What you would change about Episode 3

[kirby18]

!Spoilers!!

-Why Carly WHYYYYYY!! Telltale your such a tease. Have a huge romance with Carly, have that soft music playing when you talk to her, have her kiss you on the cheek and tell you she thinks about you and than what? lets just remove her from the story. Not to mention she was really becoming a part of the family (aka lee and clem)

-Also, katjaa ! You didnt have to rip out my heart telltale with carly than just completely ... im at a loss of words.

-And finally I wish lilly stayed with the group, hopefully we'll see her again but doubt it... I feel like she could of redeemed herself of something.

- A funny yet serious one, when you were walking around the train trying to get it started and the FREAKING ZOMBIE WOULDNT SHUP UP !!!! WTF! and than chuck with his guitar later but atleast that wasnt terrible to listen to on repeat for a solid 10 minutes.

If you know me, you would know I guaranteed Doug/Carlys death/departure before the episode, and I dont mind the way she was killed but why!! :(:(:(

Overall, brilliant episode telltale, and not to take away from it at all but I wished they did just a few things differently...

Please comment with what you think or better yet wish could of happened to make the episode better

[TrickyD]

I really wanted to save the girl at the start rather than leaving her to die or kill her myself.

[kirby18]

I really wanted to save the girl at the start rather than leaving her to die or kill her myself.

Right??? I just commented on another thread but I dont understand why we couldnt yell to her have her outrun the walkers and still have time for some supplies and head off. Could of replaced carly with a charatcer in everyones game.

[Don'tLickTheSaltLick]

Make Lilly shoot Ben instead of Carley/Doug. I just don't feel anything towards him.

[jangjangchang]

Nothing.

Edit: The option to leave Omid and whatever the hell that other thing is behind.

[kirby18]

Nothing.

Edit: The option to leave Omid and whatever the hell that other thing is behind.

I think someones jumping the ship here, we just met them and I dont think there is any reason to not trust them as of right now.

[Red Panda]

Nothing. My hats off to TTG.

[CapnJay]

Well I wouldn't change anything Plotwise. Even decisions I didn't like or outcomes that would happen regardless i'll accept. I would make the importsystem a little cleaner since i had problems at first. I'd also ensure it didn't take like a minute of black screen when the game was trying to determine what your decisions were. basically just the technicall stuff. If I could change Episode 4 however. another female someone sweet and loveable you just wanna take into the group. Who actually has bad intentions for Clem while your busy focusing on the Creepy old guy, mr. "I havent seen a child in ages" and Radio dude." To change it up. Also a chance to pummel the radio guy.

[Viner16]

Also a chance to pummel the radio guy.

Yes. Just Yes.:D

[kirby18]

Well I wouldn't change anything Plotwise. Even decisions I didn't like or outcomes that would happen regardless i'll accept. I would make the importsystem a little cleaner since i had problems at first. I'd also ensure it didn't take like a minute of black screen when the game was trying to determine what your decisions were. basically just the technicall stuff. If I could change Episode 4 however. another female someone sweet and loveable you just wanna take into the group. Who actually has bad intentions for Clem while your busy focusing on the Creepy old guy, mr. "I havent seen a child in ages" and Radio dude." To change it up. Also a chance to pummel the radio guy.

I agree, its a sausage party. And christa looks like a dude so doesnt count. Personally I dont get why TT made such a "sad" ending, not saying I didnt love every second of the episode but why just WHY couldnt carly survive. DANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

[CapnJay]

I agree, its a sausage party. And christa looks like a dude so doesnt count. Personally I dont get why TT made such a "sad" ending, not saying I didnt love every second of the episode but why just WHY couldnt carly survive. DANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

I'd love for TTG to come to the forum and openly say . "We realized Doug and Carley were going to complicate things by staying alive so we made a contrived excuse to kill them off to save ourselves room for the big Decisions you will make in episode four that we only have to carry into episode five. In Conclusion They died so Episode four and five can be awesome . Their sacrifice will not be in vain."

