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ElderBoss
07/12/2012, 05:51 am
I'll get straight to the point of my proposal: Do you think we will see TTG's The Walking Dead get any darker than the climax of Starved For Help?

If so, I'd love to hear how. I'd also love to hear what direction you think the series will take, more so in the next episode, because anything beyond that is completely up in the air.

Personally, I think the next episode will see the power-struggle between Kenny and Lilly reach breaking point, and I think we will see one character from the group killing another. Maybe you'll get the choice to turn the other cheek, or to out the murderer. My guess is that Lilly will die next, and that Kenny will be in some way responsible. Katja is another strong possibility to die. Maybe Lilly will be to blame, and that will feed the fire?

franapbsilva
07/12/2012, 06:12 am
i think those are the only ways to get darker than "Starved for Help":
1-Clementine being raped. (No way!!!! :( )
2-Someone doing to Duck,(spoilers from the comics) what Negan did to Glenn.
3- Katjaa being tortured to death.
I don't think thats going to happend.... But it's the Walking Dead...

And another thing.... Lilly DYING?... No way

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:12 am
I think it'll end up with Kenny and Lilly being put into a Carley/Doug situation near the end. If you pick to save Lilly, she stays until the end of Ep 5 and Kenny dies, or if you pick Kenny he survives as does she but she runs off in disgust to Woodsbury early. Although, for a truly dark scenario, in the final Ep there could be a Save Clem/Save the Rest choice, in which you either lose her to save everyone or vice versa.

ElderBoss
07/12/2012, 06:17 am
in the final Ep there could be a Save Clem/Save the Rest choice, in which you either lose her to save everyone or vice versa.

Wow, I never considered this! That would be very difficult to choose. I better give that some thought incase it does come up as a snap decision. Also, we have to remember that we may see Lee's parents make an appearence, or Clementine's! Maybe a decision between the two? Either way, it's hard-hitting stuff.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 06:20 am
I'll sacrifice the team to save Clementine which emphasis to Clem the value of the needs of the one over the needs of the few.

Clem will never be raped and if anyone in the game even suggest that they'd try it they wont make it till the end of the episode {unless the Devs let the character escape} Kaatja being tortured to death... ehhh maybe i mean it's something that would make me feel bad but not make me completely lose interest in the game. Maybe that could be a Mercy Kill option. Have no idea about the glenn negane reference

ElderBoss
07/12/2012, 06:21 am
i think those are the only ways to get darker than "Starved for Help":


Suggestion 1, I think, would never be allowed - although, that certainly would be dark. Suggestions 2 and 3 are both very possible though. I bet we will see someone die at the hands of the bandits, perhaps through torture. A P.O.W scenario. Katja has already been taken hostage by Mama St. John, which doesn't mean it won't happen again.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 06:21 am
Wow, I never considered this! That would be very difficult to choose. I better give that some thought incase it does come up as a snap decision. Also, we have to remember that we may see Lee's parents make an appearence, or Clementine's! Maybe a decision between the two? Either way, it's hard-hitting stuff.

Lee's parents are DEEEEEAAAADDD

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/624/my_parents_are_deeaaaaaad.jpg

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:26 am
I'll sacrifice the team to save Clementine which emphasis to Clem the value of the needs of the one over the needs of the few.

Clem will never be raped and if anyone in the game even suggest that they'd try it they wont make it till the end of the episode {unless the Devs let the character escape} Kaatja being tortured to death... ehhh maybe i mean it's something that would make me feel bad but not make me completely lose interest in the game. Maybe that could be a Mercy Kill option. Have no idea about the glenn negane reference

Damn plot shields!
Maybe they'll be a bit where we can "trim the fat" - get rid of some "unnecessary characters...

Mercy Kill sounds good, but what about a Sacrifice, a la Irene? Dissuading someone from sacrificing themselves and forcing someone else (maybe even you) to go?

Zeruis
07/12/2012, 06:29 am
Wasn't Jolene's daughter raped? Anyways, this will get darker. The group will start waning away from who they were before the apocalypse and become totally new people with new motives.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:32 am
What about the TWD equivalent of Little Lamplight from Fallout 3, crossed with a bit of banditry?

