[SPOILERS] CARLEY [Ep 3 discussion]

[DawgTheGamer]

I have read some of the comics, I just would like more a chance to have them live.

[Master of Aeons]

#SixSeasonsAndAMovie

[SteveTheBlocks]

You know what, it would actually be nice to see characters come back with a chance of hope you know?
Instead of just following with the comics and staying dead, with no chance of surviving.

[DawgTheGamer]

You know what, it would actually be nice to see characters come back with a chance of hope you know?
Instead of just following with the comics and staying dead, with no chance of surviving.

Exactly that's why at least i want a patch where i can save Carly and Doug from the A-Hole Lily and Ben, oh Ben whats not talk about him, because it will be very uncivil.

[Xarne]

get over it, they're dead, dude. you people couldn't handle the comics.

If this game played like the comics, people would be in therapy
btw I just read #100...omg

[Marleysativa]

Exactly that's why at least i want a patch where i can save Carly and Doug from the A-Hole Lily and Ben, oh Ben whats not talk about him, because it will be very uncivil.

No thanks.

[DreadMagus]

Episode? Nah

Patch them back in? Think about what you're asking for - they'd have to rehire the VA's, create new content, and probably remake episodes 3, 4 and 5 to cover it... Might as well ask them to make a new game.

Next Season? Sure - maybe a cameo showing they've survived.... of course, I have no idea how the bullet hit Doug... is it even possible in his case? Carley... might have survived depending on the point of impact.

[Seath]

We should all get an Eye-Patch-Carley avatar.

[DawgTheGamer]

If this game played like the comics, people would be in therapy

Not the point, and people are more angry that there was no way to save her and how this game so damn linear compared to how they described the game originally.

[DreadMagus]

We should all get an Eye-Patch-Carley avatar.

Don't steal mine :p

Make your own. :p

[DawgTheGamer]

Episode? Nah

Patch them back in? Think about what you're asking for - they'd have to rehire the VA's, create new content, and probably remake episodes 3, 4 and 5 to cover it... Might as well ask them to make a new game.

Next Season? Sure - maybe a cameo showing they've survived.... of course, I have no idea how the bullet hit Doug... is it even possible in his case? Carley... might have survived depending on the point of impact.

Maybe it is to much to ask, but it doesn't hurt to ask and try.

[Xarne]

Not that you mention it, the ending to Moby Dick was kind of a bummer. Let's rewrite that too, pep it up a bit

[DawgTheGamer]

Not that you mention it, the ending to Moby Dick was kind of a bummer. Let's rewrite that too, pep it up a bit

Maybe we should, lol

[Cyreen]

How about Old Yeller? Let's go unshot the dog.

[DawgTheGamer]

How about Old Yeller? Let's go unshot the dog.

Way sadder moment, but lets give it a shot, LOL

[Xarne]

How about Old Yeller? Let's go unshot the dog.

LOL Bravo! I was looking for something like that, but its 3am here, so tired, the whale was the best I had

[DawgTheGamer]

Carley... might have survived depending on the point of impact.

Well if you look close she gets shot close to the eye not dead center so maybe

[DawgTheGamer]

LOL Bravo! I was looking for something like that, but its 3am here, so tired, the whale was the best I had

Ahhh damn I was hoping for more arguing and witty responses on both ends

[Xarne]

ya you know what, lets give it a shot- lets call 911...oh wait! ZA: operators dead
ok maybe we can call for an ambulance...oh wait! ZA: EMS dead

dang.../sadface

[DawgTheGamer]

ya you know what, lets give it a shot- lets call 911...oh wait! ZA: operators dead
ok maybe we can call for an ambulance...oh wait! ZA: EMS dead

dang.../sadface

Well damn i guess we should just give up, oh wait that wouldnt be fun or awesome and here is my response

[Cyreen]

Best scenario, the bullet missed the brain, but she bled out (head wounds are bad for that) and Carley's a walker.

[ajaymailed]

Carley and clementine were the only things that kept me going. Carley certainly was certainly very strong woman, ,made me feel secure, someone i could count on and she was so suddenly shot by kelly. madwomen i dunno why did she do that, this gun toting, pointing anyone whom you hate just can do so much harm.

[Nokando]

The maddest thing by far in all this, has nothing to do with the developers.

I got to the end of the episode, and up came the stats... this was the true shock of the episode for me.

After blowing Carley's brains out, MOST PEOPLE CHOSE TO TAKE LILLY WITH THEM...

That, for me, was unfathomable and unbelievable. Why, people, why??

[Vainamoinen]

That, for me, was unfathomable and unbelievable. Why, people, why??

Execution is normally performed with the person to be executed present.

On a serious note: Because she's wacko. And in the former non-zombie world, people like that deserved our pity.

[N7.]

Carley is dead and it was a good choise

[Xarne]

After blowing Carley's brains out, MOST PEOPLE CHOSE TO TAKE LILLY WITH THEM...

That, for me, was unfathomable and unbelievable. Why, people, why??

Its funny, I saved her because she's still human and we need as many as we can find but at the same time, Ben my man, you are on borrowed time.
Unlike Ben and despite all her flaws, Lily always had the group in mind and I would never have to worry about some bandit drama or the safety of the group as a whole with her

[laurahughes]

You can tell that Christa hasn't stumbled upon a herd. If she had, she would never suggest that :) Being only 2 in a group is a death wish. Either the dead or the living will eventually get you.
The only chance of survival is within a very large group with capable and determined leaders.

A game like this should let you choose whether you want a large group or a small group, hell you could even leave the "missions" the same just with different people. This would be the minimum of what i would be expecting though

Like in ep 2, as soon as i saw those two guys i was like sod this, im not going with them. There should have been an option like that. maybe you explore and find their farm if you choose not too. (im only suggesting this because i know the devs are shits cunts and cant push out games within their dead lines) Hell i dont mind waiting longer for a better experience. The thing everyone hates is that your choices do not matter. which is why im sure at least 50% of people bought this game. me included. Hell, i reckon you should be able to ditch clem if you wanted to and just continue the game without her.

[laurahughes]

Reading all these comments are hilarious. Seriously, people die in the walking dead. so what? It's supposed to be shocking. It's supposed to anger you. It's supposed to make you annoyed. It's supposed to make you depressed. It's not heroic. It's not a happy ending.

I don't know if you guys have noticed but this is THE WALKING DEAD! Not My Little Pony Adventure Time Happy Ending Game. If you want to play a game with butterflies, rainbows and happy endings, then please play another game.

Seriously, stop crying about choices either. Yes, the developers want to harp on choices and how they matter. And yes, some do, some don't. But just imagine playing this game without having all these choices. I mean, what if you're playing Uncharted or some other game where there is a linear storyline. You didn't complain about that linear storyline did you? (well maybe you did). But think about it, if it wasn't for these choices, you wouldn't even be on these forums talking about any of your decisions throughout the episodes.

yea but those games have actual GAMEPLAY, this is a point and click mainly played for its story. Imagine reading one of those choose your own adventure book and every option led to the same place. Thats what this is doing.

[Xarne]

A game like this should let you choose whether you want a large group or a small group, hell you could even leave the "missions" the same just with different people. This would be the minimum of what i would be expecting though

Like in ep 2, as soon as i saw those two guys i was like sod this, im not going with them. There should have been an option like that. maybe you explore and find their farm if you choose not too. (im only suggesting this because i know the devs are shits cunts and cant push out games within their dead lines) Hell i dont mind waiting longer for a better experience. The thing everyone hates is that your choices do not matter. which is why im sure at least 50% of people bought this game. me included. Hell, i reckon you should be able to ditch clem if you wanted to and just continue the game without her.

Good posts, but for the detail you (and most of this forum) is expecting would take *waaaaaay* more time and money than would be within the budget of this modestly priced game. You think people get upset waiting 2 mos for an episode, they would scream bloody murder waiting for something to release with the scope that is being asked for, imo.

[Maugly]

Good posts, but for the detail you (and most of this forum) is expecting would take *waaaaaay* more time and money than would be within the budget of this modestly priced game. You think people get upset waiting 2 mos for an episode, they would scream bloody murder waiting for something to release with the scope that is being asked for, imo.

You don't advertise it as if 'your choices tailors the game', then. And i'd rather wait some more and pay some more than play incomplete game. Besides, visual novels goes only twice as much as all 5 episodes, and offer much more choice of action.

[Xarne]

You don't advertise it as if 'your choices tailors the game', then. And i'd rather wait some more and pay some more than play incomplete game. Besides, visual novels goes only twice as much as all 5 episodes, and offer much more choice of action.

People seem to think a 'tailored game' means 'we'll deviate from our original story to follow the whims of all our players' when it doesnt. And your definition of incomplete apparently is different from TTGs

[Maugly]

People seem to think a 'tailored game' means 'we'll deviate from our original story to follow the whims of all our players' when it doesnt. And your definition of incomplete apparently is different from TTGs

In the first place, no-one cares what TTG think. People expect something from the game/book/movie, and they get very upset if you don't give that to them.
And saying 'we meant completely different thing in our advertisement!' is pretty much like confessing you're doing false advertisement.

And this is not about Carley, this is about how we've been robbed of any effect of our choices on the story. I pretty much was expecting Carley being eaten in ep.2 while the rest were away at the diary, and I was like 'thanks god you're alive' when she was back. But this time TTG just openly admitted 'your choices don't really matter, we lie to you'.

[Maugly]

I mean, TTG have pretty good scenarist, if you needed to remove Carley there were so many possibilities which give at least an illusion of a choice. IDK, I'm not a writer, let us shoot Lily before she attacks Carley, Carley gets mad at us, runs into woods and gets eaten, or something. What they did is completely lame and disrespectful to players.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Well you were talking about ambulances like that service is still available. It's not. Even if it were, there's no 911 to alert anymore the ambulance. That miracle scenario you presented only existed because there were medical services at the ready to assist.

Miracles can happen and they do happen. There is nothing wrong in people wishing for Carley to be saved somehow and I'm one of them. However, I have no problem in admitting the chances of another group of survivors with a good medical doctor (and a well equipped one at that) happening along later and finding her and willing to help is probably one in a million.

[DawgTheGamer]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/sFxfglZsn7E

Carly is seen shot in lower face if you look closely, she could of had a great chance of survival. Many characters in TWD universe have survived headshots mainly carl who was shot in the eye

[DawgTheGamer]

Tweet or post #BringBackCarly & #BringBackDoug on Twitter @telltalegames then post the same on Telltale Games facebook.

[Gman5852]

All right then! This is a great plan! While we are at it, let's bring back Glen, his head is only a puddle now after being beaten to death, he can survive that right? Tyresse can come back, decapitation's aren't fatal at all! Lori only took a shotgun blast at point blank, she can come back too!

And Carley and Doug can TOTALLY come back after being SHOT IN THE HEAD! Left with NO medical attention at all, lost IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOREST! Where walkers probably found them, oh yeah and we are GOD KNOWS HOW FAR AWAY FROM THEM RIGHT NOW!

Face it! They are dead! It's Walking Dead! People die, good people, and there is nothing you can do about it! If Telltale really does bring them back, then they have lost all respect I've had of them.

[Seath]

It seems really weird that the group didnt give two shits about Carley/Doug, and left them there for Zombie food, without checking pulse/life signs.

[Vainamoinen]

Could you guys do me a favor?

Report every new "Save Carley" thread you see popping up immediately. We've got one already and there's one particularly idiotic poster who keeps making new threads and insults anyone with a differing opinion. Thanks!

[Gman5852]

It seems really weird that the group didnt give two shits about Carley/Doug, and left them there for Zombie food, without checking pulse/life signs.

That is certainly a mistep on Telltale's part, but by now they ARE dead. There is no way someone with such a head wound can survive the walk all the way to Savannah unarmed, with no food, and a massive head injury.

[Nokando]

Miracles can happen and they do happen. There is nothing wrong in people wishing for Carley to be saved somehow and I'm one of them. However, I have no problem in admitting the chances of another group of survivors with a good medical doctor (and a well equipped one at that) happening along later and finding her and willing to help is probably one in a million.

1) Actually, miracles can't happen and don't happen. Really. Magic does not really exist.
2) Well equipped as in a state of the art brain surgery hospital, following cryogenic evacuation from the field by helicopter.
3) In emergency situations, major incidents and disasters there is a system called 'triage'. Any medical professional coming across a casualty shot in the head during a zombie apocalypse would count her as dead. The medical professionals who had spent any time trying to help people in that state would have already been eaten. Probably by other medical professionals! ;)

Execution is normally performed with the person to be executed present.