[kirby18]

I'd love for TTG to come to the forum and openly say . "We realized Doug and Carley were going to complicate things by staying alive so we made a contrived excuse to kill them off to save ourselves room for the big Decisions you will make in episode four that we only have to carry into episode five. In Conclusion They died so Episode four and five can be awesome . Their sacrifice will not be in vain."

haha so true, maybe we will get to pick btw Omid and Christa. it would be funny if ttg is trolling us and we see a Carly/Doug walker (with the one we picked ofcourse) in the next episode just to tell us we could of let them stick around but nahhh

[ZacTB]

I would have another surviving member of the Motel group. Not Lilly/Carley/Larry but maybe either Katjaa or Duck. It just seems like in the trailer for Episode 4 the group doesn't really seem as interesting and Kenny pretty much has nothing to live for, I am sure Chuck is psychotic, Omid and Ben are disposable for obvious reasons and Christa is a bitch. I think Duck surviving would make Kenny want to live for something, I am not sure how they would have made Katjaa die though.

To be honest instead of Duck surviving I would like Katjaa and Duck to die as normal but I would have liked for Mark to be introduced in Episode 1 as that would make his death more surprising and have more of an impact and to have a new female character introduced in Episode 2 who survives into at least Episode 4 with the group. It would be good if she contrasts with Christa a bit as well.

[Hidan13]

Nothing would of saved the girl at the beginning, she was bitten in the leg before you got the chance to kill the zombies, making her essentially dead meat or a walker.

Anyways I would have probably changed Carley's death, maybe make it into a choice where you choose to kick one out (Carley/Doug or Ben), but oh well. Still would of preferred if Carley were to stay: she was the most loyal towards Lee and usually had the best out looks on the situations, compared to everyone else who were usually arguing (Kenny and Lilly), complained but really did nothing to change the situation (Larry and Mark), too passive (Katja and Doug to an extent, but he also fits into the Carley category), or overall just don't have a voice within the group one way or another, for some simply because they choose not to speak up. (Ben, Clementine, and Duck)

Overall I'd say Carley was sort of the voice of reason, along with Katja, and with the two of them gone the group is going to twirl done even farther into dehumanization. I'd defend Doug more, I only really spent time with him in Episode 1, then he died, but if I remember correctly he simply followed orders and really didn't speak up unless he needed too, while Carley constantly has Lee thinking about morale choices he makes.

So yes, I'd probably say change the killing off Carley and Doug to the last episode, so their characters could have fleshed out better and we would have had a more emotional impact after seeing them gone, as all the characters essentially acted five minutes later like it didn't even happen. (Well they didn't appear phased that someone in their group killed their own for essentially no good reason...)

[kirby18]

I would have another surviving member of the Motel group. Not Lilly/Carley/Larry but maybe either Katjaa or Duck. It just seems like in the trailer for Episode 4 the group doesn't really seem as interesting and Kenny pretty much has nothing to live for, I am sure Chuck is psychotic, Omid and Ben are disposable for obvious reasons and Christa is a bitch. I think Duck surviving would make Kenny want to live for something, I am not sure how they would have made Katjaa die though.

To be honest instead of Duck surviving I would like Katjaa and Duck to die as normal but I would have liked for Mark to be introduced in Episode 1 as that would make his death more surprising and have more of an impact and to have a new female character introduced in Episode 2 who survives into at least Episode 4 with the group. It would be good if she contrasts with Christa a bit as well.

I think we can all agree there are more pros than cons if more survived. personally i think if just duck died and lilly left it still would of been great. kenny would have katjaa and carly/doug can remain that character that lee trusts the most. this is not to say the episode isnt perfect but i think it had potential to be better.

I completely agree, tt didnt really give us enough time to get to know chuck, omid or christa... so i really just dont like the vibe from the current group. i think having carly/doug OR lilly still would add to the plot

[Norskatt]

I would have liked the option to shoot Lilly instead of leaving her on the roadside (or allowing her to steal the RV)

[AwesomeIncarnate]

I'd change i.e. fix the release date issues.

[Greenpaw]

I miss Carley D:. I only really like Chuck of the new survivors. Christa bitches way too much and Omid wasn't developed at all. It was a great episode, but whatever Telltale says I will always think of Carley/Doug's death as a cop-out. They could of had a choice, but nope. It was probably brought on because of everyone bitching about the release dates, Telltale now has a pretty linear storyline. Carley and Doug brought a great difference to each episode, now all we really have to impact episode 4 is small dialogue differences between the already established characters. Like,

Kenny: "Oh thanks for doing that for Duck."
Or Omid
"Why'd you pick Christa first over me!?"

It's nothing too dynamic in a game the choices are tailored by how we play. Carley and Doug had extremely good potential, now they're gone. Gone before anything really major could be established from either of them.

Sorry for the lack of Doug, I've only played up till the end of episode two with him.

