In your first playthrough did you...

[Sisterofshane]

...both chop off the teacher's leg, and side with Lilly in the meat locker? What were the exact circumstances behind each dilemma that you faced?

For an example, I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I didn't immediately chop off the teacher's leg. I first tried to hit the chain with the axe, and after that failed to do ANY visible damage, I then tried to pry open the trap by force. It was at this point Kenny said "Do something now or ..." (and I honestly don't remember EVERYTHING he said, because of the heat of the moment). At this point, I decided to chop off his leg. Three hits, leg was off, and I escaped with the teacher.

Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny, for a multitude of reasons that would take TOO long to put here, but the least of which being that I felt that it was impossible to save Larry's life, and that every second exponentially increased the risk of him turning into a walker with us still trapped in the meat locker. Even then, I waited 'til the last possible second to finally click on Kenny.

I'm not going to include a poll, because I feel that is impossible to accurately capture EVERYONE'S specific reasoning behind their choices (not without using up the 50 option limit, anyway). With that said, please feel free to say WHY you did what you did, in both situations! I'm hoping to glean some insight on how morally consistent people are, and I think that these two situations are the closest I can get in game for comparison!

Also, please try to keep disagreements to a minimum - there are plenty of other threads in which already exist to argue about the finer parts of morality in the Walking Dead setting - all of which I would recommend if you are looking for a good time (or argument :D)! I'm really looking for more a statistical view of people, as opposed to WHY someone is right or wrong.

EDIT: Part 2, for those who chopped off the leg - did it occur to you that the teacher may die from blood loss later? Did it matter to you that he might have been dead either way?

Part 3 - What was your honest assessment at Larry's chance at life? If you had to give a percentage as to how sure you were that he could be revived, what would it be? Did that influence your decision to side with Lilly or not?

Part 4 - How many of you also gave Irene the gun in episode one? Explain why you did or did not allow her to kill herself.

[Zeruis]

I did cut off the band teacher's leg, and I sided with Lilly in the meat locker. No matter how idiotic Larry was, I couldn't leave him to die and leave Lilly devastated. Before the meat locker, I always sided with Kenny.

[Sisterofshane]

I did cut off the band teacher's leg, and I sided with Lilly in the meat locker. No matter how idiotic Larry was, I couldn't leave him to die and leave Lilly devastated. Before the meat locker, I always sided with Kenny.

How long before you cut off the leg? Was it an immediate decision, or did you try to find other options, first?

[Zeruis]

How long before you cut off the leg? Was it an immediate decision, or did you try to find other options, first?

For me, I just rammed the axe on it immediately. I knew there was no other way for him to get out.

[magzhi]

I tried to chop down the tree instead of cutting his leg... Well poor guy, if I had a choice I would shot him in the head so he wouldn't suffer from zombies.

[Sisterofshane]

I tried to chop down the tree instead of cutting his leg... Well poor guy, if I had a choice I would shot him in the head so he wouldn't suffer from zombies.

So you left him to die? And did you side with Lilly or Kenny in the meat locker?

[Cornson]

I tried all I could to get the teacher free, but when I realized it was chopping the leg of or leave him behind so he could be mawled by the approaching zombie horde, I felt like I had no other option than chopping the leg off, to give the poor guy a fighting chance...

In the meat locker I sided with Kenny, there is no way your coming back from a heart attack, well that is actually wrong sins you would turn and become a zombie!

you need a defibrillator to even have a remote chance to save a guy that died from a hearth attack (which is what Larry did! he died!)

and had Kenny not salt licked Larry I would have done it myself. Kenny was absolutely right in a few minutes we would have had an undead Larry in the meat locker with us.

[Planeforger]

I left the teacher to die, but only because I ran out of time testing out the other options. I was about a swing away from having his whole leg off.

And I sided with Lilly. It may not have been the best tactical decision at the time, but reviving Larry would have meant having an extra pair of hands around when fighting off the brothers.

[MakersWax]

I went to hacking the gym teacher's leg off straight away. When Mark mentioned there was no release hatch, that was my first instinct so I didn't examine any of the alternatives. I did not even realize the bear trap was also attached to the chain and tree. Once I started chopping I didn't consider stopping. The gym teacher wasn't anyone I knew and I figured we needed to get out of there.

I sided with Lilly because I had started to like Larry. I figured we would finally see eye to eye after I had fed him, given him the ax at the motel, and didn't let him eat the meat. He had the heart problem in episode 1 and came out no worse for wear and I thought the same would happen in the locker. When Kenny dropped the bomb I was shocked.

[magzhi]

I left him to die.

I also sided with Lilly because no one should be given up.

[Sisterofshane]

So to recap, (and also to give my thread a shameless, but not pointless bump!) we have four people who cut off the teacher's leg, and sided with Lilly in the meat locker.

Only two people cut off the leg AND sided with Kenny.

And one person did NOT try to cut off the leg, and sided with Lilly.

Out of the six people who cut off the leg, only one person was unsuccessful due to delaying too long to make the decision. Two have admitted to cutting the leg off right away.

But, seriously people, I wouldn't call six people a good sample size. Come forth one and all with your answers! It's for science! Think of Cave Johnson! (I'm looking at you, the + sixty people who looked at the thread and didn't respond!)

[Kaapo]

On my first playthrough I chopped off the leg and sided with Kenny in the meat locker.

I cut the leg off immediately since I was certain it was the only way. I don't really see why we weren't given the option to cut down the tree though; then Lee, Kenny and Mark could just have carried the teacher, the trap and the chain into the camp. I'm sure they'd have found use for the chain in the fortification process as well.

As to the meatlocker, I don't know how other people manage to bring up any positive feelings towards Lilly whatsoever. To me she's just completely unlikable and whiney, and the few times she's "showing her soft side" or being nice just seem utterly artificial, which caused me to discard them from my general view on her entirely. Occasionally I found her even worse than her dad.
So yeah, I helped Kenny because I'm willing to do whatever it takes to piss Lilly off and, hopefully, speed up the ETA of her leaving the group. Apart from this I've so far always preferred Kenny's views on things, and in the meat locker he was making a lot more sense than Lilly as well.

[greenj2]

I tried every possible alternative to cutting off the band teacher's leg, even took a few chops at the tree the chain was wrapped around. Mark saw me and said "What are you doing? Are you crazy, man?!". :D In the end I ran out of time and had to leave him behind.

