does that answer your question?
:p
:D

[taumel]

As for the fiction part: Acheron (LV-426) is the second of three natural satellites that orbit Calpamos, which is the fifth planet from the star Zeta 2 Reticuli.

[Icedhope]

I think I've found two more people to call friends!

[Davies]

I just created this picture for my signature over at the 'AVP Galaxy' forums...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5076/prometheusbannerfinal2.jpg


I based the Space Jockey off the photo below, which is one of the proposed prosthetics created for 'Prometheus'...

http://a34.idata.over-blog.com/309x500/5/02/56/70/prometheus_jockey_head2.jpg

[DAISHI]

Uhhh that's Obviously Max Rebo

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/46/Maxrebo.jpg

[Davies]

Uhhh that's Obviously Max Rebo

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/46/Maxrebo.jpg

Now it all makes sense! It was Max Rebo whom piloted and crashed the derelict craft on LV-426.

You know what it's like. When you're a rock star diva like Max Rebo ; a few too many snorts of angel dust up the ol' elephant trunk and the next thing you know, you've only gone and bloody crashed your craft on some backwater moon.

[taumel]

It would be nice if the quality would be a better but you can always give services like Google's Sky Map a try.

[Davies]

It would be nice if the quality would be a better but you can always give services like Google's Sky Map a try.

:confused:

What is this? I don't even...

[taumel]

Uhm, you really don't know? I hope i don't fall into the bitch trap again. :O)

Let's say it's something like Google Earth or Google Map just for the sky, preferable when it's dark and shows all the stars. You can either access it directly via Google Earth or via web (http://www.google.com/intl/de/sky/) or as an app for Android or similar apps for iOS.

You enter a location (that's why i delivered the coordinates of the Alien double star system a few posts above) or the name of a star and if it's in their database, you'll get the appropriate star map view of that star in it's constellation. Btw. Google Earth offers some more info.

[Davies]

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4205/adventurefinal.jpg
I was bored today, so I mocked up a 'Prometheus' adventure game screenshot.

Uhm, you really don't know? I hope i don't fall into the bitch trap again. :O)

Let's say it's something like Google Earth or Google Map just for the sky, preferable when it's dark and shows all the stars. You can either access it directly via Google Earth or via web (http://www.google.com/intl/de/sky/) or as an app for Android or similar apps for iOS.

You enter a location (that's why i delivered the coordinates of the Alien double star system a few posts above) or the name of a star and if it's in their database, you'll get the appropriate star map view of that star in it's constellation. Btw. Google Earth offers some more info.

Man, what a bitch! I jest of course. :p:D

I didn't know that Google had a system for the stars, that's pretty neat. I'll have to check it out at some point.

[taumel]

/me is waving with some money.

[Davies]

I rather enjoyed making that mocked 'Prometheus' screenshot. I think I'll get started on another one.

Also, I think I did a rather good job on the Noomi Rapace sprite, even if I do say so myself!

[taumel]

It made me thinking, again, of what the best interface for a typical adventure game is. Being as simple, comfortable and enjoyable as possible but without simplifying things, and this for different input capabilities.

[Johro]

The latest release in the screen shot department. (http://c534909.r9.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Prometheus-Star-Map.jpg)

[taumel]

It will be interesting seeing it animated and how to interact with.

[Johro]

Another viral video.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEO3lmVy-tU)
and...

THE trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEv03g51kU)

[MusicallyInspired]

So awesome. Cannot. Wait.

[LuigiHann]

looks goooood

[Davies]

Looks like garbage, albeit aesthetically pleasing garbage.

This is 'The Phantom Menace' all over again...

The start of that trailer is like a cross between 'AVP' and the prequel to 'The Thing'.

The once mysterious Space Jockey is revealed to be nothing more than a tall, bald humanoid wearing an "elephant suit"; how fucking uninspired is that?!

The dialogue and the acting is piss poor; what the fuck happened to the gritty realism of the dialogue in 'Alien'?! Noomi Rapace barely even sounds like she's trying, did somebody slip Rohypnol into her coffee or something?

Giger's glorious bio-mechanical sets from the derelict in 'Alien' have lost their "bio" element and are now merely "mechanical".

Having said that, I've only myself to blame; I should never have hyped myself up so much for this. I think that I was expecting the second coming! Anyway, looks like I'll never be watching this because I'm sick of being burned by crappy entries in my favourite series. I'll just stick with 'Alien', 'Alien 3' and to a lesser extent 'Aliens', thank you very much.

I will always love Ridley Scott for giving the world 'Alien', 'Blade Runner' and 'Gladiator' but he's lost me with this.

It's a shame too, as I really liked the recent IMAX trailer...

IMAX trailer with exclusive footage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXLzJhZa8PY)

At least I enjoy hearing Ridley's thought on the filmmaking process....

Here's last night's Q&A with Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610TmUyGwJ8&feature=related)

[Johro]

The once mysterious Space Jockey is revealed to be nothing more than a tall, bald humanoid wearing an "elephant suit"; how fucking uninspired is that?!


Um... The mystery was the origin. They pretty much showed the whole body in Alien already and had to work from that. Come on, you know this.

While the trailer is a bit of a let down to me as well, I'm still going to give it a chance.

[MusicallyInspired]

This isn't Lucas, this is Ridley Scott. Have some more faith than that. Geez. Not everybody is as short sighted as Lucas. He's actually EXPANDING the universe, which hasn't ever been done in the series beyond adding Predators to it.

[Davies]

Um... The mystery was the origin. They pretty much showed the whole body in Alien already and had to work from that. Come on, you know this.

Well, they actually showed the skeletal remains but the point I'm making is that the Jockey we saw in 'Alien' has now been revealed to be a space suit; under that suit is a tall, bald human! Seriously, you don't think that's lame?

I would have been happy if the Jockey species had retained the "elephant" look but the thing we saw in 'Alien' is the equivalent of a human's space suit. The actual creature within that suit is a humanoid, that looks like us! It's retcon central and I don't like it. It's just the usual "the biggest threat is man" cliché bollocks.

In retrospect, it also completely ruins the Lovecraftian nature of the derelict scene in 'Alien'.

This isn't Lucas, this is Ridley Scott. Have some more faith than that. Geez. Not everybody is as short sighted as Lucas. He's actually EXPANDING the universe, which hasn't ever been done in the series beyond adding Predators to it.

Predators do not exist within the 'Alien' universe, they only exist within the shitty 'AVP' universe. Sure, 'Predator 2' showed us a Xeno skull, so it's possible that the Xeno's exist within the Predator universe but when did any of the actual 'Alien' films show us a Predator? Answer; they didn't.

However, I do see your point about this being Ridley Scott and not George Lucas, so I guess I should cut him some slack. Although, I'm not grateful for Ridley expanding the universe if the finished film turns out to be shit. I'd rather they just left well enough alone.

[Johro]

Well, they actually showed the skeletal remains but the point I'm making is that the Jockey we saw in 'Alien' has now been revealed to be a space suit; under that suit is a tall, bald human! Seriously, you don't think that's lame?


It's a bit lame. I still wasn't expecting it to look like it did in Alien though because they(Dallas, I think) mentioned the skeleton appeared to have grown onto the chair. I had a feeling something was up with that... and now we know. Was it the most awesome reasoning? No, and for that reason, I'm a bit disappointed. I'm still giving him a chance though.

[Davies]

It's a bit lame. I still wasn't expecting it to look like it did in Alien though because they(Dallas, I think) mentioned the skeleton appeared to have grown onto the chair. I had a feeling something was up with that... and now we know. Was it the most awesome reasoning? No, and for that reason, I'm a bit disappointed. I'm still giving him a chance though.

Aye, fair enough. To an extent, I'm throwing my toys out of the pram! I'll probably end up watching 'Prometheus' but I'm extremely worried that they'll fuck it up. Us 'Alien' fans have already had to put up with too much bullshit; 'Resurrection', 'AVP' and 'AVP:R'.

On the previous page there's someone mentioning the fucking Predators! I'm sick of it; too often when I'm down the pub, I have the following conversation with someone...

PERSON: "What's your favourite film?"

MYSELF: "Without a doubt it's 'Alien'.

PERSON: "Oh cool, I liked the AVP movies".

... I just want to slap them! I'm not talking about the dumb Predator movies, god damn it! I'm talking about intelligent film; an artform. For fucks sake, there's a difference between 'Alien' and some stupid, pun spewing Schwarzenegger popcorn flick.

If 'Prometheus' is a failure then it's yet another knife wound to the heart. I'm just worried about how this'll turn out.

[MusicallyInspired]

Predators do not exist within the 'Alien' universe, they only exist within the shitty 'AVP' universe.

That's not what I meant at all. My point is, the Alien franchise has been nothing but monster movies since the first movie. And the only "innovation" it's ever had was to mix it with Predators. Prometheus is something completely different. It's NEW territory. And new is good.

I can understand getting mad at Lucas for revisiting and retconning stuff because he has a reputation. I don't recall Ridley Scott having ever disappointed anybody with anything like that, however. So I'm being optimistic. I just don't see any rational reason to be pessimistic until we actually see it.

And no, I don't think the Space Jockey suit is lame. For all we know that's the way Ridley always envisioned it. We haven't even seen it yet. We have no idea what context it is. It could be anything. It could be awesome and better than we thought, not worse. Bottom line, wait until it's out.

May I remind you that Ridley was only ever involved in the first Alien movie. The rest of them were made by others who took the whole franchise in a direction he probably never intended. I'm not expecting the same old crap, here. You talk about artform, well, Ridley created the first Alien and he's now creating Prometheus. Probably not even taking the rest of the Alien movies into account beyond the first one. That's my guess (and hope).

[Davies]

...I don't think the Space Jockey suit is lame. For all we know that's the way Ridley always envisioned it....

May I remind you that Ridley was only ever involved in the first Alien movie. The rest of them were made by others who took the whole franchise in a direction he probably never intended. I'm not expecting the same old crap, here. You talk about artform, well, Ridley created the first Alien and he's now creating Prometheus.

