Bring ***** Back! ( or maybe ***** )

[ZombieBlaster]

My Observation

I'm not much of a doctor but I am quite an observer. I watched Carley's death a lot of times ( it's torture ) and I can see that she got hit in her left cheek. Sorry don't know bout' Doug

My stupid reason:

What if some good professional healer "Samaratin" saw him/her and healed him/her. I've watched a lot dramas and somehow those people who get shot in the face or body still manages to survive. Maybe
they will somehow just get an eyepatch or something, but they will still be alive.

[sparkskel]

They weren't supposed to let Carley die like that! It's terrible..She was going to be the thing to mend lee's heart after his gf cheated on him and destroyed his life.

[Dyslexsick]

only thing that could have happened if she got her cheek grazed, but then again a horde came to her unconscious body, and the party did travel by train, it seems far fetched Carley would show up with a stitch on her cheek; half a country distance away.

But if she did survive, it would just prove to the fanbase how much of a badass Carley is, or how stupid of a decision it was to eliminate her completely so soon.

[Gantros]

Technically possible, and no one examined the body in the rush to leave, but her eyes were open in a few shots, so it's, sadly, unlikely she actually survived. I would have liked for there to have been a choice between Doug/Carly or Ben.

[ItsMeArmani]

Its possible Carley is still alive but I HIGHLY doubt it. I was hurt when Carley was killed though. *ahem* Lets see....

Carley (A petite woman) was shot in the face at close range, collapsed immediately, left by the side of the road, shot out in the open in zombie infested woods. I don't know my friend.

Also it seeme like she was dead before she hit the ground so the bullet probably went through her cheek and destroyed her cerebellum and upper spinal cord. On top of all of that, its a zombie apocalypse going on and you would probably have no access to a top notch hospital.

Even if you did have access to a hospital, the drive there would....nevermind.

Rest in peace Carley.

[Abel]

Voted for impossible, would want her very much though. :(

[HNKenshiro]

I think it would work, only through a rewrite for an alternate storyline through different choice. But as it stands now, I think she's gone for good. I don't think they're gonna rewrite for both Doug and Carley.

I miss her.

[kirby18]

yea its over. even if she survived the bullet which she didnt, the zombies that (if you chose to leave lilly) eould get to her. therefore, there is zero chance besides a plot hole that carly survives that

[ForgottenKnight]

yea its over. even if she survived the bullet which she didnt, the zombies that (if you chose to leave lilly) eould get to her. therefore, there is zero chance besides a plot hole that carly survives that

Well, if the bullet didn't killed her, I think the zombies would go for Lilly, and maybe won't even notice Carley, but well, sadly I don't think we'll see her again :(

[ZombieGoBoom]

It sucks in how Carley died but the only way we'll see her again is in a flashback, Lee's dreams or after he gets a real nasty knock on the head.

[Schmetterling905th]

Think there would be some more twitching from Carley or Doug if they were shoot in the cheekbones, not ruling it out but I have no expectations of a return from either. I was mad at them for that desicion... close to quit the game entirely when I found out there is no way to rescue the one you saved in episode 1. Took some time off and finished the game later, though Telltale have a lower rating in my books from this day onwards.


Coming to think of the end of Fight club when discussing the lethality of gunshoot to the head... doubt that someone would stand after taking a shoot at such a close range despite low caliber.

[Vainamoinen]

Sorry to put this in not so careful terms, but if her/his brain hadn't been shattered all over the area, the gang would have never left her/him lying at the side of the street. They wouldn't risk that a team member turns into a zombie.

Also, if Telltale decided to let the character somehow turn up in episode 4 or 5, it would feel pretty cheap. IIRC, Kirkman has already stated that in the world of the Walking Dead, you just don't meet people twice. This is all the more true for definitely dead people.

[Peace&Love]

T'is just a scratch!

[ShadowFlux]

Sorry to put this in not so careful terms, but if her/his brain hadn't been shattered all over the area, the gang would have never left her/him lying at the side of the street. They wouldn't risk that a team member turns into a zombie.

Also, if Telltale decided to let the character somehow turn up in episode 4 or 5, it would feel pretty cheap. IIRC, Kirkman has already stated that in the world of the Walking Dead, you just don't meet people twice. This is all the more true for definitely dead people.