In the meat locker I sided with Lilly, didn't have the heart to kill her old man while she was begging me to help save him. My gut feeling was, there's a line to be drawn in killing the dead to protect the living. Once you start to blur it, pre-emptively killing a man you aren't sure is dead, it seems like a slippery slope.

Funny thing is though, after Larry tried to kill me back in the drug store, I made a mental note that first chance I got, I'd take him out. It just didn't pan out that way.

[PuhChewyChomp]

I chopped his leg off. Don't remember if I really tried anything else first or just went straight for it. Sided with Lilly, don't know why. I knew Kenny was right. Probably because it's just a game and I don't think I'd ever done a nice thing for her before that.

[YamiRaziel]

First of all I must say that I play with selectables turned off. I tried to open the bear trap than I hit the chain with the axe but finally I chopped his leg off. I didn't even know I can hit the tree :D I think you can hit the chain with a stone as well. However it feels like cheating when you know where to click.
In the meat locker I sided with Lilly because that was the human thing to do. I've always followed the logic of saving kids and women first. Lilly needed me and I helped without hesitating. I don't regret that choice at all.
I must point out that before that I'd sided with Kenny most of the times although I stayed neutral when he was quarreling with Lilly. I wanted to keep the group stable. Despite my efforts he destroyed it because of his egocentrism and then he betrayed me. After saving and feeding his kid twice.
Also, I need to point out that through the entire episode 2 I was trying and hoping to get along with Lilly and Larry. Although I failed, mainly because I told Mark that Larry thinks I'm dangerous and he told him, I managed to see Lilly's good side.
Then after Kenny betrayed me I felt really bad for Lilly. I've been against her in order to support Kenny and he just left me for dead. So I felt I've been really mean to her and unlike Kenny, she doesn't deserve that. So I deleted all my saves and started from the beginning, remaking all good and bad choices but this time treating Kenny as he deserved. :) That's when I truly realized that Kenny seems like the right choice, but it is actually the easy choice. Lilly and Larry look bad but they've been doing tough choices from the very beginning and I respect both of them for that.

[Saxin]

I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I immediately chopped off the teacher's leg because it felt inhumane to just leave him there to die by the zombies.. And I couldn't bare to shoot him (I think that was possible? :confused: ) So I chopped it off fast since there was no time and that chain wouldn't have broke from a axe since it didn't look rusty.

Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny because I didn't want a big .... huge zombie eating us all so I pulled Lilly away and well... Kenny dropped the saltlick on him and well.. I don't think Lilly belongs to the group and even tho Kenny changed I like him. :rolleyes:

[Kaapo]

I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I immediately chopped off the teacher's leg because it felt inhumane to just leave him there to die by the zombies.. And I couldn't bare to shoot him (I think that was possible? :confused: )

Pretty sure that wasn't a choice. You can either leave him to be mauled by the walkers or chop his leg off and have him turn into a walker later on (if you leave him in the woods you'll kill Travis instead and have him turn into a walker, so the decision doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the following events)

[phoray]

My first play I attempted to get the trap open by force, whacked the chain twice, and realized it wasn't even looked marred from my actions. Life experience told me that trying to hit a hard thing with the backing of dirt was a waste of time; it'll just get stuck in the dirt, not actually break. So, off his leg went.

I thought it was pretty stupid of the teen who got sick to wander off and place his back to zombies considering we all had commented on their approach in a "hurry up and get out of here" kind of way. I'm glad he died; stupid and full of himself with his "my father is special forces" blah blah blah.

And when it came to the Meat Locker? I sided with Kenny. Afterwards, I felt sick at all that transpired because of that choice. I regretted it. At the same time, I would honestly make the decision again. It was a hard choice, it was the correct choice for survival with the information I had. And there was the potential I murdered someone with a chance for life. That choice will linger. It will haunt me (Lee). And it should haunt him/me. It'll also haunt Kenny and he was 100% behind it. Kenny will always hate himself. He even keeps looking to Katjaa to see if she still loves what he's becoming. (After the Duck/Shawn choice, her look causes him to offer a ride to Macon. Also, in the store after he talks to you about the choice, there is a long glance between he and her. She knows what he's wrestling with and he is relieved to know she hasn't turned her back on him or judged him for his choices.)

The rationalization and consolation he seeks from Lee for his decisions will always just be something that keeps him from putting a bullet in his own brain (second to a living family.) In a world where the apocalypse ended and normalcy returned, I can see Kenny becoming either a drunk or killing himself because his family is safe. I honestly do.

[YamiRaziel]

Hm.. ,phoray, that's an interesting thought. Haven't considered the idea that Kenny might commit suicide... No... shut up... you will make me feel sorry for him and he doesn't deserve my pity.

"Think about Lilly... think about Lilly..."

[Aidan_1_]

lily's a bitch her voice annoys me she looks like she going insane in my flash of episode 3
i sided with kenny on everything btw

[phoray]

Hm.. ,phoray, that's an interesting thought. Haven't considered the idea that Kenny might commit suicide... No... shut up... you will make me feel sorry for him and he doesn't deserve my pity.

"Think about Lilly... think about Lilly..."

He also sincerely apologizes to Lilly for what he "is about to do" so to speak. Some people would say sorry isn't enough, and it won't be to her. But he apologized before, not after, and his tone of voice was very sincere to me. And the look on his face after he does it, he seems to be shocked even at himself from his own actions. HE says/does these things whether your side with him or not. There's an inner battle in him, there, that is raging just as much in him as ourselves/Lee. He's far more complex a character than Lilly, although emotionally, I totally get her thoughts processes about the decision and for leaving me to die afterward on the fence. I wish the next episode would take that into account. Larry, apparently, never rethinks his humanity after that, totally rationalizing it and unapologetic. In epi 3, She should be shocked at her own feelings about leaving him to die if she were a complex enough character. Unfortunately, following this forum has told me about the show/comic book series and I worry she'll be going poof soon.

[Sisterofshane]

lily's a bitch her voice annoys me she looks like she going insane in my flash of episode 3
i sided with kenny on everything btw

Did you also chop off the teacher's leg? If you tried, were you successful in saving him? Did you hesitate before choosing to cut his leg off?

