F*** Kenny

[Wrighty]

Dude, most of your post is some crazy speculations and theories that would never happen.
Duck was bitten, Ben didn't knew, Lee was asleep, Kenny is his father and wouldn't do shit. If Duck turned... it was over for at least half of them. You can make crazy theories as much as you want but that doesn't change the situation that you're super biased.
You may not agree with me but I'm consistent and I don't try to create impossible scenarios to justify my choices.
I saved Duck at Hershel's farm because he was a child.
I didn't side with Larry in the drugstore.
I supported Kenny in the Lilly argument because I chopped the teacher's leg.
I didn't shot Jolene.
I let Irene shot herself.
Until that point Kenny was a friend whom I had helped a lot, because I fed his son once again in ep. 2
I tries to save Larry.
Kenny backstabbed me and left me for dead.
I killed both brothers because I was sending a message.
Lilly saved me and became a friend whom I started to trust.
I stole the supplies.
I shot the poor girl in ep.3
I stood by Lilly's side because after Kenny left me for dead one more time in Macon.
I confessed to everybody because Carley made me do it.
Lilly shot Carley, but I took her in.
I didn't yell at Kenny to stop the RV cause I knew he wouldn't listen anyway.
I decided to leave with Lilly cause I didn't want anything to do with this group anymore.
I shot Duck.

You can make your wild speculations and theories but don't justify Kenny betrayal please. He may be an ally in yours, but in mine he's a total coward and an asshole. And no, I'm not the reason. He is.

Crazy and wild speculation from the guy who thinks Lee and Kenny (Lilly will be too shocked to fight) can kill zombie Larry with no weapons and in a enclosed space? :P

Ben may not have known but he had a gun. Ben sees walker, passes gun to Lee or shoots Duck himself. NOT a impossible scenario. Especially as Duck would have been easy to killl while he finished off Katjaa. Lee would have been woken by Katjaa's screams no matter what.

And losing half the group is hell of a lot better than losing the entire group. Especially if two of the group (maybe four if the cannibals get em) get slowly eaten alive until they get the quick release of death. You risked a kid getting a death a hell of alot worse than getting eaten by walkers.

Making a nice little list of youre decisions isnt a good argument but nice try. And Carely made you confess? More like, you knew Lilly was about to kill someone or at least do something very rash and you decided to take the fall as Lilly likes you. Very noble but if Lilly was reasonable and realised she had no proof, you wouldnt have had to confess. Dont go blaming Carely. Also says what kind of person Lilly was, to steal the RV. Way to destroy their only chance of survival if they couldnt get the train to work. AND i thought Lilly was youre friend aswell :P

Also the key point in that was when you saved Larry. At that point you risked his life, and his families lifes (they would get eaten by cannibals slowly, die in a way that would make them want to get their head smashed in. Pretty sure i keep mentioning this). You risked the lives of the only people he really has left in the world for some old bastard, who tried to murder you after you got him medicine. Im not suprised he didnt forgive you for that. Im not suprised he didnt look at you trapped in a room full of approaching zombies and didnt immediatly rush in to save youre life. You Lilly fans always seem to glorify Larry aswell, do you think he would have saved you're life in Macon?

Simple calling my scenarios impossible isnt quite good enough and calling him a coward and asshole isnt one either. If he was a coward he would never have volunteered for the supply trip. And i've already been over why he isnt an asshole.

[Wrighty]

Giving up? Lilly and Lee were actively working on achieving the best possible outcome, however remote, that Larry would survive and we would all escape from the cannibals. Thats' not giving up.
Kenny was not a team player and folded under the pressure. He made the short term situation and long term survival more dangerous because the group actions became individual actions. Lilly was in shock, Lee was pissed and Kenny could not count on Lee. So who had to take on Danny solo? Lee.

On the other hand, Larry could have survived. Or the group could have dispatched walker Larry (I would have like to have done that by the way...epic fight:D) and then the group would have found a way out of the meat locker and attacked Danny as a group.

There is also the long term effect. What if we actually survived the meat locker and made it out. Kenny's way - group destroyed. Lee's way - group intact.

Kenny is horrible mainly due to his follow on actions, post meat locker, that you may not see in your game but I do in my game. I have not taken my decision to expel both Kenny and Ben as group members lightly (I've done this as best the game will allow. I've not spoken to Ben since he admitted to being the traitor and only interact with Kenny if required by the game to move the story along). They have simply demonstrated that they are not suited for the complex nature of group dynamics. Maybe they will do better as lone surviviors. I do believe we are stonger as a group than as individuals. But as I'm sure Kenny would agree, sometimes the risk outweighs the benefit.:)

Trying to save Larry because cannibals are outside and about to kill us anyway and we may as well go down as heroes sounds like giving up to me. And you say things like he made "long term survival more dangerous" We have to live in the here and now and face current threats. Such as the guy who if he turns into a walker, everyone is screwed.

You could hardly argue "NO KENNY DONT DO THAT! If you kill that guy who might become a walker and kill us right now and so screw the other members of our group, then weeks from now, Lilly might go phyco and kill someone!" You make short term survival sound like he started eating all the rations at once or something, not like he dealt with a immediate threat to the entire group.

Kenny's way= Pisses off Lilly but doesnt risk entire group
Lee's way=Pisses off Kenny, risks entire group for one guy.

You talk about complex nature of group dynamics, but at the end of the day, he is the guy who dealt with the threat to the entire group and you are the one who couldnt. Besides, i suspect defeating zombie Larry in a meatlocker with no weapons and Lilly in shock would just be retarded and TT knew that.

Ben= Poor stupid kid, scared for his friend, intimidated by the bandits into helping them. No reason to kick him out of group or not to talk to him.
Kenny=Removed the threat to himself and his family getting eaten alive by cannibals.

Not talking to them over those things just seems really really petty, and saying that they "dont understand the complex nature of group dynamics" seems really really pretentious.

[Cyreen]

This thread sure did go all out since I last checked it out!

I doubt you missed much. It's best just to back away slowly.

[Kiel555]

Trying to save Larry because cannibals are outside and about to kill us anyway and we may as well go down as heroes sounds like giving up to me. And you say things like he made "long term survival more dangerous" We have to live in the here and now and face current threats. Such as the guy who if he turns into a walker, everyone is screwed.

You could hardly argue "NO KENNY DONT DO THAT! If you kill that guy who might become a walker and kill us right now and so screw the other members of our group, then weeks from now, Lilly might go phyco and kill someone!" You make short term survival sound like he started eating all the rations at once or something, not like he dealt with a immediate threat to the entire group.

Kenny's way= Pisses off Lilly but doesnt risk entire group
Lee's way=Pisses off Kenny, risks entire group for one guy.

You talk about complex nature of group dynamics, but at the end of the day, he is the guy who dealt with the threat to the entire group and you are the one who couldnt. Besides, i suspect defeating zombie Larry in a meatlocker with no weapons and Lilly in shock would just be retarded and TT knew that.

Ben= Poor stupid kid, scared for his friend, intimidated by the bandits into helping them. No reason to kick him out of group or not to talk to him.
Kenny=Removed the threat to himself and his family getting eaten alive by cannibals.

Not talking to them over those things just seems really really petty, and saying that they "dont understand the complex nature of group dynamics" seems really really pretentious.

When the ends justify the means that's when a person can be killed, who may be alive, might recover like last time, may not reanimate for say the time it takes to drop a salt lick after he is confirmed dead. Lots of unknowns but more than sufficient to make an irreversable decision based on what could happen and carry it out immediately.

Again, that's fine if you're on your own. But may not sit well in a group setting. In my game, what Kenny did was unpopular. His own wife took the news badly. I suppose in your game he received a hero's welcome and even Doug patted him on the back for Kenny's heroic deed.

Not talking to Kenny and Ben is the best the game will allow at this time. I had hoped Lee was going to throw Ben off the train but he let me down. We'll see if there is a better way to distance the group from Ben and Kenny in the next episode.

[YamiRaziel]

Wrighty, you somehow tried to avoid/escape/ignore my argument that Duck could've bitten somebody in that RV. You say that Ben would've passed the gun to Lee. Well, Lee was asleep and probably so was Ben especially if you left Lilly out. Why would he be awake if he doesn't know about Duck. Had Duck turned, Katjaa was 100% dead, he would bite her before she even opened her mouth. Even if they did manage to really fast, Duck was still in her arms so no way to quickly dispatch of him. Katjaa was one of potential victims. There could've easily been more.
So be honest, did you try to make Kenny stop the RV? For like a week or more you've been trying to convince us of your super survival pragmatic way of making decisions. So did you tell Kenny to stop the RV or not?

Once again you tell me I shouldn't blame for Kenny for leaving me for dead in Macon. After I saved his kid twice, fed him twice and saved his wife once. That means nothing to him and the only decision that I made to try and help SOMEBODY else for a change, makes me unforgivable in his eyes? Yeah, I can start a new save and treat him like the asshole he is from the very beginning. At least then I will know why he leaves me to die in Macon.

You've already been over why Kenny isn't an asshole. Well some of us have been over why he is for like 51 pages now.

I don't think that there is any point continuing this argument with you. I can already predict what you're gonna write before you actually write it. I do understand your position but I do not accept it as true and I doubt this is gonna change, unless somebody else joins the discussion.

[Wrighty]

When the ends justify the means that's when a person can be killed, who may be alive, might recover like last time, may not reanimate for say the time it takes to drop a salt lick after he is confirmed dead. Lots of unknowns but more than sufficient to make an irreversable decision based on what could happen and carry it out immediately.

Again, that's fine if you're on your own. But may not sit well in a group setting. In my game, what Kenny did was unpopular. His own wife took the news badly. I suppose in your game he received a hero's welcome and even Doug patted him on the back for Kenny's heroic deed.

Not talking to Kenny and Ben is the best the game will allow at this time. I had hoped Lee was going to throw Ben off the train but he let me down. We'll see if there is a better way to distance the group from Ben and Kenny in the next episode.

Whats you're point in the first paragraph? Sure there are lots of unknowns but the one thing we know is that if he reaminates, we are screwed. And that they reaminate fast so we could have been seconds away from Larry coming back. And Lilly already said he had no pulse and was not breathing. She was trying to resusitate him and that takes time. Its not like Lee could just lean down, take his pulse, say he's dead and then Kenny kills him. I dont think thats how resucitation works.

In my game, only one person outside the locker knows about what happened and that was Katjaa. And its hardly like she immediatlely left or shouted at him for what he did. From what i saw, her reaction was "Oh god, what has this world come to" not "Oh God, i hate Kenny now". And its hardly like she knew the finer details of what happened, like how enclosed the space was and how there was nothing in the locker to fight with. Katjaa was sad and shocked at what this new world forces people to do, for the survival and safety of others.


And you would kill Ben just because he was intimidated by the bandits and was told his friend was in danger? Ben was stupid but i have no respect for anyone who kills a person for making a mistake. Tells me what kind of person you're Lee really is :P

[YamiRaziel]

Yeah you have respect for guys who immediately kill or abandon the ones who need help. After you destroy people's lives you hate them for not being able to take the pressure you continue to give them and leave them for dead after they kill somebody by mistake.

[Wrighty]

Wrighty, you somehow tried to avoid/escape/ignore my argument that Duck could've bitten somebody in that RV. You say that Ben would've passed the gun to Lee. Well, Lee was asleep and probably so was Ben especially if you left Lilly out. Why would he be awake if he doesn't know about Duck. Had Duck turned, Katjaa was 100% dead, he would bite her before she even opened her mouth. Even if they did manage to really fast, Duck was still in her arms so no way to quickly dispatch of him. Katjaa was one of potential victims. There could've easily been more.
So be honest, did you try to make Kenny stop the RV? For like a week or more you've been trying to convince us of your super survival pragmatic way of making decisions. So did you tell Kenny to stop the RV or not?

Once again you tell me I shouldn't blame for Kenny for leaving me for dead in Macon. After I saved his kid twice, fed him twice and saved his wife once. That means nothing to him and the only decision that I made to try and help SOMEBODY else for a change, makes me unforgivable in his eyes? Yeah, I can start a new save and treat him like the asshole he is from the very beginning. At least then I will know why he leaves me to die in Macon.

You've already been over why Kenny isn't an asshole. Well some of us have been over why he is for like 51 pages now.

I don't think that there is any point continuing this argument with you. I can already predict what you're gonna write before you actually write it. I do understand your position but I do not accept it as true and I doubt this is gonna change, unless somebody else joins the discussion.

WHAT?! Im telling you right now. Duck bites Katjaa, Katjaa screams, Lee and Ben hear it. Ben runs over and passes gun to Lee and Lee shoots him or Ben shoots him himself. Duck would have been concerned with finishing off and then eating Katjaa to notice the gun pointed directly on his forehead. At the end, Katjaa dies and she was obviously willing to risk getting eaten by Duck. And i cant believe you still cant accept the fact that Duck was a smaller threat than Larry in the meatlocker.

I didnt tell him to stop the RV because I trusted Katjaa to shout out when he either took a turn for the worst, died, or when he reaminated and bit her. She is the one taking all the risk here. She didnt let me down, showing that i made the right decision about her judgement.

Okay, do you know what? I have posted how YOU'RE LEE risked his wife and son to a slow horrible painful drawn out death that makes Larry's look merciful and Kenny's own life for some old bastard who tried to kill Lee after he got his heart medicine. And each and every time you have simply ignored it and posted the same thing about how "Duck was just a large a threat as Larry on the RV" or "He left me to die twice so screw him". I give answers to both of them and you dont respond to my argument. You also fail to respond to the whole Lilly screws you and steals the RV.

It truly is obvious why Kenny does what he does to you're Lee and but you simply refuse to see the logic behind the decisions. This has led me to believe you're either ridiculously obtuse or simply realise that i have argued you into a corner and have to hide behind "I already know what you're going to post, so i wont bother"

[YamiRaziel]

I'm obtuse? Really? A person who does not clearly make the difference between "you're" and "your" is telling me that I'm dumb just because I do not agree with his opinion? I didn't really expect that from you.

This is my last post to you.

So you're willing to risk the life of the people in the RV, even admit that Katjaa is probably going to die if Duck turns which is 100% inevitable, unlike Larry who at least has some chance of making it, but somehow in the meat locker is different. So Katjaa can risk her life and potentially risk other lives too but that somehow doesn't apply to Lilly and Lee?

You made the right call? Just because Lee doesn't rush and blow Duck's head off right on the spot doesn't mean the situation is different. If you cannot see that this is Telltale's way of testing you whether you are consistent or just biased then you're the one who's "ridiculously obtuse".

I've posted my list of decisions so you can see the logic behind my decisions and that I'm not a 100% pro Lilly even though I understand her character. There is some logic I base my decisions on and for the most part that is compassion and willingness to help others regardless whether they are Lilly, Kenny, Larry, Duck or somebody else. Apparently you didn't even try to find it.

I've already explained like 10 times why I think Lilly left me and stole the RV and the fact that I didn't respond you this time was just my attempt to not derail the thread to another Lilly thread. Here it is:

Quote by Dead_Man_Walking
When they found the bag of medication, and Ben confessed, in a sense, lily was right. The only problem was, she didn't see the big picture. I think that's all she's guilty of. Oh, and for those that got ditched, yeah, I was mad, too. However, maybe that was her way of saying she screwed up, and the group would be better off without her. It was a messed up plan of action, but lots of things are messed up in the spur of the moment. When you (Lee) went for the pencil, she could have easily snuck up on you and broke your neck. :/

And another one by Kiel555
he only thing I would add is that when Lilly ditched us (Lee and Clem) I was not upset. She had saved Lee's life back when Andy was about to put Lee's face in the electric fence (and with Danny as well). It was as if we both said "we're even" as she paused and then drove away.

[Wrighty]

I'm obtuse? Really? A person who does not clearly make the difference between "you're" and "your" is telling me that I'm dumb just because I do not agree with his opinion? I didn't really expect that from you.

This is my last post to you.

So you're willing to risk the life of the people in the RV, even admit that Katjaa is probably going to die if Duck turns which is 100% inevitable, unlike Larry who at least has some chance of making it, but somehow in the meat locker is different. So Katjaa can risk her life and potentially risk other lives too but that somehow doesn't apply to Lilly and Lee?

You made the right call? Just because Lee doesn't rush and blow Duck's head off right on the spot doesn't mean the situation is different. If you cannot see that this is Telltale's way of testing you whether you are consistent or just biased then you're the one who's "ridiculously obtuse".

I've posted my list of decisions so you can see the logic behind my decisions and that I'm not a 100% pro Lilly even though I understand her character. There is some logic I base my decisions on and for the most part that is compassion and willingness to help others regardless whether they are Lilly, Kenny, Larry, Duck or somebody else. Apparently you didn't even try to find it.

I've already explained like 10 times why I think Lilly left me and stole the RV and the fact that I didn't respond you this time was just my attempt to not derail the thread to another Lilly thread. Here it is:

Quote by Dead_Man_Walking


And another one by Kiel555

Resorting to calling out my grammar mistakes just makes you seem petty and struggling to find decent arguments. Just saying :P

Secondly, i wouldnt really be risking the lives of the people in the RV for the reasons i have spelled out for you again and again. Katjaa knows the risks of her son being infected and takes them as does Kenny. Those two are in danger of getting bitten, but we have a gun so we can kill Duck while he eats his parents. The potential risk is much smaller because of the setting, the fact they had no weapons in the meatlocker, Duck himself and others. Not to mention the worst the RV people can get is bitten. The worst Duck/Kat/Carley/Ben gets is eaten alive by cannibals. What im trying to make you see is that the two situations are very different and acting differently for both doesnt make you a hypocrite or biased. Both situations were unique in setting, zombie size and the fact that the RV people had at least one weapon and anyone who says different is being obtuse or just dumb :P

Sure i appreciate you sometimes hate Kenny and you're not completely biased against Kenny. But that one decision in the meatlocker is everything and you made the wrong choice, which led to both led to Kenny hating you and you risking everything for a old bastard to tried to kill Lee after he got him heart medicine.

For the first quote, Lilly obviously wasnt right. Well done Lilly, Ben was one of the group of your two suspects. But in the end you shot Carely. Not to mention you shouldnt just go executing people for making mistakes and not getting their side of the story. If she truly believed the group would be better of without her and she cared about the group, she wouldnt have stolen the RV and would have made her way on foot or killed herself. Why should the group lose the RV for a mistake Lilly made? A mistake which could cost their lives if any walkers approach.

For the second quote, if Lilly truly was a good or fair person, she would never have risked the lives of Kat, Ken, Lee and Clem to get away. Stealing the RV screws all of us. Hard. Whatever supplies we had in there was lost, as well as any means of escape if walkers arrive. Its not so much "We're even" as "Screw you all!" Saving Lee's life does not equal risking everyone elses to save you're own skin. Except it wasnt even saving her own skin, she just didnt want to be in the group anymore and decided to go away and leave us to die. I mean what kind of person, see's what the group is going through, losing Carely and then seeing Duck bitten, is still heartless enough to then, when you think things arent going any worse for the group, steals their RV and drives off into the sunset.

And im talking about Lilly in a fuck Kenny thread simply because some of Kenny's most diehard haters are diehard Lilly fans, and im simply retaliating. Im not cruel enough to go on the Lilly appreciation thread and bash her there but i will bash her here while defending Kenny.

[YamiRaziel]

I'm always saying that this is my last post to some people and yet your arguments are so poor that I cannot restrain myself.

The worst Duck/Kat/Carley/Ben gets is eaten alive by cannibals.

Carley and Ben are not there so, no, they were not in immediate danger. Plus, Carley has a gun. That leaves us with Duck and Kat who are Kenny's family of course. He's doing the smart thing for his family, not for the group. Duck and Kat could've already been killed you can't know for sure. Larry needed help, I helped him. There are not bad decisions in this game, and this is definitely not a wrong decision. If you think you're doing the only correct decisions I pity you...

You know, I can already see the resemblance between you and Kenny. You both believe that your point is the only correct one and you do not even respect other people's opinions. There is no point in trying to make Kenny understand and respect other people's opinions just as there is no point in discussing these matter any further with you.

[Kiel555]

Whats you're point in the first paragraph? Sure there are lots of unknowns but the one thing we know is that if he reaminates, we are screwed. And that they reaminate fast so we could have been seconds away from Larry coming back. And Lilly already said he had no pulse and was not breathing. She was trying to resusitate him and that takes time. Its not like Lee could just lean down, take his pulse, say he's dead and then Kenny kills him. I dont think thats how resucitation works.

In my game, only one person outside the locker knows about what happened and that was Katjaa. And its hardly like she immediatlely left or shouted at him for what he did. From what i saw, her reaction was "Oh god, what has this world come to" not "Oh God, i hate Kenny now". And its hardly like she knew the finer details of what happened, like how enclosed the space was and how there was nothing in the locker to fight with. Katjaa was sad and shocked at what this new world forces people to do, for the survival and safety of others.


And you would kill Ben just because he was intimidated by the bandits and was told his friend was in danger? Ben was stupid but i have no respect for anyone who kills a person for making a mistake. Tells me what kind of person you're Lee really is :P

You are lost in the "what could happen should this event occur based on not knowing this..." as being sufficient to kill Larry. Again, leads to actions that may not sit well with others.

I'm sure if Lee had done a better job of explaining the "finer details" of the situation in the meat locker that Kat would have been just fine. This really should have been something Kenny should have told her though. You know,so he can present the details in the best light possible and be available for any possible follow up questions.

As for Ben, maybe that's why Lee did not kick him off the train. Oh well, Ben is sure to die in e4 so I can ignore him a while longer :D.

[Rock114]

But that one decision in the meatlocker is everything and you made the wrong choice, which led to both led to Kenny hating you and you risking everything for a old bastard to tried to kill Lee after he got him heart medicine.

This is a game in which there is no "right" or "wrong" choices. Only what you think is best. You and I both thought that trying to save Larry was far too big of a risk. We made sure he didn't get up. Other's thought that helping him was the best possible thing they could do. They tried to revive him. Some people think he could ahve been saved, others think he was already dead. There's no evidence to suggest either way, so all we can do is speculate. But to call someone else's choice "wrong" in this game is just wrong in itself.

[YamiRaziel]

Woow, 1014 posts so far :D The hottest thread on the forum :p

[KMatt]

Woow, 1014 posts so far :D The hottest thread on the forum :p

Yeah but 507 are yours and 507 are Wrighty's comments ;)

Joking aside, as Rock114 points out; there is no right decision. Killing Larry might be the most pragmatic decision to make but actually killing him, and doing it right in front of his screaming daughter and an 8 year old child is a tough decision to make.

You both make valid points (inbetween the namecalling) but really how much of what you have written above really went through your head during your first playthrough?

[YamiRaziel]

Naah, Wrighty is a late-comer and I have only around 150 posts here :p

In my very first playthrough as I mention somewhere above, I was a friend of Kenny even though he started to annoy me a lot and I did dislike Lilly and Larry.
Lilly started growing on me in ep. 2 and in the meat locker scene... the way she screamed "Lee, I need you. Please help me!" was enough to make me help her.

[KMatt]

Lilly started growing on me in ep. 2 and in the meat locker scene... the way she screamed "Lee, I need you. Please help me!" was enough to make me help her.

Same. Pragmatism aside if a woman is screaming for help I wouldn't stop to think, I'd help her.

To those who decided that Larry was a threat that needed to be dealt with and helped Kenny off him; I'd say you made a tough decision and I respect that, but I'd hate to be in a group with you. I'm a heavy sleeper and I don't think I'd rest easy thinking you'd might mistake me for dead and bash my head in without checking ;)

[thestalkinghead]

Same. Pragmatism aside if a woman is screaming for help I wouldn't stop to think, I'd help her.

To those who decided that Larry was a threat that needed to be dealt with and helped Kenny off him; I'd say you made a tough decision and I respect that, but I'd hate to be in a group with you. I'm a heavy sleeper and I don't think I'd rest easy thinking you'd might mistake me for dead and bash my head in without checking ;)

if your thinking about it pragmatically, Larry needed to be dealt with eventually, he could have died at any time, i mean what's worse, stealing medicine or eating your daughter alive because you died in your sleep

[KMatt]

if your thinking about it pragmatically, Larry needed to be dealt with eventually, he could have died at any time, i mean what's worse, stealing medicine or eating your daughter alive because you died in your sleep

I get what you mean but I'm not a pragmatic person so I don't think like that. A woman was crying out for me to help her father. For me there is no question on what to do in that situation, but I don't have a problem with people who don't agree with me.

