Doug or Carley?

[Demopan]

I was a bit dissapointed, seeing the statistics for this one. I saved Doug, and don't regret it one bit. Doug is a very resourceful character, he's funny, he's very relateable and is useful in any situation. Carley is too serious, and doesn't add very much. She has a gun, sure, but once you run out of ammo, or lose the gun, she has no redeeming qualities. her resourcefulness hits rock bottom (radio), and she has an instinctive reaction to solve every problem with her gun. She also has very little humor. I'm also getting a little tired of people saving someone just because they have a pair of boobs.

[Master of Aeons]

This is a topic covered a lot. You're not alone. Do a scan of the threads, and you'll find more.

[Dildor]

You're entitled to your opinion man.
I like Carly better because she trusts Lee enough to keep his secret. There's some really good dialogue between them when they are walking in the second episode, even if Doug is "funnier".

Also Doug is a pretty hefty guy, they both have boobs. :P

[doom saber]

I saved Doug over Carley because the latter was armed. She could have easily saved herself she turned around and shoot.

[Death689God]

I saved Doug over Carley because the latter was armed. She could have easily saved herself she turned around and shoot.

She was out of Ammo, it was in her purse.

I chose Carley because she's a good shot, and with the long term future of humanity in mind.

[Demopan]

She was out of Ammo, it was in her purse.

I chose Carley because she's a good shot, and with the long term future of humanity in mind.

If you're thinking long term, wouldn't a guy who is resourceful and crafty more important than being able to aim a gun?

[CapnJay]

If you're thinking long term, wouldn't a guy who is resourceful and crafty more important than being able to aim a gun?

Long term future of humanity means producing more humans to do that you need a womb... get where this is going?



Also TTG dropped the ball with Doug.

Carley saves yours and ducks life
gives you the radio puzzle.
talks to you about your past
Goes with you to save Glenn
You can Feed Carley

Doug takes you outside to get the keys
Doug takes you outside to get the keys
Doug takes you outside to get the keys
Doug takes you outside to get the keys
You can't feed Doug.

see the problem?

[Death689God]

If you're thinking long term, wouldn't a guy who is resourceful and crafty more important than being able to aim a gun?
Like CapnJay said, and in addition to it think on this:
Do you even realize what all can go wrong during child birth? Having only one woman to have kids with would be suicidal. The best option is to make sure that the women outnumber the men. Repopulating the earth will be safer, and quicker that way.

[MakersWax]

Because you can't repopulate the earth in five episodes, I saved Doug too. He's a real mensch in the 2nd episode too, very happy I kept him.

[CapnJay]

I think Doug and Carley should be considered like

Rebuilding Modern Society {with all it's technical conveniances} vs New World Order {with all it's survival skills}

[Death689God]

Because you can't repopulate the earth in five episodes, I saved Doug too. He's a real mensch in the 2nd episode too, very happy I kept him.

I do things in Character. I might only be in it for 5 episodes, but my Lee's in it for the long haul.

[Sisterofshane]

I do things in Character. I might only be in it for 5 episodes, but my Lee's in it for the long haul.

Less than a week into the apocalypse and Lee is already concerned with repopulating the Earth? Hardcore;).

I like to roleplay a bit more. Lee has seen some pretty bad things, but he still doesn't know for sure that it's bad everywhere. we only hear about how bad Atlanta was, and he asserts several times that he just "doesn't know" about everything else. By the time we make the Doug/Carley choice, pretty much everyone believes that it's only a few more weeks until the government/military rolls through to solve everything.

So I liked both Carley and Doug. Doug seemed like he was more crafty, both seemed pretty ready to trust me. When it came down to the moment, it definitely looked like Doug was in more trouble, so I chose him.

[CapnJay]

Lee's thinking "who would be a good surrogate mom for Clem"

[Death689God]

Less than a week into the apocalypse and Lee is already concerned with repopulating the Earth? Hardcore;).

I like to roleplay a bit more. Lee has seen some pretty bad things, but he still doesn't know for sure that it's bad everywhere. we only hear about how bad Atlanta was, and he asserts several times that he just "doesn't know" about everything else. By the time we make the Doug/Carley choice, pretty much everyone believes that it's only a few more weeks until the government/military rolls through to solve everything.

So I liked both Carley and Doug. Doug seemed like he was more crafty, both seemed pretty ready to trust me. When it came down to the moment, it definitely looked like Doug was in more trouble, so I chose him.

Well my Lee is kinda hoping things go on like this for a while longer. Better to be Free Zombie Bait than Chained Prison B*tch in his mind. On top of that, he's a man... Trust me, men are ALWAYS thinking about repopulating the earth, even when there's still 7 Billion people. ;)

[CapnJay]

Well my Lee is kinda hoping things go on like this for a while longer. Better to be Free Zombie Bait than Chained Prison B*tch in his mind. On top of that, he's a men... Trust me, men are ALWAYS thinking about repopulating the earth, even when there's still 7 Billion people. ;)

to quote lister

"I wanted to have a family. And I wanted to have loads of practice in the things that you've got to do to get a family."

[Awesoke]

The smart choice would have been Doug but c'mon, a pretty girl that can shoot effectively? Most people don't think with their brains.

[CapnJay]

In my Second Save Lee saved Doug but at a terrible cost. every night we make him dress up in white face paint and a chefs apron and smock and poke him in his belly.

[thestalkinghead]

the first time i played, i thought doug was pretty useless and a bit of an idiot risk taker as he offered to show me outside (not explaining at first it was secure) i just said no and thought he sucked, but carley said she knew your past, even though i said i trusted her i didnt because she was a reporter so using information for leverage is what she does, but she had a gun and could use it, so reasonably useful.

later we had to interact with doug and doug said he had memorised the codes for remote controls, that made me wonder what other useful skills a man like this could have.

so when i came to save them i saved doug because i thought he would be more useful, and i thought i would have a chance to pick up carley's gun as we had established that leaving a gun behind is not an option (suicide woman) but as we left we didnt even pick up her bag, very silly, sort of understandable but unforgivable

[CapnJay]

maybe they pick up carleys gun in episode three when you go to the drugstore if you sided with doug which will take one less point out of Carleys sails.

Likelyhood ratio: seventy five percent
As this would also give lee a chance to see her purse and remember how he chose doug.

[thestalkinghead]

maybe they pick up carleys gun in episode three when you go to the drugstore if you sided with doug which will take one less point out of Carleys sails.

Likelyhood ratio: seventy five percent
As this would also give lee a chance to see her purse and remember how he chose doug.

ohhh :D ,what if we find out carley was writing a story about lee before all this happened, so when we find her purse we get to learn more about the murder case

[CapnJay]

thus giving Doug fans an equal insight into Lee as Carley fans since we already get to talk to Carley on the walk. good call

[thestalkinghead]

thus giving Doug fans an equal insight into Lee as Carley fans since we already get to talk to Carley on the walk. good call

yeah, and if we saved carley, another conversation with her about the murder case would explain even more and doing the same thing as finding the purse

[Demopan]

i always thought they could have both survived. Doug was being grabbed by walkers, and Carley was out of ammo. lee has the strength needed to pull the Doug off the walkers, and Clementine, instead of standing there, could have gotten Carley her ammo.

[Master of Aeons]

i always thought they could have both survived. Doug was being grabbed by walkers, and Carley was out of ammo. lee has the strength needed to pull the Doug off the walkers, and Clementine, instead of standing there, could have gotten Carley her ammo.

At the end of the game, you find out that Clem had a spare magazine for the ep1 climax, a shot of adrenaline for the ep2 climax, train-remover for the third, a port compression coil for the fourth, and a large sponge for the season finale.

[Demopan]

At the end of the game, you find out that Clem had a spare magazine for the ep1 climax, a shot of adrenaline for the ep2 climax, train-remover for the third, a port compression coil for the fourth, and a large sponge for the season finale.

Carley's ammo is in her purse. Lee go it from there if he saved Carley, and clementine could have gotten it instead of Lee. I don't see why you have trouble understanding that.

[Master of Aeons]

Carley's ammo is in her purse. Lee go it from there if he saved Carley, and clementine could have gotten it instead of Lee. I don't see why you have trouble understanding that.

...maybe because I'm joking? Come on. Train remover? Esponja Grande?

[Death689God]

i always thought they could have both survived. Doug was being grabbed by walkers, and Carley was out of ammo. lee has the strength needed to pull the Doug off the walkers, and Clementine, instead of standing there, could have gotten Carley her ammo.

Yeah, because Clementine could REACH the purse, Right? It's on the counter. You're asking someone, nevermind it's a little girl, to run across the room and climb something over her head, get an item she probably didn't even know was there, and sling it to Carley before the Zombies got her.
Keep in mind that A LOT of players, on this very forum, said the reason they saved Doug is because they didn't see the save Icon for Carley. That's right, a bunch of ADULT GAMERS didn't even realize they had to click the purse till AFTER the fact... But the 8 Year old, who can't reach it, is supposed to? :rolleyes:

[Demopan]

Yeah, because Clementine could REACH the purse, Right? It's on the counter. You're asking someone, nevermind it's a little girl, to run across the room and climb something over her head, get an item she probably didn't even know was there, and sling it to Carley before the Zombies got her.
Keep in mind that A LOT of players, on this very forum, said the reason they saved Doug is because they didn't see the save Icon for Carley. That's right, a bunch of ADULT GAMERS didn't even realize they had to click the purse till AFTER the fact... But the 8 Year old, who can't reach it, is supposed to? :rolleyes:

Nevertheless, clementine should have at least tried. All she did was stand there like a derp.

[Death689God]

Nevertheless, clementine should have at least tried. All she did was stand there like a derp.

You're either REALLY over thinking this, or trying to start a flame war with people... I highly doubt the Dev team even considered the possibility of her doing anything anyways. Any of you that thought both of them would be saved, were really just fooling yourselves. Besides, even if your insane belief that she should have done something, there's nothing she could have done.

It's YOUR fault, as the player, either Carley or Doug dies, not someone else's.

