F*** Kenny

[Rozzer616]

Read Dukeleto's post again. He's absolutely right. A true leader knows how to react to such situations. If you're incapable, well, you let somebody else handle it.
As Dukeleto mentioned, there were plenty of ways to block reanimated Larry from harming people, if he did return as a walker. Lilly was standing closest to him but I'm sure she would rather get bitten than see her father being killed in such a brutal way.
You have to understand that Kenny wasn't protecting anyone in that meatlocker scene. If that were truly his intentions, then in ep.3 when his son got bitten, he would've have stopped the RV and dealt with it right away. He knew his son was bitten, he knew there wasn't any chance Duck would survive and he knew he was putting everyone in that RV in danger by letting Duck stay. Regardless, he let him stay because those same rules and survival instincts do not apply when his family is concerned. That's why I hate his personality and I can never forgive him for what he did.
Nobody knew when exactly was Duck gonna turn. It could've happened while everybody was asleep. The least that could have happened was Katjaa getting bitten. She wouldn't let go of her son, no matter whether he turned while in her arms or not.

Oh yeh...sorry son time to die. He isn't selfish just 'cause he wants to save his family and not face the truth. Also, he is trying to protect others when he stops Larry from turning, yes...his family IS the priority but he wants to keep as many people alive as possible; he couldn't risk a zombie Larry.

[Wrighty]

There was no way to restrain Zombie Larry. Salt licks wouldn't have worked anymore than putting bricks on a person's arms or legs would pin them down. Any slight movement is going to send them topling over to the side, and the weight of a couple salt licks wasn't going to keep his arms and legs pinned.

This. Not to mention they probably didn't have time to pile up salt licks onLarry anyway and the person piling up the salt licks would probably get bit. A real leader puts the safety of his group ahead of the feelings of one woman and a person who doesn't is simply too weak to make the right call.

And just because Kenny can't immediately give up on his son and kill him does not mean he wasn't making the right call and protecting the group. I would find making the right call on a bitten Clem much harder than making the call on bitten Larry for example. I would probably take more time and there's nothing unnatural or cruel about that. The whole "Kenny doesn't immediately kill his child so he is a hypocrite and a bad person" is weak.

[Scaeva]

Getting O/T a bit, but does anyone else think Larry's death is kind of ironic?

When you first meet him he suggests smashing Duck's head because he might be bitten. Karma is a bitch, Larry. ;)

[CarScar]

You have to understand that Kenny wasn't protecting anyone in that meatlocker scene. If that were truly his intentions, then in ep.3 when his son got bitten, he would've have stopped the RV and dealt with it right away. He knew his son was bitten, he knew there wasn't any chance Duck would survive and he knew he was putting everyone in that RV in danger by letting Duck stay. Regardless, he let him stay because those same rules and survival instincts do not apply when his family is concerned. That's why I hate his personality and I can never forgive him for what he did.
Nobody knew when exactly was Duck gonna turn. It could've happened while everybody was asleep. The least that could have happened was Katjaa getting bitten. She wouldn't let go of her son, no matter whether he turned while in her arms or not.
I don't blame Kenny for his feelings towards losing his son, I mean, losing a father is one thing but losing your only son is another. No parent should have to go through something so awful.

[Rock114]

I strongly recommend you to watch TV series - if you haven't seen them yet, so you can see how people (especially the group leaders) react to those who are about to lose their family members.

Yes, this is a Zombie Apocalypse which means that it is for everyone, every single person is experiencing the same nightmare and NO ONE is different than the other when you check hard situations, griefs, family issues, etc...

For further information, please watch Andrea&Amy scene and look for Rick's reaction.
For more further information, please watch Tyreese&Ben's mother scene- look for Carl's reaction.
A true leader respects people's feelings.
Different from these examples, in the game our group was trapped in that meat locker I know, but I think even if a little boy like Carl could treat reasonable with family issues, a man with a family should have known better.
If it WAS the purpose- blocking Larry from harming anyone in that meat locker- I'd put some salt licks on Larry's different body parts to limit his possible zombie movements than instantly busting Larry's head. Because I HAVE A BRAIN which I can use whenever I need.
But if it was the purpose to kill him, well it depends...

On the other hand LEEME was there and I really pissed of when Kenny involved the situation which I was already taking care of.

Never mind, really you or I will not give up from our own angles on Kenny. So, lets end this discussion. Because you'll SURELY continue to defend a man(by saying he did everything for his family) who were DOING NOTHING to search for an escape while LEEYOU were looking for an exit from that meat locker.
Pretty please try to remember his words while you were trying to examine the air went and please remember his answer when you asked him if he had any tools on himself suitable to use on those screws.
Last time I checked he was not looking like a mainstay of a family who was dying by scratching the walls to save his family.

God forgive Kenny. I hope he has died in that alley (or in dark room) for the well of the universe.

You're right about us not changing each others' opinions. 60+ pages of people argueing back and forth have surely proven that, but I think that, while Kenny may not be a stand up guy who'd put literally everyone ahead of himself, he's not evil. I see his actions as him doing the necessary things to ensure the group's survival, which of course includes the survival of his family, but he doesn't give up when they die. He gets everyone off the street in Savannah, even though it means leaving Chuck behind. Instead of blindly fleeing, the man finds a shotgun to give to Lee in the belltower so Lee can hold the walkers off so the group can escape. He tries to make sure everyone knows what to do if Lee faints again in the attic so that the other four of them don't die in case he turns. He helps the first person who needs it on the mission to rescue Clem, despite hating their guts, and he dies for it. Saying that him dying is good for the universe is wrong. He was just a man caught in impossible situations. If you think that people who wronged you should die, then why didn't you slam a brick of salt into Larry's face?