[kirby18]

I miss Carley D:. I only really like Chuck of the new survivors. Christa bitches way too much and Omid wasn't developed at all. It was a great episode, but whatever Telltale says I will always think of Carley/Doug's death as a cop-out. They could of had a choice, but nope. It was probably brought on because of everyone bitching about the release dates, Telltale now has a pretty linear storyline. Carley and Doug brought a great difference to each episode, now all we really have to impact episode 4 is small dialogue differences between the already established characters. Like,

Kenny: "Oh thanks for doing that for Duck."
Or Omid
"Why'd you pick Christa first over me!?"

It's nothing too dynamic in a game the choices are tailored by how we play. Carley and Doug had extremely good potential, now they're gone. Gone before anything really major could be established from either of them.

Sorry for the lack of Doug, I've only played up till the end of episode two with him.

yep like you said, and as i was discussing in another thread the choices make only minor differences which is something that will change dramatically in 4 nd 5 since there are only two episodes left. the decision as to who to save, carly or doug seemed to be the only choice that carried significant weight into other episodes

[Greenpaw]

yep like you said, and as i was discussing in another thread the choices make only minor differences which is something that will change dramatically in 4 nd 5 since there are only two episodes left. the decision as to who to save, carly or doug seemed to be the only choice that carried significant weight into other episodes

Yeah honestly from the trailer I was really hoping we'd get to choose between Omid and Crista and then have two different determinant characters, sorta like our own survival group made. Nope, we don't get that all. Could've be great too, maybe have love triangle between Crista, Lee and Carley? Who knows, wasted potential.

[kirby18]

Yeah honestly from the trailer I was really hoping we'd get to choose between Omid and Crista and then have two different determinant characters, sorta like our own survival group made. Nope, we don't get that all. Could've be great too, maybe have love triangle between Crista, Lee and Carley? Who knows, wasted potential.

i actually saw a love triangle with lee lilly nd carly... i thought lilly offed her and intentionally accused her than when she shot her and saw how angry lee was she knew lee loved carly, not her. the "will you come with me" was just a last ditch effort in which 99% said no... is that safe to say haha?

[CapnJay]

Yeah I'd kind of like to know why Lily blamed Carley of all the people she could blame if she needed a scapegoat.


but she blames Doug too.

[Overwatch]

I agree, its a sausage party. And christa looks like a dude so doesnt count. Personally I dont get why TT made such a "sad" ending, not saying I didnt love every second of the episode but why just WHY couldnt carly survive. DANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

It's because it's the third episode. I have my own literary term for it. I call it "The valley of depression". Episode 1 is fine, kinda sad but not too bad. Episode 2 starts off sad and just goes down hill from there. Then Episode 3 starts off real bad and just gets sadder and sadder. So, after all that, there's no way but up....

right?!?

[CapnJay]

It's because it's the third episode. I have my own literary term for it. I call it "The valley of depression". Episode 1 is fine, kinda sad but not too bad. Episode 2 starts off sad and just goes down hill from there. Then Episode 3 starts off real bad and just gets sadder and sadder. So, after all that, there's no way but up....

right?!?

more like the check mark of depression at best

[kirby18]

It's because it's the third episode. I have my own literary term for it. I call it "The valley of depression". Episode 1 is fine, kinda sad but not too bad. Episode 2 starts off sad and just goes down hill from there. Then Episode 3 starts off real bad and just gets sadder and sadder. So, after all that, there's no way but up....

right?!?

Right...I think...Im trying to see how they could make it more sad in the next episode but I honestly cant think of anything. Kenny has lost everything so his death although obviously sad wouldnt be near as sad as it was for katjaa or duck. I dont care what happens to Ben, not saying he is as bad as everyone says he is but he really hasnt done anything for the group he usually just stands there. Chuck, we just met and seems like a nice guy but lets be honest- his death wont be sad since he is leaving nothing behind. As for Christa and Omid, well they could develop them through episode 4 than make a heart breaking tradgedy at the end but if anything happens to them based off of episode 3, it really wouldnt be sad.

God forbid but the only thing that would really give telltale the win in this staring contest of sadness is if something happened to clem or lee...

[Rambo297]

As someone, killing Ben instead of Carley :) Or just possibility to stop Lilly

[Red Panda]

I think we should have been able to at least bone Carley before she died. It's not like they are trying to make this a family game.

