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z0mbi3jesuz
04/25/2012, 12:41 pm
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that Irene didn't want to become a zombie because it wasn't 'christian like' but committed suicide?
WabbitTwaks
04/25/2012, 12:42 pm
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that Irene didn't want to become a zombie because it wasn't 'christian like' but committed suicide?
Glad to see I wasn't the only one who found that odd. lol
Edit: Would have made more sense had she requested Lee to kill her. I would have done it for her too.
Sandman77
04/25/2012, 01:03 pm
aye
BlankCanvasDJ
04/25/2012, 01:22 pm
Not all Christians consider suicide to be a mortal sin - especially in extreme circumstances. Even the idea of a mortal sin is mostly a Catholic thing. Besides, even if she did think it was a sin, she thought the zombies were literally satanic so she was choosing the lesser of the two evils.
Chillforce
04/25/2012, 01:52 pm
Glad to see I wasn't the only one who found that odd. lol
Edit: Would have made more sense had she requested Lee to kill her. I would have done it for her too.
She does make that request if you make the correct choices. Normal Christianity fluctuates in a matter of grey area. There are a lot of them that don't believe that suicide is a sin or at least that it is unforgiveable.
Personally I don't mind being undead one bit. Get it? Bit.
WabbitTwaks
04/25/2012, 01:54 pm
She does make that request if you make the correct choices. Normal Christianity fluctuates in a matter of grey area. There are a lot of them that don't believe that suicide is a sin or at least that it is unforgiveable.
Personally I don't mind being undead one bit. Get it? Bit.
Yeah... We get it :rolleyes: lol
CapnJay
05/01/2012, 06:31 pm
How do you get to kill her yourself so she doesn't commit the sin of suicide?
toogapaten
05/01/2012, 06:53 pm
i kinda thought it was a poke at how hypocritical Christians can be sometimes
CapnJay
05/01/2012, 08:15 pm
I feel bad for her I wish i could have shot her so she could die clear of conscience although assisted suicide is still suicide
WabbitTwaks
05/01/2012, 08:59 pm
although assisted suicide is still suicide
So, I guess it really is the thought that counts, huh? lol
CapnJay
05/01/2012, 09:44 pm
So, I guess it really is the thought that counts, huh? lol
Yeah... Still i'd rather shoot her then have her die of suicide.
CapnJay
05/02/2012, 04:04 pm
ok replayed it again there is no way to do the deed yourself
Cpt. Sqweky
05/02/2012, 04:45 pm
i kinda thought it was a poke at how hypocritical Christians can be sometimes
Because Christians are the only people who are ever hypocritical... :rolleyes:
WARP10CK
05/02/2012, 05:09 pm
I just love how Glenn responds : You have a boyfriend ? (disapointed look) LOL
vaeiou
05/02/2012, 08:05 pm
Yeah, I caught onto that. I guess that part of Glenn conforms with the graphic novel where he's slightly desperate for women.
zenstrata
05/02/2012, 08:07 pm
She obviously didn't pray enough or the zombie apocalypse would never have happened.
Magic Emperor
05/02/2012, 10:14 pm
I also found it odd how an adult woman had zero knowledge about batteries. And "I can't reach for that brick" was a huge stretch for me, too...
divisionten
05/02/2012, 10:36 pm
I also found it odd how an adult woman had zero knowledge about batteries. And "I can't reach for that brick" was a huge stretch for me, too...
Brick was larger than holes in the metal grate. He could reach it, but it certainly couldn't have been pulled through. And I've gotten one of my hands stuck in those things. Painful and difficult to get out. A saw was required. Nobody would want to risk that.
Magic Emperor
05/02/2012, 11:06 pm
Really? I'd have to play again, because I don't remember the brick being larger than the hole. But if that's the case, my mistake.
... The batteries, though, is still a valid criticism. *cough*
ill_jc
05/05/2012, 07:55 am
:spoil-o: i don't know how to hide text so i put this sentence to avoid it coming up in the post preview.
Did anybody find it odd that Irene said becoming a walker was unchristian and they were satanic but then she wanted to/did kill herself??