These are all good points you make and if I had time to sit down and think about the consequences of each action then I would probably agree with you. But for me; the point about this game is you have to make decisions quickly. When the choice moments occur I don't give myself time to think through all the options I just go with my gut feeling and live with the consequences, thats how I enjoy playing this game.

[thestalkinghead]

I get what you mean but I'm not a pragmatic person so I don't think like that. A woman was crying out for me to help her father. In my head there is no question on what to do in that situation, but I don't have a problem with people who don't agree with me.

These are all good points to make and if I sit down and think about the consequences of each action then your right but the point about this game is you have to make decisions quickly, in those circumstances I don't give myself time to think through all the options I just go with my gut feeling and live with the consequences, thats how I enjoy playing this game.

yeah me to, and on my fist go, my instinct said he was dead and it was lilly who confirmed it to me, but to me crying is not a rational response so her crying/screaming didn't dissuade me at all, it just made me ignore her.

i would never have suggested just killing Larry, but i don't think i would have slept anywhere near him and i would have some sort of barricade in between me and him.

[Wrighty]

I'm always saying that this is my last post to some people and yet your arguments are so poor that I cannot restrain myself.



Carley and Ben are not there so, no, they were not in immediate danger. Plus, Carley has a gun. That leaves us with Duck and Kat who are Kenny's family of course. He's doing the smart thing for his family, not for the group. Duck and Kat could've already been killed you can't know for sure. Larry needed help, I helped him. There are not bad decisions in this game, and this is definitely not a wrong decision. If you think you're doing the only correct decisions I pity you...

You know, I can already see the resemblance between you and Kenny. You both believe that your point is the only correct one and you do not even respect other people's opinions. There is no point in trying to make Kenny understand and respect other people's opinions just as there is no point in discussing these matter any further with you.

Keep telling yourself that :P

They were going to the house, Carely had a gun as did Ben and Andy and Brenda. One vs Three and Carely has no idea whats going on? If she's lucky, she'll get shot and die quickly, not sure what happens with Ben. They were in danger and if you die in the locker, then no one can warn Carely and Ben. And the meatlocker situation is important for everyone. I seriously dont understand how you can look past risking Lee, Lilly, Kenny, Clem, Kat, Duck (last two get horrible deaths) and risk Ben and Carely (one gun vs three and she doesnt even know whats happening, the cannibals know she might come aswell) for one person who tried to kill you after you got him heart medicine.

For me the correct decision is the one that doesnt risk everyones lives for one person. Sometimes its as simple as that. In this situation you are either strong enough to make the right call and ignore Lilly's cries for help or not. You were not.

[KMatt]

Keep telling yourself that :P

For me the correct decision is the one that doesnt risk everyones lives for one person. Sometimes its as simple as that. In this situation you are either strong enough to make the right call and ignore Lilly's cries for help or not. You were not.


Then colour me not strong enough Wrighty boy.

By the way I don't disagree with your choice (your entitled to it), and I won't try to convince you of the merit of having compassion for people in your group. Its been 3 months since that episode came out and I played it for the first time. We have all thought about the choices we made and in the threads on this forum we have all come up with valid reasons why our choice was the right choice, and everyone elses was wrong :)

One thing we can agree on is that Telltale have made one hell of a compelling game.

[Rock114]

Then colour me not strong enough Wrighty boy.

By the way I don't disagree with your choice (your entitled to it), and I won't try to convince you of the merit of having compassion for people in your group. Its been 3 months since that episode came out and I played it for the first time. We have all thought about the choices we made and in the threads on this forum we have all come up with valid reasons why our choice was the right choice, and everyone elses was wrong :)

One thing we can agree on is that Telltale have made one hell of a compelling game.

Well said man. This game is something special. This game is more about going with your gut and split second decisions than going through all possible outcomes, deciding which is the best, and choosing that one. Any choice in this game can be justified. I hope we get another one like the meat locker, because that was the only true time I was paralyzed by indesicion. I almost ended up Team Lilly, but thought that choosing something is better than not at all, and picked Kenny because my cursor was floating over him right before the timer ran out.

[Wrighty]

Then colour me not strong enough Wrighty boy.

By the way I don't disagree with your choice (your entitled to it), and I won't try to convince you of the merit of having compassion for people in your group. Its been 3 months since that episode came out and I played it for the first time. We have all thought about the choices we made and in the threads on this forum we have all come up with valid reasons why our choice was the right choice, and everyone elses was wrong :)

One thing we can agree on is that Telltale have made one hell of a compelling game.

Im all for compassion right up to the point it gets everyone killed.

And I guess some deluded part of my brain thinks that if I keep debating, I can convince all Kenny haters of their mistakes and we can all walk off into the sunset holding hands with Kenny. :P

And I agree TT made an awesome game. No doubt about it.

[KMatt]

Im all for compassion right up to the point it gets everyone killed.

And I guess some deluded part of my brain thinks that if I keep debating, I can convince all Kenny haters of their mistakes and we can all walk off into the sunset holding hands with Kenny. :P

And I agree TT made an awesome game. No doubt about it.

Hey if we all agreed these forums would be boring!

It was probably not directed at me but I'm pro-kenny. I like the fella, I just don't think he likes me :(

[thestalkinghead]

if lilly and kenny didnt argue as much i would have been on both there sides, been kennys family friend and lillys right hand man, but because i felt i had to pick sides i just choose 1) a family and 2) the guy i would like to hang out with in between episodes

i did think there would be a pay off to the build up of their rivalry and choosing sides would change things, but on my first play through it doesn't matter about the differences because you wouldn't know if it was different at all, so even though i was mainly team kenny i was always diplomatic to lilly but just didnt take her side between kenny and lilly

[YamiRaziel]

Wrighty, you just do not see the bigger picture. The workings of a group is something much more complex than pure survival.

You can't just start killing you own. It's gonna cost you dearly.
Here's how it is. Kenny killed Lilly's father in cold blood (could've been handled differently), she looses her mind out of grief, he keeps pushing and pushing... until the point everything fucks up. Larry is dead, Lilly is broken, Katjaa traumatized (kills herself), Duck bitten, and Carley an innocent victim of the circumstances.

You don't think it has to do with what you did in the meat locker? Hah, you're fooling yourself. You can't just kill on of your own.

Had Kenny let me make the right call and actually help Larry, had we survived, none of the above would've happened. Lilly and Kenny wouldn't fight that bad, Ben wouldn't be scared and betray us, Duck probably wouldn't get bitten and Katjaa wouldn't kill herself.

If my Lee is gonna be in a group I want to know that people would enter a walker infested building just to help me. If I can't count on those people I'm better off without them.

[Rock114]

But Kenny did enter a waker infested building to save you...when Lilly's precious father tried to make sure you didn't get out...

Aside, from that, I'll say it again, we don't KNOW that Larry was actually alive! Kenny can't murder a dead person. Even if Larry was dead, and Kenny saved everyone, it's still fair to say that he traumatized Lilly to a great degree. The bandit raid would likely have gone as it did even if Larry had survived/Lilly came to terms with his death. That had nothing to do with Larry, or Kenny, or Lilly. It was Ben, his deal with the bandits, and them not getting their most recent drop. Kenny can in no way be blamed for the bandit raid or Ben's actions. I haven't heard him say more than "Fuck you" to the kid since we rescued him.

[Wrighty]

Wrighty, you just do not see the bigger picture. The workings of a group is something much more complex than pure survival.

You can't just start killing you own. It's gonna cost you dearly.
Here's how it is. Kenny killed Lilly's father in cold blood (could've been handled differently), she looses her mind out of grief, he keeps pushing and pushing... until the point everything fucks up. Larry is dead, Lilly is broken, Katjaa traumatized (kills herself), Duck bitten, and Carley an innocent victim of the circumstances.

You don't think it has to do with what you did in the meat locker? Hah, you're fooling yourself. You can't just kill on of your own.

Had Kenny let me make the right call and actually help Larry, had we survived, none of the above would've happened. Lilly and Kenny wouldn't fight that bad, Ben wouldn't be scared and betray us, Duck probably wouldn't get bitten and Katjaa wouldn't kill herself.

If my Lee is gonna be in a group I want to know that people would enter a walker infested building just to help me. If I can't count on those people I'm better off without them.

Thought you wernt posting here anymore :P

Also seems kind of ironic saying "You can't just start killing your own" after what Lilly did. I mean, at least Kenny had a good reason.

And you just cant see the bigger picture and/or make the hard choices. You list the consequences for Larry's death (Duck and Kat dont tie into that at all btw, dont know why you listed those, they are result of the bandit deal). The consequences are if Larry is alive that everyone dies and Kat and Duck risk getting unbelivably painful and horrifying deaths. You leave Carely and Ben (one gun altogether) who have no idea whats going on to take on 3 cannibals (three guns and are on lookout) Better hope they die quickly or they'll go the same way as Duck and Kat. Those are the consequences had you been wrong and if Kenny was as weak as you were.

What makes you think it was the right call anyway? Even if the whole "Heart attack is a natural form of death so they dont turn" thing is true, Kenny and Lee didnt know that. Thats the thing, you're entire argument is based on Larry not being dead but you/Lee just didnt know. You seem to be in denial of the risks and consequences if things go badly. I take both the best and worst situation into consideration and make my call on the risks. You just hoped for the best, which is a surefire way of getting everyone killed.

Also why would Ben have been scared if he didnt know about the meatlocker? You talking about Lilly? At the end of the day, i think the meatlocker did drive her over the edge but how was Kenny supposed to know that? Again, its not like Lee says "No Kenny dont kill him! I know it risks all of our lives and some of us will die terribly but i know for sure that Lilly will go crazy afterwards and tear the group apart".

Just because Lilly has been traumatised by what happened does not mean she can just do whatever she wants and then everyone can blame it on Kenny for a choice that may have saved everyone. Just doesnt make sense.

[YamiRaziel]

As people mention in other threads the RV, apparently, wasn't as fixed as Kenny was trying to sell it. Don't you think that this is a bit careless and irresponsible of him. I mean how could anybody rely on such a guy?

Any thoughts?

[Rock114]

My thoughts are that he actually did a terrific job with the RV.

The RV wasn't working when our heroes decided to fortify the motor inn. When Kenny wasn't out hunting, scrounging for supplies in Macon, or stroking that strange pipe in Episode 2, he was repairing the thing. Yes, he was planning to take his family and leave with it IF he could get enough people to come with him, but he realizes that if the rest of the group wants to stay he will too, as splitting up would be a dumb idea. Kenny said he got the RV running again, he didn't say how well. In fact, he was still working on it during the raid! If it had been truly road-worthy, then everyone would have been out of there just as the walkers showed up, instead of when they were already past the wall. Even Lee doesn't truly believe that it's running when you inspect the RV while searching for the missing supplies. Just because it wasn't COMPLETELY fixed doesn't mean he was irresponsible. In fact, if it hadn't been for him fixing up the RV it's likely that no one would have made it out alive. If he had had more time, I think he would have completed the repairs, or at least come as close as he could.

[Kiel555]

As people mention in other threads the RV, apparently, wasn't as fixed as Kenny was trying to sell it. Don't you think that this is a bit careless and irresponsible of him. I mean how could anybody rely on such a guy?

Any thoughts?

Exactly. Here Kenny is trying to convince me to go with him at the beginning of e3 and it's a good thing I didn't. If I had then what? Lee and Clem go with Kenny in the RV only to have it break down 30 or so miles from Macon? WTF Kenny!

[Viner16]

Good thing we left that RV and booked for the Train XD

[Zombies are Awesome!]

But the RV was only supposed to get you to Savannah where the boats are. it wasn't supposed to be a long term solution

[KMatt]

But the RV was only supposed to get you to Savannah where the boats are. it wasn't supposed to be a long term solution

But it never would have got us to Savannah. Ignoring the fact the RV was knackared and wouldn't have lasted another 30 miles or so; there was a bloody big train blocking the road.

[YamiRaziel]

If you've read any part of Rise of the Governor or watched the TV show you would know that highways and roads as a whole are really unreliable paths to travel cause there is almost always other cars that block them, walkers and what not. Packing into an "almost" fixed RV isn't a solution at all. Kenny should've told us this instead of keeping it for himself.

[askae.martin]

I like Kenny most of the time, I couldn't side with him though it just didn't seem right. Even though I didn't care for Larry.. just couldn't do that, why couldn't we have just waited until we knew for sure he was gone and then did it, out of respect. Kenny would want the same for his family. I'm happy I got to knock some sense into him in the last episode, he had it coming. haha!

[Kiel555]

But the RV was only supposed to get you to Savannah where the boats are. it wasn't supposed to be a long term solution

Kenny was pressuring everyone, his words not mine, to go with him in the RV to "the coast" (may have been Savannah or Florida) when he knew full well the RV could not make the journey.

[Wrighty]

If you've read any part of Rise of the Governor or watched the TV show you would know that highways and roads as a whole are really unreliable paths to travel cause there is almost always other cars that block them, walkers and what not. Packing into an "almost" fixed RV isn't a solution at all. Kenny should've told us this instead of keeping it for himself.

Got any other better modes of transportation? Walking, cycling? Staying at the motel and keep getting attacked by bandits untill we slowly get picked off one by one? Are people blaming Kenny now for being optimistic? Jesus

I cant believe people are criticising Kenny for the RV not being fully repaired, the fact he got it working at all is a miracle. It saved everyone's lives and got everyone away from the motel. Besides, Kenny didnt plan to leave with the RV the day the bandits attacked, so he obviously planned to work on it more and it wasnt ready. Going to blame him for the bandit attack now?

[Rock114]

Even if the RV wasn't completely fixed, it was fixed enough to get us far away from the motor inn in case of an emergency like, oh, say...a bandit raid? How many groups actually have working vehicles, working vehicles that can carry ALL those members of the group at one time? Frankly I was GLAD he was working on the RV. Remember, even if the RV was a POS, it was likely many times worse before Kenny began working on it. That RV, let us not forget, is also the only reason anyone in the group made it out of that raid alive. To call him irresponsible for not fixing it completely is just unfair. He's a fisherman ya know! He specializes in POS boats, not POS camping vehicles.

[YamiRaziel]

Even if the RV wasn't completely fixed, it was fixed enough to get us far away from the motor inn in case of an emergency like, oh, say...a bandit raid? How many groups actually have working vehicles, working vehicles that can carry ALL those members of the group at one time? Frankly I was GLAD he was working on the RV. Remember, even if the RV was a POS, it was likely many times worse before Kenny began working on it. That RV, let us not forget, is also the only reason anyone in the group made it out of that raid alive. To call him irresponsible for not fixing it completely is just unfair. He's a fisherman ya know! He specializes in POS boats, not POS camping vehicles.

That's not the point, man. Of course, we're glad to have an emergency escape plan. However, I was left with the impression that this was all he was talking about the entire week between ep.2 and ep.3. Why would he pressure the entire group and Lilly like that when the RV is not even ready? It seems stupid and childish. Lilly needed some time to mourn but instead he kept arguing with her when the RV wasn't even finished. What if he couldn't fully repair it? What if he didn't have the spare parts to make it fully working? Was it really necessary to annoy the entire group with his constant whining and fighting?

As for Kenny's RV saving the situation, I think you're giving him too much credit. Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Lilly and Lee, none would be alive to even start the RV.
It is interesting that I didn't even see that many walkers in that scene. I'm sure that the combined fire power of Lee, Lilly and Carly (optional) was more than enough to deal with both bandits and walkers. It felt stupid to abandon everything, but I guess it was all in the heat of the moment.

[Rock114]

That's not the point, man. Of course, we're glad to have an emergency escape plan. However, I was left with the impression that this was all he was talking about the entire week between ep.2 and ep.3. Why would he pressure the entire group and Lilly like that when the RV is not even ready? It seems stupid and childish. Lilly needed some time to mourn but instead he kept arguing with her when the RV wasn't even finished. What if he couldn't fully repair it? What if he didn't have the spare parts to make it fully working? Was it really necessary to annoy the entire group with his constant whining and fighting?

As for Kenny's RV saving the situation, I think you're giving him too much credit. Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Lilly and Lee, none would be alive to even start the RV.
It is interesting that I didn't even see that many walkers in that scene. I'm sure that the combined fire power of Lee, Lilly and Carly (optional) was more than enough to deal with both bandits and walkers. It felt stupid to abandon everything, but I guess it was all in the heat of the moment.

Remember that we have a fairly sizeable town bursting at the seams with walkers, within walking distance from our home. A large group of bandits is shooting at us, then walkers show up. How much ammo did the group really have? You always have more zombies trying to eat you than you have bullets to stop them. The walkers we were seeing were probably only the ones within a minute's walk of the motel, as the raid didn't last long enough for the walkers from Macon to get there before we left. If a herd from Macon had shown up, that would have been it.

And I don't give Kenny complete credit for saving the group. He fixed up the RV (mostly) and tried to start it during the fight. Without Lilly, the bandits may have started executing people. Then again, they may also have gone back to their camp once we struck a new deal with them. Let us not forget that their leader said it was time to "hash out some terms". Then Kenny could have completed the repairs, everyone would pack up the supplies we had left, and we would hit the road. Hell, looking at it that way we could blame Lilly for Kat and Duck's death. Lee gets the credit for actually holding off the bandits after the fight actually begins. I never saw Lilly drop anyone but the bandit leader.

During the fight Kenny was still working on the RV as he KNEW the situation was doomed. Kenny is the one who suggested that the motor-inn be fortified all the way back in Episode 1. If he sees that it's about to fall, then it's probably about to fall. Without Lilly, people might have been executed. We may also have been able to talk the bandits down and leave after they left. Without Lee, the walkers and bandits would have overrun everyone while Kenny worked on the RV. Without Kenny, the RV wouldn't have been fixed and we would all have been sitting on our hands when the Macon herd showed up. Low on ammo with no way of escape. Duck was bitten by the first walker to enter the compound, imagine if we had seen more than the 10 we killed. The bandits had plenty of trouble dividing their attention between us and the walkers, and their backs weren't to the wall like ours were.

And wouldn't you want a plan when/if you decided to leave the motel? I don't see how waitintg to make a plan until after the RV was completely repaired would be a smart idea. You'd want an idea of what you're taking, where you're going, how far it is, if there is any place you can get supplies along the way. Kenny was PREPARING for when the RV was actually fixed. I don't really see the downside to having a plan and knowing what you are going to do. At Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had been practicing and planning months in advance. The pilots knew their targets, where they would be, and how to approach them. Needless to say, they won. I'm not saying Kenny is some kind of strategic mastermind. Far from that in fact. But he realizes the importance of planning and preparation.

[Kiel555]

Even if the RV wasn't completely fixed, it was fixed enough to get us far away from the motor inn in case of an emergency like, oh, say...a bandit raid? How many groups actually have working vehicles, working vehicles that can carry ALL those members of the group at one time? Frankly I was GLAD he was working on the RV. Remember, even if the RV was a POS, it was likely many times worse before Kenny began working on it. That RV, let us not forget, is also the only reason anyone in the group made it out of that raid alive. To call him irresponsible for not fixing it completely is just unfair. He's a fisherman ya know! He specializes in POS boats, not POS camping vehicles.

We have to live with this insufferable malcontent called Kenny for over a week and to the point that Lilly is pleading for just one week with out his constant bellyaching and the RV is not even ready to go.

Then we get attacked where Lilly and Lee free the hostages followed by Lilly, Lee and Carley killing most of the bandits (granted there was a walker assist). Then Lee kills many walkers and even saves Kat and Duck (mostly). Kenny was out of the fight, why? because he was still working on the RV!

I think if we had continued to stand our ground that in addition to seeing the end of the bandit threat the few remaining walkers could have been put down as well. I know one thing for sure, we did not get out of that raid alive because of Kenny.

[YamiRaziel]

Every normal human being would give a person who has lost a close family member some time to grief. Especially if it is your fault, you should be extra polite and careful.
However, that's not how Kenny rolls. He has to always put his shit in front of everybody else. Always, even when the damn RV is not ready. And no, it doesn't have anything to do with planning. It's just that things have to go his way.
It's one thing to make plans in case something happens and another to bitch and whine everyday for not having things done your way.
When Kenny asked me where do I stand on this matter I said we should stay. He told me that we had to leave and I said "Ok, we split then". He was actually offended because Lilly and Carley would stay with me and all he got was Ben... I mean, wtf?
To me he developed some very strong desire to control people for those 3 episodes and just wouldn't accept things not being done his way.

[Rock114]

Having time to grieve is nice and all, but did you see those bullet holes in the wall? And the arrows sticking out? I suppose Kenny would be a better person if Lilly took an arrow through the eye a few days later, as long as he gave her time to grieve for her zombie father. I'd rather have her alive and pissed at me than dead and feeling happy that I put the group's safety aside just so she can sort her feelings out.

Did Lilly even have a long term plan for the motor inn? The station wagon's food was going to run out before winter was over, and Macon looked pretty bare. How many times do people have to risk their lives going into a walker infested city for an ever-dwindling amount of supplies? The only food they brought back at the start of episode 3 were a few energy bars. Her response to the food situation at the start of episode 2 is "we'll find some". Sounds to me like Lilly is the one who says "To hell with preparation!" I'd rather take a chance out on the road than choose an arrow through the eye at the motel, or a slow death by starvation. When I told Kenny we'd split up, he said he would ahve done that a long time ago if he didn't see it as suicide.

And Kiel, what would you do when everyone ran out of ammo? The only melee weapon we had was confiscated by the St. Johns. Lee wouldn't exactly get extra points for "trying" if he charged a bandit with that thing even if he did still have it. He'd get a bullet to the face. You don't survive by trying to tank EVERY threat you see coming at you. You survive by eliminating it, or when the danger is too great (like a bandit raid with walkers coming in) you survive by running away. I'd rather not have to re-enact the Alamo, especially with a wall held together by duct tape and prayer being my only protection.

[YamiRaziel]

I think you underestimate the dangers one can face on the road. It is really a suicide. You think Savannah is going to be easy? Think again...
The only high change you have on the road is during winter. If I'm not mistaken walker freeze and cannot move.

[FarmerJoe]

Since episode 3 I don't feel as strongly to post that much in the fuck Kenny thread.
However, I still think he shows what a callous dick he is when he wants to leave Lilly behind at the motel.This is the very woman who's father's skull he smashed,in front of her,only a week ago.Does Kenny change his attitude and behaviour towards her following what he did? show an ounce of contrition? no, he just keeps on bitching and whining.

Thankfully Kenny repaired(just enough) the RV and did some supply runs/hunting with Lee. Good, he should contribute something since he didn't seem to do anything to keep the motel maintained. In episode 2 he sat on his backside while an old man with a heart condition worked on the barricades, which kept them safe, and another man saved his wife. In Jolene's video it even showed Larry moving large furniture while Kenny stood waving his arms and giving orders to Lee.

I'm willing to give Kenny a chance in episode 4 but if he wants to leave my Lee will not stop him but he will not let him die either, if it's possible to save him.

[Cyreen]

An average winter temperature of 39 °F (4 °C), is not cold enough to freeze anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29

You are just as likely to die sitting still, as moving. You go where the supplies are.

[Wrighty]

That's not the point, man. Of course, we're glad to have an emergency escape plan. However, I was left with the impression that this was all he was talking about the entire week between ep.2 and ep.3. Why would he pressure the entire group and Lilly like that when the RV is not even ready? It seems stupid and childish. Lilly needed some time to mourn but instead he kept arguing with her when the RV wasn't even finished. What if he couldn't fully repair it? What if he didn't have the spare parts to make it fully working? Was it really necessary to annoy the entire group with his constant whining and fighting?

As for Kenny's RV saving the situation, I think you're giving him too much credit. Let's not forget that if it wasn't for Lilly and Lee, none would be alive to even start the RV.
It is interesting that I didn't even see that many walkers in that scene. I'm sure that the combined fire power of Lee, Lilly and Carly (optional) was more than enough to deal with both bandits and walkers. It felt stupid to abandon everything, but I guess it was all in the heat of the moment.

For all we know, he had the tools and just needed more time to work on it and test it. Kenny knew that bandits knew about the camp and were dangerous and so he wanted everyone to get on the RV and GTFO when anything bad happens, not bicker and argue about it. Better to argue about it and convince people leavings good, before something bad happens. Dont want people doing something stupid like staying in the motel with bandits and walkers for miles approaching. Did you not see how many bandits and walkers were around, and do you really think they had the ammo and strength to deal with all of them?