We need to have a chat with Merle on the TV series. ;)

...and sorry guys, Carley is gone.

[L e x]

I'm sorry but this cannot be a serious thread

[j.em26]

Sorry to put this in not so careful terms, but if her/his brain hadn't been shattered all over the area, the gang would have never left her/him lying at the side of the street. They wouldn't risk that a team member turns into a zombie.

Also, if Telltale decided to let the character somehow turn up in episode 4 or 5, it would feel pretty cheap. IIRC, Kirkman has already stated that in the world of the Walking Dead, you just don't meet people twice. This is all the more true for definitely dead people.

Again, I think we need to be clear on something.

TTG is not Robert Kirkman/Fatman, Fatman/Robert Kirkman is not TTG.

[Marleysativa]

Sorry to put this in not so careful terms, but if her/his brain hadn't been shattered all over the area, the gang would have never left her/him lying at the side of the street. They wouldn't risk that a team member turns into a zombie.

Also, if Telltale decided to let the character somehow turn up in episode 4 or 5, it would feel pretty cheap. IIRC, Kirkman has already stated that in the world of the Walking Dead, you just don't meet people twice. This is all the more true for definitely dead people.

Morgan was the only exception to that, at least that I can remember (in the comics). Also, please use your mighty bad-ass Vainamoinen powers to prevent this board from turning into a Mass Effect community outcry to have TTG change their story in anyway. :P

[magodesky]

She comes back in the last episode as Zombie Carley to eat Lee's brains.

[Sox&Rocks22]

Yeah sorry shes gotta be dead. Im sure Telltale cares about their fans and everything but I really hope they dont pull a Bioware and pander to their fans, regardless of how ridiculous their requests are. In other words I dont want a cyborg Carley to show up in Episode 4.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

That's just wishful thinking bro.

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Morgan was the only exception to that, at least that I can remember (in the comics). Also, please use your mighty bad-ass Vainamoinen powers to prevent this board from turning into a Mass Effect community outcry to have TTG change their story in anyway. :P

Well, the ending to Mass Effect was pretty sh--.

[Kiel555]

Sorry Zombieblaster, Carley is gone. Her friendship and firepower will be sorely missed.

[Vainamoinen]

Morgan was the only exception to that, at least that I can remember (in the comics). Also, please use your mighty bad-ass Vainamoinen powers to prevent this board from turning into a Mass Effect community outcry to have TTG change their story in anyway. :P

If the outcry was there, I certainly would not abuse my mighty mod powers to oppress it.

But I don't think it really is there, because most community members understand the narrative purpose. The Walking Dead series in whatever form is about killing off the people you like most when you least expect it in the most violent way possible. I don't like it, but that is the effing principle of the entire franchise. To oppose it (for any other reason than, say, finding the effort TTG put in the Ca/Do-branches lacking) would mean not liking zombie stories to begin with.

The story says: This character dies. Asking for a return of that character is a bit of a betrayal of your own feelings when you experienced the scene for the first time. If there's no finality, if the narrators don't mean "final" when they display "final", you will feel less emotional reaction in this scene. For what Telltale wanted to achieve - the grief, the anger, the shock, the moment of disbelief - this is the way it had to be done.

Mass Effect 3 had a short crappy ending (and now has a long crappy ending) in which its creators show zero understanding of basic storytelling principles and, worst of all, zero understanding of the spirit of their own creation. I can say with absolute certainty that the latter will not happen to TWD game.

[Gantros]

Being able to carry Carley/Doug through to the end is a missed opportunity for pathos. Say Lee and Carley kindle a potential romance, and in Ch 5 Lee has to choose whether to save Carley or Clem? As for Doug, the situation could be situationally similar, but the emphasis on potential romance would be removed from the equation.

[ZombieGoBoom]

If the outcry was there, I certainly would not abuse my mighty mod powers to oppress it.

But I don't think it really is there, because most community members understand the narrative purpose. The Walking Dead series in whatever form is about killing off the people you like most when you least expect it in the most violent way possible. I don't like it, but that is the effing principle of the entire franchise. To oppose it (for any other reason than, say, finding the effort TTG put in the Ca/Do-branches lacking) would mean not liking zombie stories to begin with.