[Demopan]

You're either REALLY over thinking this, or trying to start a flame war with people... I highly doubt the Dev team even considered the possibility of her doing anything anyways. Any of you that thought both of them would be saved, were really just fooling yourselves. Besides, even if your insane belief that she should have done something, there's nothing she could have done.

It's YOUR fault, as the player, either Carley or Doug dies, not someone else's.

chill out bro, I was just thinking. I think clem shoulda tried, imo. That's all there is to it. I never disagreed with you, I was just sharing my thoughts.

[CapnJay]

Demo you didn't even think jolene had a kid. are you sure your paying attention enough to the game to make character judgements?

[NessaT]

Blaming Clementine for standing there as just as bad as blaming Duck* for accidentally starting the tractor. They're kids, they're swamped by the undead, and two people are grabbed - kids at that age wouldn't know how to save themselves even if they wanted to.

Besides, I don't think Clem even knows what's in the purse. No one does except for Carly. Lee probably clued into its contents when he saw Carly trying to reach for it.

[CapnJay]

i'm surprised Carley abandoned her purse when you choose to save her.

[NessaT]

Maybe that was the last of her ammo? She's usually quick on her feet, so I'm not sure if it forgetfullness on her part.

[Master of Aeons]

There was a hole here, it's gone now.

[NessaT]

Dammit - another of my typos. I used to type Doug as "Dough". Go figure.

*goes back to fix it*

[Death689God]

Blaming Clementine for standing there as just as bad as blaming Duck* for accidentally starting the tractor. They're kids, they're swamped by the undead, and two people are grabbed - kids at that age wouldn't know how to save themselves even if they wanted to.

Besides, I don't think Clem even knows what's in the purse. No one does except for Carly. Lee probably clued into its contents when he saw Carly trying to reach for it.
Not really. Running over someones leg, trapping them, and causing them to get eating, is a whole lot different from standing back during an attack, not doing what you can't physically do/don't think to do, and seeing them be eaten. (Not to mention one's incompetence was used purposefully to set up a scene, while the other's is more like tying a characters' hands to make the game progress in the way the writers want it to.)
It's a survival situation, the fact their kids doesn't mean anything anymore. If they want to survive, they're gonna have to grow up fast.

But blaming someone for development forced inaction is like blaming Carley for not shooting the Andy in the head while he was trying to shove your face into the fence... It's Illogical, the game developers clearly made it that way for the situation with Lilly, (where inaction or action has real meaning In Game). Similarly, the situation with Doug and Carley was CLEARLY meant to be a Sadistic Choice. Clementine not interfering is less of an account of her character (as she has saved people before, and probably will do so again), and more of an account of the Developers not thinking of everything. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything

Duck DID get Shane Killed, Clem didn't get Carley killed, it's as simple as that. No emotions, no Fallacy driven "They're just kids!" excuse, just facts and observations.

chill out bro, I was just thinking. I think clem shoulda tried, imo. That's all there is to it. I never disagreed with you, I was just sharing my thoughts.

Read the above then.

[Rommel49]

Less than a week into the apocalypse and Lee is already concerned with repopulating the Earth? Hardcore;).

I like to roleplay a bit more. Lee has seen some pretty bad things, but he still doesn't know for sure that it's bad everywhere. we only hear about how bad Atlanta was, and he asserts several times that he just "doesn't know" about everything else. By the time we make the Doug/Carley choice, pretty much everyone believes that it's only a few more weeks until the government/military rolls through to solve everything.

So I liked both Carley and Doug. Doug seemed like he was more crafty, both seemed pretty ready to trust me. When it came down to the moment, it definitely looked like Doug was in more trouble, so I chose him.

Actually, we can gather from the information given just in Episode 1 that at a minimum, things are apparently pretty bad statewide. Going by the messages Clem's mother left on the answering machine Savannah evidently crapped the bed after an attempt to quarantine it, and Savannah's more or less clear on the opposite side of the state from Atlanta (which is also a pretty big indication the quarantine wasn't all that successful).

Granted, in my case I wasn't in "must repopulate!" mode, Carley just seemed more useful. At the time, she was the only person with a firearm, already helped out three or so times (of course, she loses points for saving Duck... the ditz :p), whereas Doug was kinda an empty uniform aside from programming a remote.

[Kiel555]

I was a bit dissapointed, seeing the statistics for this one. I saved Doug, and don't regret it one bit. Doug is a very resourceful character, he's funny, he's very relateable and is useful in any situation. Carley is too serious, and doesn't add very much. She has a gun, sure, but once you run out of ammo, or lose the gun, she has no redeeming qualities. her resourcefulness hits rock bottom (radio), and she has an instinctive reaction to solve every problem with her gun. She also has very little humor. I'm also getting a little tired of people saving someone just because they have a pair of boobs.

Doug and Carley both have good, but different, skills that seem equal for now in value. Unfortunately, I think Doug was set up to fail.

Doug took part in all the negative things that happened while Carley was involved in mainly positive events.

Doug was key to a mission that I did not want to do. The mission was to recover keys for Lilly who was hated and to get pills for Larry who is an arch enemy in my game. This was not a mission to benefit the group just two hated people. It was with Doug that Lee met his zombie brother and had to put him down. It was with Doug that the outside gate had its lock removed. Although the mission succeeded it resulted in an arch enemy being saved and the pharmacy being overrun with walkers.

On the other hand, Carly was key to a mission to save Glen (a much liked character from both the comics and the tv show). It was to recover gas that the group needed. The mission was a success with no group casualties (except for Irene who was a lost cause from the get go).

Lastly, with walkers breaking in and in the room, Doug had no capability to kill walkers. Carley was killing walkers and could kill more walkers if handed some out of reach ammo.

This may account for why so many chose Carley when the stats should be more like 50/50. I opted to save Carley and even at the end of episode 2 still think it was the right call.

[ozzmann]

Carley all the way!

3099

[CapnJay]

My three saves are
Carley
Doug
Carley

[Sisterofshane]

Actually, we can gather from the information given just in Episode 1 that at a minimum, things are apparently pretty bad statewide. Going by the messages Clem's mother left on the answering machine Savannah evidently crapped the bed after an attempt to quarantine it, and Savannah's more or less clear on the opposite side of the state from Atlanta (which is also a pretty big indication the quarantine wasn't all that successful).

Granted, in my case I wasn't in "must repopulate!" mode, Carley just seemed more useful. At the time, she was the only person with a firearm, already helped out three or so times (of course, she loses points for saving Duck... the ditz :p), whereas Doug was kinda an empty uniform aside from programming a remote.

Bad for Georgia does not necessarily mean bad EVERYWHERE. It's clear that the underlying message is that there is still hope for "rescue" from some outside entity. I think it's harder to view it that way as a player though, seeing as how we know we are only in the first episode of a five part story (couple this with anyone who knows about the Walking Dead universe from the show or the comics, and I can see where a lot of people get on with creating their new world order :)). If it was a true disaster, most people wouldn't give up hope after only a few days.

To put it bluntly, if I had to make the decision in episode two, I would probably have been more inclined to be thinking about repopulation than in episode one. As it was, I saw Doug being pulled out of a window by several walkers, and Carley was grabbed by the ankle by one Walker. I definitely thought Doug needed more help.

[CapnJay]

Bad for Georgia does not necessarily mean bad EVERYWHERE.

Meanwhile in Canada Life still thrives as Canadians have closed off the borders stopped the Walker thread dead and have their universal healthcare to prevent anyone else from dying and turning.

[ozzmann]

Meanwhile in Canada Life still thrives as Canadians have closed off the borders stopped the Walker thread dead and have their universal healthcare to prevent anyone else from dying and turning.


If you promise to take Bryan Adams and Justin Beiber back to their homeland b4 you close the border it would be totally worth it!

[Golden Monkey]

Did my first play through last night. After trying to save Hershel's son and seeing Kenny run I thought "crap if I had saved Duck, Kenny would have helped me move the tractor." So I chose Carley, thinking she would save Doug, since she had the gun and could shoot across the room. I didn't realize the choices were so black in white. :o

[CapnJay]

If you promise to take Bryan Adams and Justin Beiber back to their homeland b4 you close the border it would be totally worth it!

Bieber can stay in the states with Selena Gomez

[Death689God]

Bad for Georgia does not necessarily mean bad EVERYWHERE. It's clear that the underlying message is that there is still hope for "rescue" from some outside entity. I think it's harder to view it that way as a player though, seeing as how we know we are only in the first episode of a five part story (couple this with anyone who knows about the Walking Dead universe from the show or the comics, and I can see where a lot of people get on with creating their new world order :)). If it was a true disaster, most people wouldn't give up hope after only a few days.

To put it bluntly, if I had to make the decision in episode two, I would probably have been more inclined to be thinking about repopulation than in episode one. As it was, I saw Doug being pulled out of a window by several walkers, and Carley was grabbed by the ankle by one Walker. I definitely thought Doug needed more help.

Sorry, this isn't a Hurricane of Earthquake. If friggin' DEAD PEOPLE started to walk around and EAT THE LIVING, you're damn right we'd all be thinking long term. Especially if a whole state got wiped out. (Georgia, in terms of size and population, is as large as MOST countries! Let that sink in for a moment.)

[Sisterofshane]

Sorry, this isn't a Hurricane of Earthquake. If friggin' DEAD PEOPLE started to walk around and EAT THE LIVING, you're damn right we'd all be thinking long term. Especially if a whole state got wiped out. (Georgia, in terms of size and population, is as large as MOST countries! Let that sink in for a moment.)

You're speaking out of your general doom and gloom attitude, Death. Still. glad to know that some people will always jump to conclusions before being given sound evidence [/sarcasm]....

Calm down for a moment and think about what the narrative is telling you before you reach the conclusion that we're all gonna die. Doug is about the only person who notes that this might take longer than a couple of days to sort out. Less than a week in, and most people would probably still assume that the government will come in and rescue them (also made evident by the dialogue and spoken by several characters).

Sure, there will always be people who assume it's the end of the world - they do the same with other natural disasters, too. A majority of people still will hold out hope that it will all be over soon (especially as everyone is considering the fact that transmission only occurs through bites).