She's taking the elevator to the ground floor!
big-augen
05/05/2012, 08:09 am
:spoil-o: i don't know how to hide text so i put this sentence to avoid it coming up in the post preview.
Did anybody find it odd that Irene said becoming a walker was unchristian and they were satanic but then she wanted to/did kill herself??
She's taking the elevator to the ground floor!
christian != christian
Gman5852
05/05/2012, 08:14 am
:spoil-o: i don't know how to hide text so i put this sentence to avoid it coming up in the post preview.
Did anybody find it odd that Irene said becoming a walker was unchristian and they were satanic but then she wanted to/did kill herself??
She's taking the elevator to the ground floor!
Well she thought zombies were satanic, while suicide is just a sin. That is probably why.
And for future reference
to hide text
[ /SPOILER] minus that space in the /spoiler tag
[SPOILER]see
Milosuperspesh
05/05/2012, 09:59 am
already posted by someone else you should check before posting ;)
like using the search button or looking...with ctrl f
WabbitTwaks
05/05/2012, 02:00 pm
already posted by someone else you should check before posting ;)
like using the search button or looking...with ctrl f
Now, now. Don't be mean. Nobody searches before posting. This is a universal constant.
CapnJay
05/05/2012, 02:08 pm
True Enough i created a predictions thread that got merged with an episode 2 predictions thread despite it being predictions for the whole season
Milosuperspesh
05/05/2012, 04:02 pm
i was being as polite as possible !! if blunt lol
WabbitTwaks
05/05/2012, 06:41 pm
True Enough i created a predictions thread that got merged with an episode 2 predictions thread despite it being predictions for the whole season
I hear ya, Cap. I had what I thought was a great post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=604338&postcount=15) explaining the reasons behind our having only limited decisions. In less than 1 minute it got moved and buried in the limited choices thread. *sigh* Mods and their movin' stuffs. Sheesh. (Don't any Mods get yur panties inna wad. I'm just goofin'!;))
Hey, perhaps we can get one to rename the Ep 2 predictions thread to include anything after it too. Something like, "Episode 2 Predictions.. and beyond!!":D ...or something... hehe
CapnJay
05/05/2012, 07:10 pm
I hear ya, Cap. I had what I thought was a great post (http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=604338&postcount=15) explaining the reasons behind our having only limited decisions. In less than 1 minute it got moved and buried in the limited choices thread. *sigh* Mods and their movin' stuffs. Sheesh. (Don't any Mods get yur panties inna wad. I'm just goofin'!;))
Hey, perhaps we can get one to rename the Ep 2 predictions thread to include anything after it too. Something like, "Episode 2 Predictions.. and beyond!!":D ...or something... hehe
indeed
Milosuperspesh
05/06/2012, 07:07 am
probably be better just to have an individual episode discussion that way people know whats in that thread otherwise we could confuse people with future episodes and if they all in one things could bet messy and the thread would be VERY long and newcomers may not have the patience to read through 10+ pages
engeldestodes
06/07/2012, 01:49 pm
Don't remember her name, but I distinctly remember her saying, "Being one of those things, It's not Christian."
How can she say this while simultaneously asking you to give her a gun to commit the 'ultimate sin' ?
Always bothered me since the first play through. Maybe get a more well versed writing staff?
I'm not religious, just seems really odd. :confused:
ZacTB
06/07/2012, 01:54 pm
There's not really an explanation, but I guess maybe to her it's better than turning into a zombie.
Milosuperspesh
06/07/2012, 01:56 pm
Don't remember her name, but I distinctly remember her saying, "Being one of those things, It's not Christian."
How can she say this while simultaneously asking you to give her a gun to commit the 'ultimate sin' ?
Always bothered me since the first play through. Maybe get a more well versed writing staff?
I'm not religious, just seems really odd. :confused:
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mod's merged it :)
so next time how about using a search for it or just scroll down the thread list ?
as for your post your not religous you call it the ultimate sin ?
there are different sides to christianity and ttg didn't really make which party she belonged too.
yes sucide is bad for the soul but she does say she'd rather do it her self than comeback as one of the satanic creatures aka walkers..