[YamiRaziel]

This. Not to mention they probably didn't have time to pile up salt licks onLarry anyway and the person piling up the salt licks would probably get bit. A real leader puts the safety of his group ahead of the feelings of one woman and a person who doesn't is simply too weak to make the right call.

And just because Kenny can't immediately give up on his son and kill him does not mean he wasn't making the right call and protecting the group. I would find making the right call on a bitten Clem much harder than making the call on bitten Larry for example. I would probably take more time and there's nothing unnatural or cruel about that. The whole "Kenny doesn't immediately kill his child so he is a hypocrite and a bad person" is weak.

So because it is his son, that changes the rules? His son is nothing to the rest of the group member (except for Katjaa, ofc). Just accept it - Kenny is a coward and a hypocrite who doesn't really care about anyone else.

[dukeleto]

Salt licks wouldn't hold him on the ground? You just sounded like you didn't see how Larry's face reshaped after he ate that salt lick. Your comment was just sided, I think.

For me, there is only ONE explanation to the situation above all other excuses:

Kenny doesn't care others' lives and feelings + Kenny panicked + Kenny doesn't have the balls + Kenny looked for a revenge + Kenny wanted to hold all strings in his hands + Kenny was trembling with the idea of a painful death

=

Kenny murdered Larry with no hesitation. Dastardly.


If you think that people who wronged you should die, then why didn't you slam a brick of salt into Larry's face?

Well, my friend. I didn't...

Because Larry thought it might not be the best idea to carry a murderer around. And he left LeeME behind with no other "personal" manner. And from his point it looked very reasonable to me.

Because Larry NEVER ever mentioned that we were friends. (and he kept the ball rolling, at least no lies)

Because Larry was how he was. It is about his personality, if he doesn't like a guy, then he doesn't. And this is way much more honest to me. Not like slippery Kenny.

Because there was really NO necessity to do it at that point. (Come on, where did you see a zombie acted like Sonic the Hedgehog or where did you see a zombie has some Cheetara moves in this game? You all sound like it was not possible to wait until the first signs of his turning. They were even not sure that he was dead. Even if he has turned, I'm pretty sure they can handle finishing him off before he could take a single step.)

Because I deeply believed that Larry is an ok guy.

You asked me why I didn't slam a brick of salt into Larry's face if I think that people who wronged me should die (P.S: I don't think people who did wrong to me should die), and I have a surprise for you:

I even gave Larry a portion while rationing food, in spite of he left me to death there in Pharmacy;

I did it...

Because I AM a good person.

[Yertos]

Salt licks couldn't hold him on the ground? You just sounded like you didn't see how Larry's face reshaped after he ate that salt lick. Your comment was just sided, I think.

There is only ONE explanation to the situation.
Kenny doesn't care others' lives and feelings + Kenny panicked + Kenny doesn't have the balls + Kenny looked for a revenge + Kenny wanted to hold all strings in his hands + Kenny was trembling with the idea of a sudden death

=

He murdered Larry with no hesitation. Dastardly.




Well, my friend. I didn't...

Because Larry thought it might not be the best idea to carry a murderer around. And he left Lee behind with no other "personal" manner. And from his point it looked very reasonable to me.

Because Larry NEVER ever mentioned that we were friends. (and he kept the ball rolling, at least no lies)

Because Larry was how he was. It is about his personality, if he doesn't like a guy, then he doesn't. And this is way much more honest to me. Not like slippery Kenny.

Because there was really NO necessity to do it at that point. (Come on, where did you see a zombie acted like Sonic the Hedgehog or where did you see a zombie has some Cheetara moves? You all sound like it was not possible to wait until the first signs of his turning. They were even not sure that he was dead.)

Because I deeply believed that Larry is an ok guy.

You asked me why I didn't slam a brick of salt into Larry's face if I think that people who wronged me should die (P.S: I don't think people did wrong to me should die), I have a surprise for you:

I even gave him a portion while rationing food, in spite of he left me to death there;

Because I AM a good person.

I agree with everything here, well said.

[Scaeva]

Salt licks wouldn't hold him on the ground? You just sounded like you didn't see how Larry's face reshaped after he ate that salt lick. Your comment was just sided, I think.

Larry's head was crushed because Kenny hurled the salt lick at his head. It wouldn't have had the same effect if Kenny had just gently placed it there.

Salt licks were not enough to keep Larry pinned to the ground. A salt lick weighs at most 10 or 15 pounds. You are going to need much more than the equivalent of 10 or 15 pound weights to pin down the arms and legs of a 6'4 300 lb man.





Kenny murdered Larry with no hesitation. Dastardly.

Larry's heart had stopped. You can't murder a dead man.

[Rock114]

Because Kenny just chucked that salt lick the moment Larry hit the ground, didn't he? Hell, I bet he had it in his back pocket and was just waiting for a chance, right? Did you see the look on his face when he realized Larry was dead? He didn't want any revenge, although I have no doubt that killing Larry would not have affected him the same way as Duck and Kat's deaths did.

"You remember the poor bastard at the motel, how fast he turned?" I do. I also remember the first walker we ever encountered, the cop. He certainly leapt up like Sonic the Hedgehog. Even knowing all that, he's horrified at what he had to do for his family and the group. He didn't want all the strings in his hands. You make it sound like he was plotting Larry's death from the very beginning. Like he's some sort of assassin. He's not. He made sure that Larry didn't kill anybody after he came back. Kenny's no coward either, he's always had my back. The man even took a bullet to the gut for his son! He tried to save Ben, and he DID save Christa with zero hesitation. The man may have had a bit of a rough patch in the middle, but he was a hero in Episode 1 and he sure as hell died a hero in Episode 5. In my game Christa would be dead if it weren't for him, and he hated her as much as he did Lilly. If he's willing to save the person who got his family killed, or Lilly 2.0, you can't say that he was a truly evil person.