So yes, Georgia is large, and yes, this is a catastrophe, but it's just not reasonable for most people to be thinking they are the only hope left for the species in such a short amount of elapsed time. Georgia is NOT the entire world. It is possible for something catastrophic to happen in a place the size of Georgia and it isn't the end of the world.

Hence the episode two timeline "jump". Now (three months in with no change or contact) is when you start thinking the s*** has hit the fan. So, like I said earlier, had the Carley/Doug decision come in episode two, then I think it would be reasonable to be thinking about the longest-term survival needs such as repopulation. Less than a week after the disaster strikes, no.

[Death689God]

You're speaking out of your general doom and gloom attitude, Death. Still. glad to know that some people will always jump to conclusions before being given sound evidence [/sarcasm]....

Calm down for a moment and think about what the narrative is telling you before you reach the conclusion that we're all gonna die. Doug is about the only person who notes that this might take longer than a couple of days to sort out. Less than a week in, and most people would probably still assume that the government will come in and rescue them (also made evident by the dialogue and spoken by several characters).

Sure, there will always be people who assume it's the end of the world - they do the same with other natural disasters, too. A majority of people still will hold out hope that it will all be over soon (especially as everyone is considering the fact that transmission only occurs through bites).

So yes, Georgia is large, and yes, this is a catastrophe, but it's just not reasonable for most people to be thinking they are the only hope left for the species in such a short amount of elapsed time. Georgia is NOT the entire world. It is possible for something catastrophic to happen in a place the size of Georgia and it isn't the end of the world.

Hence the episode two timeline "jump". Now (three months in with no change or contact) is when you start thinking the s*** has hit the fan. So, like I said earlier, had the Carley/Doug decision come in episode two, then I think it would be reasonable to be thinking about the longest-term survival needs such as repopulation. Less than a week after the disaster strikes, no.

Call me doom and gloom all you want, but Grandma's corpse getting up and ripping mommies face off isn't really my Idea of Rainbows and Sunshine. Also, as I stated before, my Lee doesn't know if he wants it to get better. (I chose the "Was bad before" option with Katjaa). The only people that would really hold out hope in a situation like that, are the kinda people who let what they want to be override what is the most probable scenario.
My Lee isn't that big on those hopes everyone else has. At least if the world's gone to hell, he's free.

[Sisterofshane]

Call me doom and gloom all you want, but Grandma's corpse getting up and ripping mommies face off isn't really my Idea of Rainbows and Sunshine. Also, as I stated before, my Lee doesn't know if he wants it to get better. (I chose the "Was bad before" option with Katjaa). The only people that would really hold out hope in a situation like that, are the kinda people who let what they want to be override what is the most probable scenario.
My Lee isn't that big on those hopes everyone else has. At least if the world's gone to hell, he's free.


The same could be said for you - wanting to see the events of episode one as the beginning of the end of the world instead of what it is. Nobody here is making light of the situation in which we find ourselves - yes, it is bad. Things may possibly get worse before they get better. But if you can't hold out hope that life may ever return to normal for even a week, or worse, you would actually PREFER what was occurring to life as it was before as a whole, you just aren't "most people".

[Death689God]

The same could be said for you - wanting to see the events of episode one as the beginning of the end of the world instead of what it is. Nobody here is making light of the situation in which we find ourselves - yes, it is bad. Things may possibly get worse before they get better. But if you can't hold out hope that life may ever return to normal for even a week, or worse, you would actually PREFER what was occurring to life as it was before as a whole, you just aren't "most people".

I'd say the people who were in for the Long Haul on day 1 will be "most people" just short of a year later.

[CapnJay]

Red Bull ,Coke, and other processed food manufacturing versus freedom and forced survival or death

Internet and Air Conditioning Vs Survival

[Sisterofshane]

I'd say the people who were in for the Long Haul on day 1 will be "most people" just short of a year later.

Or, you know, you'd be the people most likely to end up like the Bandits, or the St. John's...:D

[Death689God]

Red Bull ,Coke, and other processed food manufacturing versus freedom and forced survival or death

Internet and Air Conditioning Vs Survival

Yeah, cause you get good Food and Internet in the pin. NOPE! Only Shivs, shanks, prison gangs, and Soap Dropping await you.

Or, you know, you'd be the people most likely to end up like the Bandits, or the St. John's...:D

Sorry, but preparing for the long haul doesn't mean Raping people. Eventually, the group will have to think about it. You said so yourself... Are you saying your Episode 2 Lee is destined to become a Rapist Cannibal since he's starting to think in the long term?

[CapnJay]

Yeah, cause you get good Food and Internet in the pin. NOPE! Only Shivs, shanks, prison gangs, and Soap Dropping await you.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qH1RLECre7w/T5kZKXn2OAI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/L7xaKBMZhWc/s1600/jackie-chan-wtf.png

I'm comparing life before and after the zombie apocalypse what the hell are you on about?

[Death689God]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qH1RLECre7w/T5kZKXn2OAI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/L7xaKBMZhWc/s1600/jackie-chan-wtf.png

I'm comparing life before and after the zombie apocalypse what the hell are you on about?

I thought you were replying to me, and I was referring the Lee's situation specifically.
You have a tendency to not quote people you're replying to... It gets confusing.

[CapnJay]

I thought you were replying to me, and I was referring the Lee's situation specifically.
You have a tendency to not quote people you're replying to... It gets confusing.

Indeed I do maybe i should quote more just am hesitant to do that because it's alot quicker and easier to quick reply on this piece of fish computer

[Sisterofshane]

Sorry, but preparing for the long haul doesn't mean Raping people. Eventually, the group will have to think about it. You said so yourself... Are you saying your Episode 2 Lee is destined to become a Rapist Cannibal since he's starting to think in the long term?

I am only offering up the two most extreme examples we have seen of people who have put themselves in for the "long haul". I tend to think that people who automatically assume the worst in such situations to be more "extreme" than the rest.

It is the hope that you are so quick to sneer at, by the way, that gives people a reason to act more civilized and not devolve into anarchy. What's the point in keeping our morals if there will never be anything better than today? If you have no hope, why WOULDN'T you act like the bandits and the St. John's?

[CapnJay]

It is time to break out the Fallout three or Fallout new vegas examples for this argument you may start.......


Now.

[Sisterofshane]

It is time to break out the Fallout three or Fallout new vegas examples for this argument you may start.......


Now.

Haven't played either of them.

[CapnJay]

Haven't played either of them.

it's about post apocalyptic societies attempting to rebuild. new vegas had two diffrent warring factions The guys who were using ancient roman tactics and the guys who wanted modern law and order and bureaucracy and society

[Death689God]

Haven't played either of them.

I have, but back to the point before. There's a difference between hope and fools hope. If you're in it for the long haul, that is to say you're planning for future generations as well, it's natural to have some hope humanity will make it through. The Saint John's and Bandits ARE NOT in it for the long haul. They're very short term, day to day, survival instinct based. They're prepared to live, but they're not long term strategists. (The Saint John's never even keep women around to continue on the family line, and the Bandits have been shown to turn on eachother for the simplest of reasons)

Just because the army won't come in and put things back to the way they were with magic, doesn't mean civilization dies. It simply means civilization as it was does. Tribal civilizations (Zulu, Apache, Celts, etc.) all had Civilization, perhaps not civilized by our standards. But they're a lot closer to what the people of this new world will need... Survivalism, Brutality, Cold-Logic, this doesn't mean you can't be civilized. It just means what you consider "civilized" has to change, as it always has. Civilization is a product of humanity, not the other way around, it changes when we will it to.

[Death689God]

it's about post apocalyptic societies attempting to rebuild. new vegas had two diffrent warring factions The guys who were using ancient roman tactics and the guys who wanted modern law and order and bureaucracy and society

All three of them sucked, I went Wildcard. :P
Would have gone Legion if it weren't for the Sexism.

[Rommel49]

Bad for Georgia does not necessarily mean bad EVERYWHERE. It's clear that the underlying message is that there is still hope for "rescue" from some outside entity. I think it's harder to view it that way as a player though, seeing as how we know we are only in the first episode of a five part story (couple this with anyone who knows about the Walking Dead universe from the show or the comics, and I can see where a lot of people get on with creating their new world order :)). If it was a true disaster, most people wouldn't give up hope after only a few days.

To put it bluntly, if I had to make the decision in episode two, I would probably have been more inclined to be thinking about repopulation than in episode one. As it was, I saw Doug being pulled out of a window by several walkers, and Carley was grabbed by the ankle by one Walker. I definitely thought Doug needed more help.

That's why I said that at a minimum the information we have access to gives us a pretty big clue the problem is atleast statewide, simply based on the distance between Savannah and Atlanta.

However, one could reasonably infer that the infection crossed state borders as well:

The quarantine in Savannah was unsuccessful, Savannah not only has an airport, it has access to the sea. It's also not far from South Carolina.

The lack of apparent military involvement at this point would be a pretty big clue as well that things are looking grim. Georgia's home to Ft. Benning, one of the largest military bases in the nation (incidentally, where I went for basic). Benning's not that far from Atlanta from what I remember; the fact we don't see much in the way of any sort of real military presence near the biggest city in the state implies they already failed (somehow) and couldn't deploy in force to aid the rest of the state.

A good chunk of the characters seem to have some indication the situation could potentially last longer than a few days or get worse, Carley brings up the possibility when she confronts Lee about his past and it being potentially detrimental to the group. Kenny's plan to retreat to his boat is predicated on the situation getting worse.