The story says: This character dies. Asking for a return of that character is a bit of a betrayal of your own feelings when you experienced the scene for the first time. If there's no finality, if the narrators don't mean "final" when they display "final", you will feel less emotional reaction in this scene. For what Telltale wanted to achieve - the grief, the anger, the shock, the moment of disbelief - this is the way it had to be done.

Mass Effect 3 had a short crappy ending (and now has a long crappy ending) in which its creators show zero understanding of basic storytelling principles and, worst of all, zero understanding of the spirit of their own creation. I can say with absolute certainty that the latter will not happen to TWD game.



Yes, you brought up a lot of good points and ME3 does have a crappy ending. It felt like I lost or screwed up somewhere. Shepard dead, relays gone, fleet trapped around Earth and crew stranded somewhere else. This is victory? WTF!!? :eek:

However, this is not a TV show or a book, this is supposed to be a RPG where the player is in control and shaping the story. So when a beloved character we enjoy interacting with is suddenly taken away in a gun shot, its going to hit some of us a lot harder because we're in the middle of it and not outside looking in like reading a comic book. I just hope the writers keep that in mind and be careful when using another beloved character for the next shocking moment.

[LokiHavok]

It's not an RPG. It's an adventure game. There are differences.
It's more like interactive fiction.
You choose how the story unfolds. But there's a predetermined semi-concrete structure and narrative eventuality in which you make your choices within.

[sparkskel]

I'm sorry but this cannot be a serious thread

Don't tell me the loss of carly isnt serious!..

[LokiHavok]

It's not. Outside of the fictional narrative.
And I can't understand why so many threads have been started because of it.

[WowMutt]

I would be dissappointed if some of our favorite characters wernt killed off.. That's part of the shock value TT put into the game.

What if this were real and your wife, gf, whatever, the love of your life, your soulmate, was suddenly killed? You cant just rewind and try again!

The more shocking and distressing the better imo!

[Rhod747]

Is it just me, but I swear I saw a few 'Carley will remember that' type notifications in the top left (it could have been Ben though, or even both), so why would it say that if there is no possible way to save her?

I'm really annoyed because of this. I bought the game thinking I'd be able to make decisions that matter, instead I get to choose who gets an apple or banana. We should have had the choices and dialogue there to save Carley, one way or another.

And to those saying life is hard in a zombie apocalypse; shut up, it's a game. We play games for fun and not to be annoyed and lied to by SEEMINGLY money greedy developers.

And I've pretty much given up on this game for now. I got up to the point where you find that notepad with instructions on how to start the train, but felt no reason to go on with the terrible characters being introduced and the ones that we still have.

There's no reason that Carley can't be brought back some way. I'm not saying the devs bring her back as she survived a gunshot to the face by some miracle, I'm saying they simply add the dialogue and choices now before continuing with episode 4 (They can't really say no to it for any reason other than 'time constraints' or 'money problems', which they likely will) and include her in episode 4 and the rest. It doesn't have to be easy, but you know..

Same goes for Doug.

[Murasaki]

And I've pretty much given up on this game for now. I got up to the point where you find that notepad with instructions on how to start the train, but felt no reason to go on with the terrible characters being introduced and the ones that we still have.

There's no reason that Carley can't be brought back some way. I'm not saying the devs bring her back as she survived a gunshot to the face by some miracle, I'm saying they simply add the dialogue and choices now before continuing with episode 4 (They can't really say no to it for any reason other than 'time constraints' or 'money problems', which they likely will) and include her in episode 4 and the rest. It doesn't have to be easy, but you know..

Same goes for Doug.

Dude, I totally know how you feel. I find the whole episode depressing to the point where I lost all enthusiasm to carry on with the series. I reached the end of the episode, but I can't seem to bring myself to replay it. Unfortunately, the whole series is designed to break your sane mind, and it's a credit to TTG for creating characters that make you care this way.

I would love for Carley to somehow make a comeback. But I have to admit the chance of that is non-existent.

[L e x]

Don't tell me the loss of carly isnt serious!..

Was her death serious? Yes 100%

Is bringing her back like Dragon Ball Z a serious idea? Yes -100%

[Valik08]

I think we will know the truth only in the new episode Plaing Deed)I dupt but still hope anyway Situation remains me case with Sherlock Holmes when fans resurrected hero

[Redwizards]

Nah man.