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[kirby18]

As someone, killing Ben instead of Carley :) Or just possibility to stop Lilly

I would of done anything to keep Carly around honestly since she was the only level headed one in the group who I really trusted besides clem. Alas, it would take telltale DOUBLE the amount of time to make and develop a whole other story if doug/carly stuck around. So i guess it the realm of it being "just a video game" it was for the benefit of the game I would of liked carly to die in a different matter where we could have an emotional burial or something but whatevvvvs

[kirby18]

I think we should have been able to at least bone Carley before she died. It's not like they are trying to make this a family game.

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I think Clem would of liked a younger sister! haha no but seriously they were in a motel, the single place on earth where scandals happen and better yet in the zombie apocalypse!! I think lee and carly have done it just in between the time of episodes. I find it hard to believe they didnt. It seems everyone in the group knew they were fond of eachother

[ZombieGoBoom]

If keeping Carley/Doug around would have complicated the story, then why not have them become wounded by Lilly. She aims for the head shot but have Lee block it at the last second and they instead take a nasty graze to the head or something which puts them down for a while. The rest of the story then can unfold nearly unchanged except we're carting a wounded and unconscious Carley/Doug with us in the back of the train.

[Bcroft]

I definatly would have changed the way Carley died, made it a choice between her and ben or a goodbye or something no closure in that, I don't feel like were in a group anymore so if theres a choice to split up from everyone else I'll take it, I don't owe these ppl anything and christa should watch her mouth

[WowMutt]

I really wanted to save the girl at the start rather than leaving her to die or kill her myself.

I actually thought to leave her alive for the walkers as a distraction for Kenny and myself before Kenny even suggested it! Harsh to be sure, but tactically the wise decision!

And when Katjaa took Duck off into the woods, I thought "she's going to kill herself" so when we heard the shot and walked up and saw it, it really wasnt a shock, but still a "WOW" moment!

[kirby18]

I actually thought to leave her alive for the walkers as a distraction for Kenny and myself before Kenny even suggested it! Harsh to be sure, but tactically the wise decision!

And when Katjaa took Duck off into the woods, I thought "she's going to kill herself" so when we heard the shot and walked up and saw it, it really wasnt a shock, but still a "WOW" moment!

I also sensed katjaa was going to kill herself. Just by the way she said, duck is my whole life. idk if you told katjaa that you were a convict but I did and than told her what happened in the meat locker with larry and she replied "everythings changed"... so I think she saw how Kenny has changed into a terrible human. Just one note about the suicide, how did she get the gun...didnt kenny have it? I find it hard to believe unless he put the gun down for some reason that she quickly grabbed it fast enough from him.

[Master of Aeons]

Of course she died before sleping with Lee. I knew she was dead the moment she said she was thinking about Lee. In the apocalypse you NEVER declare love for another or try to settle down to start a family. NEVER.

[WowMutt]

I also sensed katjaa was going to kill herself. Just by the way she said, duck is my whole life. idk if you told katjaa that you were a convict but I did and than told her what happened in the meat locker with larry and she replied "everythings changed"... so I think she saw how Kenny has changed into a terrible human. Just one note about the suicide, how did she get the gun...didnt kenny have it? I find it hard to believe unless he put the gun down for some reason that she quickly grabbed it fast enough from him.

I don't recall seeing Kenny give Katjaa the gun, but I kinda figured that's what happened. I guess some things are just implied that maybe just don't need to be shown.

I mean, that scene was about Kat and Duck and Kenny dealing with that situation, not about how did Kat get the gun!

[der_ketzer]

I'd make Clementine the one who gave away the supplies.
Also: what was the consequence of the steal decision in Episode 2. Is there any?

[AshleyTheNeko]

The thing that irked me was how slow the attacking bandits were to respond after one of them got shot. They all had weapons and they just stood there looking stupid while they got picked off. I don't mean the sniping sequence, but before the rest of them came in.

There were a few other strange quirks, some minor animation problems, some odd dialogue, mostly near the beginning, but overall, great episode.

[Sir Craigius]

I would have reduced the number of deaths slightly. I think Doug/Carly should have been kept alive until at least the next episode.

[kingmartykim]

I would have liked the option to shoot Lilly instead of leaving her on the roadside (or allowing her to steal the RV)

I get it we all want to kill Lily after what she did to Carley..but killing her in front of Clem and the others especially after you told them you murdered someone doesn't go too well...