[CapnJay]

I have, but back to the point before. There's a difference between hope and fools hope. If you're in it for the long haul, that is to say you're planning for future generations as well, it's natural to have some hope humanity will make it through. The Saint John's and Bandits ARE NOT in it for the long haul. They're very short term, day to day, survival instinct based. They're prepared to live, but they're not long term strategists. (The Saint John's never even keep women around to continue on the family line, and the Bandits have been shown to turn on eachother for the simplest of reasons)

Just because the army won't come in and put things back to the way they were with magic, doesn't mean civilization dies. It simply means civilization as it was does. Tribal civilizations (Zulu, Apache, Celts, etc.) all had Civilization, perhaps not civilized by our standards. But they're a lot closer to what the people of this new world will need... Survivalism, Brutality, Cold-Logic, this doesn't mean you can't be civilized. It just means what you consider "civilized" has to change, as it always has. Civilization is a product of humanity, not the other way around, it changes when we will it to.

i'd like to see or read i should say your idea of the next civilization since each one builds on the achievements of the past and becomes greater then the one before it. But with the walker "virus" not having been cured.

[Death689God]

That's why I said that at a minimum the information we have access to gives us a pretty big clue the problem is atleast statewide, simply based on the distance between Savannah and Atlanta.

However, one could reasonably infer that the infection crossed state borders as well:

The quarantine in Savannah was unsuccessful, Savannah not only has an airport, it has access to the sea. It's also not far from South Carolina.

The lack of apparent military involvement at this point would be a pretty big clue as well that things are looking grim. Georgia's home to Ft. Benning, one of the largest military bases in the nation (incidentally, where I went for basic). Benning's not that far from Atlanta from what I remember, the fact we don't see much in the way of any sort of real military presence near the biggest city in the state implies they already failed (somehow) and couldn't deploy in force to aid the rest of the state.

A good chunk of the characters seem to have some indication the situation could potentially last longer than a few days or get worse, Carley brings up the possibility when she confronts Lee about his past and it being potentially detrimental to the group. Kenny's plan to retreat to his boat is predicated on the situation getting worse.

Good Catch.

[Death689God]

i'd like to see or read i should say your idea of the next civilization since each one builds on the achievements of the past and becomes greater then the one before it. But with the walker "virus" not having been cured.

That'll take me a while to write out and I don't feel particularly inspired to write it right now. (In debate mode) So you might have to wait till the morrow.

[CapnJay]

All three of them sucked, I went Wildcard. :P
Would have gone Legion if it weren't for the Sexism.

A female Courier working for the Legion is the best playthrough you'll ever get. for one scene in Lonesome Road


Ulysses: Used to be You had to have a weapon between your legs to wield one for the legion.
Female Courier: Is that why you quit?
Ulysses: What do you... Oh you've got Spirit you better save it for the Divide.

[Death689God]

A female Courier working for the Legion is the best playthrough you'll ever get. for one scene in Lonesome Road


Ulysses: Used to be You had to have a weapon between your legs to wield one for the legion.
Female Courier: Is that why you quit?
Ulysses: What do you... Oh you've got Spirit you better save it for the Divide.

I always wondered if going Female Legion would change the Sexism aspect in the long haul... Might give it a try. But let's get back on track.

[Sisterofshane]

it's about post apocalyptic societies attempting to rebuild. new vegas had two diffrent warring factions The guys who were using ancient roman tactics and the guys who wanted modern law and order and bureaucracy and society

I know the general idea of what they're about, I just have to be a little choosey about what games I get to play. Tight budgets and time constraints, being the working mom of a two year old!

And @Death689God, you've kind of contradicted yourself countering the point I was trying to make. Brutality? I'm pretty sure that means the opposite of civilized. Besides, the point I was trying to make wasn't that the apocalypse means that society will or won't die - just that within such a short time frame, there really is no reason to assume (unless you're religiously inclined to believe that the dead only come back during this time) that this IS the apocalypse. You want to believe that just because you're looking beyond tomorrow that you are more correct or more apt to survive? Be my guest. To me it's not the sole criterion for choosing who's life I will save (Guess I should feel sorry for Carley, as apparently one of the primary reasons she gets to live is that she is a baby-maker!:p).

Maybe I'm feelin' this way because I don't play a lot of zombie games, nor do I watch zombie movies or TV shows. Heck, I didn't even know about the Walking Dead until my husband suggested that it was the type of game I might like.

and @ Rommel, One thing I've always considered is that when a major disaster DOES strike, to not count on a quick or timely rescue effort from the government. Even here in CA we're told to have supplies handy for all members of your family for at least a week, and I double that to two weeks just to be safe! So from my point of view, less than a week really isn't enough time to consider outside intervention as "hopeless". I definitely would have abandoned this mindset sometime between episodes one and two.

[Death689God]

I know the general idea of what they're about, I just have to be a little choosey about what games I get to play. Tight budgets and time constraints, being the working mom of a two year old!

And @Death689God, you've kind of contradicted yourself countering the point I was trying to make. Brutality? I'm pretty sure that means the opposite of civilized. Besides, the point I was trying to make wasn't that the apocalypse means that society will or won't die - just that within such a short time frame, there really is no reason to assume (unless you're religiously inclined to believe that the dead only come back during this time) that this IS the apocalypse. You want to believe that just because you're looking beyond tomorrow that you are more correct or more apt to survive? Be my guest. To me it's not the sole criterion for choosing who's life I will save (Guess I should feel sorry for Carley, as apparently one of the primary reasons she gets to live is that she is a baby-maker!:p).

Maybe I'm feelin' this way because I don't play a lot of zombie games, nor do I watch zombie movies or TV shows. Heck, I didn't even know about the Walking Dead until my husband suggested that it was the type of game I might like.

Yeah, the part I put in Bold really makes a big difference. But we call it the "Apocalypse", not because of any religious connotations, but because it's a word that sums up "The World has just been dashed and thrashed in such a manner it'll never be the same again" A way to say the world's ended, but not really. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZombieApocalypse

Also, you don't really have any Idea what civilized means do you? If you did you'd see there was no contradiction at all (Prepare for a Rant of Colossal Proportions): It means having civilization, and civilization takes on many forms. As with the examples I mentioned, the Zulu, Apache, and Celts were some very brutal people. (Hell the Celts kept heads of fallen enemies outside their home.) The way You're using "civilized", as in a comparative way to other cultures, is really one of the most absurd things you can do. That practice basically started with Greeks and Romans, the term "barbarian" comes from the Romans thinking Non-Romans spoke like this "Barbabrbabrbbar". It's basically like saying "Ching Chang Chong" when talking about Asians. Throughout history whole societies, and even races, were considered "Uncivilized". (Remaining "Civilized" is one of the reasons the end of slavery took so long) It's basically Cultural Tool Waving, whose tool is bigger and can please the most ladies? Anyone that doesn't conform to the persons sense of culture is "Uncivilized", as you can imagine this comes with some Unfortunate Implications. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ValuesDissonance

IMO, using "Civilized" the way you do is in itself Uncivilized. :P

[CapnJay]

I know the general idea of what they're about, I just have to be a little choosey about what games I get to play. Tight budgets and time constraints, being the working mom of a two year old!



If you don't mind used games you can try Glyde. that helps with the budget issues the time and motherhood think well ::shrug::

[Sisterofshane]

Yeah, the part I put in Bold really makes a big difference. But we call it the "Apocalypse", not because of any religious connotations, but because it's a word that sums up "The World has just been dashed and thrashed in such a manner it'll never be the same again" A way to say the world's ended, but not really. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZombieApocalypse

Also, you don't really have any Idea what civilized means do you? If you did you'd see there was no contradiction at all (Prepare for a Rant of Colossal Proportions): It means having civilization, and civilization takes on many forms. As with the examples I mentioned, the Zulu, Apache, and Celts were some very brutal people. (Hell the Celts kept heads of fallen enemies outside their home.) The way You're using "civilized", as in a comparative way to other cultures, is really one of the most absurd things you can do. That practice basically started with Greeks and Romans, the term "barbarian" comes from the Romans thinking Non-Romans spoke like this "Barbabrbabrbbar". It's basically like saying "Ching Chang Chong" when talking about Asians. Throughout history whole societies, and even races, were considered "Uncivilized". (Remaining "Civilized" is one of the reasons the end of slavery took so long) It's basically Cultural Tool Waving, whose tool is bigger and can please the most ladies? Anyone that doesn't conform to the persons sense of culture is "Uncivilized", as you can imagine this comes with some Unfortunate Implications. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications

IMO, using "Civilized" the way you do is in itself Uncivilized. :P

Thanks for the rant, but I'm pretty sure the dictionary disagrees with you. The term "civilized" is used in a manner to describe what is essentially, a more "advanced society". Yes, the word "civilization" is different from "civilized", even though one derives meaning from the other. So go ahead and pull your red herring and compare me to some sort of vile racist (if it suits your ad hominem so well), but don't tell me that I used the meaning of the word wrong. Let me instead point out the word I used to contrast it with, and why I felt you were being contradictory.

You used the word "brutality"...were you NOT just trying to point out being a "long term survivor" didn't necessarily mean that you would end up like the bandits or the St. john's? I brought up "civilized" to prove my point that you are a stone's throw from becoming anarchaeic cannibals...something with which you whole heartedly deny. So what is it, exactly? That our society as we know and define it survives, or we become much more akin to our less technologically advanced members, who still do practice such things as rape, cannibalism, tribal warfare and the like?

[Death689God]

Thanks for the rant, but I'm pretty sure the dictionary disagrees with you. The term "civilized" is used in a manner to describe what is essentially, a more "advanced society". Yes, the word "civilization" is different from "civilized", even though one derives meaning from the other. So go ahead and pull your red herring and compare me to some sort of vile racist (if it suits your ad hominem so well), but don't tell me that I used the meaning of the word wrong. Let me instead point out the word I used to contrast it with, and why I felt you were being contradictory.

You used the word "brutality"...were you NOT just trying to point out being a "long term survivor" didn't necessarily mean that you would end up like the bandits or the St. john's? I brought up "civilized" to prove my point that you are a stone's throw from becoming anarchaeic cannibals...something with which you whole heartedly deny. So what is it, exactly? That our society as we know and define it survives, or we become much more akin to our less technologically advanced members, who still do practice such things as rape, cannibalism, tribal warfare and the like?
Culture & Society are Civilization, and while it does say advanced there's no set criteria for what is advanced. My message wasn't "you're a racist", it's "you're playing the "my culture is better than all other cultures" card" and I used the Stupid racism of a yesteryear, and roman Xenophobia to explain how dodgy a situation that is to be in. All you're doing is comparing other societies, cultures, *cough*civilizations*cough*, to your own and all the while deciding what you think think makes on qualified as being advanced.