On a serious note: Because she's wacko. And in the former non-zombie world, people like that deserved our pity.


Vainamoinen, there is wacko, and there is psycopathic. Someone who just shot someone in the head based on a (misguided) hunch, thinking that is the best way to resolve the argument, has crossed the line.

I'm an open minded chap, but I can't drum up too much pity for psycopaths, and wouldn't choose them as travelling companions :D

[Maugly]

Tweet or post #BringBackCarly & #BringBackDoug on Twitter @telltalegames then post the same on Telltale Games facebook.

I actually think upping these trends is bad idea. All this hype in the Twitter will make people buy ep.3 to see what's actually happened. Do you really want to promote TTG because of the bad decision they made? They'll be just happy they killed Carley/Doug.
I think writing them paper mail would be much better idea. Just fancy them having to sort out thousands of envelopes!

[DawgTheGamer]

Could you guys do me a favor?

Report every new "Save Carley" thread you see popping up immediately. We've got one already and there's one particularly idiotic poster who keeps making new threads and insults anyone with a differing opinion. Thanks!

This is my only thread, and i am posting my opinion, I made this thread 8 hours ago, why all the hate with wanting one of are favorite characters back

[DawgTheGamer]

I actually think upping these trends is bad idea. All this hype in the Twitter will make people buy ep.3 to see what's actually happened. Do you really want to promote TTG because of the bad decision they made? They'll be just happy they killed Carley/Doug.
I think writing them paper mail would be much better idea. Just fancy them having to sort out thousands of envelopes!

With 1k+ letters they can ignore silently, with this trending it is very public

[DawgTheGamer]

All right then! This is a great plan! While we are at it, let's bring back Glen, his head is only a puddle now after being beaten to death, he can survive that right? Tyresse can come back, decapitation's aren't fatal at all! Lori only took a shotgun blast at point blank, she can come back too!

And Carley and Doug can TOTALLY come back after being SHOT IN THE HEAD! Left with NO medical attention at all, lost IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOREST! Where walkers probably found them, oh yeah and we are GOD KNOWS HOW FAR AWAY FROM THEM RIGHT NOW!

Face it! They are dead! It's Walking Dead! People die, good people, and there is nothing you can do about it! If Telltale really does bring them back, then they have lost all respect I've had of them.

Good points but I will stand firm, Carly was clearly shot in the lower face, not a fatal wound and the group didn't give two shits, you can hear her breath after shot.

[Gman5852]

This is my only thread, and i am posting my opinion, I made this thread 8 hours ago, why all the hate with wanting one of are favorite characters back

He may not have been talking about you, but there are way too many threads about this one death like Telltale insulted God or worse, when all they did was kill off 1 character.

No one seems to get that this is based off the comic book series, where the creators idea of celebrating the 100th issue was to kill off the fan favorite by beating him to death with a baseball bat!

[Vainamoinen]

This is my only thread, and i am posting my opinion, I made this thread 8 hours ago, why all the hate with wanting one of are favorite characters back

I wasn't talking about you AT ALL here.

Still, this is a "want Carley back" thread and was merged into the old one as a consequence. Please don't see this as some kind of punishment - I've been receiving dire pleas from community members to have some more merged threads because of all the duplicate discussion.

The guy in question has made half a dozen threads with lots of different accounts, naming most "How will Carley come back". He is no longer welcome here.

Let me make it abundantly clear: If you're disappointed because the character is gone and you somehow would like her back, this forum IS the place to voice and discuss.

For insults against anyone who accepts this death as an inevitable part of the story, this forum is the wrong place. For some kind of countermovement/revolution in dozens of identical Carley threads, this forum is also the wrong place.

[DawgTheGamer]

He may not have been talking about you, but there are way too many threads about this one death like Telltale insulted God or worse, when all they did was kill off 1 character.

No one seems to get that this is based off the comic book series, where the creators idea of celebrating the 100th issue was to kill off the fan favorite by beating him to death with a baseball bat!

Good point, some people do take it overbord, really want them to bring them back, but I wont be overly pissed if they dont

[Gman5852]

Good point, some people do take it overbord, really want them to bring them back, but I wont be overly pissed if they dont

It's good that you want a character back, that means Telltale wrote them really well, but don't expect them to come back.

[DawgTheGamer]

It's good that you want a character back, that means Telltale wrote them really well, but don't expect them to come back.

I know, but i am and optimistic person

[Nokando]

Hang on a sec, isn't it ironic that we are complaining about 'bring dead people back' threads, when at the end of the day that's the whole point of the zombie apocalypse? ;)

I blame christianity. That popularised all this back from the dead nonsense in the first place, when in actuality the crucifixion 1st team were on holiday & the reserve crew messed it up.

[Xarne]

It seems really weird that the group didnt give two shits about Carley/Doug, and left them there for Zombie food, without checking pulse/life signs.

In Doug's case there was definitely a chance, but just to beat that dead horse 1 more time for good measure: they're dead. As in doornails. Bought the farm. Kicked the bucket. Kaput. Finito. Hasta la vista. Game Over (literally).

Let's all bow our head and give closure to their untimely demise and like this topic, may they rest in peace.

[ZombieGoBoom]

If this game played like the comics, people would be in therapy
btw I just read #100...omg

This is an interactive game where we are in the middle of it and controlling (mostly) how events and our relationships with the characters plays out. We weren't reading about Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. We ARE Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. It's a no brainier people are going to take her death more personally than reading it happening in a comic book.

[Keladis]

I hate that they killed Carley... Even wished that TTG would of gave us a chance to save her, but in no way should TTG bring her back. She got shot point blank in the face there is no coming back from that! At lest not in a zombie infested world.

This is The Walking Dead people die! No one is safe! (except maybe Lee only cause we are playing him) The fact that people are as emotional about Carley's death just going to show that TTG has done an awesome job and creating characters that we care about.

[DawgTheGamer]

I hate that they killed Carley... Even wished that TTG would of gave us a chance to save her, but in no way should TTG bring her back. She got shot point blank in the face there is no coming back from that! At lest not in a zombie infested world.

This is The Walking Dead people die! No one is safe! (except maybe Lee only cause we are playing him) The fact that people are as emotional about Carley's death just going to show that TTG has done an awesome job and creating characters that we care about.

I'm pissed that she has to die the way she did, if you look closely she was shot in the lower face cheek area, I am pretty sure that is less lethal than full on headshot. She also doesn't fall down dead if you listen she is breathing, and no one gives a shit, not even Lee who was starting to have feeling for her in my playthrough. Also we are right next to lilly and there was no chance to bat away the gun.

[Maugly]

It's interesting to notice that Ben does not do much in the rest of the episode. That means they could just as much drag Carley/Doug along instead of Ben.

[DawgTheGamer]

It's interesting to notice that Ben does not do much in the rest of the episode. That means they could just as much drag Carley/Doug along instead of Ben.

Exactly, Ben is a waste of a character compared to Doug and Carly

[Ezrawa]

Its not the fact that she died, It's more the way how they did it. BOOM bye Carley (my favo character). 1min later bye lilly. 5min later bye katje etc... And we couldn't do anything about it.

[ZombieGoBoom]

1) Actually, miracles can't happen and don't happen. Really. Magic does not really exist.
2) Well equipped as in a state of the art brain surgery hospital, following cryogenic evacuation from the field by helicopter.
3) In emergency situations, major incidents and disasters there is a system called 'triage'. Any medical professional coming across a casualty shot in the head during a zombie apocalypse would count her as dead. The medical professionals who had spent any time trying to help people in that state would have already been eaten. Probably by other medical professionals! ;)


1/ Then lets call it dumb luck if you like. ;)
2/ If the back of Carley's head exploded then a lot of this discussion would be over. If Lee or someone actually checked her but it seemed everyone assumed Carley was dead.
3/ Give it up. I think a lot of us in the Carley camp would like to give the girl a chance, regardless how slim. The only ones who has the final say in this debate is TTG and I will willingly accept it either way.

If you like to know, in another thread I might a point which is against her possible return... at least to the group. If Carley somehow survived she is going to be PI**ED to no end that she was left for dead, making any reunion nearly impossible. :(

[DawgTheGamer]

1/ Then lets call it dumb luck if you like. ;)
2/ If the back of Carley's head exploded then a lot of this discussion would be over. If Lee or someone actually checked her but it seemed everyone assumed Carley was dead.
3/ Give it up. I think a lot of us in the Carley camp would like to give the girl a chance, regardless how slim. The only ones who has the final say in this debate is TTG and I will willingly accept it either way.

If you like to know, in another thread I might a point which is against her possible return... at least to the group. If Carley somehow survived she is going to be PI**ED to no end that she was left for dead, making any reunion nearly impossible. :(

Yea for 2 Carly was shot in the lower face i am surprised about how many people don't notice this. And she can be heard breathing and no one does anything if anything closure would have been nice, minimum. For 3, yea TTG has final say so, i just hope they take fan feedback into consideration

[DawgTheGamer]

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy written in my opinion.
There was no time for a burial? Because what? Walkers?

He should have carried her into the RV, you just dont let somebody lying on the side on the street, especially sb who you liked. He should have hoped that she somehow survived the shot. (Remember Carl in the Comics? Yup sb. blew half of his face off) Heck, I would have been happy if he could just shed a tear.

I mean there was so much potential on how to handle the loss of a dear groupmember. Not just let him lay on the side of a road and devote him 2 speech lines. (Ben and Katjaa).

I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

Agree 100%

[Keladis]

I'm pissed that she has to die the way she did, if you look closely she was shot in the lower face cheek area, I am pretty sure that is less lethal than full on headshot. She also doesn't fall down dead if you listen she is breathing, and no one gives a shit, not even Lee who was starting to have feeling for her in my playthrough. Also we are right next to lilly and there was no chance to bat away the gun.


I am not 100% sure but I believe that sniper are suppose to aim for the cheek area of the face somewhere around or below the eyes but above the mouth, so I would believe that her being shot in the check would be more deadly, but I could be wrong.


I do agree the way she die was shitty, but shit happens not a lot we can do about it.

I think they handle that scene all wrong after she was shot because like you said after she was shot it seemed like it was omg wtf did you do and everyone moved on and just assumed she was dead and moved on without even a second thought.

I really think that after Lee disarmed Lily they should of had him and others check on make it feel like people cared. I also for one wouldn't have left her just lying on the side of the road if I had a choice.

I also agree with you I think we should of had a option to try and stop Lily. In fact I think we should of had a chance to take on more of a leadership role with the group by the start of chapter 3 because I for one felt something bad was coming with the way Lily was losing it after the death of her father and I for one would not of allowed her to carry a gun. She was too unstable.

[skepticalguy90]

I am not 100% sure but I believe that sniper are suppose to aim for the cheek area of the face somewhere around or below the eyes but above the mouth, so I would believe that her being shot in the check would be more deadly, but I could be wrong.


I do agree the way she die was shitty, but shit happens not a lot we can do about it.

I think they handle that scene all wrong after she was shot because like you said after she was shot it seemed like it was omg wtf did you do and everyone moved on and just assumed she was dead and moved on without even a second thought.

I really think that after Lee disarmed Lily they should of had him and others check on make it feel like people cared. I also for one wouldn't have left her just lying on the side of the road if I had a choice.

I also agree with you I think we should of had a option to try and stop Lily. In fact I think we should of had a chance to take on more of a leadership role with the group by the start of chapter 3 because I for one felt something bad was coming with the way Lily was losing it after the death of her father and I for one would not of allowed her to carry a gun. She was too unstable.

I think they typically aim for around the heart region. On a long range shot, near center of mass is your best probability for a hit.

[Gman5852]

Its not the fact that she died, It's more the way how they did it. BOOM bye Carley (my favo character). 1min later bye lilly. 5min later bye katje etc... And we couldn't do anything about it.

Lilly had to leave to fufill comic canon, you were watching Carley, not Lilly when she shot you, so you didn't even know she had the gun, and you weren't even with Katjaa when she committed suicide, so that is also not a possibility.

[Keladis]

I think they typically aim for around the heart region. On a long range shot, near center of mass is your best probability for a hit.