[Wrighty]

Since episode 3 I don't feel as strongly to post that much in the fuck Kenny thread.
However, I still think he shows what a callous dick he is when he wants to leave Lilly behind at the motel.This is the very woman who's father's skull he smashed,in front of her,only a week ago.Does Kenny change his attitude and behaviour towards her following what he did? show an ounce of contrition? no, he just keeps on bitching and whining.

Thankfully Kenny repaired(just enough) the RV and did some supply runs/hunting with Lee. Good, he should contribute something since he didn't seem to do anything to keep the motel maintained. In episode 2 he sat on his backside while an old man with a heart condition worked on the barricades, which kept them safe, and another man saved his wife. In Jolene's video it even showed Larry moving large furniture while Kenny stood waving his arms and giving orders to Lee.

I'm willing to give Kenny a chance in episode 4 but if he wants to leave my Lee will not stop him but he will not let him die either, if it's possible to save him.

Bandits and walkers were approaching from all sides, his son and wife had nearly been killed, and they were all sitting in a very exposed RV and Lilly was on the balcony. I cant blame Kenny for wanting to GTFO as quickly as possible, it was the smart thing to do. Better one dies than the RV getting damaged and the whole group dies.

Larry did some work on the barricades, Lilly stayed on watch and handed out rations. Kenny meanwhile went on a dangerous supply mission with Lee and Mark and helped save Ben and his teachers lifes. And it was just chance that Lee was the one to save Kat and not Kenny. And Larry is huge and strong, of course he has to be the one to move large things. No one else probably has the strength. Not to mention Lilly is in charge of rations, so Larry probably gets more than his fair share :P

[Kiel555]

And Kiel, what would you do when everyone ran out of ammo? The only melee weapon we had was confiscated by the St. Johns. Lee wouldn't exactly get extra points for "trying" if he charged a bandit with that thing even if he did still have it. He'd get a bullet to the face. You don't survive by trying to tank EVERY threat you see coming at you. You survive by eliminating it, or when the danger is too great (like a bandit raid with walkers coming in) you survive by running away. I'd rather not have to re-enact the Alamo, especially with a wall held together by duct tape and prayer being my only protection.

Tha Alamo? The fight came to us and it did appear that that those who were actively defending our "home", Lilly, Lee and Carley, were gaining the upper hand.

I wish I knew what weapons and ammo the group has but TTG does not make those details available to the player. Even now, I think the only person who is armed in Lee. Maybe he only has one bullet left maybe he has twenty...don't know.

But back at the Alamo, you just do what we see done in every war movie ever made when ammo gets low or runs out...you walk over to the dead bodies (the bandits in this case) and take their weapon and ammo. Once that initial wave of walkers is dealt with I would start using Linda's crossbow as needed to not attract more walkers.

[Rock114]

Tha Alamo? The fight came to us and it did appear that that those who were actively defending our "home", Lilly, Lee and Carley, were gaining the upper hand.

I wish I knew what weapons and ammo the group has but TTG does not make those details available to the player. Even now, I think the only person who is armed in Lee. Maybe he only has one bullet left maybe he has twenty...don't know.

But back at the Alamo, you just do what we see done in every war movie ever made when ammo gets low or runs out...you walk over to the dead bodies (the bandits in this case) and take their weapon and ammo. Once that initial wave of walkers is dealt with I would start using Linda's crossbow as needed to not attract more walkers.

I guess it's just differences in opinion then. Personally, I'd rather not HAVE to defend our home if it looks like it's being overrun. I saw the only way out as being the RV, but I would have felt really stupid if it turned out that we could have held the motel with minimal casualties (1-2 people is what I would count as acceptable). Since I guess we'll never know either way, I'll still give Kenny some of the credit for saving us. It didn't look to me like we could hold them off, and even Lee says "no shit" when Kenny tells him to get everyone to the RV. I'd rather be back at the motor inn than Savvanah though, because at least there we had a wall between us and them.

[YamiRaziel]

I guess it's just differences in opinion then. Personally, I'd rather not HAVE to defend our home if it looks like it's being overrun. I saw the only way out as being the RV, but I would have felt really stupid if it turned out that we could have held the motel with minimal casualties (1-2 people is what I would count as acceptable). Since I guess we'll never know either way, I'll still give Kenny some of the credit for saving us. It didn't look to me like we could hold them off, and even Lee says "no shit" when Kenny tells him to get everyone to the RV. I'd rather be back at the motor inn than Savvanah though, because at least there we had a wall between us and them.

The thing is the for 3 months there could be some much powerful gangs we can encounter than the ones we already knew about.
Both situations present huge risks so... it all comes to personal approach.

[Kiel555]

I guess it's just differences in opinion then. Personally, I'd rather not HAVE to defend our home if it looks like it's being overrun. I saw the only way out as being the RV, but I would have felt really stupid if it turned out that we could have held the motel with minimal casualties (1-2 people is what I would count as acceptable). Since I guess we'll never know either way, I'll still give Kenny some of the credit for saving us. It didn't look to me like we could hold them off, and even Lee says "no shit" when Kenny tells him to get everyone to the RV. I'd rather be back at the motor inn than Savvanah though, because at least there we had a wall between us and them.

Yeah...I just got a look at the e4 trailer. One or two casualties works for me too if it meant not having to go to Savannah.

[FarmerJoe]

Yeah...I just got a look at the e4 trailer. One or two casualties works for me too if it meant not having to go to Savannah.

Would I be right if I suggested Ben as being one of those casulties?

[Zeruis]

I'm giving Kenny a break in the next episode. Looks like the poor guy will become an alcoholic.

[Kiel555]

Would I be right if I suggested Ben as being one of those casulties?

Oh yeah...Ben would make an excellent casualty. I told Lee to kick him off the train...after watching the e4 trailer I'm just shaking my head in disappointment with Lee...and where the hell is Chucks guitar? e4 is going to be a rough one.

[Rock114]

I actually didn't see Kenny as becoming an alcoholic outright... Poor guy. The only group members who actually have their shit together anymore seem to be Christa and Lee. Chuck is an unknown, Ben is a damn coward, Omid is wounded and Kenny is a drunk. And Joe, if you saw the episode 4 trailer you would know you were right.

[Kiel555]

I'm giving Kenny a break in the next episode. Looks like the poor guy will become an alcoholic.

No slack for Kenny. He has no friends in my game. He can drink the whole bottle with my compliments then take a nice moonlite stroll in downtown Savannah for all I care.

[Viser]

No slack for Kenny. He has no friends in my game. He can drink the whole bottle with my compliments then take a nice moonlite stroll in downtown Savannah for all I care.

I Agree.
I have been trying to give that friendship a second chance, but I'm not gonna keep trying if he's just gonna be a dick to everyone. While I won't let him die if I can help it, if I had to choose between him and anyone else (yes, even Ben), I'd pick 'anyone else' anytime.

[Cyreen]

One good bender does not an alcoholic make. I think that it would be very difficult to cultivate a proper addiction during a ZA.

[8Bit_System]

Not in the beginning dear... when all the shelves are stuffed with... erm... stuff...

[YamiRaziel]

I predicted Kenny will be acting like this. He will become even a bigger liability to my group...

[Wrighty]

One good bender does not an alcoholic make. I think that it would be very difficult to cultivate a proper addiction during a ZA.

This. Not to mention his wife and kid, the things he cared about most in the world died and he didnt even seem that drunk. We havent even seen him do anything wrong. Seems Kenny haters just like to jump to conclusions.

(And calling Kenny a liability when Lilly shot a innocent person and scared everyone else seems pretty hypocritical)

[YamiRaziel]

Lilly shooting a member of our group, doesn't make Kenny less of a liability.

[Viser]

This. Not to mention his wife and kid, the things he cared about most in the world died and he didnt even seem that drunk. We havent even seen him do anything wrong. Seems Kenny haters just like to jump to conclusions.

(And calling Kenny a liability when Lilly shot a innocent person and scared everyone else seems pretty hypocritical)

In my game he didn't try to help me when I needed him twice (in situations that could ultimately cause Lee's death), just because I didn't agree with him on the meat locker. And he ended up killing Larry either way, so I thought he would forgive Lee with time... doesn't seem like that's happening.

Anyway, I'm not a Kenny hater. I'm just saying he would be at the very bottom of my priority list if I had one.

[Rock114]

Yeah Kenny is a liability now, but no less than Lilly was after the meat locker and before the bandit raid. You want a REAL liability? Try Ben. Even Omid has done more than Ben has by this point, and all Omid did was help us cut down the tanker and break his leg. I wasn't ready to kick Lilly to the curb because she was a liability, I did it because she murdered an innocent group member. And I felt really bad for it. The only reason I'm not changing that is because that was in my canon save, and that's the one where I live with my choices no matter what. The only thing Kenny could really do at this point to make me exile/kill him is if he hurts Clem in some way. Kenny seems like he'll do far more harm to himself than anyone else at this point.

[Rock114]

In my game he didn't try to help me when I needed him twice (in situations that could ultimately cause Lee's death), just because I didn't agree with him on the meat locker, and he ended up killing Larry either way, so I thought he would forgive Lee with time... doesn't seem like that's happening.

Anyway, I'm not a Kenny hater. I'm just saying he would be at the very bottom of my priority list if I had one.

And actually, Kenny WILL forgive you at the end of episode 3, or so I've heard. What I heard was that he says he'd like to bury the hatchet with you because "it's what Kat would have wanted". I never encountered that line though, as me and him are BFFs.

[Viser]

And actually, Kenny WILL forgive you at the end of episode 3, or so I've heard. What I heard was that he says he'd like to bury the hatchet with you because "it's what Kat would have wanted". I never encountered that line though, as me and him are BFFs.

Really? I mean, I tried being nice to him, I didn't even fight him no matter how much he was asking for it because of the situation he was in, but it didn't really seem to change anything between me and him...

And on another note, that situation involving Clem and Ben... I'm going a little off-topic here (this is Fuck Kenny, not Ben :D) but I'm gonna go as far as guessing that was a scene that could change according to how you treat Ben, like, if you threatened him and stuff he wouldn't save her, and vice-versa. If that's not the case, though, that boy is just a worthless coward, and that would definitely put him at the bottom of my non-existing priority list, so I'd probably go back to trying to get Kenny's friendship back :D

[Rock114]

Really? I mean, I tried being nice to him, I didn't even fight him no matter how much he was asking for it because of the situation he was in, but it didn't really seem to change anything between me and him...

And on another note, that situation involving Clem and Ben... I'm going a little off-topic here (this is Fuck Kenny, not Ben :D) but I'm gonna go as far as guessing that was a scene that could change according to how you treat Ben, like, if you threatened him and stuff he wouldn't save her, and vice-versa. If that's not the case, though, that boy is just a worthless coward, and that would definitely put him at the bottom of my non-existing priority list, so I'd probably go back to trying to get Kenny's friendship back :D

I kind of hope it isn't a scene that changes, if only to be more consistent with Ben's character. We need a good coward in our group.

[Viser]

I kind of hope it isn't a scene that changes, if only to be more consistent with Ben's character. We need a good coward in our group.

Well, I don't know. Because it would make sense, if people keep threatening Ben and treating him like crap, he doesn't really create any ties with people on the group, which would cause his selfish behavior of leaving a little kid behind to increase his chances of living. If Lee's nice enough to him, he'll have a friend to protect kinda like Kenny does if you side with him. But I don't know, I'm gonna stop speculating here, otherwise the thread will get derailed XD

[Rock114]

Well, I don't know. Because it would make sense, if people keep threatening Ben and treating him like crap, he doesn't really create any ties with people on the group, which would cause his selfish behavior of leaving a little kid behind to increase his chances of living. If Lee's nice enough to him, he'll have a friend to protect kinda like Kenny does if you side with him. But I don't know, I'm gonna stop speculating here, otherwise the thread will get derailed XD

Damnit, the speculating stopped before I could get in on it! And how many times has this thread derailed from the main topic, then come back? Someone, please go read through the previous 50 or so pages and let us know, will you?

[Viser]

Damnit, the speculating stopped before I could get in on it! And how many times has this thread derailed from the main topic, then come back? Someone, please go read through the previous 50 or so pages and let us know, will you?

I would love to hear what you have to speculate about this, but I don't think it would be adequate to do it in this thread XD

[Kiel555]

Damnit, the speculating stopped before I could get in on it! And how many times has this thread derailed from the main topic, then come back? Someone, please go read through the previous 50 or so pages and let us know, will you?

I'm with Viser on this one. There is plenty of room for hate on this thread for Kenny but Kenny AND Ben may be too much. I think Ben has "earned" his very own thead page anyways.:D

[YamiRaziel]

I kind of hope it isn't a scene that changes, if only to be more consistent with Ben's character. We need a good coward in our group.

I have plenty of cowards in my group... I really do not need more. The trailer was good but I'm not sure it will be my game. I mean I was never keen on the whole boat idea so...
I do think that the new ep 4 is gonna be a whole new level of dark :)

[Rock114]

I have plenty of cowards in my group... I really do not need more. The trailer was good but I'm not sure it will be my game. I mean I was never keen on the whole boat idea so...
I do think that the new ep 4 is gonna be a whole new level of dark :)

Gary Whitta said it would get even worse, and I'm inclined to believe him... and multiple cowards you say? The only one I see is the one who left Clem surrounded by walkers to save his own skin.

[Kiel555]

I hope the trailer was just a team Kenny playthrough. I made several choices to part ways with Kenny in e3 even telling him to be on his merry when we reach Savannah. If we're all stuck with Kenny and looking for a boat e4 is just going to suck. I can see it now, Kenny leaves me to die been there done that. Critical choice...save Kenny or Christ'a cat? What's it going to be...the cat. Give the booze to Charles, Kenny or keep for self....keep for self.

Seriously though, I think e4 will be terrific even if I have to suffer another episode with Kenny and Ben.

[Rock114]

I hope the trailer was just a team Kenny playthrough. I made several choices to part ways with Kenny in e3 even telling him to be on his merry when we reach Savannah. If we're all stuck with Kenny and looking for a boat e4 is just going to suck. I can see it now, Kenny leaves me to die been there done that. Critical choice...save Kenny or Christ'a cat? What's it going to be...the cat. Give the booze to Charles, Kenny or keep for self....keep for self.

Seriously though, I think e4 will be terrific even if I have to suffer another episode with Kenny and Ben.

Kenny has been with us for almost as long as Clem. They'll keep him for Episode 5, then kill him off so it's super sad for Team Kenny and super gratifying for Team Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore. Actually, considering what we've seen from the trailer Lilly got off really lucky.

[Kiel555]

Kenny has been with us for almost as long as Clem. They'll keep him for Episode 5, then kill him off so it's super sad for Team Kenny and super gratifying for Team Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore. Actually, considering what we've seen from the trailer Lilly got off really lucky.

Well let's not limit TTG. I think they can achieve a respectable amount of sorrow from team Kenny and glee from Team Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore if Kenny were to meet an unfortunate accident say mid-e4. :D

[Rock114]

Well let's not limit TTG. I think they can achieve a respectable amount of sorrow from team Kenny and glee from Team Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore if Kenny were to meet an unfortunate accident say mid-e4. :D

I'd actually love to see him just give up right before he steps on the boat. Wander back into the town to die because he has no reason to live anymore, and that's the last we see of him. And heck, no matter how he dies I'll probably start sobbing if it's done well. And think of it this way...

If he lives until near the end of Episode 5, without having to worry about his character's story anymore, TTG could have him sacrifice himself for the people he's cool with (Team Kenny) or turn on Lee and the player is forced to kill him (Team-Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore and those blasted neutrals). The best of both worlds, and everyone sees him die like they picture he should in their playthrough.

[Kiel555]

I'd actually love to see him just give up right before he steps on the boat. Wander back into the town to die because he has no reason to live anymore, and that's the last we see of him. And heck, no matter how he dies I'll probably start sobbing if it's done well. And think of it this way...

If he lives until near the end of Episode 5, without having to worry about his character's story anymore, TTG could have him sacrifice himself for the people he's cool with (Team Kenny) or turn on Lee and the player is forced to kill him (Team-Girl-Who's-Not-Here-Anymore and those blasted neutrals). The best of both worlds, and everyone sees him die like they picture he should in their playthrough.

I hear you. I just don't want to turn into one of those "choice doesn't matter" players is all. From my perspective, Kenny has had a really good story and a pretty good run. Now, with Lee and Clem "choosing to part ways with Kenny" and with Lee "choosing to tell Kenny our plans don't include him" that now would be a good time to close out chapter Kenny of the story.

I don't need that satisfaction of being right about Kenny. If he just went away I'd call it even, live with the choices I made in e3 and look forward to more great story telling in e4 and e5.

It just makes no sense to me if everyone has to go with Kenny to look for a boat and to add insult to injury Lee has to reassure Christa that this is a good idea and the boats are just around the corner. I can understand how that may be okay in your game but in mine the story would hit a new low.

[Rock114]

I hear you. I just don't want to turn into one of those "choice doesn't matter" players is all. From my perspective, Kenny has had a really good story and a pretty good run. Now, with Lee and Clem "choosing to part ways with Kenny" and with Lee "choosing to tell Kenny our plans don't include him" that now would be a good time to close out chapter Kenny of the story.

I don't need that satisfaction of being right about Kenny. If he just went away I'd call it even, live with the choices I made in e3 and look forward to more great story telling in e4 and e5.

It just makes no sense to me if everyone has to go with Kenny to look for a boat and to add insult to injury Lee has to reassure Christa that this is a good idea and the boats are just around the corner. I can understand how that may be okay in your game but in mine the story would hit a new low.

I can see it like that, if you choose to tell Clem you should go your own way. I told her we would find a boat, and stay with Kenny. I thought splitting up wouldn't be a good idea, especially after hearing the guy on the radio. In my playthrough it makes perfect sense for Kenny to be with us, but it seems kind of like condensing the story a bit if you want to leave but you're forced to stay with the current group. I'm sure that there is a reasonable in game explanation for not being able to leave Kenny and the rest, like when he mentions that the walkers are everywhere and the guy on the radio is messing with them. Agreed that Kenny has had a good run (not from his perspective I bet) and that, by this time players who want to part with him should have that choice. I hope it really doesn't ruin it for you, being forced to stay with Kenny for a great majority of the episode. I'd probably feel the same way if he and Lilly had been switched around.

[YamiRaziel]

I do hope that Telltale reads those forums. I mean sometimes when you create a character as complex as Lilly and Kenny you might miss a possible perspective for the character. My Lee not having the choice to say or do the things that would be the most natural choices for him to do, would definitely be somewhat of a letdown. However, as long as they focus on their great storytelling I think I would be able to forgive them that.

[Rock114]

I do hope that Telltale reads those forums. I mean sometimes when you create a character as complex as Lilly and Kenny you might miss a possible perspective for the character. My Lee not having the choice to say or do the things that would be the most natural choices for him to do, would definitely be somewhat of a letdown. However, as long as they focus on their great storytelling I think I would be able to forgive them that.

Oh, they read the forums all right. I remember reading an interview a little while back where Jake Rodkin said he encountered two-three paragraph posts about Larry not deserving what he got (in the aftermath of Episode 2). I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped in to thebigger threads like this one from time to time, just to see what people think of their brilliantly written characters.

[Master of Aeons]

...their brilliantly written characters.

Or Duck.

[YamiRaziel]

A possibly spoilerISH screenshot Telltale released today/yesterday/the day before yesterday.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/425858_521006404580197_2069716173_n.jpg

So guys, what are you gonna do with Kenny? Those of us who really cannot stand him, should we let him die or risk our/somebody else's life in order to try and save his ungrateful skin?
I think I'm just gonna stand and watch... just the way he did in my ep 2 and 3. When the comes I will probably have a change of heart and I'll try to save him. For now however, I would love to think that I will give him what he deserves. However, I am absolutely positive that if I have to risk somebody's life in order to save his, I won't do it. He hasn't earned it.

[Viner16]

Kenny left me for dead twice in past episodes.

Ep 4

Kenny: "LEE! My Gun!"

Lee: *Kicks gun away, books it *

:D :D :D

[FarmerJoe]

If it's just Kenny in danger then I'll save the vindictive asshole but I'm waiting until the timer is almost gone,let HIM have a taste of his own medicine for a change :D
I hope that will teach him that you don't have to be best buds to save a fellow group member,a grovelling apology would also be nice.
If it turns out to be a Carley/Doug situation...
So long Kenny boy, I hope it doesn't hurt too much :p

I would rather Kenny left the group alive than dead and he can take that gangly piece of shit Ben with him too.

[YamiRaziel]

Fuck you, Kenny!!! I hope you die in misery and loneliness on your stupid boat. I didn't want you with me anyway!

[KMatt]

I didn't bring Kenny along with me (heck I didn't bring anyone along). Let him go fix his little boat. I've got Clem to save!

[YamiRaziel]

I"m really glad they did that in the end of ep. 4. You know, when you're about to die and you really need their help... people show their true colours. I've saved Kenny plenty of times and he was still ready to leave me just because I didn't agree with him every fucking time. Good that I finally got the option to tell him what I think of him.
Even Ben decided to help me, even though I voted against him for the boat. I guess he might be stupid, but he doesn't hold grudges, like some other people.

[Kiel555]

I can't even begin to describe how good it felt to swear at Kenny and tell him to go get fucked. Made my day. What a great game!

[YamiRaziel]

I can't even begin to describe how good it felt to swear at Kenny and tell him to go get fucked. Made my day. What a great game!

Totally man! Episode 4 was a beast... Telltale knows how to deliver!

[Greekcian]

So much for feeding his kid and stuff. That reminds me, I still have two energy bars from episode one somewhere. Where are those at Telltale? Stuck in my ass with the axe maybe?

[Kiel555]

I'm really starting to like the silent option for Lee in the game. Kenny and Ben have been dead to me since e3 and every time a dialogue option came up for them I'd select "...". Made the game a lot more tolerable to play. In e4 when Lee and Kenny are at the docks looking for a boat, don't ask me why what a dumb idea, I just selected ... everytime. It's actually kind of funny in a way.

I've really enjoyed the last part of e4 with no Kenny or Ben in the group. Oh well, all good things must come to an end, I think with the herd arriving in town that everyone, except for Ben that is (a walker got him), will be back in the group even if you did not take them with you.

[Rock114]

I think that anyone who stays behind at the house has a greater chance of survival than anyone going on this suicide mission to save Clem. Makes me somewhat wish I'd hidden my bite so Christa and Omid would stay, while Kenny and I go to find Clem and get killed without putting two of the only nice people left in the world at risk.

[BuckFen]

I'd have to say, as much as I hate Ben for being such a pussy I think I actually hate Kenny more. From the moment you meet Kenny he's a selfish bastard. He only looks out for himself and his family. He doesn't really even care about you. At the farm he saves Duck and runs off not even bothering to save Shawn Greene.

I'm not going to bend myself backwards through the whole game and pledge loyalty to this asshole just so he would be willing to save someone else's skin i.e. Clementine at the end of Episode 4. He's hardly ever had your back through the whole game.