[dukeleto]

Really no need to discuss further. Since we are all too different kinds of people, our actions or our intentions or our reactions on specific occasions are way different, too. As some of us just wants to get rid of the tension (plus it may depend on how much they care about "ethics") while some of us just keeps trying for the best to the last possible moment, no matter what and no matter who they are dealing with. So, please forget the "piling salt licks" issue or Sonic the Hedgehog issue for a moment, since the answer to these two depends on player's angles and capabilities.

The thing I want you to focus most is:

NO one but NO ONE has the right to act like an executioner when it comes to family issues. Kenny shouldn't KILL Larry, because simply he has NO right to do it. Simple. No .ucking right on someone else's life.
No matter what it was not, never, ever, no way, hell no- his duty.

Kenny broke the first and the most important rule (and on my angle he caused a chain reaction on others- like Lilly killing Carley etc.):

"Ohana means family. And family means no one gets left behind." - Stitch

[Rozzer616]

Ok, I just want to say, people who hate Kenny don't seem to understand that Kenny isn't a coward or an idiot and they don't seem to understand that he isn't the only one who is flawed (Lily, Larry and Ben) imo, even more so than Kenny. People who prefer Kenny seem to understand that he isn't perfect, Kenny haters can't accept the fact that he is a loyal and brave guy (even if he isn't loyal to Lee in your save.) Kenny makes logical choices (except when its understandably about his family), Lily makes choices based on her own emotions. Kenny's choice is the lesser of 2 evils when comparing him to Lily. He knows that, if Larry came back as a zombie, he would most likely kill them all and , therefore, his family would've been in danger. Also, going by how quickly people turn, I believe people start turning as soon as they die meaning that Larry couldn't have been saved anyway.

Lily is shown not to think things through because she kills Carley (and accidentally kills Doug) because people don't agree with her; how can you defend that? Its cold hearted and stupid, she ruined the entire group by doing that. Kenny is in no way worse, he did what he did to protect everyone, Lily did it because she was angry and didn't act rationally at all. Even if you don't side with Kenny, he doesn't kill anyone for no reason and he doesn't put the whole group in danger...the only person he can 'betray' is Lee. That is also understandable, Kenny doesn't risk his life to save you 'cause he only saves people who are family or friends and, if you try to save Larry, you are going against him and putting everyone at risk so why should he risk his life to save you when he needs it to save his family?

People keep saying Kenny was a coward when it came to trying to save Shawn...he wasn't. The apocalypse had only started a few days ago, so Kenny hadn't had a lot of experience dealing with zombies. He was willing to risk his life to save his son but not risk his life to save a complete stranger who was in a very bad situation; not cowardly

Also, if Larry had become a zombie, you wouldn't have been able to kill him that easily. People keep saying you could keep him down and manage to kill him...how? The only weapon you have is a salt block that slowed Kenny down and required a Larry who wasn't moving. Larry didn't need to get up straight away to deal some damage, he does have arms; both Lee and Lily were in an easy grabbing distance. Lee would've tried to keep Clem alive, Lily would be panicking and Kenny would have been the only rational one when facing a zombie Larry. He had the right idea, though gruesome, when removing Larry as a threat. Remember how much trouble Lee has with zombies when they grab him, needing help or a weapon, and remember that, if you save Duck, it requires both YOU and KENNY to get him free from a zombie who is reaching over a fence and hasn't got a very good grip on Duck. Mark also mentions that he would hate to be alone in a room with a live Larry who has human moral qualities...being in a room with a stronger, zombie Larry, determined to eat you, would've been horrible. And they are stronger as zombies, they can tear through your stomach and get to your guts quickly.

Anyway, no matter how loyal to Lily you are...she betrays you and endangers the entire group. However, Kenny won't endanger the group even if you aren't loyal to him and if you are loyal to him (DOESN'T actually need to be 100%) he becomes the best friend you could hope for in a zombie apocalypse.

[Wrighty]

So because it is his son, that changes the rules? His son is nothing to the rest of the group member (except for Katjaa, ofc). Just accept it - Kenny is a coward and a hypocrite who doesn't really care about anyone else.

Its a different situation because its his son. No father (Kenny) could immediatly kill his son and give up on them, just as no daughter (Lilly) could immediatly give up on their father and kill them, even if its the right thing to do. Expecting anything different is just plain stupid

And Duk, would you really risk the entire group getting devoured over the idea that you cant get involved in "family issues"? The issue risked everyones lives, including Clem who was like a daughter to Lee, and if its a choice between getting involved or risking everyones lives, hell yeah i would get involved!

And as much as i love Lilo and Stitch, I think the rules on family change in a ZA :P

[DrDeepthroat]

I actually like Kenny though I didn't side with him when he killed Larry and I tried to save Shawn over Duck (Shawn was stuck Duck wasn't, and it was Duck's fault Shawn was stuck anyway).

HOWEVER one thing that really annoyed me about this game, and one of the only things really is that when Kenny and Larry started arguing over whether Duck was bitten or not I sided with Kenny and during one conversation prompt I said about Larry, "Let's reason with him". Okay, all seems fine, except in later episodes Kenny acts as if I said to throw Duck out and sided with Larry. I'm guessing that's some kind of glitch but I found that really irritating that I couldn't point out that I never said that.

[YamiRaziel]

Because Kenny just chucked that salt lick the moment Larry hit the ground, didn't he? Hell, I bet he had it in his back pocket and was just waiting for a chance, right? Did you see the look on his face when he realized Larry was dead? He didn't want any revenge, although I have no doubt that killing Larry would not have affected him the same way as Duck and Kat's deaths did.