The only thing they could do is create an addon / patch with additional sequences.

Lots of games have more content added. I think it would be easier for telltale to release supplementary content later after the pressure of releasing this game is relieved.

PS: I will totally harass telltale for additional content for this great game when said/done.

;)

[Murasaki]

Nah man.

The only thing they could do is create an addon / patch with additional sequences.

Lots of games have more content added. I think it would be easier for telltale to release supplementary content later after the pressure of releasing this game is relieved.

PS: I will totally harass telltale for additional content for this great game when said/done.

;)

Interesting idea, but it would only feel fake. :p

Still 1-up for Carley fans for the continued support.

[bazenji]

ME3's ending sucked because the game didn't care about what you did.

TWD's story is awesome because Carley (and Doug) dying is remembered by the rest of the characters and may snap back in subsequent episodes as being important. There are still two left, remember?

[Sergiy]

It would simply not be in TWD spirit.
The writer wants this scene to stay with us all throughout the game. And maybe even after that.

[ZombieGoBoom]

One thing that bugs me about that scene is that only Ben seems to check Carley. Ben, the character who I currently wouldn't even trust to put the cap back on a tube of toothpaste at this moment. If Carley's was still alive and no one bothered to make sure she was gone then Lee and the group truly deserves to be zombie bait.

[Cooperal]

Sadness is a bitch. You couldn't bring your pet dog back just because you really wanted him alive and fictional characters are no different (unless their name is Albert Wesker). Sadly enough, gamers don't seem very good at coping with any shred of loss, when infact it's arguably the next thing besides genuine fear which makes a game leave a lasting effect.

Nothing in game storytelling is better than seeing loss and fear done right. When a player doesn't land on their feet, and finds themselve sharing identical feelings to his character. Not just watching their character feel something.

You'll love yourself and the game more later for toughing through it. Much more than you'd appreciate that boring game where only the positive factors stayed permanent. Easy and exciting do not co-exist.

[WD40]

It did feel cinematic for the sudden death of Carley, but in my opinion the series wouldn't feel cheapened if she were to reappear. I mean, assume she is alive, and that she took the bullet a la Fight Club, she does know where the group is going, and is fairly competent, more so than some other characters.

Out of all of the characters (other than Lee), I could only see Carley or Kenny coming back from seemingly insurmountable odds against them. She is tough, well liked and an enjoyable character. For her to make an appearance later, say with a nice scar on the side of her face, would be unexpected and fresh in a fiction that is frequently killing characters off in whichever ways it feels like.

Now, even with the amount of people that want Carley back, how many of those people are going into Ep4 & Ep5 fully expecting this? Quite near none. I know I'm not. It would be very left field, and if handled right, could be a very good experience. For such a thing to happen it would feel like for once, you get something good to happen to you.

I understand that the fiction is intentionally dark, but in real life do crappy things constantly, and unrelentingly, with not a single good thing? Perhaps sometimes, but it would break my suspension of disbelief more if the story continued to throw more and more bad things at me, with not a single good event happening. Ep3 culminated with a large amount of deaths, and if it keeps up like this the story will be over-dark, resulting a break in my suspension of disbelief. To bring back a seemingly dead character, especially a well-liked one would be welcoming in its ability to lighten the darkness.

[laurahughes]

Patch episode 3, nuff said.

"tailored to your play style"
aka
"suck my dick faggot player"

[mz3]

are you superstitious?
there isn't any Magic in this game:)

[CrazyGamerzPC]

Yeah sorry shes gotta be dead. Im sure Telltale cares about their fans and everything but I really hope they dont pull a Bioware and pander to their fans, regardless of how ridiculous their requests are. In other words I dont want a cyborg Carley to show up in Episode 4.

What are you talking about with Bioware?

They still haven't done what most fans wanted :P

Perhaps a healed carley with a scar to the face ? I don't know, all the characters left are not really all that likable now, just Clementine. Im starting to see why theres a season 2 with a hopefully new group. Perhaps we'll see more likable characters and this time not get them killed off so quickly in the middle of the season -_-

[thestalkinghead]

what would Lee say to carley if she came back and said "oh, thanks for helping me after i was shot ass hole" ?

it was implied (just like the car with supplies) that you checked the situation before you left, if carley was alive Lee would have noticed

[CrazyGamerzPC]

what would Lee say to carley if she came back and said "oh, thanks for helping me after i was shot ass hole" ?

it was implied (just like the car with supplies) that you checked the situation before you left, if Carley was alive Lee would have noticed

Lee never examined Carley, neither did Kenny do either. Ben was the only one who crouched and looked at Carley, he didn't take her pulse no did he turn her head to examine her closer, make sure shes alive......