Kenny Episode 1

Saves Duck, leaves you to save Shawn Greene
Wants you to go with him because you can knock some heads (pretty much can't defend himself)
Let's you do all the work at the Pharmacy while he kicks back with his family
Barely picks you up because Larry knocks your lights out while trying to escape the Pharmacy


Kenny Episode 2

You try to save Katjaa (his wife) but you get attacked by Ben's dead friend/teacher instead, Kenny doesn't save you and doesn't even thank you for attempting to save one of his family member
At St. John's Dairy you and Mark get attacked by bandits but hey where's Kenny to save the day? Nowhere to be found
He murders Larry in cold blood even after Larry shows some sign of life after like the 4th chest compression
After escaping the freezer you come out to Danny and Andy, you hide in one of the stalls, Danny's got a gun right to your face but hey Kenny's right beside you and doesn't help instead runs to make sure his family is safe instead and leaves you behind to deal with Danny
You fight Andy and are about to get electrocuted on the fence, oops! where's Kenny? Oh yeah he was smart to charge at full speed against Andy with a loaded gun and got shot on his side, not the wisest choices Kenny made


Kenny Episode 3

Drops you on your head when trying to climb the ladder back into the Pharmacy and lies that he's okay
Threatens to leave you and ride his RV with his family leaving everyone behind if you don't pick a side
You get attacked by the helicopter pilot while Kenny just watches you fend for yourself
Wants you to choose a side back when he and Lily where fighting over who's in charge, but when you need help saving Carley yeah...he doesn't want to get involved and Carley gets killed
Wants you to figure out how to start the train while he chills as the train conductor at the front
Doesn't want to stop the train so you have to beat some sense into him
You tell him to shoot his own son because he doesn't have the balls to do it
You and Clementine get attacked by walkers at the train station, gee where's Kenny? I'm sure it doesn't take that long to teach Omid how to run the train


Kenny Episode 4

Kenny gets caught by the ankle from a zombie, you shoot the zombie and free him
Kenny can't kill the starving kid who died and turned into a zombie in the attic, once again you have to tell him to shoot otherwise he'd let that thing kill himself
At the docks you and Kenny are suppose to ambush ninja Molly but you and Kenny get your asses kicked and Clementine pretty much saves you both
The docks are flooded with zombies, Molly runs away and manages to pull up Kenny and Clementine, again Kenny lends you a hand but drops you on the ground like at the Pharmacy and Molly's Hilda saves you
Kenny decides to get drunk instead of helping you find Clementine
You help Kenny and Brie secure the door to the playground and he goes back into the classroom leaving you to fight off walkers that trapped Christa and Vernon in the infirmary
Kenny that idiot sends Ben out to find something to break the armory door when he knows damn well that Ben is a total f*** up so you and Molly get attacked by zombies
Your leg gets caught in the hole on the stairs, where's Kenny to save you? Oh yeah he ran up the stairs to save himself...and he left you this shotgun that has unlimited ammo
You have to fight your way up the staircase full of zombies, Kenny where are you to help? Christa helps you popping a few zombie headshots
Clementine disappears and Omid/Christa come to help but Kenny will only do so if you were pretty much a 100% loyal dog and servant to him or you beg him that Clem is your only family


TLDR; Buck Fenny!

P.S. My last save Omid/Christa/Ben are with me to go to Episode 5 I don't care if Kenny drowns or dies in his boat or he leaves us behind, he let me down so many times and I'm looking forward to getting rid of Kenny. At the end of the day I keep asking myself "Would this be the kind of guy I would like to have as a partner if a zombie apocalypse happened?" And to that I say hell mutha**************************** NO!

[YamiRaziel]

Hey guys. Do you think that in ep.5 we will meet Kenny again, if we've chosen the "go fuck yourself" option :)

[Viser]

I don't even know what happens when you choose it. I wish someone I watch on youtube picked that option D:

Anyhow, I think we probably will, he'll probably wait for you even though you told him to go f himself...

[QuarterPounderVlad]

..Wow, In 4 months this thread got 1060 posts. Just wow.

[Rock114]

He might side with the walkie-guy if he REALLY hates you. But if he gave you the bro speech (like me) he'll probably die for you.

[HiggsBoson2142]

P.S. My last save Omid/Christa/Ben are with me to go to Episode 5 I don't care if Kenny drowns or dies in his boat or he leaves us behind, he let me down so many times and I'm looking forward to getting rid of Kenny. At the end of the day I keep asking myself "Would this be the kind of guy I would like to have as a partner if a zombie apocalypse happened?" And to that I say hell mutha**************************** NO!

Buddy, I think...you're being paranoid.

[Malphaxis]

Kenny's "village people" soup strainer makes me cry OooGah!!!
Join team Ghey for Kenny!

[marcu5]

Buddy, I think...you're being paranoid.

he's not being paranoid, kenny is a selfish douche

[dukeleto]

kenny's a great guy if you side with him 100% of the time otherwise...


I wonder how many people would shoot kenny in the back soon as they get to his boat and get it running

I couldn't agree more! :)))

[LGThomas]

I like Kenny: all he's ever tried to do, is right by his family.

Larry was an asshole, who left you for dead only for Kenny to pull you out of the drugstore. Lily turned out be a complete pyscho too.

I felt genuinely sorry for Kenny dealing with his loss. Even though he may seem a bit unstable who has he hurt? Well, Larry, but as I said: Larry was an asshole.

[dukeleto]

I like Kenny: all he's ever tried to do, is right by his family.

Larry was an asshole, who left you for dead only for Kenny to pull you out of the drugstore. Lily turned out be a complete pyscho too.

I felt genuinely sorry for Kenny dealing with his loss. Even though he may seem a bit unstable who has he hurt? Well, Larry, but as I said: Larry was an asshole.

I completely think the opposite:)

Kenny treated like a coward for most of the time, and he was much selfish for many times and "I think" these were all about his desire to be a leader than his addiction to his family.
Remember how Katjaa thinks about his behaviours. I don't know your scenario, but in my scenario she was completely with me than she was with her own husband.

And about Larry... Even he left me behind for a couple of times, or even it looks like he was looking for a chance to stab me in the back; I really really couldn't get angry with him. Cause he never mentioned that he is my friend. At least he was honest with me.
After I gave him the chocolate bar (in the beginning of the second episode I think), his first words were "Don't you ever think this will change something..."
This was a great answer to me, and it meant to me that he secretly admires what I just did. Cause he didn't remain silent.
He was only not succesfull of warming people except her daughter. And all he cares was his daughter, he already mentioned that a billion times.
Anyway, think about yourself; what would you think about a man who was committed with a crime in some way or another, popping up with a little orphan girl? I don't think I could easily trust him.
And plus, think about how obsessive Larry was.

Lilly... ahhh... Even though she killed my beloved Carley, I still can't be angry with her too. So far to that point, she was with me at all time. She always confirmed what I did and she never gave up believing in me. The thing is she was so unstable after she lost her father. Larry means to her like her whole life, too. And I respect truthfully those two for this connection or theirs.

I didn't suprised when Lilly shot Carley after Carley's hard words. Lee was her second father prototype after her father gone -I think-, and she got depressed more and more when she couldn't express herself to Lee. And Carley really pushed her buttons, too. (I'm sure there was also an invisible contention about Lee between those two:) )

But, about Kenny...Nah, I really can't see any reason for him to be a real asshole until his losses, but only his desire for leading people. This ego of him was a dangerous one which causes his face to translate when Lee tried to cheer him up on the train.

I'm playing this game, trying to imagine why every character treat as they do.
So, after some discussion in me; I totally sympathize with Larry and Lilly much more (even I don't agree with their behaviours) than that asshole Kenny. I'm saying that, I'm not with them but I understand them. They had reasons one way or another.

Kenny's family was there, there were many people to be trusted around him, and the best part- I myself was there to do the dirty work; and he was still hungry for more and more...

Sorry, but no one can make me understand the ambition of that false & loser Kenny, when he insisted on plundering the lone car. How can he finds himself he has right to make a word, to make decisions after I did all the hard job with psycho brothers ! :S
Family issues, or what ? ! ?

[Rock114]

I think Kenny was a good person in Episode 1. Yeah he panics when it comes to Shawn, but if Lee goes for Shawn instead of Duck Kenny doesn't really get mad right then and even owns up to his mistake to Lee. He'll also come back and save your life no matter what he thinks of you after Larry punches you. I even give him credit for saving the entire group after the alarm goes off, where Lilly just focuses on Larry.

I've always considered it a gradual decline in his humanity over the 3 months the group's been surviving that lead to his current attitude. I don't really think he's a power hungry megalomaniac, at least anymore than Lilly was, but think that he TRULY thought that he knew what was best for the group. He was a total bastard to her after he killed her dad (and I felt like crap because I helped) and he's also pretty stupid at certain points (telling about the girl in the street, or saying he was proud of you for dropping Ben). He's a stupid redneck though, and lets his emotions get the best of him at times.

I pretty much forgave him after I talked him down on the train because I finally understood why he was acting like such a douche lately (he didn't leave me to die in the barn or under the door, but I got fed up with his crap during the supply run. I also shot the girl). When he said he kept blaming himself for Shawn and said that he knew that sooner or later it would catch up to him, that cast his actions in a different light to me. He was just scared of losing his only family in the world and thought that because he made one mistake on Hershal's farm that his wife and son would pay for it. Knowing that he's blaming himself for every bad thing that happens to his family made me understand why they seemed like the only thing he cared about. And when I was able to make him see that he was wrong without having to fight him, I forgave him when he went to deal with his son and stop the train. The same reason I forgave Ben at Crawford. He was willing to face his mistakes and take responsibility for his actions. He volunteered to find Clem without a second thought, so I'll be glad to have him watching my back in Episode 5.

[YamiRaziel]

Seeing this thread survive for so long just warms my heart :D
Rock114, that sounds like a pretty great story but unfortunately it can never happen in my playthrough.

[Ninnuendo]

Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.

A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.

That is not Kenny

Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.

Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.

[YamiRaziel]

Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.

A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.

That is not Kenny

Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.

Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.

What do you think of Lilly and Carley? :)

[Ninnuendo]

What do you think of Lilly and Carley? :)

I have no real opinion of Carley. As for Lilly, I liked her, I agreed with the way she ran things and I won't condemn her for that mistake after what Kenny did to her. Had she not driven off I would have taken Clem and gone with her.

[dukeleto]

Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.

A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.

That is not Kenny

Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.

Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.

I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...

Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty surprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode? :)

[YamiRaziel]

I have no real opinion of Carley. As for Lilly, I liked her, I agreed with the way she ran things and I won't condemn her for that mistake after what Kenny did to her. Had she not driven off I would have taken Clem and gone with her.

I know, right! You're one of the very few people who share my opinion of Lilly and Kenny :D

[Kiel555]

Seeing people defend Kenny because he was good to them in their playthrough says more about them than it does him. As I've said before, Good Kenny is not separate from Bad Kenny, this isn't the multiverse, this is one guy whose behaviour is dependent on whether you back him 100%.

A good guy is always a good guy, mistakes might be made but ultimately they attempt to do the right thing, regardless of the situation.

That is not Kenny

Kenny doesn't give a fuck about doing the right thing or being a good guy. Kenny is a trader, he's out for what he can get and if he doesn't feel you've given him enough, doing the "right thing" is completely irrelevant.
The guy has stuck with your group like a parasite because it was good for him. I actually tested that theory at the start of Ep 3 and suggested that if he wanted to take off in the RV then he should take his family and go. He didn't want to, admitting that he was screwed without everyone else.

Trust me that whether you think he's good or bad, when push comes to shove, Kenny will take care of himself and leave you to die.

This is exactly right. That's why I told Kenny to go fuck himself and he will not be with me in e5.

[YamiRaziel]

I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...

Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy
but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty suprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode? :)

I don't know, he didn't come with me in my playthrough. I didn't really give him the chance, either.
Since the end of ep.2 I had already made up my mind to ditch Kenny the second I'm presented with an opportunity.

[Kiel555]

I completely agree.
As I said before he is always hungry for more and more...

Whatever he did; even if I didn't choose him when it came to decisions, I always tried to be polite to him. I don't know, I really don't like that guy
but something held me back to treat him as he deserves. He is the last character who came all this way with me (ironically) except Clem, maybe that was the reason.
And I felt pretty suprised when he decided to come with me? But then, I thought his decision was something with my good attitude on him during whole game.
In the other hand, does any of you guys know why did this selfish jerk went with Lee at the end of the last episode? :)

Kenny has many flaws. Too many to be tolerated in my group. But if I was forced to say something good about Kenny it would be that he cares deeply for his family. I didn't ask him to join me in Clem's rescue mission. But I think if you tell him that Clem is family that he goes with you regardless of your standing with Kenny. This is Kenny's only good weakness and it says volumes about your character if you use this against him. I did not do this because I hate Kenny and don't need his services on this important mission.

[dukeleto]

Kenny has many flaws. Too many to be tolerated in my group. But if I was forced to say something good about Kenny it would be that he cares deeply for his family. I didn't ask him to join me in Clem's rescue mission. But I think if you tell him that Clem is family that he goes with you regardless of your standing with Kenny. This is Kenny's only good weakness and it says volumes about your character if you use this against him. I did not do this because I hate Kenny and don't need his services on this important mission.

I wish you could tell me these before I choose "Clem is family" dialog.
I didn't want him eighter, but he insisted and managed to come with me :)
I tried to make everyone give up that idea of coming with me, but whatever I did, they managed to join me one by one. And in the end, I was like... "Oo. oo- wha?..."
I was really very fond of going alone. This must have end like that. But they didn't let me do it, hahahaha :)))
(I don't want to get back to an early save point to change things as I never did it... well.... maybe I could have tried with that Lilly-Carley scene :))

[Ninnuendo]

It's interesting that the one good thing you can say about Kenny is that he cares about his family, yet when did he actually take care of them?

Ep 1 - On the tractor (Lee saves Duck)
Ep 1 - Outside the pharmacy (Carley saves Duck)
Ep 2 - By the truck (Lee saves Katjaa)
Ep 2 - In the house (Lee saves Katjaa from Brenda)
Ep 2 - Outside the house (Lee saves Duck after Kenny fucks it up)
Ep 3 - During the ambush (Lee saves Katjaa and Duck). Carley, Lilly and Lee are dealing with the walkers. Where's Kenny? He's left his family behind to get the RV started :|

He couldn't even finish off Duck, even when Katjaa and Lee both said he should, instead leaving him alone in the forest.

[Kiel555]

I wish you could tell me these before I choose "Clem is family" dialog.
I don't want him eighter, but he insisted and managed to come with me :)
I tried to make everyone give up that idea of coming with me, but whatever I did, they managed to join me one by one. And in the end, I was like... "Oo. oo- wha?..."
I was really very fond of going alone. This must have end like that. But they didn't let me do it, hahahaha :)))
(I don't want to get back to an early save point to change things as I never did it... well.... maybe I could have tried with that Lilly-Carley scene :))

There is a certain appeal to going alone. It's like that's the way John Wayne would have done it! Everyone that is going on this mission is going to die in my opinion. I too would prefer to go alone but I think Omid and Christa care for Clem too so I'm glad they are with me.

I don't do rewinds or have multiple playthroughs either. These other options I learn about on the forums. Still, if you were to do a rewind and ditch Kenny I certainly would not ask any questions.:D

[Kiel555]

It's interesting that the one good thing you can say about Kenny is that he cares about his family, yet when did he actually take care of them?

Ep 1 - On the tractor (Lee saves Duck)
Ep 1 - Outside the pharmacy (Carley saves Duck)
Ep 2 - By the truck (Lee saves Katjaa)
Ep 2 - In the house (Lee saves Katjaa from Brenda)
Ep 2 - Outside the house (Lee saves Duck after Kenny fucks it up)
Ep 3 - During the ambush (Lee saves Katjaa and Duck). Carley, Lilly and Lee are dealing with the walkers. Where's Kenny? He's left his family behind to get the RV started :|

He couldn't even finish off Duck, even when Katjaa and Lee both said he should, instead leaving him alone in the forest.

Well, no argument there. I've just seen Kenny become more "concerned" when his family is involved. Charging Andy and getting shot in the process is more in line with what I mean and why he would go with you to rescue Clem if you told him she was family.

[Wrighty]

I think Kenny was a good person in Episode 1. Yeah he panics when it comes to Shawn, but if Lee goes for Shawn instead of Duck Kenny doesn't really get mad right then and even owns up to his mistake to Lee. He'll also come back and save your life no matter what he thinks of you after Larry punches you. I even give him credit for saving the entire group after the alarm goes off, where Lilly just focuses on Larry.

I've always considered it a gradual decline in his humanity over the 3 months the group's been surviving that lead to his current attitude. I don't really think he's a power hungry megalomaniac, at least anymore than Lilly was, but think that he TRULY thought that he knew what was best for the group. He was a total bastard to her after he killed her dad (and I felt like crap because I helped) and he's also pretty stupid at certain points (telling about the girl in the street, or saying he was proud of you for dropping Ben). He's a stupid redneck though, and lets his emotions get the best of him at times.

I pretty much forgave him after I talked him down on the train because I finally understood why he was acting like such a douche lately (he didn't leave me to die in the barn or under the door, but I got fed up with his crap during the supply run. I also shot the girl). When he said he kept blaming himself for Shawn and said that he knew that sooner or later it would catch up to him, that cast his actions in a different light to me. He was just scared of losing his only family in the world and thought that because he made one mistake on Hershal's farm that his wife and son would pay for it. Knowing that he's blaming himself for every bad thing that happens to his family made me understand why they seemed like the only thing he cared about. And when I was able to make him see that he was wrong without having to fight him, I forgave him when he went to deal with his son and stop the train. The same reason I forgave Ben at Crawford. He was willing to face his mistakes and take responsibility for his actions. He volunteered to find Clem without a second thought, so I'll be glad to have him watching my back in Episode 5.

You traitor, i thought you were a fellow Kenny lover :P

Seriously though how is Kenny stupid for saying what happened in Macon? He is trying to tell Lilly what Macon is really like and how dangerous going in there really is. She's not the one taking the risk, she needs to know. And although i didnt actually kill Ben, im not suprised he said he was proud of you for doing so. The guy had recently killed his family and he probably felt some sick satisfaction in him being gone as im sure many other players had for his role in Carely's death. And we didnt even know her that well!

To all you darned Lilly fans, you can lose everyone's loyalty. Do the wrong things and Christa and Omid will leave you on your own as will Ben. And at least its possible to get Kenny on your side, so matter how kind and thoughtful and helpful you are to Lilly and no matter how you treat her dad, she still absolutely screws you over and leaves you to die, stealing you're only mode of transport and leaving you with the people you obviously hate so much (as well as a person recently bit) So much for her friendship

[dukeleto]

You traitor, i thought you were a fellow Kenny lover :P

Seriously though how is Kenny stupid for saying what happened in Macon? He is trying to tell Lilly what Macon is really like and how dangerous going in there really is. She's not the one taking the risk, she needs to know. And although i didnt actually kill Ben, im not suprised he said he was proud of you for doing so. The guy had recently killed his family and he probably felt some sick satisfaction in him being gone as im sure many other players had for his role in Carely's death. And we didnt even know her that well!

To all you darned Lilly fans, you can lose everyone's loyalty. Do the wrong things and Christa and Omid will leave you on your own as will Ben. And at least its possible to get Kenny on your side, so matter how kind and thoughtful and helpful you are to Lilly and no matter how you treat her dad, she still absolutely screws you over and leaves you to die, stealing you're only mode of transport and leaving you with the people you obviously hate so much (as well as a person recently bit) So much for her friendship


No problem with them leaving me behind IF they have a reasonable purpose. I mean IF they act with a logical reason, it is ok with me.
At least they won't keep babbling about a missing boat after all that hardwork of mine, or they won't fall in love with drinking while a lonely little girl wandering around in an empty&creepy manor.
And at least Omid and Christa would know how to shoot a walker if they are half of Lilly. (Remember where Kenny were when those many walkers attacked to the Motor Inn ...)

I don't know if you watched one of very first Walking Dead promo videos as there can be seen, Christa is shooting herself in the head in the woods. Maybe it is because she is bitten, or Omid is long gone. Mark my words, she is dead already :)

I don't think this "who comes or not" issue effects the whole episode. I mean eighter you choose them to come or not, they will supposedly rejoin with you at some exact point of the final chapter of this story.

Well, again about Kenny... Regardless, he is an useless dumbass. He would shoot me and then himself on Finale as it begins! That would be best for him :)))

[moshiXcakes]

I think Kenny and Lilly are similar characters. They have the same motives, but different ways of approaching them.
I prefer Kenny though, to me his ideas make more sense and are better for the group as a whole. Another reason I prefer Kenny though is because from what we've seen so far he hasn't gone psycho after losing everything. Also it might be more of a benefit to side with Kenny because he can be with you in episode 5; whereas Lilly is gone in episode 3. Some people think she might come back, but I don't think she will :rolleyes:
Anyway, it's all just my opinion. We either side with Lilly or Kenny depending on our own sense of right and wrong :)

[Wrighty]

No problem with them leaving me behind IF they have a reasonable purpose. I mean IF they act with a logical reason, it is ok with me.
At least they won't keep babbling about a missing boat after all that hardwork of mine, or they won't fall in love with drinking while a lonely little girl wandering around in an empty&creepy manor.
And at least they would know how to shoot to a walker if they are half of Lilly. (Remember where Kenny were when those many walkers attacked to the Motor Inn ...)

I don't know if you watched one of very first Walking Dead promo videos as there can be seen, Christa is shooting herself in the head in the woods. Maybe it is because she is bitten, or Omid is long gone. Mark my words, she is dead already :)

I don't think this "who comes or not" issue effects the whole episode. I mean eighter you choose them to come or not, they will supposedly rejoin with you at some exact point of the final chapter of this story.

Well, again about Kenny... Regardless, he is an useless dumbass. He would shoot me and then himself on Finale as it begins! That would be best for him :)))
Lilly has no reasonable purpose or logical reason. You saved her life and forgave her after she murdered a good member and friend of the group. You arent going to kill her or anything. And she suddenly steals the RV and drives away, leaving the entire group to die on the road.

Can you really blame Kenny for drinking? He had lost his family, the only thing he cared about a couple of days ago and had realised that there was no way of finding a boat and safety, that they were trapped there. He was in a empty and SAFE house and probably assumed Clem wasnt so stupid as to wander off outside. And i dont know what you're saying with that other sentence.

Sorry but the promo video was actually Katjaa shooting herself, they just put in Christa's sprite so they wouldnt spoil the story in the trailer.

And i think the who comes or not will be important. I bet those who come with you survive and those who dont are eaten by the horde which has now reached Savannah or killed by walkie talkie guy.

And Kenny is an all round awesome guy!

[Kiel555]

To all you darned Lilly fans, you can lose everyone's loyalty. Do the wrong things and Christa and Omid will leave you on your own as will Ben. And at least its possible to get Kenny on your side, so matter how kind and thoughtful and helpful you are to Lilly and no matter how you treat her dad, she still absolutely screws you over and leaves you to die, stealing you're only mode of transport and leaving you with the people you obviously hate so much (as well as a person recently bit) So much for her friendship

The howl from players who thought Kenny was their friend at the end of e4 said it all. So many posts of betrayal and disappointment when Kenny refused to help rescue Clem. I was not surprised. Fortunately, there is a way to "fix" your broken game by going back and selecting a dialogue option that you otherwise would not have selected. Whew...the things you have to do to keep Kenny on your side...talk about high maintenance! Yep...he's a true friend :rolleyes:.

[dukeleto]

Lilly has no reasonable purpose or logical reason. You saved her life and forgave her after she murdered a good member and friend of the group. You arent going to kill her or anything. And she suddenly steals the RV and drives away, leaving the entire group to die on the road.

Can you really blame Kenny for drinking? He had lost his family, the only thing he cared about a couple of days ago and had realised that there was no way of finding a boat and safety, that they were trapped there. He was in a empty and SAFE house and probably assumed Clem wasnt so stupid as to wander off outside. And i dont know what you're saying with that other sentence.

Sorry but the promo video was actually Katjaa shooting herself, they just put in Christa's sprite so they wouldnt spoil the story in the trailer.

And i think the who comes or not will be important. I bet those who come with you survive and those who dont are eaten by the horde which has now reached Savannah or killed by walkie talkie guy.

And Kenny is an all round awesome guy!

I know Lilly IS a murderer and I don't try to reason her behaviour but,
1)She was "so sure" that someone was helping the bandits: and it was True.
2)She was just too depressed and angry with that traitor issue, as it caused a little boy to get bitten, and the lost of the motor inn: and it was True.
3)She ran away, but "I think" she was too ashamed for what she did to continue with the group and maybe she thought it won't be good to be with them neighter for them nor herself: and I think it was True.
4)No matter what, she were always strong and she were in a good harmony with others until she lost her father: and it is True.
5) So, I think she is not a cruel person but she has a very dramatic doom: and it is True for me.

Can I really blame Kenny for drinking?
Yes I can. If he has completely lost his hope for survival; what is he doing along them? I can understand his bad feelings after he saw that boy in the attic and I can understand he is drinking because of his grief, but what about Clem? How can he turn his eyes away from her?
If I went somewhere with someone else, and tragically if we got seperated with them when their little girl remained with my side; I'd look after her to the death. Lee might be away, Lee might get lost or he might disappear by a sever hole, and what should Kenny do after him? His first thing to do after they came back to their shelter was drinking! Sorry, but I can't forgive this.
He caused Clem to get lost, but even so he continued reprove Lee severely about the boat, about how they will die etc etc...
It was so selfish. Everyone else were in the same situation there and even Christa didn't act like him.
"and probably assumed Clem wasnt so stupid as to wander off outside..." you are saying.
Man, you shouldn't suppose,guess -or whatever- a child that he/she might do or not. You should keep your eyes on them. As always Lee were trying to do. A child is a child, nothing more.