"You remember the poor bastard at the motel, how fast he turned?" I do. I also remember the first walker we ever encountered, the cop. He certainly leapt up like Sonic the Hedgehog. Even knowing all that, he's horrified at what he had to do for his family and the group. He didn't want all the strings in his hands. You make it sound like he was plotting Larry's death from the very beginning. Like he's some sort of assassin. He's not. He made sure that Larry didn't kill anybody after he came back. Kenny's no coward either, he's always had my back. The man even took a bullet to the gut for his son! He tried to save Ben, and he DID save Christa with zero hesitation. The man may have had a bit of a rough patch in the middle, but he was a hero in Episode 1 and he sure as hell died a hero in Episode 5. In my game Christa would be dead if it weren't for him, and he hated her as much as he did Lilly. If he's willing to save the person who got his family killed, or Lilly 2.0, you can't say that he was a truly evil person.

It's funny how fast he forgot all that in ep.3. The moment his family got involved it all changed. Actually, his family was involved in ep.2 that's why he acted the way I he did.
If I can swallow the fact that Larry almost killed me back in ep.1, the he should've acted even better than me.
You all speak ill of Larry but he does try to save you in ep.2. Even though he hates your guts. He doesn't pretend to like you, he isn't your friend, but he does it. That makes him a better man than Kenny's treacheries throughout the entire game.
Larry is a man who also looks after his daughter but once he sees you're not a bad man (ep 2) he tries to save you.

[Kaserkin]

It's funny how fast he forgot all that in ep.3. The moment his family got involved it all changed. Actually, his family was involved in ep.2 that's why he acted the way I he did.
If I can swallow the fact that Larry almost killed me back in ep.1, the he should've acted even better than me.
You all speak ill of Larry but he does try to save you in ep.2. Even though he hates your guts. He doesn't pretend to like you, he isn't your friend, but he does it. That makes him a better man than Kenny's treacheries throughout the entire game.
Larry is a man who also looks after his daughter but once he sees you're not a bad man (ep 2) he tries to save you.

Kenny NEVER pretended to be my friend, but he was closest thing to a friend I had in the game, and he never tried to kill me because of it and was never a total dickhead. Larry, on the other hand, was always a douche, no matter what. You can feed him and his daughter, but he'll still hate you.

[Wrighty]

Yank you keep talking about how Larry tried to save you in ep 2, but it wasn't really a rescue. The walker was inside the camp and was a threat to everyone, including Lilly. The guy tried to kill you in ep 1 so I don't think Larry thought "Oh no, Lee is in danger!" but "Walker in the camp near my daughter. Must kill it!"

[thestalkinghead]

People are still deaf about the FACT that, it is not the issue here: killing Larry.
The issue here is killing Larry in cold blood in front of his daughter without leaving any little God damn minute to say goodbye. Lilly would be ok if she could spread her last moments with her most beloved (and only left) family member. Maybe some last words...
I even don't mention the possibility of saving Larry.
Such rudeness and selfishness. This is nothing about "hard things must be done sometimes" kinda quote.
This is all primitive and most unrespectful thing to do.
If I were Lilly, I'd kill Kenny in that meat locker by my bare hands.

And please don't try to tell us fairytales, Kenny did not do it for the well of the group but he mostly did it to take revenge from Larry for the argument of Duck's bitten issue. He always wanted to get rid of Lilly-Larry coalition, as he is desperately desiring of that leader role of the group (which I don't know why and with which faculty?), he got the chance and used it precisely.

And I'm so sad by writing these but, in the end Kenny got what he deserved in his pathetic life, he died knowing that he lost his own family in front of his very own eyes by his very own mistakes.
I'm so sorry for Katjaa and Duck, no doubt.

if kenny didn't kill larry

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/296/2/0/if_lee_stopped_kenny_by_thestalkinghead-d5ioxfq.jpg

the last part is while lilly is taking her time to say goodbye/in denial

[DrDeepthroat]

The more I think about it... Kenny was quite the vindictive little bitch, wasn't he? I mean I really like his character but... yeah. First he cowards out and doesn't help you with Shawn, then if he rushes to kill Larry, next if you didn't rush to kill Larry Kenny leaves you to fend for yourself twice in the city even though you just saved his fucking family from cannibals, and then he doesn't help you and Ben in the clocktower. Yeesh.

[dukeleto]

@DrDeepthroat- Exactly.

@thestalkinghead-
This is only an expectation. :D
Think about how much time passed after his death when they brang that boy (whom Lee chopped his leg off) to their camp? Or think about how much time passed after the police officer has died? Can you name an exact period of time?
Only then, think about how unnecessarily fast YOU killed Larry. :)

Nice picture but I think this is the way you find to disburden yourself :D

[thestalkinghead]

@DrDeepthroat- Exactly.

@thestalkinghead-
This is only an expectation. :D
Think about how much time passed after his death when they brang that boy (whom Lee chopped his leg off) to their camp? Or think about how much time passed after the police officer has died? Can you name an exact period of time?
Only then, think about how unnecessarily fast YOU killed Larry. :)

Nice picture but I think this is the way you find to disburden yourself :D

the guy that got his leg chopped off came back maybe a minute after he dies, katjaa and lee hadn't even finished their conversation about how he just died, when he came back and grabbed katjaa

[dukeleto]

the guy that got his leg chopped off came back maybe a minute after he dies, katjaa and lee hadn't even finished their conversation about how he just died, when he came back and grabbed katjaa

So, while you were not side of him you don't exactly know when he died? :)

[YamiRaziel]

Plus, a long time ago Kiel555 mentioned that people who die off natural causes don't always come back as fast as those who die of bite for example.