In 3rd person view if i was in the group and Lee came to me after all what happened and told me he murdered someone, i guess i would freak a bit but frankly glad for his honesty.....now after telling me that and killing Lily i would not be able to trust the guy at all

[mjc0961]

Well, once Ben told me it was him, I thought about replaying to see if I could get Lilly to kill him instead. Apparently that doesn't happen though. :(

[GotChoice]

I would have liked choices that actually matter. Anyone that says killing the Carley-Doug Sprite was good story telling thinks Transformers didn't have enough explosions.

Killing Carley cool! (Well not cool lol) I actually cared! I was devastated and looking forward to doing a replay of the whole series! That is until I checked the forums and realized that Doug dies the EXACT same way there was nothing you could do about it and all they choices you made with the Lilly Sprite amounted to... "CORE CONTENT".... "Look you tried to help my dad don't think I will forget that..." "CORE CONTENT... No choices effect my actions... CORE CONTENT"

To bad Tell Tale I thought you guys really had something special here. Great writing for the most part however I wont be paying for any of your episodes this season unless 4 and 5 really impress me. Hopefully season 2 will learn from season 1s short falls and I will purchase that one...

R.I.P. Dead Sprites...

[ComixFan]

While it seems petty, I would change Carly's/Doug's death. If TellTale, and the new writer for this episode, felt Carly/Doug *needed* to die for some important narrative tragedy, then there's little that can be done on our parts at this point. It's not like she was shot and went over the side of a bridge or something into the water, thereby giving the *hope* that she might have survived. She was shot in the face. At point-blank. What I would change would be the why.

If you're going to kill off a central love interest or popular character, give it meaning, not just as a narrative scapegoat to have an excuse to eject another character who *has* to leave the group because she plays an important role in the comics. (Nice call there TellTale. Couldn't have just used Glen...)

Even in Kirkman's comics popular characters dying, while senseless and painful sometimes, serve the greater story. They feel important. Lessons were taken. Carly/Doug's death was completely empty and flat for anyone who could see what was really done from a technical aspect.

I mean, it was so clear it pulled me out of the game completely and left me looking at the whole think differently. Now, when a character is dead, I can't see the tragedy, but instead I find myself asking the question: Was this done because they just need room for a new character? And, given the quality of the series thus far, this is really quite a sad change for me and very well will impact whether or not I purchase Episode 4.

[kingmartykim]

A sex scene would have been nice....like heavy rain with Carley at the motel before the bandits came! :D:D:D

[ComixFan]

A sex scene would have been nice....like heavy rain with Carley at the motel before the bandits came! :D:D:D

Right, because that wouldn't have cheapened the character at all...:rolleyes:

[Penner]

Even in Kirkman's comics popular characters dying, while senseless and painful sometimes, serve the greater story.

I would argue -- both in the case of the original comics, and in the case of the game -- that the deaths being pointless *is* the point.

[kingmartykim]

Right, because that wouldn't have cheapened the character at all...:rolleyes:

My Lee has needs DAMN IT! lol he deserves it...they both do :cool:

[CapnJay]

to quote john cleese "what a senseless waste of human life"

[ComixFan]

I would argue -- both in the case of the original comics, and in the case of the game -- that the deaths being pointless *is* the point.

But their pointless in the sense of tragedy, tragedy which fuels the greater narrative. They're not *bleeping* Scapegoats. Kirkman is a better writer then that. Something greater is always taken from those deaths.

Carly/Doug's demise is a blink moment and then they've essentially moved on. They even leave her/his body on the side of the road like she/he's not important, not even bothering to take it for burial or burning. She/He was shot in the face, so she's/he's not coming back. It literally was a plot hole through which they shoved Lily out.

Example of a Pointless/Senseless death that adds painful gravitas to the story? Katjaa's suicide.

[SpikeJack1]

I would of done anything to keep Carly around honestly since she was the only level headed one in the group who I really trusted besides clem. Alas, it would take telltale DOUBLE the amount of time to make and develop a whole other story if doug/carly stuck around. So i guess it the realm of it being "just a video game" it was for the benefit of the game I would of liked carly to die in a different matter where we could have an emotional burial or something but whatevvvvs

Yup. Wasted potential. Loved Carley to bits. My Lee would've known that, and what makes sad is that his reaction to her death was so small!!
I hope in the next episode there's few more dialogue options about Carley's sudden death than:
Katjaa: "I'm sorry about Carley. I know you were fond of her..."
Lee: "Yeah, I was fond of her. She was small. I like...small...*eyes Clemie-Clem like Omid*"

Telltale--make Lee cry over Carley in Episode 4 and I can just about get over my sleepless nights witnessing the things in this game!