That's probably the preferred target but I am talking about when they have to take a head shot. I believe they aim for something they call a T zone, which is the are around the eyes and cheek.

Like I said I could be wrong as I am no sniper, but I think that is something I read or seen in a documentary.

[Xarne]

This is an interactive game where we are in the middle of it and controlling (mostly) how events and our relationships with the characters plays out. We weren't reading about Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. We ARE Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. It's a no brainier people are going to take her death more personally than reading it happening in a comic book.

Oh come now, it's not like you're in the RV with them, cold and half starved. You're still in your underwear, behind a keyboard, warm in your house. Please.
And that wasnt the point about the comics, the level of interaction, it's the level of unspeakable acts that happen to these people not only by the walkers but by their own kind (humans). Makes this game look like The Sims: Undead.

[Xarne]

Not possible She is not dead She is Alive because Clearly she got shot in the cheek....

haha someone said this earlier and got banned

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Lilly had to leave to fufill comic canon, you were watching Carley, not Lilly when she shot you, so you didn't even know she had the gun, and you weren't even with Katjaa when she committed suicide, so that is also not a possibility.

Exactly. This is whats stupid. Basically Lilly killing Carley/Doug was just an "excuse" for her to leave. It was sloppy writing

[DawgTheGamer]

haha someone said this earlier and got banned

I have said this numerous times with a better description and I didn't get banned, time to push my luck, LOL

[Zombies are Awesome!]

It was just sloppy writing. Having Lilly kill Carley/Doug just so she could leave, so she could be in the book/comic

[skepticalguy90]

That's probably the preferred target but I am talking about when they have to take a head shot. I believe they aim for something they call a T zone, which is the are around the eyes and cheek.

Like I said I could be wrong as I am no sniper, but I think that is something I read or seen in a documentary.

I think the Tzone is across the forehead and down the middle of your face (down your nose) forming a T.

[Instant Karma]

I wonder how Larry would have reacted to Lilly shooting Carley. I mean, he has to draw the line somewhere, right?

[Keladis]

Larry would of sided with Lilly! (Like always)

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Why Not had We Choice For Saving Carley In The Episode 3????????

like i said before. it was just an "excuse" Telltale made up just so they could get rid of Lilly, so she could join the book/comic

[Instant Karma]

Larry would of sided with Lilly! (Like always)
Probably, but what about when it came to throwing her out or keeping her? I doubt Larry would've been tied up, but he probably wouldn't be eager to being thrown out.

[skepticalguy90]

Probably, but what about when it came to throwing her out or keeping her? I doubt Larry would've been tied up, but he probably wouldn't be eager to being thrown out.

I think that if you kick out Lily, you'd have to kick out Larry.

[Keladis]

I think that if you kick out Lily, you'd have to kick out Larry.

same

[Instant Karma]

I think that if you kick out Lily, you'd have to kick out Larry.

I meant more about the trouble he'd cause in the conflict. I'd imagine he would put a more physical fight than Lily did.

[Marleysativa]

like i said before. it was just an "excuse" Telltale made up just so they could get rid of Lilly, so she could join the book/comic

TellTale could have done many other things that lead to Lilly leaving the group. They chose for her to snap and kill Carley/Doug. It wasn't "sloppy" writing at all. It showed just how badly the events of the last two episodes had effected her. It was a shocking and great way to send off her character, in my opinion

exactly Clearly she got shot in the cheek

Some of you guys are getting a bit delusional, lol.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Some of you guys are getting a bit delusional, lol.

Well you can see the bullet hit her left cheek. Its not an exact headshot

[skepticalguy90]

Some of you guys are getting a bit delusional, lol.

I don't think anybody is questioning whether she got hit in the cheek, the question is whether she'd survive the bullet. I'm not saying she survived, but in the Kirkman comic, which people here claim to be canon, Carl got shot in the eye and survived, didn't he?

[Zombies are Awesome!]

I don't think anybody is questioning whether she got hit in the cheek, the question is whether she'd survive the bullet. I'm not saying she survived, but in the Kirkman comic, which people here claim to be canon, Carl got shot in the eye.

exactly. and i think you would have a higher chance of survival if you got hit in the cheek as opposed to the forehead or the eye

[skepticalguy90]

exactly. and i think you would have a higher chance of survival if you got hit in the cheek as opposed to the forehead or the eye

Don't get me wrong, I think she is dead, but people shouldn't dismiss what other people think as delusional when that same "delusion" happened in the comic they praise so much.

[Marleysativa]

I don't think anybody is questioning whether she got hit in the cheek, the question is whether she'd survive the bullet. I'm not saying she survived, but in the Kirkman comic, which people here claim to be canon, Carl got shot in the eye and survived, didn't he?

exactly. and i think you would have a higher chance of survival if you got hit in the cheek as opposed to the forehead or the eye

It was a glancing shot through his eye. They were completely different wounds. You're also conveniently leaving out the fact he got immediate medical attention from a trained physician that was reasonably well stocked with medical supplies. The two situations were entirely different.

Delusional, etc.

[skepticalguy90]

It was a glancing shot through his eye. They were completely different wounds. You're also conveniently leaving out the fact he got immediate medical attention from a trained physician that was reasonably well stocked with medical supplies. The two situations were entirely different.

Delusional, etc.

Hadn't read too much of the comics, but had heard that Carl had gotten shot in the eye. Again, I still think she is dead, but grow up a bit. Just because someone doesn't agree, with you doesn't mean you should insult them.

I don't know about you, but THAT is not a glancing shot.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRF-WD2SaJw0t9och4hH7MOjaMNvsjMUlJulzbnVjcHyb562ya&t=1

[Marleysativa]

Hadn't read too much of the comics, but had heard that Carl had gotten shot in the eye. Again, I still think she is dead, but grow up a bit. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should insult them.

That doesn't look like a glancing shot btw

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x9/blackcanary2000/more%2520pca/Even%2520More%2520PCA/Walking_Dead-83-Carl-shot.jpg

People saying that she was still breathing and that there was a chance she was going to survive in that situation is the definition of being delusional. I'm sorry that you don't like that.

He was shot in the eye and it wrecked his eye socket but the bullet still exited without causing brain damage. Carley was shot in the center of her face on the side of the road where there was no possibility for medical attention. Your link doesn't work, btw (nevermind, it works now). It's easier to find that picture on the wiki.

[skepticalguy90]

People saying that she was still breathing and that there was a chance she was going to survive in that situation is the definition of being delusional. I'm sorry that you don't like that.

He was shot in the eye and it wrecked his eye socket but the bullet still exited without causing brain damage. Carley was shot in the center of her face on the side of the road where there was no possibility for medical attention. Your link doesn't work, btw (nevermind, it works now). It's easier to find that picture on the wiki.

What I don't like is the attitude you seem to take towards people that think that. If you don't like what they have to say, just ignore it. I'm not going to argue with you over whether she survived. There was no medical attention and I think even if she survived the shot, she most likely bled out quickly.

Yeah, I posted the link and went back to check it, found it didn't work and changed it.

I'm curious btw what was Carl shot in the head with?

[Keladis]

Originally Posted by DawgTheGamer View Post
http://www.youtube.com/embed/sFxfglZsn7E

Carly is seen shot in lower face if you look closely, she could of had a great chance of survival. Many characters in TWD universe have survived headshots mainly carl who was shot in the eye

exactly Clearly she got shot in the cheek

Here is some things to think about even if she got shot in the cheek, which if you slow it down and look carefully it clear she did.

First she was turning into the bullet, so it is highly unlikely that the bullet grazed the cheek.

Second watching the scene in slow motion it does not look like the bullet pass threw.

Third the only person that might of had a chance to save her was Katjaa being a Veterinarian and she was in no condition to try and save her (her son had just been bite and is dying) and even if she was the chance that they had the medical supple to remove the bullet and stop the bleeding are very unlikely.

Fourth It did not look like they had much of a chance to grab any medication like antibiotics (which they would of needed to help Carley pull through) while they was fighting back at the Hotel; Otherwise Katjaa would of probably been nursing Duck better.

All in all the chances that Carley survived was extremely low.

As for Carl surviving a worse shot to the head they had actually surgeon and doctors working on him.

Andrea in comics, as well as Daryl Dixon in the TV series was grazed

[Marleysativa]

What I don't like is the attitude you seem to take towards people that think that. If you don't like what they have to say, just ignore it. I'm not going to argue with you over whether she survived. There was no medical attention and I think even if she survived the shot, she most likely bled out quickly.

Yeah, I posted the link and went back to check it, found it didn't work and changed it.

I'm curious btw what was Carl shot in the head with?

I can understand that people liked her character so much that they didn't want her to die, it was the last thing I wanted to happen. I also might have been blunt but it doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. You could have just as easily taken the advice you gave me as well, no?

It's been a minute since I've read that issue but, he was shot with a handgun. I don't recall the caliber. Carl was also conscious after he was shot.

[skepticalguy90]

I can understand that people liked her character so much that they didn't want her to die, it was the last thing I wanted to happen. I also might have been blunt but it doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. You could have just as easily have taken the advice you gave me as well, no?

It's been a minute since I've read that issue but, he was shot with a handgun. I don't recall the caliber. Carl was also conscious after he was shot.

My intention was not to belittle you, and if I did, then I'm truly sorry. I feel like we're on similar ground, both believe that she is dead and not coming back. I just don't feel like trying to convince some people that she is not coming back is a worthwhile effort. Why even bother calling them delusional? They are free to choose to believe what they want. Who are we to stand in their way or belittle them for that?

[Marleysativa]

My intention was not to belittle you, and if I did, then I'm truly sorry. I feel like we're on similar ground, both believe that she is dead and not coming back. I just don't feel like trying to convince some people that she is not coming back is a worthwhile effort. Why even bother calling them delusional? They are free to choose to believe what they want. Who are we to stand in their way or belittle them for that?

No way, I'm not offended, nor do I feel belittled. You didn't like the tone of my post, I can understand that. I'm just getting a bit annoyed when people choose to call the writing/story of this game sloppy or lazy because an event transpired that they didn't like. It's what prompted me to post in this thread in first place.

[skepticalguy90]

No way, I'm not offended, nor do I feel belittled. You didn't like the tone of my post, I can understand that. I'm just getting a bit annoyed when people choose to call the writing/story of this game sloppy or lazy because an event transpired that they didn't like. It's what prompted me to post in this thread in first place.

See that is the thing. I absolutely love the story. I was shocked as hell and a bit angry initially about Carley, but I think everybody knew what they were signing up for with this series.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Face it, it was a cheap way to off Carley/Doug (that way they wouldn't have to work on 2 separate characters anymore) and so Lilly could leave .

[skepticalguy90]

Face it, it was a cheap way to off Carley/Doug (that way they wouldn't have to work on 2 separate characters anymore) and so Lilly could leave .

I don't think they had to kill Carley in order for Lily to leave. They just as easily could have left her at the Motor Inn. I'd be fascinated to hear what Telltale's thinking is behind killing off 3 main characters in all of about 5 minutes though.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

I don't think they had to kill Carley in order for Lily to leave. They just as easily could have left her at the Motor Inn.

But why kill both Carley and Doug? why not just kill one of them?

[Marleysativa]

See that is the thing. I absolutely love the story. I was shocked as hell and a bit angry initially about Carley, but I think everybody knew what they were signing up for with this series.

I actually yelled "No, no, no. What the fuck, Lilly!" as it happened. It was loud enough that I scared the better half and prompted some laughter.

Face it, it was a cheap way to off Carley/Doug (that way they wouldn't have to work on 2 separate characters anymore) and so Lilly could leave .

Or it could be that it showed significant character development in Lilly. How the events from the past two episodes reached a boiling point and made her snap. Although I'm sure you have much more insight into the development of this game than the rest of us. Lilly had to leave, but it was in no way cheap or lazy.

But why kill both Carley and Doug? why not just kill one of them?

Can you imagine the outcry from fans if they did that? Doug already got the short end of the stick with some of the dialogue, in my opinion (sharing Lee's past).

[skepticalguy90]

I actually yelled "No, no, no. What the fuck, Lilly!" as it happened. It was loud enough that I scared the better half and prompted some laughter.



I'm going to be honest, canon or not, I was looking to put a bullet right between her eyes in that moment.

[Xarne]

Staff!!!