As for Larry, Wrighty, you are not right. That walker posed no danger to Lilly or Larry at all. They were armed and were far away from it. So yeah, he did try to save you, despite the fact that he doesn't like you.
The only people who were actually in danger were Lee and Katjaa.
Why didn't Kenny help? Because he was busy being dramatic and offended for no reason.

[thestalkinghead]

So, while you were not side of him you don't exactly know when he died? :)

you can talk to katjaa and know the guy is alive then give away the last of the food have a conversation with kenny, then katjaa will tell you he is dead, so not that long at all, no exact time, but shorter than the average grieving period in which lilly could rationally decide to stop larry from turning

[Kiel555]

Kenny NEVER pretended to be my friend, but he was closest thing to a friend I had in the game, and he never tried to kill me because of it and was never a total dickhead. Larry, on the other hand, was always a douche, no matter what. You can feed him and his daughter, but he'll still hate you.

There is a conversation that you can have with Lilly near the gazebo that sheds some light on why Larry is a jerk and hear how their family is dealing with this ZA.

Larry's personality may be abrasive but what do you really know about him? What does he know about you other than what the media has told him? It's not like Lee was mistaken for a convicted murderer and treated unfairly. He is a convicted murderer. Getting punched in the face by a protective father could happen to a felon. Larry continuing to be suspicious of a felon despite Lee's best efforts to show he's a good guy also seems understandable.

Kenny, on the other hand, pretends to be Lee's friend so long as Lee is an obedient lap dog. Step out of line and Lee risks Kenny's "friendship", Lee's place in the RV, on the boat, and Lee will have to play "the family card" to compel Kenny to help rescue a 9 year old girl from a maniac. Some friend.

[dukeleto]

@Kiel555- Pretty much same here.
But, your effort means a little (like all of us), Kennylovers will continue defending him blindly.
I wrote 5000 pages, and still some guy popped and told me that "You should understand why Kenny killed Larry". :S

Are we not writing correctly or people are really fond of understanding however they want? I'm not complaining because Larry has been killed (or died or whatever...), but I'm complaining because of the method of killing him.

Never mind Kiel, they won't get. And they will probably continue to call "friend" to someone who wants them eighter to steal or to kill to earn that title.

[thestalkinghead]

@Kiel555- Pretty much same here.
But, your effort means a little (like all of us), Kennylovers will continue defending him blindly.
I wrote 5000 pages, and still some guy popped and told me that "You should understand why Kenny killed Larry". :S

Are we not writing correctly or people are really fond of understanding however they want? I'm not complaining because Larry has been killed (or died or whatever...), but I'm complaining because of the method of killing him.

Never mind Kiel, they won't get. And they will probably continue to call "friend" to someone who wants them eighter to steal or to kill to earn that title.

you should understand why kenny killed larry because you said you got Clementine to kill your lee and you should understand why he used the method he did because lilly wouldn't let him take out larry in any other way (a big argument wont stop a zombie) and you should also understand that people can like different people than you (you being Lilly's #2 fan)

[Kiel555]

@Kiel555- Pretty much same here.
But, your effort means a little (like all of us), Kennylovers will continue defending him blindly.
I wrote 5000 pages, and still some guy popped and told me that "You should understand why Kenny killed Larry". :S

Are we not writing correctly or people are really fond of understanding however they want? I'm not complaining because Larry has been killed (or died or whatever...), but I'm complaining because of the method of killing him.

Never mind Kiel, they won't get. And they will probably continue to call "friend" to someone who wants them eighter to steal or to kill to earn that title.

It's obvious that some are entrenched in their opinion of what actually happened in that meat locker on both sides :D.

Still, this is arguably the most important and story defining scene in season 1. I'm all too happy to continue to denounce and condemn Kenny even if it all falls on deaf ears.:D Did I mention this is my favorite thread?

Besides, anyone who helped Kenny murder Lilly's father right in front of her was misled by Kenny. We can't give up on them just because they've been hypnotized by Kenny's sweet mustache.:D

[thestalkinghead]

It's obvious that some are entrenched in their opinion of what actually happened in that meat locker on both sides :D.

Still, this is arguably the most important and story defining scene in season 1. I'm all too happy to continue to denounce and condemn Kenny even if it all falls on deaf ears.:D Did I mention this is my favorite thread?

Besides, anyone who helped Kenny murder Lilly's father right in front of her was misled by Kenny. We can't give up on them just because they've been hypnotized by Kenny's sweet mustache.:D

misled in what way? he stated facts, like if you die you turn unless the brain is destroyed, larry was dead, he will turn unless his brain is destroyed therefore larry's brain needed to be destroyed

[dukeleto]

It's obvious that some are entrenched in their opinion of what actually happened in that meat locker on both sides :D.

Still, this is arguably the most important and story defining scene in season 1. I'm all too happy to continue to denounce and condemn Kenny even if it all falls on deaf ears.:D Did I mention this is my favorite thread?

Besides, anyone who helped Kenny murder Lilly's father right in front of her was misled by Kenny. We can't give up on them just because they've been hypnotized by Kenny's sweet mustache.:D

I LAUGHED SO BAD!!! :D

And yes, this is also my favourite topic!
This is arguably the most important and story defining scene in season 1, because it is the key scene to start everything.

Kenny can call someone "friend" if they helped him to bust some guy's face.
Kenny can call someone "friend" if they helped him to steal from a lone car.
Kenny can call someone "friend" if they let an innocent young boy to fall down from the belltower.
Kenny's reservations for becoming friends are terrific.