Brutality can mean a lot of things, for example: Killing the Saint John's brothers. While I'd be against Rape, and Cannibalism is sort of pointless survival tactics in a landscape where everyone that dies becomes a rotten corpse, I'd still say what survives would be closer to the examples I listed than the "Innocent until proven guilty", Democracy Driven, Politically Correct, Seat Belts and Food Stamps society we live in.

If you're not willing to do the dirty work to ensure future generations come about, you die off. Being a Soccer Mom during the Zombie Apocalypse just gets you the Chomp. You die, your people die, and all of that good old fashioned American home values you've been fighting for die with you. Good Job, you've left the future in the hands of the Bandits instead of becoming Necessary Evil, "retain some Morality where it won't get us killed" 3rd option... Congratulations, your entire genetic line has been wiped out. Hope you're happy Sister. :p

PS: Go look up civilization in the Dictionary as well.

[Sisterofshane]

Seriously, there is no reason to get so personal. This is spiraling down into a "you don't know jack about ________". If you had taken the time to get to know me and my responses here, I'm pretty sure you'd realize that I am anything but those typical stereotypes you put up there.

And because I refuse to indulge in anger fests on the internet (it's so bad for your blood pressure), I think we're done here.

[Death689God]

Seriously, there is no reason to get so personal. This is spiraling down into a "you don't know jack about ________". If you had taken the time to get to know me and my responses here, I'm pretty sure you'd realize that I am anything but those typical stereotypes you put up there.

And because I refuse to indulge in anger fests on the internet (it's so bad for your blood pressure), I think we're done here.

You're right, I don't know enough about you to make it personally fit you. But I threw those examples up because they're common, and you get the jist of what I'm saying, and that is: If you can't adapt to the new environment, you die. if you die, nothing you were fighting to preserve matters anymore.

You say it's an anger fest, but I clearly put a light hearted ribbing ":P" face at the end. But sure, you can run away from my points under the saying it's getting too personal, while in the same breath saying I don't know enough about you to make it personal, if you'd like... But yeah, you might be done, but just remember "we" aren't done until both parties are. One can, very well, just keep on typing one sided rants until they get everything they think they can say out. Then they're done. :p

(Oh noes, it's the P face of seriousness and rage again! XD)

[Sisterofshane]

You're right, I don't know enough about you to make it personally fit you. But I threw those examples up because they're common, and you get the jist of what I'm saying, and that is: If you can't adapt to the new environment, you die. if you die, nothing you were fighting to preserve matters anymore.

You say it's an anger fest, but I clearly put a light hearted ribbing ":P" face at the end. But sure, you can run away from my points under the saying it's getting too personal, while in the same breath saying I don't know enough about you to make it personal, if you'd like.

LOL, you TRIED to make it personal and failed. The anger fest would have been mine, if I cared.

[Death689God]

LOL, you TRIED to make it personal and failed. The anger fest would have been mine, if I cared.

I tried to make it feel personal, I can't try to make it actually personal without relevant information. The difference being one puts you in a relevant situation, the other puts you in your situation.

Once again, you seem to be running from the point I was making. I take it as admitting defeat. If it really were just about it becoming too personal, you wouldn't have replied to my last post...

PS: saying I'm getting to personal and ignoring otherwise valid points is the very heart and soul of the Ad Hominem Fallacy.

[Rommel49]

I know the general idea of what they're about, I just have to be a little choosey about what games I get to play. Tight budgets and time constraints, being the working mom of a two year old!

And @Death689God, you've kind of contradicted yourself countering the point I was trying to make. Brutality? I'm pretty sure that means the opposite of civilized. Besides, the point I was trying to make wasn't that the apocalypse means that society will or won't die - just that within such a short time frame, there really is no reason to assume (unless you're religiously inclined to believe that the dead only come back during this time) that this IS the apocalypse. You want to believe that just because you're looking beyond tomorrow that you are more correct or more apt to survive? Be my guest. To me it's not the sole criterion for choosing who's life I will save (Guess I should feel sorry for Carley, as apparently one of the primary reasons she gets to live is that she is a baby-maker!:p).

Maybe I'm feelin' this way because I don't play a lot of zombie games, nor do I watch zombie movies or TV shows. Heck, I didn't even know about the Walking Dead until my husband suggested that it was the type of game I might like.

and @ Rommel, One thing I've always considered is that when a major disaster DOES strike, to not count on a quick or timely rescue effort from the government. Even here in CA we're told to have supplies handy for all members of your family for at least a week, and I double that to two weeks just to be safe! So from my point of view, less than a week really isn't enough time to consider outside intervention as "hopeless". I definitely would have abandoned this mindset sometime between episodes one and two.

It depends on the form of disaster - we're not talking about a Hurricane or Earthquake where you're waiting on guys like Engineers to rebuild infrastructure or FEMA to hand out blankets, supplies, etc. Hell, I'm not even talking about rescue. We're essentially looking at an invasion in this scenario. You're looking at the deployment of combat troops the instant there's reports that crazy folks have effectively conquered a major city. Getting boots on the ground in that sort of scenario occurs within the same day, not weeks, particularly when one of the main infantry training centers of the country is within 3 hours of it.

As I said, my motivation in saving Carley over Doug was that she had simply demonstrated herself to be more useful at that point, in addition to the fact she had the only firearm in the group. By the same token, it's why Duck's dead last on my list of priorities until/unless he shows something resembling usefulness.

As the saying goes, "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst". Even short term, a good chunk of the values we hold dear in the U.S. will need to go out the window, simply because we'd no longer be able to afford them. In general, things are going to become a lot more harsh just out of necessity. We're looking at a situation where if some shmuck steals your food stocks, they could very well be condemning you and those you care about to death... and incarcerating the guy isn't a realistic option, which leaves either just letting him go, or killing him.

[Demopan]

This has to be the longest, most drawn-out, pointless off-topic argument I've ever seen in any thread ever. *grabs popcorn* Please continue *munch munch munch*

[NessaT]

This has to be the longest, most drawn-out, pointless off-topic argument I've ever seen in any thread ever. *grabs popcorn* Please continue *munch munch munch*

I've seen worse. This is still quite alright - although, my eyes tend to glaze over when faced with a wall of words.

In other news, Carley all the way!

[fanganga]

What I find interesting is that a lot of us make the Doug/Carley decision based on a utilitarian/survivalist consideration of who's more useful (I know I did - I chose Carley because I figured being able to reliably headshot a zombie on top of a fellow survivor was a more useful skill than reprogramming a universal remote, and forgot that Carley said Doug had saved her from the walkers earlier), and yet the dev team didn't seem to make that an option when the survivor asks how you made your choice.

[Rommel49]

What I find interesting is that a lot of us make the Doug/Carley decision based on a utilitarian/survivalist consideration of who's more useful (I know I did - I chose Carley because I figured being able to reliably headshot a zombie on top of a fellow survivor was a more useful skill than reprogramming a universal remote, and forgot that Carley said Doug had saved her from the walkers earlier), and yet the dev team didn't seem to make that an option when the survivor asks how you made your choice.

Pretty much, though I wouldn't tell the person I saved that anyway. Probably wouldn't inspire trust to tell somebody you only saved them because they're a better tool than the person you let get eaten.

A much better example would be the Irene choice, particularly if you didn't give her the gun. "Why didn't you just give it to her?", "Because I wasn't about to give the only gun our group has to some nutty stranger, you really can't see how that could have gone terribly wrong for us?". Had absolutely nothing to do with morals or what have you.

[fanganga]

Yeah, I get that it wouldn't be the optimal choice, but the lack of an option and a "damn that's cold" response kind of stood out. I guess you're coming from the perspective that someone calculating enough to choose who to save based on usefulness would also be calculating enough to avoid brutal honesty when talking to the survivor.

As for Irene, there was at least a coldly practical dialogue option - "I wanted to save the bullet", IIRC, although by avoiding the other risks you mention it does make Lee seem far more ruthless than your option. When I came to that decision point, I was worried about the noise and planning to use the axe - but in hindsight, I don't think any of the trio would be so far into zombie apocalypse mode as to chop up a living person who was *probably* going to turn.

[Rommel49]

Yeah, I get that it wouldn't be the optimal choice, but the lack of an option and a "damn that's cold" response kind of stood out. I guess you're coming from the perspective that someone calculating enough to choose who to save based on usefulness would also be calculating enough to avoid brutal honesty when talking to the survivor.

As for Irene, there was at least a coldly practical dialogue option - "I wanted to save the bullet", IIRC, although by avoiding the other risks you mention it does make Lee seem far more ruthless than your option. When I came to that decision point, I was worried about the noise and planning to use the axe - but in hindsight, I don't think any of the trio would be so far into zombie apocalypse mode as to chop up a living person who was *probably* going to turn.

Basically. There's just no way to phrase what is essentially "because I can use you" that's going to make you seem remotely trustworthy, especially under the circumstances. Even if you're thinking it, there's no real upside (and quite a few downsides) to saying it... unless you want to be seen as a complete bastard by the people you're living with. :p

More or less. I think shooting her yourself should've been a valid option; hell, she brings it up herself "Then do it for me!", and it's less ambiguous as a "moral" choice.

[zenstrata]

Carley or .. who?

There is some guy named Doug in this game? O_O

Ohhhh, you mean the random guy who had programming his tv remote memorized and became zombie chow in act 1 by intelligently leaning up against a window full of zombies. ;)

[Demopan]

It's a shame Doug got very little in episode 1. His character really starts to shine in episode 2, and Carley offers little in episode 2 in the way of being interesting.

[CapnJay]

It's a shame Doug got very little in episode 1. His character really starts to shine in episode 2, and Carley offers little in episode 2 in the way of being interesting.

Turnabout is fair play.

[The_Ripper]

Carley or .. who?