"And i dont know what you're saying with that other sentence. "-
I meant that Omid&Christa is much more valuable than Kenny as a sharpshooter if they have half balls Lilly had :) Remember what Kenny were doing in the RV (?) when that ambush occured in the motor inn:)

I really respect your feelings about Kenny my friend, but come here, sit and try to be more reasonable with it. Admit it at least... He is the ultimate loser :)

P.S: And Kenny is right, he really messed up everything :)

[YamiRaziel]

My biggest problem with Kenny lies in ep.2. Killing Larry in that way was the beginning of the end. Even back then, when ep.3 wasn't released yet I knew that Kenny had doomed us. We weren't gonna survive that. You can't just kill one of your own and not expect consequences like the ones in ep.3. Even back in ep. 2 I knew that I would have to look for a new group, cause Lilly was my biggest friend and I knew that she would have to leave for Woodbury sooner or later. However, I didn't know that Kenny would come with me, despite me being the rudest person to him. He started plaguing my new group as well, even Molly decided not to come with us after she saw how he behaved.
I don't want that man anywhere near me. He's like poison - slowly destroying everything he touches.
If I had the chance I would take Lilly and Clem and leave the group right after ep. 2 or better. I would force Kenny to leave before the whole drama of ep. 3

[dukeleto]

My biggest problem with Kenny lies in ep.2. Killing Larry in that way was the beginning of the end. Even back then, when ep.3 wasn't released yet I knew that Kenny had doomed us. We weren't gonna survive that. You can't just kill one of your own and not expect consequences like the ones in ep.3. Even back in ep. 2 I knew that I would have to look for a new group, cause Lilly was my biggest friend and I knew that she would have to leave for Woodbury sooner or later. However, I didn't know that Kenny would come with me, despite me being the rudest person to him. He started plaguing my new group as well, even Molly decided not to come with us after she saw how he behaved.
I don't want that man anywhere near me. He's like poison - slowly destroying everything he touches.
If I had the chance I would take Lilly and Clem and leave the group right after ep. 2 or better. I would force Kenny to leave before the whole drama of ep. 3

You interpretered my feelings! It means trouble everytime he opens his mouth.
The thing is, the name of the thread and the amount of the replies create a good quote:
F... Kenny :) (or his moustache:P)

[Rock114]

You traitor, i thought you were a fellow Kenny lover :P

Seriously though how is Kenny stupid for saying what happened in Macon? He is trying to tell Lilly what Macon is really like and how dangerous going in there really is. She's not the one taking the risk, she needs to know. And although i didnt actually kill Ben, im not suprised he said he was proud of you for doing so. The guy had recently killed his family and he probably felt some sick satisfaction in him being gone as im sure many other players had for his role in Carely's death. And we didnt even know her that well!

To all you darned Lilly fans, you can lose everyone's loyalty. Do the wrong things and Christa and Omid will leave you on your own as will Ben. And at least its possible to get Kenny on your side, so matter how kind and thoughtful and helpful you are to Lilly and no matter how you treat her dad, she still absolutely screws you over and leaves you to die, stealing you're only mode of transport and leaving you with the people you obviously hate so much (as well as a person recently bit) So much for her friendship

Dude, I AM a Kenny lover! I'd take him over Lilly any day, but he has faults. Faults which make him human. I'd personally prefer him to NOT mention the stuff that happens when it's just me and him on a supply run or something like that. He doesn't think before he speaks, but that makes him seem more real. I don't hold it against him. Him telling Lilly how dangerous it was seemed necessary, because from that I gleaned that Lee and Kenny take all the risk for the supplies that Lilly didn't even bother to tell us were going missing. And I totally understand why Kenny would be proud of me for bringing his family's killer to justice, because I know that's how he saw it. I just felt like a total piece of shit for dropping him, to the point I hoped everyone would forget about Ben like they did Chuck, so I just didn't want to be reminded of it.

And agreed about Lilly. She'll abandon you no matter how nice you are to her, after murdering another member of the group for no reason. If you're loyal to Lilly, she'll up and abandon your ass. If you're loyal to Kenny, he'll die for you without hesitation. Because to him, you're his family. The only family he has left. The reason you have to side with Kenny more is because he's been with you from the beginning, whereas there are absolutely NO major choices involving Ben until the bell tower, and Christa and Omid have only just joined up with your group. The only big choice with them is the train situation with the herd. I'd say a good half of the major choices so far affect your relationship with Kenny.

[dukeleto]

If you're loyal to Lilly, she'll up and abandon your ass. If you're loyal to Kenny, he'll die for you without hesitation. Because to him, you're his family. The only family he has left.

Hehe, it is weird how everyone reads different things from characters. Maybe this is because we are all playing same scenarios with different dialog choices.
The Kenny I met is NOTHING closer to your description.
I myself can not describe him with the words family-Lee-Clem or something like "buddy". For me, it is not going near of a "friendship" with my Lee and that Kenny have between them. And I don't think he sees Lee as a family member.
I can simply prefer a confused Lilly to a shifty Kenny. :)

P.S: Man, what kind of a man can still walk around of a person after he has killed his/her father deliberately without no hesitation? Here we talk about company, not walking around though. They could wait and take care of the situation if Larry ever tries to turn. If Larry was about to turn, I'm sure Lilly should have been more reasonable and more brave with the result. But unfortunately Kenny has no brain!
And that brick is all he understands from the title "family" :)

[YamiRaziel]

Lilly didn't even bother to tell us were going missing

She did tell Lee. Plus you kinda both killed her father, Rock114. Your Lee and Kenny, so you don't have the right to complain about that :p

[TheNNerdGamer]

Hehe, it is weird how everyone reads different things from characters. Maybe this is because we are all playing same scenarios with different dialog choices.
The Kenny I met is NOTHING closer to your description.
I myself can not describe him with the words family-Lee-Clem or something like "buddy". For me, it is not going near of a "friendship" with my Lee and that Kenny have between them. And I don't think he sees Lee as a family member.
I can simply prefer a confused Lilly to a shifty Kenny. :)

P.S: Man, what kind of a man can still walk around of a person after he has killed his/her father deliberately without no hesitation? Here we talk about company, not walking around though. They could wait and take care of the situation if Larry ever tries to turn. If Larry was about to turn, I'm sure Lilly should have been more reasonable and more brave with the result. But unfortunately Kenny has no brain!
And that brick is all he understands from the title "family" :)

here's the thing here:
some people just want to protect the women to POSSIBLY be "boyfriend girlfriend" sort of relationship.
some just do because they're like: "ohhh females before males".
some just do it for the sake of it.
many women just do it because she seems nice
______________________________

now with Kenny:
they side with him because he seems like a good guy.
others for no apparent reason.
and others for the sake of it or the outcomes.
________________________________________

whatever it is It's because people have different views. :P

[Rock114]

Touche Yami.

But in my game I couldn't trust Lilly after she blew someone's head off right in front of Clem based on a hunch. At least Kenny had a reason for smashing Larry, he could very well have turned and killed them all. He "might" have jumped the gun, but Lilly did without question. It's her way or the highway, and I don't like her way of killing anyone she simply doesn't like. Kenny may leave you for dead but he's never pulled out a gun and blown out your brains just because he doesn't like you.

[dukeleto]

here's the thing here:
some people just want to protect the women to POSSIBLY be "boyfriend girlfriend" sort of relationship.
some just do because they're like: "ohhh females before males".
some just do it for the sake of it.
many women just do it because she seems nice
______________________________

now with Kenny:
they side with him because he seems like a good guy.
others for no apparent reason.
and others for the sake of it or the outcomes.
________________________________________

whatever it is It's because people have different views. :P


Haha, I don't really want to offend anyone but I watched a friend of mine while he was playing his own scenario; he still stood with the girls and he is gay.
How do you explain that? :P

@Rock114- Man, I'm respectful to your angle but from my angle Lilly didn't killed Carley just because she doesn't like her.
Many complicated feelings were there. She was stressed, confused and mad.(I'm sure she is a bit mental ill, too) There was a situation that she was trying to explain to all others and Carley popped out and seemed like she was the leader of the opposide idea. And when Lilly recognized Lee was listening to her, and after Carley's unfortunate insults, it became to a desperate moment for Lilly. But she was damn guilty, I admit!
You are right with your angle at certain points. But there is something in the world entitle : Respect. Respect to other people's feelings&sufferings.
On Walking Dead mini series-on tv, or comics, this kind of situations occured. But have you ever seen a Rick who grabs a rock and throws on Amy's brain in front of her sister Andrea?
Probably not.

[TheNNerdGamer]

Haha, I don't really want to offend anyone but I watched a friend of mine while he was playing his own scenario; he still stood with the girls and he is gay.
How do you explain that? :P

I'm not a Psychologist but...

he might just be was it for different out comes.
or he's changing from being gay (very doubt it though).
he wants to see romance.
that's pretty much I've got really :P

[YamiRaziel]

Touche Yami.

But in my game I couldn't trust Lilly after she blew someone's head off right in front of Clem based on a hunch. At least Kenny had a reason for smashing Larry, he could very well have turned and killed them all. He "might" have jumped the gun, but Lilly did without question. It's her way or the highway, and I don't like her way of killing anyone she simply doesn't like. Kenny may leave you for dead but he's never pulled out a gun and blown out your brains just because he doesn't like you.

I think it is a bit more complicated than that. When Kenny killed Larry, he popped the bubble. We stopped perceiving ourselves as a functioning group and for Lilly this feeling was heightened tenfold. Why? Because she was the victim. It was her father that got killed because one (or two) man decided to play Gods and took the law into their own hands. In order to counter this tendency she became obsessed with control. It was her way of being sure you won't kill her or somebody else just because you like to.
In my playthrough there was a lot of trust between Lilly and Lee. In her eyes, our group was Lilly and Clem. Ben was new and unreliable, Katja and Duck was with Kenny (the enemy) and Carley... well she was a sort of an enemy too, with her constantly trying to take no sides and be (the good one). Lilly knew she was already perceived as the bad one, because of all the tough choices she had to make (rationing the food, being in charge, taking responsibility).
So when we found there was a traitor and the bandits attack, apparently she had her reasons to doubt Carley (things that happened off-screen). Lilly was convinced that Carley was the traitor. It makes perfect sense.
Carley once again tried to play the good girl card and this time accused Lilly of being the bad one. Carley made herself the enemy in Lilly's eyes.
There was a traitor and Carley identified herself as the one, not knowing/accepting Lee's discovery. There wasn't anybody else. Ben was always dumb and scared when he talked to Lilly (she has no reason to even consider that he would have the balls to deal with bandits). It couldn't be Kenny too. Even though she hated the guy, she knew he cares about his family and Lilly speaks Family. She knows it can't be him and she knows it can't be Lee (for being a friend, or simply having Clem in his life).
So it had to be Carley and it still makes perfect sense. Nobody knew anything about her past, she had no ties to any of them and she was female. She was not only trying to make Lilly look bad by not taking sides or doing tough choices ever. She was also trying to charm her way into Lee's heart, which could also indicate she could've been a sly traitor.
Of course, Lilly was wrong, but if you're not an omniscient spectator as we are, it is perfectly plausable.
So what happens then? The man once again take law into their hands and ONCE again disregard her opinion. Now that's the moment where her female insecurity kicks in. She was already overpowered by those man once, resulting in her fathers death. She's still traumatized by that accident that occured only a week ago, but now the other pretty girl is trying to take her position as alpha female by making her look bad.
Well, that results in a bullet in Carley's face.
You can see that she regrets it the second she does it. She's afraid of what she's done.
How can you not take back in the RV such a broken poor creature? :D

Kenny didn't go throw any of this in ep. 2. Heck, even his family was not in the immediate threat of Larry turning. He could've waited a few more seconds, but he chooses his own family over other people's. He doesn't even regret the choice. In ep. 3 he even dares to talk back. All the bad things that happened in ep. 3 are consequences of Kenny's dumb actions in the meat locker and after that.

P.S I just realized why I hate so much the sequence where if you chose to side with Kenny, Lee holds Lilly's hands behind her back while Kenny kills Larry.
It has always reminded me of a rape scene. A breach of one's personality.
Lee overpowers her, because he's bigger and stronger, leaving her powerless, while Kenny does something horrible.
I think the damage Kenny dealt to Lilly was equal to rape. He could've done it and ep.3 wouldn't have been much different as to Lilly's reactions and behavior.

[dukeleto]

All the bad things that happened in ep. 3 are consequences of Kenny's dumb actions in the meat locker and after that.

And that's the point.
Mark his words. ;)

I'm sure everyone will see the real Kenny in the last episode, as they pospone.

[Rock114]

The reason he doesn't seem to regret killing Larry is because he though the man was already dead. If Kenny actually thought the guy could be saved there wouldn't have been blocks of salt flying. And his family WAS in immediate danger. They were held hostage by cannibals who were going to kill everyone in the meat locker, and keep the others alive to slowly cut up and trade as meat. David/Travis actually turned fairly quickly, and by the time Lee acts (or stands there because he's indecisive) She's already been performing CPR for a good long while. He could have turned by then and killed her. And Kenny. And Lee and Clem. Kenny saw it as Lilly putting her father, probably already dead, over his own family and the entire group. And if Lee helps, he sees him as doing the same.

Then only reason I ever saw for her to doubt Carley was because Carley didn't like her. She gives Carley the death glare when she calls Kenny "Boss" in episode 1 because Lilly knows it means she can't be in charge. Lilly was always about control, and when people didn't fall in line they became the enemy. If she'd had her way, Lee and Clem would have died in front of the drug store in Episode 1. I never once heard ANYONE say "Please lead us Lilly". She put herself in charge, which she made perfectly clear in the drug store, and then wonders why people don't like her.

Why, exactly, does not picking sides make Carley a wannabe good girl? She chose not to get involved with the Lilly/Kenny power struggle which was actually a good idea! If people begin picking sides the group splits and people get hurt/killed. I tryed to be neutral Lee and never picked sides until the meat locker forced me to because I knew that mediation was the only way to keep the group together. Carley picking a side, ANY side, would have made the situation even worse. I wish everyone else had followed her example and made both Lilly and Kenny see sense. Lilly didn't care she shot Carley, she tried to justify it after it happened. That was cold, calculated murder on her part because Carley talked back and didn't fall in line. Lilly WAS the bad guy because she insisted on playing God right after the group barely escaped the motel alive. I considered us a functioning (if barely) group right up until Lilly blew Carley's head off. Maybe if I'd saved Doug I'd have let her back on, because she didn't intend to kill him at least.

The straw that broke the camel's back was actually Ben ya know. Lilly and Kenny's arguments caused tension in the group, and Larry's death only made matters worse, but the group was still functioning a week later. In the immediate aftermath of the bandit raid brought on by Ben's secrecy, one person left/got left behind, and three more died. I think Lilly probably would have shot someone anyway if she hadn't been messed up, because stealing from the group is undermining her authority, and that's something she just can't stand. Without Larry to enforce her laws, everything fell apart for her.

[dukeleto]

@Rock114 _ Man, as I said before you are talking in sense.
All these are predictions like ours' are.

I like Lilly cause I don't believe her behavior is because of her personality. Or I don't believe she made that one big terrible mistake for a reason different than a sudden nervous breakdown. Her reactions always seemed so desperate to me, maybe I pity her, I don't know. I think she is a common victim, not the evil itself.

The thing is; I don't guess this game express the characters' personalities to us by our choices. For example I sided with Kenny at first when we entered the drugstore. So, Larry got his heart bad... But even in this situation Lilly didn't treat me like I'm a cruel man. She was all reasonable with the situation which was very unfortunate for her father that he was wrong because Duck was not bitten. And she treated like a grown up; so logical, so honest.
The thing I'm trying to say is, she is not as that despotic as you mentioned. If you can be kind to her just a little, you'd see she is very cooperative.

I know that we can't come in an agreement with protagonists that we love;
But please answer me one last question:

How many times did Kenny and Lilly brought the things on an edge of a knife? I don't mean messing things in terrible ways. But I'm talking just about negative moments those two brought us face to face? Look for the bad situations. Please be honest to yourself.

All the Best, I really am tired of this Kenny&Lilly mess... But yes, Kenny is a dumbass! :)

[Kiel555]

The group was shattered because of what happened in the meat locker. Kenny alone is to blame for everthing bad that followed. I did all I could to help Lilly afterwards but even I could see that her father being murdered by Kenny caused severe trauma to her mental well being. What kenny did cannot be overlooked or explained away. Simply put, you cannot murder someone elses family member in front of them and expect to maintain group harmony. That's what Lilly believed Kenny did to her and as YamiRaziel detailed in his post the consequences are upon us.

Kenny went against me in the meat locker and caused the loss of my friends by his foolish actions. What upset me the most was when he wanted to be thanked for brutalizing Lilly in that meat locker. I was more that happy to tell Kenny to go fuck himself at the end of e4.

[dukeleto]

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry
kill larry
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts
leave lilly on the road
calm kenny on the train
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat
side with him when he wants to kill ben
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap ;)

[YamiRaziel]

Rock114, I cannot really agree with your post.
In the meat locker scene, everybody was in danger. However, Katjaa and Duck were not in the immediate danger of Larry turning. They needed Katja, and if they want her to cooperate, they needed Duck alive. We can even say the were the safest of all.

You say that Lilly cannot stand people disobeying her. I have a hard time believing that. Lilly not wanting Carley to risk their lives and save some dumb strangers that yell like idiots is actually super smart. In the world of TWD you never, ever rush to strangers like that. They can be bandits, they can be anything. Carley disobeys and saves our group. Lilly yells for a while, but doesn't do anything.
Now, what does Kenny do when you disobey his orders? My Lee decided to help Larry, but he didn't let us. He was the first to take law into his hands. He was the first executioner. He was the first to disrespect our choices.
You cannot expect that such actions won't effect us. It traumatized Lilly and it affected my Lee. I started hating the guy and Lilly slowly became unstable.

As for Carley, why is not taking sides a bad thing? It's simple, really, somebody has to make decisions. When to people argue as to what's best for the group, you got to speak your mind. You can't avoid making decisions just because they are hard or because they will make you look bad.
Lilly does them, Kenny does them, even Lee does them. Carley just stays in the middle, because it suits her to be the good girl. She doesn't have to ration food right? It won't be Larry, Mark or Kenny who are gonna hate her for not feeding them. They are gonna hate Lilly. It's very convenient to never make your hands dirty.
Why hasn't Carley ever been in a conflict? Because she never speaks her mind. She tells Lee afterwards, but she never really shows her position.

Lilly was never the bad guy. She was one of the people who did the most for this group, who were ready to make what others were afraid of. She was a great leader, until Kenny ruined her life.

[Wrighty]

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn -Done
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass- Threatened Larry myself
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry- I gave food to Lilly
kill larry- Done
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".- Done
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".- I sat on the fence in this one
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts- Done
leave lilly on the road- Done (Duh!)
calm kenny on the train- Done
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat- Done
side with him when he wants to kill ben- Not done
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!- NOT DONE

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap ;)

I didnt do exactly what you said i have to do and even saved Ben and i got the bro speech. Alot of those choices are simply doing the smart (leaving Lilly) or good (dont let Larry kill Duck) thing.

You bet im proud with him, I was nearly crying when he gave the bro speech.

Also Kiel and Yami, good harmony comes second to group survival. Lilly killing one person and then stealing the RV if you are stupid enough to side with her, is a much better result than everyone in the meat locker getting eaten and Carely/Ben getting ambushed AND Duck and Kat still in hands of cannibals.

[dukeleto]

I didnt do exactly what you said i have to do and even saved Ben and i got the bro speech. Alot of those choices are simply doing the smart (leaving Lilly) or good (dont let Larry kill Duck) thing.

You bet im proud with him, I was nearly crying when he gave the bro speech.

Also Kiel and Yami, good harmony comes second to group survival. Lilly killing one person and then stealing the RV if you are stupid enough to side with her, is a much better result than everyone in the meat locker getting eaten and Carely/Ben getting ambushed AND Duck and Kat still in hands of cannibals.

You are talking like there may be NO way to get out of that meatlocker except busting Larry's head ?

I don't know man, even if I know this will cost everybody's life, I don't think that I may understand such selfishness and such despotic approach.
I think Kenny killed Larry because he afraid of being eaten. I can't believe that he did that for his family. He is such a jerk to get out of that RV and to help his own son and wife. :)

And I'm saying this again and again; please don't name these two together in same sentence: Kenny and Lilly.
They both killed someone with no matter what reason for,
+++BUT PLUS+++,
Kenny made many many many MANY and many stupid things including his false babbling ( I even don't mention of him leaving Lee SUDDENLY right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies ), he even couldn't capable of protecting his own family. And his desire for killing a teenager, Ben ? God knows, I myself wish him dead for how many times because of his stupidity but when it comes to real life? Man, it is just a poor boy.

His desire for killing a teenager- Ben ? What was that, huh?
Mentioning to kill a teenager? ? ?
He does not only want him driven away but he wants him dead?
Don't you see? Are you guys drinking while playing or am I too partial of Kenny?
I don't know.

Etc etc... This list lasts forever...

I don't know man, I may be the most angry player who find Kenny irritating all around the world.
In NO TIME LEFT, his true self will be revealed I think.
And I'm sure you'll remember that bro speech of him :)

[Wrighty]

You are talking like there may be NO way to get out of that meatlocker except busting Larry's head ?

I don't know man, even if I know this will cost everybody's life, I don't think that I may understand such selfishness and such despotic approach.
I think Kenny killed Larry because he afraid of being eaten. I can't believe that he did that for his family. He is such a jerk to get out of that RV and to help his own son and wife. :)

And I'm saying this again and again; please don't name these two together in same sentence: Kenny and Lilly.
They both killed someone with no matter what reason for,
+++BUT PLUS+++,
Kenny made many many many MANY and many stupid things including his false babbling ( I even don't mention of him leaving Lee SUDDENLY right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies ), he even couldn't capable of protecting his own family. And his desire for killing a teenager, Ben ? God knows, I myself wish him dead for how many times because of his stupidity but when it comes to real life? Man, it is just a poor boy.

His desire for killing a teenager- Ben ? What was that, huh?
Mentioning to kill a teenager? ? ?
He does not only want him driven away but he wants him dead?
Don't you see? Are you guys drinking while playing or am I too partial of Kenny?
I don't know.

Etc etc... This list lasts forever...

I don't know man, I may be the most angry player who find Kenny irritating all around the world.
In NO TIME LEFT, his true self will be revealed I think.
And I'm sure you'll remember that bro speech of him :)

If Larry turns while in the meatlocker, he will eat them all and no one escapes. Its as simple as that

How is it selfish? He obviously cares more about his family than himself, he rushed a guy with a gun to save his son.

False babbling? Give me an example. And shit happens, you cant blame him for not being able to protect Kat and Duck 100% of the time. He was a little busy getting the RV started so people could actually escape. Besides its not like we did such a good job with Clem, did we? :P

And of course he wants Ben dead, the guy is responsible for his entire family getting killed. And it happened two days ago, if i was in Kenny's position i would want the kid dead.

[dukeleto]

If Larry turns while in the meatlocker, he will eat them all and no one escapes. Its as simple as that

How is it selfish? He obviously cares more about his family than himself, he rushed a guy with a gun to save his son.

False babbling? Give me an example. And shit happens, you cant blame him for not being able to protect Kat and Duck 100% of the time. He was a little busy getting the RV started so people could actually escape. Besides its not like we did such a good job with Clem, did we? :P

And of course he wants Ben dead, the guy is responsible for his entire family getting killed. And it happened two days ago, if i was in Kenny's position i would want the kid dead.

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless :) ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

[thestalkinghead]

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless :) ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

kenny did try to do something (leave in the RV) but lilly would scream until he stopped going on about it, what boat issue are you talking about? the only plan anybody had to survive more than a few weeks? and kenny was drinking because he lost the family he loved less than 2 days ago

that guy in the video was obviously anti kenny and the part he was playing Lee didn't die or get hurt, he was fine and if you help kenny he will help you, that is fair enough considering we aren't playing a game/character where we are the hero of the galaxy we are a normal guy that is either friends or just acquaintances with kenny

[Kiel555]

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless :) ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

Love the reaction! That bastard Kenny....I knew he was going to leave Lee to die, again, but it was still shocking!

[Ninnuendo]

kenny did try to do something (leave in the RV) but lilly would scream until he stopped going on about it

I must have missed the bit where he stopped bitching and tried to leave. In my game he was a complete coward who refused to leave unless everyone else went with him.