Welcome to the forums :D
Milosuperspesh
06/07/2012, 02:05 pm
odd thing is you can see the brick but lee won't even give it a glance even though it's right in front of him....untill you open the gate...
new thread time just got an idea :D
Milosuperspesh
06/07/2012, 02:08 pm
Yeah, I caught onto that. I guess that part of Glenn conforms with the graphic novel where he's slightly desperate for women.
yeah i reckon anyone would think 'desperate' in a zombie outbreak and then going for maggie...she's a looker but a bit to nutty for me...
and doing it in a pharmacy shop front hell to the no...
engeldestodes
06/07/2012, 02:08 pm
' Irene ' already has 2 threads up
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29819
and
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29354
mod's it's merge time again ;)
so next time how about using a search for it or just scroll down the thread list ?
as for your post your not religous you call it the ultimate sin ?
there are different sides to christianity and ttg didn't really make which party she belonged too.
yes sucide is bad for the soul but she does say she'd rather do it her self than comeback as one of the satanic creatures aka walkers..
Welcome to the forums :D
You're correct. I was too lazy, but alas, the common forum browser. As for the 'ultimate sin' comment, I've been surrounded by practicing Christians my whole life, and that's all I ever heard it was. But I'll leave it to the scholar I guess. Still, just confusing dialogue IMO if she's claiming to be Christian.
Milosuperspesh
06/07/2012, 02:36 pm
You're correct. I was too lazy, but alas, the common forum browser. As for the 'ultimate sin' comment, I've been surrounded by practicing Christians my whole life, and that's all I ever heard it was. But I'll leave it to the scholar I guess. Still, just confusing dialogue IMO if she's claiming to be Christian.
yes, i am a christian church of england/anglican i think lol
any one here an evangelist ?
CapnJay
06/07/2012, 02:40 pm
I'm not sure what classification I am but I would have {If I had the choice} Escorted Irene back into the room. Let her lay down on the bed. Say a prayer for her put the gun to her head and pull the trigger blowing her brains out then tuck her in and leave.
Milosuperspesh
06/07/2012, 02:52 pm
tuck her in and leave.
Aww bless how sweet of you ;) +1 our queen is proud of your respect
Skitz
06/07/2012, 06:25 pm
You're correct. I was too lazy, but alas, the common forum browser. As for the 'ultimate sin' comment, I've been surrounded by practicing Christians my whole life, and that's all I ever heard it was. But I'll leave it to the scholar I guess. Still, just confusing dialogue IMO if she's claiming to be Christian.
As a Baptist Christian for 5 years going I've always been told the ultimate/unforgivable sin is along the lines of saying God does not exist, and never has
CapnJay
06/07/2012, 06:31 pm
Aww bless how sweet of you ;) +1 our queen is proud of your respect
I'm sure i'm not the only one who felt this way
Roody
06/07/2012, 07:00 pm
As a Baptist Christian for 5 years going I've always been told the ultimate/unforgivable sin is along the lines of saying God does not exist, and never has
i think most humens will be going to hell then least it will be warm for us :D.
Ya know what i find ironic?
:spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o:
One of the lines kenny says when you 1st enter the drug store is " we atchley like helping people" oh did i lol tho didn't think shawn would find it funny tho :/.
Skitz
06/07/2012, 07:13 pm
i think most humens will be going to hell then least it will be warm for us :D.
Ya know what i find ironic?
:spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o::spoil-o:
One of the lines kenny says when you 1st enter the drug store is " we atchley like helping people" oh did i lol tho didn't think shawn would find it funny tho :/.