There is some guy named Doug in this game? O_O

Ohhhh, you mean the random guy who had programming his tv remote memorized and became zombie chow in act 1 by intelligently leaning up against a window full of zombies. ;)

Don't forget that it's the guy who asked over and over again if did you want to have a look outside the drugstore. :D

He loved zombies.

[ozzmann]

I've seen worse. This is still quite alright - although, my eyes tend to glaze over when faced with a wall of words.

In other news, Carley all the way!

Ha Ha Well said Nessa, I try to keep my posts about a paragraph long. Some people however, write a small book!:D

[NessaT]

Ha Ha Well said Nessa, I try to keep my posts about a paragraph long. Some people however, write a small book!:D

Hahaha... I know, right? Sometimes I try to sit in and listen to both sides - but sometimes I just give up because the entire discussion is basically going:-

A: "I'm right, you're stupid".
B: "No, you're stupid".
A: (rinse, lather, repeat)

[Master of Aeons]

Hahaha... I know, right? Sometimes I try to sit in and listen to both sides - but sometimes I just give up because the entire discussion is basically going:-

A: "I'm right, you're stupid".
B: "No, you're stupid".
A: (rinse, lather, repeat)

That's not what's happening. If you were really reading the thread, you'd know that, idiot.

[NessaT]

I'm not talking about this thread specifically.

[Master of Aeons]

I'm not talking about this thread specifically.

What? I'm not stupid, you are!

[Sisterofshane]

Hahaha... I know, right? Sometimes I try to sit in and listen to both sides - but sometimes I just give up because the entire discussion is basically going:-

A: "I'm right, you're stupid".
B: "No, you're stupid".
A: (rinse, lather, repeat)

There's a reason I choose to bow out gracefully. I usually try to avoid fighting like I'm back in elementary school.:D

[NessaT]

There's a reason I choose to bow out gracefully. I usually try to avoid fighting like I'm back in elementary school.:D

Yeah, I can see you did. *salutes you* :)

[CapnJay]

i'm still waiting on Death's thread about his vision of the next society after the walkers destroy ours and we build anew...

and then rommel and sister tearing his logic apart

[Master of Aeons]

Sisterofshane is good with a sound, organized argument. Too bad it's lost on a lot of people here.

[NessaT]

i'm still waiting on Death's thread about his vision of the next society after the walkers destroy ours and we build anew...

and then rommel and sister tearing his logic apart

Well, since sister saw no point in responding, he has claimed victory over the matter in this thread.

So... who knows? He just might start something again.

[MakersWax]

Doug also has a better voice actor. Sorry Carley, you were breaking immersion with your stilted intonation. So I let your face get gnawed.

[PeopleSandwich]

A much better example would be the Irene choice, particularly if you didn't give her the gun. "Why didn't you just give it to her?", "Because I wasn't about to give the only gun our group has to some nutty stranger, you really can't see how that could have gone terribly wrong for us?". Had absolutely nothing to do with morals or what have you.

This is a damn good point.

I knew from my knowledge of zombie lore that she was dead either way and I genuinely wouldn't have had an issue with putting her out of her misery- but we had just spent 15 minutes sneaking around quietly to avoid attracting more walkers, and she was clearly in a bad emotional state.

I'd have liked to have been able to say to her "no, we can't risk giving up this gun to a stranger and we can't take the risk of the gunshot attracting walkers- sorry", rather than "we can't let you do that to yourself".

[Sisterofshane]

This is a damn good point.

I knew from my knowledge of zombie lore that she was dead either way and I genuinely wouldn't have had an issue with putting her out of her misery- but we had just spent 15 minutes sneaking around quietly to avoid attracting more walkers, and she was clearly in a bad emotional state.

I'd have liked to have been able to say to her "no, we can't risk giving up this gun to a stranger and we can't take the risk of the gunshot attracting walkers- sorry", rather than "we can't let you do that to yourself".

I don't know, it still seems pretty heartless to break it down like that. The girl already knows she is going to die, let's go ahead and add insult to injury and tell her she's not worth it? Who would want to travel with you knowing that, if they were bitten, that you would think that their merciful end wouldn't be worth the bullet to you?

Also, Glenn (back at the drug store) is in a fragile emotional state. When he asks you about giving her the gun, he is looking for confirmation that, like Lee can say, "We CAN'T give up".

[SteveTheBox]

Personally i was thinking of saving Carley after watching a walkthrough "I didn't have the game yet" but then since I saw the player save Carley, I actually wanted to see what happens when i save Doug, turns out Doug is my Ideal character to keep.
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1. He's an IT tech and he made an alarm system and could make an electric fence
2. He's a pretty funny character, eating the biscuits, when Ben's unsure about the path.
3. He's based on a real person, based on Telltale's IT staff as i heard
4. He has a bad ass laser pointer that saved my ass
5. He looks cool in Episode 2
6. Also I like his voice

[Milosuperspesh]

https://www.facebook.com/SaveCarley

:D

[Thugnasty28]

Because you can't repopulate the earth in five episodes, I saved Doug too. He's a real mensch in the 2nd episode too, very happy I kept him.

lol nice

[Insane Guy of Doom]

I saved Doug because Carley still had her gun. They should have made it more clear it wasn't loaded though, I didn't figure that out until reading this thread.

[ommmnomnomnom]

Carley saves Clem if you choose not to, she helps Lee decide who to give food to, she wants him as leader, she's a sharpshooter, she tries to calm group arguements, on the flipside she knows about the past, as soon as she runs out of bullets she can't walk a few steps to the right, she is baffled by a radio, yet can operate a firearms...doug has saved carley before so we hear, he sorts out the key problem, he mAkes an early warning system and will pr

[ommmnomnomnom]

Carley saves Clem if you choose not to, she helps Lee decide who to give food to, she wants him as leader, she's a sharpshooter, she tries to calm group arguements, on the flipside she knows about the past, as soon as she runs out of bullets she can't walk a few steps to the right, she is baffled by a radio, yet can operate a firearms...doug has saved carley before so we hear, he sorts out the key problem, he mAkes an early warning system and will prObably make an electric fence for homebase, he does much the food after initially denying it, he tries valiantly to save you from the guy in the beartrap/dude who got shot, his laserpen...his heart is in the rightplace but he seems a bit useless, maybe an unexpected hero, I reckon, but I hope it's not as generic as this, but maybe doug/carley will sacrifice themselves to save Lee/Clem while screaming, go on without me or this is payback...I dunno eitherway somebodys got to die, if I go you got to go, somebody's got to die, let the gun shots blow, somebody's got to die, nobody got to know that I killed yo ass in the mist bitch!

[Phantom Command]

Carley comes out of her shell more in Ep 2 whereas Doug seems to go into his, maybe they will reverse roles in Ep 3 and Doug would be more vocal than Carly.

In my first play through I chose Carly due to the talking dead guy, can’t remember his name said he was modelled on his friend which is kind of cool but I’m not a fan off the friends with benefits cameo in games, that being said I do like Doug’s character I just wish he had more to do in Ep 2

[CapnJay]

It seems like TTG is asking

Do you want the Sexy Zombie Apocalypse? {Carley}

or the Funny Zombie Apocalypse? {Doug}

Since Doug seems more the comic relief then anything

Brenda: Here take some biscuits
Lee: the baskets empty
Doug: omnomnomnom

[Milosuperspesh]

It seems like TTG is asking

Do you want the Sexy Zombie Apocalypse? {Carley}

or the Funny Zombie Apocalypse? {Doug}

Since Doug seems more the comic relief then anything

Brenda: Here take some biscuits
Lee: the baskets empty
Doug: omnomnomnom, (pauses to look at everyone staring at him) sorry...

added a bit ;)

[AceStarr]

The good points:

carley {good shot, glock 17,sexy,brave,wants you to lead}

doug {it tech, nerdy,comic relief,comes up with detection system}

The bad points:

Carley{knows my secret,no more glock 17 bullets}

Doug {is he truly loyal?,can he shoot a gun? }

Seems like you cant lose with either choice but i do like the girl with the gun but i lost my save. So i ended up having to do computer playthough and the system choose doug for me so ima run with it see what happens.

[Milosuperspesh]

The good points:

carley {good shot, glock 17,sexy,brave,wants you to lead}

doug {it tech, nerdy,comic relief,comes up with detection system}

The bad points:

Carley{knows my secret,no more glock 17 bullets}

Doug {is he truly loyal?,can he shoot a gun? }

Seems like you cant lose with either choice but i do like the girl with the gun but i lost my save. So i ended up having to do computer playthough and the system choose doug for me so ima run with it see what happens.

your forgot to mention

doug eats half of the bread buns from the brenda's basket, he uses morse code with a lazer pointer...

carley doesn't think to kerb stomp zombies going for her ankles, she craves ice cream when faced with impending death. plus the whole battery thang..
but she more of a looker than lilly..

[CapnJay]

In Episode three when Lily and Carley hook up everyone who picked Carley as a romantic interest's minds will be blown

[Baalthazaar]

As I recall Doug vaguely started hitting on me in the store which dropped him to last-in-line to be saved.

Plus I love Carley, she's so gloomy and practical about group politics. I cannot resist it.

[Zeruis]

In Episode three when Lily and Carley hook up everyone who picked Carley as a romantic interest's minds will be blown

Ha. I'd love for this to happen, be it in episode 3 or 4.

[kienrock]

Who went with you to save Glenn?- Carley.
Who saved your life/Clem's life? - Carley.
Who can shoot? - Carley.
Most important part - Who's girl?
I dont see any reason for saving Doug? IT tech for what, hack zombie Facebook with typewriter?
I saved Carley not even thinking because she saved me.

[pompeiiamgotterdammerung]

they both have their uses.

considering its potentially the end of the world, one would think, as far as survival of the species is concerned, that it would be a given to save women & children first. still gotta have protection though.thats just my opinion.

the pistol, & subsequent seemlingly unlimited ammo in carley's purse, would also seem to support this premise as well.

of course this could also lead to a bad situation. kinda like the latter part of "28 days later".

worst case scenario anyway.