@thestalkinghead- I didn't mean YOU by saying -some guy popped and told me that "You should understand why Kenny killed Larry". I was talking about some other guy.
I can handle your arguments, since I'm easily WINNING while discussing you. :D

[thestalkinghead]

I LAUGHED SO BAD!!! :D

And yes, this is also my favourite topic!
This is arguably the most important and story defining scene in season 1, because it is the key scene to start everything.

Kenny can call someone "friend" if they helped him to bust some guy's face.
Kenny can call someone "friend" if they helped him to steal from a lone car.
Kenny can call someone "friend" if they let an innocent young boy to fall down from the belltower.
Kenny's reservations for becoming friends are terrific.

@thestalkinghead- I didn't mean YOU by saying -some guy popped and told me that "You should understand why Kenny killed Larry". I was talking about some other guy.
I can handle your arguments, since I'm easily WINNING while discussing you. :D

i totally defeated you in the other thread :cool:

[dukeleto]

i totally defeated you in the other thread :cool:

Nope.
I'm afraid you did not. You are destroyed. :D

(P.S: For those, who'd like to read a funny challenge which thestalkinghead thinks he defeated me (BUT hell no :)), simply follow this link---->
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42426&page=2

[thestalkinghead]

Nope.
I'm afraid you did not. You are destroyed. :D

(P.S: For those, who'd like to read a funny challenge which thestalkinghead thinks he defeated me (BUT hell no :)), simply follow this link---->
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42426&page=2

yeah that thread where you agree that larry needed to be dealt with, but you didnt like the way kenny did it.

and then you said you would rather die that see your father have his head smashed in, implying that you would have killed lilly then larry :p

[Kaserkin]

Larry was the guy that wanted to trow an uninfected boy in the streets. Kenny wanted to drop a saltlick on a guy who had an heart attack. I supported neither of them, but Kenny never acted like an asshole because I agreed with him in most arguments with Lilly, not because I was his dog.

[dukeleto]

yeah that thread where you agree that larry needed to be dealt with, but you didnt like the way kenny did it.

and then you said you would rather die that see your father have his head smashed in, implying that you would have killed lilly then larry :p

No surprise, you read whole story and all characters terribly wrong my friend.
You are hopeless. :)

[Rock114]

All I heard from Kenny in the meat locker were facts. Larry was not breathing, he had no pulse, there was no medicine. No breathing + no pulse = dead. When you die, you come back as a walker. When you come back as a walker, you try to kill and eat living people. One bite, one little scratch, and it's all over. Larry didn't need to even kill anyone in the meat locker. If he came back and so much as scratched Lee, Clem, Lilly, or Kenny, then they would have died. Carley/Doug, Ben, Katjaa, and Duck also would ahve died. Those are all facts, or at the very least the most likely outcomes. So the man makes sure that nobody else dies, and gets pissed at Lee when he's willing to get the entire group killed to save some jackass who doesn't care about anyone but himself and his own family. Perhaps not even Lilly as much. Just give Lilly food the next time you play Episode 2, but don't give any to Larry. For a man who's sole reason for being the way he is is to "protect his daughter", you think he wouldn't complain about not being fed when his daughter was instead.

As for Kenny "stealing" from the lone car, the key word is "lone". There was absolutely no reason to suspect that the owners of the car were even still alive, let alone coming back. There's a reason that the majority of players took the food. You did pay attention earlier in the episode, right? When the group was starving? When they had no food? The entire reason everyone went to the dairy was because they had no food left. Without the food in the car, the entire group would have starved to death. You can't say that taking it was wrong because "Campman came back". Kenny thought the car was abandoned. Katjaa thought the same thing. The way you say him stealing from the car is bad makes it seem like the group definately starving to death slowly is what everyone should have done, based on the suspicion that the owners might be alive, and might come back. Lilly even says at the start of Episode 2 that the group needs to find more food. Food presents itself, and what does she do? "Let's leave it here guys, the people who we don't even know are alive or coming back for it need it more than our large group with two children that is currently starving".

Why wouldn't Kenny want Ben dead? I find it hilarious that you describe Ben as innocent. Ben's actions directly led to Duck being bitten and Kat commiting suicide, as well as Doug/Carley getting shot. Let's not forget Ben abandoning Clem to the walkers, which also gets Chuck killed when he has to step in and gets left behind. There's also Brie, who was eaten by the walkers that Ben let into the school. That's about five deaths resulting directly from his own actions before the belltower sequence. Ben even says himself that it's all his fault when he talks to Lee in private at Crawford. Kat and Duck were the people Kenny cared about most, the people he nearly died for at the St. John dairy. Ben got them, plus Carley/Doug, all killed in the same day, which was barely 24 hours in the past by the time the Crawford raid takes place. If you saw a chance to see the killer of your wife and child die like they did, barely a day or two after it happened, why wouldn't you take it? The man even forgives Ben for everything in the end! Tell him that Ben wanted to die in Crawford during the attic conversation. He'll even say "I'm glad it was you making that choice, and not me." Less than a day after realizing Ben killed his entire family, he forgives him and says that he's glad Ben didn't die. He even gives his life trying to save Ben, and when he realizes that he can't, he elects to use the one bullet he has left to painlessly mercy kill the kid who was responsible for his family's death. Which, in turn, results in his own death being drawn out and painful.

[thestalkinghead]

No surprise, you read whole story and all characters terribly wrong my friend.
You are hopeless. :)

well if kenny would do what would you make him do (bearing in mind that lilly isn't a saint) what would you have had him do?

[DrDeepthroat]

I actually don't have much issue with Kenny killing Larry. Personally I tried to help just to make absolutely sure he was dead while I still had time before smashing his face; Kenny didn't want to risk it. I don't think there was necessarily a right/wrong reaction in that situation.