[dauw]

I understood right away that the either the leg had to go or he had to be left to his fate, but nevertheless I explored other options.. before eventually giving him the chop. Figured it would be preferable to grisly death by walkers.

I also sided with Lily because I'm not about to let somebody get killed because he might be lost anyway. That's not how I roll.

[Sisterofshane]

Thanks to everyone who contributed so far! Remember if you are going to post, I want three specific things:

-Did you try to cut off the teacher's leg? (regardless of if you were successful or not!)

-Did you end up saving the teacher, or did fiddling around mean you left the teacher to die?

-Did you side with Lilly, or with Kenny in the meat locker?

There will be a part two for people who did cut off the teacher's leg, but not until I leave enough time for everyone to get a chance to answer part one. Tell your friends!

[Gennadios]

Sided with lily and opted to cut off the teacher's leg. Planning to stick with those choices for most of my playthroughs, I keep the alternate save slots for situations where where the option that's "right" for me isn't immediately visible, such as the Saving Doug/Carley portion.

If there was a way to mercy kill the teacher I'd try that option out over simply running away, but the alternative simply didn't appeal to me.

[Master of Aeons]

I hacked the teacher's leg off right away. No release? No choice.

When in the meat locker, I knew what was going down, but knew that Lily needed me on her side. I wanted to pull Kenny aside later and say "Thank god, man. I didn't want to do that."

[Sisterofshane]

I hacked the teacher's leg off right away. No release? No choice.

When in the meat locker, I knew what was going down, but knew that Lily needed me on her side. I wanted to pull Kenny aside later and say "Thank god, man. I didn't want to do that."

Interesting- you thought that killing Larry was the right thing to do, but didn't want to be the one to take the fall? Or you were expecting that you would save Larry's life and that you would then be relieved that NO ONE had to kill him?

[FarmerJoe]

First playthrough:
Tried everything to get the teacher out and even tried to cut the tree down!
then moved on to cut his leg off and ran out of time before the final cut, poor guy! at least his suffering didn't last long......

Sided with Kenny in the meat locker, felt so wrong forcibly holding back a pleading woman who was only trying to save her father and then choosing the "I know you hate Kenny" option with Lilly only added to my guilt.
Lilly: "Kenny has his family and you have Clementine. I've got nothing now. You've left me with nothing" sorry Lilly.....

I'm with Lilly in all my other playthroughs now. By choosing to side and be civil to her she is much more pleasant and thus I've come to understand her and Larry better than I did, causing me to respect and like her more than I did in episode 1.

[Aexra]

Chopped of the teachers leg, sided up with Kenny.
When outside fighting one of the brothers Lilly just stood there with her gun doing nothing.
I was like, yeah well I deserved that. Still hate her for it hough.
I hope she leaves in ep.3 And if I get in a situation where I need to save her life I wont. Ha take that you B....!

[Kiel555]

Thanks to everyone who contributed so far! Remember if you are going to post, I want three specific things:

-Did you try to cut off the teacher's leg? (regardless of if you were successful or not!)

-Did you end up saving the teacher, or did fiddling around mean you left the teacher to die?

-Did you side with Lilly, or with Kenny in the meat locker?

There will be a part two for people who did cut off the teacher's leg, but not until I leave enough time for everyone to get a chance to answer part one. Tell your friends!

I tried. I got in one good hit before time ran out. That was rough.

Too much fiddling around. Tried the chain, then the trap. Then the leg. Hit the leg once then had to fall back. Teacher got eaten by walkers. Damn.

Sided with Lilly. It was a moment of weakness. I had every intention of killing Larry at my first opportunity but after talking with Lilly by the gazebo I began to understand why Larry is the way he is (was). Hesitated, tried CPR, thought I could kill him later...thanks Kenny.

On the up side, that was a cool scene with Larry's blood all over Lilly, she has her weapon at the ready, in a patrol mode when the group is walking back to the motel. She looks like a T2000 hunting for humans.

[PeopleSandwich]

I cut off the teacher's leg. Tried to pry open the trap and to chop the chain but in the end I went for the leg while there was still some distance between us and the walkers.

I sided with Kenny in the meat locker. In hindsight I would try to save Larry, but at the time I didn't know if he would reanimate and attack Clem. In a real life situation where there is no "game over" and "retry" I would have figured him as good as dead and too dangerous to hope for the best.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Wasted way too much time in trying to free the teacher from the bear trap before finally trying to cut the teacher's leg off. I was one chop away from freeing him before we had to retreat.

In the meat locker, I hated Larry but I still side with Lilly. A daughter is pleading to me for the life of her father and I can't ignore it.

[Augurk]

Tried hitting the chain first, but saw it didn't do a thing after the second swing. Then, though shocked at my own actions, i took off his leg in a desperate attempt to keep the guy alive.

In the meatlocker I sided with Lilly, as I wasn't utterly convinced Larry couldn't be saved. "Killing" a man you don't know for sure is dead is crossing the line for me. I even thought "hey, those salt licks are probably here for this reason" and figured that maybe a large chunk of salt forced down larry's throat might have the same effect as a shot of adrenaline and make his heart start pumping again (yes everyone, be happy I didn't study medicine). I was wrong, even though the salt licks were there for that scene alright...

[Master of Aeons]

Interesting- you thought that killing Larry was the right thing to do, but didn't want to be the one to take the fall? Or you were expecting that you would save Larry's life and that you would then be relieved that NO ONE had to kill him?

The first. I knew Kenny would do the dirty job and I could still look good. I never thought it'd turn Kenny into what he ended up being though. Yeek.

[KeijoKala]

I tried every other option except for the chain, which I didn't notice, before cutting his leg off. But, I did anyway.

I sided with Kenny in the meat locker, just because of what happened back at the Motor Inn, with the teacher becoming a zombie pretty fast. (There was only a 30-40 second period between Katjaa telling Kenny and Lee that the teacher's dead, and him attacking her.)

[Ninnuendo]

I tried the chain and chopping through the tree, then I left him to die, knowing that the group couldn't feed another person, let alone someone injured. I would have left Ben to die too if I could, thankfully the other kid was good enough to shoot himself.
As for Larry, I'd softened on him by the time he collapsed and was firmly in Team Lilly so didn't hesitate to help. I was furious at Kenny seeing as Larry was just waking up when he got his head smashed in.