[Maugly]

I think with all those threads lying around at this forum, 'Carley dies' will become just as much of a spoiler as 'L dies', 'Aerith dies', etc :)

[Wilder41]

Yeah, Its sad but there is no way she is alive. If she were it would have to be those one in a Million gun shot wounds to the head where the victim survives. Even then, Even if she survived that she would still die of blood loss. There would need to another group of survivors with a doctor that heard the gun shot come see see what it was. Then see Carly and the Doc would need to work fast. So yeah..that is not happening. Either that, or the Bullet grazed the side of her head, rending her unconscious. I mean we did not see the wound or a pool of blood for that matter unLike Katjaa when she took a bullet to the head. But that is unlikely.

[Maugly]

By the way, I don't believe she's alive, but if you check out on the internet, there's quite a few stories how people survive point blank headshot for one or the other reason.

[Xarne]

No i dont get banned why ask this?

someone posted the exact thing like you, verbatim and in bold.
their one and only post. banned.
found it odd seeing the same post up again later in the day

[SideKickin]

I was shot in the face by Chandler from Friends and left to die in the middle of the desert in a post-apocalyptic America. And I still managed to pick myself up, dust myself off, and take control of New Vegas over the course of seventy hours.

Having said that, now the thought of Carley coming back doesn't sound far-fetched, huh? :p

[Redundant]

Let it go guys. She's gone. Dead. Take solace in the fact that she isn't going to be turned into a walker because of the bullet to the head. It was quick and painless. Don't get me wrong. I was close to kick Lily's ass and there was no way in hell she was getting back in the RV.

Tbh this thread just shows how good TTG writing has been. That people love a character like Carley and are so determined to try and get her back. Even though she took a bullet right between the eyes.

I was so emotionally drained after Episode 3 (like many have said) that I was at the point where I didn't care about anyone apart from Clem anymore. Perfect example is me not wasting time for Omid to jump. I don't have time for any timid bs anymore. I pushed that guy. He'll thank me later... surely :P

Again just shows how good the writing truly is.

[Sarah The Great]

No offense, But you are getting way too attached to one character
And she got shot point blank in the head...she is...DEAD :eek:

[Sarah The Great]

These treads are getting out of control

[Churchgonewild]

Yeah, I had a similar reaction, honestly all the major deaths in this episode were pretty forced and no one had appropriate reactions to them in the game.

I agree, but they kind of muffed the whole Doug thing because he was very obviously shot in the back of the head, but there is a possibility of Carley coming back, because of your aforementioned points. Also I've read up a bit, both Carl & Daryl (from the show/novel) survived head shots, so... here's to hope and more choices in the future?

[laurahughes]

1/ Then lets call it dumb luck if you like. ;)
2/ If the back of Carley's head exploded then a lot of this discussion would be over. If Lee or someone actually checked her but it seemed everyone assumed Carley was dead.
3/ Give it up. I think a lot of us in the Carley camp would like to give the girl a chance, regardless how slim. The only ones who has the final say in this debate is TTG and I will willingly accept it either way.

If you like to know, in another thread I might a point which is against her possible return... at least to the group. If Carley somehow survived she is going to be PI**ED to no end that she was left for dead, making any reunion nearly impossible. :(

i play without the story things, so i play it as every decision counts.
but people are saying that a tooltip pops up saying carley will remember this.
Possible reason?

[donmike84]

oh well there goes the lee/carley romance everyone wanted

[bakajin]

LOL at Aerith. But either way, the whole point of the character was for Lee to lose someone he was close too without it being Clem. Too bad, because it's kind of a cliche. It would have been more of a test for Lee to have Carley as the thief but Ben gets blamed for it. Then he'd have a real issue to deal with going forward.

[bakajin]

After reading some of this thread:

That people are upset about Carley is less about the writing than it is the player. Some get more deeply involved with RPGs than others. Long time RPG players sort of expect a love interest and Carley seemed to be the odds on favorite for that role. Surely TT recognized that.

Carley is not coming back. She's walker food. Even if she isn't, you won't see her again. There doesn't seem to be any logical, realistic way to reunite her with the team. And Lee certainly appears to believe her dead, so he's not going looking for her.

[laurahughes]

LOL at Aerith. But either way, the whole point of the character was for Lee to lose someone he was close too without it being Clem. Too bad, because it's kind of a cliche. It would have been more of a test for Lee to have Carley as the thief but Ben gets blamed for it. Then he'd have a real issue to deal with going forward.

yah, while i was investigating i was like i hope its not her. and thought of scenarios if it were. like we'd run away together lol

[sparkzfly]

The only way I can imagine Carley still being alive is that the bullet scraped her cheek and ear and knocked her unconsious. The other deaths were so obviously shown...Katjaa with the gun in her hand, YOU or Kenny shoot Duck, Larry's head was smashed in, the girl in the woods had the bullet through her eye...

But with Carley you just see a spurt of blood then her facing down.

There are also the zombies at the end, but if you left Lilly behind (which I think most people should have) then they'd chase after her.

It's a long shot, and 95% chance she is dead...but still :( :( :(

I hope the dream thing or a memorial happens, just so Lee can say goodbye.

[Ultraa]

In the comic there is a guy who get's shot and survives and he's called Carl, and the one who got shot in the game is Carley, you see what they've done there Carl-Carley anyway that made me think about it but I'll guess we will have to wait and see.

[ZombieGoBoom]

In the comic there is a guy who get's shot and survives and he's called Carl, and the one who got shot in the game is Carley, you see what they've done there Carl-Carley anyway that made me think about it but I'll guess we will have to wait and see.

That's interesting. The TV show introduced me to the Walking Dead and I have been avoiding reading too far into the comics to keep away from future spoilers. That's a small ray or hope.

[SpikeJack1]

I think with all those threads lying around at this forum, 'Carley dies' will become just as much of a spoiler as 'L dies', 'Aerith dies', etc :)
He deserved to die just as much as Carley...which is not at all!!
Kinda made me stop rooting for Light afterwards. "Screw you, 'imagaY'!"
Along with the notion to leave Lilly to die and threaten Ben after the 'R.V. incident'.

[Trickybuz93]

Dammit, I got so pissed when she died. She was the one female character in the game (between her and Lilly) that I actually liked. >.<

[Moragami]

Them's the breaks folks, people are going to die in terrible, horrible ways for no good reason in the ZA, and TWD is trying to emulate that. You can't trust anyone really, not even the people in your group. I sure as hell didn't see Carley going out like that, but it was entirely possible. Lilly seems to have always hated Carley, if you pay attention in Episode 1 at the drug store. Look at it this way, Carley died quickly and painlessly. That is pretty much the best we can hope for. She won't become a walker now. She won't be disemboweled by a rotting corpse. In short, Carley/Doug has been the luckiest person so far in the game.

As for our choices, well, I think those are more for us to judge ourselves on. Like with that girl in the first chapter, how many of us shot her to put her out of her misery? More people than that left her to be eaten. Are we stone cold survivalists who only care about seeing another day, or do we try to hold on to what's left of our humanity even if it ends up doing us in? And exactly how much can we go through before we break?
Finally, somebody who gets it. The choices we make in TWD don't really determine who lives and who dies, nor do they determine where everybody goes next. Short term, they effect how your fellow survivors feel about and react to you. Long term, they determine whether you've still got your humanity, or whether you're a ruthless person dedicated to your own survival only.

Saying the choices you make don't matter, means you're missing the point, big time.

It comes with age, I think. When I was in my twenties, I could have played a game like this and not been so emotionally invested. Now, as a man approaching 40, with a wife and daughter, the idea of losing them is the most terrifying thing I can imagine. Now, when I watch a movie or play a game in which a parent and child are torn apart, it really gets to me. I'd be lying if I said this episode didn't bring me to tears. Carley was shocking, and Duck & Katja... well, I'm just a big old blubbering baby.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

Guys, as a true fan of Carley, I say she REALLY is dead. Yes sure she took a shot to the cheek, yeah sure, walkers go after lilly instead, yes sure, BEST PLACE to put another story changing choice but theres one thing that destroys ALL that evidence....


Nicole Vigil, Voice actor of Carley, confirmed she TRULY is dead, along with saying how TTG planned this MUCH earlier.


Dammit, damn you TTG >.<

*Look on her facebook if you don't believe me -_-*

[Gratefully Dead]

I actually thought that her death was perfect. The only thing I would have liked to see is Lee actually mourn her a little bit (which he could now that they are on a train for a few hours and not running around as much as he would be.) I can see Episode 4 starting out with a little remembering of Carley.

But that was one of those moments that reminded me that I was playing The Walking Dead, that this was a world where nobody is safe. I honestly had no idea what to do with Lilly at that point and thought that she had truly become unhinged. She was the only person my Lee truly trusted other then Carley so seeing that threw his world in to the shitter.

But I can't believe some people whine that the death is cheap. Have you not seen the show? Read the books? People die at the drop of a hat. That's what it is supposed to happen! And yes, Doug dies here too, we get it. But it doesn't happen the same way. It's not really about those characters as much but showing that Lilly is completely gone. The way that she pleaded with Lee showed just how crestfallen (word of of the day) that she was.

I will miss Carley. I hope that they don't completely ignore her in the future episodes, but I like that her death came so suddenly because that's how things should happen in this world!

[sparkzfly]

I actually thought that her death was perfect. The only thing I would have liked to see is Lee actually mourn her a little bit (which he could now that they are on a train for a few hours and not running around as much as he would be.) I can see Episode 4 starting out with a little remembering of Carley.

But that was one of those moments that reminded me that I was playing The Walking Dead, that this was a world where nobody is safe. I honestly had no idea what to do with Lilly at that point and thought that she had truly become unhinged. She was the only person my Lee truly trusted other then Carley so seeing that threw his world in to the shitter.

But I can't believe some people whine that the death is cheap. Have you not seen the show? Read the books? People die at the drop of a hat. That's what it is supposed to happen! And yes, Doug dies here too, we get it. But it doesn't happen the same way. It's not really about those characters as much but showing that Lilly is completely gone. The way that she pleaded with Lee showed just how crestfallen (word of of the day) that she was.

I will miss Carley. I hope that they don't completely ignore her in the future episodes, but I like that her death came so suddenly because that's how things should happen in this world!

Agree competely. In real life there would be no obvious moment when someone would die, and we would never be able to predict it either - or how it'll happen. It's a shock but thats what it would be in real life wouldn't it?

Hopefully we'll get to see the last farewells of Carely somehow in Ep. 4 - maybe in a dream or memorial or something.

[kingmartykim]

Her death was exactly the same as Rebecca Chang from Dead Rising...not to mention their same jobs...both of their death just killed me!

[DreadMagus]

That just goes to show that only Frank West can go toe to toe in the Zombie Arena.

[Master of Aeons]

He covered wars, ya know?

[Xarne]

I don't think they had to kill Carley in order for Lily to leave. They just as easily could have left her at the Motor Inn. I'd be fascinated to hear what Telltale's thinking is behind killing off 3 main characters in all of about 5 minutes though.

I'd say they are sticking to the theme of Kirkman's world. Quite nicely in fact.

[uelrindru]

I was kinda hoping that you would leave Lily during the raid and she wouldn't come to the van. The whole thing would have been avoided AND you get the mental anquish of leaving Lily to mercy of the bandits.

[ezeldav]

Over the fucking line, telltale.

Not buying your shit anymore. Fuck you

[MichaCHOW]

Check it out, now the game has less original characters than the comics! In just three episodes! It took issue #100 to finally kill Glenn!:eek:

I don't mind people dying in the comics or show but I'm playing a game and I want to enjoy it, not sit here swearing at my computer screen because I have to watch one of my favorite characters get shot 4 times trying to avoid it.

Dragon Age 2, your choices can either get your sister/brother killed or saved depending on you. Why not this? I went back on Dragon Age 2, re did and entire story just so the sister/brother wouldn't die and I was happy with it.

This is a game, I get it's The Walking Dead, but still, the show curves off from the comics in like 50 different directions, the game just goes, "in the end all of you die, so have a field day with the great American road trip and make sure you don't get bitten until you enjoy the scenery!"

Comics: People get killed randomly, all the time. Everyone, even the babies.
Show: The only people that die are the ones no one seems to like, but slowly kills off some people from the comic, and has people who aren't even in it?
Game: Kill off any character that is friendly. Cop, Shawn, Mark, Teacher, Carley, Duck, Katjaa. The only mean people who die are the ones that threaten Lee's life.