Him leaving you to die twice right after that if you didn't help him kill Larry is ridiculous though.

[Nvzman]

I treated him very well before his family went to pieces. Then afterward I let him beat me up and never sided with him again.

[Kiel555]

misled in what way? he stated facts, like if you die you turn unless the brain is destroyed, larry was dead, he will turn unless his brain is destroyed therefore larry's brain needed to be destroyed

Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D

My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)

[Scaeva]

Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D

My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)

It does sometime work.

...when that person can be taken to the hospital after and be given proper treatment, which sometimes includes surgery.

Larry had a massive heart attack. He wasn't going to survive no matter what you did for him, because he was locked in a meat locker in a world in which there were no longer any hospitals.

[Rock114]

Whoa there Rambo, cool your jets! Maybe you wouldn't mind having a salt lick dropped on your head when you're "close enough" to being dead but that's not okay with everyone.:D

My vote is for CPR because I hear that "sometimes" it works.:)

Of course I wouldn't mind someone dropping a salt-lick on my head if I'm about to become a walker. I would never want to be a zombie OR kill and eat all of my friends and turn THEM into zombies too. If you wanna turn into a zombie, by all means. Just don't do it around me man, I prefer to survive the apocalypse :)

[Kiel555]

It does sometime work.

...when that person can be taken to the hospital after and be given proper treatment, which sometimes includes surgery.

Larry had a massive heart attack. He wasn't going to survive no matter what you did for him, because he was locked in a meat locker in a world in which there were no longer any hospitals.

I can see your point if there is no possibility of meeting a doctor, with medical supplies, or equipment.... even in Savannah.

Of course I wouldn't mind someone dropping a salt-lick on my head if I'm about to become a walker. I would never want to be a zombie OR kill and eat all of my friends and turn THEM into zombies too. If you wanna turn into a zombie, by all means. Just don't do it around me man, I prefer to survive the apocalypse :)

Don't be so dramatic Rock. No one is going to let you turn into a walker that's a promise!:D First, we try amputation.......

[Galdis]

I sided with Kenny for the first episode because Lilly and Larry rubbed me the very wrong way. By the end of Episode 2, I realized I got really poor rolls in the zombie apocalypse - I was stuck with fairly ignorant and intransigent people. Kenny and (obviously) Lilly screwed me over in Episode 3 a few times, and I felt bad for Kenny in Episode 4, but when he went off on how I was never there for him I told him to fuck off and for the entirety of Episode 5 I was very flippant towards him. By the end, I was just disgusted by his pointless suicide and killing of Ben.

At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.

[Rock114]

Don't be so dramatic Rock. No one is going to let you turn into a walker that's a promise!:D First, we try amputation.......

Amputation?! What if the bite is on my neck?! What will you amputate then? And why do I get the feeling that you'd get some form of joy from slowly hacking off a piece of my body...

It's because you can't jump, isn't it. I hope I don't get bitten on my leg.

[KennyTWD]

*sees title* Okay, let's do this. *sunglasses* Hi guys, I'm Kenny. Remember meeeeeeeee?

[Kiel555]

Amputation?! What if the bite is on my neck?! What will you amputate then? And why do I get the feeling that you'd get some form of joy from slowly hacking off a piece of my body...

It's because you can't jump, isn't it. I hope I don't get bitten on my leg.

Again with the jumping? We all made it to the boat right? well....except for Hanson...he sure flew far didn't he?

You worry too much...just don't get bit okay.:)

[YamiRaziel]

Rock, I promise you that we will only drop a salt lick on you if you're being eaten alive!
We should play soon, I miss it!

[Wrighty]

I sided with Kenny for the first episode because Lilly and Larry rubbed me the very wrong way. By the end of Episode 2, I realized I got really poor rolls in the zombie apocalypse - I was stuck with fairly ignorant and intransigent people. Kenny and (obviously) Lilly screwed me over in Episode 3 a few times, and I felt bad for Kenny in Episode 4, but when he went off on how I was never there for him I told him to fuck off and for the entirety of Episode 5 I was very flippant towards him. By the end, I was just disgusted by his pointless suicide and killing of Ben.

At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.

Throughout the game, Ben got around 4 different people killed, left Clem for dead and told Kenny what he did at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME. But it's okay because he managed not to fuck up in the final episode.

Meanwhile Kenny manages to find the will not to blow Bens brains out for wrecking his family and even manages to forgive the kid and mercy kills him. He doesn't do any more or less than Ben, but you still call him a "mule"

[Rock114]

Rock, I promise you that we will only drop a salt lick on you if you're being eaten alive

Or you could just...you know...SHOOT me...

[Mornai]

At least Ben did redeem himself. He managed to be cool and not make any real mistakes. Kenny was just a damn mule the whole time.

I'm sorry, but no. That's really all that needs to be said here. No.

In the new dictionaries written after(or during) the zombie apocalypse, you will find Ben's picture next to the word "mistake".

He was a good dude, but he was also a bonehead.

[Mark$man]

I'm sorry, but no. That's really all that needs to be said here. No.

In the new dictionaries written after(or during) the zombie apocalypse, you will find Ben's picture next to the word "mistake".

He was a good dude, but he was also a bonehead.

Haha I agree, I liked the kid, but he was a fuckup. And Kenny always had my back when I needed it, and he never almost got Clem killed or killed any of the characters on accident, and it is debatable whether he killed an alive Larry, dead Larry, or undead Larry. So he's pretty clean to me. My favorite character besides Clem and Lee

[amigosolitario]

Puede ser, él no es un héroe sacarlo nuevamente sería un poco, falta de creatividad por parte del grupo de telltale games no crees.

[anonymau5]

Puede ser, él no es un héroe sacarlo nuevamente sería un poco, falta de creatividad por parte del grupo de telltale games no crees.