[Cyreen]

I'm a chick, first instinct, I saved the chick - that simple. I saved Dougie in my second game (a laser pointer, really?).

[NessaT]

I saved Dougie in my second game (a laser pointer, really?).

Yes, really. Doug also has cravings for beef jerkies and calls out the name of pies when he's asleep in bed. Imagine how he'd be like when.... sorry. Wrong forum. ;)

But yes, I saved Carley and I don't regret it. She's wise and puts situations into perspective. Hope to see more of her in Episode 3. Will be gutted if she dies.

[Cyreen]

Yes, really. Doug also has cravings for beef jerkies and calls out the name of pies when he's asleep in bed. Imagine how he'd be like when...

I bet he sleeps with his socks on.

[NessaT]

I bet he's bendy.

[GenericMartini]

I wonder if anybody understands that this game is played from Lee's stand point. Yes we get to choose what he says but it's still from Lee's standpoint, in the end does he really want to save someone just for being a girl? That seems quite shallow, dontcha think?

I choose Carley in my first playthrough on the basis that I got to know her better and we did a helluva alot more with Carley than with Doug. Second playthrough I choose Doug and so far I like that playthrough purely on Doug being more obscure but still being useful in certain situations without being able to use a gun.

[MaconMajr]

I wouldn't just save Carley because she's a girl.

She's proven to remain cool under pressure, an excellent shot, a good source of morale and takes no crap from anyone. Plus, in the first episode she's proven herself worthy (batteries notwithstanding).

Even though she knows Lee's secret, I would trust her and glad to have her watch my back for the group anytime.

[Web Head]

Lol don't expect Lee to have sexual intercourse with Carley so don't be that fast and choose.

[Milosuperspesh]

carley has more likes than doug on facebook now ;)

reckon thats your answer right there !

[MaconMajr]

Lol don't expect Lee to have sexual intercourse with Carley so don't be that fast and choose.
Unfortunately, I DON'T think about sex when in a zombie apocalyptic scenario

I choose Carley because she's reliable and trustworthy, end of story

[Cyreen]

I wonder if anybody understands that this game is played from Lee's stand point.

I am Lee, Lee is me... and you and him and her...

I love how everyone has these well considered reasons for why they choose who they did. Did everyone pause their game? First time through, it's pure instinct as to who you choose while you scramble for an active point to help the character. In my case it was the girl with the gun because once I helped her she could help herself and then maybe I'd have the option to help Doug.

[amira.amoora]

The first saved game slot, I picked Doug. All because I didn't know where to look to pick Carley. On the second slot, I picked carley. IMO the two have are both useful. Happy gaming!

[SwordOfWar]

I saved Doug because Carley had a gun available to her.

If she couldn't handle a few zombies while having access to a handgun then she was useless anyway.

Doug seems like a very resourceful guy and may develop more goodies like the alarm trip he made in Episode 2.

[strela]

I went for carley because she saved me and clem twice. Picked doug in the second playthrough.

[ZombieBlaster]

Please tell me your opinion.

[Milosuperspesh]

heck even the queens knights maybe beating save doug lol

[Reivur]

The part that bothered me about this choice was how needless either death was. I'm AOK with a choice that involves choosing Carley or Doug, but the way it was facilitated just made it seem like saving both would be pretty easy. A lot of this has to do with Carley's purse.

Previously Clementine has: Ran from her treehouse and got you a hammer for a babysitter, all of this which was her own initiative to a stranger she had never met before. And, when pressured/asked by Lee to find something, got his father's cane.

Between Clementine's free hands while she's shaking like a leaf over what's happening (When its just as scary as the other events that transpired), to Lee who knew to utilize/get Clementine to get things, I could never quite get where the option was to just have Clementine toss Carley's purse to her while Lee helped Doug. If Clementine previously was too afraid to do these kinds of actions, then sure, it'd be fair, she's a little kid. And if Lee didn't already have a history of asking her to do things during dangerous situations when his hands are busy, then likewise, but this just seemed a little off.

So the choice is fine, the execution seemed a little awkward. Its no wonder there's a couple cases of people being confused at Carley's problem.

Also team Carley for me. She saved Kenny and his Family, Lee, and Clementine in the streets, was willing to save either Lee/Clementine AGAIN, and went to the Glenn thing. She also tries to put out the fires in their social dynamics of screaming at one another. Meanwhile Doug is a smart introvert with an awkward skill-set.

The number one cited reason I see people say they didn't save Carley is because she derped in a highly stressful environment over batteries during a rest period rather than her knowing his history. You know, after she's saved your life twice. That is astonishingly cold to me. It wasn't even about the fact that she could save my life again-- its about me owing a life debt or two her way.

[Kiel555]

Also team Carley for me. She saved Kenny and his Family, Lee, and Clementine in the streets, was willing to save either Lee/Clementine AGAIN, and went to the Glenn thing. She also tries to put out the fires in their social dynamics of screaming at one another. Meanwhile Doug is a smart introvert with an awkward skill-set.

The number one cited reason I see people say they didn't save Carley is because she derped in a highly stressful environment over batteries during a rest period rather than her knowing his history. You know, after she's saved your life twice. That is astonishingly cold to me. It wasn't even about the fact that she could save my life again-- its about me owing a life debt or two her way.

Outstanding! Well said. I saved Carley too. Welcome to the forum.

[Sir Fruitcakes]

I'd pick Doley

[strela]

I saved Doug because Carley had a gun available to her.

If she couldn't handle a few zombies while having access to a handgun then she was useless anyway.

Doug seems like a very resourceful guy and may develop more goodies like the alarm trip he made in Episode 2.

She was out of ammo wasnt she?

[Cyreen]

She was out of ammo.

[Merc]

"Guys! I'm blocking a window with my spine to make sure an entire wave of zombies don't get through! Don't worry, bros! I got this!"

versus:

"Oh no! My ankle! How did that single zombie know my weakness! I can't shake him off because of me being an idiot and wearing heels in a zombie outbreak! And shooting him is out of the question, because I kept my ammo in a stupid spot! Hnnng!"

I chose the fat man, and have not looked back since. Bro's gotta watch out for one another.

[Moraledilemma]

I saved Carley in my main story because she saved Lee's life twice, she's an expert with a handgun (which remains the only handgun the group has in Ep.2), she continues to trust Lee despite knowing his secret and she goes with Lee to save Glenn. The fact that she was, well, a she didn't even come up in my decision-making :D

[Cyreen]

"...I can't shake him off because of me being an idiot and wearing heels in a zombie outbreak! And shooting him is out of the question, because I kept my ammo in a stupid spot! Hnnng!"

Somehow, I doubt there was a memo, "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are about to have a Zombie Apocalypse. This is not a drill, please consider your footwear carefully." And how is a purse a stupid place to put ammo?

[Merc]

Somehow, I doubt there was a memo, "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are about to have a Zombie Apocalypse. This is not a drill, please consider your footwear carefully." And how is a purse a stupid place to put ammo?

It's at least three days after the outbreaks, probably more. By then, she should realize that running and cardio are the name of the game. Heck, even running around in socks would be a better choice than heels at that point.

As for the ammo, I sure as heck couldn't forget about my pants and leave them on the counter. Leaving clips in a purse is just asking for your supplies to be at a terrible spot at a terrible time.

[thestalkinghead]

It's at least three days after the outbreaks, probably more. By then, she should realize that running and cardio are the name of the game. Heck, even running around in socks would be a better choice than heels at that point.

As for the ammo, I sure as heck couldn't forget about my pants and leave them on the counter. Leaving clips in a purse is just asking for your supplies to be at a terrible spot at a terrible time.

also why was her gun unloaded, i thought the point of having a gun was to shoot things, so why wouldnt it be loaded all the time? it has a safety for safety so why wasn't it loaded?

[Cyreen]

It's at least three days after the outbreaks, probably more. By then, she should realize that running and cardio are the name of the game. Heck, even running around in socks would be a better choice than heels at that point.

As for the ammo, I sure as heck couldn't forget about my pants and leave them on the counter. Leaving clips in a purse is just asking for your supplies to be at a terrible spot at a terrible time.

She was three days out on assignment - it's not like her apartment was around the corner and her purse was just barely out of arms reach. She was certainly better prepared than anyone else there. Just for the record, I can run in heels, most women who wear them regularly can.

also why was her gun unloaded, i thought the point of having a gun was to shoot things, so why wouldnt it be loaded all the time?

Because the gun only holds so many bullets and she already used some (i.e. rescuing Lee's group, killing Clem's zombie, zombie at the motor inn, Irene, and two or three shots when the zombies broke through the barricade).

[thestalkinghead]

Because the gun only holds so many bullets and she already used some (i.e. rescuing Lee's group, killing Clem's zombie, zombie at the motor inn, Irene, and two or three shots when the zombies broke through the barricade).

thats plenty of time to load the gun, unless the other clip she had was the last of the bullets she had there would be no reason she wouldn't have two full clips all the time

[Cyreen]

She wouldn't put another clip in until the first was empty and things got a little busy, fast.

[thestalkinghead]

She wouldn't put another clip in until the first was empty and things got a little busy, fast.

but i mean she should have fully loaded it after irene, in all her spare time while listening to the radio

[Cyreen]

Maybe she did, I'm assuming she didn't (and so are you), but maybe she went through a whole clip between the time the barricade fell and the time Lee had to save her - it's not like the camera was focused on her the whole time to count rounds.

[thestalkinghead]

Maybe she did, I'm assuming she didn't (and so are you), but maybe she went through a whole clip between the time the barricade fell and the time Lee had to save her - it's not like the camera was focused on her the whole time to count rounds.

yeah, i guess i'm just being picky, i know why she had no bullets in her gun really, and that is so we had to save her, but it would have been good to see a legitimate reason she had ran out of bullets

[Kiel555]

thats plenty of time to load the gun, unless the other clip she had was the last of the bullets she had there would be no reason she wouldn't have two full clips all the time

Carley is not a marine or special forces. She did just fine that day, gave 110% effort and to ask for more is not cool.