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 06:33 am
My Lee's motives are pure protect Clementine at all costs

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 06:34 am
What about the TWD equivalent of Little Lamplight from Fallout 3, crossed with a bit of banditry?

huh interesting. there were aspects of little lamplight that always bothered me

franapbsilva
07/12/2012, 06:36 am
Suggestion 1, I think, would never be allowed - although, that certainly would be dark. Suggestions 2 and 3 are both very possible though. I bet we will see someone die at the hands of the bandits, perhaps through torture. A P.O.W scenario. Katja has already been taken hostage by Mama St. John, which doesn't mean it won't happen again.

I wrote Katjaa as an example. Could happend to anybody and still be dark. Just wrote Katjaa, because she is a woman with family.

The_Cheshire_Cat
07/12/2012, 06:38 am
i think those are the only ways to get darker than "Starved for Help":
1-Clementine being raped. (No way!!!! :( )
2-Someone doing to Duck,(spoilers from the comics) what Negan did to Glenn.
3- Katjaa being tortured to death.
I don't think thats going to happend.... But it's the Walking Dead...

And another thing.... Lilly DYING?... No way

I don't know enough about option two to comment. option one is...wow. I think that would take the story in a direction that neither the developers or the players are mature enough to handle. Seriously.

Option three is boss.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:38 am
huh interesting. there were aspects of little lamplight that always bothered me

I myself always imagined they had a horrible secret...
I wonder if the devs look at these ideas we suggest?

Gman5852
07/12/2012, 06:38 am
My guess is that Lilly will die next, and that Kenny will be in some way responsible.

Get this out of your mind. Lilly will NOT die in this season. She is a character in the actual comic book series, so she has to stay alive to fulfill her role there.

franapbsilva
07/12/2012, 06:39 am
I'll sacrifice the team to save Clementine which emphasis to Clem the value of the needs of the one over the needs of the few.

Clem will never be raped and if anyone in the game even suggest that they'd try it they wont make it till the end of the episode {unless the Devs let the character escape} Kaatja being tortured to death... ehhh maybe i mean it's something that would make me feel bad but not make me completely lose interest in the game. Maybe that could be a Mercy Kill option. Have no idea about the glenn negane reference

Comic Book Spoiler: Negan destroied Glenn's brain with a baseball bat with barbwire.

Zeruis
07/12/2012, 06:43 am
The theme of cannibalism was very dark in episode 2. In my opinion, TT did a great job in surprising us. There are many other dark themes that can be used, such as persecution and war.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:45 am
What about remnants of the former government or military (more solider like, not like Mark's sort who are "survivors") coming across our merry band and killing them in the name of keeping everything hush-hush or from believing that everyone outside their group is contaminated?

Zeruis
07/12/2012, 06:47 am
What about remnants of the former government or military (more solider like, not like Mark's sort who are "survivors") coming across our merry band and killing them in the name of keeping everything hush-hush or from believing that everyone outside their group is contaminated?

Where is the government anyways? It would be cool to see it play a part in Lee's story(without the apparent need for a darker storyline).

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 06:52 am
Where is the government anyways? It would be cool to see it play a part in Lee's story(without the apparent need for a darker storyline).

Lee is locked up in a room press left to tilt left press right to tilt right untill lee falls over to escape.... Like the beginning of Arkham City.


I myself always imagined they had a horrible secret...
I wonder if the devs look at these ideas we suggest?


Which horrible Secret the fact they eat strange meat and fungus that grows on corpses.

or the fact that their can't be that many children in an over two hundred year old cave hideout without hanky panky going on.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:52 am
Where is the government anyways? It would be cool to see it play a part in Lee's story(without the apparent need for a darker storyline).

Probably collapsed or in hiding. But yeah, a sudden revelation as everyone learns that they'd been travelling with a murderer. If you have bad blood on either side of the Kenny/Lilly issue, that side's leader could try to kill you...

franapbsilva
07/12/2012, 06:54 am
(Comic Book Spoilers)
Most of the dark themes were already used by Kirkman: Torture, Rape, Hostage, even Cannibalism.... But Telltale did a great job "reusing" this last theme whit a new prespective, and without we feelling "This is just an imitation" or "This has already happend."

