No-one can be trusted.

[HyperShot12]

After playing the first 3 episodes, I have come to the conclusion that no-one in the group can be trusted. After playing Episode 1, I thought that Kenny would be my most loyal companion but a lot of players, including me, fell out with him during the Meat Locker scene in Episode 2. Everyone who you might be able to trust somehow dies or leaves in one way or another. Doug/Carley (whichever one you saved) was next on my list of being trusted, but they were shot down by Lilly, who then also left the group. Finally, Duck and Katjaa are gone now too and I feel like there is no-one in the group I can trust anymore. Even Clementine has been lying to me, and seems to trust the stranger on her radio more than Lee because she thinks they have their parents. The group is falling apart and when the 2 newcomers arrived at the end of Episode 3, somehow I think they will die too or betray the group in some way. Even Ben, who is basically still a kid cannot be trusted, because he was the one who supplied the bandits and caused Doug/Carley to die and Lilly to leave. What are your thoughts? Should we trust ANYONE in the group? Or can Lee manage on his own?

[Dead_Man_Walking]

Tactically, the only trustworthy one is Chuck. He has absolutely nothing to gain, and since you stumbled on him first (Via his camp in the boxcar) he probably has no motives as to harm Lee or the group. The group arrives with nothing that he can steal, or kill them for, as a matter of fact he offers what he has to you.

Unless he's working for someone (Given the situation on how you met him, I doubt it), then he's the most trustworthy one out of them all. He's like a homeless Kenny/Lily, before crap hit the fan.

If we make it out of this, I'm killing a cow and making Charles a HUGE steak dinner. :D

[cormoran]

I trust Kenny more than ever now that his family is dead, he's not exactly going to be placing their health in front of Lee or Clem now. I'm pretty certain at this point he's looking to die in a way to make up for his decision on Herschels farm too, so he will likely put himself in front of any danger.

I still trust Ben. He did what he thought was right, it was a poor decision but he won't make it again. In the end it was the only thing stopping those bandits from attacking earlier. That confrontation was going to happen eventually anyway.

Clems situation with the radio isn't really a matter of trust for me. She's a little girl, she's been pretending to talk to her parents on that radio, that guy knows enough to be able to manipulate her into not telling anyone. Much like Ben this was a bad decision but it's not one she's going to make again.

I'm not so sure about Chuck, something about him just doesn't rub me right. Omid and Christa seem fine though.

[plaqueconspiracy]

Tactically, the only trustworthy one is Chuck. He has absolutely nothing to gain, and since you stumbled on him first (Via his camp in the boxcar) he probably has no motives as to harm Lee or the group. The group arrives with nothing that he can steal, or kill them for, as a matter of fact he offers what he has to you.

Unless he's working for someone (Given the situation on how you met him, I doubt it), then he's the most trustworthy one out of them all. He's like a homeless Kenny/Lily, before crap hit the fan.

If we make it out of this, I'm killing a cow and making Charles a HUGE steak dinner. :D

Granted that he has no real motivation to kill anyone... But he has been homeless for forever and has been living all on his own since then (as far as we know). Who knows what kind of crazy he is? A psychopath doesn't need motivation.

[Razzak]

After playing the first 3 episodes, I have come to the conclusion that no-one in the group can be trusted. After playing Episode 1, I thought that Kenny would be my most loyal companion but a lot of players, including me, fell out with him during the Meat Locker scene in Episode 2. Everyone who you might be able to trust somehow dies or leaves in one way or another. Doug/Carley (whichever one you saved) was next on my list of being trusted, but they were shot down by Lilly, who then also left the group. Finally, Duck and Katjaa are gone now too and I feel like there is no-one in the group I can trust anymore. Even Clementine has been lying to me, and seems to trust the stranger on her radio more than Lee because she thinks they have their parents. The group is falling apart and when the 2 newcomers arrived at the end of Episode 3, somehow I think they will die too or betray the group in some way. Even Ben, who is basically still a kid cannot be trusted, because he was the one who supplied the bandits and caused Doug/Carley to die and Lilly to leave. What are your thoughts? Should we trust ANYONE in the group? Or can Lee manage on his own?
He Supplied the bandits because they said that they got Bens friend and coz hes stupid and young he trusted them.He wanted to back out of that deal but It was too late.

[Dead_Man_Walking]

Granted that he has no real motivation to kill anyone... But he has been homeless for forever and has been living all on his own since then (as far as we know). Who knows what kind of crazy he is? A psychopath doesn't need motivation.