[dukeleto]

I guess, these opposite opinions are because we are all playing different games. All these different ideas are because of this.
Maybe, this game is creating heroes and heroines according to our choices? Which means "Kiel555", "YamiRaziel" and "I" have similar game choices hence "thestalkinghead", "Wrighty" and "Rock114" are on their own same scenario. Telltale Games is so clever ; they created a very charming story with many scandals among players' playthroughs.

I'm saying this because I'm reading many things about Kenny who is not even close to "my" Kenny, and Lilly who is completely someone else than "my" Lilly.
Tricky game it is :)

[deadk1ng]

Super awesome game though....and after many playthroughs i still say " f*** kenny"

[dukeleto]

Super awesome game though....and after many playthroughs i still say " f*** kenny"

You must be proud to have the thread where the maximum replies are.
But no surprise with that enormous title. Lets say it again;
" f*** kenny" !

[TheNNerdGamer]

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry
kill larry
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts
leave lilly on the road
calm kenny on the train
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat
side with him when he wants to kill ben
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap ;)

choices by: TheNNerdGamer
lol

[HiggsBoson2142]

I saved Shawn. I seriously felt like the guy needed much more help than Duck. He was stuck under a tractor for God's sake, and I knew Kenny would rescue Duck, so my gut feeling was Shawn, and I still regret not helping the both of them to this day. As for when we first met Larry, I went badass mode on him. "Because it's me, before anybody else!" And I can blame Kenny for what happened at Hershel's, but I won't. The guy was scared. I probably would've done the same thing in this new world.

Then there was Episode 2, where things didn't go so well. When the feeding came up, I started off with my usual Clementine, then I went over to Larry, to get on his good side. I had two left. And I went over to.......Ben. I'm sorry! He just looked so helpless! Anyway, I offered the last piece to Kenny (Doug wouldn't take it). And he told me to feed Duck, so I did. Then he got mad, but realized I was feeding the kids, so, meh. As the Episode progressed, he left me for dead after the meat locker scene. I helped Lilly, which I actually regret doing...

When Episode 3 starts, I can automatically tell he doesn't like me. So when he asks me about staying or leaving, I panic and say we should go. But when we get back to the motel, I tell him the place is fine. Another horrible decision. When the time comes, I finish off Duck for him, and had to end up fighting him on the train.

Then Episode 4 comes in, and I notice that he treats everyone the same throughout the episode. Depressed and wrecked. But then Lee gets bit, and I turn to Kenny, getting the neutral speech, and I tell him I need him, when he says I've only been looking out for myself. I still feel sorry for the guy, and still care for him.

Basically for me, I wanted to help him, but everything that I thought was right was turning him against me. Eventually to the point where he decides I don't care what he thinks. That's why I have my Pro-Kenny second playthrough, but it just doesn't feel right...

[KCohere]

Did the writers really intend to make Kenny this unlikable? I guess its realistic. Sometimes people you think you can trust betray you and they are not who they seem. He's the Shane of the Walking Dead game for me.

[Wrighty]

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless :) ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

Larry's heart had stopped. Not to mention, last time he had a heart attack we had to get him medicine and im pretty sure CPR doesnt magically repair the heart anyway. You just dont know if he was dead. Also "respect to the family issues" shouldnt risk everyone getting devoured. Larry possibly turning into a zombie and killing everyone is not a simple "family issue". And Larry isnt fat, he is buff and huge. Not to mention no one in the meatlocker had any weapons.

The RV engine wasnt starting, the thing was old and needed repair. Not to mention, Kenny hadnt finished those repairs when the bandits attacked.

And why didnt Ben admit his crime? If Ben hadnt been stupid and actually told the group, Kenny's family would still be alive. I agree that Ben doesnt deserve to die, but i would feel different if the guy was responsible for my family getting wiped out a few days ago. How would you feel if Ben's stupidity got Clem and Carely killed? (if they were your family).

And what was the boat issue? Part where he was drinking?

[YamiRaziel]

You can keep your "Larry was dead" speech, but I won't make it true. Not two months ago, not now, not ever. Larry wasn't dead yet, he might have died, but he could've survived also.
The way Kenny approached the situation was beyond horrible, not to mention it wasn't his place to approach it at all.
You tell us to imagine stuff, now you imagine that Clem is in danger and she needs your and Kenny's help, and he just refuses to help you.
Oh, wait, you don't have to imagine it! It happens in episode 4. Congratulations!
Kenny needed my Lee many times, and I helped him in most of them. Lilly needed me only this once, I helped her and he not only backstabbed us both, but he also had the insolence so blame me for it? Fuck Kenny!

In my playthrough I gave him the chance to leave with his family in the RV. His asnwer was "yeah so Lilly and Carley will stay with you, and who do I got? Ben?".
He wants to control people more than he cares about his family. Deny it as much as you want, but he actually enjoys giving orders.
For God's sake he wanted us to pack into that broken RV when he hadn't even repaired it. It was just that he had to complain, whine and do it his way.

The motel was a great place to be. Macon was close for supplies and had Ben told us about his deal with the bandits, we could've been prepared and taken them out.
There are bandits and evil people everywhere - Crowford, Woodbury, Atlanta... the St. John's farm... There are worse places to be than that Motor Inn. At least there we know the surrounding area and we know who we are dealing with.

[TheNNerdGamer]

You can keep your "Larry was dead" speech, but I won't make it true. Not two months ago, not now, not ever. Larry wasn't dead yet, he might have died, but he could've survived also.


correction:

No one knows if he was alive or dead

[dukeleto]

correction:

No one knows if he was alive or dead

I think Yami meant with his comment that:

No one in that meatlocker has sounded this quote before Kenny went with that salt thing:

"Oh gosh.. OK, he is dead..."

I think this is fair enough here to guess if he was NO DOUBT dead or not.

[Wrighty]

You can keep your "Larry was dead" speech, but I won't make it true. Not two months ago, not now, not ever. Larry wasn't dead yet, he might have died, but he could've survived also.
The way Kenny approached the situation was beyond horrible, not to mention it wasn't his place to approach it at all.
You tell us to imagine stuff, now you imagine that Clem is in danger and she needs your and Kenny's help, and he just refuses to help you.
Oh, wait, you don't have to imagine it! It happens in episode 4. Congratulations!
Kenny needed my Lee many times, and I helped him in most of them. Lilly needed me only this once, I helped her and he not only backstabbed us both, but he also had the insolence so blame me for it? Fuck Kenny!

In my playthrough I gave him the chance to leave with his family in the RV. His asnwer was "yeah so Lilly and Carley will stay with you, and who do I got? Ben?".
He wants to control people more than he cares about his family. Deny it as much as you want, but he actually enjoys giving orders.
For God's sake he wanted us to pack into that broken RV when he hadn't even repaired it. It was just that he had to complain, whine and do it his way.

The motel was a great place to be. Macon was close for supplies and had Ben told us about his deal with the bandits, we could've been prepared and taken them out.
There are bandits and evil people everywhere - Crowford, Woodbury, Atlanta... the St. John's farm... There are worse places to be than that Motor Inn. At least there we know the surrounding area and we know who we are dealing with.

I agree with you, Larry might have been alive. But is it really worth the risk? After what happened after his last heart attack and the stress he is under now, is it really worth gambling everyone's lives on him being alive? And sure Kenny killed(?) him in a gruesome and traumatising way but theres no other way to do it and they didnt have much time to decide anyway. They obviously reaminate quickly. Anyway it had to be Kenny's place to decide, it involves and affects everyone in the meatlocker. Its not like Lilly could do what needs to be done and you're Lee wasnt going to do the right thing.

And Kenny refused to help YOUR Lee because you obviously dont have the guts to do the smart thing, so you will probably get yourself and him killed, and because you gambled with his and his families lives on low odds. Also Lilly needed you're help once, and she then stole the RV and left ya to die. Nice one.

Kenny doesnt enjoy giving orders, he's just trying to make sure his family survive. I dont blame him for not wanting to be by himself and his family with only Ben for help. He doesnt want to control you but he does know they have a better chance with you and so he tries to convince you. And he obviously wasnt finished repairing it when the bandits attacked. If he actually had time it probably would have been in better shape.

And the Motel was a rubbish place to be. Loads of bandits camped right outside you're home. Macon was probably looted dry since they have been in the Motel for so long, the pharmacy was empty. And even if Ben had told you about their plan, you cant really get ready and just deal with that many bandits and then the walkers which were attracted by the gunfire. Its not even certain that they would have had enough ammo to deal with them. Also did you see how quickly their defenses fell to the bandits and how they swarmed in? Other places might not have huge groups of bandits outside you're base, furious at you for destroying their food supply. Other places might have friendly survivors or at least a safer place to settle down. Nope, the Motel sucked.

[TheNNerdGamer]

I agree with you, Larry might have been alive. But is it really worth the risk? After what happened after his last heart attack and the stress he is under now, is it really worth gambling everyone's lives on him being alive? And sure Kenny killed(?) him in a gruesome and traumatising way but theres no other way to do it and they didnt have much time to decide anyway. They obviously reaminate quickly. Anyway it had to be Kenny's place to decide, it involves and affects everyone in the meatlocker. Its not like Lilly could do what needs to be done and you're Lee wasnt going to do the right thing.


I would like to add:
he still had consciousness on his first heart attack,I'm pretty sure he had a sharp chest pain.
now in the meatlocker; he probably had a heart failure, which made his heart stop.

he might had lived or not but who knows!

[dukeleto]

Wrighty, my friend, I really don't want to argue this but,

MY LEE was doing a heart massage which you just mentioned my Lee wasnt going to do the right thing, when Kenny did his job.

And come on man, you sound like there is no other possiblity to deal with Larry at his very first seconds of his turning. I mean, I don't suppose he will jump as fast as a tiger to his first victim as soon as his eyes opened again as "dead".

If they were SURE that he was already dead, yes I was with you. They could take care of him with every God damn way.

These discussion is pointless as I said somewhere else on forums, that we are all playing different type of games. The thing is all our Kennies Lillies or Carleys are way too different from each other. These are all because of I didn't see Kenny by your way because I never met that guy.

And believe me, in my playthrough he was just a selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk.

And about that babbling I was mentioning was those nagging of him about "how they messed up" or "how will they die" or "how he doesn't want everyone on the boat" or bla bla bla bla...
You might not see these as babbling but for me, his EVERY sentence is nonesense. Last two episodes to me were like wandering around without caring a single word of him. And I'm sure I'll not listen of him on the finale eighter. (Don't ever think I wish him side of me :) Unfortunately I couldn't get rid of him, when I said "I'm going for Clem cause she is like a family to me", he insisted joining me. And whatever I said I couldn't persuade him not to come with me.)

All the best and good luck on NO TIME LEFT with your Kenny.
Cheers.

[Wrighty]

"selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk."

"he insisted joining me"

You call him selfish and shifty and unfaithful and he insists on going on a suicide mission to help you save Clem? What a selfish bastard!

Also the cop that attacked Lee in ep 1 and the teacher that attacked Kat in ep 2 both jumped up as fast as tigers to start biting, so its safe to assume Larry will again.

Good luck in ep 5 to you aswell :D

[dukeleto]

"selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk."

"he insisted joining me"

You call him selfish and shifty and unfaithful and he insists on going on a suicide mission to help you save Clem? What a selfish bastard!

Also the cop that attacked Lee in ep 1 and the teacher that attacked Kat in ep 2 both jumped up as fast as tigers to start biting, so its safe to assume Larry will again.

Good luck in ep 5 to you aswell :D

The cop was there lying for some time. God knows how long Lee was passed out.
And about Kat, if you turn your back on a possible turner- especially open your neck necessarily- you deserve that instant attack.

Man, there are many ways to keep someone away from you if you are not sure he is dead(also about to turn) or not. If you are scared to approach him to check if he is dead,I'm sure there are other ways. If it is necessary I would have heap those salt blocks on him- especially on his limbs- than busting his head in front of his daughter, just a simple idea.

My friend, Kenny decided (?) to come with me but this is not because he has a gentle heart. He is still a selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk.
He decided to came because I NEVER TREAT HIM AS HE DESERVED. I was always there for him, I tried to protect him and his family and I always did the dirty work for him.
But what did he do in exchange for? ? ?

My Lee's only mistake was disagreeing his decisions. And this was enough for him to ruin my life, leaving me behind on many occasions, leaving me to death under fatal danger. What a BRO.

You can ask me, "So, why did you treat him so gentle?". Then I can simply answer, "I did, cause I'm not like a guy as Kenny is."

So, it was my succues to have him on board but not because of Kenny's personality (IF THERE IS A SUCCESS IN THIS SITUATION. :))

Take good care of Clem next week and if you ask me don't trust him while doing it.
Mark my word.

[HiggsBoson2142]

SPOILERS FOR TV SERIES SEASON 1-2: I mean, some say that the dead don't reanimate very quickly, like Amy from the TV Series. But remember Shane??? I agree with killing Larry.

[george1120]

if you told Kenny to go fuck himself he will leave without you. Lol and I took Ben with me so that five seater boat will now only have three people. (Christa, Omid, and Kenny himself.)

[dukeleto]

if you told Kenny to go fuck himself he will leave without you. Lol and I took Ben with me so that five seater boat will now only have three people. (Christa, Omid, and Kenny himself.)

Yeah, I know it now, but back then when I was first playing I've choosen being polite (as everytime as with Kenny) while refusing him.
Guy is a a selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk,
+++ PLUS +++
He doesn't see the big picture when he is not wanted

Man, guess what; I have whole group including Ben.
And I was desperately desiring going alone!!!
They just didn't let me be.

Ben + Kenny...
I'm doomed, man. I'm really fucked up!

:D

[Wrighty]

The cop was there lying for some time. God knows how long Lee was passed out.
And about Kat, if you turn your back on a possible turner- especially open your neck necessarily- you deserve that instant attack.

Man, there are many ways to keep someone away from you if you are not sure he is dead(also about to turn) or not. If you are scared to approach him to check if he is dead,I'm sure there are other ways. If it is necessary I would have heap those salt blocks on him- especially on his limbs- than busting his head in front of his daughter, just a simple idea.

My friend, Kenny decided (?) to come with me but this is not because he has a gentle heart. He is still a selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk.
He decided to came because I NEVER TREAT HIM AS HE DESERVED. I was always there for him, I tried to protect him and his family and I always did the dirty work for him.
But what did he do in exchange for? ? ?

My Lee's only mistake was disagreeing his decisions. And this was enough for him to ruin my life, leaving me behind on many occasions, leaving me to death under fatal danger. What a BRO.

You can ask me, "So, why did you treat him so gentle?". Then I can simply answer, "I did, cause I'm not like a guy as Kenny is."

So, it was my succues to have him on board but not because of Kenny's personality (IF THERE IS A SUCCESS IN THIS SITUATION. :))

Take good care of Clem next week and if you ask me don't trust him while doing it.
Mark my word.

Kat didnt know that dead people reaminate and anyway it shows that people reaminate quickly and jump up.

Larry was a very strong man, so you would have to heap ALOT of heavy salt licks on him and that would have taken alot of time. You gotta destroy the brain...

And Kenny came with you on a suicide mission to save Clem because you never treated him as he deserved? That makes absolutely no sense. He is obviously a better man than you give him credit for.

I would trust Kenny with my life and im sure Clem is in safe hands with him. I bet Lee's life on it :P

[TheNNerdGamer]

SPOILERS FOR TV SERIES SEASON 1-2: I mean, some say that the dead don't reanimate very quickly, like Amy from the TV Series. But remember Shane??? I agree with killing Larry.

spoiler tags, remove spaces between the last "spoiler": put something here [ / spoiler]
if you remove them it'll appear like this: [spoiler] I mean, some say that the dead don't reanimate very quickly, like Amy from the TV Series. But remember Shane??? I agree with killing Larry.

[dukeleto]

Kat didnt know that dead people reaminate and anyway it shows that people reaminate quickly and jump up.

Larry was a very strong man, so you would have to heap ALOT of heavy salt licks on him and that would have taken alot of time. You gotta destroy the brain...

And Kenny came with you on a suicide mission to save Clem because you never treated him as he deserved? That makes absolutely no sense. He is obviously a better man than you give him credit for.

I would trust Kenny with my life and im sure Clem is in safe hands with him. I bet Lee's life on it :P

Then I'm afraid but your Lee is an "already" dead man. :D

Just play from the beginning when you finish the game, and not side with Kenny with his decisions.
I'm not talking about threatening him or trying to kick Duck outside etc etc... I'm talking about general manners- like rationing food, leaving some place or not leaving... Decision type things I'm talking about.

You will suddenly discover the real Kenny in tears.
Oh and, I'd like to add and no offense but,
really really really ".uck Kenny" (he is the MOST irritating man of this game as replies of this thread proves)
:P

[Kiel555]

I'm kinda concerned about the e5 trailer. It shows Kenny again. That's just for the players who did not tell him to go fuck himself right? I'm more than happy to tell Kenny to go fuck himself again but I'd rather just not see that bastard in my game.

[KlNGEDY0]

Wrighty, my friend, I really don't want to argue this but,

MY LEE was doing a heart massage which you just mentioned my Lee wasnt going to do the right thing, when Kenny did his job.

And come on man, you sound like there is no other possiblity to deal with Larry at his very first seconds of his turning. I mean, I don't suppose he will jump as fast as a tiger to his first victim as soon as his eyes opened again as "dead".

If they were SURE that he was already dead, yes I was with you. They could take care of him with every God damn way.

These discussion is pointless as I said somewhere else on forums, that we are all playing different type of games. The thing is all our Kennies Lillies or Carleys are way too different from each other. These are all because of I didn't see Kenny by your way because I never met that guy.

And believe me, in my playthrough he was just a selfish, shifty and complaining (about everything) and a total unfaithful piece of jerk.

And about that babbling I was mentioning was those nagging of him about "how they messed up" or "how will they die" or "how he doesn't want everyone on the boat" or bla bla bla bla...
You might not see these as babbling but for me, his EVERY sentence is nonesense. Last two episodes to me were like wandering around without caring a single word of him. And I'm sure I'll not listen of him on the finale eighter. (Don't ever think I wish him side of me :) Unfortunately I couldn't get rid of him, when I said "I'm going for Clem cause she is like a family to me", he insisted joining me. And whatever I said I couldn't persuade him not to come with me.)

All the best and good luck on NO TIME LEFT with your Kenny.
Cheers.

>Good guy Dukeleto
>Team Lilly
>Wishes someone good luck with Kenny

[Kiel555]

Kenny went against me in the meat locker and again when it came to stealing from the station wagon. I, Lilly and Clem told him it was wrong but he stole anyways. That fucker is to blame for everything! My only regret is that I missed him when I threw the statue head at him. That's right, I tried to kill that bastard before he tried to salt-lick me!

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Kenny went against me in the meat locker and again when it came to stealing from the station wagon. I, Lilly and Clem told him it was wrong but he stole anyways. That fucker is to blame for everything! My only regret is that I missed him when I threw the statue head at him. That's right, I tried to kill that bastard before he tried to salt-lick me!

that was an option? Sweet action!

[SaveCarley]

Kenny went against me in the meat locker and again when it came to stealing from the station wagon. I, Lilly and Clem told him it was wrong but he stole anyways. That fucker is to blame for everything! My only regret is that I missed him when I threw the statue head at him. That's right, I tried to kill that bastard before he tried to salt-lick me!

Same here! I'd have cut my own hand rather than suggest "Kenny should take care of Clem" when I had the option.

[Matrox Yang]

This thread man... KENNY IS A FREAKIN' HERO!!!

[Wrighty]

People said Kenny would show his true colours in ep 5 and he did. He showed everyone what kind of man he is: a goddamn hero. :D

RIP Kenny!

[LokiHavok]

Indeed Kenny is truly the secondary hero in this epic. Kenny is boss!

[Sisterofshane]

The speech he gives about the people in the house that killed themselves was freakin' awesome. Say what you want about the man, I think that he's always had his head in the right place.

[Kiel555]

that was an option? Sweet action!

Yeah. We both looked at the marble statue at the same time but I was faster! :D

Same here! I'd have cut my own hand rather than suggest "Kenny should take care of Clem" when I had the option.

That sucked having to see Kenny again after telling him to go fuck himself. Still, I did get a chance to try and kill him and called him a bastard so it was not a total loss.

For the others, you came to the wrong thread to look for sympathy for Kenny. That asshole is responsible for getting us all killed. He even told me that every night Kat gave him shit for being such a dick. Lilly was right again...we can't let one person fuck this up for everyone!

[DreadMagus]

I dunno, the way my game played out - I can't hate him anymore.

[KennyTWD]

Hai guys

[John W.]

I dunno, the way my game played out - I can't hate him anymore.

Yeah, my playthrough gave me some serious sympathy for Kenny.

I was never particularly mad with Kenny so much as I felt he was coded very terribly. I usually sided with him because, a lot of the time, he was just straight up right. When he was being irrational or shortsighted I disagreed with him; this brings up the issue that for every Kenny Point you gain by having his back, you lose five billion for disagreeing with him in even the most minor of ways.

It was really frustrating, building up a friendship with Kenny and then having the gentle house of cards that is his friendship meter come tumbling down because I forgot to say "bless you" after he sneezed.

Seriously.

[dukeleto]

You know I never liked the guy. Because of his neverlasting needs and because he complained about anything after all the things I've done for him.

But I MUST give him his right, and I must admit maybe he might not be that bad at all. NOT BECAUSE he did something which needs to be done by courage but because he did THAT without knowing all the reason for bad happenings are because of himself. If he knew whole story(who the "stranger" is and why he is doing these) and then went for it, it was meaningless to me. But without knowing the whole truth, I guess he at last could manage to make one thing right in his pathetic life.

By the way, congrats to Wrighty and thestalkinghead ;)
Sorry, but I still don't like him because he led us to our ending, but I admire him most with his last but meaningles suicidal attempt. (For your information, I was always kind to him, I even didn't threw him the statue)
One way or another, it was a great story which became more dramatic with Kenny. He played his role well, he doomed us, and that's all. Nonetheless, for one time, for all good, everyone, let's say:
F.ck Kenny! :D
(I really don't know what I'm thinking about this guy. Both admire and hatred so much for me. Something like love? I'm scared. :P)

[KennyTWD]

You know I never liked the guy. Because of his neverlasting needs and because he complained about anything.

But I MUST give him his right, and I must admit maybe he might not be that bad at all. NOT BECAUSE he did something which needs to be done by courage but because he did THAT without knowing all the reason for bad happenings are because of himself. If he knew whole story(who the "stranger" is and why he is doing these) and then went for it, it was meaningless to me. But without knowing the whole truth, I guess he at last could manage to make one thing right in his pathetic life.

By the way, congrats to Wrighty and thestalkinghead ;)
Sorry, but I still don't like him because he led us to our ending, but I admire him most with his last but meaningles suicidal attempt. (For your information, I was always kind to him, I even didn't threw him the statue)
One way or another, it was a great story which became more dramatic with Kenny. He played his role well, he doomed us, and that's all. Nonetheless, for one time, for all good, everyone, let's say:
F.ck Kenny! :D
(I really don't know what I'm thinking about this guy. Both admire and hatred so much for me. Something like love? I'm scared. :P)

Okay? :)

[dukeleto]

Okay? :)

Okay, he is not a bad guy at all, like Wrighty and thestalkinghead already mentioned. I already admit it.
But this doesn't change the fact that everybodies life in this game screwed because of him not only by one time but more. I was blaming him for Larry, and now this? These are to much for me to sympathy for him. I just pity for him for his mistakes, and I'll always remember him with his debts, failures, and with his bad temper which made him look worse than he is in real.

[Ninnuendo]

I see no reason to have sympathy for him. There's a moment when he realises what a prick he's been to Ben but he's soon back to himself, threatening Lee and thinking about smashing your head in with a bust. When he told me to leave I did it without a second thought.

[rachellouise85]

can he still hate you at that point (in the loft/attic)? In mine, on the sofa Kenny pretty much says he's over it now. Even though he did spend quite some time hating Lee.

[KennyTWD]

Okay, he is not a bad guy at all, like Wrighty and thestalkinghead already mentioned. I already admit it.
But this doesn't change the fact that everybodies life in this game screwed because of him not only by one time but more. I was blaming him for Larry, and now this? These are to much for me to sympathy for him. I just pity for him for his mistakes, and I'll always remember him with his debts, failures, and with his bad temper which made him look worse than he is in real.



...i AM Kenny.

[dukeleto]

can he still hate you at that point (in the loft/attic)? In mine, on the sofa Kenny pretty much says he's over it now. Even though he did spend quite some time hating Lee.