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 06:54 am
Which horrible Secret the fact they eat strange meat and fungus that grows on corpses.

or the fact that their can't be that many children in an over two hundred year old cave without hanky panky going on.

Aren't you thinking of Andale? Although I haven't played F3 in aeons...
Probably the latter - I'm assuming your implying incest?

Master of Aeons
07/12/2012, 06:55 am
I wouldn't rule out at least the attempted rape of Clem. Carl had a rape referenced against him, but his dad killed someone long before it was a problem. I could see it working very easily into the story.

If Lee's a normal, decent guy until something shakes him to the core - as we saw with his wife - then we're probably going to see that resurface in some way. I know the example was a guess, but I think we're in for some much darker times and a totally different Lee by the endgame.

Master of Aeons
07/12/2012, 06:56 am
Aren't you thinking of Andale? Although I haven't played F3 in aoens...


Achoo! Someone say my name?

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:00 am
Achoo! Someone say my name?

With my woeful spelling, yes :)

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:10 am
Aren't you thinking of Andale? Although I haven't played F3 in aeons...
Probably the latter - I'm assuming your implying incest?

When you hit sixteen you get kicked out. if you get kicked out it's highly unlikely any babies you have are going to end up in Little Lamplight soooo Underage Sex and Pregnancy. Also Talk to the chef about the fungus and youll find out more about it.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:11 am
I know this is an odd bit of speculation, but if Lee canonically dies near the end, do you think we would see through the eyes of/have limited control of walker Lee for a bit? By limited, I mean attacking person B instead of person A, or not attacking in the first "wave" of an attack on survivors, thereby saving yo zombie ass...

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:15 am
When you hit sixteen you get kicked out. if you get kicked out it's highly unlikely any babies you have are going to end up in Little Lamplight soooo Underage Sex and Pregnancy. Also Talk to the chef about the fungus and youll find out more about it.

I knew about the getting kicked out, but I'd assumed their kids could live there. I don't remember the fungus...
You just killed my happy Wonderkand-esque view of LL... But that's okay, cause I have Clem...

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:16 am
I know this is an odd bit of speculation, but if Lee canonically dies near the end, do you think we would see through the eyes of/have limited control of walker Lee for a bit? By limited, I mean attacking person B instead of person A, or not attacking in the first "wave" of an attack on survivors, thereby saving yo zombie ass...

that reminds me of that tv series from CW that vanished shortly after it was on the air. Where This woman kept getting attacked by people and she thought she was normal but it turned out she OD'd and was actually a Zombie now.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:18 am
that reminds me of that tv series from CW that vanished shortly after it was on the air. Where This woman kept getting attacked by people and she thought she was normal but it turned out she OD'd and was actually a Zombie now.

Why'd it vanish? It seems like it had an interesting premise...

Death689God
07/12/2012, 07:20 am
Episode 2 isn't that Dark, I mean, it's Darker but... there are PLENTY of twisted things that can yet be done.

jaybreezy
07/12/2012, 07:20 am
I think it'd be interesting to have an option to either save Kenny or save Katjaa and Duck.

I'd be interested to see what a saved Kenny without his family (who is his main reason for being) would do.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:24 am
Why'd it vanish? It seems like it had an interesting premise...

It was like a generic Masters of Horrors i'm guessing the Budget to Vieweship wasn't proper

Zeruis
07/12/2012, 07:25 am
I think it'd be interesting to have an option to either save Kenny or save Katjaa and Duck.

I'd be interested to see what a saved Kenny without his family (who is his main reason for being) would do.

I predict that Katjaa won't be around for much longer. We all know Kenny's sole loyalty is to Duck.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:26 am
I think it'd be interesting to have an option to either save Kenny or save Katjaa and Duck.

I'd be interested to see what a saved Kenny without his family (who is his main reason for being) would do.

Kaatja and Duck over Kenny anyday

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:29 am
I think it'd be interesting to have an option to either save Kenny or save Katjaa and Duck.

I'd be interested to see what a saved Kenny without his family (who is his main reason for being) would do.

He'd probably scream and say that you shoulda saved them, then (depending on your relationship with him) hate you and run off or being a depressed Bro4Lyf.

It was like a generic Masters of Horrors i'm guessing the Budget to Vieweship wasn't proper

Oh...

I still wanna see a fourth wall breaking occurance...

jaybreezy
07/12/2012, 07:29 am
Kaatja and Duck over Kenny anyday

Right. But you don't think seeing what actions Kenny would take without his family around would be at least somewhat interesting? And seeing how he would react towards you (Lee) for not saving his family instead.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:33 am
Oh it might be interesting but i'd still pick kaatja and duck. Kaatjas medical experience and Duck as a friend for Clem.

I had a thought on Topic but im not sure if i should post it because it would take place several years down the line.

jaybreezy
07/12/2012, 07:34 am
I had a thought on Topic but im not sure if i should post it because it would take place several years down the line.

Post it!!! lol. I like hearing speculations or ideas.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:35 am
Oh it might be interesting but i'd still pick kaatja and duck. Kaatjas medical experience and Duck as a friend for Clem.

I had a thought on Topic but im not sure if i should post it because it would take place several years down the line.

It might take place - we don't know what timeframe is being looked at. I think I know what you'll say, but I'm curious in case I'm wrong...

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:40 am
Since I can't find the youtube video I was thinking about an episode of Buffy before Spike gets his soul back where tries to rape buffy in her bathroom.

Duck playing Spike
Clem playing Buffy
and a random bathroom as the bathroom buffy was almost raped in

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:42 am
Since I can't find the youtube video I was thinking about an episode of Buffy before Spike gets his soul back where tries to rape buffy in her bathroom.

Duck playing Spike
Clem playing Buffy
and a random bathroom as the bathroom buffy was almost raped in

Ah.... That would be... *awkward gap* interesting... *embarrassed cough*

jaybreezy
07/12/2012, 07:44 am
Since I can't find the youtube video I was thinking about an episode of Buffy before Spike gets his soul back where tries to rape buffy in her bathroom.

Duck playing Spike
Clem playing Buffy
and a random bathroom as the bathroom buffy was almost raped in

Yeah... That would be... wow. You'd have to kill him after that right?? Or at least go Lorena Bobbit on his ass. lol

Death689God
07/12/2012, 07:47 am
I think it'd be interesting to have an option to either save Kenny or save Katjaa and Duck.

I'd be interested to see what a saved Kenny without his family (who is his main reason for being) would do.

Better: Katjaa VS Duck. Talk about a Sadistic Choice. :D

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:49 am
Better: Katjaa VS Duck. Talk about a Sadistic Choice. :D

that would destroy kenny's marriage i kinda got the feeling that Duck is the glue that holds the family together

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:49 am
Better: Katjaa VS Duck. Talk about a Sadistic Choice. :D

As in choice or actual fight to the death? :P

Death689God
07/12/2012, 07:53 am
As in choice or actual fight to the death? :P

A Doug/Carley choice, but a fight to the Death would be Sadistically Hilarious.

that would destroy kenny's marriage i kinda got the feeling that Duck is the glue that holds the family together

Group loses the Medic, or they Lose their Marriage?.. Seems, simple enough to my Lee. XD

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 07:56 am
A Doug/Carley choice, but a fight to the Death would be Sadistically Hilarious.

Yes, I saw my question become obsolete as soon as I answered it...

Duck: Mom, what's that shiny thing in your hand?
Katjaa: Stay still Ducky! I LOVE YOOOOOOOUUUUU!!!

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:56 am
As in choice or actual fight to the death? :P

I'll get the Start Trek Original Series fight music set up and some popcorn

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 07:58 am
Damn now I kinda want a scene with Lee and Clem sitting around talking about which survivor could take which other survivor

Death689God
07/12/2012, 07:59 am
Damn now I kinda want a scene with Lee and Clem sitting around talking about which survivor could take which other survivor

Gotta be Pragmatic or Ruthless to get the Cutscene, sorry. :P

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:01 am
I'll get the Start Trek Original Series fight music set up and some popcorn

Sounds like a good plan!

Damn now I kinda want a scene with Lee and Clem sitting around talking about which survivor could take which other survivor

Anyone that fights Clem loses instantly cause Lee axes them in the head...