Not to mention when talking to Katjaa at Herschel's she says that just passed people who needed help when driving out of atlanta
CapnJay
06/07/2012, 07:20 pm
Not to mention when talking to Katjaa at Herschel's she says that just passed people who needed help when driving out of atlanta
don't forget "Over Some we just kept driving"
ommmnomnomnom
06/08/2012, 04:25 am
If you are religious and commit suicide you go to hell because of the pain you cause everyone else...so yeah if she believed in hell, she's there hahahahahaha
Hell is so lovely this time of year, the rivers of lava in full flow, the shades floating by carelessly, satan on his mountain of skulls, ahhhh heavenly
On that subject, we share the same elements of which are found across the universe(not all of them though) therefore we are birthed from the universe, due to creation (living or material) can only occur using those same elements (be it carbon for humans or sodium and chlorine for salt) so are we the universe given conscience due to the fact we are the universe and the universe is us.
trueblue43
06/08/2012, 04:44 am
If you are religious and commit suicide you go to hell because of the pain you cause everyone else...so yeah if she believed in hell, she's there hahahahahaha
Not everyone goes to hell some go to purgatory so that they can reflected on there sin. After a suitable time there they are then let into heaven.
iMuzzaa
06/08/2012, 04:53 am
Not everyone goes to hell some go to purgatory so that they can reflected on there sin. After a suitable time there they are then let into heaven.
And you know this because you've been there before, right?
Astro Boy
06/08/2012, 05:12 am
I'm not sure what classification I am but I would have {If I had the choice} Escorted Irene back into the room. Let her lay down on the bed. Say a prayer for her put the gun to her head and pull the trigger blowing her brains out then tuck her in and leave.
I must be the only one who thought this comment was wierd and creepy lol.
CapnJay
06/08/2012, 06:41 am
And you know this because you've been there before, right?
In the words of bobby singer "dont be an idjit"
trueblue43
06/08/2012, 12:04 pm
And you know this because you've been there before, right?
No never been there was taught in school that if you believe in Heaven and Hell then you must believe in purgatory. if killing someone sends you to hell and living a good christian life you go to heaven then those that do not murder but do commit sins will go to purgatory. Killing yourself is a mortal sin so you go to purgatory. also taught that god is forgiving.
steross1981
06/10/2012, 07:25 am
Im liking the religious debate tone this thread is taking but I like the supernatural reference more. Long live Bobby...err......Ghost Bobby. And Astro Boy you are not alone :D
CapnJay
06/10/2012, 09:34 am
I must be the only one who thought this comment was wierd and creepy lol.
I'm creepy? http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/sex_comics/astroboy4.jpg
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/sex_comics/astroboy3.jpg
steross1981
06/11/2012, 02:38 am
I'm creepy? http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/sex_comics/astroboy4.jpg
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/sex_comics/astroboy3.jpg
Ye that looks just so wrong. a bit like krytens hose thingy haha
Milosuperspesh
06/11/2012, 05:20 am
Ye that looks just so wrong. a bit like krytens hose thingy haha
kryten does it with style though... and is funny...
ADavidson
06/11/2012, 08:29 pm
King Saul killed himself, and although he was rebellious towards the end and did some bad things, was still God's anointed King of Israel. David refused to kill him when he had chances, and even had a soldier slain that claimed to have killed him(He thought boasting of it would gain him favor with David's "enemy") because it was God's chosen King. And yet, it is fairly widely believed that Saul will be resurrected. Of course, if he hadn't killed himself, he would have been raped and killed slowly by the Phillistines.
Romans 6:23 says the Wages sin pays is death. Basically, when you die, your sins are forgiven. We all have a chance to atone for such sins in the resurrection. Nowhere in the Bible is hellfire, eternal torture and punishment supported. What kind of God would do that to people? Not mine.
Sorry, I don't wanna get too far in a religious discussion on here, some people don't like it and I don't wanna get banned lol PM me if wanted, I've studied hebrew and greek scripture for 15yrs pretty in-depth. So many lies in so many churches today, mostly to keep members paying them money, "Tickling their ears" so to speak.
CapnJay
06/11/2012, 08:34 pm
Well when talking about religion all i have to say is this. God told Moses to take revenge on the midianites Moses told his men to rape the virgins and kill the men and non virgins. Is moses in heaven?
But this is about poor Irene
ADavidson
06/11/2012, 08:49 pm
Sorry, God never told his people to RAPE anyone. They were to take vengeance, kill men women and children as humanely as possible, BECAUSE of the midianite women seducing many of the men of Israel.