I want to enjoy the game, not go "...well it was fun, now it just seems like four similar stories with same consequences and different dialogue.

All I want is a patch that can save a character from death, nameably Carley. It would just lighten things up so much more. Kenny's always pissed after Episode 1, Lilly's always pissed. No such thing as balance. Just putting you down, time after time. Might as well go listen to Pokemon Lavender town music and see who dies in this game next.

[SteveTheBlocks]

Goes to show how a character can affect someone.

[Red Panda]

Over the fucking line, telltale.

Not buying your shit anymore. Fuck you

lmao I cannot stop laughing at this! It's too fucking funny.

[MichaCHOW]

Just read spoilers now for Episode 4.

When I see something that says Episode 3 Patch then I'll go play again. :]

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Boohoo your character died. so what? sure i was pissed too but i got over it.

[Gman5852]

Aww someone's mad.

It's funny, because Carley got a very tame and painless death. Fan favorites usually get the honor of dieing slow and painful deaths. Would you rather see her get decapitated? Beat to death with a baseball bat? How about becoming among the 20 or so people that died in one comic in one specific battle?

Yeah, get over it guys and be lucky Carley isn't suffering anymore.

[Xarne]

I don't mind people dying in the comics or show but I'm playing a game and I want to enjoy it
Why is it you respect the artistic integrity of the comic writer, the tv writer but the not video game writer? Why is it acceptable for characters to die in those medium but in a video game its suddenly not enjoyable?

All I want is a patch that can save a character from death, nameably Carley.
Did you write to Kirkman asking to him redo issue #x?
Or to AMC to redo an episode? Either of these parties would laugh at the thought
Why would you ask this of TellTale?

[DreadMagus]

Witch!

Oh, sorry...etc....etc....

[jaybreezy]

A kid died in the game and you're upset over the death of your in-game girlfriend? Lol. Wow. I don't even know what to say.

*start sarcasm*Damn you TT.. Living dead, murder, amputations, cannibalism, child deaths. All of this was fine. But killing Carley = line crossed. Grrrrrr.. I hate you TT. *end sarcasm*

And to clarify Im not upset with the death of a child in the game. It's part of the story that we are playing and I expected it at somw point. Sucked, because I liked Duck but I'm not mad.

[L e x]

Wasteman

[Xarne]

Over the fucking line, telltale.

Not buying your shit anymore. Fuck you

Someone lost their girlfriend
umadbro?

[CrazyGamerzPC]

Only thing I was upset about Carleys death was how the game was advertised as choices and this would be the perfect time to add a choice and see how your choices played out that would determine carleys faith -.-

The worst part I guess is that the voice actor of Carley confirmed she truly is dead and it was planned from the beginning, so anyone saying she'll come back is pretty much wrong :(

[MichaCHOW]

I didn't say I respect them.

The only acceptable one I enjoyed was the comics.
The TV show is just bland and predictable at this point.

It's a game that you interact with, not a movie/story.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

Shes dead.
The voice actor of Carley said she truly is dead, and that her death was planned from the beginning of the project. So it denies that even if Carley got shot in the cheek, shes dead. It also denies that they had budget issues and were too lazy to do Doug or Carley since it was indeed planned before Episode 1 when the story and writing were in development.

Dang you TTG >.<
Oh well, If Clem dies in Ep. 4 for some reason then I got nothing left to care about besides Kenny who is kind of broken *but we stuck together, he saved me in the pharmancy and was nice to me mostly, I don't see why people keep saying he only cared about his family, perhaps others were just a big jerk to him because in my playthrough hes the complete opposite of what people describe him to be...*

[Gman5852]

The worst part I guess is that the voice actor of Carley confirmed she truly is dead and it was planned from the beginning, so anyone saying she'll come back is pretty much wrong :(

Oooh where's the quote for that. I want to bring it up on every single flawed "but one person survived a gunshot, clearly the exact same thing will happen here" BS that happens every other thread.

[MichaCHOW]

Kenny never helped me because I didn't kill Larry. "Don't be that guy, don't be that guy Kenny!" He's that guy -.-

[StreetsAhead24]

Check it out, now the game has less original characters than the comics! In just three episodes! It took issue #100 to finally kill Glenn!:eek:

I don't mind people dying in the comics or show but I'm playing a game and I want to enjoy it, not sit here swearing at my computer screen because I have to watch one of my favorite characters get shot 4 times trying to avoid it.

Dragon Age 2, your choices can either get your sister/brother killed or saved depending on you. Why not this? I went back on Dragon Age 2, re did and entire story just so the sister/brother wouldn't die and I was happy with it.

This is a game, I get it's The Walking Dead, but still, the show curves off from the comics in like 50 different directions, the game just goes, "in the end all of you die, so have a field day with the great American road trip and make sure you don't get bitten until you enjoy the scenery!"

Comics: People get killed randomly, all the time. Everyone, even the babies.
Show: The only people that die are the ones no one seems to like, but slowly kills off some people from the comic, and has people who aren't even in it?
Game: Kill off any character that is friendly. Cop, Shawn, Mark, Teacher, Carley, Duck, Katjaa. The only mean people who die are the ones that threaten Lee's life.

I want to enjoy the game, not go "...well it was fun, now it just seems like four similar stories with same consequences and different dialogue.

All I want is a patch that can save a character from death, nameably Carley. It would just lighten things up so much more. Kenny's always pissed after Episode 1, Lilly's always pissed. No such thing as balance. Just putting you down, time after time. Might as well go listen to Pokemon Lavender town music and see who dies in this game next.

You're taking it out of context my friend, there are only 5 episodes to begin with, so Carley had a good amount of exposure.

I kind of wished that she died a bit later in episode 3 or heck episode 4 but the shock value of seeing her die was executed well. I really felt angry and sad of what Lily did.

The only thing I didn't like was that there really wasn't proper closure when she died. I think the point of Carley dying is to allow the player's to feel a sense of loss. Because to be honest in the past two episodes, most of the deaths were fodder.

Mark is likeable but wasn't there long enough to get attached too. I was more shocked than sad when Larry died and also empathized with what Lily was going through. But with Carley it really hit me hard since I trusted her the most among the adults.

I think most Carley fans aren't complaining that she died but rather the way it was handled like others pointed out. There really should've been more time for Lee to reflect and contemplate on that loss.

Also a patch would ruin what the Walking Dead stands for. It's a world that does not differentiate from bad or good. A world where good people or people you care about are taken from you in the most abrupt or cruel way imaginable

[DreadMagus]

Shes dead.
The voice actor of Carley said she truly is dead, and that her death was planned from the beginning of the project. So it denies that even if Carley got shot in the cheek, shes dead. It also denies that they had budget issues and were too lazy to do Doug or Carley since it was indeed planned before Episode 1 when the story and writing were in development.



I keep reading this, but do we have an actual link to it?

[Xarne]

I didn't say I respect them.

The only acceptable one I enjoyed was the comics.
The TV show is just bland and predictable at this point.

It's a game that you interact with, not a movie/story.

Haha so you dont even respect them, but here you are asking for some patch to save Carley which would alter the story (btw that aint happening).
Go ask Kirkman to bring back Glenn, see how that works out for ya

[Master of Aeons]

Over the fucking line, telltale.

Not buying your shit anymore. Fuck you

I totally see him taking a tire iron to their cars, quoting Lebowski.

[Maximuswood]

Goes to show how a character can affect someone.

Exactly :)

[Xarne]

Oooh where's the quote for that. I want to bring it up on every single flawed "but one person survived a gunshot, clearly the exact same thing will happen here" BS that happens every other thread.

they'll only come back with a petition to get the voice actor rehired...it never ends

[MichaCHOW]

Glenn died pretty tragically but it was understandable with the storyline.

You're reading so much out of context

[Maximuswood]

It's a shame how she died though, but it's just a game after all

[Xarne]

ok fine Im just saying you wouldnt do this in any other form of media, and that's not ooc

[Master of Aeons]

Oh my god, Glenn's back! And Sirius Black! And J.R. from Dallas! This is the best day ever!

[AceStarr]

Glenn died pretty tragically but it was understandable with the storyline.

You're reading so much out of context

Glenn def wont be back lol

[Gratefully Dead]

Oh my god, Glenn's back! And Sirius Black! And J.R. from Dallas! This is the best day ever!

Only if Anya from Buffy is back too. :(

[Xarne]

Oh my god, Glenn's back! And Sirius Black! And J.R. from Dallas! This is the best day ever!

Dont forget Old Yeller; Bambi's mom and Capt Ahab

[AceStarr]

lmao I cannot stop laughing at this! It's too fucking funny.

lol

[DreadMagus]

Someone's overusing the old yeller schtick.....

[Xarne]

Someone's overusing the old yeller schtick.....

ya I know but I cant be bothered googling popular dead chars or going into unrecognizable icons, bear with me lol

[DreadMagus]

heh, you do make a good counterpoint.

[Master of Aeons]

Only if Anya from Buffy is back too. :(

BUNNIES aren't just cute like everyBODY supposes! THEY GOT those hoppy legs and TWITCHY LITTLE NOSES! And WHAT'S with ALL THE CARROTS?!?! WHAT DO THEY NEED SUCH GOOD EYESlGHT FOR ANYWAY?!?!

[Cyreen]

ya I know but I cant be bothered googling popular dead chars or going into unrecognizable icons, bear with me lol

I was my line first.

[Xarne]

Cyreen was that you with the:
you cant unshot Old Yeller?

cause ya I did get that from you

[servantofoni]

well lily will get her's once the walking dead season 3 comes out she is actually in the comics when they meet with the govener at the prison

[Lars80]

i think alot of people miss out on a very important point.

This game is a very linear game. Whatever you do, the outcome is the same.
This is not a rpg game like KOTOR where your choices matter this or that way.
This is not a FPS game.
What carry this game is the characters in it. Or atleast for my part it is. What telltale did is take them all away except for Kenny and Clem.

This is like one of those movies where in a sequel they take out the entire cast and replace them with new people. Since when did that ever turn out to be a good thing?

What we have been discussing on this forum since pretty much day 1 has all been taken out in 10 minutes.

I think most of us knew it was a matter of time before Carley was gonna get it and Lilly was gonna leave.
But telltale should have waited untill episode 5 if they wanted a mass slaughter. Otherwise they should have taken them out one at the time.

Now, for alot of people playing episode 4 will be like starting over. And ill do it, but the enthusiasm for the game is gone.
I am not curious what episode 4 will bring because i dont see how it can top episode 3.

[DreadMagus]

But... what if it does?

[Xarne]

That's a bit harsh isnt it? Starting over? You and Clem are the story, everyone else are just support actors- the bodycount is the same. If you mean starting over emotionally, like bonds and friends? this is the za :) I just need my health and a nice blunt weapon

[Master of Aeons]

You were invested in episode 1 and 2. Why wouldn't a reset be the same? You didn't even meet Carley and Katjaa first.

[NessaT]

Over the fucking line, telltale.

Not buying your shit anymore. Fuck you

I feel your pain. :( Still, I bought this game because I wanted a Zombie game that I can play instead of freaky ones like Left for Dead / Resident Evil. I have no interest in any of the other games offered on the website though - just this one.

In any case, I was a little bit sad at how easily characters were killed off or just conveniently left the episode. Apart from Clem, we are not allowed to have any real relationship in-game - everything is transient.

Episode 1
Killed - Doug / Carly, Shawn, Chet (sp?), Mad Woman
Left the group - Glenn

Episode 2
Killed - Teacher, Ben's friend, Larry, Mark (I LIKED him!), Jolene

Episode 3
Killed - Doug / Carly, Kaatja (No! Just... no!), Duck
Left the group - Lilly

Now we have only Kenny, Ben, Chuck, Omid and Christa for company - and I think most of them will be gone by Episode 4.

[Viden]

That's a bit harsh isnt it? Starting over? You and Clem are the story, everyone else are just support actors- the bodycount is the same. If you mean starting over emotionally, like bonds and friends? this is the za :)

In any case, I was a little bit sad at how easily characters were killed off or just conveniently left the episode. Apart from Clem, we are not allowed to have any real relationship in-game - everything is transient.

I've never posted until now, but I feel I must because I believe you two seem to be among the few that have worked it out. Anyone who's read the comic should be able to draw the parallel immediately.