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:01 am
Gotta be Pragmatic or Ruthless to get the Cutscene, sorry. :P

Crossthread reference, DOUBLE DAMAGE!

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 08:08 am
Oh man Can you imagine one of those stillshots TTG does except theirs a makeshift ring with Duck and Clem in the middle both with their war faces on and the adults are around the rings making bets and drinking beers

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:10 am
Oh man Can you imagine one of those stillshots TTG does except theirs a makeshift ring with Duck and Clem in the middle both with their war faces on and the adults are around the rings making bets and drinking beers

I can now. Although I need some inspiration for the ring - what's it made out of?

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:12 am
Oh man Can you imagine one of those stillshots TTG does except theirs a makeshift ring with Duck and Clem in the middle both with their war faces on and the adults are around the rings making bets and drinking beers
Quietest fight ever... Duck stands there like an Idiot while Clem bites his ear of and rips his throat out. :cool:

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:16 am
Quietest fight ever... Duck stands there like an Idiot while Clem bites his ear of and rips his throat out. :cool:

Don't forget about Overprotective Instakill Lee

Clem uses Call Lee!
It's super effective!
Duck is knocked unconscious!

If you don't like Pokemon:
Clem calls for Lee, Lee axes Duck in the head, who dies...

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 08:16 am
I can now. Although I need some inspiration for the ring - what's it made out of?

The St.Johns Electrified fence

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:23 am
This is technically speculation, right? We're speculating about the outcome of fights...

How about:
Lee (Axe) vs Healthy Larry (Bargepole)
Lee (Unarmed) vs Kenny (Salt Lick)
Lee (unarmed) vs Clem (Unarmed)
Lee(Crossbow) vs Danny(Charlotte/Scoped Rifle)
Lee(Axe) & Clem(Unarmed) vs Kenny(Axe) & Katjaa(Saw) & Duck(Multitool)

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:26 am
This is technically speculation, right? We're speculating about the outcome of fights...

How about:
Lee (Axe) vs Healthy Larry (Bargepole)
Lee (Unarmed) vs Kenny (Salt Lick)
Lee (unarmed) vs Clem (Unarmed)
Lee(Crossbow) vs Danny(Charlotte/Scoped Rifle)
Lee(Axe) & Clem(Unarmed) vs Kenny(Axe) & Katjaa(Saw) & Duck(Multitool)

Lee
Lee
No one, they Live and let Live.
Danny
Lee does all the work for Clem.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:29 am
Lee
Lee
No one, they Live and let Live.
Danny
Lee does all the work for Clem.

Agreed (did you catch the reference?)
Agreed
If there's no peace option?
Agreed (what about with trees?)
I was more thinking that Duck would somehow stab his parents with the 'tool...

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:33 am
Lee(Unarmed) vs Clem(Unarmed)
Lee(Zombified) vs Clem(Awl)
Lee(Awl) vs Clem (Zombified)
Lee(Axe)& Clem(Unarmed) vs Everyone(Varying Weapons)
Lee & Clem(Both Zombified) vs Everyone(Varying Weapons)
Lee(Axe) & Clem(Unarmed) vs Everyone(Zombified)

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:33 am
Agreed (did you catch the reference?)
Agreed
If there's no peace option?
Agreed (what about with trees?)
I was more thinking that Duck would somehow stab his parents with the 'tool...

Nope

Clem, Lee can't do it... Or they just starve to death w/o fighting.
Trees?
No, Duck stabs HIMSELF with the tool, in his mouth, thinking he can eat it. Kenny and Katjaa look to him because of the screaming, then Lee Axes Kenny a Question, then Axes Katjaa a question, before coming upon Duck, handing the Axe to Clem and she Axes Duck if he wants to play. <<< Only if you're Ruthless, if just Pragmatic Lee Axes Duck the Question himself.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 08:36 am
Axe Puns give me a Splitting Headache

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:36 am
Axe Puns give me a Splitting Headache

I see it :cool:

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:37 am
Nope

Clem, Lee can't do it.
Trees?
No, Duck stabs HIMSELF with the tool, in his mouth, thinking he can eat it. Kenny and Katjaa look to him because of the screaming, then Lee Axes Kenny a Question, then Axes Katjaa a question, before coming upon Duck, handing the Axe to Clem and she Axes Duck if he wants to play. <<< Only if you're Ruthless, if just Pragmatic Lee Axes Duck the Question himself.