That's true. To me, Chuck doesn't match that profile, though. I may be completely wrong, as he's just a character and can 180 at anytime, but Chuck could have killed everyone if he so desired. Kenny was in the lead car of the train, Lee was in the boxcar, the kids and Kat were outside... And he knew about everyone before they knew about him (He even got the drop on Lee).

The only concern I have about Chuck is the fact that he drinks. That might hold for something, down the road, but I doubt it. He could just be another "Mark" character, and dies off early (Or leaves) in the next episode. Chuck does seem to have sincere concerns, however (Giving Lee very blunt advice about Clemmy), my main reason for accepting him is that he doesn't seem to pry. So, unless he's a silent killer (If he is, I'm calling him SBD (Silent, But Deadly) from then on), he's okay in my books. For now. :D

[Awesoke]

At this point Kenny and, to an extent Clementine, are the only trustworthy individuals depending on how your previous experiences were with them. If you've been loyal to Kenny through the drug store all the way to arriving in Savannah, it's a reasonable bet to assume that Kenny has no one left except Lee and Clementine. It's still smart to be cautious around Kenny as he was left in a highly emotional and unstable state. Clementine needs to regain Lee's trust by telling him who she's been communicating with.

[plaqueconspiracy]

That's true. To me, Chuck doesn't match that profile, though. I may be completely wrong, as he's just a character and can 180 at anytime, but Chuck could have killed everyone if he so desired. Kenny was in the lead car of the train, Lee was in the boxcar, the kids and Kat were outside... And he knew about everyone before they knew about him (He even got the drop on Lee).

The only concern I have about Chuck is the fact that he drinks. That might hold for something, down the road, but I doubt it. He could just be another "Mark" character, and dies off early (Or leaves) in the next episode. Chuck does seem to have sincere concerns, however (Giving Lee very blunt advice about Clemmy), my main reason for accepting him is that he doesn't seem to pry. So, unless he's a silent killer (If he is, I'm calling him SBD (Silent, But Deadly) from then on), he's okay in my books. For now. :D

Yeah, he seems like the kind of classic friendly hobo guy that will never do any harm... But that seems too obvious and simple to me! He is old, wise, and blunt. Best case scenario I think he will leave the group and go his own way to find whatever it is he's looking for. Maybe he just wants to travel further on the railroads not knowing where to go. I bet you he will somehow save Lee's life one time before either leaving or play some kind of sick game that he has come up with on his life on the road with the group, destroying it from inside out. Some schizophrenia OCD psycho game. Maybe roll a dice to decide who gets to live or something like that.

...OR he may very well be that kind old classic hobo guy.

[Bearcules]

After playing the first 3 episodes, I have come to the conclusion that no-one in the group can be trusted. After playing Episode 1, I thought that Kenny would be my most loyal companion but a lot of players, including me, fell out with him during the Meat Locker scene in Episode 2. Everyone who you might be able to trust somehow dies or leaves in one way or another. Doug/Carley (whichever one you saved) was next on my list of being trusted, but they were shot down by Lilly, who then also left the group. Finally, Duck and Katjaa are gone now too and I feel like there is no-one in the group I can trust anymore. Even Clementine has been lying to me, and seems to trust the stranger on her radio more than Lee because she thinks they have their parents. The group is falling apart and when the 2 newcomers arrived at the end of Episode 3, somehow I think they will die too or betray the group in some way. Even Ben, who is basically still a kid cannot be trusted, because he was the one who supplied the bandits and caused Doug/Carley to die and Lilly to leave. What are your thoughts? Should we trust ANYONE in the group? Or can Lee manage on his own?

That's what drives TWD. The big danger comes from the living.

[Dead_Man_Walking]

...OR he may very well be that kind old classic hobo guy.

Or... He'll offer me some moldy cheese after an eighty day trip around the globe, in an alleyway somewhere, before he teaches me how to beg for money. :D I like that option. I do have a feeling some guy is going to punch me in the face, when I try, though. :/

[plaqueconspiracy]

Or... He'll offer me some moldy cheese after an eighty day trip around the globe, in an alleyway somewhere, before he teaches me how to beg for money. :D I like that option. I do have a feeling some guy is going to punch me in the face, when I try, though. :/

10 days in to the trip.

"Hey there, Lee. I know you hungry and I got some candy for you right here, bud... Just reach up on this here pocket...."

And then the rest of the trip will be really awkward for the both of them.

[CLoudss21]

The only I trust now is Chuck... Or no-one can be trusted, i feel that Chuck is terry St.john?

[Dead_Man_Walking]

10 days in to the trip.