Also, no Moses is not in heaven. Noone before Christ died is in heaven, they have an earthly resurrection hope. Only a chosen number of people go to heaven at all, and it is to "Rule as kings and priests over the earth"(Rev 5:10)
Psalm 37:10,11,29 says the meek will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it. God's purpose when he created Adam and Eve was for them to live forever in the garden of Eden, expanding that garden over the whole earth. Until Satan through a wrench in things. That doesn't mean God's purpose changed, that's why Jesus came to earth as ransom sacrifice, for all sins to be forgiven upon death.
Study it enough, and it all makes sense lol
You're drawing me further into this discussion ;op
CapnJay
06/11/2012, 08:59 pm
So Moses took some Liberties with Gods Commands. wouldn't be the last time someone twisted the word of god for their own desires
ADavidson
06/11/2012, 09:06 pm
lol it's so true that so many do that. I believe the Bible was inspired by God himself and the truth is in it, so I still don't think Moses or the nation of Israel did that. They did do a LOT of bad things but those are actually recorded in the Bible. Eventually they lost their favor as a nation because of rejecting their own messiah.
Today tho for sure. Wars fought, plenty of rape/child abuse/money taken all in the name of religion. Sickening, and I can see why a lot of people want nothing to do with "Christianity", AND why so many people don't believe in God. It's sad but understandable.
CapnJay
06/11/2012, 09:08 pm
God himself in the bible if portrayed as an entity whose concept of time is massive to ours so technically when comparing old and new testament you can say BiPolar people are created in gods image :)
Duck Zombie
06/11/2012, 09:10 pm
Do you think that those horrors are committed more today than in the past when religion was more prevalent in society?
CapnJay
06/11/2012, 09:16 pm
Do you think that those horrors are committed more today than in the past when religion was more prevalent in society?
In the past 40 percent of children were sexually abused by their family or others. 5 percent of society knew about it. today 40 percent of children are sexually abused 90 percent of society know about it. The statistics on the abuse haven't changed we're just more aware now.
ADavidson
06/11/2012, 09:26 pm
I think mainstream religion as a whole has always been corrupt, but there have always been true followers who actually delve into the scriptures, find the truth, and follow what God says they should do. The problem is when you put power into one persons' hands. When one person in a religion tells everyone else "what the Bible says" and they stop actually studying it for themselves. That is why we have thousands of different so-called "Christian" religions. If they all actually studied the Bible, looked up the meaning of the original words used, translated based on context and cross-referencing, and followed what they found, we would only have one religion. But people are lazy, just looking for an easy way out(Or in lol) so they go to church on Sunday, pay some money to be told what they want to hear, then go out drinking and fornicating the rest of the week.
I'm not judging anyone, in fact I don't even expect to be passed through apocalypse if I'm alive when it happens. I just see the world for what it is. Ever since the death of Jesus and the apostles, organized Christianity has split, taken on false doctrines and false worship/worship of idols and images, and deviated from the path.
Duck Zombie
06/11/2012, 09:58 pm
In the past 40 percent of children were sexually abused by their family or others. 5 percent of society knew about it. today 40 percent of children are sexually abused 90 percent of society know about it. The statistics on the abuse haven't changed we're just more aware now.
So because we're more connected with information in this era our faith takes a hit when we hear of all the tragedies, but we also get to learn about people who inspire so why doesn't it average out? Why do the bad things seem to have more power to turn people away than good has to draw them closer?
WW2 is the last time the major world stood together, and I kinda feel like Winston Churchill, and Franklin Roosevelt were the last great leaders; society slowly lost faith after them. Great men who could inspire faith
WW2 is the last time the major world stood together, and I kinda feel like Winston Churchill, and Franklin Roosevelt were the last great leaders; society slowly lost faith after them. Great men who could inspire faith
I wouldn't say that. I've always respected Truman. He made one of the toughest calls someone could make in the presidency, and held himself accountable on his actions.
Granted, that was still in WW2, but if you look around, you can find quite a few inspirational people even now to rally behind- great men that can inspire great deeds. It's just a matter of searching.