Actually, I forgot too, it's a moot point...
Lots of trees. The ring's pretty small, but more cover.
I like that - "Can I axe you a question?"
Even with an iPhone, it's tricky to type...

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:40 am
Actually, I forgot too, it's a moot point...
Lots of trees. The ring's pretty small, but more cover.
I like that - "Can I axe you a question?"
Even with an iPhone, it's tricky to type...

Trees give Lee the ability to reload, but Danny will be in his element in Hunter Mode... So still Danny.
I axe a lot of questions, personally.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:44 am
Trees give Lee the ability to reload, but Danny will be in his element in Hunter Mode... So still Danny.
I axe a lot of questions, personally.

Very true.
So, back to actual speculation - do you think there would be an actual ring like that later on?
Also, what are the chances of Lee's identity being revealed in the next few Episodes?

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:47 am
Very true.
So, back to actual speculation - do you think there would be an actual ring like that later on?
Also, what are the chances of Lee's identity being revealed in the next few Episodes?

Not likely.
&
Very likely.

Chances of how you raised Clementine, determining if she survives Episode 5?

Zeruis
07/12/2012, 08:49 am
Very true.
So, back to actual speculation - do you think there would be an actual ring like that later on?
Also, what are the chances of Lee's identity being revealed in the next few Episodes?

I feel as if Lee's identity will be covered before season 2. We need some kind of tension between the group fueled.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 08:51 am
Not likely.
&
Very likely.

Chances of how you raised Clementine, determining if she survives Episode 5?

Maybe, although some people might get a bit put out if they're "cheated" out of an Ep or two extra with Clem - but it could be good design...
No-one playing this game is Ruthless, according to my poll. Theories on the reason behind this?

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 08:53 am
Depending on how you raise Clem determines if Clem and Lee survive or Clem survives alone.

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:55 am
Maybe, although some people might get a bit put out if they're "cheated" out of an Ep or two extra with Clem - but it could be good design...
No-one playing this game is Ruthless, according to my poll. Theories on the reason behind this?

Well, the only reason I'm not is because I tried to save Larry. other than that, I've been rather ruthless. (Shot Jolene, Killed Danny AND Andy, stole food, suggested we leave the guy in the bear trap, etc.)

But I think most people see the Ruthless option as doing everything the survive, taking all the morally wrong choices, and being cold and unsupportive of Clementine. (Basically, Tough Love mixed with Kill everything and everyone, put yourself first, etc.)

Death689God
07/12/2012, 08:56 am
Depending on how you raise Clem determines if Clem and Lee survive or Clem survives alone.

I don't even see the logic in that. Clearly Clem's survival depends on how you raise her, otherwise there'd be no point to it.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 09:01 am
Well, the only reason I'm not is because I tried to save Larry. other than that, I've been rather ruthless. (Shot Jolene, Killed Danny AND Andy, stole food, suggested we leave the guy in the bear trap, etc.)

But I think most people see the Ruthless option as doing everything the survive, taking all the morally wrong choices, and being cold and unsupportive of Clementine. (Basically, Tough Love mixed with Kill everything and everyone, put yourself first, etc.)

You're on the brink there, my friend...
Being cold and unsupportive of Clem would be neglecting her. Ruthless is just Survival in an extreme form...

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 09:01 am
I don't even see the logic in that. Clearly Clem's survival depends on how you raise her, otherwise there'd be no point to it.

How can you not see the logic, exactly?

Death689God
07/12/2012, 09:03 am
How can you not see the logic, exactly?

Because this is the Walking dead and you're holding out for a Happy Ending...
Illogical.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 09:04 am
Does Clem have the Skills and Moral reasoning to save Lee's life or is she too innocent or does she see Lee as expendable

Death689God
07/12/2012, 09:08 am
Does Clem have the Skills and Moral reasoning to save Lee's life or is she too innocent or does she see Lee as expendable

Still, it makes clementine Immortal. I don't think there will be a "Clem lives no matter what" option. Everything seems to be driving home the importance of raising her.. There will be NO Happy Endings, only Bittersweet at best.
It's trying to stay true to the spirit of the Comics, so this is how it has to be.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 09:10 am
Because this is the Walking dead and you're holding out for a Happy Ending...
Illogical.