"May be, he is not a hero would be a bit out again, lack of creativity by the group not think Telltale Games."

[AnnaSan]

During the killing Larry scene, they could've gave us a choice of knocking down Kenny while he's getting a salt lick. Pretty sure Lee could do that since he's buffer than Kenny, and we could've tried to save Larry. Although, Kenny only did what he did to protect them.

[seniorgato]

End of Chapter 4, the lazy bastard refuses to search for Clementine after siding with Kenny every freaking step of the way that was... not insane. I wish the option came up to shoot him in the face.

[Mornai]

During the killing Larry scene, they could've gave us a choice of knocking down Kenny while he's getting a salt lick. Pretty sure Lee could do that since he's buffer than Kenny, and we could've tried to save Larry. Although, Kenny only did what he did to protect them.

I think it's meant to be a surprise. You've been with him for three months now and he hasn't done anything this bad yet, so Lee doesn't expect him to toss a salt-lick down while you're trying CPR. The camera angle showing Kenny looking at the salt licks was not from Lee's point of view, it was just aesthetics.

[deadk1ng]

Bravo Tell Tale...if ever anyone desearves the coveted "Bad Ass" award, it is you guys. After countless playthroughs, pro-kenny, con-kenny, mute jackass, and uncountable variations and mixtures of those I have come to a single, undeniable conclusion...FUCK KENNY!!! :D

[Kiel555]

Bravo Tell Tale...if ever anyone desearves the coveted "Bad Ass" award, it is you guys. After countless playthroughs, pro-kenny, con-kenny, mute jackass, and uncountable variations and mixtures of those I have come to a single, undeniable conclusion...FUCK KENNY!!! :D

Well said! I couldn't agree more!:D

I only have one playthrough of the game but came to same conclusion as you about Kenny.

Thanks for creating my favorite thread too!

[Wrighty]

Gotta admit though, he was one of TellTale's greatest characters. Like him or not, he both created a huge amount of debate and split the fanbase. This thread is an example of that, being one of the biggest ones on the forum. While Lee and Clem are relatively
2D, Kenny adds a welcome shade of grey and realism to the characters.

(Although the evidence does show that he is awesome and only does what is needed)

:P

[Mikejames]

Gotta admit though, he was one of TellTale's greatest characters. Like him or not, he both created a huge amount of debate and split the fanbase. This thread is an example of that, being one of the biggest ones on the forum. While Lee and Clem are relatively
2D, Kenny adds a welcome shade of grey and realism to the characters.
Kenny may have his own level of depth, but I don't think that being less divisive makes Lee and Clementine less dimensional. Everyone in the story faced grey morality in some form or another.

(Although the evidence does show that he is awesome and only does what is needed)
Very debatable...

[Bioshock Infinite WD]

If it was not debatable then this thread would not be 66 pages long, only 600 pages to go.

[Xarne]

lol , my god I remember this thread from last year when the game launched- I guess that shows the power of good character creation that we're still at war over him even after he went MIA (most likely KIA)

[Foinikas]

It's probably the most annoying thing in the game,the fact that you either have to help him kill Larry or try to save Larry and have Kenny nag at you and run away for the rest of the game.

[Shrewsbury Survivor]

I wish they did not write it that if you dont kill Larry he hates you. I did everything, stick up for Duck, save him from the tractor and gave him food BUT apparently 'I was never there for Duck' and have been a 'sh*** friend'. There have been plenty of times I aint... Kennys a dick after Ep 2.

[Mornai]

I must be the only one who liked that. Perhaps they should have worded it differently(less "you were never there" and more "you were never there when it mattered most"), but i think having a character who can so easily turn on you because of one decision spices up the story a little.

I know firsthand that there are people out there who will hold a grudge over one thing for years, and with Kenny i think it fits him to abandon you because of that, especially with the way he interprets it.

I think it would be best if he didn't forget about all the times you did side with him, but still held contempt for you because of the meat-locker. Kind of like how he reacts if you kill Larry but then go against him. At the end of episode 4 he'll say something like "i know you think we may have been on the same page lately, but...", and it would have been nice if it worked the same way with opposite sides.

Killing Larry should put you high on Kenny's friendship list, but you can still muck it up and lose his assistance. Likewise, trying to save Larry should drop you fairly low, but you can still be decent friends if you continue siding with him afterward. Neither would be able to reach the extremes of their side(Kenny's BFF/worst enemy), but there should be an in between.

That would be nice....here's hoping for Season 2!

[TeamKennyAlways]

Since I'm a Kenny Supporter I should probably leave before I accidentally start a huge argument that goes on for days. But before I go I want to say that even though I like Kenny's character I understand what your saying Kenny either loves you in a bro sought of way or down right hates you presenting him as unlike able. Since I killed Larry and backed up Kenny all the time I have never seen his hatred towards me so I don't know what it's like. But I do think that Kenny was wrong when he jumped to conclusions and dropped the salt lick on Larry's head when Lee could have saved him. Anyway I'm out of here before I'm ganged up on by Lilly supporters like hungry walkers or something. Joking. I won't be back to argue or anything because I don't want to start an argument so I'm not some douche bag who puts random stuff and rubbish accuses because I agree with you it's just that me and Kenny are bros.

[Bioshock Infinite WD]

This not my thread as I am bro's with Kenny also, but I will say he was judgmental and was not always the nicest person, but hay at least he did not murder a good friend, he just possibly murdered a asshole .

[YamiRaziel]

Well said! I couldn't agree more!:D

I only have one playthrough of the game but came to same conclusion as you about Kenny.

Thanks for creating my favorite thread too!

My favourite thread too! Thanks :)