"Hey there, Lee. I know you hungry and I got some candy for you right here, bud... Just reach up on this here pocket...."

And then the rest of the trip will be really awkward for the both of them.

Just wanted to make the reference easier to see. :P

Awkward? What if one of them likes it? :D Or both? Then it would be awkward for the players. :O

[skepticalguy90]

Tactically, the only trustworthy one is Chuck. He has absolutely nothing to gain, and since you stumbled on him first (Via his camp in the boxcar) he probably has no motives as to harm Lee or the group. The group arrives with nothing that he can steal, or kill them for, as a matter of fact he offers what he has to you.

Unless he's working for someone (Given the situation on how you met him, I doubt it), then he's the most trustworthy one out of them all. He's like a homeless Kenny/Lily, before crap hit the fan.

If we make it out of this, I'm killing a cow and making Charles a HUGE steak dinner. :D

You have no idea what the guy's motives are. Hell, he could be waiting for you to fall asleep so that he can try to slit your throat and take your gun. Just because he doesn't have an obvious motive, doesn't mean that he is trustworthy.

[Dead_Man_Walking]

You have no idea what the guy's motives are. Hell, he could be waiting for you to fall asleep so that he can try to slit your throat and take your gun. Just because he doesn't have an obvious motive, doesn't mean that he is trustworthy.

That's always true, as I stated, he is just a character that can be manipulated to do what TTG wants him to do. He could turn out to be bat-shit crazy, for all we know. He could turn out to be our best friend, too. I made my statement off of what we've seen, so far. Or rather, what we were allowed to see.

For all we know, that Walker in the car (At the front of the train) could have been his last victim. Maybe he just snapped the seat belt around him to make it look like an accident. Only time will tell. :D

[thestalkinghead]

You have no idea what the guy's motives are. Hell, he could be waiting for you to fall asleep so that he can try to slit your throat and take your gun. Just because he doesn't have an obvious motive, doesn't mean that he is trustworthy.

he could have been the one that cut the page from the engine start up instructions, he memorised the map, so he must have had his own plans for the train, he could just be happy that there is some fresh meat on the journey and he doesn't want the freshest meat (Clementine) to get spoiled by zombies, but who knows?

[Dead_Man_Walking]

On that note, we don't see him when we get the radio communication with Creep-o, either. Maybe that's Chuck, just masking his voice, and Creep-o was just a random character we meet, that tries to protect us from Chuck. :D

[LadyJ]

I actually thought that maybe Chuck was the voice behind the radio too. It's more plausible with the distance that it was him rather than a stranger that had been following. This could also explain how the walkie is inexplicably fixed and working again. I think that the view of Clem talking on it in the hotel might have been a red herring and she was just imaginary talking....but Chuck shows up with all this advice for her and the walkie works?

[Hudomonkey]

I still trust Clem she may be being manipulated by the voice but she still cares for lee and wouldn't betray lee as long as she knows that we will help her parents...
Eventually

[Cyreen]

After playing the first 3 episodes, I have come to the conclusion that no-one in the group can be trusted.

You do realize that some of the remaining characters no doubt feel the same way about Lee, particularly if Lilly's outing him was the first they'd heard of his past.

[United 23]

The only two I trust is Chuck and Clem. Clem's only a little eight year old girl. She hasn't seen her parents in God knows how long so of course when some guy tells her that they are ok she is going to listen to him and do as he says if it means seeing her parents again.

[Kiel555]

I'll tell you what..when Christa asked if the rest of the group could be trusted, I looked at what was left of the "group" from the overpass. Kenny - Hated and left me to die multiple times, Ben - a traitor and Chuck - just met. That was the first time I think I ever selected "..." as Lee's response. Poor Clem had to vouch for the rest of the group.

[dee23]