[Sisterofshane]

Time for some results? Yes, I think it's time for some! :)

Out of twenty-two (22) people, nineteen (19) at least attempted to cut off the teacher's leg. Fifteen (15) were successful, and four (4) ran out of time (yikes!).

Only three (3) people didn't attempt to chop off the leg.

Kenny ended up with eight (8) supporters in the meat locker.

Lilly had fourteen (14) supporters in the meat locker.

Every single person who sided with Kenny in the meat locker decided to cut off the teacher's leg. Only one (1) person from this subset failed to chop through the entire leg.

Out of the group that sided with Lilly, sixpeople ended up leaving the teacher to die ( three [3] attempting to cut off the leg but failing). Eight managed to rescue the teacher.

There. Hardly enough people to draw conclusions from, but seeing as how we've had 900 people look at this thread and only 22 full responses (:mad:), I think it's time to move on to part two:

To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)

New posters feel free to answer the previous questions in addition to this one! (And there are about 800 Lurkers out there, this is a perfect thread to break the ice!).

[Kiel555]

To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)

New posters feel free to answer the previous questions in addition to this one! (And there are about 800 Lurkers out there, this is a perfect thread to break the ice!).

Dave was going to die by walker for sure. It looked like he had tourniquet installed (yeah it was installed wrong and was not going to do anything but maybe it was a magic tourniquet) on his leg so maybe he would not bleed out before we got him back to Kat at home base and would live. That was the plan anyways...but things kinda went awry.

[Zeruis]

Time for some results? Yes, I think it's time for some! :)

Out of twenty-two (22) people, nineteen (19) at least attempted to cut off the teacher's leg. Fifteen (15) were successful, and four (4) ran out of time (yikes!).

Only three (3) people didn't attempt to chop off the leg.

Kenny ended up with eight (8) supporters in the meat locker.

Lilly had fourteen (14) supporters in the meat locker.

Every single person who sided with Kenny in the meat locker decided to cut off the teacher's leg. Only one (1) person from this subset failed to chop through the entire leg.

Out of the group that sided with Lilly, sixpeople ended up leaving the teacher to die ( three [3] attempting to cut off the leg but failing). Eight managed to rescue the teacher.

There. Hardly enough people to draw conclusions from, but seeing as how we've had 900 people look at this thread and only 22 full responses (:mad:), I think it's time to move on to part two:

To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)

New posters feel free to answer the previous questions in addition to this one! (And there are about 800 Lurkers out there, this is a perfect thread to break the ice!).

I wasn't worried about that at the time. What mattered the most was getting him away from the walkers.

[Milosuperspesh]

ran out of time mean you get someone else on the truck bed...

i shot the bird, chopped the leg, remained neutral, gave axe to mark, sided with lilly, told the cold hard truth about the meal, picked sythe, spared the brothers. looted the car and justified it to clem.

am i bad ?

[zimka]

i chopped off the leg right away - the guy was screaming and attracting zombies , and his leg was already ruined anyway. but really and most importantly, we are in a zombie apocalypse, and let's face it, quick decision making is what will keep you alive in the long run.

did i think he might die from losing blood? sure, why not? i actually thought he might die on the spot from the shock of me chopping his leg in three goes. that was brutal. but none of that mattered - the group did not know at the time that everyone is infected, and it does not spread exclusively through bites.

in the meat locker i sided with Kenny. i always have through the two episodes, as i understand his motivations. he was absolutely right at that moment. his wife and son were held hostage by a family of cannibals, while a huge unlikable dude was about to become a zombie. quick decision-making in a zombie apocalypse, remember?

say it was Clem or even Lilly who had a heart attack - fine, we could wait and see if they turn eventually - three unarmed men in the room could probably handle a zombie kid or a chick. but Larry? are you kidding me? there's no way a father and a father-figure (and Lee is certainly that to Clem) could risk a chance like that.

[Milosuperspesh]

mark almost hammered the point home earlier in ep2 about larry being 300 pounds of muscle /piledriver so imo it was pretty obvious even with out being spoiled that larry was going to 'die'

question: is it possible for larry to actually turn and attack you in that scene ?

[dubesor]

I tried everything else before chopping off his leg. Hitting the trap, the chains, even tried to chop tree lol. Decided it was better to have him amputated rather than dieing by the zombies.

In the meat locker I immediately choose kennys side because I wanted Larry gone for a looooong time anyway and feared if I chose helping Lilly might make Larry survive lol. I never feared him turning into a zombie, that was no reason for me. After my first playthrough I always side with Lilly because Larry will die either way (yay) and Kenny turns out to be an asshole.

[JPG619]

In one of my Doug saves I chopped off the leg and sided with Kenny.
In my other Doug save and my Carly save I chopped off the leg and sided with Lilly

[jaybreezy]

I didn't try to open the trap because Mark said it was rigged so there was no way to open it. I tried hitting the chain a couple times and then went at the leg and got him out.

I sided with Kenny in the meat locker because he was right. We couldn't take the chance in Larry turning and us being trapped in there with him. I'm looking out for the group (especially Clem) and if it means killing someone to keep us safe, then so be it. Easy choice for me.

[PeopleSandwich]

I previously answered chopped off leg and sided with Kenny.

It did occur to me he could die of blood loss from the amputated leg, however the trap was not coming off and the walkers were closing. Even if he had a 20% chance of surviving the amputation, he had a 0% chance of fighting off 10 walkers unarmed in a bear trap so at least chopping off his leg gave him a chance of life.

[ozzmann]

I left the teacher in the woods, I know this seems cold but he was done for anyway and I knew if we did save him he would be another liability in the group.( And I didnt want to chop his leg off LOL, that's just nasty!)
However If there woulda been an option to shoot him b4 we left I would have.:D

[ZombieReefer]

I tried to free the teacher, but found that was not going to happen. So I just left him there, :eek: but not by my choice. If I was in that situation I would have put a bullet in his head because that's what I would want if it was me. Too bad we didn't have that option.