In the comic, the main character is Rick Grimes. His defining purpose is to protect his family, no matter the cost. Even if it means everyone else dies.

In the game, it's no different, and I think that's what people should have taken away from this episode. This is exactly the reaction that was intended. You were emotionally invested in those characters, and you felt their loss. What happened to the others is a tragedy, but as Lee said, he and Clementine are a team. No matter what happens, they'll have each other. Lee's fighting for Clementine, because she's all he has left. And it's precisely that fact that makes me terrified of what's to come.

[Xarne]

I feel bad for people who werent prepared for this TWD based on Kirkmans world.
It seems like everyone here was expecting some kind of Meet'n'Greet but with zombies.
I was expecting lots of tension and death. Not looking to make friends, but was looking for able bodies for my group.

[DreadMagus]

I have to admit, I'm surprised there hasn't been a higher body count.

[V1V4L4]

It's not like you didn't expect people to die, it's the apocalypse, the people are more dangerous than the walkers.
Please, let the women be dead. You only knew her for 3 1/2 episodes, there's 2 whole episodes to connect with all the new people, that's plenty of time when you realize how long you actually knew Carly.

[V1V4L4]

I feel bad for people who werent prepared for this TWD based on Kirkmans world.
It seems like everyone here was expecting some kind of Meet'n'Greet but with zombies.
I was expecting lots of tension and death. Not looking to make friends, but was looking for able bodies for my group.

Oh, how i wish there was a like button.

[Master of Aeons]

And if you look on your left, you will find a walker. Wave hi, everyone. Sorry, no photos ma'am. I don't care where you work. Does that camera even have power? Now, we'll continue our tour through Woodbury. Here is the scene of the great pillow fight where the zombies constructed a blanket fort and sieged the town of pillows. I hear there was lots of bruises, but we - as always - have trained medical professionals with us at all times.

[V1V4L4]

And if you look on your left, you will find a walker. Wave hi, everyone. Sorry, no photos ma'am. I don't care where you work. Does that camera even have power? Now, we'll continue our tour through Woodbury. Here is the scene of the great pillow fight where the zombies constructed a blanket fort and sieged the town of pillows. I hear there was lots of bruises, but we - as always - have trained medical professionals with us at all times.

The Governors smile scares me though...It's so angry

[Xarne]

And if you look on your left, you will find a walker. Wave hi, everyone. Sorry, no photos ma'am. I don't care where you work. Does that camera even have power? Now, we'll continue our tour through Woodbury. Here is the scene of the great pillow fight where the zombies constructed a blanket fort and sieged the town of pillows. I hear there was lots of bruises, but we - as always - have trained medical professionals with us at all times.

Everyone, please keep your name tags nice and high so everyone can see them.
Just a little further now, and we'll have some food and beverages a bit further along the tour. And we're walking.

[Lars80]

That's a bit harsh isnt it? Starting over? You and Clem are the story, everyone else are just support actors- the bodycount is the same. If you mean starting over emotionally, like bonds and friends? this is the za :) I just need my health and a nice blunt weapon

May be that Lee and Clem is the story. But then it is a really bad story.

And your skills with a blunt weapon doesnt matter, because you dont get to use it unless telltale write it into the script.

[Maugly]

In the comic, the main character is Rick Grimes. His defining purpose is to protect his family, no matter the cost. Even if it means everyone else dies.

I think comics fans are missing the point there. Many people play this game not because it's based on comics. So any suggestions 'you should have read comics to know what to expect' are, well, wrong. They should have advertise the game as 'how you read Kirkman's comics matter', not 'what choices you make matter'.
And Clementine is not very appealing character, whooping 25% plays would prefer Lee surviving over Clementine. I for one honestly don't get this children stuff.

[Lars80]

Oh, and this game is not about "surviving in the zombie world."
Because your gonna survive no matter what you do, and if you die, you go back 2 steps and try again.

And ya, the "raising a child" in the zombie apocalypse is not very appealing.
And the "Lee and Clem are partners and got eachothers back" is not very appealing either.

This game starts over in episode 4, and the 3 episodes doesnt matter. Everything you did before does not matter, the decisions you made died along with the characters who died or left.

And if you do find Clems parents and they want her back. Well, of course they do. And your job is done. Anything else would be outrages.

[jaybreezy]

Oh, and this game is not about "surviving in the zombie world."
Because your gonna survive no matter what you do, and if you die, you go back 2 steps and try again.

And ya, the "raising a child" in the zombie apocalypse is not very appealing.
And the "Lee and Clem are partners and got eachothers back" is not very appealing either.

Speak for yourself. I actually find it pretty appealing.

[Viden]

This game starts over in episode 4, and the 3 episodes doesnt matter. Everything you did before does not matter, the decisions you made died along with the characters who died or left.

So you're saying that you could have started at Episode 4 and been fine? I'm sorry, but I've just noticed how bitter you are in general with this whole thing. I can understand that things may not have gone as you wanted, and even that the freedom of choice may have been played up a bit. But in the end, when everyone you know is dead, it doesn't particularly matter what you said to them, or what you chose to do for/to them. All you have is their memory.

Life is about the experience. The fun's in the journey, not the destination. On top of that, the journey's not even over. We have two episodes to go.

And that's what the point is. It isn't any one thing, be it survival, choices, raising a child, etc. It's all about the narrative, the story. You can be as bitter as you want that your choices "don't matter" or that your choices "died with the characters." But in the end, this is someone else's story. You simply can't have total creative freedom in someone else's narrative.

Am I saying that it's perfect? Far from it. But this is the type of game that you take away exactly what you put in it. If you look at it as a game, then you'll treat it as a game, and take away only the gameplay.

I look at it as a story. I feel for the characters, I'm saddened by their loss, their hardship. I'm simply not thinking about the gameplay or the promises that were made about it. I think you'd enjoy it a lot more if you can separate the two.

Sorry for running this way off-topic.

[zapphoman]

So you're saying that you could have started at Episode 4 and been fine? I'm sorry, but I've just noticed how bitter you are in general with this whole thing. I can understand that things may not have gone as you wanted, and even that the freedom of choice may have been played up a bit. But in the end, when everyone you know is dead, it doesn't particularly matter what you said to them, or what you chose to do for/to them. All you have is their memory.

Life is about the experience. The fun's in the journey, not the destination. On top of that, the journey's not even over. We have two episodes to go.

And that's what the point is. It isn't any one thing, be it survival, choices, raising a child, etc. It's all about the narrative, the story. You can be as bitter as you want that your choices "don't matter" or that your choices "died with the characters." But in the end, this is someone else's story. You simply can't have total creative freedom in someone else's narrative.

Am I saying that it's perfect? Far from it. But this is the type of game that you take away exactly what you put in it. If you look at it as a game, then you'll treat it as a game, and take away only the gameplay.

I look at it as a story. I feel for the characters, I'm saddened by their loss, their hardship. I'm simply not thinking about the gameplay or the promises that were made about it. I think you'd enjoy it a lot more if you can separate the two.

Sorry for running this way off-topic.

This is how I look at the game as well. I do love the story and characters (that's why it was so heartbreaking for me to see Carly die that way) and to those that say they don't find the babysitter theme appealing, well that's your opinion. I personally love it.

Especially since Sweet Pea is the only thing keeping my Lee going now.

[V1V4L4]

I think comics fans are missing the point there. Many people play this game not because it's based on comics. So any suggestions 'you should have read comics to know what to expect' are, well, wrong

We suggest you read the comics so you can all stop complaining about the deaths, it's the ZA, people die. I honestly consider the deaths in the game as characters getting off easy compared to what is actually happening to people in this post apocalyptic world full of bandits, rapist, crazy warlords, and cults. The suggestion to read the comics is far from wrong, it's the same world, same results...no one is safe and how someone dies doesn't matter, they're dead.

[8Bit_System]

Oh, and this game is not about "surviving in the zombie world."
Because your gonna survive no matter what you do, and if you die, you go back 2 steps and try again.

And ya, the "raising a child" in the zombie apocalypse is not very appealing.
And the "Lee and Clem are partners and got eachothers back" is not very appealing either.

This game starts over in episode 4, and the 3 episodes doesnt matter. Everything you did before does not matter, the decisions you made died along with the characters who died or left.

And if you do find Clems parents and they want her back. Well, of course they do. And your job is done. Anything else would be outrages.
Speak for yourself. I actually find it pretty appealing.
I was just going to say the exact same thing. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean we all shouldn't. I am really enjoying myself with the game.

[Maugly]

We suggest you read the comics so you can all stop complaining about the deaths, it's the ZA, people die. I honestly consider the deaths in the game as characters getting off easy compared to what is actually happening to people in this post apocalyptic world full of bandits, rapist, crazy warlords, and cults. The suggestion to read the comics is far from wrong, it's the same world, same results...no one is safe and how someone dies doesn't matter, they're dead.

It's the wrong suggestion. It's the game on it's own, not some accompanying product. I don't see 'read comics before playing this game' line in the beginning of an each episode.

[Master of Aeons]

It's the wrong suggestion. It's the game on it's own, not some accompanying product. I don't see 'read comics before playing this game' line in the beginning of an each episode.

How about "Please grow up before playing this game"? People die, it's brutal. You'd get that if you read the comics or had a handle on the tone of the series. They're not going to Sugarcandy Mountain at the end of this. If you don't expect Lee or Clem to die still, you really need to switch to something more optimistic of a universe.

[Maugly]

How about "Please grow up before playing this game"? People die, it's brutal. You'd get that if you read the comics or had a handle on the tone of the series. They're not going to Sugarcandy Mountain at the end of this. If you don't expect Lee or Clem to die still, you really need to switch to something more optimistic of a universe.

How about "Please read some the thread before replying"?
Sooo? People die not only in TWD. I have already wrote out there: L dies, Aeris dies, Carley dies, that's not what the problem to me. The problem for me is not that Carley dies but is that she dies unbelievably. Please refer to 'Limited Choice Discussion' thread where I state my choice in more details.

[bakajin]

I'm an avid fan of the books. Given that the producers intended for the game to be adhere to canon as opposed to the television series, it's helpful for people to read the books first or along side. It is doesn't mean they have to read them to enjoy the game. If TT wants people to get a feel of the books from playing the game, that's cool, but let those who've only played the game come to that place at their own pace. They may find that Kirkman's vision is not for them. They may appreciate the game aspects, the RPG-lite stuff, more than the grim worldview of the books. No point in crucifying those who have a different vision of a ZA from those of us who've bought into Kirkman's view.

(and even though I like the books I haven't bought into Kirkman's vision completely)

[Master of Aeons]

The problem for me is not...

Sorry, pal. Lumped you in with other parts of the argument, Lars I think. My point is more a blanket statement about people turned off by death in media.

If TT wants people to get a feel of the books from playing the game, that's cool, but let those who've only played the game come to that place at their own pace. They may find that Kirkman's vision is not for them.

This isn't meant to imply that we should change the tone until everyone is ready to be in the universe that was advertised, is it? Because I'd hate to compromise that world for those people who think this is the same zombie atmosphere as L4D2.

(Yes, I like L4D2, but the tone is a world away from Walking Dead.)

[Lars80]

How about "Please grow up before playing this game"? People die, it's brutal. You'd get that if you read the comics or had a handle on the tone of the series. They're not going to Sugarcandy Mountain at the end of this. If you don't expect Lee or Clem to die still, you really need to switch to something more optimistic of a universe.

So anyone who disagree or have another opinion than you need to grow up?

Actually, this game is sugarcandy mountain. I dont see Clem or Lee being chewed up.

What happens in this "game" is out of your controll. You select dialouge options and thats it. This game is very linear for being released in 2012.
RPG games being released 10 years ago offered more options than TWDG does.

[DreadMagus]

sugarcandy?

That's a little extreme.

The story is about Lee/Clem.... expecting them to get bit before episode 4, or dying before episode 5 is unrealistic.

[Gratefully Dead]

Lee dies, a lot, depending on how you play but then the game ends... :P

Just saying.

I'm loving the story and like seeing the reactions through multiple playthroughs differ. Maybe I can't piss in someone's coffee and make them drink it. But I feel like I can do enough and enjoy the journey.

Even in Heavy Rain, it steamrolls to the same conclusion with different outcomes. Whose to say that isn't what's going to happen here? One place, one time, get there... but many different outcomes?