After playing the first 3 episodes, I have come to the conclusion that no-one in the group can be trusted. After playing Episode 1, I thought that Kenny would be my most loyal companion but a lot of players, including me, fell out with him during the Meat Locker scene in Episode 2. Everyone who you might be able to trust somehow dies or leaves in one way or another. Doug/Carley (whichever one you saved) was next on my list of being trusted, but they were shot down by Lilly, who then also left the group. Finally, Duck and Katjaa are gone now too and I feel like there is no-one in the group I can trust anymore. Even Clementine has been lying to me, and seems to trust the stranger on her radio more than Lee because she thinks they have their parents. The group is falling apart and when the 2 newcomers arrived at the end of Episode 3, somehow I think they will die too or betray the group in some way. Even Ben, who is basically still a kid cannot be trusted, because he was the one who supplied the bandits and caused Doug/Carley to die and Lilly to leave. What are your thoughts? Should we trust ANYONE in the group? Or can Lee manage on his own?
How I have looked at it is trust is earned. I trust every character that has done right by Lee and Clementine and has saved Lee up until the point that changes. Kenny saved me once in episode 1 even though it was scripted that he had to as there was no one else in the room, I trusted him up until he hid when Danny was pointing his gun at Lee. From then on I have been weary of Kenny. Clementine was the first of the characters to save Lee's life when he was attacked by her baby sitter. I thought it strange that she did not tell Lee about the radio but I think that is more of a game writers choice than it is a dark side to her personality so I don't hold that against her. She is generally innocent and honest. I don't trust Ben because he will do whatever it takes to save his own skin and hasn't done anything for Lee or Clementine yet to prove his value to the group. Chuck seems decent and has been honest and upfront. Omid has already saved Lee in his short time in the game so I don't see him as a threat but his partner seems to hide secrets and may become dishonest.

[dee23]

I trust Kenny more than ever now that his family is dead, he's not exactly going to be placing their health in front of Lee or Clem now. I'm pretty certain at this point he's looking to die in a way to make up for his decision on Herschels farm too, so he will likely put himself in front of any danger.

I still trust Ben. He did what he thought was right, it was a poor decision but he won't make it again. In the end it was the only thing stopping those bandits from attacking earlier. That confrontation was going to happen eventually anyway.

Clems situation with the radio isn't really a matter of trust for me. She's a little girl, she's been pretending to talk to her parents on that radio, that guy knows enough to be able to manipulate her into not telling anyone. Much like Ben this was a bad decision but it's not one she's going to make again.

I'm not so sure about Chuck, something about him just doesn't rub me right. Omid and Christa seem fine though.
Ben's crime was not that he was secretly giving the bandits food, it was the fact that he let Carly die for him and was even willing to watch you die when you tell Lilly it was you who took the food. Yes he was afraid but I don't except that as an excuse. He lacks integrity. The only reason he later admits to Lee that it was him is because of guilt. He offered to leave the group to get out of the RV, had he have admitted to stealing the food Lilly would not have wasted a bullet on him, she would have kicked him out of the RV and left him to the walkers, giving the group chance to persuade her to give him another chance. Carly death was unnecessary, she died sticking up for him, the guy who was willing to let both Carly and Lee die to prove his innocence when he was actually lying. If Ben survives by the end of chapter 5 I will be outraged. Mark would have been a much better group member than Ben. Ben should have died on the farm instead of Mark.

[dee23]

That's true. To me, Chuck doesn't match that profile, though. I may be completely wrong, as he's just a character and can 180 at anytime, but Chuck could have killed everyone if he so desired. Kenny was in the lead car of the train, Lee was in the boxcar, the kids and Kat were outside... And he knew about everyone before they knew about him (He even got the drop on Lee).

The only concern I have about Chuck is the fact that he drinks. That might hold for something, down the road, but I doubt it. He could just be another "Mark" character, and dies off early (Or leaves) in the next episode. Chuck does seem to have sincere concerns, however (Giving Lee very blunt advice about Clemmy), my main reason for accepting him is that he doesn't seem to pry. So, unless he's a silent killer (If he is, I'm calling him SBD (Silent, But Deadly) from then on), he's okay in my books. For now. :D
Chuck didn't have any weapons. Lee had a handgun and a metal bar spike, Kat had a hand gun and is in a larger group, Kenny also has a gun. I don't think Chuck is a threat but he could not have done anything to Lee or the rest of the group if he wanted to. He was hiding from them until he realised they were safe.

[Rock114]

Chuck has candy. He has earned my trust.

[Viser]

Chuck has candy. He has earned my trust.

Agreed. ALL PRAISE THE CANDYMAN.

[Master of Aeons]

The Candy Man can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good!

[Rock114]

The Candy Man can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good!

Dont forget that it's free. Can't beat free candy.

[Cyreen]

Any funny aftertaste?

[Viner16]

I didn't trust Chuck's candy when I first heard of it, but Imma give him a chance...

[Phantom Command]

The only two I trust is Chuck and Clem. Clem's only a little eight year old girl. She hasn't seen her parents in God knows how long so of course when some guy tells her that they are ok she is going to listen to him and do as he says if it means seeing her parents again.