FriarDawg
06/13/2012, 01:04 pm
The problem about talking religion is that religion is not a God made concept, it is a man made concept. The word religion come from the Latin meaning to bind back or to bind up. Essentially is man's attempt to bind themselves to God. The Bible teaches that it is God that pursued people through Jesus Christ. The Old and the New Testament both point to Jesus being the fulfillment of God's plan to bring people into a relationship with Him.
People do all kinds of crazy things in the name of religion, so it is a good thing that following Christ in not about religion.
ADavidson
06/14/2012, 06:44 am
+1 So true FriarDawg
Of course, the New Testament also says not to "forsake the gathering of ourselves together", that is, our spiritual brothers and sisters as God's children. So we're encouraged to meet together to encourage each other and make each other better ministers of Christ. Essentially what the world views as a "Religion". In the Old Testament God had the nation of Israel as his people, and those who didn't follow him as he saw fit were cut off. In Jesus' day the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as messiah, so the nation lost God's favor. Now people of all nations are called to God to be his people, but His standards haven't changed. Those not living how he wants them to will again be cut off. I think we can use all the encouragement and help building up the fruitages of the spirit we can get. You're right again tho, it isn't about Christendom, it's about knowing the truth of the Bible and living how God and Jesus would have us live. Definitely takes an in-depth study of the Bible to do so, hence the need for meeting in groups to study, not just to pay a church to tell us we're going to heaven no matter what then go about our business.
Lars80
06/14/2012, 07:20 am
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that Irene didn't want to become a zombie because it wasn't 'christian like' but committed suicide?
Religious people are crazy... And retarded.
JonathanEFearn
06/14/2012, 09:50 am
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that Irene didn't want to become a zombie because it wasn't 'christian like' but committed suicide?Rules change. In a world where dying just physically harms the one that dies, it is easy to pass negative judgement on those that take their own life because of the emotional damage they inflict on their loved ones.
But in a world where the dead get back up and try to kill the living, it is selfish to not take the necessary steps to prevent reanimation. Any religion or society that doesn't adapt will be eaten.
As an aside, in Mira Grant's Newsflesh Trilogy (Feed, Deadline, and Blackout), the Catholic Church retroactively raised everyone that died to the Rising (or KA Amplification) as a Martyr, especially those that blew their own brains out after having a blood test come up red. The definition of suicide changed. Just killing yourself is suicide, but offing yourself after testing positive wasn't suicide.
8Bit_System
06/14/2012, 10:49 am
Giving her the gun is actually the "good" choice there if you consider that declining it, will force her to perform even more sins by attacking Carley and stealing it from your group. :rolleyes:
Religious people are crazy... And retarded.
Atheist people are judgmental... And illogical.
steross1981
06/14/2012, 12:41 pm
Atheist people are judgmental... And illogical.
If you genuinely believe atheists are illogical. Then you should youtube the name Richard Dawkins and watch a few of his discussions with people from varying religions on the subject of religion and the theory on evolution. I think you will find a lot more illogical arguements come from the religious side.
Louis CK on creationists view of evolution - "Well I ain't no monkey....My grandpa ain't no monkey"..
CapnJay
06/14/2012, 12:55 pm
People Who argue are Arguable People
steross1981
06/14/2012, 01:00 pm
I disagree :D
Zombieface
06/14/2012, 04:41 pm
Mhmm
Itdontmatterwhatmynameis
06/22/2012, 04:17 pm
When she shoot herself I said your going to hell like she can even hear me lol
I'm not sure if in the situation Suicide would be a bad thing. After all, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."
In a scenario where you're bit, you have a chance to inflict something terrible onto other people without even meaning to, if you don't do something. Suicide would be the best option in a theological sense.
steross1981
06/24/2012, 01:27 pm
When she shoot herself I said your going to hell like she can even hear me lol
I dont actually think you go to hell for suicide. At least in the catholic religion. Christopher Hitchens speaks about this at one of his debates. He also mentions that fairly recently someone high up in the church stated that Limbo does not exist. It was a mistake or mistranslation or something to that effect, so all the babies that have died unbaptised in the past did not go to Limbo or purgatory( is that the same? im unsure) and all the poor parents that lived their lives believing their child never made it to heaven were wrongly informed.
Dont you just love religion ;):D
CapnJay
06/24/2012, 05:21 pm
Since Vain hasnt shut down this thread i'm guessing this discussion is technically still on topic.
I'd like to hug irene if she wasnt all bloody. Poor woman. she kind of reminds me of the brother in the new xbox indie game Bureau: Shattered Slipper
NessaT
06/24/2012, 05:31 pm
Mmm hmmm. I feel real sorry for her too. The ultimate sacrifice is when you give yourself up for the greater good of humanity - and I guess she did just that.
Milosuperspesh
06/25/2012, 05:57 am
one girl who was bit by her boyfriend locks her self away and then shoots her self
yeah thats really gonna make a difference...'scoffs'
NessaT
06/25/2012, 07:35 am
one girl who was bit by her boyfriend locks her self away and then shoots her self
yeah thats really gonna make a difference...'scoffs'
Dudeeee... one zombie breeds legions of them! :eek:
Remember the walkers outside the pharmacy? Doug said they most of them got infected while they were trying to arm themselves. Which, similarly, explains why Larry was freaked out by the thought that Duck was bitten as well.
Irene must have watched the entire thing unfold first hand, so yes - I think she thinks she's doing humanity a favour.
*is now depressed for some reason*
Milosuperspesh
06/25/2012, 07:51 am
my point is she has met the true death. she was locked away. she has no effect on the outbreak anymore..
where as there are still plenty of other walkers who are free to roam and kill..
NessaT
06/25/2012, 08:12 am
Yeah, I get what you mean. Still, it's the little personal struggles like these that give the episode much depth. It may have little significance on the larger scale of things, but in her world - she faced her monster and killed it.
Her character had an impact on me for that reason.
Milosuperspesh
06/25/2012, 08:39 am
no argument there irene made her choice that was best for her, religion aside..
i too felt moved by her plight i was thinking really ttg are making me choose this ? holy shit they are!
maybe not a good comparison but i'm not a anti gore/violence gamer i have bought and played naughty bear/manhunt and splatter house..and gta n saints row series, but having to choose that was refreshing but also a little messed up..
but ttg are breaking some new ground for them at least...
CapnJay
06/25/2012, 12:02 pm
At least by giving her the gun i can give her some comfort plus you can bless her before she does the deed
Milosuperspesh
06/25/2012, 02:29 pm
At least by giving her the gun i can give her some comfort plus you can bless her before she does the deed
done
NessaT
06/25/2012, 02:44 pm
At least by giving her the gun i can give her some comfort plus you can bless her before she does the deed
Yeah. That part killed me man. It was pretty intense.
Aexra
06/26/2012, 01:50 am
I thought Irene wanted to die when she stil got a soul.
Since she thought those demonic creatures the walkers have none.
Also leave the whole religion discussion out of this community and game. We are gamers.
Sunwalker
07/04/2012, 05:47 am
Not all Christians consider suicide to be a mortal sin - especially in extreme circumstances. Even the idea of a mortal sin is mostly a Catholic thing. Besides, even if she did think it was a sin, she thought the zombies were literally satanic so she was choosing the lesser of the two evils.
You spoted something important: the concept of lesser evil. When the only choices are bad things, it is not a sin to choose the less bad one.
The source of confusion in this supposed "irony" is that people only usually consider one of the three conditions needed to commit a mortal. Since this concept came arount, I think it is worthy quoting what the Catholic Church says about mortal sins:
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother." The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
Also about suicide:
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
Source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
Therefore, if we have to analyse the usse through the Catholic concept of mortal sin, the suicide of the character was not a mortal sin because she was in an emotionally unstable state and she did not have full knowloedge of what she was doing.
But if the game writers had knowledge of this when creating the scene, it is a completely differently story... I have played quite a few telltale games and sometimes I have the impression that there are in most of the games a little bit of scorn towards religion here and there. Or maybe I am being just a bit oversensitive and seing issues where there are none. I hope for the latter ;)
Best regards!
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