Still a possibility here, unlikely though, but it be awesome if telltale would realize this is a game about your choices apparently, and this would be the perfect time to see how your choices affect the death of Doug or Carley....
Yes yes, this is the "The Walking Dead", a place where no one is safe! But Im more annoyed then saddened by there death, only reliable true character close to Lee and he/she is gone >.<

Remaining characters suck *Besides Clementine & Kenny, I stuck with him for the whole time and hes not a dick to me, don't know why everyone else hates him*

[thestalkinghead]

Lee never examined Carley, neither did Kenny do either. Ben was the only one who crouched and looked at Carley, he didn't take her pulse no did he turn her head to examine her closer, make sure shes alive......


they probably saw all her brains leaking out and figured that was enough of an examination

[Hudomonkey]

I wish Doug would come back but it's not going to happen
However...
We could try some Necromancy that might work

[Zeruis]

I want Carley back as much as the next guy, but let's get something straight. She's dead. There is no way that she can just show up and be like "Hey guys!" Yeah, I just don't think that's happening.

[CrazyGamerzPC]

they probably saw all her brains leaking out and figured that was enough of an examination

Didn't see any brains leaking out anywhere in the scene playing out Carleys death, just blood leaking from the wound...
And still, They didn't examine her, Just Ben, Kenny just came over to Lilly and Lee while Ben crouched down
http://i50.tinypic.com/2m6ajq8.jpg

Don't really see the red dot the bullet entered hitting her in the forehead, mostly bottom left cheek
Though its still possible it hit the bottom part of her brain, everything right now is a bit far fenched but it still could work if TTG wanted to...

Unlikely though :(

[thestalkinghead]

Didn't see any brains leaking out anywhere in the scene playing out Carleys death, just blood leaking from the wound...
And still, They didn't examine her, Just Ben, Kenny just came over to Lilly and Lee while Ben crouched down
http://i50.tinypic.com/2m6ajq8.jpg

Don't really see the red dot the bullet entered hitting her in the forehead, mostly bottom left cheek
Though its still possible it hit the bottom part of her brain, everything right now is a bit far fenched but it still could work if TTG wanted to...

Unlikely though :(

humm, it must be something about the quality of the picture but i cant see much detail..... wait a minute, that isn't a picture, its a screenshot of a game that has a cartoonish style to it, no wonder i couldn't see her brains leaking out while she was gushing blood everywhere

[Murasaki]

Real or not, I find that image of Carley being shot depressing. It's amazing how so many of us can be attached to a fictional character. That's brilliant in itself.

Tbh, I admire the arguments for Carley still being alive. It's highly unlikely, but not totally impossible.

My position is that whilst I think she is dead, I don't think it should necessarily her final appearance. I'm still clinging on to the idea of a flashback or dream sequence. Maybe Lee starts experiencing hallucinations.

[Wrighty]

I think it's just clutching at straws bro. She was a great character and I think many of us are in denial

RIP Carley

[United 23]

I was a huge fan of Carley and was rightly shocked and angry when she was ruthlessly killed by Lilly. But those emotions imo show how effective and well-executed (quite literally) the scene was.

The only time I want to see Carley again is if at the end of ep.5 there is some sort of flashback showing all of the people who died throughout the game while Lee thinks about what he is going to do for his final choice.

[StreetsAhead24]

I was a huge fan of Carley and was rightly shocked and angry when she was ruthlessly killed by Lilly. But those emotions imo show how effective and well-executed (quite literally) the scene was.

The only time I want to see Carley again is if at the end of ep.5 there is some sort of flashback showing all of the people who died throughout the game while Lee thinks about what he is going to do for his final choice.

I agree. There's really no way of bringing her back without it being absurd and silly. But I would like better resolution with her for the next episode.

Lee and her were pretty close so I would like to have more options expressing how angry or sad he is about her demise. That's the best that Carley fans can hope for next episode.