[kingmartykim]

Telltale--make Lee cry over Carley in Episode 4 and I can just about get over my sleepless nights witnessing the things in this game![/QUOTE]

Amen brotha

[ComixFan]

Folks, please don't spam in BOLD.

[Peace&Love]

I would change nothing.

[Zhombre]

honestly i wouldnt change a thing, theyve done a fantastic job at making the forums explode in outrage over the death of carley, which shows how invested and shocking it was that TT went ahead and killed her off, which is complete authentic walking dead style. Get you invested in characaters then kill them off at a whim in unexpected ways. im glad they didnt go the typical route when coming up with a new twist in the story telling and throw a half assed romantic interest in, they decided to develop even further in your interest and protection of clementine... to have a love affair going as well would be silly and take away from the core development focus between those two characters. Ultimately at the end of the day the story is about Lee, and how hes going to see clementine through the zombie apocalypse, and gain redemption for his sins in the past.

[ComixFan]

honestly i wouldnt change a thing, theyve done a fantastic job at making the forums explode in outrage over the death of carley, which shows how invested and shocking it was that TT went ahead and killed her off, which is complete authentic walking dead style. Get you invested in characaters then kill them off at a whim in unexpected ways. im glad they didnt go the typical route when coming up with a new twist in the story telling and throw a half assed romantic interest in, they decided to develop even further in your interest and protection of clementine... to have a love affair going as well would be silly and take away from the core development focus between those two characters. Ultimately at the end of the day the story is about Lee, and how hes going to see clementine through the zombie apocalypse, and gain redemption for his sins in the past.

Wrong. The Outrage comes because *how* Carly/Doug died was pointless and poorly executed. And bad press/attention is not always "good press." Especially when you're an Arcade/Download Game.

Mass Effect 3 was a giant Triple-A title that people had deep investments in, and, when BioWare slapped the fans across the face with a poorly written/poorly executed twist, it effected the sales of the game with mass returns, and proverbial industry shit storm.

While Carly/Doug's demise won't garner quite that level of rage, it is likely to effect sales of the next episode and the series overall. I've seen such posts both here and on other gaming sites. Something I'm sure TellTale is aware of.

So, you're proud of them, and that's fine. But don't believe for a moment they thought this through because they obviously didn't.

[Zhombre]

Wrong. The Outrage comes because *how* Carly/Doug died was pointless and poorly executed. And bad press/attention is not always "good press." Especially when you're an Arcade/Download Game.

Mass Effect 3 was a giant Triple-A title that people had deep investments in, and, when BioWare slapped the fans across the face with a poorly written/poorly executed twist, it effected the sales of the game with mass returns, and proverbial industry shit storm.

While Carly/Doug's demise won't garner quite that level of rage, it is likely to effect sales of the next episode and the series overall. I've seen such posts both here and on other gaming sites. Something I'm sure TellTale is aware of.

So, you're proud of them, and that's fine. But don't believe for a moment they thought this through because they obviously didn't.


ok hold the phone here, ur seriously not comparing the deaths of doug/carly to the endings of me3 are you? your greatly overstating the worth of carley and doug if you are, they were tertiary characters at best, not some game changing momentous characters that you completely lose all worth in the game over losing them. Also not every death has huge meaning in the world, lots of people die stupid pointless deaths everyday ....why because theyre in your party or in a unique situation does their deaths have to be this huge momentous occasion? I think its incredibly interesting that theyd kill them so nonchalantly ... it shows the bleakness of twd universe. You may not like that it happened, but that isnt a reflection of poor story telling, poor story telling would make you not give a shit whatsoever. i think it was done to get a huge reaction out of the fanbase and shake the dynamic up- and it succeeded greatly at doing so, your heatedness of your response proves that greatly. Besides its not a huge stretch for lilly to lose her shit all of a sudden, shes been ready to snap since the first episode...

Also its sad commentary that ud want to have complete fan (well fans with YOUR perspective seeing as me and many others have no problem with ep 3 whatsoever) approval of all aspects of the story so you wouldnt bail on buying future episodes. If tt had that mentality the fiction would be boring as hell, predictable, and would prolly consist of carley, clementine, and lee sailing to the florida keys with her parents. You need shock value, you need to be able to keep your audience guessing in order to make solid story telling.