I sided with Lily in the meat locker because she was there. Just seemed to cruel to murder her father right in front of her. Now if she wasn't in there with us I would have sided with Kenny and crushed his skull in and told her later that he turned before we whacked him. :D

[thestalkinghead]

i chopped the leg straight away, mark(i think) said the trap was modified and would take ages to take off plus i noticed straight away that it had a massive chain wrapped around a tree i figured it was the quickest way to save everybody( i wanted to help but didnt want to get anybody killed) and his leg was coming off anyway (no hospital + beartraps are brutal) i didnt think it would take more than one swing but still it was quick.

i picked up the salt block and smashed larrys skull, because he was dead, we had been told we were all infected, and from previous experience i knew lerry could knock me and kenny out in 1 punch and he would be more dangerous as a zombie, i had a quick think about resuscitation (never really thought about it before) and i wasn't willing to test my theory that you may change the instant you die it just takes a while for you to get up, so it was to risky, and i thought i might have to kill or let them die if they knew my past (not Clementine but carly was gone) so it worked out.

[Lars80]

-Did you try to cut off the teacher's leg? (regardless of if you were successful or not!)

-Did you end up saving the teacher, or did fiddling around mean you left the teacher to die?

-Did you side with Lilly, or with Kenny in the meat locker?

First playthrough i didnt try anything else, didnt see other options. So ya, i saved him.

I sided with Lilly. I always try to play this game and make choices based on how i would have made them if i was there personally.
So this is a telltale game, and they dont know enough anatomy, medicine and so on. So i guess anything is possible.
But when Larry dropped from that heart attack, and he stopped breathing so fast (and no pulse?) he was gone. We are talking big shit heart attack.
Even if you had 4 paramedics and a doctor there to handle medications he would maybe at best have a 5% chanse of survival.
And in this situation we had no defibrillator that is always required to restart a heart.
So what do you do? The safest thing would obviously be to bash his head in.
Lilly knows as little anatomy/medicine as telltale do, and she is doing cpr wrong...
So my decision is not about Larry at all.
Even when you know its over, the only right thing to do in such a situation is to "try" and give Lilly time to understand that this is over.
For those of you who dont get it, look up the word "empathy".
You keep trying to give the familly and friends left behind time to understand that you tried, you did everything you could, but it wasnt possible to bring him or her back.
I liked this scene in the game. Allthought telltale could have done some basic research.

So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.

[ozzmann]

Sorry if this has been asked b4 but @ the beginning of EP1 after you shoot the cop. Is the person you yell out to for help Clem? It sure looks like her.:D

[thestalkinghead]

Sorry if this has been asked b4 but @ the beginning of EP1 after you shoot the cop. Is the person you yell out to for help Clem? It sure looks like her.:D

yeah its her i think, unless its her twin sister

[Tymes Rhymes]

Yeah, my first playthrough of episode two, I chopped off the teacher's leg immediately. Mark had said that the trap had been altered and no release latch was present.

I sided with Kenny in the Meat locker. I was worried if "Asshole Larry" came back as a Zombie that a hulking 6'4" muscle zombie would hurt Clem or something but I also thought about our own needs. Kenny wasn't happy with me in my playthrough and I needed to get on his RV.

If it was anyone else, I may have waited to see if they turned or if they were alive but Asshole Larry's size was a huge factor!.

I have a few parts of my playthrough on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-poOnvHcE (Ep 2. Part 1)

[Sisterofshane]

I left the teacher in the woods, I know this seems cold but he was done for anyway and I knew if we did save him he would be another liability in the group.( And I didnt want to chop his leg off LOL, that's just nasty!)
However If there woulda been an option to shoot him b4 we left I would have.:D

So you figured that he was going to die no matter what, and left him there..ouch!

Also, who did you side with in the meat locker - Lilly or Kenny?

[Sisterofshane]

First playthrough i didnt try anything else, didnt see other options. So ya, i saved him.

I sided with Lilly. I always try to play this game and make choices based on how i would have made them if i was there personally.
So this is a telltale game, and they dont know enough anatomy, medicine and so on. So i guess anything is possible.
But when Larry dropped from that heart attack, and he stopped breathing so fast (and no pulse?) he was gone. We are talking big shit heart attack.
Even if you had 4 paramedics and a doctor there to handle medications he would maybe at best have a 5% chanse of survival.
And in this situation we had no defibrillator that is always required to restart a heart.
So what do you do? The safest thing would obviously be to bash his head in.
Lilly knows as little anatomy/medicine as telltale do, and she is doing cpr wrong...
So my decision is not about Larry at all.
Even when you know its over, the only right thing to do in such a situation is to "try" and give Lilly time to understand that this is over.
For those of you who dont get it, look up the word "empathy".
You keep trying to give the familly and friends left behind time to understand that you tried, you did everything you could, but it wasnt possible to bring him or her back.
I liked this scene in the game. Allthought telltale could have done some basic research.

So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.

The whole point of siding with Kenny is that there is no time to let Lilly grieve. A few more minutes of exhausting oneself attempting CPR would not have been enough time for Lilly to come to terms with her Father's death, but it certainly was enough time for Larry to turn into a walker and f*** up your s***. So I don't personally believe that the decision was whether you are capable of empathy or not. It was more of a pragmatic vs. idealist type scenario.

Back to the purpose of this thread, did you think that the teacher was going to die anyway?

[thestalkinghead]

The whole point of siding with Kenny is that there is no time to let Lilly grieve. A few more minutes of exhausting oneself attempting CPR would not have been enough time for Lilly to come to terms with her Father's death, but it certainly was enough time for Larry to turn into a walker and f*** up your s***. So I don't personally believe that the decision was whether you are capable of empathy or not. It was more of a pragmatic vs. idealist type scenario.

Back to the purpose of this thread, did you think that the teacher was going to die anyway?

i didnt think he would for sure, he already had a tourniquet on his leg, i knew he would loose his leg one way or another though(bear traps are bad and no surgeon or hospital), so chopping it of was the logical choice in the time frame we had

[Dee Jay]

I think I tried the chain first and then went for his leg, fairly sure it took me 3-4 turns before he was free. Easy choice to make having watched the tv series and that 'lovely' scene from the first Saw film. He might not survive afterwards but at least he still had a chance once you were away from the walkers.

I sided with Lily in the locker. I can't remember exactly what it was but I think Kenny had done something to annoy me by then so it made sense to try and appeal to Lily along with not looking evil in front of Clem.

[trillchalk]

I tried to hit the chain first, but I believe Mark said something about the chain resembling those used at the base at which he was stationed. I said eff that noise, and went to town on that teacher's leg with an axe. I want as many people as possible with me in the zombie apocalypse; your odds of survival are higher when there are many targets, and each new group member brings unique information/talents to the group. The teacher would have provided something for the group, even if that thing was merely the certainty of being eaten first. I succeeded in lopping his leg off, as I was quick to hit it when I felt as though the chain couldn't be broken. I think it was close, but I'm not too sure. It did occur to me that he might die from the blood loss, but I thought it was an acceptable risk. The dude reanimates and he's missing a leg, like, can't we just walk away from him?

I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.

It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?

[Q22_Zeppelin]

As someone who bought the game as soon as it came out, and has done a number of play throughs with friends I Love this Game!

I am completely emotionally invested in each an every one of these characters.

Thus In the stress-filled moments working at getting the teacher out I Didn't see not cutting off his leg as a choice. (Seriously, after the episode i saw the stats and was like "What!? We could have not cut off his leg!?)

Anyway, I've Put my personality into what Lee is becoming, and I simply could never EVER see myself letting another human being die like that...

I Let a friend of mine play the game at my house, and (I felt ridiculous after, but) Felt sick to my stomach, as he clicked as fast as he could to pull Lilly away from the most important thing in her entire life...

Obviously I myself tried to save Larry. And now I Know I'll cringe each time I play when I see at that last moment (and you can see this) that Larry begins to wake up, only to die right there...

[Sisterofshane]

Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.

Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.

As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.

Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:

What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D

[thestalkinghead]

Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.

Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.

As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.

Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:

What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D

that is very interesting, I'm a ruthless Kenny supporter lol, but empathy was involved, if i was the teacher and the people that could help me couldn't take the trap off and were going to leave at any moment, i would ask them to cut my leg off, and if i was a father in a locked room with my child, i would rather have my head smashed in than eat and kill my daughter, but maybe that's just me, and i'm ruthless.

[Demopan]

I tried to save the teacher by cutting the chain and messing with the trap. I got 2 cuts into his leg, but it was too late to save him. With the meat locker, I tried to save Larry, as I've always done my best to try and save lives, no matter what.

[Demopan]

I tried to hit the chain first, but I believe Mark said something about the chain resembling those used at the base at which he was stationed. I said eff that noise, and went to town on that teacher's leg with an axe. I want as many people as possible with me in the zombie apocalypse; your odds of survival are higher when there are many targets, and each new group member brings unique information/talents to the group. The teacher would have provided something for the group, even if that thing was merely the certainty of being eaten first. I succeeded in lopping his leg off, as I was quick to hit it when I felt as though the chain couldn't be broken. I think it was close, but I'm not too sure. It did occur to me that he might die from the blood loss, but I thought it was an acceptable risk. The dude reanimates and he's missing a leg, like, can't we just walk away from him?

I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.

It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?


Well, the teacher is really a Band director, so judging purely based on his job, he wouldn't be much help. Besides, Lee is a teacher.

[fanganga]

In my first playthrough, I didn't even realise the teacher in the trap was a choice. I tried to lever the trap open with the axe, looked at the chain when someone shouted but missed the hotpoint, then decided the only option was the Saw option. After what happened, and seeing it was a decision point, I expected the alternative would be to shoot him, which I thought would be more merciful, so I tried the various things around the trap, ran out the clock and was unpleasantly surprised. If I did it again, going on the knowledge Lee would have had at the time, I'd have taken his leg off again - my philosophy for Lee being to give people a chance at survival if they want to take it (in the first game, Irene had clearly decided she was looking at a fate worse than death - I chose to mercy-kill her).

Similarly, I sided with Lilly in the meatlocker, even knowing that with no defibrillator and no drugs, Larry's chances were slim to none - I figured we could at least give him a chance and still be able to protect ourselves once we knew for sure, much like with Duck back at the drugstore - and how I wanted to bring that up - "We always give our people a chance. That's why Duck's still here."

[WingSP117]

As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.

[Sisterofshane]

As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.

Did you also cut off the teacher's leg? Were you successful in freeing the teacher from the bear trap?

[CapnJay]

I'm a Clementine supporter. to hell with this feud

[Woodsyblue]

I actually didn't cut off the teachers leg, but only because I ran out of time. It had been so long since I'd played the first episode that I'd forgotten how the interface works and I just kept clicking 'look at things' and wondering why Lee wasn't doing anything. When I figured out what I was doing wrong I tried the alternatives to cutting his leg off and when I realised I was getting nowhere I clicked to cut his leg off and that's when Kenny told me we had to leave.

[Sisterofshane]

I'm a Clementine supporter. to hell with this feud

Trying hard not to make this into another "Hatfield-McCoy" thread. We already have plenty of those!

I'm just really interested in why people make the choices they do, and I'm trying to compare their decisions to other ones within the game that are similar to each other. Right now the theme is kind of "who deserves to live/die?". I might do more comparison threads as new issues come up.:)

[Sisterofshane]

Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!

Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?

[Master of Aeons]

I played up Lee's horror to the question and refused to answer. She took it and shot herself before my Lee could pull himself from shock.

[Barnoz]

I didn't give irene the gun in episode one because I thought I could talk her out of killing herself.

I tied to free the teacher by hitting the trap. When that didn't work, I cut his leg off to save his life and we took him to the motel where he was put in the truck.

As for the meatlocker scene, I wholeheatedly wanted Larry to die. if I could of killed him myself, I would of. I risked my life for him in episode one and he tried to kill me by knocking me out around a bunch of zombies. I'm supposed to give him an axe in episode 2? get real.

I know he's setup to be a 1 dimentional character, but you never get the choice to confront him or put him in his palce. So in Chapter 2, I didn't bother talking to him at all. I mean, you know already how every conversation with him will turn out as he just repeats the same thing over and over again like a broken record. I'm glad he out of the game becuase he wan't interesting, just annoying. I can see that his daughter will be the next annoying character in the next chapter and I can already tell what her conversation tree is going to be like. No thnaks telltale, you failed on that front.

My goal in the game is simple: try to save every life. If the NPCs try to kill me, they are dead.

It also seems like your choices have zero inpact on the dialogue which is a shame. In episode one, I saved the kid, gave him food, sided with Kenny and his family all the way. I got thanks for it and now in chapter 2, Kenny kepps including me in his rant about "everyone thought Duck had been bitten" (not true) and he's giving me flack for not siding with him (again, not true).

it's either sloppy writing or bad programming for not taking your choices into account.

[thestalkinghead]

i said what if she turns and follows us and told carley to give her the gun, carley wasn't convinced so i told her to shoot her herself, but in the end she handed over the gun, and i said "i am with you" (or something similar) i think letting her kill herself was the nicest thing you could do, given the circumstances

[Kelium]

With the Teacher I tried cutting the chain off, and when Mark said that it was rigged I went to cut his leg off. I felt that it was better than leaving him to the horde of walkers and at least try to help the man.

In the locker I sided with Kenny because I had sided with Kenny before and I like him because of his family values and he seems to be a good guy trying to save them. Mainly though I sided with Kenny because I was afraid Larry would come back as a walker and that would be a bad situation to be in. It was a hard decision but it had to be done to save the group, Kenny's wife, and kid from those cannibals. From my characters viewpoint someone as Larry that suffered that hard of a heart attack would most likely die and Lee had no idea how fast they would reanimate back.


When I was fighting Danny and needed help I wasn't surprised that I didn't get any help from Lilly bc of what had been done. I would be happy to see her leave the group in episode three but that's just me.


With the girl Irene I didn't want to give her the gun, and tried to talk her out of it but she ended up killing herself.

Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.

I was happy with this episode and felt that I did the right thing even though it was hard to do.

[thestalkinghead]

Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.


i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.

but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.

so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child

[Kelium]

i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.

but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.

so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child

So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.

[JonathanEFearn]

I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"

Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.

I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."

I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).

[Kelium]

I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"

Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.

I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."

I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).

So basically if you go against him at all he becomes a jerk to you? Sorry I just bought the game and did my first play through today. Really enjoying it though.:D

[thestalkinghead]

So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.

yes (i actually thought i could have killed or thrown duck outside in the game at the time), because that is what good people do, it doesn't matter how you treat them, they will do the right thing and help

[phoray]

To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)


What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?



1. I didn't consider whether or not her would die later. I did notice the tourniquet. I also don't get why Lee decided to cut it off at the thigh, near some of the largest veins and arteries. I think mid calf would have sufficed. I think what I mostly thought is that no one should die being eaten alive. Also, not knowing that death = zombie, I thought leaving him behind would just mean that FOR SURE he would become a zombie if he got semi eaten and that's no good. We have enough to protect ourselves from.

2. That one doesn't immediately go unconsious from a heart attack, at least not the one you can bounce back from without major surgery. That was a MAJOR heart attack, one he'd been staving off with nitroglicerin for months. Frankly, it looked more like a stroke to me than a heart attack. Even worse. I agreed with Kenny that we couldn't take the risk, and dragged Lily away. Felt like I was putting down a kid's favorite dog because it had rabies. It hurts, but it's got to be done. On my second play through, I helped Lilly. Honestly, though, a rescue breath hadn't been given. We were just moving his blood around (technically). And CPR is not going to unblock an artery. I thought at best, he would come back brain damaged, paralyzed, or in a coma. He was gone.

[phoray]

Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!

Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?


I did not give her the gun. She was satisfied with being locked up till death until she saw our gun. I wanted the option to shoot her myself. I think I thought if I said "no, you can't have a gun," I'd get to take her out. (Mercy Kill). I like mercy kills. I don't like suicides.

[Lucid_Delusion]

First play through I took two shots at the chain with the axe and when that was a no go I went right for the leg. Sidenote, I was sorta shocked by how gruesome the scene was as it played out on my monitor.

In the meat locker I sided with Lilly and tried to save Larry. As much as I hated Larry from episode 1, I felt like I'd be a complete douche if I didn't try to help him. This is after I mainly tried to side with Kenny or play it sort of in the middle as a voice of reason.

[Marleysativa]

Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!

Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?

As for your OP, I tried several ways to free the teacher. I eventually broke down and cut him free. It was practically a death sentence either way. If it was me I would have rather been cut free than be eaten by walkers. Though there was another option I would have preferred if given the opportunity.

I tried to help Larry in the meat locker and there were a few reasons why. I'm pretty ignorant regarding the statistics of saving someones life with CPR, especially considering you can't get any outside medical help. I figured we'd have a little time to at least try before he was changed into a walker. It's never an immediate change. Like the first choice, I would've preferred to handle the situation differently but you don't always get the choice. A humorous side note about this situation was I mainly tried to help because of how awesome Lilly's VA performed in that scene (it made me laugh after the fact, I'm not so sure I would have made the same choice in hindsight). I don't know if it matters but I wasn't one of the people that disliked Larry. I respected his reasoning behind the actions he took regarding Lee.

As for your last question, I opted to give her the gun. I can understand not wanting to be a walker. As with all these scenes though, I would have handled it differently. Once the others went back to the car I would have offered to pull the trigger myself. She seemed like a highly religious person. I understand most look down on suicide and would have given her the option. It sounds cold but I'd hope someone would have shown me the same kindness in the same situation.

I rambled a bit but if you have any other questions let me know! I've been too busy to check this board recently and I'm interested in others reactions to the same situations. The one really cool thing about this game are the discussions it's lead to. The conversations I've seen regarding the St. Johns were a lot of fun.

[Zeruis]

I did not give Irene the gun. She couldn't have given up like that just yet, even though she knew she was going to turn. If you remember the police officer's words before the car crash, it could relate to Irene: "People will go mad when they believe their life is over".

[Lucid_Delusion]

I refused to give Irene the gun in my first playthrough. Of course I was still floored by how the situation played out but I wasn't ready to give up hope just yet at the time of the decision.

[fanganga]

Once the others went back to the car I would have offered to pull the trigger myself. She seemed like a highly religious person. I understand most look down on suicide and would have given her the option. It sounds cold but I'd hope someone would have shown me the same kindness in the same situation.


I've seen this opinion before, and I don't really understand the moral distinction between suicide and mercy-killing in this case. I understand the practical points Rommel made, but if you believe it's morally wrong for Irene to kill herself, how is it less wrong for Lee to kill her because she asked?

[craftyard]

I tried to cut the chain a few times, and it didn't work, so I cut his leg off. After all, a slim chance at survival is better than no chance at all.

I sided with Kenny in the meat locker. After a heart attack like that, Larry's chances of survival were extremely slim (I'd honestly say it was less than 1%), especially without medicine. The only way he would have woken up would have been as a zombie.