We'll have to wait and see.

[Maugly]

The story is about Lee/Clem.... expecting them to get bit before episode 4, or dying before episode 5 is unrealistic.

I can only reinstate that I really hope it's not a candy story about murderer taking care of random girl.

[DreadMagus]

Well, we KNOW Lee won't die until the very last moment of the very last game at the VERY earliest.

The faq says we ONLY play as Lee.

[Maugly]

But still, may be we will see Clementine eaten.

[Legionari3]

This is off the wiki
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Carley
"Carley's VA, Nicole Vigil has confirmed on her Facebook fan page that Carley makes her exit from the game in Episode 3, stating that while she very much likes her character, Carley's fate of dying has been determined much earlier by the game developers in Telltale Games, as a result of wanting to stay true to the recrring themes in The Walking Dead."
Tried to find the Facebook page but couldn't find it

[Murasaki]

Well, we KNOW Lee won't die until the very last moment of the very last game at the VERY earliest.

The faq says we ONLY play as Lee.

I don't know... It would be a very interesting plot twist if the player assumes control of another character if Lee is killed off early. Perhaps you could take control of Clem and her decisions/actions are based on how your Lee cared for her.

[DreadMagus]

LOL that'd be hilarious - and totally in line with the "Carley will remember you supported her.... for the next 30 seconds and into the afterlife!!!" way the prompts keep coming up.

Lee! You taught me to survive!
Yes Clem, I did a damned good job!
What now, everyone else is dead?
Let's leave and find a car or a boat or a plane and get the hell out of here, this place smells like.. well...
Like shit, right Lee?
Yeah.
<Opens door, Lee walks out>
Clem tries to leave, hands grab her! Cut to Black! Sounds of Zombies Eating!
Lee doing a Vader... ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[ZombieGoBoom]

A thing I have been saying is: We are not reading about Lee Everette, we ARE Lee Everette. Yes this is a game based upon a comic book but we are interacting with the characters, in the middle of it all and we can become quite attached to them. When Carley dies, it becomes a little more personal than reading a comic book. I was shocked when she died and became mad after finding there was not I can do to change it but I hope she is not completely forgotten in episode 4.

I also know this is a brutal world. I figured it out when Shaun died and that bitten woman at the motel committed suicide. When Doug got pulled through the window by zombies because I picked Carley over him, seconds later Larry tried to leave me for dead. Me hacking the leg off that teacher to get him out that trap to save him from approaching zombies and watching one of his student's get pulled apart. Seeing a bandit blowing the other one away over some argument. Seeing one of the brothers killing that crazy woman because she was about to warn me about them. Finding Mark with his legs gone and later dragging himself across the floor, begging for help. Larry getting his head smashed in by Kenny. The mother getting eaten by zombie Mark. Me pounding the other brother almost to death because I didn't know I could stop at any time. And Carley was killed to let us know that life can end at any time. Uh... thanks?

[Master of Aeons]

Actually, this game is sugarcandy mountain. I dont see Clem or Lee being chewed up.


I've said this before, all narrative games are by design linear. Unless you're in a sandbox, you will always have the same path and same result. BioWare is no better, you're still on tracks.

This game isn't Sugarcandy Mountain (an Orwellian reference, for those of you playing at home), people are dying left and right. And you think Clem and Lee are going to survive in most if not all endings?

Can I bookmark this most to cite come episode 5?

[Maugly]

Well then how comes visual novels - narrative games! - manages somehow not only to throw in different events based on your different choices, but also offer you some 3-10 significantly different storylines after about 2/3 of the game?
And that's what they are by design.

[DreadMagus]

They're visual novels? And not adventure games?

I have to admit, I have no idea what a visual novel is.

[Maugly]

They pretty similar in most aspects to TWD: you've got to chose one of the options, the game is story-driven etc. So I don't see no reason why TWD could have been made this way, especially when it claims that my choice matters.

[DreadMagus]

Do they have animations? or is it all splash screens?

[Master of Aeons]

Because it's all text and light animation. I could program one of those myself with little overhead. You do know that planning something and developing it into an actual game is very different (financially), right?

[Marleysativa]

They're visual novels? And not adventure games?

I have to admit, I have no idea what a visual novel is.

I think they're basically stories told over static images. Apparently the "player" can choose different routes through the story. I'm not even sure that I'd classify that as a game though.

[DreadMagus]

Well hell, that's just a digital "choose your own adventure" book....

[Maugly]

Depends. Usually, they're not. But I think it'd be much simplier for 3D characters like in TWD, since with modern engines, once you made a character, you just 'pull the strings' to make them do specific pose. So it is unlikely to me that several variants of Carley death would significantly affect development cost. Probably, much less than they're going to lose now because of quitters.

[DreadMagus]

I hope you realize, animation is more than "pulling strings on a marionette"

And when you add in additional models, you have to avoid unwanted collision and clipping...

[Maugly]

I do realize, but, still, major work is done when the model is first made, so I really do not think 'Make your own adventure' variant would have cost much more. And many players has already pointed out that they'd rather pay and wait more for a quality product.

[Cyreen]

And many players has already pointed out that they'd rather pay and wait more for a quality product.

Oh was that what they were screaming while waiting for episode 3? I must have blocked that out.

[Marleysativa]

Depends. Usually, they're not. But I think it'd be much simplier for 3D characters like in TWD, since with modern engines, once you made a character, you just 'pull the strings' to make them do specific pose. So it is unlikely to me that several variants of Carley death would significantly affect development cost. Probably, much less than they're going to lose now because of quitters.

I'm not really sure that you're aware of the vast differences between the two. Static text over an image is much different than a game in a 3d engine. I regret googling visual novels and looking around now. I've seen some shit, guys... I've seen some shit. I guess you could call it fap-fiction, haha.

Edit: Your avatar and sig. are awesome btw Dread.

[DreadMagus]

eeew


Edit: Your avatar and sig. are awesome btw Dread.

Why thank you. :)

[Xarne]

And many players has already pointed out that they'd rather pay and wait more for a quality product.

Everyone says that but the entire month of august was miserable in here 'waaa wheres my game, waaaa'...for a $5 episode.
And you think they would more complacent when they shell out more money and wait longer? Come on.
Especially now, the format is established- doing that would turn this place into a rancid pisshole, imo.
Hey Maug!

[Master of Aeons]

Yeah, novel games aren't a good analog for adventure games. You can create something with tons of options and branching decisions, but management is just going to tell you to streamline it and put it into a budget that's 2% of your projection.

Actually, we had someone put a choose your own adventure on this forum. All we need is an artist and programmer and we could make our own infinitely spanning game with still images.

[bakajin]

This isn't meant to imply that we should change the tone until everyone is ready to be in the universe that was advertised, is it? Because I'd hate to compromise that world for those people who think this is the same zombie atmosphere as L4D2.



I don't see how you got there from what I said. Letting people get there on their own means that if they get it, they will come to appreciate Kirkman's view eventually. If TWD is not for them, it isn't. Reading the books isn't going to "educate" them on how to be a proper fan.

[bakajin]

A thing I have been saying is: We are not reading about Lee Everette, we ARE Lee Everette. Yes this is a game based upon a comic book but we are interacting with the characters, in the middle of it all and we can become quite attached to them. When Carley dies, it becomes a little more personal than reading a comic book. I was shocked when she died and became mad after finding there was not I can do to change it but I hope she is not completely forgotten in episode 4.

I also know this is a brutal world. I figured it out when Shaun died and that bitten woman at the motel committed suicide. When Doug got pulled through the window by zombies because I picked Carley over him, seconds later Larry tried to leave me for dead. Me hacking the leg off that teacher to get him out that trap to save him from approaching zombies and watching one of his student's get pulled apart. Seeing a bandit blowing the other one away over some argument. Seeing one of the brothers killing that crazy woman because she was about to warn me about them. Finding Mark with his legs gone and later dragging himself across the floor, begging for help. Larry getting his head smashed in by Kenny. The mother getting eaten by zombie Mark. Me pounding the other brother almost to death because I didn't know I could stop at any time. And Carley was killed to let us know that life can end at any time. Uh... thanks?

Well that's the difference between Carley dying and those other characters you mentioned. her passing isn't simply about the fragility of life. Her's is about you experiencing, vicariously, losing someone you care about.

Personally I think the game failed on that score because you don't really get any bonding time with Carley/Doug even if you play Angelic-Lee. It's really sudden, you are suddenly presented with a "choice" to like her and then some minutes of gameplay later she is walker food. They had the opportunity to put off her death until Ep 4 or 5 (or later) for the real gut shot that most TWD fans (or even experienced RPG players) could see coming.

Even though this is TWD and yes DEATH is around EVERY CORNER, it's still a trope. You know when a girl tells Bond she loves him you should call the undertaker.

[Xarne]

I don't see how you got there from what I said. Letting people get there on their own means that if they get it, they will come to appreciate Kirkman's view eventually. If TWD is not for them, it isn't. Reading the books isn't going to "educate" them on how to be a proper fan.

Sorry I disagree 100%. If you've never read the comics then, yes, all the constant death and character turnover is going to be a huge surpise to you...if you havent noticed by the Carley threads and the rabid agenda to either get her back or patch her back in. People just cant accept death in VG.
Most group-based games allow you to keep teammates til the end or at the very least swap them out temporarily for another.
People dont like losing their 'friends', especially ones they have a bond with, I get that- but if you read the comics you would know this is par for course (and people wouldnt be bawling their eyes out over 1 character).
And really, the game isnt even touching the tip of the iceberg compared to the darkness in the comics.

So no, they dont have to read the comics , but it will sure help with all the 'omg omg omg she/he is dead omg Im dead inside, I cant get out of bed' and all that BS

[bakajin]

Sorry I disagree 100%. If you've never read the comics then, yes, all the constant death and character turnover is going to be a huge surpise to you...if you havent noticed by the Carley threads and the rabid agenda to either get her back or patch her back in. People just cant accept death in VG.
Most group-based games allow you to keep teammates til the end or at the very least swap them out temporarily for another.
People dont like losing their 'friends', especially ones they have a bond with, I get that- but if you read the comics you would know this is par for course (and people wouldnt be their your eyes out over 1 character).
And really, the game isnt even touching the tip of the iceberg compared to the darkness in the comics.
So no, they dont have to read the comics , but it will sure help with all the 'omg omg omg she/he is dead omg Im dead inside, I cant get out of bed' and all that BS

So it's going to help keep people from complaining about the game play if they read the comics? Hmm.

So no other form of entertainment treats the apocalypse, zombie or not, with the same gravitas as does TWD?

So no other game kills off popular characters?

So everyone reacts the same way to the same material?

[Xarne]

So it's going to help keep people from complaining about the game play if they read the comics? Hmm.

So no other form of entertainment treats the apocalypse, zombie or not, with the same gravitas as does TWD?

So no other game kills off popular characters?

So everyone reacts the same way to the same material?

Reading comprehension; not your strongest trait, is it?
As to your 1st question: Yes; it will help them understand that in a ZA people DIE. Alot. And who is here today is not guaranteed to be here tomorrow.
Now, you tell me how you derived any of your other questions out of my statement and we can continue this discussion. First, maybe get some fresh air.

[bakajin]

Reading comprehension; not your strongest trait, is it?
As to your 1st question: Yes; it will help them understand that in a ZA people DIE. Alot. And who is here today is not guaranteed to be here tomorrow.
Now, you tell me how you derived any of your other questions out of my statement and we can continue this discussion. First, maybe get some fresh air.

Oh please, don't waste my time attempting to flame. It's weak you tried to apply one of my earlier comments here.

Saying that "people die" is not exactly a trademark of TWD. Pick any of today's "edgy" serial entertainment (Sopranos, Breaking Bad), it's there. Hell, it's a cliche these days.

Now, you implied the other questions in your statement. It's implicit in the conceit that one can only understand that "people die in a ZA. ALOT" if they read TWD. I trust that most people can get that from, oh, watching the opening scene from any one of the SCREAM movies. It's in any kind of slasher/survival horror stories. You start out with a group, they get knocked off one by one until you have the surviving heroine/hero at the end. The bleak vision of TWD is not new.

Also implicit in the concept that if people read the books they will "get it" is that everyone reacts the same way to the same material. They may read the books and even suddenly realize that OMG PEOPLE DIE! That doesn't mean they won't come back and complain about Carley getting killed.