[kirby18]

I got it, Carly returns as a friendly ghost. As desperate as that is, that is honestly the only way shes coming back. If she came back alive by any excuse I would lose respect for tt. I would like her to return but at the same time the story has been BRILLIANTLY told so far that (like I said before) has kept plot twists and reality at a fair line.

What I mean by that is I hope for the sake of the game, Lilly or Carly dont return, Chuck is not the st johns father, or that the guy on the walkie talkie is anyone we know...why? Because those things would not be plausible in logic or in life. Now I know a lot will say its a video game and its supposed to be entertaining and stretch reality but so far tt has tooken an angle where they keep the story moving and very interesting without making huge plot turns.

[Gem!n!]

well actually I was quite shocked by Lilly shooting Carley. I think the leaving her lying at the side of the road because in need of quick depature situation was well executed.

The thing I didnt really like that much in regarding the storytelling is that Katja shoot herself right in front of her dying son. Well ok I understand her demise but this felt a little bit wrong.

And I think we might get some interesting conversation about Lilly killing Carley in the next episode and in Lee gieving some more grief to that.

I let Lilly go with the van and would love to see her again in one of the next episodes. Lee and Lilly should talk some more than they have after Lilly shooting Carley. I am as the character Lee not in rage and dont wanna kill Lilly but I could imagine a situation where Lilly and Lee have made their peace and then Lilly gets bitten by a zombie and she wants Lee to give her the shoot in the head and kill her. So that finally the story between Lilly, Lee (and Carley) ends.

[Krychek]

... you completely lose all worth in the game over losing them.


That's exactly what happened to me.

... carley, clementine, and lee sailing to the florida keys with her parents.

It's the good ending idea. I like it.

[kirby18]

well actually I was quite shocked by Lilly shooting Carley. I think the leaving her lying at the side of the road because in need of quick depature situation was well executed.

The thing I didnt really like that much in regarding the storytelling is that Katja shoot herself right in front of her dying son. Well ok I understand her demise but this felt a little bit wrong.

And I think we might get some interesting conversation about Lilly killing Carley in the next episode and in Lee gieving some more grief to that.

I let Lilly go with the van and would love to see her again in one of the next episodes. Lee and Lilly should talk some more than they have after Lilly shooting Carley. I am as the character Lee not in rage and dont wanna kill Lilly but I could imagine a situation where Lilly and Lee have made their peace and then Lilly gets bitten by a zombie and she wants Lee to give her the shoot in the head and kill her. So that finally the story between Lilly, Lee (and Carley) ends.

Lilly is gone for good. Carly is gone for good. I agree with everything you said besides lilly coming back. She is not.

[Marleysativa]

But their pointless in the sense of tragedy, tragedy which fuels the greater narrative. They're not *bleeping* Scapegoats. Kirkman is a better writer then that. Something greater is always taken from those deaths.

Carly/Doug's demise is a blink moment and then they've essentially moved on. They even leave her/his body on the side of the road like she/he's not important, not even bothering to take it for burial or burning. She/He was shot in the face, so she's/he's not coming back. It literally was a plot hole through which they shoved Lily out.

Example of a Pointless/Senseless death that adds painful gravitas to the story? Katjaa's suicide.

Carley's/Doug's murder showed us just how far Lilly had deteriorated from the events in the past episode. Not to mention what it does to Lee and how he handles a decision shortly after. That was what I took away from his/her death. Not every death needs to have significance to the overall story.

These characters also live in a different world. They essentially had lost all stability (what little there was) a short time before and had just witnessed a friend murdered by one of their own. Pleasantries like burials are a luxury in their world. If you haven't learned that by now... I just don't know.

Wrong. The Outrage comes because *how* Carly/Doug died was pointless and poorly executed. And bad press/attention is not always "good press." Especially when you're an Arcade/Download Game.

It may have been pointless to you, but it was executed extremely well. Seriously, what are you expecting? There are several of us that have warned that these things would happen if TTG followed through with sticking to the spirit of "The Walking Dead" comics.

So, you're proud of them, and that's fine. But don't believe for a moment they thought this through because they obviously didn't.

Because you don't like the events that transpired in this episode, it was poorly thought out. Wat. This episode was absolutely awesome, I'm sorry you don't feel the same way.

[Bcroft]

I think since theres so many people that think carley's death was executed in a bad way they should make her come back in a dream or hallucination for some closure

[dee23]

I think it was a good idea to kill off Carly but they did it do soon.