This is kind of what bothers me. Whilst Ridley Scott did direct the first 'Alien', he didn't conceive of the concept or write the story because he's not a writer. Yet with 'Prometheus', Lindelof has said that the story and concepts belong to Ridley.

How is this any different to when Sigourney Weaver took the role of executive producer for 'Alien 3' and 'Alien Resurrection'? She had an input into the story of those films and certainly with 'Resurrection' it was detrimental to the film. Sigourney is a brilliant actress, that's what she should stick to. Ridley is a brilliant director, that's what he should stick to.

Time will tell with 'Prometheus' but it does concern me that Ridley's in charge of the story. This is the same man who thought it might have been interesting to end 'Alien' with the Xeno ripping off Ripley's head and speaking in her voice and communicating to Earth, telling them "I'm on my way back"!

Don't get me wrong, I have immense respect for Ridley Scott as a director but I don't know whether he should be calling the shots when it comes to story.

[Davies]

Below is a link to the UK trailer. I much prefer it to the American one. The pace is much slower and there's a fair amount of new footage...

The UK trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk)

[Johro]

I prefer that one as well. The American one looked too much like a deck of cards being thrown at you.

[Davies]

TV Spot #2 - With all new footage. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oCPGbPbzLQ&feature=player_embedded)

I liked Theron's delivery of the line "if you're going down there, you're going to die". We also get a glimpse of Prometheus' escape pod (launced prior to the ship colliding with the derelict) and Shaw and Holloway kissing.

[Secret Fawful]

I've waited ever since the trailer came out to say this to you, Davies. It's not a HUMAN. The Space Jockey is a humanoid being that looks like a cross between a Greek god and a Xenomorph.

As far as Noomi Rapace not trying, you and I must have watched trailers for different movies. I love her deliveries, especially on the line "It's not a map. It's an invitation." She looks truly captivated and entranced by the idea of gods and answers to universal questions. And then when she looks up at the face and you see tears come from her eyes- it's a little bit of an unnerving portrayal already.

[Secret Fawful]

Sorry, Davies. Prometheus has been cancelled by FOX (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/livinlowcarbman/April-Fool-s-Day-26.gif).

[Davies]

Sorry, Davies. Prometheus has been cancelled by FOX (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/livinlowcarbman/April-Fool-s-Day-26.gif).

http://www.montrealert.com/images/unimpressed.jpg

[Secret Fawful]

Ewww, what an ugly wanker. And he has a Dirty Sanchez to boot!

[Davies]

Ewww, what an ugly wanker.

Don't talk about my Father like that! He's a fugly wanker, I'll have you know.

...he has a Dirty Sanchez to boot!

Dustin Diamond strikes again!

[St_Eddie]

Earlier today, 15 minutes of 3D footage from Prometheus was screened for the press at the Vue cinema in London's Leicester Square. BleedingCool reports on the experience...

We open on the shot from the trailers that show Elizabeth Shaw, as played by Noomi Rapace, clearing dirt and small stones out of a crack in a cave wall someplace. She’s looking through the crack, right at us.

After we cut outside to a verdant mountainside, a title card announces that we’re in Skye, and that it’s the year 2079.

The remainder of the scene features Shaw uncovering an ancient illustration on the cave wall and showing it to her fellow archaeologist and apparent romantic partner, Charlie Holloway, played by Logan Marshall Green. As well as the now well-known “star chart” element in the image, with a taller figure (representative of the Space Jockey) pointing to the heavens, one of the cave drawings shows a big, deadly looking… something, attacking a group of smaller human figures.

This thing is not humanoid, nor does it look like the standard Alien series xenomorph. It’s pale, too – not coloured in like the Jockey. For now, there’s no telling if this is just a red herring or a little bit of set-up.

A dissolve to deep space, and a new title card introduces the spaceship Prometheus. It’s now 2083, and we’re somewhere in deep space. The last line of the title card is a tease too – the spaceship’s mission is classified as “undisclosed.”

Note the name of the destination planet: it’s LV -226, possibly 223. Not LV-426, as featured in Alien and Aliens.

And neither is it Zeus.

On board Prometheus, the ship’s computer (no reference to Mother, MuThUr, Father or any of the other Alienverse fan-bait computer names) is sounding an alert that they are reaching their destination. David the Android, as played by Michael Fassbender, makes his way to check in on Meredith Vickers, as played by Charlize Theron. She’s the only passenger on board to have woken from hypersleep yet.

And she’s doing her morning exercises, dripping phenomenal amounts of sweat as she does push ups. You’ve seen a close-up of her at work in the trailers. Charlize Theron appears even more statuesque than normal, if that’s possible.

Vickers asks, and with apparent dispassion, if any of the other passengers died during their two and a half year journey. When David confirms that everybody is still alive, he’s sent to wake them all, and so he does.

Freshly awoken and sitting on the side of her hypersleep bed, Elizabeth Shaw does not seem, just yet, to be made of the same tough stuff as Vickers. She’s retching and puking into a little bowl – and like everybody else, absolutely drenched in sweat.

Holloway seems to be rather more composed, drinking what appears to be milk.

Once everybody is up and dressed, they have a little breakfast. The echoes of Alien in this scene are plentiful. Shaw is wearing a grey uniform that positively screams its callback to the original designs, complete with sewn on patches. Even the table looks familiar.

Next up, a briefing. This scene takes place in a room seen in the trailers, with the crew sitting on basic little chairs. Vickers greats the crew, commenting on how she personally hired some herself. But there’s another message for everybody…

Vickers starts the play back of a holographic recording. Half of the room is taken over by the virtual representation of a well-appointed, luxurious room, somewhere back on Earth.

And into this room walks a holographic representation of Peter Weyland, as played by Guy Pearce. But it’s not the young Weyland we’ve seen in the TED talk, this is him many years later, near the end of his life. The message was apparently recorded shortly before the departure of the Prometheus.

Pearce’s makeup was not the most convincing I’ve ever seen, but he’s giving it his all under the rubber. Unfortunately, his costume, bald head and little dog on a leash conjured up images of Dr. Evil. It’s likely to be no more than an accidentally comic coincidence, but I did wonder for a second if Scott was trying to make Weyland look like a villain, perhaps to later confound this.

During his recorded presentation, Weyland refers to the fact that he’ll be dead by “now”, and even cracks a joke about it. At the end, when he cedes the floor to “the scientists”, Holloway makes his own quip about having to follow a ghost.

It’s misdirection: there are other shots of Weyland, at this age, corporeal and very much alive, in one of the earliest trailers.

Holloway calls up the holographic presentation we’ve seen in the trailer, showing the various cave paintings, carvings and ancient archaeological finds that show, again and again, the space jockey figure pointing to the stars. He projects it, somehow, out of a shiny, relatively featureless object that looks like a Rubiks Cube. I had difficulty understanding the functionality of this item – it seemed like it would be nearly impossible to use. Perhaps it’s supposed to be a secure way of storing data, and the complex series of actions that were needed to fire it up, and through touches to a mostly unmarked interface, are some kind of security measure.

The climax of the scene has been seen in the trailers. It’s the moment where Shaw explains her interpretation of the recurring “star chart” images. These aren’t just maps, she believes – they’re invitations.

And then we cut to a minute or so of fast-cut, sizzle footage. Almost all of this seemed to be stuff from the trailers. One sudden image aside, there were no obvious surprises or revelations in this sequence – or, indeed, any new mysteries.

This single, sudden image is hard to explain, and it flashed by so quickly that I’m not sure how accurate my memory of it is, but I want to try and describe the thing I saw.

This thing was clearly some kind of life form, probably alien in origin, though it’s believed that mutated humans will feature in the story too. It looked a bit like a flower crossed with a sphincter and it had sharp claws or teeth or other protrusions of that kind. And it seemed to be reaching up and coming towards the screen. There was undoubtedly a touch of “Facehugger plus” about this thing.

It’s fair to say that the audience were impressed with this morning’s presentation. The appearance of a pale cave painting monster and “Dr. Evil” Weyland aside, there were no great plot revelations in what we saw, but the sequence certainly impressed as well as teased – with it’s pace, it’s mood, with great production design and Dariusz Wolski’s superb lighting."

Cinemart was also present at the screening and reported much of the same information as BleedingCool. Except for this interesting and amusing detail...

We also see Idris Elba’s Captain Janek attempting to spread a little cheer and goodwill on the Prometheus with a Christmas tree, only for Vickers to seem utterly bemused by this action.

Fox are due to release a transcript of the Q&A with Ridley Scott and the film's actors, which took place after the screening, soon.

[Secret Fawful]

http://i.imgur.com/EJyct.jpg
New images from Prometheus- (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/533)

[KingHorror]

Earlier today, 15 minutes of 3D footage from Prometheus was screened for the press at the Vue cinema in London's Leicester Square. BleedingCool reports on the experience...



Cinemart was also present at the screening and reported much of the same information as BleedingCool. Except for this interesting and amusing detail...



Fox are due to release a transcript of the Q&A with Ridley Scott and the film's actors, which took place after the screening, soon.

IGN was also at this event, and They had some Intersting Things to say regarding the Q&A

"The director and cast then talked about the making of the movie, with Fassbender discussing the ways in which he prepared to play an android. The actor revealed that he watched Blade Runner, The Servant, Lawrence of Arabia and The Man Who Fell to Earth as part of his research.

He also explained that diver Greg Louganis' walk was the inspiration for the character's movement, and revealed that David will develop a wicked sense of humour over the course of the film.

But it was director Scott who was the most enlightening, explaining that the film's final few minutes will be a direct link to the 1979 original, and there will be Alien Easter eggs hidden throughout the film for the eagle-eyed fan.

He also revealed that Prometheus will feature a scene that's equivalent to John Hurt's legendary chest-burster sequence from the original, but mysteriously intimated that it will take place in private, with no witnesses.

Full Article Here:http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1222668p1.html

[inm8#2]

I am so pumped for this.

[St_Eddie]

http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2012/04/Prometheus-Cinemagraph-3.gif
Creepy eye-worm from the Prometheus trailer.

[Johro]

well that looks cool.

[St_Eddie]

A video of the recent Q&A session which took place in France. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rr0rb_9fqB4)

It makes for a very interesting viewing. There's some great discussion from Ridley and the cast here.

[St_Eddie]

The Latest Viral Video

David (the android played by Micheal Fassbender) in an extended Weyland advertisement. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM&feature=player_embedded)

"What can you do, David?"

"I can do almost anything that can be asked of me. I can assist your employees. I can make your organization more efficient. I can carry out directives that my human counterparts might find... distressing or unethical."

"David, what makes you sad?"

"War. Poverty. Cruelty. Unnecessary violence. I understand human emotions, although I do not feel them myself."

[Secret Fawful]

Prometheus International Launch Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byZkbNB3Jw&)

[St_Eddie]

Prometheus Audio Clip

An audio clip of a crew member being attacked by a snake like creature has been released. It sounds wonderfully gruesome!

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1664/hugger580x315.png
"Hello Mr. Alien-Snake. Allow me to reach out and touch you. I doubt that doing so will have any adverse consequences..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nJxw3zjQQ)

[DAISHI]

Saw a ad at the Avengers last night. LOOKS AWESOME.

[Cockerel]

Mr. Davies seems to be awfully eggcited for this film, so I thought that I would have take a quick gander at the poster. I noticed that the tag line is 'The Search for Our Beginning Could Lead to Our End'.

Now I am pondering as to why eggactly seeking an answer to the age old question of 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?' should lead to our end? I suppose that the Great Cock in the Sky does not care to be rubbed the wrong why by us ruffling his mighty feathers in an attempt to reveal his secrets.

[Johro]

Well, the search for where the egg came from, does lead to the chicken's end...

[Secret Fawful]

Mr. Davies seems to be awfully eggcited for this film, so I thought that I would have take a quick gander at the poster. I noticed that the tag line is 'The Search for Our Beginning Could Lead to Our End'.

Now I am pondering as to why eggactly seeking an answer to the age old question of 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?' should lead to our end? I suppose that the Great Cock in the Sky does not care to be rubbed the wrong why by us ruffling his mighty feathers in an attempt to reveal his secrets.

Yay! Cockerel is back! Hey, Mr. Cockerel, I am currently helping to take care of two little chicks. Does that make me a friend of the chicken?

[Cockerel]

Yay! Cockerel is back! Hey, Mr. Cockerel, I am currently helping to take care of two little chicks. Does that make me a friend of the chicken?

Oh, Mr. Fawful, you've long been a warm recipient to this particular cock. In fact, I don't consider my fine self to have any enemies... well, except for that cad, Mr. Fox, the black-socked fiend!

To truly show you how much I adore your good self, I've sent a friend request your way. I hope that you shall accept my offer, so that I may join your two chicklets under your magnificent wing.

[St_Eddie]

Prometheus Clip

A clip of the ship landing an the Engineer's planet has been released...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL5DK7CdscI&feature=player_embedded

... Well, I say "clip" but the footage has clearly been heavily cut down from its original state for the purposes of this piece of marketing. Check out Captain Janek's (Idris Elba) hat appear on, off and on his head at random! One moment the Prometheus is above the clouds, the next it's about to touch down. Also notice Janek switch seats via his magical ability of teleportation!

I'm relieved to know that the actual sequence in the film will most likely be a tense, drawn out affair; ala 'Alien'.

[St_Eddie]

Prometheus Soundtrack Preview

A selection of 30 second clips from the 'Prometheus' soundtrack (composed by Marc Streitenfeld) have been released...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tzUsUlfkYM&feature=player_embedded

... Sounds good to me. The tracks fit very nicely within the 'Alien' universe.

New Spoiler Heavy TV Spot

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/

http://i.imgur.com/wDSOP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IZzUh.gif

[St_Eddie]

Elizabeth Shaw Viral Video

A viral video featuring Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) has been released...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zwEtldZQNew

[St_Eddie]

Holy F**king S**t, Listen To This,,,

This is a track from the 'Prometheus' soundtrack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0DKzYx-eQw

... Nah, this ain't no 'Alien' prequel! Afterall, it's not like it sounds anything like the soundtrack to 'Alien' (at 0:35)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaT-JX5r8i8

[Johro]

...Nothing like Alien. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljI_2_DOpRc)

[St_Eddie]

...Nothing like Alien. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljI_2_DOpRc)

I just came...

[Johro]

Pretty cool...if you liked "Aliens". (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/408816)

[St_Eddie]

I've just had the entire plot of 'Prometheus' spoiled for me by a fellow over at AVPGalaxy, who attented a pre-screening yesterday (it's my own fault for reading his posts). This guy is genuine by the way.

It sounds pretty good but my three complaints are...

* Ridley Scott has screwed with the size of the Space Jockey without explanation!

http://terribleanalogies.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Alien-comparison.jpg
The scene in 'Alien' isn't going to make much sense now. The Space Jockey has been retconned into being shrunk from approximately 19ft tall, dowm to 9ft tall.

* The trailers have revealed far too much, we've already seen every creature. Well, bar one...

(big spoiler ahead, you have been warned)...

* The ending is a proto-xeno chest bursting from a dead Engineer. It screams at the camera. Cut to black.

That's some real 'AVP' shit right there! Plus, it's a horrible moment of fan-service. It has no relevance to the proceding story! I hate it already.

Everything else sounds good to me but my expectations have now been significantly lowered. 3 days to go...

[Johro]

You just set the bar too high... after completely writing the movie off a while ago. I wasn't expecting it to be fantastic...just better than Resurrection. It still sounds like it will reach my bar.

[Secret Fawful]

Geez, Ed, quit whining about how awful the movie is gonna be before having seen it.

[St_Eddie]

4 New Clips Released

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4FblPcjbc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDKKB8sLLKo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JpaqSr_20vc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiPSPfACPCg&feature=player_embedded

Reviews Start Going Online

http://empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/may/30/prometheus-review?INTCMP=SRCH

http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/prometheus-1

From the clips released recently and the reviews, it's pretty clear that Michael Fassbender steals the show. That was to be expected though, seeming as Fassbender is awesome personified!

Geez, Ed, quit whining about how awful the movie is gonna be before having seen it.

:confused:

What are you talking about?!

You obviously missed the parts where I said "pretty good" and "everything else sounds good to me". I was just pointing out the two minor elements of the story (and the spoiler heavy Fox marketing) that I don't like the sound of. Two minor moments within a 2 hour movie hardly constitutes as writing it off as "awful".

I would have gone into more detail about the many elements that I really liked the sound of but that would have involved essentially covering the entire plot! I'll be posting a YouTube review sometime next week, once I've actually seen the film a couple of times.

I'm fully expecting to enjoy the film when I see it tomorrow, I'm just not being blind to the fact that it's not the second coming!

[DAISHI]

Decided not to watch it on the basis of this thread.

"Buffeted by a lack of suspense, threadbare characters, and a very poor script, the stunning visuals, gloopy madness, and sterling Fassbenderiness can’t prevent Prometheus feeling like Alien’s poor relation."

Yeah not going to watch it.

[St_Eddie]

Decided not to watch it on the basis of this thread.

"Buffeted by a lack of suspense, threadbare characters, and a very poor script, the stunning visuals, gloopy madness, and sterling Fassbenderiness can’t prevent Prometheus feeling like Alien’s poor relation."

Yeah not going to watch it.

Hmm, that's just one reviewers opinion. Generally, the reviews have been mostly positive thus far.

I'll be seeing the film for myself in a few hours and will upload my review to YouTube next week. If I love the film and give it a glowing review, would you suddenly want to watch it again? It seems somewhat bizzare to me that one person's opinion could so easily sway your decision to watch a film.

Surely it's best to view it for yourself and come to your own conclusion?

However, if you insist on listening to critics, then here's a couple more review quotes for you...

It is depressing to watch an expensive, crafty movie that never soars beyond its cold desire to score the big bucks.

Characters that are scarcely developed beyond their most superficial attributes... it becomes exceedingly difficult to care about any of their exploits once the novelty of the film's look wears off (which doesn't take long at all, admittedly).

...Just a couple of quotes from the many negative reviews for the film. Oh, hold on! Those are actually quotes from the initial reviews for 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner', respectively. I guess that means that those two film aren't worth a shit either, huh?

[DAISHI]

Depends what versiOn of Blade Runner :P

[St_Eddie]

Depends what versiOn of Blade Runner :P

Oh, yOu.

[St_Eddie]

Okay, I've seen it! I'll upload a proper review upon my second viewing. However, the brief verdict is; fucking awesome!

Having said that, it's not one iota similar to 'Alien'. Approach this beast with a fresh mind!

For the first 30 minutes, I thought that this was going to be 'The Phantom Menece Redux', but boy, was I proven wrong!

Indeed, Michael Fassbender steals the show but who gives a damn, when he's so darn riveting!

[DAISHI]

Just saw it. THIS MOVIE IS TERRIBLE. It's so bad that it's an inadvertent comedy, B Movie material at best.

[Johro]

I'm going to see it this morning. I have no expectations so we'll see how it goes.

[DAISHI]

Prometheus is an action movie, in the worst sense of the word. Don't let the lofty themes fool you. While the movie begins with noble presentation and grand ideas, it follows through on none of them.

To list out the number of offenses Prometheus commits is to go through a laundry list of bad story telling. Let's begin with the plot and, as importantly, the plot holes. The plot is convoluted despite being so simple. Conflicts are presented that are never resolved or fully explained. The motivations and actions of the Engineers are so horribly convoluted that it makes you wonder why a race of advanced beings, capable of genetic engineering and interstellar flight, would ever need to go through the lengths these beings do in order to develop bioweapons.

Which is the essential plot of the movie. Bad alien beings developing bio weapons, and the process of doing so will destroy the Earth. Nevermind the silliness of how complicated it was to seed Earth with life in the first place, only to wreck it later. Further, the Engineers are not Aliens. With an Alien, you could expect the brutal, the unexplained. It was a creature of sheer instinct, your visceral fears manifested. The Engineers are posed as godlike beings, worshiped, leaving instructions on starmaps throughout the planet that would lead people to them. Except we learn that the Engineers left a map not to their homeworld, but to the interstellar equivalent of a weapons facility. And for what? To produce bioweapons by merging humans with their experiments? It would have taken hundreds of millions of years to bring their plan to fruition.

Perhaps I'm wrong on how I'm interpreting the plot, but that falls on the writer and director. There is lack of clarity, exposition that takes seconds and explains nothing, and then long talks that lead nowhere. Too many characters say too many things, and not enough focus is placed on any of them.

But the true offense is that the movie makes you feel nothing. The first half hour to an hour is perhaps the best, when the movie is inspiring wonder. David, the android, sets up the movie incredibly well because the audience is able to discern how David is attempting to mimic humanity. This would have been an interesting theme to follow, and it leads nowhere. It vanishes, punctuated by unexplained moments of behavior from David. Is he acting the way he is because he truly is becoming more human than human?

In fact, I'd venture to say David would have made a better villain than the Engineers. That sense of awe falls away as soon as we're introduced to the creatures. Again, as opposed to the Alien, the audience expects something of a race capable of interstellar travel and genetic engineering. What we get is a rampaging brute that shows just how strong he is but never provides fear. The sense of awe, of wonder, that permeates the question of what makes a human human, and why we search for our origins, falls away. It's replaced not by the stark horrors of space, but large, set piece action sequences and revelations that are neither shocking nor insightful. It's all quite boring.

I am not a big fan of Alien, but I appreciate it for what it was. I took the girlfriend. Neither of us found the movie interesting after the first forty five minutes. I actually began to drift off during the last half hour or so. One of the 'pivotal' deaths is so comical I couldn't help but grimace, and the last set of action sequences becomes, essentially, Die Hard in Space.

Edit: OH! And the ending is offensive. It seems to pander for a sequel.

[Johro]

I would give it a 5/10. The last 10-15 of fan service was a bit of a slap in the face, I'm sorry to say. I'm not one who thinks everything in a movie NEEDS to be explained and tend to hate movies that do that(so the unclear motivations and plot weren't my problem), On that note, I do believe this movie would've actually been really good...without the last 15 minutes. Ridley, die hard fans can make the connections and non-fans don't care about them, so doing them yourself is very pointless and just leaves everyone with a big "what the fuck?" after all of it. I'll buy it on Blu-ray, but I won't be seeing this multiple times in the theatre. It was alright. Still WAYYYY better than Resurrection...and by the way, people, this movie completely removes any thought of the AVP movies being cannon(which, I must thank them for that).

[St_Eddie]

Just saw it. THIS MOVIE IS TERRIBLE. It's so bad that it's an inadvertent comedy, B Movie material at best.

Wow, that's harsh. I genuinely believe that there's every chance that you may change your tune in time to come. Allow me to elaborate...

Prometheus is an action movie, in the worst sense of the word. Don't let the lofty themes fool you. While the movie begins with noble presentation and grand ideas, it follows through on none of them.

'Prometheus' is a film that falls within the science-fiction, action-adventure and horror genres. You do it a great disservice by describing it as simply "an action movie", regardless of whether or not you enjoyed the film.

To list out the number of offenses Prometheus commits is to go through a laundry list of bad story telling. Let's begin with the plot and, as importantly, the plot holes. The plot is convoluted despite being so simple. Conflicts are presented that are never resolved or fully explained.

Such is the nature of the beast. Whilst you're correct that a number of plot elements are left unexplained; this is a purposeful decision on the part of Ridley Scott (as he has stated in interviews). However, many of the "plot holes" have an answer and everything depicted within the film has meaning and a purpose. This was evident in earlier drafts of the script - Ridley wanted the film to be more ambiguous and so took out the moments of exposition, that explained the various mysteries.

The point is that a lot of the answers are there; within the film. Trust me when I say that it's a film which grows upon you, with every viewing. There are so many small, subtle touches; the key is to paying close attention to the finer details.

'Prometheus' is a film which absolutely demands multiple viewings. In that respect, it's not dissimilar to 'Blade Runner'. If that's sounds a little bit too much like hyperbole, then allow me to compare it to another film; 'Alien 3'.

Much like Fincher's underrated flick, 'Prometheus' is a film that's sadly been compromised my studio enforced cuts (see my forthcoming review for details), though an extended cut is probable upon the Blu-Ray release of the film. Another trait that 'Prometheus' shares with the third in the 'Alien' series is that there's a number of people who strongly dislike the film at this moment. I personally believe that (like 'Alien 3')'Prometheus' will be a film which will be appreciated much more as time passes and repeat viewings take place.

Personally, I love films which leave certain events to the imagination. Such films (hopefully) leave the viewer thinking about the film, for many days following it's release; coming up with your own theories as to what occurred. In reality, life provides no answers; why should film?

It may be my own tastes but I relish a story which leaves me to connect the dots, it makes for a more immersive experience.

If there's a point that I'm attempting to make here, then I guess it's this; please watch 'Prometheus' at least twice. This time you'll be watching the flick without any expectation or preconceived notions. Trust me, this film is a grower. There are so many moments that you pick up upon a second or third viewing that you miss the first time around.

Too many characters say too many things, and not enough focus is placed on any of them.

Those moments are (sadly) on the cutting room floor. Ridley Scott has already hinted at an extended cut, during his recent radio interview with Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo. Like I said, it's 'Alien 3' all over again!


I am not a big fan of Alien, but I appreciate it for what it was.

Oh! I fear that I may have just wasted my time replying! :p

[DAISHI]

But it wasn't a horror movie, that's the problem. It never invokes a sense of dread or fear.

[St_Eddie]

But it wasn't a horror movie, that's the problem. It never invokes a sense of dread or fear.

Ah, that's the trick you see, Potter (sorry - couldn't resist)! It's not intended as a pure horror film. Hence the reason as to why Ridley Scott distanced this project from being a straight up prequel to 'Alien'. 'Prometheus' is it's own thing; a weighty film, riffing on the subject of what it means to be human and faith vs science. I'll concede that the horror elements are somewhat shoehorned in but they're certainly not the focus of the story. They're merely a speck upon the entire canvas.

'Prometheus' simply takes place within the same universe as 'Alien', it's not intended as a direct continuation of the themes and genre of those films. Think of 'Prometheus' in terms of being it's own thing and you just may come to love it.

[tobar]

I still don't get how the space jockey got from that module back to his pilot's seat. Was this a different planet than the one the Nostromo encounters?

[Johro]

yes. LV-223 I believe opposed to LV-426.

[DAISHI]

Ah, that's the trick you see, Potter (sorry - couldn't resist)! It's not intended as a pure horror film. Hence the reason as to why Ridley Scott distanced this project from being a straight up prequel to 'Alien'. 'Prometheus' is it's own thing; a weighty film, riffing on the subject of what it means to be human and faith vs science. I'll concede that the horror elements are somewhat shoehorned in but they're certainly not the focus of the story. They're merely a speck upon the entire canvas.

'Prometheus' simply takes place within the same universe as 'Alien', it's not intended as a direct continuation of the themes and genre of those films. Think of 'Prometheus' in terms of being it's own thing and you just may come to love it.

It is its own thing. A piece of junk.

[LuigiHann]

Just saw it.

To me it felt too much like a collection of set pieces, like a committee of writers sat around a board room suggesting things that would be cool, and they just put all of the ideas into the movie. The way that things "come together" in the ending makes it clear that wasn't entirely the case, but it didn't dispel that feeling.

Also the last action sequence with the rolling ship was just absurdly contrived. I feel like the movie would have been better if they basically ended it just before that, so the ships collide and everybody dies, the end, because everything after that just felt annoying.

Still, I basically enjoyed the movie overall.

[St_Eddie]

I'm going to be watching 'Prometheus' for the fourth time tonight. I just can't get enough! It really does seem to get better overall, with each viewing.

Also, I've finally completed the script for my 'Prometheus' YouTube review. I'll be recording and posting it within the next couple of days.

[LuigiHann]

Here's a nice analysis of the themes of Prometheus, outlining many of the interesting things that the film did right: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

And here's a nice analysis of the major plot holes of Prometheus, outlining many of the interesting things that the film did wrong: http://lifevsfilm.blogspot.com/2012/05/prometheus-plot-holes.html

Seriously though how did those two guys get lost in the pyramid that they had holographic maps of, and why are they just idly wandering around after the captain of the ship frantically calls everyone else back aboard? If it was "safe" enough inside the pyramid that they were completely unaffected by the storm, why did they bother rushing anybody back to the ship? They could have all stayed in the pyramid and not risked having to outrace the storm. It's seriously like those two walked into some time warp that caused them to completely cease to exist for the duration of the "we have to get to the ship before the storm hits" sequence.

[Johro]

The plothole writer is an idiot. Yes, there were some, but some of those are easily explainable and others just don't matter.

[LuigiHann]

The plothole writer is an idiot. Yes, there were some, but some of those are easily explainable and others just don't matter.

I momentarily thought you were referring to the person who wrote the screenplay. I momentarily agreed with you.

[St_Eddie]

The plothole writer is an idiot. Yes, there were some, but some of those are easily explainable and others just don't matter.

You're spot on. Let's take a little look at these so called "plot-holes"...

Dear Mr. Unobservant,

1. Why is David riding a bicycle and shooting hoops? Is he trying to impress someone? I understand why he’s developing language skills, as he’s researching things as yet undiscovered, but what’s with the sports? He’s a robot!

Yes, he's a robot. Well done for actually comprehending something in the film! David is alone on board the ship for over 2 years; of course he's going to pass the time. Why is he riding a bike whilst shooting hoops? Because:

A - It shows the audience that he is a robot, whilst showing how he is, in some ways, superior to humans. His balance and co-ordination are flawless.

B - One of the films main themes is 'what does it mean to be an artificial person'. Weyland claims that David lacks a soul and yet the android clearly enjoys watching 'Lawrence of Arabia', he is overjoyed when he initiates the Engineer's hologram and he smiles when he hears the Engineer's heartbeat.

That's the point of the character; what does it mean to be human and can an artificial life-form have desires? There's another Ridley Scott film which deals with these issues; it's called 'Blade Runner' (maybe you've heard of it)! I guess that you were puzzled by that film too. You probably felt confused as to why Roy Batty wants to look into the eye of his creator and ask for more life, instead of just being a good little machine.

2. When Holloway sees the lines on the planet that prove the alien presence, why does no-one suggest scoping the area out for a while? Even just a little fly around would have been nice.

Whilst we don't see it on screen, it's perfectly possible that a scan of the planet is performed prior to landing. Ultimately though, they go straight to the pyramid in order to move the plot forward. If this is a plot-hole to you, then I can't imagine that you enjoy many movies at all!

3. What exactly are the holograms for? David starts one in the caves and another on the Space Jockey deck, but who are they for? They’re useful for him and us, but who made them? They could be some kind of ship’s log, but if so couldn’t someone have said that in one line of dialogue?

Um, seeming as you already answered your own question (they're clearly a ship's log), why do you need what you already know stated to you through dialogue?! More to the point, why do you think that it's a bad thing that you should have to engage your brain and not be spoon-fed every little detail through horrendous over-exposition?!

4. When Shaw, Holloway, David and Ford flee the caves, outside there’s two go-karts and a minibus. Two get on each of the karts, and no-one gets into the bus, yet they all drive off (at the time we assume Fifield and Millburn are in there). Who is driving it? You could argue that there’s a nameless crew member that stayed behind as a driver, and headed off to avoid the storm slightly too early for the others to get in, but there’s no proof of this.

When they get outside of the pyramid, we see that it's only the two karts that remains parked. Milburn says "damn it, they've already gone", they hop on the karts and then you see a shot of them catching up with the large transport, which left moments prior to the team emerging back outside.

5. Once David has rescued Shaw and Holloway, Janek mentions they don’t know where Fifield and Millburn are, but there’s a map showing their position! He uses it in the next scene. Plus, Janek seems pretty lackadaisical about two members of the crew being stranded on an alien planet. He practically says LOL.

I'll admit that these events are pretty convenient to the plot. However, Janek states that the signal has been dropping in and out due to the storm. Convenient? Yes. Plot-Hole? No.

Also, how convenient is it that everyone has a surname beginning with a different letter?

Seriously? Why shouldn't their last names begin with a different letter? Isn't it more likely that their surnames would be different?! Besides, there were two characters in the caves who had shared the same first letter of their surname; Fifield and Ford.

I can't remember how the map differentiates the two but I would imagine that Fifield would be represented as 'F' and Ford would appear as 'Fo'.

6. Why does David cave in to Vickers’ threats? He’s a robot, there’s not a lot she could do to him.

Once David has refused to tell Vickers what Weyland said; she specifically tells him "so help me God, I will find the cord that makes you run and I will cut it" (i.e. tell me or I'll kill you), at which point David informs her. This just further proves that an artificial person is capable of desire and has a sense of self preservation (ala Bishop in 'Aliens' - "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid").

7. Millburn the biologist is supposedly cowardly, as he is easily convinced by Fifield to run away at the site of a decapitated body (understandable), and later when he hears there’s a lifeform somewhere nearby, he says he’s heading in the opposite direction. So why, when he and Fifield go to the vase chamber, does he suddenly want to make friends with the alien there? He can’t even see the entire creature, so for all he knows it’s some giant beasty with a strange proboscis. Why did they even decide to stay in the cave full of weird bubbling vases anyway? It’s the exact room, with the dead decapitated body outside of it, that they ran away from earlier.

This sequence is very contrived, I'll give you that but it was Fifield who got really freaked out and wanted to leave. It was only when he asked, that Milburn decided to join him in going back to the ship. Even then, he took a moment to consider it. He was nowhere near as much of a coward as Fifield (who puts on a big show of being a mean bastard, in order to conceal his fears).

In relation to the Hammerpede (the serpent creature); how are we first introduced to Milburn in the film? We see him go up to the meanest looking hardass of the group (Fifield) and introduce himself, in an attempt to become friends. How does this relate to his interaction with the Hammerpede? You figure it out, it's pretty fucking obvious!

Furthermore, don't forget that Milburn is a biologist, he's fascinated by animals and this is a new discovery. Was it reckless for Milburn to reach out to the Hammerpede? Undoubtedly but it's not completely out of character.

8. Millburn and Fifield die when no-one is watching the monitors, because Vickers and Janek are getting it on in her quarters, right? Firstly, how come Janek didn’t order someone else to watch the monitors, and secondly, even if no-one was there, don’t these guys have TiVo? Just rewind the feed and see what happened. We have it in 2012; I’m guessing it’s still around in 2094.

Why wasn't anybody ordered to watch the monitors? Because no-one was expecting anything to happen and people fuck up in their jobs all of the time. Particularly a horny man!

Why didn't they have a recording of the incident with the Hammerpede? Like Janek said, there was on and off interference with the video feed due to the storm. Also, even if they had the footage recorded; why would they check it? They probably tried to contact Milburn and Fifield in the morning, didn't get a response, figured that the signal was weak and so, headed out to the pyramid to pick them up, as per what they'd arranged the previous night.

9. Why did Janek, the captain and pilot of the ship, go to investigate the disappearance of Millburn and Fifield? Surely he’s pretty integral to the running of the ship.

I'll give you that one. I thought the same thing myself.

10. What exactly was David’s plan with the black goo? He gave some to Holloway in his drink; did he know he would have sex with Shaw and impregnate her with an alien? If so, why did he do that too? Was he curious, or trying to kill Holloway? Why?

He most likely spiked Holloway's drink with the black substance under order of Peter Weyland (via communication whilst he was in cyro-sleep). It's probable that Weyland didn't name a specific crew member to test the black substance on but David seems to have a fascination with Shaw and is jealous of her boyfriend, Holloway. He chose Holloway out of spite; partially because he's jealous and partly because of the way that Holloway treats him ("boy, you're coming with us", "oh, I almost forgot; you're not a real boy").

I don't think that Holloway getting Shaw pregnant was a part of the initial plan but when Vickers killed Holloway, David knew that it was possible that he could have passed the infection on to Shaw.

If the above is not a satisfactory explanation then you can always go down the route of what was stated in 'Aliens' by Bishop (in regards to earlier models of synthetics); "they always were a bit twitchy". David holds a certain amount of disdain and resentment towards humanity but he is fascinated by the Engineers and holds a great deal of respect towards them (much like Ash did towards the Xenomorph in 'Alien').

11. Why did the infected Fifield come back to the ship to try and kill everyone?

You may as well ask 'why does the Xenomorph kill people in the 'Alien' films?'! As is evidenced by the 'Art of Prometheus' book, Fifield was being transformed into a Xeno type of creature.

Fifield had his face melted with acid.

Actually, to be more exact; Fifield had his helmet melted by acid and his face was only partially melted by acid. It was dropping face first into the black substance that "killed" him. The black substance essentially absorbs the DNA of a host and reconfigures to create a Xeno type of creature (hence the worms become the Hammerpedes).

If Holloway hadn't been torched by Vickers, then he too would have essentially morphed into a Xeno, like Fifled was (Holloways transformation was occurring at a much slower pace because he only ingested a tiny drop of the black substance).

...why did they go out and investigate Fifield’s clearly dead body (the helmet is smashed with a deadly atmosphere, and his legs are bent over his shoulders) seeing as there’s no way he could have just turned up there on his own, being dead and all.

Firstly, the crew had didn't know for sure that Fifield was dead, only that they couldn't locate him in the pyramid. The ship had no outside surveillance to see Xeno-Fifield. Janek saw that Fifield's camera turned back on (looking at the ground) and that his position was right outside of the ship. Of course they opened the garage door seeming as they had no idea of the black substances ability to transform people into killing machines at this stage.

What would you have them do?!...

JANEK: Fifield's camera's popped back on. According to his location, he's right outside of the ship.

CREW: Fuck it! Even though he must be alive and quite probably injured and in need of medical attention, let's just leave him there.

... Seriously?! You think that would have made for a better script?!

12. Why does David tell Shaw she is pregnant? If he wanted an alien specimen, surely telling her will just make her try and abort it, and if he wanted to kill her, then not telling her will result in the alien bursting through her stomach and killing her that way. Being pregnant with a baby alien was probably the last thing she was expecting, especially seeing as she was barren and had only had sex 10 hours ago and not before for 28 months.

It didn't really matter if David told Shaw that she was pregnant. The plan was to knock her out and put her into cyro-sleep, so that her "baby" could be extracted for research upon returning to Earth. All of this went according to plan, up until Shaw knocked out the two bio-suited crew members and ran away to perform a cesarean.

David later says to Shaw "I didn't think you had it in you. Sorry poor choice of words. Extraordinary survival instincts, Elizabeth." David was surprised by Shaw's actions and obviously didn't think that telling her that she was pregnant would jeopardise Weyland's plan for the creature inside of her.

Besides, seeming as the squid was growing at an exponential rate inside of her, it wouldn't have taken Shaw long to realise that something was seriously wrong.

13. After she wakes up from being sedated by David, Shaw finds it pretty easy to escape from the medics and run to Vickers’ quarters with no-one chasing her. No-one comes for the entire time she is in there.

Yes. This is something of a plot-hole.

14. After the impromptu caesarean I could have done with a scene of Shaw breaking down from the intensity of what she’d just gone through. In the past few hours she’d lost her husband, found out she was pregnant when she thought she was barren, discovered the ‘child’ was in fact a killer alien, had a caesarean whilst fully awake and watching it, had the cut literally stapled shut and then fought the creature that had just gestated inside her. I’d say that warrants a little exasperation.

That scene does occur! After Shaw makes her way from the MedPod, comes across Weyland and they have their chat; there's a moment where she breaks down in tears, in front of the mirror in her quarters. She then finds Holloway's ring left by the sink, which gives her the strength to continue.


15. Did I miss a scene where everyone on board found out about, and was cool with, Peter Weyland being on board the ship? After Shaw’s surgery the rest of the crew seems OK with him being there. It was pretty damn obvious he was going to be onboard too, seeing Guy Pearce was highly billed in the opening credits. Stop doing that kind of thing. And making Vickers his daughter is pointless, unsurprising and ridiculous.

What does Guy Pearce's name being on the credits have to do with anything?! It's not like the crew of the ship saw those credits! Stop nit-picking at stupid things. Anyway...

Peter Weyland was declared dead prior to the launch of the mission. The people in the room with him are people who were already aware of his presence on board the ship (his specially hired mercenaries and David). As for the remainder of the crew, one can assume that they are surprised at Weyland being there but we simply don't see the scene where they find out.

As for Vickers being Weyland's daughter, what's the problem with that?! Re-watching the film with this knowledge really adds depth to the earlier scenes with Vickers (e.g. her reaction to Weyland's holographic speech near the start of the film). It's called having 'interesting character interaction', for fucks sake!

16. Ripping David the android’s head off is a nice nod to Ash’s fate in Alien, but is it possible for a robot to survive one of these films? Please?

David did survive! Pay attention, moron. Also, did you not notice that Shaw takes not only David's head with her, but also his body. Obviously David is going to instruct her on how to reattach his head, so that he can fly the Juggernaut at the end of the film.

17. When Vickers and Shaw are running from the crashing spaceship, why in the name of LV426 do they not run sideways? I hate when films do this. There’s something rolling behind you in a relatively straight line, so instead of getting out of the way you decide to race it. Insane. Shaw only survives because she trips and rolls out the way. I did like that the last two alive were the two main women, just like in Alien, and similarly the blonde dies and the brunette survives.

Again, this scene is contrived. However, it's easily explainable by one thing; panic. Shaw and Vickers are running for their lives from a massive crashing ship (seriously, the Juggernaut is HUGE). It's movement is somewhat unpredictable (yes Shaw does roll out of the way - only to have the ship come crashing down the other way, on top of her) and Vickers is only glancing back to see where the ship is very briefly. She's just running for her life in panic.

I'd like to chuck a fucking great big Juggernaut at you and see how well you do at outrunning it. I bet that you'd panic and get crushed too, fool.

18. Shaw’s air supply is supposedly running out at the end of the film, yet she’s barely been away from the ship. Earlier, Fifield and Millburn were away for longer, and were expected to survive overnight when they got stranded. Yes, they were in the chambers with breathable atmosphere, but they had to keep their helmets up because it was going to get cold, so they must have had to survive on their own air supplies.

Shaw's oxygen supply was damaged when the Juggernaut fell on her (you can see the sparks fly from the suit's equipment), this is when she is informed that she only has 2 minutes of oxygen remaining. Learn to pay attention!

19. The alien that Shaw had aborted grows pretty fucking huge seeing as it’s had no organic matter to feed on other than a little blood Shaw left behind.

Oh, but the Xeno in 'Alien' growing so big in such a short time didn't bother you? Hypocrite.

However, if you want an explanation; here it is...

The squid is located in the medical room of Vicker's life-boat. There would be plenty of supplies for it to consume within that room (seeming as there's enough supplies to maintain life for 2 years).

Furthermore, we never see what happened to three or so members of the crew (e.g. Ford and the other person who were attempting to place Shaw into hyper-sleep) and yet when Shaw approaches the medical room and sees the tentacle, there's a bunch of blood on the inner walls (which she wasn't responsible for, following her operation). It's implied that a few crew members came across the growing squid and attempted to contain/kill it, only for the squid to kill and devour them!

20. At the end, Shaw is told that there are other ships. Does she check them all for surviving Engineers, or just leave in the first ship she finds?

One can assume that they checked the ship before departing for the Engineer's home-world. There's no reason for the film to show us this; it would just be 10 minutes of walking around, followed by "yep, all's clear!". The film already has enough pacing issues as it is!

I’d have much preferred that the final shot be of her silhouette, with an axe in one hand and David decapitated head in the other, heading off to take out the surviving aliens.

Good for you. However, you're not Ridley Scott and you can barely comprehend the events of a thought provoking film - so who gives a shit!

[Johro]

Don't read that if you haven't seen the movie.

As per #10, Aside from any potential spite-filled motives, David could probably tell the substance contained some sort of parasite(or not, that part doesn't really matter) and he all but asked his permission first too. He asked him how far he would go. Could they have done other tests instead? Yes, but seeing as this whole mission is based on an "invitation", and anything left there could have been meant for them, why not just go all out. It's not like David values human life above anything else(akin to Ash,a programming mistake later corrected in Bishop).

[DAISHI]

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/prometheus-culture-warrior-lpalm.php

I like this review.

[St_Eddie]

'St_Eddie's 'Prometheus' Review (YouTube)

Finally, here it is; my review of Prometheus...

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoDzlYUuJU)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCz2-tMIkrI)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFJ8WmQAw0)

[LuigiHann]

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13 Tee hee.

One thing that has grown on me, while examining scenes from the movie in my head, is that if I remember right, David speaks in the same tone of voice, and maintains more or less the same facial expression, basically throughout the whole movie. So while he seemed to come across as passive aggressive or even malicious in certain scenes, I feel like I might just have been attributing those emotions to him in the same way that one tends to imagine an ominous tone in HAL 9000's voice.

For example, David definitely comes across as very, very evil during the pregnancy scan scene. But really, if there was a crew member who just happened to be pregnant, would he have acted any differently? I don't think he would. In retrospect, he's probably following a perfectly normal protocol for handling a pregnancy on a mission like that, and the idea that he set he planned for her to get pregnant, or that he's trying to take the creature to Earth for the corporation to study, is actually just a carryover from our memories of previous Alien films. So I think that's interesting.

[puzzlebox]

I found this kind of useful/amusing, but they missed out the worms.

http://pmcmovieline.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/prometheus_infographic.jpg

[St_Eddie]

I found this kind of useful/amusing, but they missed out the worms.

The worms weren't directly linked to the creation of the Proto-Xeno (I think it's safe to say that the black substance gives all of it's "victims" acid for blood), hence why they're not included on that image.

[Secret Fawful]

How did Holloway burn to death in a carbon dioxide atmosphere?

[Johro]

There was oxygen present, the air just contained a toxic concentration of carbon dioxide.

[Secret Fawful]

Okay, thanks. I had to ask because that sort of thing isn't a strong suit in my knowledge banks.

[St_Eddie]

Prometheus. Prometheus.

You open with the seeding of life...eus.

Then cut to an android named David...eus.

Not many things rhyme with 'Prometheus'.

But I still love you, Prometheus...eus!

[MusicallyInspired]

I saw it. I loved it. The end. Screw the haters.

[St_Eddie]

I saw it. I loved it. The end. Screw the haters.

Amen, brother. I believe that the majority of the haters will see just how wrong they were in time to come. 'Prometheus' just gets better and better with each viewing. I'll gladly be the first to say "told you fucking so", once they've seen the error of their ways.

The thing that really irks me about the people ragging on the film is that they often cite the "numerous plot holes" as their main complaint (Spoony, I'm looking at you), even though those "plot holes" have perfectly reasonable explanations. It's 'LOST' all over again! Learn to pay attention and get a fucking clue before you slag off a brilliant film, fools.

[DAISHI]

I'll be the first person to say the movie can sod off.

To sum it up, when my girlfriend and I got done watching the movie, both of us looked at each other and said the movie was terrible. I nearly shouted it. It's a piece of tripe, a barely B rated sci fi garbage flick with undercooked ideas. It's also one more step in Ridley Scott's decline. When I realized he'd directed Robin Hood, life suddenly made total sense to me. I realized Scott had been turning out more garbage than hits for years.

[MusicallyInspired]

I just really think it was a well-written story that was very well-delivered. Lots of layers. The symbolism of the name Prometheus for one. The reflection of humans resenting David, a robot, who mimics humanity and the Space Jockeys resenting humanity for mimicking them. It's kind of an exploration in to the uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley) hypothesis, except with us on the receiving end instead of robots.

Everything I could possibly find fault with I eventually came up with an explanation for. It wasn't meant as a great epic, for sure. But it was just a cool movie with a great story. I wasn't expecting a horror movie. It was just great. There are more questions, but they don't necessarily need to be answered as some of them you can take a decent guess at. For instance, why did the Space Jockeys "change their minds". It's kind of obvious with what I mentioned above.

I enjoyed myself. If it's not your thing then fine, but it's not a terrible movie. It's great.

[St_Eddie]

I'll be the first person to say the movie can sod off.

To sum it up, when my girlfriend and I got done watching the movie, both of us looked at each other and said the movie was terrible. I nearly shouted it. It's a piece of tripe, a barely B rated sci fi garbage flick with undercooked ideas. It's also one more step in Ridley Scott's decline. When I realized he'd directed Robin Hood, life suddenly made total sense to me. I realized Scott had been turning out more garbage than hits for years.

Considering you despise the film so much, can I be the first person to say the obvious; you can sod off from this thread.

I bet you haven't even seen the film more than once. Ergo; opinion invalid! Okay, okay; that's a daft thing to say but you haters are so clueless and I'm sick of it! You slag off Ridley Scott; a self confessed 'visual director' and yet the last time I checked, he's still making films which look visually magnificent.

'Prometheus' is hardly a flawless masterpiece but it is a wonderful return to form for the series. I dread to think what kind of films you're into... mainstream popcorn flicks that require zero imagination or thought process no doubt.

Check out the polls and reviews for 'Prometheus' and you'll see that you haters are in the minority and yet you're the most vocal!

Go create a 'Avatar' thread or something and leave this thread to the people with good taste! Speaking of 'Avatar', I don't go on a forum dedicated to that overrated shitstorm and slag it off to fans of the film! You don't like the film? Good for you. Don't hang around, leaving snarky comments about it on a dedicated thread then!

P.S. I'm aware that the above post is rude, arrogant and elitist but like I said; SICK. OF. IT.

[MusicallyInspired]

I agree, he's being a little over the top. But he can post in this thread if he likes. It is his opinion on the movie and that's fine. Not everyone will like it. Calling it a terrible movie is a little much, in my opinion, but that doesn't deserve the same retaliation either. Let's just all be civil and discuss it. Even debate. Let's not move into pointless arguing. People like different things for different reasons and nobody's really wrong.

I feel I should say that when I said "screw the haters", it was in jest. But I will say that I don't understand the negative reactions. Maybe we just can't have sequels or prequels to older franchises simply because of nostalgia. In Daishi's case, he never did like Alien to begin with....which is why I'm wondering why he even cares about Prometheus. lol

[St_Eddie]

I agree, he's being a little over the top. But he can post in this thread if he likes. It is his opinion on the movie and that's fine. Not everyone will like it. Calling it a terrible movie is a little much, in my opinion, but that doesn't deserve the same retaliation either. Let's just all be civil and discuss it. Even debate. Let's not move into pointless arguing. People like different things for different reasons and nobody's really wrong.

I agree but you're not telling me anything I don't already know (hence why I put the 'P.S.' into my post).

In Daishi's case, he never did like Alien to begin with....which is why I'm wondering why he even cares about Prometheus. lol

:rolleyes: I said it before and I'll say it again; opinion invalid! That's not to say that he can't have an opinion but why the frak is he watching a prequel to a film he doesn't like and furthermore continually posting in a thread revolving around a prequel he doesn't like, to a film he doesn't like?! If he's going to be that stupid then he's got to expect some backlash. I'm sorry but I don't suffer fools gladly.

[DAISHI]

This is not a fan thread or adoration thread. This is a discussion thread concerning the merits of a film. Further, I'm a huge science fiction fan. I'm a product of Heinlein, Dick, LeGuin, Herbert, Bradbury, Clarke and Asimov. I wanted to see a good movie that seemed to have strong sci fi elements, with the potential for horror.

Lastly, if a person needs to be a fan of previous movies to appreciate the current one, then the movie already has shaky merits. Furthermore I never said Alien was a bad movie. It's a good movie. Prometheus is a bad one.

[Alcoremortis]

I bet you haven't even seen the film more than once. Ergo; opinion invalid!

I just gotta say... if one didn't like a film the first time... why the hell would that person go see it a second time? Film is just one of those things were first impressions are everything.

[Secret Fawful]

Well there are a few reasons.

1. Wondering if you missed something the first time around to add to the film's merits.
2. If you went in the first time with a bad impression or expecting something else.
3. If you're bullied into having to like it or be considered an idiot for the rest of your days, the way Dashing and Tope did with me on Citizen Kane over a year ago. (A Fawful never forgets)
4. If you think you understand the film differently now and might like it upon a second viewing (currently have this impression of 2001: A Space Odyssey, and happened six times in a row or so with Blade Runner)
5. For cheap entertainment. (The Room)

[St_Eddie]

Ohhh! I love a bit of controversy.

First impressions of 'Alien'...
"It is depressing to watch an expensive, crafty movie that never soars beyond its cold desire to score the big bucks.


First impressions of 'Blade Runner'...
"...a hopelessly overrated piece of work."

[Alcoremortis]

Well there are a few reasons.

1. Wondering if you missed something the first time around to add to the film's merits.
2. If you went in the first time with a bad impression or expecting something else.
3. If you're bullied into having to like it or be considered an idiot for the rest of your days, the way Dashing and Tope did with me on Citizen Kane over a year ago. (A Fawful never forgets)
4. If you think you understand the film differently now and might like it upon a second viewing (currently have this impression of 2001: A Space Odyssey, and happened six times in a row or so with Blade Runner)
5. For cheap entertainment. (The Room)

My point was rather that if a movie takes two or more viewings to appreciate, it isn't doing its job as a movie. Most people won't watch a movie multiple times to see if there was some merit that they missed the first time around. I know I wouldn't. If I didn't like it the first time, I would not want to waste my time looking for enjoyment that might not be there.

Unless, of course, there's some external source telling me to do so.

[Secret Fawful]

My point was rather that if a movie takes two or more viewings to appreciate, it isn't doing its job as a movie.

A year and a half ago I may have agreed, because I used to say the same thing, but now I don't. You know that really pretentious thing that people say when they say "you just don't get it"? Sometimes that's really true. There have just been some movies that didn't deserve for me to dislike them because I didn't get what made them good. I was looking at them the wrong way.

Does Prometheus deserve the hate? Yes, I think it does. Because Ridley didn't put out a complete movie. Therefore, as an incomplete film it deserves to be bashed. But is it a bad movie? There is no way that can be judged because it's incomplete. Until the director's cut comes out restoring the movie to it's original length, I can't make a judgment at all. Do I like the movie and see plenty of potential? Yes. Absolutely.

Movies like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly have taught me that just a few seconds to a few minutes of screentime can change everything about a movie, and everything about its story and characters. In a skillfully done movie, a million things can be conveyed with one small scene. Prometheus is poorly edited and chopped apart. Extremely important segments were cut, such as an entire conversation between David and the Engineer.

[St_Eddie]

My point was rather that if a movie takes two or more viewings to appreciate, it isn't doing its job as a movie.

Well then, let's just write off 'Blade Runner' and '2001' as being shit heaps then, shall we? It's not like those two "masterpieces" are worth a single shit! If you can't appreciate their genius in a single sitting, then I guess you might as well declare them as being moribund!

Most people won't watch a movie multiple times to see if there was some merit that they missed the first time around. I know I wouldn't.

Sad. Very sad. I don't disagree with you but I do find it very sad. Since when did art become disposable?

A year and a half ago I may have agreed, because I used to say the same thing, but now I don't. You know that really pretentious thing that people say when they say "you just don't get it"? Sometimes that's really true. There have just been some movies that didn't deserve for me to dislike them because I didn't get what made them good. I was looking at them the wrong way.

Does Prometheus deserve the hate? Yes, I think it does. Because Ridley didn't put out a complete movie. Therefore, as an incomplete film it deserves to be bashed. But is it a bad movie? There is no way that can be judged because it's incomplete. Until the director's cut comes out restoring the movie to it's original length, I can't make a judgment at all. Do I like the movie and see plenty of potential? Yes. Absolutely.

Movies like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly have taught me that just a few seconds to a few minutes of screentime can change everything about a movie, and everything about its story and characters. In a skillfully done movie, a million things can be conveyed with one small scene. Prometheus is poorly edited and chopped apart. Extremely important segments were cut, such as an entire conversation between David and the Engineer.

I couldn't agree more if I tried. Well said Sir, well said.

[Alcoremortis]

Well then, let's just write off 'Blade Runner' and '2001' as being shitl then, shall we? It's not like those two "masterpieces" are worth a single shit! If you can't appropriate their genius in a single sitting, then I guess you might as well declare them as being moribund!

I would say there's a difference between needing two viewings to understand a movie and two viewings to like a movie. If you hate a movie the first time, there's very little incentive to watch it again. If you don't understand a movie, there's a very large incentive to watch the movie again. Has nothing to do with whether that movie was good or bad, it's more of a thing with personal taste.

Saying that you have to watch a movie twice to like it is akin to saying you have to play the first hundred hours of a game before it gets good. Granted the time commitment is not comparable, but that's what it feels like from an outside perspective.

[DAISHI]

A year and a half ago I may have agreed, because I used to say the same thing, but now I don't. You know that really pretentious thing that people say when they say "you just don't get it"? Sometimes that's really true. There have just been some movies that didn't deserve for me to dislike them because I didn't get what made them good. I was looking at them the wrong way.

Does Prometheus deserve the hate? Yes, I think it does. Because Ridley didn't put out a complete movie. Therefore, as an incomplete film it deserves to be bashed. But is it a bad movie? There is no way that can be judged because it's incomplete. Until the director's cut comes out restoring the movie to it's original length, I can't make a judgment at all. Do I like the movie and see plenty of potential? Yes. Absolutely.

Movies like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly have taught me that just a few seconds to a few minutes of screentime can change everything about a movie, and everything about its story and characters. In a skillfully done movie, a million things can be conveyed with one small scene. Prometheus is poorly edited and chopped apart. Extremely important segments were cut, such as an entire conversation between David and the Engineer.

I would actually like to see a Director'sCut. Under such circumstances, I would watch it agin. Heaven knows it makes a difference in Blade Runner.

[St_Eddie]

I would say there's a difference between needing two viewings to understand a movie and two viewings to like a movie. If you hate a movie the first time, there's very little incentive to watch it again. If you don't understand a movie, there's a very large incentive to watch the movie again. Has nothing to do with whether that movie was good or bad, it's more of a thing with personal taste.

Saying that you have to watch a movie twice to like it is akin to saying you have to play the first hundred hours of a game before it gets good. Granted the time commitment is not comparable, but that's what it feels like from an outside perspective.

I hear what you're saying and to an extent, I agree. However, the simple fact is that many of the "haters" will change their tune in time; just as they did with 'Alien' and just as they did with 'Blade Runner'. I have already seen this 'switch o' opinion' occur within the 'Prometheus' forums upon which I frequent.

Some films simply require multiple viewings to be truly appreciated. If you fail to share this sentiment; then I pity you. Surely such an admission would be tantamount to general ignorance; or are you that sure of every snap judgement that you've made within your life?