You flat out said that "group-based games allow you to keep teammates til the end or at the very least swap them out temporarily for another." If you read anything about the flap over ME3 you'd know that TWD is certainly not the only game where major characters don't make it until the end.

Nihilism and anomie are not new concepts.

Some people like happy endings. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, annoying though it may be.

[skepticalguy90]

Reading comprehension; not your strongest trait, is it?
As to your 1st question: Yes; it will help them understand that in a ZA people DIE. Alot. And who is here today is not guaranteed to be here tomorrow.
Now, you tell me how you derived any of your other questions out of my statement and we can continue this discussion. First, maybe get some fresh air.

I think some people will respond to it differently than others. I mean, I understand that in the Zombie apocalypse are going to die, apparently in droves. But I don't think you'll see some people just come to accept it. Honestly, for me it's a turn off. When I watch a show or read a book, I invest in the characters. Watching them get killed off at a rapid/steady rate just teaches me to avoid becoming "attached" to characters and take a more apathetic approach to the whole series. In essence, it sort of ruins the entire intent of the story/game for me.

[Xarne]

Oh please, don't waste my time attempting to flame. It's weak you tried to apply one of my earlier comments here.

Saying that "people die" is not exactly a trademark of TWD. Pick any of today's "edgy" serial entertainment (Sopranos, Breaking Bad), it's there. Hell, it's a cliche these days.

Now, you implied the other questions in your statement. It's implicit in the conceit that one can only understand that "people die in a ZA. ALOT" if they read TWD. I trust that most people can get that from, oh, watching the opening scene from any one of the SCREAM movies. It's in any kind of slasher/survival horror stories. You start out with a group, they get knocked off one by one until you have the surviving heroine/hero at the end. The bleak vision of TWD is not new.

Also implicit in the concept that if people read the books they will "get it" is that everyone reacts the same way to the same material. They may read the books and even suddenly realize that OMG PEOPLE DIE! That doesn't mean they won't come back and complain about Carley getting killed.

You flat out said that "group-based games allow you to keep teammates til the end or at the very least swap them out temporarily for another." If you read anything about the flap over ME3 you'd know that TWD is certainly not the only game where major characters don't make it until the end.

Nihilism and anomie are not new concepts.

Some people like happy endings. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, annoying though it may be.

Ok, I cant debate with people who cant process data correctly and worse, distort it or make some kinda of straw man out of it to justify a flawed view.
- I never said 'people die' was exclusive to TWD
- I never said TWD is the first game in the world where main character die
- and I dont imply stuff cause I dont want people confusing what I say
"People dont like losing their 'friends', especially ones they have a bond with, I get that"- remember this? I do, I said it.

Quite simply, you said reading the comics would not help the player appreciate the TWD world. I disagreed. You went into some kinda of defensive stance and went on about The Sopranos, Scream and various 'edgy' shows...it wasnt an attack, but you seem to have taken it as one. I didnt realize you were so sensitive, I apologize.

[Marleysativa]

I think some people will respond to it differently than others. I mean, I understand that in the Zombie apocalypse are going to die, apparently in droves. But I don't think you'll see some people just come to accept it. Honestly, for me it's a turn off. When I watch a show or read a book, I invest in the characters. Watching them get killed off at a rapid/steady rate just teaches me to avoid becoming "attached" to characters and take a more apathetic approach to the whole series. In essence, it sort of ruins the entire intent of the story/game for me.

That's a shame. The comics kinda gave me that feeling for a while but I'd just end up enjoying the new characters. Issue 100 almost turned me off to the series though, as it did another poster here. Wanting to see a character avenged has kinda got me reading again though.

In this series (TWDG) I've really enjoyed almost all of the characters. Carley, Lilly, Kenny, Doug, Katjaa, and Duck all really grew on me. Above all though, I dig the interaction and the relationship between Clem and Lee. While episode 3 was brutal, that relationship will easily keep me coming back.

[skepticalguy90]

That's a shame. The comics kinda gave me that feeling for a while but I'd just end up enjoying the new characters. Issue 100 almost turned me off to the series though, as it did another poster here. Wanting to see a character avenged has kinda got me reading again though.

In this series (TWDG) I've really enjoyed almost all of the characters. Carley, Lilly, Kenny, Doug, Katjaa, and Duck all really grew on me. Above all though, I dig the interaction and the relationship between Clem and Lee. While episode 3 was brutal, that relationship will easily keep me coming back.

I think the biggest problem for me with the remaining two episodes, is that you know it is going to get darker. I mean, episode 3 was pretty dark, so I don't think there are many places for TT left to go besides killing Lee/Clem or traumatizing them beyond the point of no return.

[Cyreen]

I haven't read the comics, but knew what to expect. As in everything, there is an element of buyer beware.

I think the biggest problem for me with the remaining two episodes, is that you know it is going to get darker.


There's a thread here somewhere making predictions for how episode 4 could be worse. I haven't and won't read it. Whatever Telltale comes up with will be horror enough; it's like a dark voyeurism that holds your interest. I wanna see where it goes.

[ZombieGoBoom]

I think the biggest problem for me with the remaining two episodes, is that you know it is going to get darker. I mean, episode 3 was pretty dark, so I don't think there are many places for TT left to go besides killing Lee/Clem or traumatizing them beyond the point of no return.

All there is left for me is Clem and everyone else is barely on my radar. If the next episode is supposed to be darker and if one or two in the group are going to die, will I have time to care.

[ZacTB]

Carley was a great character, but I hope she doesn't return. I liked her since Episode 1, and she saved Clementine from a zombie by shooting her when Lee fell over because I couldn't get to her in time. I was kind of disappointed that she wasn't in Episode 2 so much but Telltale really made her at her best in the start of Episode 3. The kiss and flirting between Lee and Carley was really well done and her death was so shocking, and I think it would cheapen her character if they brought her back. The scene leading up to her death was so great though, and when she says "You think you're some tough bitch, don't you? Like nothing can hurt you, but you're just a scared little girl. Get the fuck over it. Take a page from Lee's book and try helping somebody for once"

[bakajin]

Ok, I cant debate with people who cant process data correctly and worse, distort it or make some kinda of straw man out of it to justify a flawed view.
- I never said 'people die' was exclusive to TWD
- I never said TWD is the first game in the world where main character die
- and I dont imply stuff cause I dont want people confusing what I say
"People dont like losing their 'friends', especially ones they have a bond with, I get that"- remember this? I do, I said it.

Quite simply, you said reading the comics would not help the player appreciate the TWD world. I disagreed. You went into some kinda of defensive stance and went on about The Sopranos, Scream and various 'edgy' shows...it wasnt an attack, but you seem to have taken it as one. I didnt realize you were so sensitive, I apologize.

Dude, you're the one with the reading issues (how was that not an attack when you said I had reading comprehension issues, btw?). I didn't write that you wrote "people die" was exclusive to TWD. I quoted you exactly using copy/paste. I didn't write you said that TWD "was the first game in the world." Never.

It's done then.

[HAcoreRD]

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

/plug

[Xarne]

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

/plug

lol it works because they're both night scenes

[Master of Aeons]

I'm an avid fan of the books. Given that the producers intended for the game to be adhere to canon as opposed to the television series, it's helpful for people to read the books first or along side. It is doesn't mean they have to read them to enjoy the game. If TT wants people to get a feel of the books from playing the game, that's cool, but let those who've only played the game come to that place at their own pace. They may find that Kirkman's vision is not for them. They may appreciate the game aspects, the RPG-lite stuff, more than the grim worldview of the books. No point in crucifying those who have a different vision of a ZA from those of us who've bought into Kirkman's view.

(and even though I like the books I haven't bought into Kirkman's vision completely)

Your original. ^ I then ask if this implies a sorter translation to cater to newbies.

I don't see how you got there from what I said. Letting people get there on their own means that if they get it, they will come to appreciate Kirkman's view eventually. If TWD is not for them, it isn't. Reading the books isn't going to "educate" them on how to be a proper fan.

It's a pretty safe jump that someone who isn't sold on Kirkman's vision and sides with fans who are new to the series and put off by the "hardcore ruleset" would advocate a tamer take of the series.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a bit of shutout. A good series should alienate its fans now and again and give them something to think about. Remember in How I Met Your Mother when Marshall's dad died in a huge downer ending? Remember Buffy Season 6? Remember Serenity? I lean pretty close to the "kill them all" idea, and roll my eyes when someone predictably cries foul.

Should reading the books be required? No, you're right on that one. But people should be a little less sensitive to the idea that people can die in their favorite stories.

[Xarne]

Should reading the books be required? No, you're right on that one. But people should be a little less sensitive to the idea that people can die in their favorite stories.

I agree 10 million%, my only take is that people are coming here from the TV series? Things are going at a lot slower pace in that.

Even if I didnt read the comics; I'd still applaud TTG for taking everyone out of their comfort zone. It wouldnt be realistic expecting 5 totally normal people to survive the start of a ZA, remember this is happening at the same time or a little earlier than the start of the source material. No one has any idea what or why this is going on, they're running off fear and a survival mode mentality

[bakajin]

Nihilism for nihilism's sake (or, to get a rise out of fans or viewers) never makes for good storytelling. That's why I haven't completely bought into what Kirkman does, as when he said he killed off Tyreese, then responded to the many complaints (and I'm paraphrasing) everyone dies in this book. I'd have felt better with "Tyreese's death will make Rick a stronger leader." I know he was responding to some race issues there, and well we don't have to go into that here seeing as we are all happily playing as Lee :).

I think it's a stretch to interpret my statement as hoping to "cater" to newbies or even being on their "side." I don't see that there's sides to this thing. I just don't get complaining that they should be less sensitive.

And I'll add, I totally get being defensive about TWD especially if you've been with the books before the show and the show before the game. It's easy to get frustrated with those who "don't get it." Still, it is art, which is open to interpretation.

[DreadMagus]

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

/plug

hahahah :) Well played.

[thestalkinghead]

what kirkman does isn't new, who watches a horror film and expects everyone to live?
the only shocking thing kirkman could do would be to kill rick

[DreadMagus]

That wouldn't even be shocking, he's hinted it might happen.

[thestalkinghead]

That wouldn't even be shocking, he's hinted it might happen.

i guess, but it would probably be story suicide, who are you supposed to care about if he dies?

[DreadMagus]

Which is why it probably won't happen.

[skepticalguy90]

Which is why it probably won't happen.

Until the series finale.

[DreadMagus]

True dat.

[Maugly]

I found myself thinking an interesting thought today. With all that hype about Clem, how she is the only one left to care about, I grew somewhat aggressive toward her.
It is something like 'you survived, while Carley does not get to live'. I guess it's jealousy. It's irrational, it's unpleasant, but I can't get over it somehow.

[Wrighty]

Yep I sort of felt the same at first to ben. I also made me SUPER protective of the characters I actually care about.

[Xarne]

I found myself thinking an interesting thought today. With all that hype about Clem, how she is the only one left to care about, I grew somewhat aggressive toward her.
It is something like 'you survived, while Carley does not get to live'. I guess it's jealousy. It's irrational, it's unpleasant, but I can't get over it somehow.

Cause everyone outside Ep 1 is 'an outsider' to 'your group', imo.
The bond you feel when you first meet everyone, hear their stories and how everyone came together in the drugstore (post Duck) made me feel like 'ok I think this group can actually make it through this.' When they die, naturally no one can take their place so these other people just feel like 'new recruits' to me until we go through some real crazy stuff with them, fuel tank didnt really count to me, I was still eyeing them over

[DreadMagus]

It'll get easier as time goes on.

How many stages of grief are there again?

[FoxxyFox]

It does look she got shot in the cheek but do people really think Carley come back with half of her face ripped and help Lee/Clem at Episode 5??

[Xarne]

It does look she got shot in the cheek but do people really think Carley come back with half of her face ripped and help Lee/Clem at Episode 5??

There are no major organs in the cheek region...crushing people's hopes leads to fake accounts being created and troll hunts then ensue. It's better to leave people to their dreams

[ZombieGoBoom]

It'll get easier as time goes on.

How many stages of grief are there again?

Too many. :(

[Master of Aeons]

Carley can't really be dead... WHY WOULD ANYONE KILL CARLEY??? Please give her back, I'll do anything... Ugh, I just can't live without her. But she's gone and I'll always remember her.