I guess it is fair to judge him with his existance during the journey. I mean, he had a very strong role in this story which made him unforgettable.
I don't blame him for what he has done anymore, as he is a virtual character. But I accepted his existance as a MUST. "He is like this, he is like that.." well well, everybody has their own point on him. But the constant fact is he stood on where he should stand , he played his role well(to me, as a trouble magnet).
I think, Telltale deliberately made him sacrifice himself as they were already knowing Kenny must pay his debts.

...i AM Kenny.

You are alive!!! I didn't throw that statue at you, you know that don't you?
Come here, sit and feel free to have a drink, besides it is the best thing you can do during Z apocalypse :P

[The13thRonin]

Yeah, my playthrough gave me some serious sympathy for Kenny.

I was never particularly mad with Kenny so much as I felt he was coded very terribly. I usually sided with him because, a lot of the time, he was just straight up right. When he was being irrational or shortsighted I disagreed with him; this brings up the issue that for every Kenny Point you gain by having his back, you lose five billion for disagreeing with him in even the most minor of ways.

It was really frustrating, building up a friendship with Kenny and then having the gentle house of cards that is his friendship meter come tumbling down because I forgot to say "bless you" after he sneezed.

Seriously.

LOL.

So much this.

When he sacrificed himself for Ben in my game I was kind of torn between bemusement and sadness. Sadness because he was the last of the original group to die besides Clementine and Lee but bemusement because he is such a giant ass hypocrite. He hates Ben the whole game and then he hates on his wife for killing herself and all he cares about is pragmatism like getting a boat or killing Larry because he might be infected and then all of a sudden he's like SUICIDE CHARGE INTO A MILLION ZOMBIES EVEN THOUGH BENS ALREADY DEAD BECAUSE I ALSO WANT TO DIE BUT IT'S TOTALLY NOT SUICIDE BECAUSE I HATE SUICIDE...

Part of me really wanted to grab that gun off Kenny and shoot Ben and then proceed to beat him to death with it... The zombies took my satisfaction away... :(

[Viser]

Eh, gotta give props to that guy. My slight dislike for the way he is turned into indifference and a bit of admiration because of what he did for Ben, my favorite character. He finally decided to show me his good side, and we were kinda starting to get along after I apologized for losing my temper with him in the attic. Too bad he didn't show me that earlier, I spent most of the game on his bad side...

And I don't know about you guys, but I'm kinda getting sick of every single person we meet dying or disappearing in the game. I know it's TWD, and it's that idea of no one being safe that drew me into reading the comics in the first place, but I think that since it's a game and we get more emotionally invested because we're actually interacting with the characters, I believe that in season 2 it's gonna be a lot harder to get attached to any character we meet after every single person (not including Clemmy) we cared about in season 1 either died or had an unknown fate. Not being able to get attached to anyone would kinda suck D:

But don't mind me, watching the characters I cared about constantly dying just got me a bit frustrated at TWD in general.

[Josec]

I was totally p*ssed with Kenny, after saving his son, feeding him, supporting Kenny and his family for long, just because I didn't killed Larry with him, he holded a grudge against me and left me to death twice. I even told him to "f*ck off" in episode 4, although I replayed it later to bring him to die in episode 5. :D
He becomes better in episode 5 if we can bring him along us, which is still possible if we have sided with his family, although not with him for the whole game.
In the end, my opinion about him is more or less the same he has about me: I don't like him but I recognize he stood for some moral principles when helping finding Clementine, at least. Definetively not my hero but I'm not so p*ssed with him after episode 5. Took him some time to become a team player but he ends as one.

[dukeleto]

I was totally p*ssed with Kenny, after saving his son, feeding him, supporting Kenny and his family for long, just because I didn't killed Larry with him, he holded a grudge against me and left me to death twice. I even told him to "f*ck off" in episode 4, although I replayed it later to bring him to die in episode 5. :D
He becomes better in episode 5 if we can bring him along us, which is still possible if we have sided with his family, although not with him for the whole game.
In the end, my opinion about him is more or less the same he has about me: I don't like him but I recognize he stood for some moral principles when helping finding Clementine, at least. Definetively not my hero but I'm not so p*ssed with him after episode 5. Took him some time to become a team player but he ends as one.

Epic agree.

[chaz99]

He could have, should have survived. He didn't have to take as much time putting down Ben before following Lee up the ladder.

He pissed me off severely but I still feel that his dead was pretty much needless.

[dukeleto]

He could have, should have survived. He didn't have to take as much time putting down Ben before following Lee up the ladder.

He pissed me off severely but I still feel that his dead was pretty much needless.

Maybe he just couldn't take anymore... I mean, Ben.
He mistreated him for all that time, and so maybe Kenny couldn't stand the idea of killing him and just then going on...
Maybe he just got tired of their desperate survival. He ventured even being a big disappointment to Lee, and he let it go. Maybe, in the end he came to a conclusion like "Nah, he is already dead in any case" or after thinking of Lee's condition...He just couldn't. Who knows why?
The thing is he completely gave up.

[HiggsBoson2142]

It's funny seeing everyone saying "Kenny's a bastard!" one minute and then "Kenny's such a hero!" the next.

[John W.]

Maybe he just couldn't take anymore... I mean, Ben.
He mistreated him for all that time, and so maybe Kenny couldn't stand the idea of killing him and just then going on...
He ventured even being a big disappointment to Lee. But I think in the end he came to a conclusion like "Nah, he is already dead inany case" . Maybe he just got tired. Or thought Lee won't be there soon... Who knows?
He completely gave up, in my opinion.

He gave up a long time before this moment, if we're being honest. If you don't understand why he was the way he was, you don't understand simple human emotion; his wife killed herself, his only friend had to kill his son because he couldn't do it himself (in my playthrough, at least). After their deaths, he pursued the dream resolution of a magical boat that would see them all safely into paradise with an obsession bordering on delusion. Truth be told, Kenny died with his son and his wife in the Georgian countryside.

Also I am really shocked and impressed that a video game is so deep and complex and rich that I can actually say things like that about one of the characters. God I love TTG.

[dukeleto]

It's funny seeing everyone saying "Kenny's a bastard!" one minute and then "Kenny's such a hero!" the next.

I don't think anyone up there is saying, "He is such a hero." :)
People who doesn't like Kenny -like me- is about a confession that Kenny wouldn't be that bad. Some admiration for him and that's all.
Please understand this now. I EVEN didn't throw that statue at him, and I managed him to understand his fault on Ben with my choices.
It was not Kenny, who was all good by himself. But it was LeeMe.



Also I am really shocked and impressed that a video game is so deep and complex and rich that I can actually say things like that about one of the characters. God I love TTG.

Same here.

[Kiel555]

I can appreciate the comments you guys are posting. I've had a strong dislike for Kenny ever since the meat locker incident. Then the strong dislike grew to hatred after the first or second time he left me to die...I don't recall. I didn't have Ben in e5. I take care of traitors right away.

I think Kenny finally realized what a jackass he's been and in a fit of self-loathing jumped through the hole in the roof to give Christa a boost out. It was nice that he saved Christa from a predicament that he caused but it was too little too late.

I resent Kenny for so many things even more so when he could have just taken a few supplies, loaded up his truck with his family and been on his merry shortly after we met Mark. Maybe our group still would not have survived but at least we would have faced these challenges as a team not a divided clusterfuck.

I gained no repect for Kenny when he died. Rather, I thought, it's about fucking time.

[Wrighty]

You know I never liked the guy. Because of his neverlasting needs and because he complained about anything after all the things I've done for him.

But I MUST give him his right, and I must admit maybe he might not be that bad at all. NOT BECAUSE he did something which needs to be done by courage but because he did THAT without knowing all the reason for bad happenings are because of himself. If he knew whole story(who the "stranger" is and why he is doing these) and then went for it, it was meaningless to me. But without knowing the whole truth, I guess he at last could manage to make one thing right in his pathetic life.

By the way, congrats to Wrighty and thestalkinghead ;)
Sorry, but I still don't like him because he led us to our ending, but I admire him most with his last but meaningles suicidal attempt. (For your information, I was always kind to him, I even didn't threw him the statue)
One way or another, it was a great story which became more dramatic with Kenny. He played his role well, he doomed us, and that's all. Nonetheless, for one time, for all good, everyone, let's say:
F.ck Kenny! :D
(I really don't know what I'm thinking about this guy. Both admire and hatred so much for me. Something like love? I'm scared. :P)

How did Kenny doom everyone? Ben has more to answer for than Kenny.

And I don't think his death was meaningless. He finally saw the good in Ben and thought "Do you know what. Fuck it I'm not abandoning anyone else to get eaten and I'm not giving up on this kid. I'll die letting him know I do care for him"

Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good. :D

[dukeleto]

How did Kenny doom everyone? Ben has more to answer for than Kenny.

And I don't think his death was meaningless. He finally saw the good in Ben and thought "Do you know what. Fuck it I'm not abandoning anyone else to get eaten and I'm not giving up on this kid. I'll die letting him know I do care for him"

Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good. :D

Kenny doomed everyone by killing Larry but EVEN BETTER stealing from that lone car which both caused a series of chain reaction.

Man, isn't it enough for both sides (haters and lovers) to see that this discussion is going nowhere.
"Kenny" who you know and whom I know is way much more different than each other.
I wish you could see him being a "d.ck" for manyMANYmany times for just ONLY not helping him to bust some other guy's face, rather than pointing us to see his ONLYONE angel moment with that statue.

That's the point and sorry I'm done with Kenny. Have a nice discussion on that -hmpfs- man.
Cheers! :D

[Josec]

Also all Kenny haters should let him get the statue head and see what happens. Shows how "evil" Kenny really is. And thanks. Me and stalking are the few who saw the good. :D

What happens with Kenny and that statue some are talking about ? I can't remember any situation fighting Kenny with any statue. Actually it's even possible to convince him to stop the train with no fight. It seems I missed that statue part maybe because I was always trying to get the group toghether dispite my differences with Kenny, Ben, Larry and Lilly (each one at some point*).

*Well...there was no big arguments with Ben but the guy caused much pain; the only reason I stood for him at Crawford was because I took Clementine with us so she would not be alone with Omid (could turn a walker at any moment, I thought) and she stood for Ben...humn...making me standing for him as well... :D

EDIT: I think I must play a new game as a bad motherf*cker from day one to try to get more fights and stuff. :D

[dukeleto]

What happens with Kenny and that statue some are talking about ? I can't remember any situation fighting Kenny with any statue. Actually it's even possible to convince him to stop the train with no fight. It seems I missed that statue part maybe because I was always trying to get the group toghether dispite my differences with Kenny, Ben, Larry and Lilly (each one at some point*).

*Well...there was no big arguments with Ben but the guy caused much pain; the only reason I stood for him at Crawford was because I took Clementine with us so she would not be alone with Omid (could turn a walker at any moment, I thought) and she stood for Ben...humn...making me standing for him as well... :D

Man, statue issue is from Episode5. If you haven't experienced Ep5 yet, I strongly advise you to close this window immediately :D

[Josec]

Man, statue issue is from Episode5. If you haven't experienced Ep5 yet, I strongly advise you to close this window immediately :D

I just ended it last night\today but I'm still missing that statue part. The only thing that dropped on my head was at the end, when we have found Clementine and the walker grabs her.

By the way: I chose to chop my arm and later when Kenny was threatning me I said him to go ahead and kill me then. Maybe it was that part, in case the argument would last longer... or no ?

[Noble]

(didn't read many of the posts before this, but I decided I'd just put out my two cents on Kenny)

I liked Kenny since Episode 1, and when we pushed onto Episode 2 I can see he was doing his best to do the right thing but it was misguided. I could relate to him because my dad was and is similar to him in personality, and the choices he made I could see him making.

Kenny was a man wanting to do the right thing for everyone, but he made the wrong choices -- when he killed Larry after I tried to save him I started to dislike him, especially after he left me to fend for myself against the St. John's, but after that I realized that he did what the situation called for.

In Episode 3, I could see him breaking apart inside before Katjaa shot herself because of the current state the world was put into, I think he wanted it to all be over and go back to how things were, and after Katjaa and Duck died he was broken and had little to no reason to live anymore.

He kept on pushing to try and get the boat because that was his only goal, and when Clementine went missing (if you tell him she is all you have left now) he realizes that he has made a lot of mistakes, and decided to help Lee prevent any mistakes he made from affecting Clementine -- especially since he was going to die.

[YamiRaziel]

Yeah. We both looked at the marble statue at the same time but I was faster! :D



That sucked having to see Kenny again after telling him to go fuck himself. Still, I did get a chance to try and kill him and called him a bastard so it was not a total loss.

For the others, you came to the wrong thread to look for sympathy for Kenny. That asshole is responsible for getting us all killed. He even told me that every night Kat gave him shit for being such a dick. Lilly was right again...we can't let one person fuck this up for everyone!

Haha, I grabbed the statue first too :D :D

Oh, man, I have so much to say about Kenny.
So let's start!
FUCK KENNY!
Not only I tell him that I don't want him with us, but he crashes with our party again and pretends like nothing happened? And I don't get the chance to tell him to fuck off again? Damn, Telltale...
Later in the attic he even dared to say "There was that girl Lilly take came between me and Lee."
I beg your pardon?! How does he dare mention even Lilly and the Larry accident....
At least me being super mean and spiteful towards him was a sort of a satisfaction.
And also I was given the option to tell him he's a bastard.
I'm really displeased with the way my story ended with Kenny.
He should've been all alone, beaten by Vernon and his pals, rethinking his family's deaths over and over again, while starving to death, alone and in misery. That's what he deserves!

You think Kenny's a hero? Get a grip, please. He doesn't have his boat anymore and he doesn't have anywhere else to go. He wouldn't have come with me (not that I ever wanted him) if he had other options.
Then instead of helping me save Clem (you know with me dying and Ben dying) he decides to sacrifice himself for nothing? Oh.. the hypocrite...

If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.

[YamiRaziel]

Hope this thread survives till season 2 and beyond :D Even when people no longer remember who Kenny was, this thread should be around :D

[Kiel555]

There are still a lot of people who have not played this great game. When they do, they're going to need a fuck Kenny thread to turn to and embrace. I see this thread lasting a long time!:D

[CrazyandProud]

Haha, I grabbed the statue first too :D :D

Oh, man, I have so much to say about Kenny.
So let's start!
FUCK KENNY!
Not only I tell him that I don't want him with us, but he crashes with our party again and pretends like nothing happened? And I don't get the chance to tell him to fuck off again? Damn, Telltale...
Later in the attic he even dared to say "There was that girl Lilly take came between me and Lee."
I beg your pardon?! How does he dare mention even Lilly and the Larry accident....
At least me being super mean and spiteful towards him was a sort of a satisfaction.
And also I was given the option to tell him he's a bastard.
I'm really displeased with the way my story ended with Kenny.
He should've been all alone, beaten by Vernon and his pals, rethinking his family's deaths over and over again, while starving to death, alone and in misery. That's what he deserves!

You think Kenny's a hero? Get a grip, please. He doesn't have his boat anymore and he doesn't have anywhere else to go. He wouldn't have come with me (not that I ever wanted him) if he had other options.
Then instead of helping me save Clem (you know with me dying and Ben dying) he decides to sacrifice himself for nothing? Oh.. the hypocrite...

If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.

And yet you are a Lily fan who kills an innocent person and then later on kills a baby and women. Pretty hypocritical.

[Rock114]

There are still a lot of people who have not played this great game. When they do, they're going to need a fuck Kenny thread to turn to and embrace. I see this thread lasting a long time!:D

Team Kenny will build a wall of salt-licks around this thread. Nobody will get in ever again.

[CarScar]

If he's dead then I'm happy he died for nothing. I wouldn't have expected more from a moron like him. If he somehow survived (I'm sure he didn't) then I hope he ends up alone and full of regrets.
If it makes you happy, not only did he die for nothing but he also died with a lot of regrets:

"No Lee, I could have been a better father... a better husband... and a better friend."

[NSS]

Registered to give my regards to Kenny, the best character in the Walking Dead video game. By a mile.

Lee and Kenny are dropping salt licks on Larry's head together in heaven.

[Rock114]

Registered to give my regards to Kenny, the best character in the Walking Dead video game. By a mile.

Lee and Kenny are dropping salt licks on Larry's head together in heaven.

The friendship between those two (if you went down that path) is second only to the bond between Lee and Clem, in my opinion. I loved that they both had each others' backs in my game until the very end.

[Fabrimuch]

Well, even if my relationship with Kenny was pretty strained since the salt-lick incident, I never really hateds the guy. I could see why he did what he had done, and besides, I'm not the kind to hold grudges for a very long time.

Actually, sometimes I hated myself for being so forgiving. He left me for dead twice and refused to come look for Clem with me (even when I told him she was my family), yet I wasn't even angry at the guy, just sad that he felt that way towards me. If he had been kind to me at least once in my game, I would have gladly stood by his side and called him a friend.

Still, in Ep. 5 he seemed to realise how selfish he'd been and started to change. I didn't grab that statue (I was even yelling at my screen that I didn't want to kill Kenny :D), so he grabbed it and threw him at the wall. We apologised to each other in the following conversation and began anew (he even called me "pal", something unprecedent).

In the end, I'm somewhat happy with the way he went. After an entire season of looking out only for himself, he gave his life trying to save Ben. A bit ironic how his only selfless act ended up costing him his life, but it shows how much he'd grew in that episode.


I'll miss Kenny. I wish I could have called him a friend, but I suppose these things don't work out all the time. May you throw salt-licks on unsuspecting angels in heaven :p.

[dinofire]

The friendship between those two (if you went down that path) is second only to the bond between Lee and Clem, in my opinion. I loved that they both had each others' backs in my game until the very end.

^This.
If you treat him right, he's a great bro to have :D

[dukeleto]

^This.
If you treat him right, he's a great bro to have :D

If you treat him right...

Well, no offense but I'm so curious how does it not enough to treat him right, except aggreing him to bust Larry's face and shooting the lone girl on the street to gain more time and stealing from a lone car, BUT other than these three, agreeing with ALL stuff he was waiting from Lee? Is everything Lee did for him really not enough to gain his friendship?

Last time I checked, the only thing meLee ever needed to call Kenny as a "friend" was he has a wife and a little boy.

Yes, Kenny is such a hero-bro of all times!

P.S: For all Kennylovers, please be sure that you liked Kenny most because you probably helped him to bust Larry's face. And you are accusing Lilly fans for supporting a murderer, what an irony.
Beware, at least with Carley situation what ever your decision of Lilly's fate was, Lee's hands remained CLEAN. (For me, hands of whom let Lilly get on the RV are way much cleaner)
You have your own angle of Lee's hands condition while deciding your attempt on Larry situation.
Have fun :)

[Rock114]

Well, since I think that Larry was pretty dead after he stopped breathing, had no pulse, and his heart stopped beating, I'd say that my Lee's hands were pretty clean in the meat locker too. Walkers don't count as people, and Larry was pretty much a walker about 10 seconds after he hit the ground, in my mind. Kenny's actions may not always seem to be "right" but they ARE logical. Logical decisions which will actually benefit/save the group as a whole. Just like leaving the girl in the street or busting Larry's head.

[Kaserkin]

My relationship with Kenny was pretty tense. In Ep 1, we were good friends, but in episode 2 we began to have problems. I didn't want to support him or Lilly in the struggle, but I tried to save Larry. Despite he called me useless, despite him being mad at me for helping Larry or defending Ben, I still thought he was a good person . In Ep 5 I finally realized that I was right, he was still the closest thing to a friend I had. He was able to do anything to get Clem back, and even bagan forgiving Ben. That's why I wanted him to take care of her.

[Wrighty]

Well, since I think that Larry was pretty dead after he stopped breathing, had no pulse, and his heart stopped beating, I'd say that my Lee's hands were pretty clean in the meat locker too. Walkers don't count as people, and Larry was pretty much a walker about 10 seconds after he hit the ground, in my mind. Kenny's actions may not always seem to be "right" but they ARE logical. Logical decisions which will actually benefit/save the group as a whole. Just like leaving the girl in the street or busting Larry's head.

This pretty much sums it up.

I think its funny how people pretend theres no difference between shooting a person who was no threat in the head for doing something she might not have even done and making sure Larry who might already be dead doesnt destroy (LITERALLY) the whole group. Lilly fans really have to clutch at straws to find faults, especially after ep 5. Saying that every logical decision he makes proves he is a bad and evil person, who deserves to die.

[NSS]

If you treat him right...

Well, no offense but I'm so curious how does it not enough to treat him right, except aggreing him to bust Larry's face and shooting the lone girl on the street to gain more time and stealing from a lone car, BUT other than these three, agreeing with ALL stuff he was waiting from Lee? Is everything Lee did for him really not enough to gain his friendship?

Last time I checked, the only thing meLee ever needed to call Kenny as a "friend" was he has a wife and a little boy.

Yes, Kenny is such a hero-bro of all times!

P.S: For all Kennylovers, please be sure that you liked Kenny most because you probably helped him to bust Larry's face. And you are accusing Lilly fans for supporting a murderer, what an irony.
Beware, at least with Carley situation what ever your decision of Lilly's fate was, Lee's hands remained CLEAN. (For me, hands of whom let Lilly get on the RV are way much cleaner)
You have your own angle of Lee's hands condition while deciding your attempt on Larry situation.
Have fun :)

Larry was already dead, pal. Try again.

[Yertos]

Larry wasn't dead yet, but he sure was about to be. I agree with what Kenny did but he did it way to fast and handled it poorly. If he gave Lilly a little more time and maybe didn't do it right in front of her. Larry wasn't going to turn instantly.

[dukeleto]

Larry was already dead, pal. Try again.
Nope, he wasn't. Otherwise, Lee might have said that "Ok, Lilly. I'm so sorry... but he is all gone..." kinda quote.

Guys, please try to be reasonable. Even if he were dead, Kenny should respect Lilly's feelings. It's not only himself who cares for his family. And the only family is not his family. He suddenly came into HER group and started giving orders, making decisions, busting heads etc... So ridiculous.

I'm not supporting Lilly of course because of her murder. I think she is psychology ill in some way- too stressed, too sad, too desperate... And Carley (which I love most) really pushed her buttons.
And I'm trying to be reasonable with someone who makes instant deadly mistakes like Lilly. Her reacton was so humanistic to me- it was so primitive, it was so weak which makes all of us "human".
But I can't support someone whose actions are slippery, cowardy and treachery. And I can't call him a friend in long term. I don't know if I could express myself; I love Lilly because her mistake was about her wrong instincts, and I don't love Kenny because his (ton of) mistakeS were all about his personality.

You are completely free to love Kenny who always pushes you around, forcing you into hard situations, yelling at you, complaining you etc, and I can love an unfortunate murderer. I'm not even talking about claiming the leader role while Kenny has NO way anything about it. He was always all irritating with his words, with his ideas, and with his actions and I'm really speechless how can people call him "friend" after he pushes Lee away when Lee tried to talk to him on that train. Just weird but I guess this is all about perspective.

You may not agree with me about the things I listed above and I respect that. But, please
never and ever try to sweep under the carpet that Kenny's salty attempt was the first and deadly sin against Lee's group. They were so bound to each other, but with his selfishness around, everything started to crumble. I am sorry for you Kennylovers, but not Lilly, not Larry, not Ben, and even not radioman was the reason they are all dead and everything messed up. But with not giving respect to any others' feelings, Kenny did start everything.

MY LAST WORDS ABOUT KENNY ARE THESE: (And I'm serious with that, those moustaches took so much time from my life)
I prefer a "murderer" with a good attitude than a presuming traitor if I have to call someone "friend".

P.S: In fact, it is so funny I am still talking about this guy since the game is over and everything ended...
I must be really pissed off with Kenny :)

[CarScar]

Larry was already dead, pal. Try again.
Although it's true that he may have died later or what have you, but he definitely wasn't dead at the time. If the player manages to give Larry five CPR reps he responds and takes a breath.

[Rock114]

It's not a breath, he just moves his mouth. It could be him turning for all we actually know.

And I don't see how Kenny actually pushes Lee around. I also don't see how Kenny got everyone killed. Yeah, the supplies in the car weren't abandoned, but exactly how many of us knew, right that second, that a family of four was currently using that food? Because at the time, not only was the group starving, but it had just lost two members and had another one wounded. The motel had a week's worth of food left if it were rationed. The group didn;t know that the bandits would attack, or that the radio guy would come back. Hindsight is 20/20 they say, so it may be easy to judge Kenny's actions now that we know Campman was still alive, but did you really expect the man to let his family starve to death because the food "might" have belonged to someone? If the bandits hadn't raided the motel, and the group had stayed, they would have all died without that food, slowly and painfully.