[FarmerJoe]

I liked Carley but I don't get why Lee should be grief stricken over her death.They were basically at the 'first date' stage at most?! Lee's grief doesn't even compare to Kenny's loss or even Lilly's loss of a parent. Carley fancied Doug first only a few months ago and she fancies Lee even if you told her you didn't trust her, so surely she isn't' that picky when choosing men. I few lines in episode 4 discussing the loss of Doug/Carley's should suffice.

[Phantom Command]

Carley's death felt flat compaired to Doug who gave his life to save ben it was dramatic, Carley just Insulted a phyco a little too much and was gunned down, maybe if the pacing was faster and the insults more hard hitting it would work?

[DreadMagus]

You didn't find that insult hard hitting? It was hilariously vicious. lol :)

Makes me proud.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

What do I change?
Lilly could shoot Ben, soon after a zombie appears and kills Lilly.
Or, the bandits hit one shot at Ben and Lilly ...
I would be very happy if that happened ...
(so she did not shoot Carley / Doug could not save Ben!)
But Episode 3 was also very good...

[Cyreen]

Duplicate threads suck.

You didn't find that insult hard hitting? It was hilariously vicious. lol :)

Not bad as far as last words go, really she should have followed up with a right hook.

[_Grey_]

Carley's/Doug's murder showed us just how far Lilly had deteriorated from the events in the past episode. Not to mention what it does to Lee and how he handles a decision shortly after. That was what I took away from his/her death. Not every death needs to have significance to the overall story.

These characters also live in a different world. They essentially had lost all stability (what little there was) a short time before and had just witnessed a friend murdered by one of their own. Pleasantries like burials are a luxury in their world. If you haven't learned that by now... I just don't know.



It may have been pointless to you, but it was executed extremely well. Seriously, what are you expecting? There are several of us that have warned that these things would happen if TTG followed through with sticking to the spirit of "The Walking Dead" comics.



Because you don't like the events that transpired in this episode, it was poorly thought out. Wat. This episode was absolutely awesome, I'm sorry you don't feel the same way.

Not every death needs to have significance to the overall story.

When they're one of the only differences between episodes one and three and one of the most relatable/level-headed characters in the game, their death better contribute significance to the overall story, especially if they're fan favorites. It was handled sloppily. Even in the comics, characters are fleshed out before they die; Kirkman doesn't usually just introduce someone to kill them a short while later, and since each episode is only about 2 hours, there was plenty of room for narrative expansion regarding the roles of Carly/Doug. Duck and Katja dying were enough for this episode and that even felt forced given how the walkers somehow appeared inside of the motel complex, even though the bandits had literally just entered. Episode 3 reeked of emotional manipulation and it comes across as bad writing if you need to force situations (like Duck suddenly becoming useful right before he dies) to make your audience sad about a character passing.

[zgamer]

I have made peace with Carley/Doug dying. If not this episode, I kind of expected them to die in Episode 4. It was a bit shocking and maybe a tad premature, but it could have been a lot worse!

No, the thing I would have changed is the ending. To suddenly throw in two characters I don't care for and give no time to develop was just kind of flimsy. And the "climax" of a horde of walkers really did nothing for me. It was just the "ok, and here we will put lots of zombies in" moment.

If I had a say in this, I think introducing those two and the stuff with Duck and Katjaa should have switched places. Another part of why I felt the ending was weak was because it felt like the episode's plot climaxed too early. After what happens to Duck, you don't really feel like anything can top that. And...it doesn't. If these points were switched, it would have given Omid and Christa time to develop and be worth caring about while giving a strong climax to the episode.

I think that's the biggest thing for me I would change.

[Master of Aeons]

No, the thing I would have changed is the ending. To suddenly throw in two characters I don't care for and give no time to develop was just kind of flimsy. And the "climax" of a horde of walkers really did nothing for me. It was just the "ok, and here we will put lots of zombies in" moment.

If you know how herds work in the comics, you pretty much know how many are following the train. The train is just an excuse to build a herd. I think that's only the forehead of the zombie though, we'll get a real herd in the next episode.

[QuarterPounderVlad]

By the looks of it, You'd change .... 70% of the episode?
-.-
I'd change nothing, It's brilliant.

[Master of Aeons]

Me, I'd have tried to find some way to make the ending have a little more punch. I agree that the episode 1 and 2 cliffhangers were great and the third wasn't as strong. That might require taking an element from 4 and placing it earlier, so it's probably impossible.

[Cyreen]

I wanted an explosion, that's it. Just one big kaboom. Otherwise I wouldn't change a thing.