I gave Irene the gun. If she doesn't want to come back as a zombie, that's her choice, and we shouldn't try to deny her that.

[craftyard]

So for those of you who think the worse part of driving an ambulance is what you see. Brain, blood, liver, lung, heart or a combination of those. Its not.
Its the familly sitting behind you when you try to revive a person.
At some point you know its over, but they dont.

Woah.. That's terrible. I've never thought of it that way. That brought a tear to my eye, not even joking.

[Milosuperspesh]

Woah.. That's terrible. I've never thought of it that way. That brought a tear to my eye, not even joking.

press x to console

press a to ignore

[Sisterofshane]

press x to console

press a to ignore

*presses x* You've got to let it go...

Back on topic, I've realized that I haven't shared MY answers with everyone yet!:p

When I cut off the teacher's leg, it was pretty clear to me that he was going to die. I don't know what kind of medical care we had, but I was pretty darn sure that we didn't have the kind that could help someone survive being amputated by an axe. Like a lot of people have said, though, it was a preferable death to being eaten alive by the Walkers.

I didn't side with Lilly in the meat locker, but my honest assessment of Larry was that he had less than a ten percent chance of revival. I've also said before that, even SHOULD we save his life, he would have been a serious drag on the group trying to escape from the cannibals (I doubt he would have been conscious).

As for Irene, I didn't give her the gun. Why? Mostly because she was consciously giving up on herself. I wouldn't want to become a Walker, either, but I would at least have wanted enough time to know without a doubt that I was going to die. We could have taken her in and cared for her until we were certain that she was dying, and then mercy killed her (and we probably could have found something in the pharmacy to knock her out before hand, so she wouldn't have even known!). I didn't buy the shtick that Larry was pushing, that being bitten meant that you automatically turned in a few seconds. That, and like a lot of people said, why would I give a gun to a crazy woman? I would at least have liked an option to kill her myself.

[Rock114]

I cut off the teacher's leg as soon as I gained control of Lee. I had seen/read enough zombie fiction to know this was the only way out for him. I never really DID think about him bleeding out though, so I kind of felt bad back at camp when he died.

In the meat locker I sided with Kenny. Even though they both had good points, I was torn and sided with Kenny at the last inute only because my cursor was closer to him.

I gave Irene the gun because she didn't want to become a zombie. I agreed that it would be more merciful and I couldn't let anyone suffer like that, knowing they were transforming into a flesh eating, unfeeling monster.

[thestalkinghead]

As for Irene, I didn't give her the gun. Why? Mostly because she was consciously giving up on herself. I wouldn't want to become a Walker, either, but I would at least have wanted enough time to know without a doubt that I was going to die. We could have taken her in and cared for her until we were certain that she was dying, and then mercy killed her (and we probably could have found something in the pharmacy to knock her out before hand, so she wouldn't have even known!). I didn't buy the shtick that Larry was pushing, that being bitten meant that you automatically turned in a few seconds. That, and like a lot of people said, why would I give a gun to a crazy woman? I would at least have liked an option to kill her myself.

being bit = zombie, not in a few seconds but it will happen (is how i understand it), personally if i was bitten i would leave the group and allow myself to turn into a zombie, mainly out of curiosity but also because i would never kill myself, however i believe in certain extreme cases (not depression) people should be allowed to take their own life or have help to die

[Sisterofshane]

Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :

Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?

[Zeruis]

Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :

Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?

I did not kill any of the St. Johns. I couldn't kill Danny because he had been hurt by me and Lilly, as well as stepping in the bear trap. He wasn't going anywhere. As for Andy, he wanted Lee to finish him off. He had pretty much given up on life, so why not let him get a taste of his own medicine and get eaten by the zombies? With all the gunshots, the zombies were bound to appear sooner or later. I also would have let Brenda live. She couldn't kill anybody. She needed Katjaa alive and she just couldn't kill Lee (only if he doesn't choose a threatening option).

[Master of Aeons]

I killed the first. I think it fit the character's past. Someone pushes him too far and he kills them. But it's only crimes of passions. By the time the last brother was on the ground crying, I figured Lee had calmed down and would be a nice guy again.

If you're tracking my choices, I like to play Lee as a guy slightly in over his head prone to kicking too much ass to get results. He'll be shocked that someone would want to kill themselves, but stab some smug fucker with a pitchfork if he needs to.

[Kiel555]

Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.

Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.

As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.

Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:

What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D

My medical background is limited. I know first aid and CPR. When Larry collapsed for the second time (remember his first collapse, that Lee observed, was at the pharmacy) I thought Larry had a similar episode and would be okay (just like at the pharmacy since he stabilized even without his pills) up until Lilly called for help.

Once we began CPR I put his revival at 25%. His chance of revival would have been higher if Kat was present.

[Milosuperspesh]

in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.

so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..

so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..

cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over

[Kiel555]

Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :

Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?

I killed both brothers. I would not have let Brenda live. Keep in mind that these running dogs murdered Mark a member of my group and friend. Then they served up his legs with potatoes and gravy. Let the punishment fit the crime.

I did not give the gun to Irene. I'm okay with people wanting to "opt-out" of a ZA. They just need to do it quietly. That mission was going fairly well because we were using stealth. I wanted to avoid any loud noises like a gunshot.

[Kiel555]

in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.

so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..

so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..

cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over

I was able to get in 4 chest compressions before his head went splat. Had we been able to continue CPR, Lee would continue with the compressions and Lilly can do the rescue breathing...who says chivalry is dead.

[Baalthazaar]

In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.

I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.

In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.

I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.

[Zeruis]

In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.

I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.

In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.

I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.

I felt the same way as you with chopping off the teacher's leg. This is TWD, how else are you supposed to get him out of the bear trap?:rolleyes:

[bl4ckrider]

I was with Larry in the meat locker and chopped the leg off after some alternatives.

But yeah, I thought that this is totally unrealistic. If you cut off somebody's leg that person dies from bloodloss in less than minutes unless you stop the bleeding (I'm not a doctor). I figured he was pretty much dead anyway and being a new character who I had no ties with, it wasn't a big deal. I realise that he was meant to die.

He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.

[Master of Aeons]

He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.

"I was about to retire! Look at these pictures of my wife! Tell Scarlet I DO give a damn!"

No, that's a horrible idea. If someone's pointless, get them offscreen without any hackneyed tricks.