[thestalkinghead]

Carley is not a marine or special forces. She did just fine that day, gave 110% effort and to ask for more is not cool.

sorry i didnt mean to offend your girlfriend, but this is life or death we are talking about :D

[Cyreen]

Carley is not a marine or special forces.

Yeah! Most marines or special forces can't run in heels, dammit! :p

sorry i didnt mean to offend your girlfriend, but this is life or death we are talking about :D

Whether you choose her or not, she already saved your life at least twice, not to mention covered your ass at the motor inn.

[Kiel555]

sorry i didnt mean to offend your girlfriend, but this is life or death we are talking about :D

He he. I know, you want to know where did all the bullets go. She killed a lot of walkers....in all the excitement..I lost count.

[thestalkinghead]

Whether you choose her or not, she already saved your life at least twice, not to mention covered your ass at the motor inn.

yeah i know but i was just making fun of Kiel555 seemingly personal defence of carley, it was the kind of defence you would say about your own personal friends/partners as in no actual facts just "they tried hard lay off them"

[Master of Aeons]

Women in video games bother me. Carley wears heels in a zombie apocalypse, Rochelle has huge hoop earrings that scream "grab me" on them, and no one ever wears armor. Can anyone write a decently prepared female hero?

[Cyreen]

Lili Zanotto

She can kill you with her brain AND she has army boots.

[Kiel555]

yeah i know but i was just making fun of Kiel555 seemingly personal defence of carley, it was the kind of defence you would say about your own personal friends/partners as in no actual facts just "they tried hard lay off them"

Are you accusing me of being friends..even liking Carley?! Oh wait...that's okay. Nevermind.

All I'm saying is that she's not outfitted like an infantry trooper. You know, with all the pockets, and the vest to carry lots of ammo and magazines. Ofcourse there is no defense for not using high capacity magazines, unless she's from California where they are banned.

If she was better outfitted or if anyone in that group had a gun.....maybe Doug would have lived....nah..he was walker bait from the get go.

[thestalkinghead]

Women in video games bother me. Carley wears heels in a zombie apocalypse, Rochelle has huge hoop earrings that scream "grab me" on them, and no one ever wears armor. Can anyone write a decently prepared female hero?

why women wear heels puzzles me in normal life let alone in a ZA, so only women be able to tell you why they would still wear them in a ZA

[Cyreen]

...maybe Doug would have lived....nah..he was walker bait from the get go.

In all fairness, he did save Carley's ass.

[Master of Aeons]

Lili Zanotto

She can kill you with her brain AND she has army boots.

There's the twist of the game. Lily is not the Lily of The Walking Dead, she's the Lili from Whispering Rock!

why women wear heels puzzles me in normal life let alone in a ZA, so only women be able to tell you why they would still wear them in a ZA

The good news is that though they make clumsy survivors, they quickly turn into COMPLETELY INEPT zombies. "Walkers" isn't really the term.

[Kiel555]

In all fairness, he did save Carley's ass.

True. It was funny when I was playing the game....I think I said "Him?" at just about the same time Lee said "that guy?". Well, you never can tell. I better stop calling Ben walker bait just in case....starting tomorrow.

[thestalkinghead]

The good news is that though they make clumsy survivors, they quickly turn into COMPLETELY INEPT zombies. "Walkers" isn't really the term.

ahh, so it a self sacrificial act to protect the people around her, how honorable :cool:

[Master of Aeons]

Reblog.

[Cyreen]

ahh, so it a self sacrificial act to protect the people around her, how honorable :cool:

You think an ice pick will scramble a brain... ever been hit with a heel?

[thestalkinghead]

You think an ice pick will scramble a brain... ever been hit with a heel?

yeah i guess a heel kick to the head gives you 2 potential zombie kills if you run out of bullets, but carley should have thought of that when we had to save her

[Master of Aeons]

Too bad the last Batman was PG-13.

[Xirsche]

yeah i guess a heel kick to the head gives you 2 potential zombie kills if you run out of bullets, but carley should have thought of that when we had to save her

Um, one zombie had a firm grip on her ankle..what was to happen if she lifted her other foot up and the zombie tried pulling on her? She'd fall back and become zombie bait. Then again, I guess she could kick the zombie away or kick her foot out of its grip then stomp it.

[Hudomonkey]

I chose Doug because he is funny, cool, resourceful and a brilliant inventor with a laser pen
Also no one may know my secret other than Clem because I always act very nicely in front of her.

[Milosuperspesh]

carley isn't wearing heels.. they look more flat to me

[thestalkinghead]

carley isn't wearing heels.. they look more flat to me

yeah you are correct, i probably should have checked before commenting on that

[Master of Aeons]

She isn't? Well, do I have egg on my face.

[Cyreen]

"Oh no! My ankle! How did that single zombie know my weakness! I can't shake him off because of me being an idiot and wearing heels in a zombie outbreak! And shooting him is out of the question, because I kept my ammo in a stupid spot! Hnnng!"

He started it.

[ozzmann]

This may be sexist but I automatically chose Carley because she is a female. I believe it is a man's natural instinct to protect a women. I think that way because most of us (especially the over 30 crowd) were raised with a core belief that women are the weaker sex and therefore more fragile and in need of greater protection. Now I'm not saying I agree with that because I don't, I'm just saying thats how women have been perceived over the years.


P.S.(I also saved her because she has a great rack!!):D

[thestalkinghead]

She isn't? Well, do I have egg on my face.

she isnt wearing practical work boots or anything but they are basically flat, maybe 1-2 inch heel

[Master of Aeons]

This may be sexist but I automatically chose Carley because she is a female. I believe it is a man's natural instinct to protect a women. I think that way because most of us (especially the over 30 crowd) were raised with a core belief that women are the weaker sex and therefore more fragile and in need of greater protection. Now I'm not saying I agree with that because I don't, I'm just saying thats how women have been perceived over the years.


P.S.(I also saved her because she has a great rack!!):D

It's called the Dulcinea Effect.

[Cyreen]

Chivalry is a lost art, unless there's a great rack involved.

she isnt wearing practical work boots or anything but they are basically flat, maybe 1-2 inch heel

Just because you guys can't function in heels...

It really hadn't occurred to me to pack work boots with me daily just in case there's a zombie apocalypse.

[thestalkinghead]

Chivalry is a lost art, unless there's a great rack involved.



Just because you guys can't function in heels...

It really hadn't occurred to me to pack work boots with me daily just in case there's a zombie apocalypse.

are you sure Chivalry wasn't just about great racks any way? :p

i was just being more specific since i had a look at her shoes, i wouldnt expect her to be wearing work boots

[Moraledilemma]

Is now a bad time to point out that Carley actually reloaded after the motor inn? In fact, that's the first thing you see after the camera shifts back to inside the drug store after following that one zombie with the screwdriver in her arm.

[Milosuperspesh]

Is now a bad time to point out that Carley actually reloaded after the motor inn? In fact, that's the first thing you see after the camera shifts back to inside the drug store after following that one zombie with the screwdriver in her arm.

but she did shoot a couple of walkers through the window i think 5 or 6 ?

then she shoots afew more before being grabbed ? so that makes 8 approx

8 i think being the normal clip size for a glock 9mm ?

[Moraledilemma]

but she did shoot a couple of walkers through the window i think 5 or 6 ?

then she shoots afew more before being grabbed ? so that makes 8 approx

8 i think being the normal clip size for a glock 9mm ?

True that, it was more of a response to the people who thought she neglected to reload her gun. Even though I definitely consider myself pro-Carley, I don't get why she didnt carry any extra clips on her person :confused:

[Milosuperspesh]

True that, it was more of a response to the people who thought she neglected to reload her gun. Even though I definitely consider myself pro-Carley, I don't get why she didnt carry any extra clips on her person :confused:

she has no pockets, thats why women carry a hand bag...true some female clothes do have them but they are not practical enough for ammo clips..

that may sound a bit sexist but i didn't mean it to be, honest !

[thestalkinghead]

but she did shoot a couple of walkers through the window i think 5 or 6 ?

then she shoots afew more before being grabbed ? so that makes 8 approx

8 i think being the normal clip size for a glock 9mm ?

did you count or are you making that up, because i dont remember her shooting 5 or 6 zombies, but as i said i dont remember it, zombie kills are like drops of rain i dont bother counting

[Milosuperspesh]

i guessed..

when the walkers attack the pharmacy, carley shoots a few over dougs head and then shoots more when doug goes to the window.

[Cyreen]

...I don't get why she didnt carry any extra clips on her person :confused:

Because contrary to the "great rack" comment, she doesn't actually have that much cleavage.

What about the rest of those mooks? Poor Carley's taking all this crap, but she's the only one that showed up armed.

[xXNinjaScoreXx]

Actually you CAN feed Doug, you have to give him an apple I think.
And I chose Doug over Carly because Doug seems more likable than Carly is, and also he has much more useful traits then just knowing how to use a gun which is useless without ammo.

[Viner16]

TellTale hinted that even though they're dead, the choice will still impact our Lee.

We'll see...

[slayer300876]

wtf is this? Carley new about Lee's past and didnt tell any one, she always gave best advice in any situation, relatively smart about how to deal with situations not just battery wise, besides i dont think battery could be used against her any more sence in episode 2 and 3 she knows how to use them. Doug didnt talk to much so became a more boring character, didnt know about ur past adds on to not wanting to save him. there was a question that said out of all these characters who would u want to be ur 1 ally when the world is full of dead or something, and Carley got 2nd place behind Lee who was in 1st place. Doug had 3% of ppl wanting him i think while Carley had 39%.

[slayer300876]

Actually you CAN feed Doug, you have to give him an apple I think.
And I chose Doug over Carly because Doug seems more likable than Carly is, and also he has much more useful traits then just knowing how to use a gun which is useless without ammo.

and Dougs smarts is useless with out technolagy. ur point is invalid. besides Carley is smarter in Doug in other ways. and Doug is to shady, if i did save him he would of been the 1st i would suspect was stealing supplies right after Ben in episode 3, Carley was the very last 1 i suspected to stealing supplies though.:mad: