[SPOILERS] CARLEY [Ep 3 discussion]

[Oblivion1659]

Hey i am really annoyed about carley being shot when it happend i didnt even want to carry on playing anyway maybe they could bring carly back she could have just been grazed by the bullet.No one even checked to she if she was dead the group could meet up with her again.I wont be buying anymore episodes unless carly comes back my friends also said the same.

Please say in the comments that you want carly back and make a thread about this and then maybe telltale games will see that we want carly back.

[TrickyD]

As much as I want her back, she was shot in the face. She's dead.

[Jessabeth]

Yeah, don't see that happening. They can't really just erase what happened this episode.
It's a zombie game. People die.

[GreenBoy]

i didn't want Doug to die too but "it happened pretty fast" :) Lee's words of wisdom...

[divisionten]

Carley/Doug WILL die. The other stuff people have been complaining about? Apparently there are other alternatives. Nobody's found them yet, far as I've seen.

[j.em26]

I'm thinking.. at the RV, when you have a choice to accuse Ben, would that change the outcome of everything :/ ?
Guess not..

After seeing Carley and Lee's conversation in the motel, it just broke my heart even further.

[ZacTB]

As much as I hate that she was shot in the head, if Telltale somehow brought her back after that, I would lose faith in this game.

[gaddes]

I'm really mad about Carley getting killed off.

[CapnJay]

Eh from a Technical standpoint in Makes Sense. But there has Yet to been proven that you could save anyone in this episode or do anything diffrently. Omid Christa and Hobo Man has joined us. Was their Literally any decision that really mattered in this episode. Side With lily she abandoned you side with kenny lily abandons you. I think i'm getting depressed thinking about this.

[adam5555]

they should go back and add a button action sequence where lee can knock the gun away, and maybe the bullet only takes off his/her ear or something. it could take the story in an interesting direction atleast with a love interest.and the attempted shot could still get lily out of the group

[kirby18]

i think the story should end like this, lee was dreaming the entire time and wakes up in the back of the cop car. he than says, it was just a dream and ask the cop where are we and the cop turns around to be carly as a walker. a great setup for season 2. your welcome

[adam5555]

i think the story should end like this, lee was dreaming the entire time and wakes up in the back of the cop car. he than says, it was just a dream and ask the cop where are we and the cop turns around to be carly as a walker. a great setup for season 2. your welcome

perfect but then when the camera turns to lee after walker carly shock it turns out he is actually clem.

[ZombieGoBoom]

As much as I hate that she was shot in the head, if Telltale somehow brought her back after that, I would lose faith in this game.

I agree. I tried several ways to save Carley but failed and its hard to see her go like that on the side of a road and it kills the replay value of a great but heart-wrenching game.

However, there is nothing stopping Carley back in a dream or something because Lee is starting to have some wild dreams (zombie Clem). I hope it happens, I just want to say good-bye to her.

Edit: Kirkby18 beaten me to the dream idea.

[j.em26]

Well, now we know whose the traitor :/
It's Ben.
What justifies her death was the fact that she was killed in a quick and painless way.
Since she is meant to die no matter how the outcome turned out to be, I think TTG made an effort to put it in the most painless way possible. Although I highly disagree with their choices.

Killed her, and just leave the scene. To prevent us from tearing up any further.
At least, now we can shift our focus back to Clementine, who I have a feeling, will be surviving till the very end. Think of taking care of Clementine as Carley's last words if she and Lee ever had a thing going on.

[Jenizus]

Man I am so close to just giving up the game, because i liked the Carley character from the first second I met her in the first ep. It's like I cant put down the controller on this because I need to see what the ending is and it's an awesome game, but, on the other hand loosing Carley is a very very bad way to play out the game, as Carley is a very likable character and is very important to the story. All most as important as Clem.

On a side note I wish i had just saved Doug, then i wouldn't have been to upset about this...

[HNKenshiro]

I was really excited about something happening between Carley and Lee. Then at I thought about "man, what if they kill off Carley??"

Apparently I saw it coming. I'm really pissed about it too. Like I said, I hoped something between Carley and Lee would develop.

[SickBoy2212]

it sucked sure, but if you've read issue 100 of the comics, you'll know they love to pull that crap. NO don't bring her back. dead people stay dead, this isn't a soap opera.

[Dyslexsick]

Carley died. Lilly lived. I quit this game.

[fobwashed]

Stop playing. Nobody will care. You prolly stopped reading/watching Game of Thrones by the end of the first season. Most likely couldn't make it through the first trade paperback of Walking Dead comics. The whole point is that they can make you care enough about the characters that you could feel this way about them but seeing as you're missing the point, you might as well quit.

[Joe Newberry]

Forgetting the senselessness of her death, I just hope that someone took Carley aside in the three months between episodes and taught her about batteries. I would feel worse knowing she died without the basic knowledge of polarity.

[fobwashed]

Well, now we know whose the traitor :/
It's Ben.
What justifies her death was the fact that she was killed in a quick and painless way.
Since she is meant to die no matter how the outcome turned out to be, I think TTG made an effort to put it in the most painless way possible. Although I highly disagree with their choices.

Killed her, and just leave the scene. To prevent us from tearing up any further.
At least, now we can shift our focus back to Clementine, who I have a feeling, will be surviving till the very end. Think of taking care of Clementine as Carley's last words if she and Lee ever had a thing going on.

It really sucked bad that she died but I pressed on with the choices I made. I didn't know that she couldn't be saved at that point, but it really made the game that much more personal because I really liked her as a character too. TTG set me up beautifully because in the scene outside the train, I made a decision in the dialog and the toast popped up that said "Carley will remember what you said". Yea, she'll remember for all of 10 seconds before her eye eats a bullet. A damn shame but unexpected and believable for an off kilter crazy power crazed chick with a pistol to do what she did right after Carley called her out on being a scared little girl =\

I did go back and replay the section after I reached the end of the chapter to try to save her, but apparently, she's meant to be dead. The only consolation is that I couldn't have done anything differently to keep her around. . .

[der_ketzer]

Carley/Doug WILL die.

I was actually pretty surprised they kept Doug alive in Episode 2 but I predicted they will fall in Ep2 or Ep3 so I was right. They have to to reduce the workload for the episodes basically.

[Jedted]

I was crushed when Carly got shot. Normally i try playing through each episode straight through before going back and doing things differently. I actually closed the game cause i couldn't go any further(was able to go back in after getting a drink and cooling off).

So glad i was able to leave Lilly on the side of the road like that, clearly she wasn't leadership material and lost her head. Still wish there was some way to save Carly, or even Duck(annoying as that little brat was...).

[Dildor]

TTG managed to turn my eyes into waterfalls. I'm just happy that she got a quick, painless exit, I was expecting much worse for her.

[MalachXaviel]

Dunno, I expected Doug/Carly to die. Actually expected them to get killed off in episode 2 or something so I was surprised there (but Doug/Carly barely had any screen time in episode 2 so it doesn't really count).

From a technical stand point... I mean I'm sure just about everybody saw it coming because it would be more difficult story wise to keep them alive. Only thing that irks me is that the save Doug/Carly event was about the only thing that players have actually had control over that really impacted the story (pretty much every other choice either adds/subtracts to invisible statistics that get pulled during conversations or the choices actually turn out to be... well, not choices as is the case here).

So chalk one death up to a massive cop out and everybody's pretty much playing the same story now. It's kind of pointless to give a choice and then just erase all the answers later.

[StrawberryRainPop]

Same... Carleys death felt forced to me... and she was my fav character.... i DESPERATELY want them to patch her back in. It can be done....

[Razzak]

I didnt knew that when on Talking Dead Episode 5.When he asked a question from Patrick If there will a romance budding between Lee and Carley and he said theres hints etc.I srsly didnt Knew that they would kill her :(

[Galdis]

A friend told me their friend was able to get Lilly to shoot Ben instead of Carley in the roadside confrontation... But we all know how reliable that sounds. Has anyone managed to do this by accusing Ben?

[PanStrife]

Carley's death was sort of shocking in how it was performed but I knew it was coming, because I just knew what the writers were going for.

I think TTG is going too far with this whole dark storyline thing. They're trying to make the game depressing and hard core to the max but I think this is trying too hard. There's not a single positive thing in the game anymore. That might do it for some but this just screams "We're trying to be edgy!" I dislike it, Death for characters was something you can't avoid no matter what you do as well which is just the final straw.

Minor character or not she was a favourite of mine and one of the few characters I enjoyed having around. Unlike one particular character in Ep.2 whom was only introduced to be killed in the same episode. Knew that one going in but damn that sucked for sure. I get it's a zombie game and it's meant to be bleak but you gotta be able to enjoy the game a bit too. I enjoyed and got immersed with the Carley and Lee relationship that was blossoming. Then I got brought down to reality by the fact that I'm playing a zombie game and the obvious thing to do was kill one of them.

The people saying we're basically all playing the same storyline now make good points, too.

[darham175]

I think the fact that we all feel so strongly about Carley dying is a testament to how well these games are written. Episode 2 left me shaken when I finished it but this was the first episode I actually had to stop playing midway through because of how hard it hit me. I'm kind of scared for the next episode because I'm not sure I could take it if something happened to Clem.

[Red Panda]

There's not a single positive thing in the game anymore.... I enjoyed and got immersed with the Carley and Lee relationship that was blossoming.

What about Clem?

I agree that happiness is hard to come by in the game anymore. There's not much to look forward to anymore beyond protecting Clem, for me.

[PanStrife]

What about Clem?

I agree that happiness is hard to come by in the game anymore. There's not much to look forward to anymore beyond protecting Clem, for me.

I think Clem is a given by this point. But I don't like the Clem and Lee relationship because I got sick of having to restart the damn thing each time. So we get these two new people that join the group and I have to listen to the same old "I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF HER" crap again from the woman.

It's like god, you just met me and you're making assumptions and things. If we're alive I'm doing something right. I dunno I guess all these people constantly judging Lee having Clem got old fast.

[Red Panda]

I think Clem is a given by this point. But I don't like the Clem and Lee relationship because I got sick of having to restart the damn thing each time.

So b/c of this it's not a positive thing?

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "having to restart the damn thing each time." Are you talking about restarting the conversation on taking care of Clem?

[PanStrife]

I mean having to prove I'm good at taking care of Clementine to people that are newly introduced. When I say it's a given I mean it's a given that it is a positive thing in the game.

[Milosuperspesh]

Forgetting the senselessness of her death, I just hope that someone took Carley aside in the three months between episodes and taught her about batteries. I would feel worse knowing she died without the basic knowledge of polarity.

ep3 lee talks to carley on the first floor of the motel and about the 'torch'

I didnt knew that when on Talking Dead Episode 5.When he asked a question from Patrick If there will a romance budding between Lee and Carley and he said theres hints etc.I srsly didnt Knew that they would kill her :(

they where subtle about it not 'lasting'

I mean having to prove I'm good at taking care of Clementine to people that are newly introduced. When I say it's a given I mean it's a given that it is a positive thing in the game.

i dunno but in ep3 and ep4 i felt my lee's efforts on clem are being wasted, she was pulling away from lee towards the end like when she asks 'can i tell them?' i wasn't sure what she mean't by that till later on when the walkie started working, but earlier clem was talking to it i thought aww bless she's doing her thang, but now it's oh shit she's actually really talking..

[Drake Sigar]

As pissed off as I am about Carley's death, I would be way more pissed if they brought her back. It's done, now we have to live with it.

[KCohere]

Hey i am really annoyed about carley being shot when it happend i didnt even want to carry on playing anyway maybe they could bring carly back she could have just been grazed by the bullet.No one even checked to she if she was dead the group could meet up with her again.I wont be buying anymore episodes unless carly comes back my friends also said the same.

Please say in the comments that you want carly back and make a thread about this and then maybe telltale games will see that we want carly back.

I liked Carley but she's gone. We're going to lose people. I was shocked by her death and then losing Kat and Duck not much later but its something thats going to happen. You just got to move on. The only person I can bear to lose is Clem.

About it being too dark, I dont mind that at all. Its a really dark world these characters live in. The comic and the tv show are much the same. They did put little touches of humor in the episode to lighten things up. I laughed at the faces Clementine made when Lee was cutting her hair.

[Rambo297]

I liked Carley very much. When i saw her death, i tried several times again, to save her. It broken my heart, after conversation in motel... I wish she will be with rest now, U can take Ben, but leave her ^^ I think u liked her too... Very sad. I don't know that i can play ep 4 after that... She was one of my favorite character in game, like Clem.

[Greenpaw]

In the comic there really isn't much to be happy about either :P. Any happiness usually ends in T_T.

[Abel]

This scene man, I hate it and want her back. :(
So cool there actually was romance and then that, don't know what to say... its cool to care about the characters, its kind of a compliment, but her death depresses me nah

[Faramis]

She was not just grazed by the bullet. The bullet entered her skull through her forehead and left her skull at the back. There is simply no way for Carley to walk something like this off. Point blank penetration of skull is fatal, since brain is mostly liquid-like matter, that is keeping its volume through thin membrane and being enclosed in skull. If the bullet lodges itself in the brain without making exit hole, then there is slight chance of survival with high chance of living like vegetable for rest of the life, but again, point blank penetration of skull is fatal. So yeah, without any further ado - Carley brain was blown out and spilt on the ground. She is dead, time to move on.

[kingmartykim]

She was not just grazed by the bullet. The bullet entered her skull through her forehead and left her skull at the back. There is simply no way for Carley to walk something like this off. Point blank penetration of skull is fatal, since brain is mostly liquid-like matter, that is keeping its volume through thick membrane and being enclosed in skull. If the bullet lodges itself in the brain, then there is slight chance of survival, but again, point blank penetration of skull is fatal. So yeah, without any further ado - Carley brain was blown out and spilt on the ground. She is dead, time to move on.

It would be lovely to see her with an eyepatch or headband covering half her face coming to the rescue! Lee is saved once again by Carley

[dubesor]

Let's be honest for a second.

It was very obvious since episode 1 that both Carley and Doug (no matter your choice) would die pretty soon.

It is a money issue. If they let them live they had to make story/cutscenes/voice etc. for both and branch them out. Just letting them die is a cheap,easy solution.

It is lame I know, but they don't want to bother with making content that get's only viewed by 50% of the players (if even that).

On the one hand, I can understand. On the other hand, it is lame. Because again, choices don't seem to matter AT ALL.

Whether you choose carley or doug in EP1 makes absolutely zero (ZERO... NONE! NADA NIENTE) difference. Both have the exact same role, do the exact same things, the story continues the exact same way.

It didn't matter who you choose. It is kind of lame... tbh.
Of course we all wished for our choices to matter but in this game it just isn't the case.

Telltale don't wanna invest any money in making branches of story. So they simply kill the characters that your choices influenced. Lame? Yes. But they wanna save money...

I have no problem with it whatsoever, if only they didn't advertise and claim that your choices actually mattered, because after 3 episodes (60% of the game) with several different savegames and complete different choices I can't tell a difference between any of the savegames.

[ZombieGoBoom]

I hated Carley's death. There was nothing emotional or brilliant about that scene, just a cruel punch to the gut if you cared about her. You don't even have time to grieve, just exchange a few lines with Clem and Kat and she's nearly forgotten. It dampened my love for this game any excitement for episode 4. Carley's gone and she can't be brought back except maybe in a dream or flashback. I would like to think the pistol that Lee's uses towards the end is Carley's.

[kingmartykim]

I hate Carley's death. There was nothing emotional or brilliant about that scene, just a cruel punch to the gut if you cared about her. You don't even have time to grieve, just exchange a few lines with Clem and Kat and she's nearly forgotten. It dampened my love for this game any excitement for episode 4. Carley's gone and she can't be brought back except maybe in a dream or flashback. I would like to think the pistol that Lee's uses towards the end is Carley's.

That is Carley's gun...isn't it????? or is it Lily's???

[ZombieGoBoom]

That is Carley's gun...isn't it????? or is it Lily's???

I will vomit if Lee is using the weapon that killed Carley. The pistol he is currently carrying is Carley's and that will be my version of things.

[adam5555]

That is Carley's gun...isn't it????? or is it Lily's???

i say carley's. you know they should have just killed off doug. (sorry doug fans, are there doug fans?) but that way we could still have carly the storys could differ and they would not have to have 2 voice actors. best of both worlds

[SaveCarley]

Oh come on!!!

[kingmartykim]

i say carley's. you know they should have just killed off doug. (sorry doug fans, are there doug fans?) but that way we could still have carly the storys could differ and they would not have to have 2 voice actors. best of both worlds

Right...but if its Carley's...then what about for the Doug version? He has to be carrying Lily's....especially when he tells Lily to drop the gun and we see the gun being dropped...but we never see Lee picking it up from Carley's dead body :(

[adam5555]

Right...but if its Carley's...then what about for the Doug version? He has to be carrying Lily's....especially when he tells Lily to drop the gun and we see the gun being dropped...but we never see Lee picking it up from Carley's dead body :(

yeah but if you choose to take lily with you i think lee gives ben lilys gun. ben sure as hell better not get carleys gun, or he is going to die slow.

[Dildor]

I hated Carley's death. There was nothing emotional or brilliant about that scene, just a cruel punch to the gut if you cared about her. You don't even have time to grieve, just exchange a few lines with Clem and Kat and she's nearly forgotten.

It was emotional for me. It wasn't brilliant, it was cruel, and it happened fast. Nothing in this game so far has made me feel so shocked, angry, and close to Lee as Carly's death. I knew it was probably coming, but that didn't stop me from choking up in that RV. I probably would have ended up in complete tears if I didn't learn of some more pressing matters with Duck not too long after.

[Rock114]

Well, it's not like Lee controls everyone's actions 100% of the time or anything. Lilly is Lilly, Kenny is Kenny, and Kenny treats Lilly and everything else also effects her as much, or more than how you treat her. In my game I was wondering if it was my fault Carley died because I helped Kenny off Larry in the last episode. I really cared about Carley. I hate to see her go, and hate Lilly so much more. But hey, in reality we're not in control of anything or anyone but ourselves, so that's how I see the game. We only control Lee, and try to influence the people and things around us as much as we can. But the people with us are their own people, and the things that happen, happen. That's even what I said to Lilly about the supplies, "We'll deal with shit as it happens." That's kind of all that we can do now, right?

[iMuzzaa]

When I seen Lily taking out her gun, I knew what was about to happen and was like, "Nooo!"

*edit*

To all those who say the deaths weren't good enough... Welcome to the world of "The Walking Dead" where people die suddenly and there is no time for any goodbye's (For example at the end of the prison arc, for any comic readers). It's more realistic this way, and more true to The Walking Dead universe.

[ForgottenKnight]

When I seen Lily taking out her gun, I knew what was about to happen and was like, "Nooo!"

*edit*

To all those who say the deaths weren't good enough... Welcome to the world of "The Walking Dead" where people die suddenly and there is no time for any goodbye's (For example at the end of the prison arc, for any comic readers). It's more realistic this way, and more true to The Walking Dead universe.

Well, but that wasn't like the end of the prision arc, they could have put Carley body to the RV, drive a little bit and then have some time to say goodbye.

[Khazmo]

A friend told me their friend was able to get Lilly to shoot Ben instead of Carley in the roadside confrontation... But we all know how reliable that sounds. Has anyone managed to do this by accusing Ben?

You say that, but I have read a couple of other people making claims that the dev's said there is a method of keeping her alive. Maybe there is a way, but it does seem rather unlikely.

[dubesor]

I have played three times now and never managed to get Lilly to shoot Ben.

save1: Carley, supported Lilly with the search, Went neutral/passive on the accusations on Ben -> Carley get's shot
save2: Carley, supported Lilly all the way, accused Ben all the way, Carley get's shot
Save 3: Doug, did not support Lilly with the search, did not support her with accusations-> Doug dead.

I doubt it's possible for any of your actions to actually matter on the income, because that has been the case for the last 3 episodes.

[Khazmo]

There is an option where you can admit to being the culprit, what does Lilly do then?

[darham175]

She told me "you're capable of being a real asshole, but I don't believe you." Then shoots Caroug.

[Abel]

There is an option where you can admit to being the culprit, what does Lilly do then?
She doesn't believe it was Lee.

[Khazmo]

That sucks, they could at least have had her shooting Lee :p

[wrex08]

If TTG had such a money issue with developing 2 characters for 1 they could have introduced only 2 new faces this episode or something.
What sucks though, is that, aside Clem, we are left with the lamest members of the group now.

[Khazmo]

What sucks though, is that, aside Clem, we are left with the lamest members of the group now.

That was the part that ground on me the most really. This episode saw some amazing and shocking moments, but we lost the internal feud between Kenny and Lilly, we also lost Lilly as a character, Carley/Doug also perished seemingly randomly which also destroyed the nearest the game has come to a romance (one of the parts of the human experience that the game hasn't shown us), whilst also offing the irritating Duck and the underdevelopped Katjaa. Leaving us with Clem, Kenny who is pretty decent, and the very wet Ben... as well as a very stereotypical and ultimately dull hobo, and a couple of random characters who felt... well, to me, they felt like cannon fodder for the next episode.

The group dynamic has been lost, sadly.

[lurchibald]

It just goes to prove my theory that this game only offers the illusion of choice, it rail-roads you to a linear path, what you do in the game doesn't really effect anything in the subsequent episodes as, for instance, saving Doug or Carley in Ep1 doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as both will eventually be killed by Lilly... As others have said, it kills the replay value.

[Red Panda]

I loved the scene before Carley's death when she tells Lilly off.

You think you're some tough bitch, don't you? Like nothing can hurt you, but you're just a scared little girl. Get the fuck over it.

I fell in love with Carley then.

[Yahia99]

Same... Carleys death felt forced to me... and she was my fav character.... i DESPERATELY want them to patch her back in. It can be done....

I know right :( Maybe they can bring her back and say the bullet grazed the side of her head or something. ITS SO SAD :(

[sarahwinche]

Carley died. Lilly lived. I quit this game.

Lily had to live. She has to go to Woodbury and work for the Governor. End of story.

[GSH]

Yeah, pretty shit writing tbqh

[Cloudchaser]

Well it is Walking Dead right. Don't beloved characters die all the time in the comics, with no regards to anything? I mean, I really really liked Carley. She was a great support, a great character and everything. Her death was the first thing that really really freaked me out...but it was a great scene. And it has to be done. We have to be reminded that people we care for can die at any given moment.

So watch out for Clem.

[skepticalguy90]

Eh,even if they could bring Carley back, would you really want to watch her die again? Probably far more gruesome the second time.

[oraclekun]

the only problem I really have with this is that one of the selling points of this game is that you are nurtering relationships and making lasting decisions in the story. Yet there are so little people still remaining from episode 1 or 2 that I'm like: "What was the point of most of it?"

[Peace&Love]

the only problem I really have with this is that one of the selling points of this game is that you are nurtering relationships and making lasting decisions in the story. Yet there are so little people still remaining from episode 1 or 2 that I'm like: "What was the point of most of it?"


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120707142330/walkingdead/images/7/7c/ClementineVGface2.png

[Cloudchaser]

"What was the point of most of it?"

I think that is kinda the point. I mean they still gave you all the hints that "Carley will remember that..." 15 seconds before she is dead. You really do not know if there will be a consequence or someone dies before that. I think that is actually more interesting. In most games which feature stuff like that, you KNOW that it will bite you in the ass or will be helpful later on. Here? Everyone can die at any given moment or just leave the group or get seperated, whatever.

I mean there were probably many gamers out there that liked Lilly as well and would have forgiven Lilly that she got crazy, and given her a second chance. But it is not about what the player wants. Even if you want to go with her, she lefts you with the group. Good or bad Relations. Sometimes stuff like that does not matter.

[oraclekun]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120707142330/walkingdead/images/7/7c/ClementineVGface2.png
Well, yeah, but I already picked every option that benefitted her figuring I would be stuck with her for the entire game...
...alright I can't pretend it's just a game mechanic, I'm doing everything for her because I care for her as a character. (and if you ever dare to kill her TTG I would be very upset, so you are totally planning that aren't you?)

but I still stand by my comment that at this point all the decisions seem to be more about themselves then making an actual impact on the story (besides Clementine) I expected first episode things to come back and haunt me. I guess they have still have 2 episodes to prove otherwise, but if it turns out that 80% of the game was just the illusion of consequences it would diminish the value of this game.

edit: @Cloudchaser: Yeah, I get that is part of the charm and I'm not completely against that. I also get that killing her off made for some good drama which I appreciate, but I just don't want this game to turn into a "unless you were lucky enough to pick clem's and kenny's options all the time episode 5 will get a lot harder"

[Cyreen]

"What was the point of most of it?"

It's a zombie apocalypse, I think finding a reason to keep moving is sort of the moral of the story, particularly when everyone you care about is gone. Do you keep going or "punch your own ticket"?

I liked Carley, but she did kinda push Lilly who was unquestionably unstable. I don't care if Ben was guilty, you don't try to put down a 17-year-old boy for stealing (poor Doug).

[skepticalguy90]

It's a zombie apocalypse, I think finding a reason to keep moving is sort of the moral of the story, particularly when everyone you care about is gone. Do you keep going or "punch your own ticket"?

I liked Carley, but she did kinda push Lilly who was unquestionably unstable. I don't care if Ben was guilty, you don't try to put down a 17-year-old boy for stealing (poor Doug).

Arguing with someone doesn't give them permission to shoot you in the face.

[Cyreen]

Arguing with someone doesn't give them permission to shoot you in the face.

Well of course not, but arguing with an armed nutcase is practically an engraved invitation.

[ZombieGoBoom]

the only problem I really have with this is that one of the selling points of this game is that you are nurtering relationships and making lasting decisions in the story. Yet there are so little people still remaining from episode 1 or 2 that I'm like: "What was the point of most of it?"

I think this might be a problem for the future of this game. You invest time with a group of characters and slowly coming around to care and even desiring to have one to become a love interest. Then all you can do is watch them die and not be able to prevent it in a RPG game of all things.

I know some players are not as invested in the characters as others might be but I care too much and I happened to care for Carley.

[darham175]

Kirkman said when people play this game he wants them to be sad because TWD is about sadness. I think Telltale has accomplished that quite well.

[lurchibald]

Kirkman said when people play this game he wants them to be sad because TWD is about sadness. I think Telltale has accomplished that quite well.

Sad? No. Annoyed? Yes.

[Damione]

Unlike other fans, i didnt even care for the delay, well i really didnt care i like games, and i enjoy playing dont care for the rest, but there is something i dont get at all, one of the only possible reasons for the delay on episodes would be the ONLY change In-game we could make, carly or doug but they simpli eliminated that problem on the start of the episode so, why did they took so long with it?!
I remember earing on a video someone saying they would make in the end of the releases a CD game release for colectors but, do they realy think that giving the twints on the game anyone will want that?! if anyone purchases the rest of the episodes now is entirely for not ending up with an half played game.
Has for me, well has soon as i saw Carly die i paused the game, came to the internet and saw that no mather what we do she dies, i just got depressed and uninstaled the game, dont even care for ending it now. Gess that Telltale is olny another business company, numbers before anything else.

[Master of Aeons]

Unlike other fans, i didnt even care for the delay, well i really didnt care i like games, and i enjoy playing dont care for the rest, but there is something i dont get at all, one of the only possible reasons for the delay on episodes would be the ONLY change In-game we could make, carly or doug but they simpli eliminated that problem on the start of the episode so, why did they took so long with it?!
I remember earing on a video someone saying they would make in the end of the releases a CD game release for colectors but, do they realy think that giving the twints on the game anyone will want that?! if anyone purchases the rest of the episodes now is entirely for not ending up with an half played game.
Has for me, well has soon as i saw Carly die i paused the game, came to the internet and saw that no mather what we do she dies, i just got depressed and uninstaled the game, dont even care for ending it now. Gess that Telltale is olny another business company, numbers before anything else.

Telltale killed Carley ---> Telltale only cares about money.
The definition of non-sequitor means "does not follow". This definition's application to your post does however flow logically. What the hell are you talking about?

Bad decision, poor writing, cheap trick, clumsily handled or disservice to a beloved character are all descriptive options I can understand. Saying it proves they only care about money is just nonsense.

Uninstall it if the scene soured your experience. But don't bring that wacky line of reasoning around here. We got our hands full already.

[skepticalguy90]

Telltale killed Carley ---> Telltale only cares about money.
The definition of non-sequitor means "does not follow". This definition's application to your post does however flow logically. What the hell are you talking about?

Bad decision, poor writing, cheap trick, clumsily handled or disservice to a beloved character are all descriptive options I can understand. Saying it proves they only care about money is just nonsense.

Uninstall it if the scene soured your experience. But don't bring that wacky line of reasoning around here. We got our hands full already.

Eh making it cheaper and easier to write by cutting out having to continue the Doug/Carley differences. It makes sense, it's just a large leap.

[Cloudchaser]

Well...someone had to die. Actually killing the person YOU saved, and which later saves YOU at the Dairy farm is simply to drive home the fact that noone is save and you can not save anybody...you can only delay it.

Yes, in Metagaming sense I was certain that Doug/Carley are going to die either now, or early in Episode 4. But I thought they die...deserving. Well Doug saved Ben, so he kinda died heroic? But there are no Heroic Sacrifices. There is only death.

[skepticalguy90]

They killed Doug/Carley because it made everything easier in the subsequent episodes. Feels like a copout.

[Riffan]

Carley died. Lilly lived. I quit this game.

Clearly his Tread is filled with none fans of the walking dead or they'd have accepted this fact of the verse. Nothing is forbidden, everyone can die. And die like a chump or go with a bang to be remembered. Pitching a bitch fit about carly or doug taking it in the face is stupid because other things, worse things are down the lane. Hell, look at the comics. Rick lose's his hand, his wife and his maybe daugther then the hell that is turning into carl's life. Afterwards he leads a wife and child INTO a horde and watchs them get mauled. The world is over, zombies roam the land and the most dangerous person is the one sitting beside you on the RV. This episode should drive this home. Though i'll say this. Lily really hated carly, just by the fact it was a right up face shot, no debate. With doug she looked and him and turns to shoot dan, while doug grows a pair finally and moves to save him.

[Cloudchaser]

while doug grows a pair finally and moves to save him.

While he wants no part of the inner politics of the group...he did saved Carleys life before, he did save your life(most likely) with the laser pointer to Andy St. Johns eye and then he saved the life of Ben.

He might was no fighter and everything. But he in the end, he saved quite a lot people in a zombie outbreak.

[WowMutt]

Man I am so close to just giving up the game, because i liked the Carley character from the first second I met her in the first ep. It's like I cant put down the controller on this because I need to see what the ending is and it's an awesome game, but, on the other hand loosing Carley is a very very bad way to play out the game, as Carley is a very likable character and is very important to the story. All most as important as Clem.

On a side note I wish i had just saved Doug, then i wouldn't have been to upset about this...

And to me, this is the perfect post..

Applaudes TT for making a game where the players, the people, develop real feelings for these characters and are truely saddened at the loss of them.

I think it's great that all these people come here after playing the latest episode and need to vent over seriously disturbing scenes, wishing for a different outcome. That just shows the depth of the story and how well written it was to make us either love or hate a character.

How many have said in the past they hated Duck, annoying lil brat.. then at the end of this Episode are saddened at his fate.

Sure we can all think back and ponder what we may have changed or decide differently the next time we play it, but when ya sit down for the first time and go through the expirence, that's what it's all about!

[RoboSheriff]

Well there goes our romance/intellectual guy

[R.I.P-Bill]

I thought Carley's death was the most "Walking Dead" feeling moment of the game thus far. There are too many franchises where there's no honest tension because you know, no matter what happens, these same characters will survive to continue the adventure in the next installment (unless you're Sliding with Professor Arturo). No one is safe. You can fall in love with a character and they can be taken from you in a second, for no reason. No big, epic sacrifice. I'd rather see Carley taken out by a falling tree in a rainstorm than seeing her give some long speech about her love for Lee and then sacrificing herself to the walkers so that Lee and Clem can escape a burning building or some shit. Death happens in this world. No build up to signal it. No last moment of redemption. Just a pop in the face during a road side scuffle.

[KCohere]

People are really taking this hard. I know people loved Carley but nothing is keeping me from playing the last two episodes.

[YamiRaziel]

This episode was crazy!. Totally ***** me up. Really though choices, but I didn't expect any less.
I shot the poor girl at the beginning. It's stupid I know, but there is the difference for me. If I let her suffer then I wouldn't be any different than that fu**** Kenny. He brought this on us! All of it! He killed Larry without even hesitating and totally wrecked Lily. I like Lily, she's my favourite cause she's a survivor. However, she is a total mess now and I guess until she does what she does in the comic book she will be somewhere in middle between bad and really bad. Even after that she'll be a woman with lots of regrets. Still my favourite, I like that kind of characters. Plus I find her most attractive of all the females in the game so far.
Carley... I was really shocked and disappointed to see her die but despite being a good shot, she wasn't really doing anything. She should've stood by me and Lily and not try to be the balance. There can be no balance, so trying to maintain is just fear, the fear of taking responsibility and making choices. Because in episode 3 it's still Lily the one taking care of most things, Carley is pretty useless. In the end instead of sticking with us she started protecting that little brat Ben... I'm so ditching him along with Kenny.
And Kenny it's awful to say it but... he fucking deserved it, after all he did to me and the group in episode 2. So we saw he wasn't "He's gonna turn let's drop a salt-lick on this person's head, when his child was at stake. I used to despise Duck cause he was annoying brat as well and always putting us in danger. But him allowing me to be Batman while he was Robin... I FORGAVE HIM. How could I not?! He were Batman and Robin in a zombie apocalypse world. This was just too fu***** AWESOME. It was sad to see him die and seeing Katja holding him like that... I knew she was gonna lose it and die. I was 100% sure. Kenny is was a self-absorbed asshole and he still is. I would gladly off him and take the boat. I'm so happy that he got what he deserved... I guess he can understand now what it felt for Lily when he just offed her dad. Karma's a bitch.
The newcomers... not much to discuss here. Managed to save them both on the train and that Chuck seems a smart guy. Will see how this turns out but I'm not really in for that new girl.
The last thing I need to mention is that I was really, really disappointed with Clem talking to somebody the whole time, giving him information and not telling me. I mean it felt as if Miranda Tate stabbed me through my Bat armor. If she doesn't grow up fast I'm not gonna be so nice with her. She needs a lesson!
P.S Had Carley been more supportive of me and Lily, we three plus Clem could've run together! My Lee with 2 women and a kid. Wouldn't have been that bad!

Lily > Carley for me :D

[Strayth]

They wanted a "nobody's safe" feel.

But we all know they just didn't want to write two different stories for Doug and Carley since it meant more work, and they're already having schedule problem :/ ...

Totally unjustified. Especially when Ben survives.

[HeyMyNameIsRyan]

The worst part about Carley's death was the whole exchange in the beginning of the game. Like some dick at Telltale was like, "Hey, let's make a really nice scene in the beginning with Carley and Lee to make everyone like her even more, then we kill her."

Telltale is making the same mistake the show is by killing off all the good characters. I liked Doug but he died because apparently I couldn't just toss Carley her ammo and then grab him real quick, I liked Mark but he was eaten by crazy rednecks, I liked Carley but she gets shot by that dumb bitch Lily, and just to add insult to injury the last character I kinda had a soft spot for (other than Clem) was Kat. And she goes and offs herself. Now I'm stuck with Ben, who I will murder the first chance I get, Kenny, who's now depressed as fuck, some hobo, some new guy who broke his leg falling off a train and Christa, who is more of a bitch than Lily.

[Strayth]

No seriously, I think you should be able to prevent this kind of death with your choices...

It doesn't help to know that they killed her off just so they would have less work to do for the writing :/ ...

[KCohere]

No seriously, I think you should be able to prevent this kind of death with your choices...

It doesn't help to know that they killed her off just so they would have less work to do for the writing :/ ...

How is that so? We've got new characters so isnt it the same amount of work?

[Rock114]

Them's the breaks folks, people are going to die in terrible, horrible ways for no good reason in the ZA, and TWD is trying to emulate that. You can't trust anyone really, not even the people in your group. I sure as hell didn't see Carley going out like that, but it was entirely possible. Lilly seems to have always hated Carley, if you pay attention in Episode 1 at the drug store. Look at it this way, Carley died quickly and painlessly. That is pretty much the best we can hope for. She won't become a walker now. She won't be disemboweled by a rotting corpse. In short, Carley/Doug has been the luckiest person so far in the game.

As for our choices, well, I think those are more for us to judge ourselves on. Like with that girl in the first chapter, how many of us shot her to put her out of her misery? More people than that left her to be eaten. Are we stone cold survivalists who only care about seeing another day, or do we try to hold on to what's left of our humanity even if it ends up doing us in? And exactly how much can we go through before we break?

[Metiphis]

It's good people are mad about dear characters to them being killed. That's what I love about this game. It gives you choices, like you would have in life, but also mimics how life doesn't give a crap about you and your feelings and fate plays out how it plays. I think Telltale has struck just the right balance of control the player has over their destiny. One of my best friends in High School got into a car accident and died, I didn't like it. Life doesn't care sometimes.

Keep it up Telltale, negative emotional responses at key events mean this game is doing it the right way, and making a memorable experience rather than a hollow one, like the bulk of on rails story games out there. You do what you can with what you have.

[skepticalguy90]

How is that so? We've got new characters so isnt it the same amount of work?

Except that Doug and Carley can't coexist, so you'd have different scenarios to deal with for each character.

[Viceiceman]

I was pretty pissed about this decision as well...What's the point of saving them in the begin and then they die off? Such a BS decision...

[Strayth]

How is that so? We've got new characters so isnt it the same amount of work?

Because now our choices are incidental. Everybody is starting episode 4 the same way, which is :

Kenny is alone, Ben is an ass, Clem hid things, Lilly left, two new people are here, and the homeless guy.

That's it. So much for having our choices changing anything, right ? Interaction with Doug and Carley ? Possible romance ? Fuck that, they wanted to save some time on the writing, and decided to scrap choices that matter.

[StreetsAhead24]

This episode was crazy!. Totally ***** me up. Really though choices, but I didn't expect any less.
I shot the poor girl at the beginning. It's stupid I know, but there is the difference for me. If I let her suffer then I wouldn't be any different than that fu**** Kenny. He brought this on us! All of it! He killed Larry without even hesitating and totally wrecked Lily. I like Lily, she's my favourite cause she's a survivor. However, she is a total mess now and I guess until she does what she does in the comic book she will be somewhere in middle between bad and really bad. Even after that she'll be a woman with lots of regrets. Still my favourite, I like that kind of characters. Plus I find her most attractive of all the females in the game so far.
Carley... I was really shocked and disappointed to see her die but despite being a good shot, she wasn't really doing anything. She should've stood by me and Lily and not try to be the balance. There can be no balance, so trying to maintain is just fear, the fear of taking responsibility and making choices. Because in episode 3 it's still Lily the one taking care of most things, Carley is pretty useless. In the end instead of sticking with us she started protecting that little brat Ben... I'm so ditching him along with Kenny.
And Kenny it's awful to say it but... he fucking deserved it, after all he did to me and the group in episode 2. So we saw he wasn't "He's gonna turn let's drop a salt-lick on this person's head, when his child was at stake. I used to despise Duck cause he was annoying brat as well and always putting us in danger. But him allowing me to be Batman while he was Robin... I FORGAVE HIM. How could I not?! He were Batman and Robin in a zombie apocalypse world. This was just too fu***** AWESOME. It was sad to see him die and seeing Katja holding him like that... I knew she was gonna lose it and die. I was 100% sure. Kenny is was a self-absorbed asshole and he still is. I would gladly off him and take the boat. I'm so happy that he got what he deserved... I guess he can understand now what it felt for Lily when he just offed her dad. Karma's a bitch.
The newcomers... not much to discuss here. Managed to save them both on the train and that Chuck seems a smart guy. Will see how this turns out but I'm not really in for that new girl.
The last thing I need to mention is that I was really, really disappointed with Clem talking to somebody the whole time, giving him information and not telling me. I mean it felt as if Miranda Tate stabbed me through my Bat armor. If she doesn't grow up fast I'm not gonna be so nice with her. She needs a lesson!
P.S Had Carley been more supportive of me and Lily, we three plus Clem could've run together! My Lee with 2 women and a kid. Wouldn't have been that bad!

Lily > Carley for me :D

I'm sorry you feel that way but no person deserves to lose their child. It's is absolutely the worst thing that could happen to someone.

Also I'm surprised you like Lily more. Carley has been pretty much the most stabilizing element of the group and was the only one Lee could really confide in. I did respect Lily at one point, but after what she did I just could not look at her the same way.

Well I liked Carley the most along with Lee and Clem and so it's a bit depressing. But that's the purpose of this game and I'll tip my hat to TTG for that.

The point of this game is to feel sadness and despair and so I can't help but question the sanity and logic of myself and other people who play this game :confused:

[Instant Karma]

The only problem is everyone is assuming nothing in the first 2 episodes is going to matter in Episode 4 or 5. I'm sure TellTale can find some way to make them relevant.

[skepticalguy90]

The only problem is everyone is assuming nothing in the first 2 episodes is going to matter in Episode 4 or 5. I'm sure TellTale can find some way to make them relevant.

I'm sure that was said for episode 3 as well. I'm not holding my breath.

[YamiRaziel]

I'm sorry you feel that way but no person deserves to lose their child. It's is absolutely the worst thing that could happen to someone.

Also I'm surprised you like Lily more. Carley has been pretty much the most stabilizing element of the group and was the only one Lee could really confide in. I did respect Lily at one point, but after what she did I just could not look at her the same way.

Well I liked Carley the most along with Lee and Clem and so it's a bit depressing. But that's the purpose of this game and I'll tip my hat to TTG for that.

The point of this game is to feel sadness and despair and so I can't help but question the sanity and logic of myself and other people who play this game :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I felt really bad for Katjaa and Duck. I even offered to finish him myself to spare them the pain.
Kenny, had to learn the truth the hard way. You can't take other's lives so easily and then chicken out when it happens to you. It's not fair.
I really feel the Lily is misunderstood as a whole. It's easy to like Carley, cause she is the likeable girl who never crosses anyone. It's hard to be the one to make the decisions and take the blame for every bad thing that happens.

If I were a survivor I would take a mentally healthy Lily over cutie useless Carley any day. Maybe I just like strong characters, I don't know.
Lily's downfall is a combination of everybody's faults not her own demeanor. They made her that way. No one stepped to lift the burden she was carrying, nobody even comforted her about her father's death that was again somebody else's faulth (Kenny). Her mental downfall are motivated by their mistakes and inability to act.

[skepticalguy90]

Don't get me wrong, I felt really bad for Katjaa and Duck. I even offered to finish him myself to spare them the pain.
Kenny, had to learn the truth the hard way. You can't take other's lives so easily and then chicken out when it happens to you. It's not fair.
I really feel the Lily is misunderstood as a whole. It's easy to like Carley, cause she is the likeable girl who never crosses anyone. It's hard to be the one to make the decisions and take the blame for every bad thing that happens.

If I were a survivor I would take a mentally healthy Lily over cutie useless Carley any day. Maybe I just like strong characters, I don't know.
Lily's downfall is a combination of everybody's faults not her own demeanor. They made her that way. No one stepped to lift the burden she was carrying, nobody even comforted her about her father's death that was again somebody else's faulth (Kenny). Her mental downfall are motivated by their mistakes and inability to act.

It's one thing to be mentally devastated after the death of your father, it's another to use that as an excuse to go around shooting people.

[HNKenshiro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFxfglZsn7E

Carley's scene.

I've been on a video making mood haha. Too bad the forum has no embedding.

[ItsMeArmani]

It's one thing to be mentally devastated after the death of your father, it's another to use that as an excuse to go around shooting people.

She didn't use that as an excuse, she just flew off the handle and murdered Carley.

Horrible and unfair? Yes..but.....

Life isn't fair, and sometimes good people get killed. Life goes on. Got to protect those still alive.

[Xarne]

People are really taking this hard. I know people loved Carley but nothing is keeping me from playing the last two episodes.

seriously dude, but it makes for great reading doesnt it?

[Garland7G]

The worst part about Carley's death was the whole exchange in the beginning of the game. Like some dick at Telltale was like, "Hey, let's make a really nice scene in the beginning with Carley and Lee to make everyone like her even more, then we kill her."

Telltale is making the same mistake the show is by killing off all the good characters.

I can tell you don't read the comic. I don't blame this on TT at all. When someone is about to die in the comic, They usually have sex with someone beforehand lol. Also 'no one is safe' is a strong theme in the book.
I know this isn't the comic but they are trying to stick with the same themes.

[Damione]

Telltale killed Carley ---> Telltale only cares about money.
The definition of non-sequitor means "does not follow". This definition's application to your post does however flow logically. What the hell are you talking about?

Bad decision, poor writing, cheap trick, clumsily handled or disservice to a beloved character are all descriptive options I can understand. Saying it proves they only care about money is just nonsense.

Uninstall it if the scene soured your experience. But don't bring that wacky line of reasoning around here. We got our hands full already.

I'm really sorry if i'm not fluent in English, simply came to express my frustration due to a lack of commitment from Telltale, since they say our choices influence the game and from episode 1 to 3 the only thing i can associate to that was carley/doug and they simply got rid of it. Where does our choices mather if do what we do, she likes us or not, when we say "kill Ben" or, "it was me", she just ignores everything and goes for carly nonetheless.

And sorry if you dont read everything to the end and try at least a bit to understand, there could be many reasons for them to kill carley/doug but what if you do a 1+1=2 thinking, they are behind schedule with the episodes the only thing they could do to cut time was kill them both so now they only have to straightforward.

And for you to now, that was only my final reasoning, Telltale is another business company only caring for numbers, i didnt say they killed carley/doug because they need money did i!?

If this forum isnt meant for us to comment our "Soured experiences", what is this forum for? "But don't bring that wacky line of reasoning around here. We got our hands full already. " If this is how you adress people in here then what are you doing here? I'm not the ONLY 1 saying the same, just for you to know, you could read more, in 6 pages of people saying almost all the same you look like you didnt even read every page, you apeard random selected 1 and comented, is that what your here for?!

Next time i know where not to come.

[Cloudchaser]

If Telltale would kill of characters and the group would have survived for a long time, there would be outrage by the Comic Book/TV Series fans rather quick. This is just not the universe where characters live a long life and even characters who outlived most and are well liked can be killed any given page.

So of course it had to done. Now your in a group of people, of whom you can only really trust a small girl and broken man, who may or may not be your friend. Ben is only part of the group for...a short time and made deals behind your back. You have no idea what the deal with Chuck, Christa and Omid is. This dealing with new situations is something I truly love.

It really is not about your choices, but it is more realistic that way. You can not save everyone through certain dialoge choices or a Quick Time Event. Sometimes...stuff like that happens. And it will continue to happen.

[Marleysativa]

I'm really sorry if i'm not fluent in English, simply came to express my frustration due to a lack of commitment from Telltale, since they say our choices influence the game and from episode 1 to 3 the only thing i can associate to that was carley/doug and they simply got rid of it. Where does our choices mather if do what we do, she likes us or not, when we say "kill Ben" or, "it was me", she just ignores everything and goes for carly nonetheless.

And sorry if you dont read everything to the end and try at least a bit to understand, there could be many reasons for them to kill carley/doug but what if you do a 1+1=2 thinking, they are behind schedule with the episodes the only thing they could do to cut time was kill them both so now they only have to straightforward.

And for you to now, that was only my final reasoning, Telltale is another business company only caring for numbers, i didnt say they killed carley/doug because they need money did i!?

If this forum isnt meant for us to comment our "Soured experiences", what is this forum for? "But don't bring that wacky line of reasoning around here. We got our hands full already. " If this is how you adress people in here then what are you doing here? I'm not the ONLY 1 saying the same, just for you to know, you could read more, in 6 pages of people saying almost all the same you look like you didnt even read every page, you apeard random selected 1 and comented, is that what your here for?!

Next time i know where not to come.

Welcome to the Walking Dead. Likable characters are often killed and it pisses off fans, but they understand that it makes a great story. Before throwing out insane hypotheticals about saving money because they killed a character you like, I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the source material. They murdered one of the all time fan favorites in the series (comics) and have killed off many others.

You grasp of English is better than some of the native English speakers I've met on the internet, don't apologize for that.

[TellTaleFixYourShit]

Welcome to the Walking Dead. Likable characters are often killed and it pisses off fans, but they understand that it makes a great story. Before throwing out insane hypotheticals about saving money because they killed a character you like, I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the source material. They murdered one of the all time fan favorites in the series (comics) and have killed off many others.

You grasp of English is better than some of the native English speakers I've met on the internet, don't apologize for that.

But you ignore his first paragraph which I feel brings up some good points. I don't need Carley to be saveable for the sake of saving her, but rather I'd like to have been able to have some kind of impact on events through my conversation choices (i.e. blaming Ben, taking the blame, etc). Instead it seems that while interesting, what you say makes no difference. I would be fine with Carley dying some other way later (well, "fine" probably isn't the right word, but I would understand), but again, having no impact on the storyline at this crucial moment seems like a missed opportunity. By no impact I don't mean necessarily changing whether or not someone dies (I realize sometimes having no control is a powerful element), but what I mean is I'd like characters to react more differently based on what you say. Instead Carley dies at the exact same moment in the conversation no matter what...

[dubesor]

btw does Carley always kiss Lee when you agree on telling the others?
At first I thought she only did it because I answered "I think about you too".
But then I tried again with the most repellent answer "I'm fine" but she still kissed Lee.

[Marleysativa]

But you ignore his first paragraph which I feel brings up some good points. I don't need Carley to be saveable for the sake of saving her, but rather I'd like to have been able to have some kind of impact on events through my conversation choices (i.e. blaming Ben, taking the blame, etc). Instead it seems that while interesting, what you say makes no difference. I would be fine with Carley dying some other way later (well, "fine" probably isn't the right word, but I would understand), but again, having no impact on the storyline at this crucial moment seems like a missed opportunity. By no impact I don't mean necessarily changing whether or not someone dies (I realize sometimes having no control is a powerful element), but what I mean is I'd like characters to react more differently based on what you say. Instead Carley dies at the exact same moment in the conversation no matter what...

I didn't really need to address it. You can't always expect to have an effect on other people's decisions. Honestly, you said it best yourself (the statement that's bolded).

You say you're fine with her dying any other way but it's so important that it's not then. I say it's the writers doing an awesome job of making you become emotionally invested in a fictional character and then making you feel helpless when you can't affect her fate. That's pretty powerful.

You should also familiarize yourself with the source material. There's a reason the mantra "No one is safe" is repeated so often.

[Raidenorius]

Let's look closer at Carley's/Doug's death. Earlier or later It had to happen. I will write about Carley cause I helped her.

TT could delete her in few ways.

Fist they could make Lee to believe that even his normal life was over (He was going to the prison) maybe now he will be able to life normally because of Clem and Carley. And We could fell this way in the start of 3rd episode.

They could build bigger relationship between Lee and Carley, between Carley and Clem in 3rd/4th episode. Than even not kill Carley and finish it with happy end?! Wait it is The Walking dead, not telenovela.

Ok. They could kill Carley in some dramatic ways in the end of 4th episode. For perhaps she would had been surrounded by zombies, we would done everything to help her, looked into her eyes for last time, and then she would died. Real dramatic and often found, but a little in TWD's way, because everything would be taken from Lee.

Carley could be killed by zombies somewhere in the 3rd/4th episode (non dramatic, because anyone can die), but I think she was too smart.

She could be bitten and then dying slowly in ours arms. (similar to Duck)

Car accident, etc.

But TT decided to delete her in the best way. Very emotional, fast, unexpected, showing us that anyone can die (even person liked by the public and that significantly advances the story forward). I was angry. I would like to kill Lilly, to picked up weapon from her and unload all bullets in her head. I would like to talk with writer and back in time. Now I think it was that- The wham moment. One of the best moments in video games history. Hate it or love it.

[Abel]

[...] Hate it or love it.
I think its both for the most here. We hate it to lose Carley and are sad about it. In another way I also love it cause this scene was shocking and really made me feel angry at Lilly. I always was the good guy, who gives a second chance, but after that scene... no way Lilly would get in that RV again. Well, that the game manages to change me in this way and to have those feelings - I love it
...and hate it for Carleys sake. :(

[RyoStiegler]

First of all, I have to say that I'm quite impressed by the quality of some reflexions written here (I'm french and I can tell you that in ''our'' forums, it's a huge mess, people are just incapable of drawing such reflexions). Glad to be joining this Forum :) Hope you'll forgive many of my mistakes in english.

Hate it or love it.

Yep, you do.
I found this episode 3 so powerful. Of course, many of you are right when then say that the real reasons for killing Doug/Carley are technical. Of course, building a video game that could go two, three, ten different ways has to be really difficult. Nevertheless, as many of you also said it, this scene is the most powerful of the whole game (so far...). I was myself devastated, and more than I like to acknowledge, by this scene. It's soooooo ''Walking Deadish'' to do so. Killing three characters in a row. Carley/Doug, Lily, and yourself. Killing the character you built, making him (making YOU) change. Thinking what could you have done different. Thinking that wishing for good isn't enough. That was f*cking brillant (pardon my french).

And actually, I haven't read many reactions to the 2nd episode, but I believe that the 3rd one forced people to face what the game is all about. 'cause in the 2nd episode, I was trying, since the beginning, to be the good guy, to help people, to protect them, etc. And I snapped when I was locked in the Meat Locker. And when I killed both of Saint Johns Brothers. I dunno if many people felt like that, but I really changed, without wanting it, what my character was about. It wasn't about being good, or thinkin' about the future of the game anymore. It was about rage, about vengeance, about sayin ''I have the opportunity to murder them, and I'll take it''. So frightenin, and so good about the TWD's spirit. And I believe that people who didn't experienced this very change in the 2nd episode HAD to face it in the 3rd, in this particular moment. So, anyway, people can be mad about it, can say that it's a bad choice of the developers, or even that they may did it to make the rest of the game easier to develop. Doesn't really matter. What matters is that we had to face such a moment, as if it was really crappy, really unfair, really bad.

And if we felt that way, the developers won, because that's what such a game is about. And I have to say that, even so I'm not playing to many video games, I do not believe that this particular feeling of ''unfairness'' can happen in many of them.

Hate it or love it. That so true. It was the epic moment of this episode, the best one, and the worst. Just amazing.

Cheers from France :)

[Murasaki]

Speaking as a Carley fan, I feel the only way to help alleviate the pain of her death is if all the (game exclusive) characters die at some point. At least then you can take comfort knowing everyone will share the same fate rather than feeling cheated out by the end if select people survived.

As a lot of you have mentioned, Carley's death is truly painful to watch. I don't know what pains me more though... The fact she was coldly shot in the face, or the potential loss of so much character development as she fell.

[Rhod747]

Is it just me, but I swear I saw a few 'Carley will remember that' type notifications in the top left (it could have been Ben though, or even both), so why would it say that if there is no possible way to save her?

I'm really annoyed because of this. I bought the game thinking I'd be able to make decisions that matter, instead I get to choose who gets an apple or banana. We should have had the choices and dialogue there to save Carley, one way or another.

And to those saying life is hard in a zombie apocalypse; shut up, it's a game. We play games for fun and not to be annoyed and lied to by SEEMINGLY money greedy developers.

And I've pretty much given up on this game for now. I got up to the point where you find that notepad with instructions on how to start the train, but felt no reason to go on with the terrible characters being introduced and the ones that we still have.

There's no reason that Carley can't be brought back some way. I'm not saying the devs bring her back as she survived a gunshot to the face by some miracle, I'm saying they simply add the dialogue and choices now before continuing with episode 4 (They can't really say no to it for any reason other than 'time constraints' or 'money problems', which they likely will) and include her in episode 4 and the rest. It doesn't have to be easy, but you know..

Same goes for Doug.

[RyoStiegler]

I'm really annoyed because of this. I bought the game thinking I'd be able to make decisions that matter, instead I get to choose who gets an apple or banana. We should have had the choices and dialogue there to save Carley, one way or another.

Is it just me, but I swear I saw a few 'Carley will remember that' type notifications in the top left (it could have been Ben though, or even both), so why would it say that if there is no possible way to save her?

And to those saying life is hard in a zombie apocalypse; shut up, it's a game. We play games for fun and not to be annoyed and lied to by SEEMINGLY money greedy developers.

For the ''choice'' dimension, you may be right to say that our decisions didn't really influenced this episode. Nevertheless, you did have the choice to be nice or not with her before she died, to listen to her or not. And you did change something by saving her in the first episode.

For the notifications, you're right ! And this is what is brillant ! The developers chose to keep using it, even though then knew that fifteen seconds later, no matter what, she was going to be murdered coldly. It's just ''realistic''. Before her death, choices mattered, no matter what, and it's making her death even more unexpected (and tragic, in a way). And no, there is no way to save her, it's the whole point of the episode (without Carley's death, no throwing Lily away, no Ben's guilt, no feeling of being completely lost and abandoned).

Finally, if you play TWD ''just for fun'', well, stop playing it. Because it's gonna get worst, and it's the way it has to be. Like many people said before, ''study the source''. TWD isn't about heroic gestures or romantic stories, it's a harsh, annoying, disturbing, violent, and deeply ''unromantic'' (in every sense) story. You cannot wish it to be what the game it's not. And one more time, about the ''greedy developers'', maybe it's true that the technical issues mattered in the scenario's choice. But it wasn't the only reason anyway. And you just pointed out one of the main reasons they did it: to piss us off, to make the game a harsh experience, and not a nice little walk in zombieland. To make it tragic. To have reactions such as yours.

As said before, you can love it or hate it. But you can't truly believe it to be lame 'cause you were obviously affected by it. And once again, that's the whole point of the game.

[furydeath]

I just like how right before she get's shot the game is like "Carley will remember that"

[Murasaki]

The only possible way I could envisage seeing Carley again is if Lee has another dream. Perhaps the choices made would influence the dream.

Too bad Carley's death wasn't a dream though.

[malcom155]

i agree with your post ryostiegler, almost...

the problem with the scene, and i think with the rest of the game are choices. What we do don't change anything, no matter what, it's the same result. In fact, no matter what your do in the first and second chapter, the whole third is always the same. The same characters died, always at the same moment without ANY variations... I thinked that my choices can tailor the story, (the story ! not a single event ! ) it was a PR argument for selling the game no ? (A new exemple of the "mass effect syndrome" ? ^^).

But i think the scenarists have good twists in preparation, why ? Because TWD is the most succeful game of telltale, they don't want to throw their potential reputation (and following seasons of the game) in the bin. With the Mass Effect blacklash, telltale have a good hand (in poker term ^^, yes, TWD is an example in their forum numerous time: our choices matters in this game, at last until chapter 3 and yes i WAS a ME fan).

:spoil-o:I remember in the comic the moment when Carl take a bullet in the head, a huge portion of the face was taken off... the hole in the head was reallllly big. But he's alive... Why ? Because you can push your fans, but this have a limit. Glenn died recently and he was the favorite character in the comic, yes but his death had a sense in the story: Rick make a BIG mistake.:spoil-o:

What's mine with Carley' death ?

[Awesoke]

i agree with your post ryostiegler, almost...

the problem with the scene, and i think with the rest of the game are choices. What we do don't change anything, no matter what, it's the same result. In fact, no matter what your do in the first and second chapter, the whole third is always the same. The same characters died, always at the same moment without ANY variations... I thinked that my choices can tailor the story, (the story ! not a single event ! ) it was a PR argument for selling the game no ? (A new exemple of the "mass effect syndrome" ? ^^).

But i think the scenarists have good twists in preparation, why ? Because TWD is the most succeful game of telltale, they don't want to throw their potential reputation (and following seasons of the game) in the bin. With the Mass Effect blacklash, telltale have a good hand (in poker term ^^, yes, TWD is an example in their forum numerous time: our choices matters in this game, at last until chapter 3 and yes i WAS a ME fan).

I remember in the comic the moment when Carl take a bullet in the head, a huge portion of the face was taken off... the hole in the head was reallllly big. But he's alive... Why ? Because you can push your fans, but this have a limit. Glenn died recently and he was the favorite character in the comic, yes but his death had a sense in the story: Rick make a BIG mistake.

What's mine with Carley' death ?

If you're going to say something about the comic, be considerate and put a spoiler tag where it should be. Not everyone has read up to the current issue.

[Strayth]

People would no be that angry if there were other characters we could actually fucking save around.

They asked us to make a moral choice to save one or the other (which was the ONLY choice that ever mattered in this game), to write the character off so early ?

With NOT A SINGLE long lasting choice that could have any importance now that episode 3 is done ? REALLY ?

Of course Carley had to die, but it would have been nice to have an option where you can save her. If not, at least let her die at the end, not in the middle when you do this to save time in the writing departement.

We all know they did it so they didn't have to keep track on the "two stories" differences :/ ... Ok the way they did it can be considered clever by some, but the bitterness that comes with their lazyness just doesn't make it seem so clever to me.

[kingmartykim]

I played Heavy Rain and in that game your choice does influence EVERYTHING..even death on the character you're playing with. I thought it was going to have the same effect in TWD....i was wrong.........................

[Awesoke]

We all know they did it so they didn't have to keep track on the "two stories" differences :/

I'm curious, you know this how?

[MisterMisfit]

Big mistake to kill off Carley. I know Lily had to be out of the story because of the stupid comic canon but TT should have came up with something different.

[RyoStiegler]

People would no be that angry if there were other characters we could actually fucking save around.

They asked us to make a moral choice to save one or the other (which was the ONLY choice that ever mattered in this game), to write the character off so early ?

With NOT A SINGLE long lasting choice that could have any importance now that episode 3 is done ? REALLY ?

Of course Carley had to die, but it would have been nice to have an option where you can save her. If not, at least let her die at the end, not in the middle when you do this to save time in the writing departement.

We all know they did it so they didn't have to keep track on the "two stories" differences :/ ... Ok the way they did it can be considered clever by some, but the bitterness that comes with their lazyness just doesn't make it seem so clever to me.

I'm sorry but define ''matters''. Because you can't actually say that the only thing that matters is wether somebody lives or die. That's the whole point of the game: the moral choices you make don't really change anything (trying to save Hershel's son or not ; giving a gun to a suicidal girl or not ; cutting the leg of the poor bastard in the woods or not ; killing the woman chased by walkers or not...). Of course, the choices you make don't deeply change the story. What did you expect in 60 days ? A new Skyrim ? You can be pissed of by the ''the game is tailored by how you play'', if you think that based on your playing, the game is going to go to opposite directions, which it doesn't, and never will. But what differs is how you acted to get to where you are. What you had to do, who you trusted, and who you betrayed. Sure, it'd be far more fun if I could say that we all did complete different stuff and lived complete different stories. Sure, it'd be fun if it wasn't that ''linear''. How could I disagree with that ? Having more living or dying choices ; getting to sculpt the story as you like, etc, you're right !

Nonetheless, even so (we're kinda of all in the same position at the beginning of ep. 4), if you think about it, I believe that we did made choices that mattered: killing people in front of Clem, betraying the faith that Kenny had in you by siding with Larry against Duck ; helping kenny to kill Lily's dad ; beating the crap out of Kenny to get him to stop the train. And that's just naming a few of them.

It may not lead you to something different in terms of the story, cause it has to follow some guidelines, but the experience wasn't the same (obviously, this reflexion is kinda killin the ''replaying aspect'' of the game... but... well, what are you gonna do...).

[darham175]

I was really hoping Clem had a new mommy. :(

[Funatick]

I am really scared of ep4 and 5 because I will find out what I wasted money on:mad: I dont get why they claiming so hardly your choices affect the game. Replay value is zero til ep3:confused:

[Funatick]

I'm sorry but define ''matters''. Because you can't actually say that the only thing that matters is wether somebody lives or die. That's the whole point of the game: the moral choices you make don't really change anything (trying to save Hershel's son or not ; giving a gun to a suicidal girl or not ; cutting the leg of the poor bastard in the woods or not ; killing the woman chased by walkers or not...). Of course, the choices you make don't deeply change the story. What did you expect in 60 days ? A new Skyrim ? You can be pissed of by the ''the game is tailored by how you play'', if you think that based on your playing, the game is going to go to opposite directions, which it doesn't, and never will. But what differs is how you acted to get to where you are. What you had to do, who you trusted, and who you betrayed. Sure, it'd be far more fun if I could say that we all did complete different stuff and lived complete different stories. Sure, it'd be fun if it wasn't that ''linear''. How could I disagree with that ? Having more living or dying choices ; getting to sculpt the story as you like, etc, you're right !

Nonetheless, even so (we're kinda of all in the same position at the beginning of ep. 4), if you think about it, I believe that we did made choices that mattered: killing people in front of Clem, betraying the faith that Kenny had in you by siding with Larry against Duck ; helping kenny to kill Lily's dad ; beating the crap out of Kenny to get him to stop the train. And that's just naming a few of them.

It may not lead you to something different in terms of the story, cause it has to follow some guidelines, but the experience wasn't the same (obviously, this reflexion is kinda killin the ''replaying aspect'' of the game... but... well, what are you gonna do...).


yeah, you are right.. but adding more story, which is affect by you choices would be great so that game could have at least 4 different ending and you are calling it new skyrim? every ep should have at least 2 different story line:(

[Strayth]

You guys, stop acting like choices in adventure game never existed. We're not talking about RPG. We're talking about linear choices and different paths.

But what Telltale has done, is nowhere near those games.

There's ONE PATH. You want me to define what "matters", it's simple, here's how my episode 4 is gonna start :

- Lee Kenny Clem Ben Chuck, and two newcomers

- Clem with short hair having kept a nasty secret

- Carley/Doug being dead

- Lilly away

- Kenny lost his family

- Omid hurt his leg

- Clem couldn't shoot yet

Isn't it the case for you ? I'm pretty sure we had totally different playstyle... And yet it didn't matter in the less.

We always knew the choices and real influence were limited, since episode 1. But at least the journey seemed to somehow adapt slightly to your choices (well it's an illusion, when you replay it's actually even less than that but hey), in episode 3, you have no control over ANYTHING. The same reactions happen, only minor tweaks on some scenes are the result of your choices.

You can't deny that, if episode 1 and 2 weren't really super "adapted" to your choices, at least there were some instances where you could do something and make a difference. Episode 3 is just about following what they want us to do with no freedom whatsoever.

[Funatick]

You guys, stop acting like choices in adventure game never existed. We're not talking about RPG. We're talking about linear choices and different paths.

But what Telltale has done, is nowhere near those games.

There's ONE PATH. You want me to define what "matters", it's simple, here's how my episode 4 is gonna start :

- Lee Kenny Clem Ben Chuck, and two newcomers

- Clem with short hair having kept a nasty secret

- Carley/Doug being dead

- Lilly away

- Kenny lost his family

- Omid hurt his leg

- Clem couldn't shoot yet

Isn't it the case for you ? I'm pretty sure we had totally different playstyle... And yet it didn't matter in the less.

We always knew the choices and real influence were limited, since episode 1. But at least the journey seemed to somehow adapt slightly to your choices (well it's an illusion, when you replay it's actually even less than that but hey), in episode 3, you have no control over ANYTHING. The same reactions happen, only minor tweaks on some scenes are the result of your choices.

You can't deny that, if episode 1 and 2 weren't really super "adapted" to your choices, at least there were some instances where you could do something and make a difference. Episode 3 is just about following what they want us to do with no freedom whatsoever.

well said;) they could more call it movie than game...

[malcom155]

@ awesoke: yep ! i forgot that fact, edited.

@ Strayth: i think it was not too early but badly made, a character can die (even the favorite of the fans) if the death fit the story with a good reason, not a lost bullet.

:spoil-o: in the comic, several characters died because of Rick in the last chapters, "something to fear", Glenn was only the last, he underestimated his opponents. With a good reason you can kill characters :spoil-o:

With Carley's death, i can't see a reason anywhere... Oh yeah, Lilly get angry and kill her... So, the only choice that mattered in the game is now obsolete.

@ RyoStiegler, i don't want a new skyrim, i just a game where my choices tailor the story... (and skyrim is a bad exemple, yours choices influence nothing apart the civil war arc, witch is not the main story ^^) Nothing more... Strangly, which appears on my screen at the beginning of the game is exactly the same but i don't see that anywhere in TWD now. My choices tailor NOTHING in the chapter 3 and Strayth make a good post, we hav all the same game, with the same saves now.

[RyoStiegler]

Well, you know what ? I can see that you guys are right, in a way, and i'm willing to acknowledge it. And this was my first reaction at the end of chapter 3 (in my three saves, it's pretty much the same thing). I am just trying to ''defend'' the undefendable (and quite awfully, apparently^^). I still believe that in my mind, my three saves aren't really the same (deep deep deep down, I haven't had the same character, it's not the same ''Lee'). But storywise, you're all damn right (and yeah Skyrim is a bad example in this matter, but I don't have many references to use, haven't played to videogames in a while... Final Fantasy 7 isn't exactly a good example either^^).

Well, guess I'm just trying to say that, despite all that, I still really like this game :)

[NeonBlade]

As I stated before in previous threads. The only long last choice and difference between anyones save file, is if Clem has on a hoodie or not. Truly lamentable.

[RyoStiegler]

Oh, and while I'm at it, maybe someone could explain to me why is Lily killing Carley (yeah, my question is genuine, I know^^), in the story ? What is your opinion on that ? Because maybe I missed something, but I don't get why is Lilly suspecting Carley in particular. Why not Kenny and Katjaa ? Cause they have a kid (Lily tells you that if you say ''I did it'') ?I n the ''Doug version'', she kills him by accident, trying to shoot Ben, and it's seems way more logical, 'cause Ben is the last to come in the crew, seems kinda fishy and everything. But have I missed any sign that might have brought suspicion on Carley (except the fact that she tried to defend Ben) ? Or was it jealousy (if that's the case, I missed it too) ?

Seems to me that the only explanation is that Lily became a nutcase, and killed someone out of spite. Why would she kill Carley like that, believing that she could be accepted by the group ? But it doesn't fit with the Doug version, where she tries to kill Ben a bit more ''logically''. Furthermore, if Lilly really broke bad, I guess it's not showed that well. 'Guess they are no right answers, but I really believe that if the good version is that Lilly just snapped, it could have been done in a more obvious way (I mean, showing that Lily really became crazy).

[bazenji]

Thanks to you Carley lived another six months. Pat yourself on the back!

Also, Lilly killed Carley because Carley defended Ben and challenged her. Basically, Lilly turned into a fascist tyrant. Notice how she takes the rifle from Lee and puts it on her nightstand possessively? She's obsessed with control and making sure people do what she says and when Carley challenged her, she had to defend her sense of honor and maintain her power and control by murdering her.

[NeonBlade]

Oh, and while I'm at it, maybe someone could explain to me why is Lily killing Carley (yeah, my question is genuine, I know^^), in the story ? What is your opinion on that ? Because maybe I missed something, but I don't get why is Lilly suspecting Carley in particular. Why not Kenny and Katjaa ? Cause they have a kid (Lily tells you that if you say ''I did it'') ?I n the ''Doug version'', she kills him by accident, trying to shoot Ben, and it's seems way more logical, 'cause Ben is the last to come in the crew, seems kinda fishy and everything. But have I missed any sign that might have brought suspicion on Carley (except the fact that she tried to defend Ben) ? Or was it jealousy (if that's the case, I missed it too) ?

Seems to me that the only explanation is that Lily became a nutcase, and killed someone out of spite. Why would she kill Carley like that, believing that she could be accepted by the group ? But it doesn't fit with the Doug version, where she tries to kill Ben a bit more ''logically''. Furthermore, if Lilly really broke bad, I guess it's not showed that well. 'Guess they are no right answers, but I really believe that if the good version is that Lilly just snapped, it could have been done in a more obvious way (I mean, showing that Lily really became crazy).

Because Carley was one of the sloppiest characters written in the Tell-Tale universe. I can't think of a more slipshod, poorly written character than this.

In every scenario. From bashing the zombie Travis/David over the head with the a 2x4 in a mad scramble. From the introduction of the St. John brothers tripping the alarm. To his face when he got the biscuits. To using the laser pen, to fixing the camera. To Doug sacrificing himself when he saw Lily pull out the gun to shoot Ben, and Lily reacting shocked, saying she didn't mean to. Every single last transition throughout the scenes is handled better with Doug as opposed to Carley.

I think TellTale realised they made a mistake and just had her shot in cold blood. Lily doesn't even say anything after Lee props her on the RV after shooting Carley.

[Mafon2]

Honestly, I don't care for Carley.

[Ninja Gaijin]

Knew TTG talking out their asses when they said we'd have proper choices.

[dubesor]

Because Doug was never a threat. Lilly is a wannabe bossing everyone around and carley obviously didn't give a shit and often talked back. Doug on the other hand was a sissy and probably puts his tail between his legs never saying a word back to lilly. Thats imo why lilly shot carley in cold blood and was a bit sorry for accidentally shoting doug.

I played both characters and found doug to be better in ep2 but much worse in ep3, maybe because I expected a possible romance too and carley was hitting hard on you. but she seems like a slut imo. Had a crush on doug, then hangs out with ben all the time, and then hits on Lee.

[RyoStiegler]

I played both characters and found doug to be better in ep2 but much worse in ep3, maybe because I expected a possible romance too and carley was hitting hard on you. but she seems like a slut imo. Had a crush on doug, then hangs out with ben all the time, and then hits on Lee.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on women's behaviour. I truly don't see why a girl would be a slut for being nice with different guys (and not do anything about it, by the way). And hey this is the apocalypse, one guy gets eaten, you're going to next one. I guess that's what Lee (or us, more precisely) will do, in the season or in the next one. But we won't call him a ''slut'' but a goddamn womanizer^^

But well, I guess this is the great contradiction of life: ''why does a lock opened by every door is called a shitty lock, whereas a key that opens every door is called a masterkey'' ? I'll never know.

[laurahughes]

Knew TTG talking out their asses when they said we'd have proper choices.

FUCKING THIS. except i believed them :( after reading all the good review about the first ep i bought the series.

I dont even know if i should finish it now, my aswell watch playthroughs on youtube.

Im so fucked off with myself for buying this piece of shit. The only value is the story which is meant to "tailored to your play style", theres no gameplay value. its actually quite tedious at times.

I WANT MY MONEY BACK

Must be some sorta false advertising law suit or some shit

[Cloudchaser]

I dont even know if i should finish it now, my aswell watch playthroughs on youtube.


You can say that about any game. But, Walking Dead is a prime example, the experience is quite different.

And I don't see any false advertisement...the choices matter, but not in the godlike way in some other games, and even those most the time do not offer real branching storylines...Your choices matter to yourself. And most of the times it is not what you want...it is want you get in this crazy world.

I really don't get it. Really, the outrage about Carleys death...it's a zombie apocalypse, you don't expect everybody to survive only because you demand it, right? But maybe I'm wrong...but I still enjoy any second of this ride.

[bazenji]

but she seems like a slut imo. Had a crush on doug, then hangs out with ben all the time, and then hits on Lee.

Just because Lilly says Carley and Ben have something going on does not make it true. It just makes Lilly a crazy batshit liar who hates Carley for standing up to her.

So Carley had a crush on Doug SIX MONTHS AGO. Oh no, guess she has to pine for him for the rest of her life?

Seriously, come on now.

[Zombie2k12]

aaarrgh... just got through ep.3

why carley, she was the only character i cared about besides clementine... i seriously wanted to shoot lilly in the leg and leave her for the walkers there, but the game didnt let me!

telltale is a real cruel game developer... *annoyed*

or it just makes sense from a marketing point of view... you dont have to pay both voice actors for 5 episodes this way...

[StreetsAhead24]

aaarrgh... just got through ep.3

why carley, she was the only character i cared about besides clementine... i seriously wanted to shoot lilly in the leg and leave her for the walkers there, but the game didnt let me!

telltale is a real cruel game developer... *annoyed*

or it just makes sense from a marketing point of view... you dont have to pay both voice actors for 5 episodes this way...

it would be better to pay for both voice actors and substitute that for Christa and Omid...

Because at this point I pretty much lost all the people that I liked and care for. Now it's only Clem...

[YamiRaziel]

it would be better to pay for both voice actors and substitute that for Christa and Omid...

Because at this point I pretty much lost all the people that I liked and care for. Now it's only Clem...

It was bound to happen I guess. Do not worry I'm sure that a new group will be formed soon.

[Zombie2k12]

It was bound to happen I guess. Do not worry I'm sure that a new group will be formed soon.

the bad thing about storytelling is, that you cant just substitute every character for a new one...

i know that this is "the walking dead", but telltale just killed of two of the most likeable characters, katjaa and carley. would have been interesting to see how katjaa copes with the worst thing that could possibly happen to her, or lee showing some self doubt and sharing it with carley... now you got ben (useless), kenny (timebomb from now on i think) and a few characters who barely had screen time...

kenny and lilly were annoying me from the moment they started their rivalry (which was the moment they met).

[TeleporterFIN]

Why can't Telltale make it just so the bullet scraped her cheek or something? I've seen her death countles times now, and no, the bullet doesn't hit her to the forehead, not actually even in the center of her face, more like her left cheek.

Bring her the fuck back.

[helno]

Why can't Telltale make it just so the bullet scraped her cheek or something? I've seen her death countles times now, and no, the bullet doesn't hit her to the forehead, not actually even in the center of her face, more like her left cheek.

Bring her the fuck back.

This.100% agree

[dubesor]

the bullet goes right her left eye.. she was instantly dead.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

the bullet goes right her left eye.. she was instantly dead.

Wrong, went and scrapped her left cheek.
Heres a pic:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2m6ajq8.png

Only thing stopping Telltale from bringing her back is that they want to keep a dark story. Frankly, the story is too dark. If clementine dies, my Lee has got nothing left to live for. If it were budget issues they should of scrapped Christa or the other guy for Carley since shes the most likable character in the series right now -_-

[literate77]

I just finished the sequence where Carley got shot. It seems kind of pointless that she seemed to be interested in Lee romantically only to get shot a very short time later. Also if her life has to mandarorily end, why like 30 seconds before she is shot, a notification pops up saying "Carley will remember that"?? Yeah, she'll remember it...for a whole half of a minute... I am like 95% certain this is the end of her but man I hope she really didn't die. She was cool.

[Rhod747]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ovhst2cmw&feature=g-upl

On another note, I'll probably stop playing the game for now since I can't be bothered with it due to the characters being bad, not only that, I can't be bothered with playing each episode which usually lasts me 2-3 hours, so I'll probably wait for the next 2 episodes and see if anything sparks my interest again.

[mooneysuzuki]

Wrong, went and scrapped her left cheek.
Heres a pic:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2m6ajq8.png

Only thing stopping Telltale from bringing her back is that they want to keep a dark story. Frankly, the story is too dark. If clementine dies, my Lee has got nothing left to live for. If it were budget issues they should of scrapped Christa or the other guy for Carley since shes the most likable character in the series right now -_-

I miss Carley just as much as the next guy but if they bring her back i wont be able to take the game as seriously as before. It hurts right now, we're all in the denial stage but we knew it was coming :( . It would be cool for her to come back in a dream or something though.

[Rhod747]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ovhst2cmw&feature=g-upl

On another note, I'll probably stop playing the game for now since I can't be bothered with it due to the characters being bad, not only that, I can't be bothered with playing each episode which usually lasts me 2-3 hours, so I'll probably wait for the next 2 episodes and see if anything sparks my interest again.

[Murasaki]

That bullet hole looks pretty big, and it seems to hit her temple rather than cheek.

She could have survived, but a set of improbable circumstances have to occur. She is hundreds of miles away from Lee and the group, and is surrounded by walkers. If an ambulance came along soon after, then perhaps maybe. But it just seems so far fetched. And no doubt she would require extensive recoop time.

Honestly, I still think the best chance to see her again is in a dream, and that "Carley will remember that choice" will influence how that dream is shaped.

[bazenji]

Wrong, went and scrapped her left cheek.
Heres a pic:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2m6ajq8.png

Only thing stopping Telltale from bringing her back is that they want to keep a dark story. Frankly, the story is too dark. If clementine dies, my Lee has got nothing left to live for. If it were budget issues they should of scrapped Christa or the other guy for Carley since shes the most likable character in the series right now -_-

You need to choose a different frame. There's an actual HOLE through her face before the blood squirts out.

[flac2000]

i didn't want Carley to die i only just told her i liked her they should of gave a us a way to save her after all the game is supposed to be about choice or they should of fleshed out the relationship with Carley and lee for another episode i was shocked when lilly did it but i like lilly too what a dilemma.

[thestalkinghead]

all you need to do is touch someone's face and then give them the "head turn" and they will love you forever :)

[RIPCarley]

The bullet hit above the cheek but the blood squirt indicates a major artery was damaged. While she is not immediately dead, the wound needs to be bandaged and disinfectant is required to stop infections.Some surgery is likely required for the damaged artery.

Say your farewells.

[skepticalguy90]

Yeah I'm pretty sure she is dead. The bullet didn't graze her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCClgGvGOp0

Right around 18:19 or so, if you watch the scene, the bullet didn't graze her, it went fully into her cheek (didn't look like the temple though). Even if she wasn't dead, she'd need medical attention right afterwards to avoid bleeding out.

[belrath]

Carley is dead, Lilly is gone, Kenny's family is dead.
But there 3 new strangers.
What i expect from the next episode:
The possibilty to kill Ben, because he is a traitor and indirectly accountable for the death of Carley. (Lee is a murderer, so why not)
Option to leave Omid and Christa behind (and eaten by an hord of walkers), because they don't belong to the group.
Regarding everything went mad, Chuck drinks a lot of whiskey and die unnoticed, so he can create a lot of trouble and possible kill Kenny, by Kenny try to help Clem and Lee to escape.
So Clem and Lee are the only survivors and still have to handle that crazy guy on the other side of the walkie talkie.

[idonotexist]

I had a response that was a lot more in depth but then my browser crashed after almost and hour's typing.

When I played episode 3 I first felt sad at Carly's death. She was really nice to lee and sometimes seemed like the only one he could trust.
Then I accepted it because I like non-formulaic story telling. Then I just got mad. I thought about how the 3 people who I was going to save when the bandits attacked (I thought I might see a similar situation to the one in the drug store) would be Carly Lilly and Katjaa. I realized how I've never really had the power to effect the story.

I could save one of two mostly interchangeable and disposable characters was the most I could do. Almost every scene was going to take place eventually. I thought about how pointless the game had made all those conversations with Lilly, Larry, Kenny and Carly. How there's always a zombie in the back of the pickup. How the Iranian dude (I forget his name now) was always going to break his leg. Its so fitting that this game ends on a railroad.

The steam entry promises:


A tailored game experience – Live with the profound and lasting consequences of the decisions that you make in each episode. Your actions and choices will affect how your story plays out across the entire series. So far none of my decisions have had any real consequence. The end result is always the same.

Features meaningful decision-making, exploration, problem solving and a constant fight for survival in a world overrun by the undead See above

Artwork inspired by the original comic books
This is off topic but no. Just no. This game doesn't look like TWD at all. The big eyed character models shaded in pastels is one of the most jarring parts of the game.

[Cyreen]

Just a reminder, you are playing THE WALKING DEAD.

[Hudomonkey]

Carley is dead, Lilly is gone, Kenny's family is dead.
But there 3 new strangers.
What i expect from the next episode:
The possibilty to kill Ben, because he is a traitor and indirectly accountable for the death of Carley. (Lee is a murderer, so why not)
Option to leave Omid and Christa behind (and eaten by an hord of walkers), because they don't belong to the group.
Regarding everything went mad, Chuck drinks a lot of whiskey and die unnoticed, so he can create a lot of trouble and possible kill Kenny, by Kenny try to help Clem and Lee to escape.
So Clem and Lee are the only survivors and still have to handle that crazy guy on the other side of the walkie talkie.
There is no strength in numbers you survive best in twos so only Lee and Clem will survive
Lilly had the right idea fleeing in the RV

[idonotexist]

Just a reminder, you are playing THE WALKING DEAD.

In the comic Rick makes a number of decisions that have consequences. In this game nothing I've done so far has really mattered.

[Abel]

Just a reminder, you are playing THE WALKING DEAD....well, I suppose pissed fans because of killed favorite characters are appropriate then. ;)

[bazenji]

In the comic Rick makes a number of decisions that have consequences. In this game nothing I've done so far has really mattered.

Because Kenny won't chicken out and leave you to die if you piss him off?

Because a massive fistfight won't break out on the train if you push his buttons while his kid is dying?

Because rescuing Carley/Doug didn't add 6 months to their life span?

Don't confuse making decisions that alter the story with being able to dictate it and conduct it.

[StreetsAhead24]

I think this clip pretty much sums up players' reactions to Carley's death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Sorry just had add some levity and humor

[StreetsAhead24]

It was bound to happen I guess. Do not worry I'm sure that a new group will be formed soon.

Thanks for the comfort but I'm just going to stick it out with Clem when i have the chance. I'm not really looking to make new friends in episode 4 and 5 besides trying to find her parents.

[Zombieface]

Carley/Doug totally got their brains blown out, man.. she/he is never coming back. I really liked Doug :( And he was smart. I was hoping he'd stick around awhile. It's tragic, but that's way it goes in zombie world. If you don't like people you know and like getting killed then it's probably best that you just quit now! lol

[StreetsAhead24]

Carley/Doug totally got their brains blown out, man.. she/he is never coming back. I really liked Doug :( And he was smart. I was hoping he'd stick around awhile. It's tragic, but that's way it goes in zombie world. If you don't like people you know and like getting killed then it's probably best that you just quit now! lol

I am aware that they're not coming back and I'm actually against that considering how absurd it would be. What I'm saying is that ever since St. John's incident and Lily's mental breakdown, it's really harder to trust people.

If you can't trust in the genuineness and honesty of other people you're screwed. Christa had the right idea in that it's better travel in groups of 2 or 3 that you can trust. We had a large group and because of the actions of a few people it caused a large impact which dismantled the group and killed people that you grew fond of.

Personally at this point i think it would be better for me to travel with someone I can trust. If you think that it's better to find another group I respect that :) Everyone has a different playstyle after all

[idonotexist]

Because Kenny won't chicken out and leave you to die if you piss him off? I dont know what you're referring to. If you were referring to the drugstore in E3 he doesn't help you at all.

Because a massive fistfight won't break out on the train if you push his buttons while his kid is dying?Does this change anything?



Because rescuing Carley/Doug didn't add 6 months to their life span?

I was required by gameplay to save one of 2 characters both of whom eventually get shot in the face by the same person.

Don't confuse making decisions that alter the story with being able to dictate it and conduct it.


I want to be able to to make decisions that actually effect the story in some capacity. I was fully expecting to wind up in a sh!tstorm when the bandits showed up and have to make a hard decision about who to save, I didn't get to. The game made it FOR ME.

Everything you do is just cosmetic. Its just a little better than saying you can make meaningful choices by letting the player choose what color shirt lee puts on when he wakes up in the morning.

You make it sound like I just want control over the script where I can say "And then a spaceship lands and Lee gets a suit of power armor and slays the zombie king with his plasma sword and they all live happily ever after!" I want the ability to alter my own destiny in a way that at least attempts to approximate the way a human being does.

[Wrighty]

I feel like all this rage at Carleys death just showns how well they wrote her. This is the walking dead, often people die quickly and pointlessly, that's what makes it a true apocalpyse

[Murasaki]

I feel like all this rage at Carleys death just showns how well they wrote her. This is the walking dead, often people die quickly and pointlessly, that's what makes it a true apocalpyse

I think nearly all of us knew that deep down Carley would eventually die. If the timing and circumstances were different, I would have thought people would have been far more accepting.

[YamiRaziel]

I am aware that they're not coming back and I'm actually against that considering how absurd it would be. What I'm saying is that ever since St. John's incident and Lily's mental breakdown, it's really harder to trust people.

If you can't trust in the genuineness and honesty of other people you're screwed. Christa had the right idea in that it's better travel in groups of 2 or 3 that you can trust. We had a large group and because of the actions of a few people it caused a large impact which dismantled the group and killed people that you grew fond of.

Personally at this point i think it would be better for me to travel with someone I can trust. If you think that it's better to find another group I respect that :) Everyone has a different playstyle after all

You can tell that Christa hasn't stumbled upon a herd. If she had, she would never suggest that :) Being only 2 in a group is a death wish. Either the dead or the living will eventually get you.
The only chance of survival is within a very large group with capable and determined leaders.

[idonotexist]

It it was just Clem and Lee at the St John's they would have both been in the septic tank by now.

[thestalkinghead]

It it was just Clem and Lee at the St John's they would have both been in the septic tank by now.

they wouldnt have entered the farm using Christa's rules

[CrazyGamerzPC]

I think nearly all of us knew that deep down Carley would eventually die. If the timing and circumstances were different, I would have thought people would have been far more accepting.

People die all the time in the walking dead, but killing off Carley/doug in the middle of the season is not acceptable. Ep.4 or 5 is much more acceptable, heck, I expect everyone to die in the end of this season and start off a new season with a new group and situation.

[Havocbeast]

Reading all these comments are hilarious. Seriously, people die in the walking dead. so what? It's supposed to be shocking. It's supposed to anger you. It's supposed to make you annoyed. It's supposed to make you depressed. It's not heroic. It's not a happy ending.

I don't know if you guys have noticed but this is THE WALKING DEAD! Not My Little Pony Adventure Time Happy Ending Game. If you want to play a game with butterflies, rainbows and happy endings, then please play another game.

Seriously, stop crying about choices either. Yes, the developers want to harp on choices and how they matter. And yes, some do, some don't. But just imagine playing this game without having all these choices. I mean, what if you're playing Uncharted or some other game where there is a linear storyline. You didn't complain about that linear storyline did you? (well maybe you did). But think about it, if it wasn't for these choices, you wouldn't even be on these forums talking about any of your decisions throughout the episodes.

[Murasaki]

Reading all these comments are hilarious. Seriously, people die in the walking dead. so what? It's supposed to be shocking. It's supposed to anger you. It's supposed to make you annoyed. It's supposed to make you depressed. It's not heroic. It's not a happy ending.

I don't know if you guys have noticed but this is THE WALKING DEAD! Not My Little Pony Adventure Time Happy Ending Game. If you want to play a game with butterflies, rainbows and happy endings, then please play another game.

Seriously, stop crying about choices either. Yes, the developers want to harp on choices and how they matter. And yes, some do, some don't. But just imagine playing this game without having all these choices. I mean, what if you're playing Uncharted or some other game where there is a linear storyline. You didn't complain about that linear storyline did you? (well maybe you did). But think about it, if it wasn't for these choices, you wouldn't even be on these forums talking about any of your decisions throughout the episodes.

It's ironic in a way, people know what to expect. They know there will be death and sadness along the way. I just don't think many people (including myself) were prepared for the severity of it. It's taken them past their breaking point hence all this reaction. Not everyone can be a "hard nut", so to speak. And it's interesting you should say people should play another game, because I get the feeling some people now will.

I don't people for these optimistic posts at all. And despite how unlikely all these survival theories might sound, it can only be a tribute to how well TTG have created these characters.

[plaqueconspiracy]

I could save one of two mostly interchangeable and disposable characters was the most I could do. Almost every scene was going to take place eventually. I thought about how pointless the game had made all those conversations with Lilly, Larry, Kenny and Carly.

You thought that was pointless? Didn't you like the story?

[YamiRaziel]

Murasaki, read the comic book and you'll toughen up :D I can hardly be caught off-guard after I've read all the 101 issues. It is an amazing story.
The game is a great emotional ride and it still affects me, even though I can say I'm very familiar with the walking dead universe.
People will eventually accept that no matter how hard they whine and cry, nothing is gonna chance. Then they will accept it and maybe one day even appreciate it :)

[skepticalguy90]

Murasaki, read the comic book and you'll toughen up :D I can hardly be caught off-guard after I've read all the 101 issues. It is an amazing story.
The game is a great emotional ride and it still affects me, even though I can say I'm very familiar with the walking dead universe.
People will eventually accept that no matter how hard they whine and cry, nothing is gonna chance. Then they will accept it and maybe one day even appreciate it :)

Or learn to avoid becoming attached to characters because they know at some point they are going to die...

[Murasaki]

Or learn to avoid becoming attached to characters because they know at some point they are going to die...

I think the devs would consider that a failure on their part if you didn't feel some attachment to the characters they created. Same applies for the comics. It only becomes a problem if your attachment to a character becomes more important than real life. Fortunately I don't think that applies here.

[RaoDGuitar]

carleys death really annoyed me too... but hey, thats what the game wants and obviously its working damn good. it somehow shocked me :/ but its strange when people say not to become attached to it. thats how it comes: ppl who become rough and lose feelings and ppl who still love and hope and dont become bandits just to survive... i choose the second :D

[skepticalguy90]

I think the devs would consider that a failure on their part if you didn't feel some attachment to the characters they created. Same applies for the comics. It only becomes a problem if your attachment to a character becomes more important than real life. Fortunately I don't think that applies here.

My point is that it's no different than when a kid learns that a stove is hot and can hurt (at least for me). Once he/she has gotten burned a few times, they learn that lesson. It's not really a problem for me, but knowing that the characters (main or otherwise) are going to die quite frequently keeps me from "investing" in the characters and for me kind of defeats the purpose of the game.

[RaoDGuitar]

It only becomes a problem if your attachment to a character becomes more important than real life. Fortunately I don't think that applies here.

well, thats of course true :D

[YamiRaziel]

My point is that it's no different than when a kid learns that a stove is hot and can hurt (at least for me). Once he/she has gotten burned a few times, they learn that lesson. It's not really a problem for me, but knowing that the characters (main or otherwise) are going to die quite frequently keeps me from "investing" in the characters and for me kind of defeats the purpose of the game.

Actually it's quite the opposite. Knowing that the characters won't die, because they are either the protagonists or fan favourite makes them less real. I can relate to real characters but it almost impossible when I know they're immortal. At least that's how I see it.

[skepticalguy90]

Actually it's quite the opposite. Knowing that the characters won't die, because they are either the protagonists or fan favourite makes them less real. I can relate to real characters but it almost impossible when I know they're immortal. At least that's how I see it.

I can appreciate your view, but honestly I just disagree with that.

[bazenji]

Or learn to avoid becoming attached to characters because they know at some point they are going to die...

Every fan of a TWD character gets to watch them die. But not every fan of a TWD character gets to watch them truly live!

[strela]

As much as I hate that she was shot in the head, if Telltale somehow brought her back after that, I would lose faith in this game.

agree fully with this. I was shocked for a few seconds when she was shot and she was my favorite charachter too. If they were to bring her back to the game though just because some people want it I will be very dissapointed. I hope they won't change that at all.

[DreadMagus]

Her death was horrible, and I don't like it one bit.

But it does illustrate how brutal the setting is. None of these characters will have a happy ending, and that scene makes it very clear.

[Zeruis]

What, have Carley alive only to be killed again? No thanks. Up to the very end, she supported you. She was a good character.

[Damione]

I sincerely cant understand this at all, why do people keep thinking we just want a good ending?! DAMN if you see all the 5 episodes in the game list, you see a picture of EP5 with ONLY clem looking down, i even think that lee dies in EP 5. But i dont suppose we get to EP 5 and walk around and sudently BUUUUM HEADSHOT, we die, the end?! Then what? the rest os the characters go away and your lifeless body is left behind in the guther?!

Killing carley the way they did was just unpredictable, damn it was a really great writhing, but, wath the hell? if they had to kill 1 why not ben?! We know nothing about him, he makes no sense talking to on any playtrough because he tells you nothing usefull, i played EP1, then EP 2 came out and i played EP 1 again then EP 2 and the same for EP 3, so i played EP1 3x, EP2 2x and i didnt even care to end ep 3 because this looks more like a light novel than a complete game, this is an interactive comic book for what i can see, BUT i re-instaled the game and ended EP3 nonetheless(really didnt like it anyway EP3 just doesnt make my heart beat),and dont get me rong, i freaking liked the game if not i wouldnt play EP1 3x and so on, but in EP1 for you to open the door you have to get the AXE, and many more things you really have to go front and back a lot of times to do something that adds playtime and makes us think about what were doing on EP3, ye theres nothing much that way, but seeing EP4 trailer made me fell like EP4 will get better,unfortunately, ye trailers are really great and all but i already saw trailers get the better of us.

And i saw some one saying that they arent lieing in our faces when advertising saying we tailortail the story, that yes we tailortail the story, but not the way we were thinking. But wasnt the way we were thinking their main goal when saying it? its the same thing if we say to a girl "i love you", and end there the sentence but the main part isnt said "but not like that".

They like to advertise half a true, but we dont play half a game do we.

[Orenishii]

I hope that she will come back, she was one of my favorite characters including Lee and Clem. Carley's and Lee's relationship was really becoming interesting, I always knew something would hit off between them, well sorta. It's a shame she died. Dislike Telltale!

[ZombieGoBoom]

I hope that she will come back, she was one of my favorite characters including Lee and Clem. Carley's and Lee's relationship was really becoming interesting, I always knew something would hit off between them, well sorta. It's a shame she died. Dislike Telltale!


Again, I would love to have Carley back but I can't see that happening. If she wasn't so violently jerked away from us, we might not be so upset. Not even a chance to say goodbye. At best perhaps TTG will do something to smooth things over about her death. If her memories are merely discarded like yesterday's paper in the last two episodes, it won't help.

[coryay113]

Carley died yes but so did duck so i consider it a fair trade off.

[Freeze]

Carley was my favorite but it's impossible for her to come back. Even if she survived she's like 100+ miles away from Lee and the gang. I think we"ll see her in a dream sequence where we"ll finally find out what really went down with the Senator and his wife. Someone else also posted that Lee could find a letter in his back pocket from Carley which could be like some sort of confession or "watch your back" thing as well depending on the relationship.

[DreadMagus]

As much as I'd like her back, with only two episodes left, I don't see how it could even be possible.

Of course, they never checked on her to see if she was alive or dead.... and there is another season coming....

[Freeze]

As much as I'd like her back, with only two episodes left, I don't see how it could even be possible.

Of course, they never checked on her to see if she was alive or dead.... and there is another season coming....

That'd be interesting , If Carley finds a new group and they join Lee in Season 2 we wouldn't have any trust issues accepting a new group.

[Seath]

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy written in my opinion.
There was no time for a burial? Because what? Walkers?

He should have carried her into the RV, you just dont let somebody lying on the side on the street, especially sb who you liked. He should have hoped that she somehow survived the shot. (Remember Carl in the Comics? Yup sb. blew half of his face off) Heck, I would have been happy if he could just shed a tear.

I mean there was so much potential on how to handle the loss of a dear groupmember. Not just let him lay on the side of a road and devote him 2 speech lines. (Ben and Katjaa).

I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

[Grimez]

Carley/Doug WILL die. The other stuff people have been complaining about? Apparently there are other alternatives. Nobody's found them yet, far as I've seen.

alternatives for what situations?

[Cyreen]

He should have carried her into the RV

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

[Grimez]

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

as if the kids haven't seen hundreds of dead bodies at this point. (walkers and people)

[Cyreen]

No, they haven't seen anyone die like that before. Walkers aren't people.

[Grimez]

No, they haven't seen anyone die like that before. Walkers aren't people.

The St. John Brothers, Larry, The bandits, etc. They saw all of those, and most of those were worse than a simple bullet wound.

[DreadMagus]

You do make a good counterpoint....

[Cyreen]

The St. John Brothers, Larry, The bandits, etc. They saw all of those, and most of those were worse than a simple bullet wound.

That's your game, not mine. Obviously you were less concerned about the kids to begin with, so hauling around a corpse wouldn't be a stretch. The bandits are not "hundreds" of dead bodies and Clem and Duck were hiding and didn't actually "see" most of that.

[Grimez]

Touche, when I said hundreds I was including walkers. Bandits would probably be somewhere from 10 - 50.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

The kids thing is not an acceptable excuse, nobody knew about any bite victim yet either. He didn't even bother checking her pulse or even looking at her. Kenny just stepped over her and didn't look either. Ben didn't even do a closer inspection, just looked at Carley and thats it....
He should of just took her in the RV for closer inspection and a funeral. If you choose to take Lily with you, you don't see any walkers in the backround, you just get a cutscene of Carley and the dead walkers body so theres no rush of walkers coming for ya which leads me to this quote....

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy
I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

I got this feeling too. Disappointed TTG, disappointed. It was there because of budget issues, but I'd prefer for Chuck or Christa or that other guy to get scrapped for budget issues instead of Doug/ Carley -_-. BEN would be the perfect person to get scrapped instead! Nobody literally cares about him right now....

[uelrindru]

Honestly, I thought they handled the death well. Carley's death was the first time a video game made me sit up and shout at the TV. I made the decision to leave Lily there before I knew the option even existed and I would have killed her with my bare hands if they had let me. Lee got into that van and was shocked, he hadn't come to terms with it and neither had I. That's what good story telling does, it elicts strong emotions from you and sparks great debates like this.
I've had a few moments of intense emotion, when the brothers threatened Clem, I straight lost my shit and choose to run at them. It didn't even matter that I knew I'd probably be shot. Waking up I was first worried about Clem and then after I was sure she was safe I accessed the situation. I'm a stone cold gamer, most of the time I play games I only think of what will benefit me the most or if it's a Mass Effect game where that's less important I pick the way I'm going to play. These moments through all that out and made it real. I cared about the characters as if they were people in those moments.
So what if they made the decision to remove the character because of money, stuff like that happens. If that's true, and I'm not convinced it is, they used what they had to do to craft a memorable experience and show you all that you cared about some pixels and 1's and 0's more than many of you ever had. Carley's death showed you anyone can die, but it also drove home the fact
that anyone can snap in your group, people YOU trust can kill people YOU care about. This group was not unitied, hell they wouldn't have even been near each other save the circumstances. Lily was unstable and this was her breaking point. I had one of my own, I killed the first brother, didn't even think of it just stabbed him. The decision made sense to me and I was happy with it till I realized Clem had seen it. I rationalized it to her but when she asked me if I had to do it I knew the answer was no. I didn't kill the second brother and I didn't steal the food because they were the right things to do. Those decisions mattered, they mattered to me because I didn't become a monster. Will I see any real changes in the game? I have no idea and don't care, the way I felt was worth it regardless. I felt good picking Carley, she was objectively a better choice and a more personable character for me. The actions were different, the feel of the character was different.

[Cyreen]

you say ludicrous clementine before had seen body of larry and st.john brothers in episode 2

Clem saw Larry, otherwise that's your game, not mine.

[Wrighty]

The kids thing is not an acceptable excuse, nobody knew about any bite victim yet either. He didn't even bother checking her pulse or even looking at her. Kenny just stepped over her and didn't look either. Ben didn't even do a closer inspection, just looked at Carley and thats it....
He should of just took her in the RV for closer inspection and a funeral. If you choose to take Lily with you, you don't see any walkers in the backround, you just get a cutscene of Carley and the dead walkers body so theres no rush of walkers coming for ya which leads me to this quote....



I got this feeling too. Disappointed TTG, disappointed. It was there because of budget issues, but I'd prefer for Chuck or Christa or that other guy to get scrapped for budget issues instead of Doug/ Carley -_-. BEN would be the perfect person to get scrapped instead! Nobody literally cares about him right now....

Honestly, feels like you just miss her. Thats okay bro, I miss her too.
*hugs*

Also I don't think the death was completely rushed and random, those two were fighting since ep 1. I think it's just Telltale hitting us where it hurts.

[uelrindru]

The only issue with collecting Carley's body was crazy Lily just happened to be right next to the body.... being crazy. Also, gunshots attract walkers so it made sense to leave her body.

[cesse]

First of all after reading through this whole thread I'd like to say this. STOP SPOILING THE FUCKING COMICS that's seriously rude, this is a forum about the game and if you are gonna write something about the comic then put it under a spoiler.

Second of all, on the discussion if this was good or not both sides make valid points. The good parts about the death I guess is that it shows how much they actually made you care about the character, hell when she got shot it fealt like a real person got shot and I've been sad for a whole day now. That is not something that any game or movie has ever made me become. Also you could argue that it shows that the writers have balls and no one is safe.

BUT

I don't care for one single character anymore except for Clementine. For the rest of the episode my feelings wasn't as invoked as before, sure the other death scenes was well done but I still wasn't having a good gaming experience. I also feel like many other people say, that the death was rushed and cheap. How Lee reacted afterwards didn't feel real at all. He got mad at Lilly at once, but almost didn't talk about Carley at all afterwards. He should have had a short moment to say goodbye or something since they weren't really in that big of a rush, she was the only person that he had any really good connection with, who always stood by his side and he also had feelings for her.

Some death scenes in games have been among the best gaming experiences ever and this could have been outstanding, but the only thing it invoked was rage and not just because of sadness but because it wasn't handled good enough.

Some people (specially a lot on the youtube videos) talk about that she might come back since the bullet only scratched her cheek and no one checked her pulse or anything. I don't know if it would work for this season, but if they would bring her back if they make a second season (which I really hope they do) I actually think it could be good. It would come as a surprise and she could be one of Lee's closest people. A lot of emotional dialouges between them could happen since he though she was dead and all. Then they could kill her off for real later on in the season but give her and Lee a much more emotional moment in the death scene.

[YamiRaziel]

Not every Lee had feelings for Carley. Mine didn't.
Not every Lee had Carley alive at this point so the scratch theory is not going to work. What if Carley died at the drugstore at ep 1? It was obvious that Doug's bullet didn't just scratch his cheek.

[Xarne]

Carley wasnt in my playthrough but I saw the video. The scene was very ...strange. It looks almost as if Lily was intentionally taking Carley out for saying her piece. That was a point blank shot in the face and she's not Neo, or Ozymandias so there's no coming back from that. Most likely walkers heard that shot and ate her within the hour.

[Gman5852]

Not every Lee had feelings for Carley. Mine didn't.
Not every Lee had Carley alive at this point so the scratch theory is not going to work. What if Carley died at the drugstore at ep 1? It was obvious that Doug's bullet didn't just scratch his cheek.

It was also obvious Carley's bullet didn't scratch her cheek, I've seen the cutscene of her death online, it pierces her skull head on.

[Lars80]

We dont know where Carley was shot or if she suffered brain damage. Even if she was strafed the force would knock her over and out. And she would have a concussion. Just look at Daryl in the tv series.
So telltale COULD bring her back.

But that would be almost as stupid as Lee actually sitting down to discuss with Clem how they are going to find her parents in Savannah, when he knows they are dead and Savannah is probably a huge death trap. This is almost as dumb as the pacific playland in Zombieland.

[Seath]

I mean come one, if you had chosen the romance path for Lee, why didn't he bother checking her pulse/looking if there's a little bit of life left in her. Heck he didn't even gave her a look. And would you really leave the body of somebody you loved for zombie food?
The problem is not that she died, but how she died.

[HAcoreRD]

I played this yesterday, and I honestly applaud the creators. I cannot recall when a game made me shout at 1 AM "NO!" like this game, because I loved Carley's character. It's fine for fans to feel robbed out of her, but her death should serve purpose. For Lee, to stop being so trust worthy of everyone, and to prevent future events like this.

My only gripe was we didn't collect her body. Walkers were coming? It would've taken 15 seconds for Kenny and Ben to pick her body up and bring her in the RV. Crazy Lilly is there? Subdue her, hell, I personally wanted to shoot her in the leg(s) so she'd be sure to die. Plus, noone checked for a pulse. Yeah, headshots are 99% fatal, but still, just so noone can claim the bullet went through her cheek and got stopped by something.

All in all, I'll miss Carley, the game wont feel the same to me without her, but that's zombie life for you. Don't grow attached to your party, you all die anyways.

[YamiRaziel]

I mean come one, if you had chosen the romance path for Lee, why didn't he bother checking her pulse/looking if there's a little bit of life left in her. Heck he didn't even gave her a look. And would you really leave the body of somebody you loved for zombie food?
The problem is not that she died, but how she died.

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

[Lars80]

It was also obvious Carley's bullet didn't scratch her cheek, I've seen the cutscene of her death online, it pierces her skull head on.

Where?

[cesse]

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

You mean you don't have time to check if your friend is dead or can be saved? The zombies were pretty far away..

[Gman5852]

Where?

I was watching a Lets play of the series, and it was a perfect headshot from what I saw.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

I was watching a Lets play of the series, and it was a perfect headshot from what I saw.

Don't know how you saw that as a "perfect headshot"
http://i48.tinypic.com/16bfzlv.png
Clearly you see the red dot and the blood from the bullet afterwards. Pierced through her skull and directly into her cheek. Not a perfect headshot at all.....


Just saying:p

[Zombies are Awesome!]

I think somebody got shot in the head in one of the comics and survived :P So Carley can too

[Freeze]

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

If you talk to Katjaa about Carley Lee confirms he has feelings for her. I thought it was bs when I read it on the wiki but it actually does happen.

[DreadMagus]

Unless it's just a slight graze (which would still have stunned her or knocked her out) "or" Lilly had a change of heart and did something to save her from a non-fatal wound..... She's gone.

Country road, at night, bullet wound, walkers, and Crazy Lilly?

Not good odds.

[Tyriel]

Carley death kinda annoyed me cause it seem like another situation were my choices seem to not matter. I think there shud have been another option were if i made different choices she would have lived.

[Web Head]

There should have been a choice which I could choose to kill Lilly, the son of a b**** >_>

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Yea i thought this game was about "choices"? that clearly wasn't a choice, it felt forced onto the player

[SlingJawFish]

Honestly, I am fine if TTG brings Carley back or if they don't. I was really sad and upset that I could not save her; but when I found out that I could not save her anyway, I was slightly better. I think the bringing her back in a dream is a cool idea. If she actually didn't die and comes back some how. thats cool with me. If she doesn't come back ever, im fine with that. But no matter what happens, I will keep playing these games! TTG has done an AMAZING job with this game and I love it!

[Xarne]

We dont know where Carley was shot or if she suffered brain damage. .

Now, I'm no doctor, but it looked to be somewhere in the 'point blank range in the head' area. Studies have shown these types of injuries usually result in death.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Now, I'm no doctor, but it looked to be somewhere in the 'point blank range in the head' area. Studies have shown these types of injuries usually result in death.

There was a real story of a female cop who got shot point blank in the face and was still able to function and walk. Backup didn't know how bad she was and they made her walk down several flights of stairs to the ambulance.

I believe she got shot between her nose and her left cheek but I have no idea of the size of the gun, maybe a 38 revolver. The place where the bullet hits is important but so is luck. However, all of this is pointless for Carley if help doesn't come along and able to give medical aid.

[Xarne]

... to the ambulance..

Carley is dead.

[HAcoreRD]

unless she got medivac'd to a hospital as soon as you drove off, she'd bleed out from blood loss, and Lilly didn't exactly run off to get towels to slow the bleeding :(

[Instant Karma]

Carley is dead. End of discussion. It sucks, it's painful, and it isn't fair for her or Lee, but she's dead. Save a dream/hallucination, we won't be seeing her again.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

i really hope Lee sees her in a dream, just to have some closure. It just happened so fast and nothing was said about it

[ZombieGoBoom]

Carley is dead.



However, all of this is pointless for Carley if help doesn't come along and able to give medical aid.

I believe I covered that part or did you stopped reading.

[Xarne]

I believe I covered that part or did you stopped reading.

Well you were talking about ambulances like that service is still available. It's not. Even if it were, there's no 911 to alert anymore the ambulance. That miracle scenario you presented only existed because there were medical services at the ready to assist.

[mukhlisz]

oh Carley... so many feels... :(

the thing is, i felt that this is EXACTLY something Kirkman would have done. get attached to a character, and when things start to look rosy, he'd kill 'em off without so much of a warning.

i remembered what Lee said to Katjaa afterwards about romance not being a good idea at the time. Part of me felt that it was Telltale's way of saying they've heard what the fans wanted and gave in.

now if only it lasted until finale... :(

[DawgTheGamer]

Just a movement to Bring Back Carly or Doug in a later episode or for Telltale to release a patch to allow these characters to live on. Lets make #BringBackCarly & #BringBackDoug trending on twiter. Make sure tweet these and this facebook page http://www.facebook.com/BringBackCarlyBringBackDougTheWalkingDeadGame@Tell talegames Now I am not completely torn about there deaths I just want more choice in The Walking Dead.

[marcu5]

get over it, they're dead, dude. you people couldn't handle the comics.