And him smashing Larry's head in was completely understandable. When you die, you come back no matter what unless the brain is destroyed. After Larry brought on his heart attack, he hit the ground. Reasons to kill him:

1. No pulse
2. He's not breathing.
3. There's no medicine for his heart.
4. The group is trapped in a confined space with a 6'4, 300 pound corpse who may very well become a walker.
5. The group has no weapons.
6. Two members of the group are being held at gunpoint outside, while another two are on their way with no idea of what they are walking into.

Reasons to try and save Larry:

1. He might be alive.
2. Lilly is there.

Seeing as how Lilly and Larry don't give two shits about anyone but themselves, judging by how they act toward everyone else in the group, why should Lee and Kenny put their lives, as well as Kat, Duck, Carley, Ben, and Clem on the line for those two? When Kenny became just as pragmatic as Lilly, he becomes a monster, but Lilly gets excused. Why is that? If it had been anyone but Larry that went down, Lilly would have been the first to grab a salt lick. If Kenny hadn't done what he'd done, there's a big chance that nobody would have made it back to the motel alive.

[plaqueconspiracy]

It's not a breath, he just moves his mouth. It could be him turning for all we actually know.

Just like you said, it could be him turning for all we know. It could also be him breathing for all we know. We don't know.

[CarScar]

It's not a breath, he just moves his mouth. It could be him turning for all we actually know.
Breathing = moving mouth, eh? I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this). I know it varies between people but I don't think Larry would reanimate that fast. Still a possibility though.

Whether or not it was the right thing or not, I don't know. Killing him was probably the right thing to do, but as Katjaa puts it:

"Doing the right thing is just scary sometimes."

[NSS]

Lots of reasons Kenny's the worst.

So Kenny's more responsible for everyone's death than Ben because...he traumatized Lilly? Are you serious?

We should just blame Larry for everything, then, since he refused to calm down and had the heart attack in the first place.

Or maybe the St. Johns, since they're the ones who put Larry in the high-stress situation.

Basically, find every way imaginable to deflect any real blame from Lilly. It's not her fault that she makes awful decisions and had her own ruthless pragmatism used against her by Kenny. She continues to be played up as a poor, helpless victim by all her defenders.

No accountability. Unless you're Kenny; then it's all your fault.

And yes, Kenny is incredibly flawed. Very incredibly flawed. But his flaws are balanced by a hard-working determination and love of family that's only rivaled by Lee. In fact, determination and love of family (Clementine) are basically the defining features of both Lee and Kenny. It's what makes them such a good team.

[NSS]

Breathing = moving mouth, eh? I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this). I know it varies between people but I don't think Larry would reanimate that fast. Still a possibility though.

Whether or not it was the right thing or not, I don't know. Killing him was probably the right thing to do, but as Katjaa puts it:

"Doing the right thing is just scary sometimes."

Not breathing and having no pulse makes you clinically dead. Larry was dead when he hit the floor. It's been discussed ad nauseum earlier in this topic.

Regardless, any outside facts that neither Lee nor Kenny had access to (in other words, minute details about why Larry isn't dead, just taking a nap) can't be thrown in here. Lee and Kenny had seconds to make a decision.

[Will85]

Kenny is a dick with a very short memory of all the times Lee helps his family.

[Rock114]

Kenny is a dick with a very short memory of all the times Lee helps his family.

Tell him that Clem's your family, and he'll acknowledge all the times you helped Kat and Duck and come with you. Doesn't sound like short memory to me.

[Cyreen]

I'm pretty sure it was suppose to show him breathing, Telltale just didn't make the animation for the movement fluid enough. I also don't think Telltale added it in for no reason, it means something (the meaning is to probably spur discussions like this).

Telltale knew exactly what they were doing and have specifically stated that the movement was intended to be ambiguous - dead or reanimating... oops.

Obviously they did their job right considering there are 62 pages of this discussion and it just keeps going.

[Fabrimuch]

Tell him that Clem's your family, and he'll acknowledge all the times you helped Kat and Duck and come with you. Doesn't sound like short memory to me.

Actually, I told him Clem was my family and he still didn´t come with me. Instead, he decided to tell me to go fuck myself.

So yeah, he does have short term memory, and a bad case of the dickish.

[Rock114]

Actually, I told him Clem was my family and he still didn´t come with me. Instead, he decided to tell me to go fuck myself.

So yeah, he does have short term memory, and a bad case of the dickish.

I've never actually seen him tell anyone to go fuck themselves after they say Clem is family. And why wouldn't he be a dick? His own family died in front of him less than a day before Episode 4 even begins. He's not just going to shrug that off and say "Oh well, I did all I could."

[AnnaSan]

I sided with Lilly when Larry was dying, but with Danny I freaked out and he shot me. And on my second try, I was like KENNY SHOOT THIS F*CKER and he just hid there like a pansy and Lilly had to shoot him. ;_;

[Yertos]

You do understand as long as you have his back he has yours right?
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You make it sound like its crazy to not have his back all the time, but to do so isn't that easy.

EP1
Save Duck: Okay this is a pretty easy choice.
Side With Kenny: To side with him you have to aggressively say your gonna kick Larry's ass rather than reason with him. I wasn't on Larry's side here but because I wanted to be more diplomatic here and not aggressive I'm considered to be on Larry's side. This one is more on the dialogue option's fault than Kenny's.

EP2
Side with him over Lilly as Leader: He has okay opinions here but usually everyone chooses not to pick a side on this and wants a democracy.
Choose to kill Larry: This is the biggest choice in the whole game with Kenny's opinion on you and to make him like you, you have to smash a man's head in in front of his daughter. He was right but come on he handled it very poorly and impulsive.
Steal from the Van: Easier choice but still clearly the morally wrong choice and majority of people choose the option that is more "Nice guy Lee" than "Survivalist, Pragmatic Lee".

EP4
Side with his Boat Plan: I never believed his plan would work and never hid it from him and for that he hated me.
Kill Ben: Killing him because he makes bad decisions is wrong. The best way to handle that would be to either watch him better and treat him like one of the kids and not as an adult, or to kick him out of the group. Murder was not needed and just seems overkill.

Kenny isn't a bad man, but he is impulsive and doesn't like it when people don't agree him. He didn't change until after the boat was gone. The choices needed to have him stay on your good side are mostly the morally wrong option. (Murder, theft)

[CarScar]

^ there's also the choice to shoot Beatrice or not.

[Scaeva]

Larry was a walker waiting to happen.

Lilly's actions in the meat locker were driven by emotion rather than logic, and she was putting the entire group (including Clementine) in danger.

Larry had taken a massive heart attack. He was not breathing and had no pulse, and without the benefit of modern medicine there was no way he could survive. Keep in mind that this heart attack occurs after civilization has collapsed and when there are no paramedics or functioning hospitals, and with the group trapped in a meat locker. Larry's chance at survival even without Kenny introducing his face to a salt lick, was zero.

If Kenny hadn't dropped that salt lick on Larry, they would have had to battle a 6'4 300 lb enraged walker, after it had chewed Lilly's face off.

[AnnaSan]

Larry was a walker waiting to happen.

Yeah, even if he lived, if he keeps on having those heart attacks without medication, he's dead.

[YamiRaziel]

So just kill him because he's handicapped? Is that what you tell yourself to feel better about your choice? It's funny considering people are usually disgusted with Crawford...

[dukeleto]

People are still deaf about the FACT that, it is not the issue here: killing Larry.
The issue here is killing Larry in cold blood in front of his daughter without leaving any little God damn minute to say goodbye. Lilly would be ok if she could spread her last moments with her most beloved (and only left) family member. Maybe some last words...
I even don't mention the possibility of saving Larry.
Such rudeness and selfishness. This is nothing about "hard things must be done sometimes" kinda quote.
This is all primitive and most unrespectful thing to do.
If I were Lilly, I'd kill Kenny in that meat locker by my bare hands.

And please don't try to tell us fairytales, Kenny did not do it for the well of the group but he mostly did it to take revenge from Larry for the argument of Duck's bitten issue. He always wanted to get rid of Lilly-Larry coalition, as he is desperately desiring of that leader role of the group (which I don't know why and with which faculty?), he got the chance and used it precisely.

And I'm so sad by writing these but, in the end Kenny got what he deserved in his pathetic life, he died knowing that he lost his own family in front of his very own eyes by his very own mistakes.
I'm so sorry for Katjaa and Duck, no doubt.

[Rozzer616]

Ok, I just want to say, people who support Lily don't seem to understand that Kenny isn't a coward or an idiot and they don't seem to understand that Lily is flawed and, imo, even more so than Kenny. People who prefer Kenny seem to understand that he isn't perfect, Kenny haters can't accept the fact that he is a loyal and brave guy (even if he isn't loyal to Lee in your save.) Kenny makes logical choices (except when its understandably about his family), Lily makes choices based on her own emotions. Kenny's choice is the lesser of 2 evils when comparing him to Lily. He knows that, if Larry came back as a zombie, he would most likely kill them all and , therefore, his family would've been in danger. Also, going by how quickly people turn, I believe people start turning as soon as they die meaning that Larry couldn't have been saved anyway.

Lily is shown not to think things through because she kills Carley/Doug because they don't agree with her; how can you defend that? Its cold hearted and stupid, she ruined the entire group by doing that. Kenny is in no way worse, he did what he did to protect everyone, Lily did it because she was angry and didn't act rationally at all. Even if you don't side with Kenny, he doesn't kill anyone for no reason and he doesn't put the whole group in danger...the only person he can 'betray' is Lee. That is also understandable, Kenny doesn't risk his life to save you 'cause he only saves people who are family or friends and, if you try to save Larry, you are going against him and putting everyone at risk so why should he risk his life to save you when he needs it to save his family?

People keep saying Kenny was a coward when it came to trying to save Shawn...he wasn't. The apocalypse had only started a few days ago, so Kenny hadn't had a lot of experience with dealing with zombies. He was willing to risk his life to save his son but not risk his life to save a complete stranger who was in a very bad situation; not cowardly

Also, if Larry had become a zombie, you wouldn't have been able to kill him that easily. People keep saying you could keep him down and manage to kill him...how? The only weapon you have is a salt block that slowed Kenny down and required a Larry who wasn't moving. Larry didn't need to get up straight away to deal some damage, he does have arms; both Lee and Lily were in an easy grabbing distance. Lee would've tried to keep Clem alive, Lily would be panicking and Kenny would have been the only rational one when facing a zombie Larry. He had the right idea, though gruesome, when removing Larry as a threat. Remember how much trouble Lee has with zombies when they grab him, needing help or a weapon, and remember that, if you save Duck, it requires both YOU and KENNY to get him free from a zombie who is reaching over a fence and hasn't got a very good grip on Duck. Mark also mentions that he would hate to be alone in a room with a live Larry who has human moral qualities...being in a room with a stronger, zombie Larry, determined to eat you, would've been horrible. And they are stronger as zombies, they can tear through your stomach and get to your guts quickly.

Anyway, no matter how loyal to Lily you are...she betrays you and endangers the entire group. However, Kenny won't endanger the group even if you aren't loyal to him and if you are loyal to him (DOESN'T actually need to be 100%) he becomes the best friend you could hope for in a zombie apocalypse.

[Wrighty]

People are still deaf about the FACT that, it is not the issue here: killing Larry.
The issue here is killing Larry in cold blood in front of his daughter without leaving any little God damn minute to say goodbye. Lilly would be ok if she could spread her last moments with her most beloved (and only left) family member. Maybe some last words...
I even don't mention the possibility of saving Larry.
Such rudeness and selfishness. This is nothing about "hard things must be done sometimes" kinda quote.
This is all primitive and most unrespectful thing to do.
If I were Lilly, I'd kill Kenny in that meat locker by my bare hands.

And please don't try to tell us fairytales, Kenny did not do it for the well of the group but he mostly did it to take revenge from Larry for the argument of Duck's bitten issue. He always wanted to get rid of Lilly-Larry coalition, as he is desperately desiring of that leader role of the group (which I don't know why and with which faculty?), he got the chance and used it precisely.

And I'm so sad by writing these but, in the end Kenny got what he deserved in his pathetic life, he died knowing that he lost his own family in front of his very own eyes by his very own mistakes.
I'm so sorry for Katjaa and Duck, no doubt.

Larry could have been seconds from turning and biting people, they didn't have any time to talk sense into Lilly and then let her have her goodbyes. It took Kenny a while to accept Duck's fate but he had time, Lilly didn't. Waiting for Lilly would have risked everyone's lives and its not worth it. How stupid would it be if Clem/Lilly/Kenny/Lee got bit just because you wanted Lilly to have her goodbyes.

And the whole idea that Kenny wanted Larry dead from ep 1 is just speculation with little proof. He was all for getting Larry's heart medicine immediately after what happened with Duck and his face after using the salt lick says it all. Kenny was looking out for the entire group and his family when he stopped Larry from turning, and he definitely didn't deserve to die.

[Scaeva]

So just kill him because he's handicapped? Is that what you tell yourself to feel better about your choice? It's funny considering people are usually disgusted with Crawford...

Larry had no pulse and wasn't breathing. That isn't handicapped, that is clinically dead.

There was absolutely zero chance that Larry's life could have been saved, and he was a walker waiting to happen. In typical Kenny fashion it was done without tact or consideration for Lilly's grief, but he was right when he said that Larry needed to be put down. There was nothing that could be done for him *except* making sure that he didn't become a walker.

[Rock114]

People are still deaf about the FACT that, it is not the issue here: killing Larry.
The issue here is killing Larry in cold blood in front of his daughter without leaving any little God damn minute to say goodbye. Lilly would be ok if she could spread her last moments with her most beloved (and only left) family member. Maybe some last words...
I even don't mention the possibility of saving Larry.
Such rudeness and selfishness. This is nothing about "hard things must be done sometimes" kinda quote.
This is all primitive and most unrespectful thing to do.
If I were Lilly, I'd kill Kenny in that meat locker by my bare hands.

And please don't try to tell us fairytales, Kenny did not do it for the well of the group but he mostly did it to take revenge from Larry for the argument of Duck's bitten issue. He always wanted to get rid of Lilly-Larry coalition, as he is desperately desiring of that leader role of the group (which I don't know why and with which faculty?), he got the chance and used it precisely.

And I'm so sad by writing these but, in the end Kenny got what he deserved in his pathetic life, he died knowing that he lost his own family in front of his very own eyes by his very own mistakes.
I'm so sorry for Katjaa and Duck, no doubt.

Kenny did not want to kill Larry just so he could take control of the group. He didn't want to kill Larry at all. But he did it because he had to do it. I don't doubt he hated Larry for the incident in the drug store, but that's not why he killed the man! What part of Zombie Apocalypse is so hard to understand? The man was clinicly dead. There was no medicine, the group had no weapons, and they were trapped. Lilly had plenty of time to say goodbye to Larry. I can understand why she didn't give up on him, if it were my father, I probably wouldn't have either, but the fact remains that Larry had been on the ground with no pulse, not breathing, for nearly a minute by the time Lee takes action. How many people is it acceptable to lose just for Lilly to be able to say goodbye? What if she gets bitten? What if Lee does? Even Clem was in danger. Is Clem's life worth Lilly saying goodbye? Because I sure as hell don't think so.

Kenny did handle the situation pretty poorly after the fact, like in the beginning of Episode 3. He really should have acted better toward Lilly and he went about the situation like an ass in my opinion, but he saved everyone in the meat locker. Precious seconds had already been spent trying to revive Larry with zero response. If Larry had come back, the entire group would have been wiped out just so Lilly could say goodbye. My Lee didn't let that happen. He didn;t let Irene turn when she was bitten, he kept reminding Kenny of the fact that Duck was turning and made him see what was actually happenening, and he didn't let himself turn to perhaps harm someone else in the future. He certainly wasn't going to let Larry kill everyone either.

[dukeleto]

Kenny did not want to kill Larry just so he could take control of the group. He didn't want to kill Larry at all. But he did it because he had to do it. I don't doubt he hated Larry for the incident in the drug store, but that's not why he killed the man! What part of Zombie Apocalypse is so hard to understand? The man was clinicly dead. There was no medicine, the group had no weapons, and they were trapped. Lilly had plenty of time to say goodbye to Larry. I can understand why she didn't give up on him, if it were my father, I probably wouldn't have either, but the fact remains that Larry had been on the ground with no pulse, not breathing, for nearly a minute by the time Lee takes action. How many people is it acceptable to lose just for Lilly to be able to say goodbye? What if she gets bitten? What if Lee does? Even Clem was in danger. Is Clem's life worth Lilly saying goodbye? Because I sure as hell don't think so.

Kenny did handle the situation pretty poorly after the fact, like in the beginning of Episode 3. He really should have acted better toward Lilly and he went about the situation like an ass in my opinion, but he saved everyone in the meat locker. Precious seconds had already been spent trying to revive Larry with zero response. If Larry had come back, the entire group would have been wiped out just so Lilly could say goodbye. My Lee didn't let that happen. He didn;t let Irene turn when she was bitten, he kept reminding Kenny of the fact that Duck was turning and made him see what was actually happenening, and he didn't let himself turn to perhaps harm someone else in the future. He certainly wasn't going to let Larry kill everyone either.

I strongly recommend you to watch TV series - if you haven't seen them yet, so you can see how people (especially the group leaders) react to those who are about to lose their family members.

Yes, this is a Zombie Apocalypse which means that it is for everyone, every single person is experiencing the same nightmare and NO ONE is different than the other when you check hard situations, griefs, family issues, etc...

For further information, please watch Andrea&Amy scene and look for Rick's reaction.
For more further information, please watch Tyreese&Ben's mother scene- look for Carl's reaction.
A true leader respects people's feelings.
Different from these examples, in the game our group was trapped in that meat locker I know, but I think even if a little boy like Carl could treat reasonable with family issues, a man with a family should have known better.
If it WAS the purpose- blocking Larry from harming anyone in that meat locker- I'd put some salt licks on Larry's different body parts to limit his possible zombie movements than instantly busting Larry's head. Because I HAVE A BRAIN which I can use whenever I need.
But if it was the purpose to kill him, well it depends...

On the other hand LEEME was there and I really pissed of when Kenny involved the situation which I was already taking care of.

Never mind, really you or I will not give up from our own angles on Kenny. So, lets end this discussion. Because you'll SURELY continue to defend a man(by saying he did everything for his family) who were DOING NOTHING to search for an escape while LEEYOU were looking for an exit from that meat locker.
Pretty please try to remember his words while you were trying to examine the air went and please remember his answer when you asked him if he had any tools on himself suitable to use on those screws.
Last time I checked he was not looking like a mainstay of a family who was dying by scratching the walls to save his family.

God forgive Kenny. I hope he has died in that alley (or in dark room) for the well of the universe.

[BerrySour]

Well, Let's be real here, both Larry and Kenny were pretty flawed characters (As well as Lily), and in a lot of ways all were pretty ruthless and self-serving.

Larry is perfectly happy to let both Duck and Lee die when you first meet him. Much like Kenny would later, Larry did not handle the stressful situation well and made a selfish decision to want to throw a child out to die on the off chance he was bit, then punched Lee, hoping that he would die to zombies, becasue he was selfish and thought to protect himself and his daughter from a perceived threat.

Kenny was the same as Larry, except he was nicer and more cowardly about it. Odds are that Shawn wouldn't have survived even with Kenny's help, but it would have been a lot more possible. However he freaked out and ran. Now in the meat locker he is presented with the same situation, A potential walker and making sure his family is safe. He made the same choice Larry would have if it had been Kenny laying there. Does this make it right?

Well, You have to consider the situation. There was really no time. They were in a meat locker being held hostage by cannibals, whom as it is mentioned soon after, were just about to come back there and murder some of them. Not to mention they might have been making a duck stew =/ Pardon the joke. If they had left Lily have any more time, even if he hadn't reanimated by then, The dairy boys would have killed them. Consider the amount of time that scene takes place in, minus the "game time" it was really only a matter of minutes between the two aforementioned events.

However, Kenny is still a hypocrite and a generally poor person. Let's fast forward to the Duck getting bit, now even though it's a bit absurd. Kenny can actually cause game over becasue of his stubbornness. He puts everyone in danger and possibly kills them all by pushing Lee out after they argue, allowing Duck to reanimate and murder everyone. This is becasue, like Larry, he is a self-serving man who will not even think about the hypocritical nature of his actions. Let's be honest, he is the cause of Katjaa's suicide. He wasn't there for her when she needed him and if he had the strength to handle the situation, she would have been able to find comfort in him. but he was a weak man who didn't want to face reality, and in turn, she couldn't either.

Speed forward to the attic, Lee is bit, Kenny considers dealing with him. It's pretty crazy that he would entertain the notion after everything that has happened. Even if he doesn't do it.

Then his final sacrifice. Does his giving his life up make up for his actions? It's hard to say, in the end he was just a human. Is anyone in a position to judge him when they are playing a character who murdered a senator? The game teaches us, if anything, that people are capable of making life ending mistakes. Ben, Lee, Lily, Larry, Kenny, I mean come on, The story is full of characters who make selfish decisions for the good of themselves or the people they care about.

[YamiRaziel]

I strongly recommend you to watch TV series - if you haven't seen them yet, so you can see how people (especially the group leaders) react to those who are about to lose their family members.

Yes, this is a Zombie Apocalypse which means that it is for everyone, every single person is experiencing the same nightmare and NO ONE is different than the other when you check hard situations, griefs, family issues, etc...

For further information, please watch Andrea&Amy scene and look for Rick's reaction.
For more further information, please watch Tyreese&Ben's mother scene- look for Carl's reaction.
A true leader respects people's feelings.
Different from these examples, in the game our group were trapped in that meat locker I know, but I think even if a little boy like Carl could treat reasonable with family issues, a man with a family should have known better.
If it WAS the purpose- blocking Larry from harming anyone in that meat locker- I'd put some salt licks on Larry's different body parts to limit his possible zombie movements than instantly busting Larry's head. Because I HAVE A BRAIN which I can use whenever I need.
But if it was the purpose to kill him, well it depends...

On the other hand LEEME was there and I really pissed of when Kenny involved the situation which I was already taking care of.

Never mind, really you or I will not give up from our own angles on Kenny. So, lets end this discussion. Because you'll SURELY continue to defend a man(by saying he did everything for his family) who were DOING NOTHING to search for an escape while LEEYOU were looking for an exit from that meat locker.
Pretty please try to remember his words while you were trying to examine the air went and please remember his answer when you asked him if he had any tools on himself suitable to use on those screws.
Last time I checked he was not looking like a mainstay of a family who was dying by scratching the walls to save his family.

God forgive Kenny. I hope he has died in that alley (or in dark room) for the well of the universe.

Read Dukeleto's post again. He's absolutely right. A true leader knows how to react to such situations. If you're incapable, well, you let somebody else handle it.
As Dukeleto mentioned, there were plenty of ways to block reanimated Larry from harming people, if he did return as a walker. Lilly was standing closest to him but I'm sure she would rather get bitten than see her father being killed in such a brutal way.
You have to understand that Kenny wasn't protecting anyone in that meatlocker scene. If that were truly his intentions, then in ep.3 when his son got bitten, he would've have stopped the RV and dealt with it right away. He knew his son was bitten, he knew there wasn't any chance Duck would survive and he knew he was putting everyone in that RV in danger by letting Duck stay. Regardless, he let him stay because those same rules and survival instincts do not apply when his family is concerned. That's why I hate his personality and I can never forgive him for what he did.
Nobody knew when exactly was Duck gonna turn. It could've happened while everybody was asleep. The least that could have happened was Katjaa getting bitten. She wouldn't let go of her son, no matter whether he turned while in her arms or not.

[Scaeva]

Read Dukeleto's post again. He's absolutely right. A true leader knows how to react to such situations. If you're incapable, well, you let somebody else handle it.
As Dukeleto mentioned, there were plenty of ways to block reanimated Larry from harming people, if he did return as a walker. Lilly was standing closest to him but I'm sure she would rather get bitten than see her father being killed in such a brutal way.



There was no way to restrain Zombie Larry. Salt licks wouldn't have worked anymore than putting bricks on a person's arms or legs would pin them down. Any slight movement is going to send them topling over to the side, and the weight of a couple salt licks wasn't going to keep his arms and legs pinned.