[Secret Fawful]

I would say there's a difference between needing two viewings to understand a movie and two viewings to like a movie.
While there is a difference, oftentimes the two go hand in hand.

I would actually like to see a Director'sCut. Under such circumstances, I would watch it agin. Heaven knows it makes a difference in Blade Runner.

Exactly. I am not a fan of the theatrical or workprint versions of Blade Runner, but the FINAL CUT on the other hand is a far superior movie to countless sci-fi films that exist.

[Alcoremortis]

I hear what you're saying and to an extent, I agree. However, the simple fact is that many of the "haters" will change their tune in time; just as they did with 'Alien' and just as they did with 'Blade Runner'. I have already seen this 'switch o' opinionr' occur within the 'Alien' forums upon which I frequent.

Some films simply require multiple viewings to truly appreciate. If you fail to share this sentiment; then I pity you. Surely such an admission would be tantamount to general ignorance; or are you that sure of every judgement you've made within your life?

Well, I guess the thing here is that I haven't really ever disliked a movie generally regarded as a good film. I have grown to appreciate movies more with multiple viewings, but the difference is that I kinda liked it the first time, and then liked it more after more viewings. This is different than not liking it at all and being told to subject oneself to that again without a reason other than it takes two viewings to get good. I feel a movie should have something that makes you want to see it again the first time you watch it, not rely on a second viewing to make it bearable or good. Either that, or the insistence to watch it a second time should come with some sort of reason why a second viewing makes all the difference.

And watching a director's cut afterwards and liking that more is a very different thing than needing to watch the same movie twice. Because a director's cut is essentially a different film with different scenes.

I feel like a broken record here, but first impressions really are everything. I should also mention that I haven't seen Prometheus and my views aren't directed at that film at all, just at movies in general. Actually, at media in general.

[Yet another edit] I wouldn't say the decision to dislike a film is a snap judgement either. I didn't dislike Avatar wholly and completely until a week afterwards once I'd fully categorized the things about the film that constituted my lackluster feeling after emerging from the theater. I reviewed the movie in my mind (which is kinda like watching it again except that I could fast forward to the areas that evoked my displeasure and not have to pay for another theater ticket) and then decided I did not want to see the movie again, unless it would be for the purpose of making fun of it.

While there is a difference, oftentimes the two go hand in hand.

Well, I suppose sometimes they do. But I've found that I don't always have to understand something in order to like it. I didn't understand Citizen Kane until I thought about it for awhile (actually, I probably still don't understand it), but I still liked the film immediately because it was aesthetically gorgeous and the kind of "doomed protagonist" story that I quite enjoy.

[MusicallyInspired]

Actually, I thought Blade Runner was terrible. But I was younger when I watched it. I just thought everything was stupid. Nothing sucked me in. My mom really hated it. My dad loved it. I might give it another go one day, but when I think about it now I'm just like "ugh...no". They're right, first impressions are everything.

[Johro]

It's really the atmosphere, both physical and emotional. If the visuals, the desperation, the journey of understanding another point of view don't draw you in, I could totally understand not liking it. Blade Runner is definitely one of those movies that either reaches out to you, or it doesn't.

[St_Eddie]

Whether one appreciates 'Prometheus' or not is largely irrelevant. My previous comments, as discourteous in nature as they may be, are intended to be taken with a large portion of 'facetious salad'. Seriously; dollop a gigantic gollop of facetious source on your chips of judgement and tuck in!
YUM YUM

Mmm, that's good facetiousness!

[St_Eddie]

A great flash animation riff on the med pod scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzGYbdcSRI&feature=player_embedded

[DAISHI]

Rise from the grave! and witness this HI-LAR-I-OUS questioning of Prometheus (it really is funny): http://youtu.be/-x1YuvUQFJ0

[Secret Fawful]

While hilarious, a lot of those have explanations.

[St_Eddie]

I Was Wrong, I Was So Wrong!
My Re-evaluation of 'Prometheus'

What was I thinking when I defended this movie so vehemently?! I can only rationalise that I was in denial and didn't want to face up to the fact that Ridley Scott has made not only a bad science fiction film (after the groundbreaking 'Alien' and Blade Runner') but also a piss poor movie set in the 'Alien' universe.

There's no denying that the movie is gorgeous to behold from a visual standpoint but the script is a fucking mess. How on Earth (or LV-223) did Ridley Scott decide that hodge-podge of different ideas ,from different drafts, from different writers was worthy of going into production?!

To be fair there are moments of greatness but you have to wade through a river of shit to get to them. Also, the final shot of the proto-xeno is a fucking disgrace that belongs in one of the appalling 'Alien Vs Predator' movies (in fact, it's disturbingly similar to the closing shot from the first 'AVP' movie).

The original 'Alien' is a masterpiece of cinema and despite it's B-movie origins, is elevated to being pure art via it's phenomenal execution of a relatively schlocky premise. 'Alien' is an intelligent film. 'Prometheus' is a dodgy popcorn munching movie.

What a shame.

My Adjusted Final Verdict
4/10 - A turd. A beautiful shining turd but a turd none the less. It's like the old saying goes; you can't polish a turd.

[MusicallyInspired]

Still liked it.

[Secret Fawful]

Peer pressure get to ya, Ed? In the words of you, Ah still loik Pro-mee-phthf-eus oak-eye ee-noaf. I don't really want to revisit it, though.

[St_Eddie]

Peer pressure get to ya, Ed?

You could say that, yes. My friends tied me down to a chair and beat me with baseball bats engraved with the image of an Engineer, until I admitted that the movie is shit.

In the words of you, Ah still loik Pro-mee-phthf-eus oak-eye ee-noaf.

Uh-huhhhh. Yeah because I really sound like that. :rolleyes:

[DAISHI]

I need me some directors cut.

[St_Eddie]

I need me some directors cut.

It would solve so many of the film's problems. In fact I have the perfect fan edit mapped out on paper. If I had the time and resources to put it together, I would.

[Secret Fawful]

Uh-huhhhh. Yeah because I really sound like that. :rolleyes:

Hey, if you don't want the movie or the detailed figure of the Engineer anymore, I'll take it. Just clean the case first, please.

[St_Eddie]

Hey, if you don't want the movie or the detailed figure of the Engineer anymore, I'll take it. Just clean the case first, please.

Okay, it's a deal.

Good idea on cleaning the case first though. It's sticky and smells of salt (from when I loved it) and of fecal matter (from when I realised that I hated it).

[thestalkinghead]

if only they had decided to just make one film and set it as a direct prequel to alien the film may have worked (ignoring the billions spent on pathetic archeology "science" and the medical chair with no female setting and how staples fix everything) if the film had ended with the engineer sitting in his chair then an alien pops out if his chest Exactly matching what the guys in the alien film found it would have been a bit better.

but actually they would have needed to re-do everything that involved the stupid crew and replace them with normal intelligent people.

or if the film was entirely about the experiences of david, Michael Fassbender was the best part of that film

[St_Eddie]

...or if the film was entirely about the experiences of david, Michael Fassbender was the best part of that film

The part near the beginning of the film (where David is alone on board the ship) is easily the best part of the whole movie. That short sequence matches up to the quality of 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner'. If they'd just had the whole film be about that it could have been great, with a sort of 'Silent Running' type of vibe.

[thestalkinghead]

The part near the beginning of the film (where David is alone on board the ship) is easily the best part of the whole movie. That short sequence matches up to the quality of 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner'. If they'd just had the whole film be about that it could have been great, with a sort of 'Silent Running' type of vibe.

yeah i think david is the only mysterious/ambiguous part that isn't just ridiculous


I Was Wrong, I Was So Wrong!
My Re-evaluation of 'Prometheus'

What was I thinking when I defended this movie so vehemently?! I can only rationalise that I was in denial and didn't want to face up to the fact that Ridley Scott has made not only a bad science fiction film (after the groundbreaking 'Alien' and Blade Runner') but also a piss poor movie set in the 'Alien' universe.

There's no denying that the movie is gorgeous to behold from a visual standpoint but the script is a fucking mess. How on Earth (or LV-223) did Ridley Scott decide that hodge-podge of different ideas ,from different drafts, from different writers was worthy of going into production?!

To be fair there are moments of greatness but you have to wade through a river of shit to get to them. Also, the final shot of the proto-xeno is a fucking disgrace that belongs in one of the appalling 'Alien Vs Predator' movies (in fact, it's disturbingly similar to the closing shot from the first 'AVP' movie).

The original 'Alien' is a masterpiece of cinema and despite it's B-movie origins, is elevated to being pure art via it's phenomenal execution of a relatively schlocky premise. 'Alien' is an intelligent film. 'Prometheus' is a dodgy popcorn munching movie.

What a shame.

My Adjusted Final Verdict
4/10 - A turd. A beautiful shining turd but a turd none the less. It's like the old saying goes; you can't polish a turd.

just watched your video review, maybe you could make a new review now you have changed your mind

[GuruGuru214]

It's like the old saying goes; you can't polish a turd.

Actually, Mythbusters proved that you can polish a turd to a beautiful shine, and without much difficulty, either. Plus, your fan edit sounds contradictory to the saying as well.

[St_Eddie]

just watched your video review, maybe you could make a new review now you have changed your mind

It's on the list of things to do. It's a long list though, so I should have it done by 2017!

Actually, Mythbusters proved that you can polish a turd to a beautiful shine, and without much difficulty, either. Plus, your fan edit sounds contradictory to the saying as well.

A good point well made, Sir.

By the way, I saw that episode of 'Mythbusters' as well. :D

[DAISHI]

The part near the beginning of the film (where David is alone on board the ship) is easily the best part of the whole movie. That short sequence matches up to the quality of 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner'. If they'd just had the whole film be about that it could have been great, with a sort of 'Silent Running' type of vibe.

That part was so promising

[St_Eddie]

A must see animation featuring the space jockey from 'Alien'. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzvtGBGjvd4)