From where I was standing it sounded like you were both saying the same thing, is all...

Does Clem have the Skills and Moral reasoning to save Lee's life or is she too innocent or does she see Lee as expendable

It would suck if she's about to make a choice and they say "To Be Continued..."

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 09:14 am
From where I was standing it sounded like you were both saying the same thing, is all...



It would suck if she's about to make a choice and they say "To Be Continued..."

And then I would say "Do you take Cash or Plasma?"

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 09:15 am
Chances of Lee's Survival once the group know he's an Everett?

Death689God
07/12/2012, 09:17 am
Chances of Lee's Survival once the group know he's an Everett?

Depends on what they see he's done and the bonds he's formed.

BlackmesaExp
07/12/2012, 09:20 am
Depends on what they see he's done and the bonds he's formed.

Chances of yours?
I'd say mine's about 80% trustworthy. I disagreed with the group concerning Duck's bitten status, and I nicked some supplies...
And I was nice to Larry :D

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 09:27 am
As i've said before and i'll say again I don't Expect a HAPPY ending. Just a SATISFYING ending. I mean if Deus Ex HR can make Adam Jensen sell me on siding with, The Illuminati, Sarif, Darrow, or Kill them all and no matter what I choose his speech convinces me that it's the right choice then surely TTG can come up with an ending that makes me go "Well I did my best." I mean maybe if your a real screw up with lee. Clem and Lee both die. if you keep Clems morality and all and try to be neutral Clem ends up like the Carley of her new group kind of blending in the background. Or she becomes more assertive and eventually a new groups leader. But just trying to have dark depressing ending just for the sake of being dark and depressing is a shitty tactic. I'm not expecting a happily ever after or even that Clems immortal. But the message shouldn't be "Life Sucks and then you die." because at best it gets translated to. "Hey you think Bob screwing you over for that promotion is shitty? Could be worse you could be like the characters in this game."

Marleysativa
07/12/2012, 09:33 am
As i've said before and i'll say again I don't Expect a HAPPY ending. Just a SATISFYING ending. I mean if Deus Ex HR can make Adam Jensen sell me on siding with, The Illuminati, Sarif, Darrow, or Kill them all and no matter what I choose his speech convinces me that it's the right choice then surely TTG can come up with an ending that makes me go "Well I did my best." I mean maybe if your a real screw up with lee. Clem and Lee both die. if you keep Clems morality and all and try to be neutral Clem ends up like the Carley of her new group kind of blending in the background. Or she becomes more assertive and eventually a new groups leader. But just trying to have dark depressing ending just for the sake of being dark and depressing is a shitty tactic. I'm not expecting a happily ever after or even that Clems immortal. But the message shouldn't be "Life Sucks and then you die." because at best it gets translated to. "Hey you think Bob screwing you over for that promotion is shitty? Could be worse you could be like the characters in this game."

Lol, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into. Welcome to the Walking Dead.

Master of Aeons
07/12/2012, 09:49 am
I think Rick Grimes said the dead were the lucky ones. Being the walking dead - the survivors - is the worse fate.

CapnJay
07/12/2012, 09:55 am
Well i'm not worried TTG hasn't disappointed with an ending yet. Theres Season one of Sam and max which ended with Max punching out everyone. and Season two of sam and max which ended with a wedding and.... well thats kind of it for Xbox owners.

Master of Aeons
07/12/2012, 10:00 am
Well i'm not worried TTG hasn't disappointed with an ending yet. Theres Season one of Sam and max which ended with Max punching out everyone. and Season two of sam and max which ended with a wedding and.... well thats kind of it for Xbox owners.

Season 3's ending was way better, but ToMI has my favorite ending of anything they've made so far.

Death689God
07/12/2012, 10:05 am
Chances of yours?
I'd say mine's about 80% trustworthy. I disagreed with the group concerning Duck's bitten status, and I nicked some supplies...
And I was nice to Larry :D

IDC if my Lee makes it, I'm just making sure Clem-Clem does.