I'll tell you what..when Christa asked if the rest of the group could be trusted, I looked at what was left of the "group" from the overpass. Kenny - Hated and left me to die multiple times, Ben - a traitor and Chuck - just met. That was the first time I think I ever selected "..." as Lee's response. Poor Clem had to vouch for the rest of the group.

Christa was the one that truly opened my eyes too to the groups motives and convictions and how no one can be 100% trusted.

Kenny has left my behind to fend for itself on one too many occasions and Ben has made some major mistakes cosing the life's/departure of some of the more trustworthy characters.

I still trust Clem as a child dose not have the capacity to knowingly betray someone, Chuck is my Yoda and I'll trust him untill he gives me a reason not too and Christa seems like a strong independant woman which is what Clem needs given the groups current dynamics.

[Xarne]

That's what drives TWD. The big danger comes from the living.

This and also; what happens to the human nature.The further it's removed from a 'civilized society' the closer we resemble animals. Trust seems like the first casualty of the ZA, imo.
But what's more interesting than the story itself is the reactions/thoughts from the players

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Due to the masses of guilt surging through Bens mind I believe I can trust him to make rational, but naive, choices.

[cormoran]

Ben's crime was not that he was secretly giving the bandits food, it was the fact that he let Carly die for him and was even willing to watch you die when you tell Lilly it was you who took the food. Yes he was afraid but I don't except that as an excuse. He lacks integrity. The only reason he later admits to Lee that it was him is because of guilt. He offered to leave the group to get out of the RV, had he have admitted to stealing the food Lilly would not have wasted a bullet on him, she would have kicked him out of the RV and left him to the walkers, giving the group chance to persuade her to give him another chance. Carly death was unnecessary, she died sticking up for him, the guy who was willing to let both Carly and Lee die to prove his innocence when he was actually lying. If Ben survives by the end of chapter 5 I will be outraged. Mark would have been a much better group member than Ben. Ben should have died on the farm instead of Mark.

I don't believe you, sorry. Lilly would have blown his brains out right in the RV in front of everyone. That psycho was itching to kill ANYTHING. No, Carly wasn't killed for defending Ben, she was killed because she called Lilly bad names.

People make mistakes, but they don't learn from them when you shoot them in the head for it.

[RoboSheriff]

uhh you guys want some candy

[jaybreezy]

Kenny has never done anything in my playthrough to lose my trust so he's my go to guy if needed.

[Xarne]

Ben should have died on the farm instead of Mark.

Thats a nice what if, and it would have made a lot of people happier I think.
Mark was more mature, came bearing gifts and just generally seemed to have a good head on his shoulders.

Poor Mark...well, on the plus side my typing speed has skyrocketed in my rabid hatred of Ben. I think I'm ready for a career in stenography now

[Cyreen]

Mark would have been a much better group member than Ben. Ben should have died on the farm instead of Mark.

That just means that Mark would have been around long enough to find his fatal flaws and you'd be here wondering why we couldn't have saved Ben, that poor innocent kid that got eaten by cannibals.

[Xarne]

That just means that Mark would have been around long enough to find his fatal flaws and you'd be here wondering why we couldn't have saved Ben, that poor innocent kid that got eaten by cannibals.

Objection, your honor! That's speculation!

[Master of Aeons]

Everything's speculation. This whole forum's speculation.

[Xarne]

Everything's speculation. This whole forum's speculation.

LOL, are you quoting "...And Justice for All"? Im sure thats going to go over the head of the majority in here, but bravo

[Master of Aeons]

Actually, I was thinking of A Few Good Men, but yours is better.

[Xarne]

"You cant handle the speculation!"

[Cyreen]

"You cant handle the speculation!"

You're the one who was objecting!

[Master of Aeons]

"He's badgering the witness!"
"It's his witness."

[Xarne]

I'm overruling myself!

[Cyreen]

You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order!

[Xarne]

You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order!

We went there already. Court is dismissed!

[Cyreen]

Mistrial.

Seriously, had Ben been the one BBQ'd, it's a fair bet that Mark would have been as equally flawed as the rest of the characters. Personally, I thought he was bit of a bootlicker.

[Xarne]

Mistrial.

Seriously, had Ben been the one BBQ'd, it's a fair bet that Mark would have been as equally flawed as the rest of the characters. Personally, I thought he was bit of a bootlicker.

Well he couldnt keep a secret for shit (hear that, Ben?) and he was bursting to tell the St Johns anything they wanted to know. I could handle the flaw that I did see...we'll never know. Anyone up for some BBQ?

[Master of Aeons]

You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order!

YOU'RE TEARING me APART, COURTROOM!